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YOU REALLY ADDED PERCENTAGE IN THE BATTLE RESULT TO AMPLIFY KATSURORI'S DEFEAT IN THE AUDIENCE. I LIKE HISTORY, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO TELL IT IN THE WAY THAT BRING BIAS. IT'S BETTER IF HISTORY WAS TOLD IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER WITHOUT TRYING TO GLORIFY ONE SIDE.
@@reynango9645 I'M GOING TO MAKE A POINT BY PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS BUT IN REALITY MAKE MYSELF LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT BY NOT PRESENTING IT AS A FORMAL COMMENT. Grow up, honestly. Caps don't make you more convincing, just look like an idiot.
To be fair, it was Shingen's fault. Had he not killed his elder son ,(and heir)Yoshinobu, the Takeda would have lasted longer. It was him who appointed Katsuyori as his succesor which makes him the main responsible of his own clan's downfall.
@@Akkise As for Yoshinobu well he did rebel against his own father Shingen so when the plot got discovered it was obvious that betrayal should meet with death even if it's his own son, but after that he should've appointed his younger brother Takeda Nobukado as his successor untill Katsuyori's son Nobukatsu came of age.
This battle is proof positive why the Oda-Tokugawa Alliance was so important in turning the course of the Sengoku-Jidai. In a time when basically nobody trusts ANYBODY anymore, having just ONE ally that you know will always have your back can give you a gigantic advantage over everyone else.
@@HistoryMarche I think Kieran might be right :D Since Takeda's main goal was to march on Kyoto, Takeda would be more like an obstacle, and Uesugi at his flank would be more like a thorn to the side, a very very big thorn...
Not really, Kenshin was more than happy to let Shingen rampage south so long as his northern territories would be safe. He was more concerned about the Hojo clan and sought to destroy them. He was the Kanto Kanrei, after all.
At Nagashino not only did Takeda Katsuyori lose 67% of his army but also 50% of his officer corp, which included dozens of his top samurai commanders. Though he managed to retreat back to Kai and Shinano Provinces, he would spend the next seven years fighting on the defensive. Steadily his allies deserted or turned on him, giving the opening in 1582 for Oda and Tokugawa to deal the finishing blow. Takeda committed suicide at Toriibata with only 300 soldiers remaining by his side. Historical studies of the Battle of Nagashino have frequently overplayed the contribution of the arquebus to its outcome. That the battle lasted eight hours suggests other weapons such as the bow, sword and spear would have played their part in the Oda-Tokugawa victory. Nevertheless it's certain that the arquebus was crucial to the outcome of the battle, especially when it came to dealing a crushing blow on a force that still employed traditional methods of warfare.
One thing that this video fail to mention is that Oda invented a tactic called three line shooting, that is, instead of ordering all arquebusiers to shoot together, he placed them in three lines, while the front line was shooting, the second and third line was re-loading. That could prevent some over kills, hence if shooting together, many bullets would have felt on the enemies that were already dead or heavily wounded, but if you apply the 3 line shooting, your bullets will always fall on a fresh enemy body. and that gives enemy a bigger blow to their moral because the shooting is never gonna end, while boost moral to his own troops, because when the first line soldier finish the shoot, they know that another covering volley soon will be shot by their allies behind them, thus provide them with more certainty and tranquility to reload fast, if not, the soldiers would be under fear of the closing enemy and drop the bullets by mistake. If you saw the forest fight in the movie The Last Samurai you will know what I am talking about, its a completly opposite version of Nagashino battle ruclips.net/video/ie3V3gn-tCk/видео.html
@@marcoswang5034 Yeah morale and timing played just as big a part as positioning. Another thing is, it played out in Tokugawa/Oda's favor here, but a lot of the time conscripts with guns were often just mowed down by cavalry. Cavalry was still effective, but Takeda used it wrong here, they were already out-maneuvered and should have retreated.
Katsuyori attacked a numerically superior enemy entrenched in defense, while throwing away his own advantage which was the mobility of cavalry, and worse yet committed his cavalry on frontal charges from the start..... I think the only logical explanation for these series of total war A.I. level of mistakes, is that he is suffering from a lot of internal dissensions and infighting, and his plans are a dysfunctional combination from his different factions...
I was thinking something similar. The wise choice was probably to retreat without a battle but he failed every other objective so far. Failing to capture a weak castle with no supplies would've been a huge blow to his reputation. As a result, he probably decided to fight to preserve that reputation. As for his tactics, I've got no explanation for the idiocy of those moves.
i was thinking he was just not a very good general. his bloodline gave him a title and very capable retainers, but he was no where near as good a leader and general as his father.
As you said retreating without a fight will make him (Katsuyori) an object of ridicule and greatly lowered his reputation, making his susceptible to his political opponent at home, besides the takeda just won a fight against the tokugawa that also use firearm before this battle, so the entire takeda generals must have felt overconfidence and reached the consensual decision to go on the offensive straight away while their morale is at its peak. For us that already know how the battle went on their decision may seems foolish, but from the perspective of the takeda army at that time going on the offensive was the most logical decision, while retreating or opting for the siege is the foolish decision
@@agathonchristianto9580 I guess faking a retreat would have been a good solution. If Oda and Tokugawa had pursued, leaving their good positions, Takeda might have won.
Katsuyori actually was a competent commander, of course nowhere near as competent as his father, but he was still good. A lot of his younger retainers supported the head on charge while the older retainers spoke against it. Unfortunately for the Takeda he ended up listening to th younger retainers
Takeda Katsuyori: Noooo, you can't just hide behind wooden stockades in an honorable field battle between daimyos. Oda Nobunaga: Hahaha. Muskets go go pew pew...
alternatively: Takeda Katsuyori's general staff: Nooo, you can't just charge across a river at entrenched arquebusiers!!! Takeda Katsuyori: Haha cavalry go brrrrrrrrrrrr
Most of my favorite samurai were from the Takeda clan and its sad to see almost all of them died in Nagashino. One was Nobuharu Baba and while some say he led the rear guard he was known as "the Demon Baba" for his skill and not getting wounded in all 21 of his battles except in Nagashino
@@austinhornbeck5060 yeah their hunger for honour and glory gets the better of them but for once I wished to see a battle between Dosetsu OG Tachibana and Shingen Takeda. The man's a beast for he was struck by lightning as a child survived but what's better is that he never lost a battle in his life
In all fairness, snipers weren’t really a thing in that period. Guns, bows and the like probably had more in common with artillery then how we traditionally associated with modern firearms. E.g units were targeted rather then individuals. Dressing up and advertising was fairly safe compared t
Oda Nobunaga is famous for his stunning victory at Okehazama against the Imagawa Clan. However, I think the victory at Nagashino was his greatest tactical victory alongside the Tokugawa Clan. A samurai, an elite wealthy warrior with decades of training could be brought down by a peasant with 40-50 hours of arquebus training and drill. It is difficult to overstate what a momentous shift this created. Nobunaga had no qualms about breaking with tradition and using innovative new methods to achieve total victory. Truly he is one of history's great military visionaries. It would have been fascinating to see how Shingen would have approached the battle at Nagashino. Fantastic video by the way! Top notch content!
This victory actually made his ego become larger. 2 years later he marched against Kenshin, who in turn whipped Nobunaga's ass at Tedorigawa. Nobunaga became so concerned that he was willing to cede entire North to Kenshin. But once again Lady Luck intervened for Oda. Kenshin drank himself to death in 1578.
@@rahulr5678 Nobunaga wasn't the greatest tactician but he was good, His greatness was as a leader n risk taker. Tho I'm unsure what happened to him that he became so bloodthirsty n hatful towards his subordinates.
@@khal7702 Probably just natural paranoia from years of making enemies. After all, in the end, he was assassinated. But yes, that is one of Nobunaga's biggest talents. Though, I can't say balls of steel alone are what made him succeed. Plenty of people before him had the guts to do extremely risky moves. The difference is, it worked out for Nobunaga, and so one could argue it was either pure luck and nothing else or he genuinely did come up with a combination of amazingly good strategies that were also very ballsy. A ballsy strategy in itself doesn't ensure a win or even make you a good commander. He knew when to take those risks, and when not to. That's a hard feat, harder than it seems. So he knew when to exercise restrain just as much.
Pretty sure he became paranoid since Nagamasa's betrayal that almost cost him everything, but from what i remember Katsuyori's tactic is just rushing the enemy who has set up a blockade while looking back at Shingen's victory at Mikatagahara he completely wrecked the Tokugawa with pincer attack. Pretty sure the outcome would've been completely different if Shingen was in command.
@@gravelle7774 Shingen prob wouldn't even choose to fight there, the valley was narrow and bad for the cavalry, and they are outnumbered. Problem with Katsuyori is that he really wanted to prove himself to his subordinates that he was a worthy successor, however if he had listen to his father's veteran instead of dumb hot headed glory seeking youngsters things would've play differently.
A young, aggressive cavalry officer has his uses but as an officer not the commander of the entire army. I could get used to these frequent uploads, keep them coming.
19:06 Sad tone: "Surrounded by all sides and abandoned by his allies, Katsuyori committed seppuku, together with all his remaining family members..." 19:16 Abrupt happy tone: "THANKS TO OUR FRIEND HOC EST BELLUM-" This was dark but hilarious
Torii Sune'emon. Risked his life to bring reinforcements to the castle and thus for his comrades. Then risked his life to go back and help out them until help arrives. When he was captured he pulled out a suicide task to inform his comrades that they just need to hold out a little longer. He was a hero, nothing less. History will remember this badass for a long time.
Katsuyori lacked military strategy and thought courage and ferocity would win the day. He gave up a high position in the hills. Also he should've seen his position against the castle was no longer feasible once his enemy showed up. He then should've abandoned the attack and left with his bruised ego but his entire army. With that he could've waged a better suited battle against his enemy in a more suitable location.
Didn't Katsuyori had to charge Oda's palisade because it blocked his only route home? That said, you think he should cut loss and abandon the siege the moment a scout came in with a report that Oda relieve force is on the way? Run away before Oda force could setup the barricade I mean.
@@linja5770 Yep, that's exactly my point. If I were a general, I'd always look for ways to win, not to be "fair". That's why Hannibal is my favorite general, he was like: "Fuck fair, I'll just trick them".
Imagine being a Tokugawa or Nabunaga soldier in this battle or someone trapped in the castle. The loyalty you'd feel to your leader after this would be out of this world. I'd feel like I was on the right side of any conflict.
Yeah it's not exactly like they care about your wellbeing just because. These dudes were mostly conscripted peasants fighting for other men's family glory
@@NoNoseProduction Dont underestimate my levels of fat assery lolol, but seriously I must have missed that part, was under the impression that it was longer
@@notsoprogaming9789 That's because you're not japanese. Even the peasants would give their life away for their lords. Look at battle of Hakodate (last shogunate battle). Even women and child fight to their last breath defending their last fortress.
@@lucianogardelli10 Well, historically red was their color. Not sure what History Marche is thinking when they did this. Pretty annoying to be honest. imgur.com/a/KDcbRfn
@@forexjammer Well, it actually wasn't, the Samurai and Ashigaru were dressed up in a variety of colors, for eg in one of the main sources i've used the Takeda banners were depicted as being blue. One good example is Tokugawa's Red devils. I am also accustomed with Shogun 2 themes but in this case i just chose a different color to what was already set for the Tokugawa clan from the previous video, "Sekigahara". Even in the picture that you posted, some Takeda banners are blue, well in-fact cyan. There are NUMEROUS depictions of the Takeda with a variety of colors. Red, white, blue, etc etc. And as i said, colors were not common according to the clan that you belonged, contrary to what Shogun 2 would let you believe, :).
Those maps are probably the best maps that I have seen in such kind of videos. I also noticed the 3d buildings which I have never seen before in similar videos. Wonderful job.
a bit of sloppy research at first. 20-30 years ago there was a theory that Shingen was killed at the siege of Noda castle but recent research shows many letters by Takeda retainers alluding to Shingen being sick and thus recent discussions of his death always assume he died of illness. Also the pitched battle that Shingen won vs Ieyasu (Mikatagahara) was a serious butt whipping. That said, Katsuyori was an idiot.
What are the odds. I'm actually playing a Shogun 2 campaign right now with my friend. He is Oda and I'm Tokugawa. WTF!!!! I love it!! Thank you universe and HistoryMarche.
T. Katsuyori had no tactics whatsoever, he only relied on a cavalry charge and did not even put into consideration that he was heavily outnumbered. In this battle, his pride and bravery was useless since no brain was backing it.
Exactly. Sun Tzu would be disappointed. Charging head on, into a heavily fortified position with weapons that's designed against your main strength, while being numerically inferior is a recipe for death. He should have continued to siege the castle while remaining in place and build his own defenses/fortifications to lure the enemy out of their own defensive position. After all, the entire point was to relieve the castle so Katsuyori had the strategic edge.
Another great video, and one of my favorite battles as a historian of the Sengoku Jidai. This is a nice standard telling of the battle. I like how you brought in the Sadamasa story which is important for the story of this battle. If you want a more nuanced take on this I recommend checking out Samurai Archives podcast, History of Japan podcast, and Sengoku Daimyo podcast. The latter of which is on youtube. Many modern historians question the validity of the cavalry charge that was especially dramatized by Akira Kurosawa's masterpiece Kagemusha. And kept propping up by the Military Revolution Theory which is questionable at best. A more modern telling is that the guns didn't win the Oda-Tokugawa Alliance the battle. It was the Oda Ashigaru long spears, and the fact that the Oda-Tokugawa outnumbered the Takeda forces.
What makes you think the Arquebus didn't play a larger role? It's effective range may have been lower than that of it's succesors, but Oda's men only started shooting after the Takeda forces were almost in contact. The bullets would have killed horses and pierced the Tosei-Gusoku of the horsemen. That is a massive advantage when combined with the palisades. The battle of course lasted 8 hours, so the Yari spearmen of course played a mayor role defending the gaps between the palisades. However, I believe it was the combination of these two factors, and not just one of them, which enabled the Oda-Tokugawa alliance to win the day.
@@gabzdark07 There is a variety of reasons. If rotational fire was so devastating then everyone in Japan would use it. Also, training a couple of thousand to fire in volley fire on that plain with only a few months of training would be near impossible given the time. Samurai armies were drafted by their local lords and were not organized in like military video games by type. They were levied by their lord and organized that way. Look at any of the battle art from the period and you will see this even the ones depicting Nagashino. Also the battle was not just straight eight hours of fighting in the sources on both sides reserves were rotated in and out for that eight hour long fight. What allowed the Tokugawa-Oda forces to win was one numbers. And two the Takeda were fighting aggressively with their limited forces. This aggressive fighting was only aided by the fact that most of the skilled Takeda generals and commanders were killed in the battle. This is probably the best thing that trained arquebuses did in the battle. Accurately sniped the commanders.
Haha! Its only me that should be blamed for the sudden change of tone! My good friend Mago, tries to fit the promo for my channel in the video, so its never easy.
Glad you guys are covering the battle of the sengoku jehdai one of my favorite time periods interesting characters intrigue massive battles everything you need to have a great story
Sounds like the Japanese Agincourt - a famous cavalry force destroyed by ranged infantry weapons from behind stakes and a muddy field. Awesome video! The Sengoku Jidai is fascinating
I congratulate you guys, I've really liked this video. Not only cause it's well documented (as far I know) but most importantly: I appreciate that you provided a nuanced portrayal of the battle, looking at the context and paying attention to detail, and the factors that let to it's final outcome. Other videos or documentaries simplify this battle to an extreme, reducing the long struggle between Takeda and Oda forces to a couple thousand cavalrymen being slaughtered by modern firearms making the Takeda seem stupid or out of touch. Here you can appreciate how well Nobunaga played his cards to defeat a powerful foe (a bit of context on how the Takeda defeated a similar army 2 years before would have been perfect to provide more perspective). Keep it up guys 👍🏻
The Takeda generals must've followed their young lord out of respect for his late father, but they surely knew the battle should never have been fought under those conditions
Loved it! As a westerner, any way you could make an intro to the sengoku jidai period? I know very little about the samurai warfare, clans, shogunate and way of life during this period and would have liked an intro (and a playlist so I can rewatch all your Japanese vids afterwards). I know whatever I read or watch, your way of teaching is superior
Thank you very much! Make sure to check out Hoc Est Bellum channel ruclips.net/channel/UCl5m12RUvypT4e7w-mWrzsA he did the lion's share of the work here.
I believe this battle was in Akira Kourasawa's movie Kagemousa. I know I am spelling all these names wrong.About a clan leader who dies and to keep his incompetent son from taking over they install a look alike to still make him believe his father is still alive.When the son does takes over he leads a disasterous attack on a rival where he sends one calvary charge after another into the exact same scenario as this real battle. and gets his army wiped out.Did not realize this movie was based on a true story but someone correct me if I am wrong.
The only problem i see in this history is that the tale of the samurai sneaking trough the night, calling reinforcements and then coming back to scream at the wall, have a EXACT same version on the Roman history of Caesar gallic Conquests, tough i dont remember exactly in wich battle.
1. 2:1 2. Attacking a fortified position 3. No scouting on flanks 4. No flanking what so ever with cavalry 5. The worst terrain for a terrain dependent army 6. Leaving a fortification behind your lines. What the hell was Katsuyori thinking?
This has got to be one of the dumbest battles not just in Japanese but in military history. A primarliy cavalry force, that is heavily outnumbered, chooses to charge across a river, over rough terrain and against a fortified enemy with a lot of long range firepower. Well I can see where the "genius" of the WW2 Banzai charge came from
Ah... Nagashino. My favorite battle of the sengoku jidai. It was the battle the revolutionized Japan's warring style. Bringing out the first tears of the cavalry and bringing gunpowder to conflict. And also it had the underdog feel like the battle of Okehazama. Nobody thought they'd win, but then pow! Nobunaga swipes the rug from under their feet.
The battle of Nagashino is one of the most important battles in the Sengoku Jidai and Japanese history as a whole. It didn't just break the power of the once mightiest clan of eastern Japan, and one of the strongest in in the entire country, the Takeda which made them suffer very heavy casualties (12,000 Casualties), including many of thier top generals. And wasn't just an important victory for the Oda-Tokugawa alliance, but it also revolutionised Samurai warfare, with the new and extremely effective startegy of the wide use of massive quantities of soldiers armed with matchlocks and arquebus positioned behind wooden palisades, turned out to be an extremely effective tactic, that changed Samurai warfare for the rest of its existence.
Great work, i must say i am very interested in the Japanese period of this time and i find that not many channels offer this kind of information to study, i think more info on this period and the battles should ne offered just some advice but i do enjoy all your work
I've played Samurai Warriors the video game many times. So I've known about this battle and a little about it. But not what led to it or what happened afterwards. I wonder what Shingen would've said about his son's major defeat. And I also wonder if Shingen himself could've truly prevented it. I suspect that the answer is yes.
Public broadcast NHK aired one of a latest study about guns at the day of battle of Nagashino. Oda: about 3,000 guns with 900,000 bullets. Takeda: about 1,000 guns with 50,000 bullets(they lost many bullets by pre battles). NHK said the Takeda firstly launched gun fight then after run out of ammo, cavalry charged. Metal analysis of bullets dug from the ruin proved the lead was from lead main within 3km from Nagashino castle. This proposes new hypothesis that Takeda wanted to lead main so advanced to Nagashino castle. At that time, the importance of lead mine for bullets was common view of war loads.
a nice video and explanation of the battle.....its one of the great best battles of the early firearms where they used the rotating volley system to get the most out of the early firearms and their long reload time ...if you like this period of history checkout that great movie "kagemusha" in which the battle is shown near the end :)
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I guess since retreating without taking anything wasnt an option (fearing of loss of reputation) and that Katsuyori choose to fight the Oda-Tokugawa forces, his only real chance would have been marching against their forces the moment he learns about them coming towards the castle. Before the gunners and the palisades gets deployed he would have a much better chance to utilize his cavalry perhaps in a surprise attack.
Oh, they have arquebouisers with a Cheval de frise setup, and is perfectly entrenched behind a river. And they outnumber us as well. Yeah lets make some suicidal charges upfront. 😂
Oda Nobunaga was not a samurai so he didn't uphold the code of conduct that samurai typically had like fighting a war honorably (sorry for the bad English, it is not my first language)
His father Tekeda Shingen would have won this battle and saw all the cracks that would led to Takeda defeat. Might never even commit to this battle & retreat
@Alvi Syahri Should've pulled a Kenshin and just attacked to inflict attrition instead of fully commiting. Then again Shingen would've been smart enough to go around the palisades.
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The Sengoku Jidai: the weak overcoming the strong. LETS FUCKING GOOOOO!!!
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YOU REALLY ADDED PERCENTAGE IN THE BATTLE RESULT TO AMPLIFY KATSURORI'S DEFEAT IN THE AUDIENCE. I LIKE HISTORY, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO TELL IT IN THE WAY THAT BRING BIAS. IT'S BETTER IF HISTORY WAS TOLD IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER WITHOUT TRYING TO GLORIFY ONE SIDE.
@@reynango9645 This was not at all my intention. I mean to "glorify" one side, numbers are numbers.
@@reynango9645 I'M GOING TO MAKE A POINT BY PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS BUT IN REALITY MAKE MYSELF LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT BY NOT PRESENTING IT AS A FORMAL COMMENT. Grow up, honestly. Caps don't make you more convincing, just look like an idiot.
Takeda?.... IN BLUEEEE?!!!!
*Screams in "TW Shogun 2" angry noises*
They made the Oda red just to f*** with us.
Shamefur
Dispray
And Kessen, and just about any movie, tv or game series. Their art direction is either troll or blind
Even in Samurai Warriors on ps2 they were red.
9:19 this messenger, Torii , had balls of steel... loyalty level 100%
Poor metsuke wasting all their daimyo's treasury to corrupt him 😂
Real Samwise Gamgee
Shingen spent his entire life turning Takeda clan into a powerhouse and his son destroys his father's life's work in a single day.
It was a Shamefur Dispray!
Yeah.. 1 side had guns - other side didn't.. xD
@@KM-fl5jq The Takeda had just as many guns with them as the Oda-Tokugawa Alliance did.
To be fair, it was Shingen's fault. Had he not killed his elder son ,(and heir)Yoshinobu, the Takeda would have lasted longer. It was him who appointed Katsuyori as his succesor which makes him the main responsible of his own clan's downfall.
@@Akkise As for Yoshinobu well he did rebel against his own father Shingen so when the plot got discovered it was obvious that betrayal should meet with death even if it's his own son, but after that he should've appointed his younger brother Takeda Nobukado as his successor untill Katsuyori's son Nobukatsu came of age.
This battle is proof positive why the Oda-Tokugawa Alliance was so important in turning the course of the Sengoku-Jidai. In a time when basically nobody trusts ANYBODY anymore, having just ONE ally that you know will always have your back can give you a gigantic advantage over everyone else.
Never seen the Takeda Clan portrayed as the color blue before I’m more used to them being red though. Great video as always!
Same Takeda was pretty bold. The editor is just doing it for labeling purposes though.
Because the traditional color of takeda was red. So its more appropriate to make them red since thats whats they used as their color.
Tokugawa=yellow
Takeda=Red
Oda=Purple
Shogun 2 has me brainwashed lol
@@zen361 Oda has to be yellow just like shogun 2
History Marche: "Shingen had one constant thorn in his side, the Tokugawa Clan."
Uesugi Kenshin: "Am I A Joke to You?
Haha!
Kenshin wasn't a thorn but an equal, a worthy rival
@@HistoryMarche I think Kieran might be right :D Since Takeda's main goal was to march on Kyoto, Takeda would be more like an obstacle, and Uesugi at his flank would be more like a thorn to the side, a very very big thorn...
Not really, Kenshin was more than happy to let Shingen rampage south so long as his northern territories would be safe. He was more concerned about the Hojo clan and sought to destroy them. He was the Kanto Kanrei, after all.
Uesugi kenshin, you son of a bitch
At Nagashino not only did Takeda Katsuyori lose 67% of his army but also 50% of his officer corp, which included dozens of his top samurai commanders. Though he managed to retreat back to Kai and Shinano Provinces, he would spend the next seven years fighting on the defensive. Steadily his allies deserted or turned on him, giving the opening in 1582 for Oda and Tokugawa to deal the finishing blow. Takeda committed suicide at Toriibata with only 300 soldiers remaining by his side.
Historical studies of the Battle of Nagashino have frequently overplayed the contribution of the arquebus to its outcome. That the battle lasted eight hours suggests other weapons such as the bow, sword and spear would have played their part in the Oda-Tokugawa victory. Nevertheless it's certain that the arquebus was crucial to the outcome of the battle, especially when it came to dealing a crushing blow on a force that still employed traditional methods of warfare.
It's like the Japanese version of Agincourt.
One thing that this video fail to mention is that Oda invented a tactic called three line shooting, that is, instead of ordering all arquebusiers to shoot together, he placed them in three lines, while the front line was shooting, the second and third line was re-loading.
That could prevent some over kills, hence if shooting together, many bullets would have felt on the enemies that were already dead or heavily wounded, but if you apply the 3 line shooting, your bullets will always fall on a fresh enemy body.
and that gives enemy a bigger blow to their moral because the shooting is never gonna end, while boost moral to his own troops, because when the first line soldier finish the shoot, they know that another covering volley soon will be shot by their allies behind them, thus provide them with more certainty and tranquility to reload fast, if not, the soldiers would be under fear of the closing enemy and drop the bullets by mistake.
If you saw the forest fight in the movie The Last Samurai you will know what I am talking about, its a completly opposite version of Nagashino battle
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@@marcoswang5034 Yeah morale and timing played just as big a part as positioning.
Another thing is, it played out in Tokugawa/Oda's favor here, but a lot of the time conscripts with guns were often just mowed down by cavalry.
Cavalry was still effective, but Takeda used it wrong here, they were already out-maneuvered and should have retreated.
Katsuyori attacked a numerically superior enemy entrenched in defense, while throwing away his own advantage which was the mobility of cavalry, and worse yet committed his cavalry on frontal charges from the start..... I think the only logical explanation for these series of total war A.I. level of mistakes, is that he is suffering from a lot of internal dissensions and infighting, and his plans are a dysfunctional combination from his different factions...
I was thinking something similar. The wise choice was probably to retreat without a battle but he failed every other objective so far. Failing to capture a weak castle with no supplies would've been a huge blow to his reputation. As a result, he probably decided to fight to preserve that reputation. As for his tactics, I've got no explanation for the idiocy of those moves.
i was thinking he was just not a very good general. his bloodline gave him a title and very capable retainers, but he was no where near as good a leader and general as his father.
As you said retreating without a fight will make him (Katsuyori) an object of ridicule and greatly lowered his reputation, making his susceptible to his political opponent at home, besides the takeda just won a fight against the tokugawa that also use firearm before this battle, so the entire takeda generals must have felt overconfidence and reached the consensual decision to go on the offensive straight away while their morale is at its peak.
For us that already know how the battle went on their decision may seems foolish, but from the perspective of the takeda army at that time going on the offensive was the most logical decision, while retreating or opting for the siege is the foolish decision
@@agathonchristianto9580 I guess faking a retreat would have been a good solution. If Oda and Tokugawa had pursued, leaving their good positions, Takeda might have won.
Katsuyori actually was a competent commander, of course nowhere near as competent as his father, but he was still good. A lot of his younger retainers supported the head on charge while the older retainers spoke against it. Unfortunately for the Takeda he ended up listening to th younger retainers
Takeda Katsuyori: Noooo, you can't just hide behind wooden stockades in an honorable field battle between daimyos.
Oda Nobunaga: Hahaha. Muskets go go pew pew...
alternatively:
Takeda Katsuyori's general staff: Nooo, you can't just charge across a river at entrenched arquebusiers!!! Takeda Katsuyori: Haha cavalry go brrrrrrrrrrrr
hilarious meme killer
Oda nobunaga : YARIMAZING !1!1!1!
Ieyasu: Welcome to the future bitch!
Also Katsuyori: *Spams Calvary charges*
Most of my favorite samurai were from the Takeda clan and its sad to see almost all of them died in Nagashino. One was Nobuharu Baba and while some say he led the rear guard he was known as "the Demon Baba" for his skill and not getting wounded in all 21 of his battles except in Nagashino
The problem with samurai commanders wearing flamboyant armor and helmets are easy targets for accurate snipers.
@@austinhornbeck5060 yeah their hunger for honour and glory gets the better of them but for once I wished to see a battle between Dosetsu OG Tachibana and Shingen Takeda. The man's a beast for he was struck by lightning as a child survived but what's better is that he never lost a battle in his life
In all fairness, snipers weren’t really a thing in that period. Guns, bows and the like probably had more in common with artillery then how we traditionally associated with modern firearms. E.g units were targeted rather then individuals. Dressing up and advertising was fairly safe compared t
@@austinhornbeck5060 you are like about 300 years too early for that, the accuracy of an arquebus is piss poor even at very close range
Conquistadores were sniping Aztec commanders in battle around this time though
Oda Nobunaga is famous for his stunning victory at Okehazama against the Imagawa Clan. However, I think the victory at Nagashino was his greatest tactical victory alongside the Tokugawa Clan. A samurai, an elite wealthy warrior with decades of training could be brought down by a peasant with 40-50 hours of arquebus training and drill. It is difficult to overstate what a momentous shift this created. Nobunaga had no qualms about breaking with tradition and using innovative new methods to achieve total victory. Truly he is one of history's great military visionaries. It would have been fascinating to see how Shingen would have approached the battle at Nagashino.
Fantastic video by the way! Top notch content!
This victory actually made his ego become larger. 2 years later he marched against Kenshin, who in turn whipped Nobunaga's ass at Tedorigawa. Nobunaga became so concerned that he was willing to cede entire North to Kenshin. But once again Lady Luck intervened for Oda. Kenshin drank himself to death in 1578.
@@rahulr5678 Nobunaga wasn't the greatest tactician but he was good, His greatness was as a leader n risk taker. Tho I'm unsure what happened to him that he became so bloodthirsty n hatful towards his subordinates.
@@khal7702 Probably just natural paranoia from years of making enemies. After all, in the end, he was assassinated. But yes, that is one of Nobunaga's biggest talents. Though, I can't say balls of steel alone are what made him succeed. Plenty of people before him had the guts to do extremely risky moves. The difference is, it worked out for Nobunaga, and so one could argue it was either pure luck and nothing else or he genuinely did come up with a combination of amazingly good strategies that were also very ballsy. A ballsy strategy in itself doesn't ensure a win or even make you a good commander. He knew when to take those risks, and when not to. That's a hard feat, harder than it seems. So he knew when to exercise restrain just as much.
Pretty sure he became paranoid since Nagamasa's betrayal that almost cost him everything, but from what i remember Katsuyori's tactic is just rushing the enemy who has set up a blockade while looking back at Shingen's victory at Mikatagahara he completely wrecked the Tokugawa with pincer attack. Pretty sure the outcome would've been completely different if Shingen was in command.
@@gravelle7774 Shingen prob wouldn't even choose to fight there, the valley was narrow and bad for the cavalry, and they are outnumbered. Problem with Katsuyori is that he really wanted to prove himself to his subordinates that he was a worthy successor, however if he had listen to his father's veteran instead of dumb hot headed glory seeking youngsters things would've play differently.
A young, aggressive cavalry officer has his uses but as an officer not the commander of the entire army.
I could get used to these frequent uploads, keep them coming.
Katsuyori: What tactics? The stronger we shout the better odds we have.
Yep, your typical shonen MC
His later battle shows he was competent. In this battle he was just arrogant.
@@htoodoh5770 I suspect it was this battle that cured his arrogance too
Welp time to rewatch Kagemusha and a bunch of other Kurosawa films
19:06 Sad tone: "Surrounded by all sides and abandoned by his allies, Katsuyori committed seppuku, together with all his remaining family members..."
19:16 Abrupt happy tone: "THANKS TO OUR FRIEND HOC EST BELLUM-"
This was dark but hilarious
Agreed😂
Torii Sune'emon. Risked his life to bring reinforcements to the castle and thus for his comrades. Then risked his life to go back and help out them until help arrives. When he was captured he pulled out a suicide task to inform his comrades that they just need to hold out a little longer. He was a hero, nothing less. History will remember this badass for a long time.
fucking mad! like how do you do justice to such a man, where do you put him in history of japan.
Not to mention that he could have stayed instead of returning.
Katsuyori lacked military strategy and thought courage and ferocity would win the day. He gave up a high position in the hills. Also he should've seen his position against the castle was no longer feasible once his enemy showed up. He then should've abandoned the attack and left with his bruised ego but his entire army. With that he could've waged a better suited battle against his enemy in a more suitable location.
Didn't Katsuyori had to charge Oda's palisade because it blocked his only route home?
That said, you think he should cut loss and abandon the siege the moment a scout came in with a report that Oda relieve force is on the way? Run away before Oda force could setup the barricade I mean.
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 yes
Takeda: We have Samurai Cavalry.
Oda: *Laughs in Ashigaru*
Ashigaru and wooden logs. Can't forget about all them wooden logs.
Turns out the Takeda had the same weakness as the aliens from the movie Signs.
Yari wall, is Yarimazing! *said in overdone shogun 2 voice.
Oda Long Ashigaru lol
Yari Ashigaru go za yi ma si~
Takeda: Wtf, you can’t just let peasants kill high ranking samurai with dirty weapons!
Oda and Tokugawa: Haha. Pipes go pew pew...
Uesugi sucking the thumb on the side
Fight "fair" vs fight to win. I'd choose the latter.
@@HistoryMarche If your enemy has 2x your numbers, maybe rushing them head on is not smart
@@HistoryMarche choose both if possible
@@linja5770 Yep, that's exactly my point. If I were a general, I'd always look for ways to win, not to be "fair". That's why Hannibal is my favorite general, he was like: "Fuck fair, I'll just trick them".
This is pretty entertaining during quarantine, thank you for your hard work！
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I mean before, during and after...
Imagine being a Tokugawa or Nabunaga soldier in this battle or someone trapped in the castle. The loyalty you'd feel to your leader after this would be out of this world. I'd feel like I was on the right side of any conflict.
Really? If i were in the castle and starving i'd hate everybody lol, especially the leaders of either army who got me stuck here
Yeah it's not exactly like they care about your wellbeing just because. These dudes were mostly conscripted peasants fighting for other men's family glory
@@notsoprogaming9789 imagine starving after less than a week of a siege. Lol
@@NoNoseProduction Dont underestimate my levels of fat assery
lolol, but seriously I must have missed that part, was under the impression that it was longer
@@notsoprogaming9789 That's because you're not japanese. Even the peasants would give their life away for their lords. Look at battle of Hakodate (last shogunate battle). Even women and child fight to their last breath defending their last fortress.
I'll never seen the Takeda represented as blue before.
Yeah thanks too shogun 2 😅 ill only ever imagine them as red
@@lucianogardelli10 Well, historically red was their color. Not sure what History Marche is thinking when they did this. Pretty annoying to be honest.
imgur.com/a/KDcbRfn
@@forexjammer Well, it actually wasn't, the Samurai and Ashigaru were dressed up in a variety of colors, for eg in one of the main sources i've used the Takeda banners were depicted as being blue. One good example is Tokugawa's Red devils. I am also accustomed with Shogun 2 themes but in this case i just chose a different color to what was already set for the Tokugawa clan from the previous video, "Sekigahara".
Even in the picture that you posted, some Takeda banners are blue, well in-fact cyan. There are NUMEROUS depictions of the Takeda with a variety of colors. Red, white, blue, etc etc.
And as i said, colors were not common according to the clan that you belonged, contrary to what Shogun 2 would let you believe, :).
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Takeda Katsuyori: I have a cavalry.
Oda Nobunaga: We have guns.
Takeda Katsuyori: F**k...
Those maps are probably the best maps that I have seen in such kind of videos. I also noticed the 3d buildings which I have never seen before in similar videos. Wonderful job.
Glad you like them!
Thank you so much!
It is always wonderful to see that some details are not going unnoticed
16:57 You know it's a great battle when there is a Wilhelm scream. Great content as always HM.
a bit of sloppy research at first. 20-30 years ago there was a theory that Shingen was killed at the siege of Noda castle but recent research shows many letters by Takeda retainers alluding to Shingen being sick and thus recent discussions of his death always assume he died of illness. Also the pitched battle that Shingen won vs Ieyasu (Mikatagahara) was a serious butt whipping. That said, Katsuyori was an idiot.
This is what the film "Kagemusha" by Akira Kurosawa tells about.
What are the odds. I'm actually playing a Shogun 2 campaign right now with my friend. He is Oda and I'm Tokugawa. WTF!!!! I love it!! Thank you universe and HistoryMarche.
I watch all and each ads video on your channel without any skip, good job bro !
I really appreciate that! It's great to see you here man! It's such a shame that you stopped uploading, I totally love your content.
@@HistoryMarche thanks, trying to revive that, looking for new painter so hoping to restart soon!
One of the biggest what ifs of the Sengoku Jidai is "What would have Shingen done?"
This video of the takedas major defeat makes me so sad... Awesome video though!
Same...
I can’t get enough of this, keep up the great content!
T. Katsuyori had no tactics whatsoever, he only relied on a cavalry charge and did not even put into consideration that he was heavily outnumbered. In this battle, his pride and bravery was useless since no brain was backing it.
Exactly. Sun Tzu would be disappointed. Charging head on, into a heavily fortified position with weapons that's designed against your main strength, while being numerically inferior is a recipe for death. He should have continued to siege the castle while remaining in place and build his own defenses/fortifications to lure the enemy out of their own defensive position. After all, the entire point was to relieve the castle so Katsuyori had the strategic edge.
this was far better than i thought it would be, good job
Another great video, and one of my favorite battles as a historian of the Sengoku Jidai.
This is a nice standard telling of the battle. I like how you brought in the Sadamasa story which is important for the story of this battle.
If you want a more nuanced take on this I recommend checking out Samurai Archives podcast, History of Japan podcast, and Sengoku Daimyo podcast. The latter of which is on youtube.
Many modern historians question the validity of the cavalry charge that was especially dramatized by Akira Kurosawa's masterpiece Kagemusha. And kept propping up by the Military Revolution Theory which is questionable at best. A more modern telling is that the guns didn't win the Oda-Tokugawa Alliance the battle. It was the Oda Ashigaru long spears, and the fact that the Oda-Tokugawa outnumbered the Takeda forces.
What makes you think the Arquebus didn't play a larger role? It's effective range may have been lower than that of it's succesors, but Oda's men only started shooting after the Takeda forces were almost in contact. The bullets would have killed horses and pierced the Tosei-Gusoku of the horsemen. That is a massive advantage when combined with the palisades.
The battle of course lasted 8 hours, so the Yari spearmen of course played a mayor role defending the gaps between the palisades. However, I believe it was the combination of these two factors, and not just one of them, which enabled the Oda-Tokugawa alliance to win the day.
@@gabzdark07 There is a variety of reasons. If rotational fire was so devastating then everyone in Japan would use it.
Also, training a couple of thousand to fire in volley fire on that plain with only a few months of training would be near impossible given the time.
Samurai armies were drafted by their local lords and were not organized in like military video games by type. They were levied by their lord and organized that way. Look at any of the battle art from the period and you will see this even the ones depicting Nagashino.
Also the battle was not just straight eight hours of fighting in the sources on both sides reserves were rotated in and out for that eight hour long fight.
What allowed the Tokugawa-Oda forces to win was one numbers. And two the Takeda were fighting aggressively with their limited forces. This aggressive fighting was only aided by the fact that most of the skilled Takeda generals and commanders were killed in the battle. This is probably the best thing that trained arquebuses did in the battle. Accurately sniped the commanders.
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I love 19:10: "He committed seppuku along with all of his remaining family members." "SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR FRIEND HOC EST BELLUM"
Haha! Its only me that should be blamed for the sudden change of tone! My good friend Mago, tries to fit the promo for my channel in the video, so its never easy.
Takeda clan is my favourite such a shame shingen died before reaching kyoto, his battle with nobunaga would be awesome 💔
I love the Takeda clan's history, Shingen is legendary, but I still prefer Oda, and I'm quite sad that he was betrayed.
Glad you guys are covering the battle of the sengoku jehdai one of my favorite time periods interesting characters intrigue massive battles everything you need to have a great story
Thank you
Thank you for watching.
Sounds like the Japanese Agincourt - a famous cavalry force destroyed by ranged infantry weapons from behind stakes and a muddy field. Awesome video! The Sengoku Jidai is fascinating
Amazing! as always love those collaboration With Hoc Est 😃
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Thanks a lot man! :)
Never clicked something that fast then the notification from HistoryMarche
Can't resist watching History Marche videos regardless of the title, great job.
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I congratulate you guys, I've really liked this video.
Not only cause it's well documented (as far I know) but most importantly: I appreciate that you provided a nuanced portrayal of the battle, looking at the context and paying attention to detail, and the factors that let to it's final outcome.
Other videos or documentaries simplify this battle to an extreme, reducing the long struggle between Takeda and Oda forces to a couple thousand cavalrymen being slaughtered by modern firearms making the Takeda seem stupid or out of touch.
Here you can appreciate how well Nobunaga played his cards to defeat a powerful foe (a bit of context on how the Takeda defeated a similar army 2 years before would have been perfect to provide more perspective).
Keep it up guys 👍🏻
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There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
The Takeda generals must've followed their young lord out of respect for his late father, but they surely knew the battle should never have been fought under those conditions
Loved it! As a westerner, any way you could make an intro to the sengoku jidai period? I know very little about the samurai warfare, clans, shogunate and way of life during this period and would have liked an intro (and a playlist so I can rewatch all your Japanese vids afterwards). I know whatever I read or watch, your way of teaching is superior
Thats a very nice suggestion actually. This is definitely within our plans!
Thank you very much for your feedback!
Nicely done. Always feel like I'm playing Total war Shogun
Thanks man. Total War is always a good idea anyway :)
Just want to say, I'm glad you make great and informative video. Keep it up 👍
Thank you very much! Make sure to check out Hoc Est Bellum channel ruclips.net/channel/UCl5m12RUvypT4e7w-mWrzsA he did the lion's share of the work here.
I believe this battle was in Akira Kourasawa's movie Kagemousa. I know I am spelling all these names wrong.About a clan leader who dies and to keep his incompetent son from taking over they install a look alike to still make him believe his father is still alive.When the son does takes over he leads a disasterous attack on a rival where he sends one calvary charge after another into the exact same scenario as this real battle. and gets his army wiped out.Did not realize this movie was based on a true story but someone correct me if I am wrong.
Oh yes that's true. As far as i know "Kagemousa" is based on the battle of Nagashino.
The only problem i see in this history is that the tale of the samurai sneaking trough the night, calling reinforcements and then coming back to scream at the wall, have a EXACT same version on the Roman history of Caesar gallic Conquests, tough i dont remember exactly in wich battle.
Also a Chinese version... conclusion: liars are everywhere....
The first battle of the Sengoku Jidai I ever read about years ago, great work!
The 'volleys' mentioned was actually one Arquebus shot, followed by sustained archer fire while the arquebusier reloaded.
Too nice historic video with clear explaining of events and battles situation 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
Nicely done!
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1. 2:1
2. Attacking a fortified position
3. No scouting on flanks
4. No flanking what so ever with cavalry
5. The worst terrain for a terrain dependent army
6. Leaving a fortification behind your lines.
What the hell was Katsuyori thinking?
This has got to be one of the dumbest battles not just in Japanese but in military history. A primarliy cavalry force, that is heavily outnumbered, chooses to charge across a river, over rough terrain and against a fortified enemy with a lot of long range firepower. Well I can see where the "genius" of the WW2 Banzai charge came from
It might've worked if Takeda put some wings behind the back of their horsemen, might dumbfound the enemy for a second...
Ah... Nagashino. My favorite battle of the sengoku jidai. It was the battle the revolutionized Japan's warring style. Bringing out the first tears of the cavalry and bringing gunpowder to conflict.
And also it had the underdog feel like the battle of Okehazama. Nobody thought they'd win, but then pow! Nobunaga swipes the rug from under their feet.
TBF, 38000 vs. 15000 makes the Takeda the weaker side.
The battle of Nagashino is one of the most important battles in the Sengoku Jidai and Japanese history as a whole. It didn't just break the power of the once mightiest clan of eastern Japan, and one of the strongest in in the entire country, the Takeda which made them suffer very heavy casualties (12,000 Casualties), including many of thier top generals. And wasn't just an important victory for the Oda-Tokugawa alliance, but it also revolutionised Samurai warfare, with the new and extremely effective startegy of the wide use of massive quantities of soldiers armed with matchlocks and arquebus positioned behind wooden palisades, turned out to be an extremely effective tactic, that changed Samurai warfare for the rest of its existence.
I've been watching an entire series on the Sengoku Jidai and just got to the Battle of Nagashino and now I see this, perfect timing!
Damn, you made an WoTB ad more interesting with that voice of yours.
Isnt this the battle from one of akira kurosawa movies? The one were a pesent impersonates a dead noble...
Kagemusha.
Great work, i must say i am very interested in the Japanese period of this time and i find that not many channels offer this kind of information to study, i think more info on this period and the battles should ne offered just some advice but i do enjoy all your work
Thank you very much!
Can you make the next video about Battle of okehazama you really should talk about it one day
💡 attack a force which outnumbers you 2 to 1 with just a portion of your army
What was Takeda's plan if he succeeded taking Nagashino castle? He destroyed the warehouse so how long did he think he'd last under siege?
I like the random Wilhelm screams 😅
Agincourt 2: electric boogaloo
Great video!
Awesome video, any chance on three kingdoms era battles? Or more warring states?
5:35 Actually Nobunaga was reluctant to send help to Ieyasu, and did so only after Ieyasu threatened to leave their alliance.
When will you show the battles of Alexander?
Amazing work as always!
Thank you so much 😀
I've played Samurai Warriors the video game many times. So I've known about this battle and a little about it. But not what led to it or what happened afterwards. I wonder what Shingen would've said about his son's major defeat. And I also wonder if Shingen himself could've truly prevented it. I suspect that the answer is yes.
Public broadcast NHK aired one of a latest study about guns at the day of battle of Nagashino.
Oda: about 3,000 guns with 900,000 bullets.
Takeda: about 1,000 guns with 50,000 bullets(they lost many bullets by pre battles).
NHK said the Takeda firstly launched gun fight then after run out of ammo, cavalry charged. Metal analysis of bullets dug from the ruin proved the lead was from lead main within 3km from Nagashino castle. This proposes new hypothesis that Takeda wanted to lead main so advanced to Nagashino castle. At that time, the importance of lead mine for bullets was common view of war loads.
Thank you for the video. Keep it up.👍🙏
YES A WEEK WITH 3 VIDEOS!!! AND SOMEHOW I'M THIS EARLY
The real reason Takeda lost:
The Mountain does not move!
a nice video and explanation of the battle.....its one of the great best battles of the early firearms where they used the rotating volley system to get the most out of the early firearms and their long reload time ...if you like this period of history checkout that great movie "kagemusha" in which the battle is shown near the end :)
Takeda: and where´s Steven Seagall when he ´s needed ?
next battle of myongyang please explain how 12 battleship can win agains 120 battleships
Fell asleep watching my exquisite YT watch later list. All wonderful videos, with balanced sound volume. Just started dreaming about the prehistory of Australia and the Sahul shelf... Then this guy comes, screaming like mad in the middle of my boomerang wielding explorers "...TEAM UP WITH YOUR FRIENDS TO CREATE THREE HUNDRED ARMORED VEHICLES IN A COMPREHENSIVE TIER SYSTEM..." Scared my aboriginals, ran away leaving their boomerangs in the air, hit me in the head, woke me up... Damn!
Great video as always keep it up
Thank you for watching.
My favorite Military History is that of Nippon. Onin Wars, Sengoku Jidai, the works.
Keep it coming
Thank you for watching.
Leading the legendary Takeda cav to such a crushing defeat, I would've seppuku'ed right away
I literally just started playing Shogun 2
Are you spying on me?
I guess since retreating without taking anything wasnt an option (fearing of loss of reputation) and that Katsuyori choose to fight the Oda-Tokugawa forces, his only real chance would have been marching against their forces the moment he learns about them coming towards the castle. Before the gunners and the palisades gets deployed he would have a much better chance to utilize his cavalry perhaps in a surprise attack.
First ever player to use F1+F3 with cavalry and failed
Oh, they have arquebouisers with a Cheval de frise setup, and is perfectly entrenched behind a river. And they outnumber us as well. Yeah lets make some suicidal charges upfront. 😂
Can't believe that it's been 2 years since I've first watched this.
Well done
The younger Takeda was a fool.
Wait... there's another giant pharmaceutical company called Oda-Tokugawa?
theres also a giant construction company called tokugawa...
RED Tokugawa, and BLUE Takeda? What shrooms were you smoking, because you've just inverted one of THE most common red vs blue depictions you can find
I didn't understand that neither...that point is really annoying in fact...
Oda Nobunaga was not a samurai so he didn't uphold the code of conduct that samurai typically had like fighting a war honorably (sorry for the bad English, it is not my first language)
This animations are great, keep up good work
His father Tekeda Shingen would have won this battle and saw all the cracks that would led to Takeda defeat. Might never even commit to this battle & retreat
@Alvi Syahri Should've pulled a Kenshin and just attacked to inflict attrition instead of fully commiting. Then again Shingen would've been smart enough to go around the palisades.