Jon is so human & much, much darker in the books, here are some juicy reads: AGOT Tyrion II ...Sometimes I'd imagine my father burning. At other times, my sister." Jon Snow was staring at him, a look equal parts horror and fascination. Tyrion guffawed. "Don't look at me that way, bastard. I know your secret. You've dreamt the same kind of dreams." "No," Jon Snow said, horrified. "I wouldn't …" "No? Never?" Tyrion raised an eyebrow. "Well, no doubt the Starks have been terribly good to you. I'm certain Lady Stark treats you as if you were one of her own. And your brother Robb, he's always been kind, and why not? He gets Winterfell and you get the Wall. And your father … he must have good reasons for packing you off to the Night's Watch …" "Stop it," Jon Snow said, his face dark with anger. "The Night's Watch is a noble calling!" Tyrion laughed. "You're too smart to believe that. The Night's Watch is a midden heap for all the misfits of the realm. I've seen you looking at Yoren and his boys. Those are your new brothers, Jon Snow, how do you like them? Sullen peasants, debtors, poachers, rapers, thieves, and bastards like you all wind up on the Wall, watching for grumkins and snarks and all the other monsters your wet nurse warned you about. The good part is there are no grumkins or snarks, so it's scarcely dangerous work. The bad part is you freeze your balls off, but since you're not allowed to breed anyway, I don't suppose that matters." "Stop it!" the boy screamed. He took a step forward, his hands coiling into fists, close to tears. Suddenly, absurdly, Tyrion felt guilty. He took a step forward, intending to give the boy a reassuring pat on the shoulder or mutter some word of apology. He never saw the wolf, where it was or how it came at him. One moment he was walking toward Snow and the next he was flat on his back on the hard rocky ground, the book spinning away from him as he fell, the breath going out of him at the sudden impact, his mouth full of dirt and blood and rotting leaves. As he tried to get up, his back spasmed painfully. He must have wrenched it in the fall. He ground his teeth in frustration, grabbed a root, and pulled himself back to a sitting position. "Help me," he said to the boy, reaching up a hand.
AGOT Jon VIII "As you say, my lord." It was not the thought of scars that troubled Jon; it was the rest of it. Maester Aemon had given him milk of the poppy, yet even so, the pain had been hideous. At first it had felt as if his hand were still aflame, burning day and night. Only plunging it into basins of snow and shaved ice gave any relief at all. Jon thanked the gods that no one but Ghost saw him writhing on his bed, whimpering from the pain. And when at last he did sleep, he dreamt, and that was even worse. In the dream, the corpse he fought had blue eyes, black hands, and his father's face, but he dared not tell Mormont that. … Whatever demonic force moved Othor had been driven out by the flames; the twisted thing they had found in the ashes had been no more than cooked meat and charred bone. Yet in his nightmare he faced it again … and this time the burning corpse wore Lord Eddard's features. It was his father's skin that burst and blackened, his father's eyes that ran liquid down his cheeks like jellied tears. Jon did not understand why that should be or what it might mean, but it frightened him more than he could say.
ASOS Jon XII He was almost ready to lower his blade and call a halt when Emmett feinted low and came in over his shield with a savage forehand slash that caught Jon on the temple. He staggered, his helm and head both ringing from the force of the blow. For half a heartbeat the world beyond his eyeslit was a blur. And then the years were gone, and he was back at Winterfell once more, wearing a quilted leather coat in place of mail and plate. His sword was made of wood, and it was Robb who stood facing him, not Iron Emmett. Every morning they had trained together, since they were big enough to walk; Snow and Stark, spinning and slashing about the wards of Winterfell, shouting and laughing, sometimes crying when there was no one else to see. They were not little boys when they fought, but knights and mighty heroes. "I'm Prince Aemon the Dragonknight," Jon would call out, and Robb would shout back, "Well, I'm Florian the Fool." Or Robb would say, "I'm the Young Dragon," and Jon would reply, "I'm Ser Ryam Redwyne." That morning he called it first. "I'm Lord of Winterfell!" he cried, as he had a hundred times before. Only this time, this time, Robb had answered, "You can't be Lord of Winterfell, you're bastard-born. My lady mother says you can't ever be the Lord of Winterfell." I thought I had forgotten that. Jon could taste blood in his mouth, from the blow he'd taken. In the end Halder and Horse had to pull him away from Iron Emmett, one man on either arm. The ranger sat on the ground dazed, his shield half in splinters, the visor of his helm knocked askew, and his sword six yards away. "Jon, enough," Halder was shouting, "he's down, you disarmed him. Enough!" No. Not enough. Never enough. Jon let his sword drop. "I'm sorry," he muttered. "Emmett, are you hurt?" Iron Emmett pulled his battered helm off. "Was there some part of yield you could not comprehend, Lord Snow?" It was said amiably, though. Emmett was an amiable man, and he loved the song of swords. "Warrior defend me," he groaned, "now I know how Qhorin Halfhand must have felt." That was too much. Jon wrenched free of his friends and retreated to the armory, alone. His ears were still ringing from the blow Emmett had dealt him. He sat on the bench and buried his head in his hands. Why am I so angry? he asked himself, but it was a stupid question. Lord of Winterfell. I could be the Lord of Winterfell. My father's heir. It was not Lord Eddard's face he saw floating before him, though; it was Lady Catelyn's. With her deep blue eyes and hard cold mouth, she looked a bit like Stannis. Iron, he thought, but brittle. She was looking at him the way she used to look at him at Winterfell, whenever he had bested Robb at swords or sums or most anything. Who are you? that look had always seemed to say. This is not your place. Why are you here? His friends were still out in the practice yard, but Jon was in no fit state to face them. He left the armory by the back, descending a steep flight of stone steps to the wormways, the tunnels that linked the castle's keeps and towers below the earth. It was short walk to the bathhouse, where he took a cold plunge to wash the sweat off and soaked in a hot stone tub. The warmth took some of the ache from his muscles and made him think of Winterfell's muddy pools, steaming and bubbling in the godswood. Winterfell, he thought. Theon left it burned and broken, but I could restore it. Surely his father would have wanted that, and Robb as well. They would never have wanted the castle left in ruins. You can't be the Lord of Winterfell, you're bastard-born, he heard Robb say again. And the stone kings were growling at him with granite tongues. You do not belong here. This is not your place. When Jon closed his eyes he saw the heart tree, with its pale limbs, red leaves, and solemn face. The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman's hungry fire god. I have no right, he thought. Winterfell belongs to the old gods. … ...He wanted it, Jon knew then. He wanted it as much as he had ever wanted anything. I have always wanted it, he thought, guiltily. May the gods forgive me. It was a hunger inside him, sharp as a dragonglass blade. A hunger . . . he could feel it. It was food he needed, prey, a red deer that stank of fear or a great elk proud and defiant. He needed to kill and fill his belly with fresh meat and hot dark blood. His mouth began to water with the thought....
Don’t think Jon will be a villian per se but he’s gonna be driven by his goals as most of the resurrected are which will be to defeat the white walkers. He’s gonna be a ends justify the means sort of character when he gets revived and being in ghost might even amplify some of his worst traits but honestly I don’t think Jon will be like Stoneheart she is an extreme example of resurrection. I think he might be closer to Maegor as a ruler to prepare the north for the invasion.
Amazing video and easy sub. What's funny is I'll leave the same comment here I left on Alt Shift X's video regarding the clip you show at 8:08 - in the book, Rickon is on Skagos and there's no evidence he'll ever be in the hands of the Boltons. This seems like more of a show-only decision by D&D to kill off the character, so I don't think this entire thing will happen in the books. But, everything else you say about the potential of Jon going bad checks out, and I wouldn't put it past George.
I think people get confused because Rickon is the only Stark without a POV chapter in the books, whereas in the TV show they introduced the plot line you mentioned. I’m always hoping that GRRM will end TWoW or start Dream of Spring with Rickon’s pov. Would be cool to see a child’s perspective on the game of thrones, and doubly cool if Rickon has grown into a Lyanna Mormont type character!
@@blake1935 Robb also never has POV chapters, you see his story through Catelyn. GRRM has also said Winds does not feature any new POV characters, so if we see Rickon, it will be through the eyes of Davos, who is currently going to find him.
Jon Snow will go down a similar path to Paul Atredies in Dune. Where he will seem like a Hero, but, he is really a cunning and charismatic villain. Playing the game, and perhaps killing Dany, making Westeros think she was a Mad Tyrant who needed to be put down. Perhaps conspiring with Bran to get Bran in the throne, while Jon becomes King of the North. Marrying Val or one of the two Stark Sisters. But thats just me.
I moslty agree, I feel like Jon will turn into a bloodraven esque character where he will commit evil acts in the name of the greater good similar to your idea. Where I disagree is that I believe he will reject that power and ideology, as bloodraven was ulitimately consumed by it with him webbed up. I cant see George presenting that the fundemental answer to fixing problems is by being evil, rather than the theme seen with honour outlasting deceit
Darker Jon Snow makes sense but I doubt he'd ever become truly evil. Danny on the other hand is evil. As is Brann (or to be more correct the ancient malevolent time traveling entity that's using Brann's body as a shell).
@@ACinemafanatic jon never burned alive hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians that happen to live in a city where his enemy was based nor did jon ever let his soldiers execute prisoners of war after they had surrendered (and I'm taking about ordinary Lannister soldiers that were drafted to fight and their only crime was that they happened to fight for the side that had lost the war
Martin's original idea was that there would be 3 existential threats to Westeros: the War of the Five Kings; Denaerys' invasion with the Dragons & the Dothraki; and the War for the Dawn against the Others.
I dont think he'll suddenly become a monster but if he comes back to life I don't think he's gonna be the Jon we know anymore. He'll probably set honor seeing as it got Ned and Robb killed and generally be a lot more ruthless.
Great stuff! Man seeing those paintings/drawings, I really wished we had seen THAT Beric Donarion on the show! I came up with an idea years ago that after Jon Snow wargs into Ghost, that he comes back werewolf-transformation style where Ghost transforms into a human and it's Jon but he has white hair just like Ghost's fur! He would really look like a Targ. Maybe it's the doing of Melisandre where she tries to bring Jon forth from Ghost and the transformation occurs. I could see him be the avatar of the Lord of Light. Or just be more feral cause he came directly from a wolf. Him killing Lady Stoneheart would make sense given what she put him through growing up and she is a monster and someone has to eventually take her down. Killing Jaime would make sense as well and it would be a better death for him than what he got on the show. The reason could be not because he killed Arys but more because he did not protect Rhaegar's other children. Then again, I would love a Jon-Jaime team up with two possibly grey characters.
In the reference with grrm he said the 2 outlying ones which i think means he going to have multiple connections to the title being a song of ice and fire so Jon being a targ and a stark would also be ice and fire, red priestess and 3 eyes Raven etc
what? other than being bastards and living in the North, there is absolutely nothing connecting those characters on a personality level. If Jon turned villainous, it would be in a completely different way for completely different reasons than Ramsey has for being evil.
@@zoid_on_youtube What they mean is probably about how Ramsay embodies every negative stereotypes people think of Jon so making Jon into another bastard villain like Ramsay will be repetitive. Plus Jon must defeat Ramsay to symbolize him overcoming his inner demon.
Hear me out. for a while I thought Jon would come back as a vengeful ghost zombie like Lady Stoneheart But unlike Lady Stoneheart, Jon is a warg, I feel like when he comes back he'll be more cognitive than Lady Stoneheart because instead of passing on to the otherside and being brought back, he'll have hung out inside of Ghost before being brought back into his body. I do hope he's more vengeful but I do not think he'll come back as a badguy or a non-POV character He'll still be Jon
He’d make a perfect Vader type villain. Also Jon snow to good of a character. Like he’s to honorable. Let the man be serious. And give him what he wants. Lands and a title.
I dont think he will be villain we have a lot of those and not many heroes to beat them, but I think he will be darker version of himself he will have direwolf inside him and every time you die you loose part of yourself so we will loose part of Jon and i think he will get his while hair
I think he will come back greyer, but he won't play a part in Rickon's death, or become the Night King. Hell, contrary to what everyone thinks, I believe Rickon will survive the whole thing and bring a bit of the untamed Wolfish First Man Spirit back to Winterfell. I think Stannis will have the Boltons on the back foot by the time Jon comes back, and that Euron, Roose or even Stannis, would be more likely Night Kings. especially after the Red Witch betrays him by killing Shereen to revive Jon and proclaim him the true Azor ahai
Don’t think Jon or Dany are going to be evil in the books I think they’re final chapters are supposed to be them realizing they’re wasting their time playing politics when they should be fighting evil men
Book Jon is much more smart, strategic, and emotionally complex than show Jon. He's also a more active commander of the Night's Watch, and is put into tougher situations. Wtf are you smoking to think he's boring 😭
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You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to see yourself become the villain.
Jon Snow: I'll do both
I don’t know how Gandalf is revived in the books, but in the movie death is a transformative expierence he goes from silly grandpa to stoic grandpa
He will be dark. Breaks my heart but he will not resurrect to be the same person.
I feel like he’ll go more rob stark.
Jon is so human & much, much darker in the books, here are some juicy reads:
AGOT Tyrion II
...Sometimes I'd imagine my father burning. At other times, my sister." Jon Snow was staring at him, a look equal parts horror and fascination. Tyrion guffawed. "Don't look at me that way, bastard. I know your secret. You've dreamt the same kind of dreams."
"No," Jon Snow said, horrified. "I wouldn't …"
"No? Never?" Tyrion raised an eyebrow. "Well, no doubt the Starks have been terribly good to you. I'm certain Lady Stark treats you as if you were one of her own. And your brother Robb, he's always been kind, and why not? He gets Winterfell and you get the Wall. And your father … he must have good reasons for packing you off to the Night's Watch …"
"Stop it," Jon Snow said, his face dark with anger. "The Night's Watch is a noble calling!"
Tyrion laughed. "You're too smart to believe that. The Night's Watch is a midden heap for all the misfits of the realm. I've seen you looking at Yoren and his boys. Those are your new brothers, Jon Snow, how do you like them? Sullen peasants, debtors, poachers, rapers, thieves, and bastards like you all wind up on the Wall, watching for grumkins and snarks and all the other monsters your wet nurse warned you about. The good part is there are no grumkins or snarks, so it's scarcely dangerous work. The bad part is you freeze your balls off, but since you're not allowed to breed anyway, I don't suppose that matters."
"Stop it!" the boy screamed. He took a step forward, his hands coiling into fists, close to tears.
Suddenly, absurdly, Tyrion felt guilty. He took a step forward, intending to give the boy a reassuring pat on the shoulder or mutter some word of apology.
He never saw the wolf, where it was or how it came at him. One moment he was walking toward Snow and the next he was flat on his back on the hard rocky ground, the book spinning away from him as he fell, the breath going out of him at the sudden impact, his mouth full of dirt and blood and rotting leaves. As he tried to get up, his back spasmed painfully. He must have wrenched it in the fall. He ground his teeth in frustration, grabbed a root, and pulled himself back to a sitting position. "Help me," he said to the boy, reaching up a hand.
AGOT Jon VIII
"As you say, my lord." It was not the thought of scars that troubled Jon; it was the rest of it. Maester Aemon had given him milk of the poppy, yet even so, the pain had been hideous. At first it had felt as if his hand were still aflame, burning day and night. Only plunging it into basins of snow and shaved ice gave any relief at all. Jon thanked the gods that no one but Ghost saw him writhing on his bed, whimpering from the pain. And when at last he did sleep, he dreamt, and that was even worse. In the dream, the corpse he fought had blue eyes, black hands, and his father's face, but he dared not tell Mormont that.
…
Whatever demonic force moved Othor had been driven out by the flames; the twisted thing they had found in the ashes had been no more than cooked meat and charred bone. Yet in his nightmare he faced it again … and this time the burning corpse wore Lord Eddard's features. It was his father's skin that burst and blackened, his father's eyes that ran liquid down his cheeks like jellied tears. Jon did not understand why that should be or what it might mean, but it frightened him more than he could say.
ASOS Jon XII
He was almost ready to lower his blade and call a halt when Emmett feinted low and came in over his shield with a savage forehand slash that caught Jon on the temple. He staggered, his helm and head both ringing from the force of the blow. For half a heartbeat the world beyond his eyeslit was a blur.
And then the years were gone, and he was back at Winterfell once more, wearing a quilted leather coat in place of mail and plate. His sword was made of wood, and it was Robb who stood facing him, not Iron Emmett.
Every morning they had trained together, since they were big enough to walk; Snow and Stark, spinning and slashing about the wards of Winterfell, shouting and laughing, sometimes crying when there was no one else to see. They were not little boys when they fought, but knights and mighty heroes. "I'm Prince Aemon the Dragonknight," Jon would call out, and Robb would shout back, "Well, I'm Florian the Fool." Or Robb would say, "I'm the Young Dragon," and Jon would reply, "I'm Ser Ryam Redwyne."
That morning he called it first. "I'm Lord of Winterfell!" he cried, as he had a hundred times before. Only this time, this time, Robb had answered, "You can't be Lord of Winterfell, you're bastard-born. My lady mother says you can't ever be the Lord of Winterfell."
I thought I had forgotten that. Jon could taste blood in his mouth, from the blow he'd taken.
In the end Halder and Horse had to pull him away from Iron Emmett, one man on either arm. The ranger sat on the ground dazed, his shield half in splinters, the visor of his helm knocked askew, and his sword six yards away. "Jon, enough," Halder was shouting, "he's down, you disarmed him. Enough!"
No. Not enough. Never enough. Jon let his sword drop. "I'm sorry," he muttered. "Emmett, are you hurt?"
Iron Emmett pulled his battered helm off. "Was there some part of yield you could not comprehend, Lord Snow?" It was said amiably, though. Emmett was an amiable man, and he loved the song of swords. "Warrior defend me," he groaned, "now I know how Qhorin Halfhand must have felt."
That was too much. Jon wrenched free of his friends and retreated to the armory, alone. His ears were still ringing from the blow Emmett had dealt him. He sat on the bench and buried his head in his hands. Why am I so angry? he asked himself, but it was a stupid question. Lord of Winterfell. I could be the Lord of Winterfell. My father's heir.
It was not Lord Eddard's face he saw floating before him, though; it was Lady Catelyn's. With her deep blue eyes and hard cold mouth, she looked a bit like Stannis. Iron, he thought, but brittle. She was looking at him the way she used to look at him at Winterfell, whenever he had bested Robb at swords or sums or most anything. Who are you? that look had always seemed to say. This is not your place. Why are you here?
His friends were still out in the practice yard, but Jon was in no fit state to face them. He left the armory by the back, descending a steep flight of stone steps to the wormways, the tunnels that linked the castle's keeps and towers below the earth. It was short walk to the bathhouse, where he took a cold plunge to wash the sweat off and soaked in a hot stone tub. The warmth took some of the ache from his muscles and made him think of Winterfell's muddy pools, steaming and bubbling in the godswood. Winterfell, he thought. Theon left it burned and broken, but I could restore it. Surely his father would have wanted that, and Robb as well. They would never have wanted the castle left in ruins.
You can't be the Lord of Winterfell, you're bastard-born, he heard Robb say again. And the stone kings were growling at him with granite tongues. You do not belong here. This is not your place. When Jon closed his eyes he saw the heart tree, with its pale limbs, red leaves, and solemn face. The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman's hungry fire god. I have no right, he thought. Winterfell belongs to the old gods.
…
...He wanted it, Jon knew then. He wanted it as much as he had ever wanted anything. I have always wanted it, he thought, guiltily. May the gods forgive me. It was a hunger inside him, sharp as a dragonglass blade. A hunger . . . he could feel it. It was food he needed, prey, a red deer that stank of fear or a great elk proud and defiant. He needed to kill and fill his belly with fresh meat and hot dark blood. His mouth began to water with the thought....
Don’t think Jon will be a villian per se but he’s gonna be driven by his goals as most of the resurrected are which will be to defeat the white walkers. He’s gonna be a ends justify the means sort of character when he gets revived and being in ghost might even amplify some of his worst traits but honestly I don’t think Jon will be like Stoneheart she is an extreme example of resurrection. I think he might be closer to Maegor as a ruler to prepare the north for the invasion.
The LSH point doesn’t really track because Catelyn was rotting for days and was already crazy, Jon will just be more aggressive and impulsive
you got me hyped for the next book
Amazing video and easy sub. What's funny is I'll leave the same comment here I left on Alt Shift X's video regarding the clip you show at 8:08 - in the book, Rickon is on Skagos and there's no evidence he'll ever be in the hands of the Boltons. This seems like more of a show-only decision by D&D to kill off the character, so I don't think this entire thing will happen in the books. But, everything else you say about the potential of Jon going bad checks out, and I wouldn't put it past George.
I think people get confused because Rickon is the only Stark without a POV chapter in the books, whereas in the TV show they introduced the plot line you mentioned. I’m always hoping that GRRM will end TWoW or start Dream of Spring with Rickon’s pov. Would be cool to see a child’s perspective on the game of thrones, and doubly cool if Rickon has grown into a Lyanna Mormont type character!
@@blake1935 Robb also never has POV chapters, you see his story through Catelyn. GRRM has also said Winds does not feature any new POV characters, so if we see Rickon, it will be through the eyes of Davos, who is currently going to find him.
OMG! NO! I don't want Jon to be a villain!
Jon Snow will go down a similar path to Paul Atredies in Dune. Where he will seem like a Hero, but, he is really a cunning and charismatic villain. Playing the game, and perhaps killing Dany, making Westeros think she was a Mad Tyrant who needed to be put down. Perhaps conspiring with Bran to get Bran in the throne, while Jon becomes King of the North. Marrying Val or one of the two Stark Sisters. But thats just me.
I moslty agree, I feel like Jon will turn into a bloodraven esque character where he will commit evil acts in the name of the greater good similar to your idea. Where I disagree is that I believe he will reject that power and ideology, as bloodraven was ulitimately consumed by it with him webbed up. I cant see George presenting that the fundemental answer to fixing problems is by being evil, rather than the theme seen with honour outlasting deceit
I mean Paul is not really a villain more of an anti hero, he has to do a lot of bad for his people and humanity
Darker Jon Snow makes sense but I doubt he'd ever become truly evil. Danny on the other hand is evil. As is Brann (or to be more correct the ancient malevolent time traveling entity that's using Brann's body as a shell).
How is she evil when her and Jon practically do the same things
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@@ACinemafanatic jon never burned alive hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians that happen to live in a city where his enemy was based nor did jon ever let his soldiers execute prisoners of war after they had surrendered (and I'm taking about ordinary Lannister soldiers that were drafted to fight and their only crime was that they happened to fight for the side that had lost the war
I would love it if Jon returns but we never get a point of view chapter from him for the rest of the book. Save Jon's POV until the final book.
What if White Walkers TEMPORARILY take control of Jon's body until Melisandre can put Jon's Soul back into his body from Ghost?
Coldhands 2.0
I wonder if he was talking about the first time Wonderman came back or the second time he came back?
Love your work literally
Me when I skim through a wiki of ice and fire
I love your videos, please keep them coming
Martin's original idea was that there would be 3 existential threats to Westeros: the War of the Five Kings; Denaerys' invasion with the Dragons & the Dothraki; and the War for the Dawn against the Others.
Tucker Creed , Dude, you're killing it! Let's collab and make magic.
he does great work, for reference, he's responsible for editing all of Ricegums music videos
@@simpletonW that's not great work, that's just sad.
There must always be a Stark in Winterfell.
There must always be a Lich King.
A Warg-in' Ward-en in a Wall-ed Gard-en
I dont think he'll suddenly become a monster but if he comes back to life I don't think he's gonna be the Jon we know anymore.
He'll probably set honor seeing as it got Ned and Robb killed and generally be a lot more ruthless.
Great stuff! Man seeing those paintings/drawings, I really wished we had seen THAT Beric Donarion on the show! I came up with an idea years ago that after Jon Snow wargs into Ghost, that he comes back werewolf-transformation style where Ghost transforms into a human and it's Jon but he has white hair just like Ghost's fur! He would really look like a Targ. Maybe it's the doing of Melisandre where she tries to bring Jon forth from Ghost and the transformation occurs. I could see him be the avatar of the Lord of Light. Or just be more feral cause he came directly from a wolf. Him killing Lady Stoneheart would make sense given what she put him through growing up and she is a monster and someone has to eventually take her down. Killing Jaime would make sense as well and it would be a better death for him than what he got on the show. The reason could be not because he killed Arys but more because he did not protect Rhaegar's other children. Then again, I would love a Jon-Jaime team up with two possibly grey characters.
I can picture him being more bloodthirsty
In the reference with grrm he said the 2 outlying ones which i think means he going to have multiple connections to the title being a song of ice and fire so Jon being a targ and a stark would also be ice and fire, red priestess and 3 eyes Raven etc
The idea of Jon being evil or a villain doesn't work to me because Ramsey is already evil Jon snow
what? other than being bastards and living in the North, there is absolutely nothing connecting those characters on a personality level. If Jon turned villainous, it would be in a completely different way for completely different reasons than Ramsey has for being evil.
@@zoid_on_youtube What they mean is probably about how Ramsay embodies every negative stereotypes people think of Jon so making Jon into another bastard villain like Ramsay will be repetitive. Plus Jon must defeat Ramsay to symbolize him overcoming his inner demon.
As long as melasandre keeps the necklace ON.... I would do whatever she said 😂🔥
Great video
The assassin's creed ambience makes this so much better already
Hear me out. for a while I thought Jon would come back as a vengeful ghost zombie like Lady Stoneheart
But unlike Lady Stoneheart, Jon is a warg, I feel like when he comes back he'll be more cognitive than Lady Stoneheart because instead of passing on to the otherside and being brought back, he'll have hung out inside of Ghost before being brought back into his body.
I do hope he's more vengeful but I do not think he'll come back as a badguy or a non-POV character
He'll still be Jon
He’d make a perfect Vader type villain.
Also Jon snow to good of a character. Like he’s to honorable. Let the man be serious. And give him what he wants. Lands and a title.
Jon is Ned unchained.
Rhaegar was killed by Robert B., not Jaimie...
Facts.
"My Warhammer caved in his breastplate.. probably SHATTERED every rib he had" 🦌🔨
I am still mad that the show hyped us up with Jon begin king of the North just to take it away immediately from him, so i hope Jon becomes King
Jon Snow's mission after he died was to quash the army of dead, kill the knight king and stop the long night.
I dont think he will be villain we have a lot of those and not many heroes to beat them, but I think he will be darker version of himself he will have direwolf inside him and every time you die you loose part of yourself so we will loose part of Jon and i think he will get his while hair
I think he will come back greyer, but he won't play a part in Rickon's death, or become the Night King. Hell, contrary to what everyone thinks, I believe Rickon will survive the whole thing and bring a bit of the untamed Wolfish First Man Spirit back to Winterfell. I think Stannis will have the Boltons on the back foot by the time Jon comes back, and that Euron, Roose or even Stannis, would be more likely Night Kings. especially after the Red Witch betrays him by killing Shereen to revive Jon and proclaim him the true Azor ahai
This ending is too easy. Jon would clear the map before Danny even decided to go west.
Don’t think Jon or Dany are going to be evil in the books I think they’re final chapters are supposed to be them realizing they’re wasting their time playing politics when they should be fighting evil men
Jon will be King in the North, dead or alive.
Jon will be King in the North, dead or alive
Zombie Caitlyn Stark vs zombie Jon Snow
Hello, Elric
Hes going to stay dead because another book won't ever come out.
This book is never going to get finished so it’s never going to happen
It wont happen Georges is not going to finish his book 🤡
He will finish winds.. but we will never see A dream of spring..
@@Tren365Rage even that I am not even sure
Batter up 🪦
No but dany yea
"Torture people (...) or other things that make life beautiful" 🤨 obviously subscrived
Jon is boring in book the show is canon but there's a lot of changes
He is way more boring in the show lol
You think "I want it" is more boring than "I don't want it" lol?
Book Jon is much more smart, strategic, and emotionally complex than show Jon. He's also a more active commander of the Night's Watch, and is put into tougher situations.
Wtf are you smoking to think he's boring 😭
@@aelfreyaewhy he didn't join to stannis? He is dumb and don't have any development
@@nillabeanydid we read the same book