"You're Arrogant and Unrelatable!"
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This week we wrestle with the idea of whether artists and musicians succeed more if they are considered relatable or aspirational. Does it even matter or SHOULD it even matter? We also try to figure out where I fit on that scale. Please, tell me what you think. Also...there are a lot of strange tangental stories in this too. We can't help it, sorry!
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Am I relatable or aspirational?
I would tend to move towards aspirational due to your career however VERY relatable on here.
Keep riding Justin you Legend.
Yeah I'd say so
Both and rightly so. You forgot "inspirational. "
I'd say both
@@ants.446 Now that's a good answer
The sideboard behind you is relatable, my nan had the same one in her council house thirty years ago. Hers was filled with multi-pack bags of Morrison's own brand crisps, a massive stack of Yorkie bars, and a single bottle of advocaat purchased some time in the early 80s.
I will never get tired of listening to these two buds chatting about ANYTHING. I caught myself laughing and smiling at this conversation several times unexpectedly. 10/10 hilarious, rooted in fantastic back and forth of substance.
After feeling run down for an extended period and not having much to smile about in my world presently; I must send my sincerest tip-of-the-hat appreciation to you both, Jenny and Justin, for the much needed warmth today.
Jenny we love you so much, and you work so well with Justin, both of you are a great team to listen to bantering.
She takes no shit. Wow. I think she’s incredible.
I’ve only got 45 minutes into this, but Jenny May Finn you have the patience of a saint! That “Yes, finally!” at 40:16 was *incredibly* relatable! It was driving me crazy how Justin was just not getting it at all! And his fixation on bin bags, compost heaps and laundry would have been really infuriating if it wasn’t so ridiculously funny. With only 35 minutes left to watch, I wonder if Justin will actually get around to answering your question? Can’t say I’m optimistic… 😂😂😂
G’day Justin, Rikki from Australia here. The fact that you have this channel on RUclips and communicate with the fans who enjoy your bands music makes you relatable all on it’s own. We couldn’t do this in the 80s, and having contact with someone of your calibre brings the mystique of a famous person a little bit more down to earth. I absolutely love hearing your opinions, your thoughts and your gripes with the music industry. It makes me enjoy your music, and the human all the more. Thanks.🤘
Agree that this channel makes Justin even more relatable, as he often gripes about things that annoy me as well. (I’m also from Aus)
@@myauralfixationAlso from Australia, and that he takes the piss out of himself also helps him stay relatable.
"Why am I wearing a fake leather shirt"?,
"Rockstar",
That actually made me laugh so hard I blew my tea out through my nose,
Brilliant.
You two together are relatable. A couple of friends having a chat. More please.
Jenny is definitely relatable, the look on her face when you said "but you're from the British isles" was a facial expression all us irish can relate to when someone says that,
Jennys reaction was priceless, "there's only a part of it stuck to us" that's brilliant.
As someone with part-Irish heritage stuck to me, I can relate to the separatist views of Jenny. I'm also part Viking. 🗡️ But I'm working in that, cheers.
@@j_freed oh them vikings were wrong un's, came over here to the british isles, took our jobs and our wenchs and our barrells of Mead, but they had some cool helmets. And I hear their party's were the stuff of legends.
Ireland undeniably is a part of the British archipelago, whether they like it, or not.
@@gpzfan5272 I'm Irish and I agree with you, the island of ireland is one of the British Isles as named by the Romans, just as Iberia and Scandinavia are geographical locations in which different nations exists, most Irish people including myself just have this in-built involuntary reaction to say "we're not British", it's just one of those weird things that gets past down the generations, it always makes me laugh to see this very Irish reaction, whether it's jenny may finn, Phil lynott, or Bono. Although I think most Irish people are happy enough for Britain to claim Bono, we're kinda sick of listening to him.
@@johnnyjohnsonmusic "as a Brit, it always makes me laugh to see this Irish reaction"
Och aye! Ok. Alright.
This is now my favorite thing on RUclips! The banter between you two, the (pseudo) intellectual discussions on major social-psychological themes, and relatable personalities here are just great! Not only are the BOTH of you are relatable, but are “aspirational”. Y’all are awesome!
Great you're guesting on Jenny's show again, Justin. Someday, maybe you'll have your own show.
Very funny and relatable.
J Finn unrelateable. Makes me switch off.
You seem pretty grounded to me, Justin. I definitely do not find you arrogant - at least when out of your comedic character. You also seem empathetic and compassionate at times, which I find relatable.
I went to see Saxon a few years ago and after a build up for the band getting to their places on stage and them all looking like hard rock demons, the lead singer spoke to the audience in an extremely funny and relatable way. He just said "We have come from all the way from Burnleyyyyyy, anddddd, I've got that horrible feeling I've left something on in the house." I just thought it was so funny and relatable...
I saw Saxon at the Roundhouse just the year before last. Fakkin' brilliant. Even if they do look like four Gandalfs on a stage these days.
Really interesting conversation guys! I’d say relatable is someone I can look at and think “I can do that!” and aspirational is someone I look at and think “I’d love to do that and I will try my damn hardest!” and then there’s arrogant which I think is displayed through a lack of self awareness and gratitude!
Love these long form episodes. Keep em coming JHRA team
Thank you for another hour of online therapy, these conversations really make you think. Thank you.
Yay Jenny is back! She's awesome!
Not..
Jenny's expression when you said David Beckham used to be a role model, so perfectly relatable and I had to rewind just to see it again🤣🤣🤣
An artist can be a Rockstar, a larger than life aspirational figure when they are in their craft, but they should still be relatable as a human being when they are not in their element... at home in regular life. When people can achieve a balance of that, that is very desirable than being one extreme over the other.
Love the podcast for sure! I got to say I am counting down till Ren next week. I am totally hooked by him. Thanks for the interview!
This was a brilliant episode. Congratulations as always Jenny May and Justin for your fab work. So much to unpack in each episode! I would consider Justin relatable, especially because of your RUclips channel. Your personality definitely speaks to the 'everyman' who has an interest in music and learning and passion for creativity. Onstage, I would suggest aspirational, you're definitely awe inspiring to watch on stage. All energy and connection with the crowd, primal rawness as well as glam (What a combo!). I think that pseudo relationship thing that Jenny was talking about is real as well! In so far as not knowing someone and mourning them, i.e Diana. I remember I cried like a baby when Bowie died and he was not what I would consider relatable at all, defniitely aspirational or mythical. When he passed I remember people saying things like his music gave them permission to be weird, which I liked and related to. Listening to this podcast, while cooking breakfast, making the bed and doing the washing up was a weird irony. Justin, please empty my compost and do the laundry! I bloody hate doing it - all of it. I do love me some clean sheets and the smell of clean clothes though, but f*ck housework, damnit! Long comment, sorry. Great show again and I look forward to the Ren ep (and other vids in between!). x Also, the J-LO thing is probably down to 'tall poppy syndrome'. We have that in Oz is that a thing everywhere? When we celebrate someone on their rise to the top and then cut them down when they get too big for their boots. It's weird and stupid, but definitely a big thing here in Oz...
❤ This is amazing. You and Jenny have a repartee that is spot on. I have been a fan of yours, since the beginning and Miss Finn is a perfect foil.😂
Am I relatable? C'mon Justin - you're one of the soundest blokes in the industry and after looking up to you (and the band) most of my adult life, this channel has opened you up to us at such a 'normal' level - you're clearly not only amazingly musically talented but highly intelligent and intellectual, also eloquent and extremely funny. I'm a little too old to be starstruck but since I bought Permission To Land on release you're the one bloke I'd truly love to meet. Justin you're sound as f*ck. Even my 9 year old sings I believe in a thing called love cos he hears it pretty much every day because you're played in my house every day. Love you Justin.
The brilliance continues. This really is the best show!!
More thoughts to come. I need to watch and listen again.
A quickie: It was pretty hilarious at the beginning of the JLO convo that the camera shoots to Justin drinking from a gold straw!
Stephen Tyler was relatable in person. Friendly, engaging, generous with his attention. He seemed interested in whether he had met you before or what you did for a living, etc. When it came to the performance on stage, he was absolutely non-relatable because he was absolutely amazing. After the show, he was again relatable. He was 45 when I met him and he was less than reticent about things like only being able to back-flip across the stage once. LOL I couldn't tell if he was counting his lucky stars or disappointed in himself. I was in awe so I said as little as possible, except to tell him that Janie's Got a Gun is a true classic that will stand as a testament to the band's ability to write a truly great song. He appreciated my saying it. At least that's what he said...
The tumbleweed moments when Justin makes a shit pun kill me 😂 it's the vacant look on his face when there's nothing just cracks me up. Love these jaws of victory episodes
Yous radiate sunshine, thank you both for sharing!
Thanks J!
White man spice had me howling 😂
This is fantastic. I don’t know why this is so relatable, but it is.
The thing is, most people just look at the current situation l, they don’t realize the sacrifices or struggles people go through to obtain the success they are currently experiencing.
You are the one, the only, the Mighty Justin Hawkins. You transcend such banal categorizations. ❤
Love you and Jenny you guys are awsome !!!!❤️
Justin I really hope you keep your conversations going with Jennie even when you get rolling and have lots of musical/entertainer guests. I find them very enjoyable and interesting. Love what you’re doing!
lol the bit about laundry...enjoyed this episode, Jenny is great!
I’ve worked on some ultra wealthy famous peoples homes here in Southern California and I think most people would be surprised what these folks are really like. Definitely cured me of ever being starstruck again. Like they say it’s better to never meet your hero’s because they’re probably not who you’ve built them up to be.
Jenny is so cute. She should do her own podcast
Ive never seen anyone who can turn a discussion about an older metal musician not wanting to take the garbage out into a Jennifer Lopez fan fiction about one of her movies in such a dogged manner... Justin was not giving up for anything. That lady (sorry I havent had a chance to memorize her name yet) must be very, very, very...... very patient 😂
Justin bounces between adorably relatable to frustratingly aspirational a dozen times in this video... it was absolutely magical 😊
I clean up after others for a living. I definitely think it’s relatable to not want to do this shit for oneself. My own home right now is
a tragically spot on example for this lil fact. 🥺
I just want to see more of you and Jenny discussing stuff. She's great.
Every second week she’s on the podcast!
@@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain does she sing there? ;)
So happy to see Jenny again! 😊
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You are awesome and relatable,you cheer me up whether you are performing onstage or online.xx
You are very relatable, down to earth, and seem like a normal guy outside of your onstage persona (which is seen daily on your RUclips channel). You're now an online star as well as a rock star, and the channel shows your relatability while just talking normally to the viewers. I get the feeling you would hang out, and converse with a typical fan like myself if I had the opportunity to meet you.
I have met Justin and can confirm he's just that kind of guy. Definitely hangs out with fans, he's just a really nice guy indeed, what probably makes his off stage persona even more relatable.
I think this touches on why some people, famous or not, seem odd or unrelatable. In a perfect world, you wouldn't run across them doing normal, relatable things. But they're not famous, so they have to, and they suck at it.
I met Martin Barre from Jethro Tull as we parked beside a tennis court in Devon. We were out to walk the dog. He wants very approachable and gracious.
I’ve had people act this way to me and I’m not famous. people jumping on stage to people acting disturbing while I’m having dinner with my friend .arrogance is a sign of insecurity to sum it up.❤
Can't really answer the question but Justin you're a legend and we love you! (me & my offspring, that is).
After your Rick Beato interview I started watching your videos. I have kept watching them because inevitably I find you to be witty and I get a laugh from something you comment on. (I do like the interviews best so hope you do more of those) I think you are relatable.....except you talk funny being from the UK!
I’m not a rockstar but I agree, I want someone else to do all of the running around so that I can be creative in both music and art… absolute dream! I absolutely adore the chats between you and Jenny, keep ‘em coming!
Also, you’re both very relatable but I think it’s because of the quirky sense of humour, American celebs take themselves too seriously
Ooo I love de buyer pans!!!
I’m just a high school teacher that makes music in my spare time: whenever possible. I have my own large family to take care of which includes a house full of various chores.
Even if I had the option to have a stand in, it would just feel bizarre. I never really tell anyone about my music and I’m quite content with that, as long as I am recording and keeping a growing roster of songs.
Justin Fucking Hawkins Rides Againnnw🎶🎶🎶🕺🏽
You are both amazing.. serious chemistry. I would watch a sitcom with you 2
Flipping love Longpigs!!!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 So good to hear someone else mention them!! Such a superb band.
I came back to this to watch again. I don't want to sound like a sycophant. But, Jenny is so insightful and intelligent! Every time I listen to one of these podcasts, I learn something!
Jenny May Finn is a great interviewer and a great asset to the show. I think you are an aspirational relatable rockstar. I also agree that I wouldn't think of approaching you in public or anybody else I didn't know, cause that, is just plain awkward and uncomfortable for all involved. Though I once did meet someone "famous" (Marlon Brando) and I had a really normal and everyday conversation with them, as I had no idea who they were. Just a person who was kind to me as I was to them and that is the way I like it and it might possibly be the way to relate to another when you connect with a person whoever they are :)
I believe this gentle spar gains cultural capital. Love this one
This podcast should be called James Hetfield's Bins and I'm addicted to it. I hope Justin puts a bin in the background with James hetfield's face taped to it.
The mystique is diminished when we see every single snap/pic from their phone and know their opinion of every aspect of society 😂 I love Justin for doing these pods, where the light is shone - but at his behest and not incessantly so. 'Stars' that have that unknown magic, that understand privacy, that dont feel the need to dazzle all the time and keep their counsel on a variety of things shine much brighter ✨️ Freddie is an example ❤ there's no way he'd be on Insta, I'm sure he would have loathed that! 😂
Wait unreleased songs on patreon???? *off to patreon*
So much love to you Mr. Hawkins ❤
I freaking love JMF.
Lovely episode! Curious, what is Jenny's academic background? Writing a dissertation on Fandom must've been so interesting! I enjoy Jenny's counterpoints and dig this new long format on your channel/podcast. Glad she will be joining you every-other. 🎸
She has a BA in Communications and an MA in Creative & Cultural Industries
So kind of you to reply!* I saw another comment suggesting she may be a psychologist and I figured she was way cooler than that. *relatable
Jenny May Finn Rides Again!
We’ve invested the most valuable thing in u Justin our time and I love it
The guy who said 'hey I like the podcast' - that's the way a fan should behave. Short, sweet, non-intrusive, not interrupting when you are in conversation with someone else. Just the "I appreciate what you do" is all that's needed. I've never asked a celebrity for a photo, an autograph, any of that nonsense. Anything above the "thanks dude for your contributions" is intrusive. It's called good manners, proper etiquette, being raised right (as we say in the south). In fact, Elton John lived in Atlanta, where I've lived most of my life, and made the comment that he liked living here because people left him alone. It's a shame "celebrities" feel they have to be sheltered away because of intrusive fans.
I think there is a time and place for everything. If someone famous is eating, talking or with their family you shouldn’t bother them. Growing up in Los Angeles you run into a lot of people. My mom always said “they aren’t working - don’t bother them on their time off”. And it’s always stuck with me.
1:05:02 scared poor Jenny 😂😢
When people are jealous of me and they're giving me a hard time, I put my head down pretending to be really bothered and then as soon as I'm by myself, I Smile mischievously
I have no idea who she is, but great podcast!!! Justin you are relatable, I remember when the Darkness hit and were huge, but I think of you really, more as the RUclips guy these days... most youtubers are normal people, it's like going to a party with a few friends and they invite people you don't know but you all get on and everyone is respectful and wants to have a good time. especially post covid, we all got used to being social via social media.
First I said relatable and it's true but that little bit of Spanish Guitar at the end that was definitely aspirational. All your guitar playing is aspirational to be honest. The rest of you is relatable.
That was a very entertaining and at times hilarious chat, thanks to both of you.
Oasis: blokes with bodyguards and lawyers walking around, beating people up. Ok not blokes, bloke.
Just be nice. ❤ Omg, this is what I tell my kids all the time. Love this channel.
Glad to see your City Slickers shirt - hopefully Revenge of the Nerds is still in the wardrobe? I started watching way back in lockdown as you are aspirational, but have kept watching as you are also so genuine and relateable! You can do it all😊 Many thanks, wish i could send you more! Love this channel 💕
Thanks so much Jen!
The key area LOL!!! (in the cat suit discussion)
Ren's cool ... Stimpy was ok too.
Stimpy was cooler. He gave up a tooth for Ren.
A great interview and Banter between you two, I really enjoy these yarns, keep up the great work guys 😊
To answer your question, you are very relatable to me, there’s a warmth your character exudes and an intellect that intrigues, I’d happily kick back and chat about life, the universe and hairdressers with you.
I'm really digging' these podcasts !!
Anyone that can do handstands while clapping their legs is aspirational. Not to mention your pick-kick-catch trick.
Glorious!!!
I think it's a mix of things - I think covid and then currenly cost of living crisis have changed a lot in the way people perceive celebrities. We (the social "we") used to like looking at unattainable, sparkly rock star/diva/crazy celebrity and maybe to some point fantasise about being in that world, just like we fantasise about winning the lottery, but it didn't really clash with our every day lives. Remember that Paris Hilton and that other "bimbo" celebrity girl reality show in which they did like farm stuff and shit while being two super rich entitled girls from extremely wealthy homes? People loved it, they saw it as funny and endearing. But covid hit and we weren't allowed to hold hands of our dying parents and grandparents and now people have to worry about buying groceries or paying for electricity and this sparkly glittery/crazy rockstar lifestyle is not funny anymore. People are tired, scared and worn out and they will look at JLo and her expensive dogs that poop gold and diamonds and they will go "what do you know about real life?". And to be honest I think JLo with her many failed relationships and probably a lot of nasty crap she went through knows quite a lot about real life, she doesn't have to take her own bins out to be a real human. But celebrities haven't yet realised that people don't want those mink-coat-in-the-kitchen public personas, not right now at least. The cult of that kind of celebrity might be dead - temporarily or not. I don't know. I think something has shifted and I think celebrity industry hasn't realised that fully yet.
It’s all brilliant. I’m loving Jenny. And Justin.
Dearly loved the image you conjured of JLo in a velour tracksuit living in a terraced house in Cardiff.. brilliant.
Justin Hawkins doesnt have time to watch tv. Hes too busy ironing and taking the bins out. Hehehe.
"Perfectly pruned Pomeranian".
Oh, and both relatable and aspirational, a nice balance.
Good debate. For what it's worth I think people don't like it when folks think they are superior. Thinking they're better than the rest of us and certain tasks are beneath them. If we're honest we all enjoy to take people like that down a peg and plant their feet back on the ground. Aspiration for me is more about wanting to be like or do something similar. You guys are relatable because you have your feet on the ground. I don't mind that James Hetfield hates taking his bins out. I don't like it either but we still do it. That's relatable. If he said I'm not doing that It's beneath me. That's arrogance and deserves to be called out. If you tell me you don't have time to cook for yourself 'cos you're busy and don't have the time. That's not a problem, I can relate to that. I aspire to be able to pay someone to cook for me. Is it not the same as the old "Do you know who I am" statement that is guaranteed to wind up everyone in the vicinity?
I've got some friends who are really clever, some are musical, some are artists. A few even have a bit of a following in their field and could be termed as being a bit 'known'. But I don't see them as aspirational as they are my peers, I know what they did when they were young/at their worst/most boring. There are many well known/famous/godlike artists and musicians who I adore/feel protective of/would love to kiss/be kissed by etc etc. But I am really happy that they are living in an imagined reality well away from me, where they seem to be creative and free and able to express themselves without being told off too often or seem too much like the pub bore or needy neighbour. Saying that, I do like to try and find out the person behind the creativity, but it is still very removed from 'bin work' or laundry concerns. I think if they came down to my level (ie. were a friend/acquaintance/peer etc etc, the aspirational magic would disappear. So, I love my heroes to be aspirational I guess.
It was actually Top of the Pops magazine that gave the Spice Girls their nicknames 🤓
I love these interviews! Jenny is awesome and totally relatable here. I think Justin is both aspirational AND relatable, and although I don't think both are required to be a rock star (or celebrity, in general), a good mix of these attributes is ideal, as fans can feel good supporting someone who is not only amazing, but humble and real.
I mean, in all seriousness, THAT CHORD is a KEEPER @ 1:46
We all want to see the Neptune swim suit.
I love ironing and cleaning. Not saying I'm entitled not to do it (because I'm actually a peasant) but I find it strngely satisfying and therapeutic.
Another great conversation with Jenny really looking forward to the Ren chat😉
I’ve got one of them menu’s
Is it that music taps into emotions on a visceral level and lyrics connect to common human experiences that's directed the focus to relatability?
I think on some level fans expect artists to continue to express and model behaviours that reflect their own experiences despite being able to afford quite a different lifestyle. The evolution of social media has eroded the kind of mystique you mentioned, Justin.
You’re articulate and inspiring, as well as being an accidental ambassador for tourism in Norway. I must go and witness the black metal folk frolicking free in the forest before they’re all domesticated and wandering in shopping centres.
I met Chris Evans on a train into Waterloo one morning many years ago on My way to work he wasn’t in first class, not in fancy clothes or anything else to say he was a celebrity I said morning Chris and he replied good morning I didn’t snap his picture or ask him stupid questions a really nice down to earth man. He owns the most expensive Ferrari sold at auction but every year he lets sick and disadvantaged children go out in his car collection for free. Relatable, he had addiction issues but spoke about them and freely admitted to them and dealt with them. I have met other celebrities on the train some off whom’s arrogance is absolutely disgusting abusing staff and other passengers demanding what they believe to be their rights due to their self belief of rank.
Justin great channel I come firmly from the eighties era when all rockstars had to have a mansion, helicopter and a pool to wash The rolls Royce in 😂
On the subject of Steven Tyler in public. In the ealry 90s I lived in a town on the coast of Massachusetts. One day, I was in the local hardware store. Ot one point, I heard a store clerk asking if he could help someone. The I heard the person answer, it was a gravely, unique voice. I turned to see who possessed that voice. There, stood a small man wearing sweatpants and a long scarf. His face was as unique as his voice. He was staring intently at some door knobs, then he left. As he neared the door, I saw a woman waiting for him. She was blonde, wearing giant sunglasses and tight, brightly-colored leotards. Somehow, her appearance made me realize that I had just been watching Steven Tyler shop for hardware. I ran home and told everyone I knew. Most of them had grown-up in that town. They affected a paternal attitude and told me that it was Steven Tyler and that he lived about 2 miles form my house.
After that first sighting, I saw him numerous other times, around town. Once, on afternoon of New Year's Eve, I saw a group of young kids riding their bikes. I did a double take when I realized that the boy in the middle was Steven Tyler.
Another time, I saw a man and a woman on a quiet street. They were pushing a baby carriage. As I got closer, I realized it was Steven Tyler and his wife. I tried to respect him privacy by keeping my head facing straight forward while I watched him with my eyes. In hindsight, I'm sure he was watching me, with amusement, from behind his shades.
Having been a huge fan during the band's formative years, I did approach him once. He was very nice, sort of trotted a little to shake my extended hand. I've heard from others that he is usually very accommodating to fans. I only heard one person say that he refused to sign autographs once, and that he was very respectful and asked for people to let him off the hook that day.
I'm 67 now. I'm not subject to the same hero-worship I was when I was younger. Still, there are a few people that I would approach, if it could be done gracefully. I think that, if someone has strived to be famous, they should do their best to accept the attention of those who gave them fame. That said, celebs are people too, they should be treated with the respect all of us wish for ourselves. Meeting a famous person is interesting but it isn't likely to solve any of one's problems or change one in any lasting way.
I saw Elvis....😂😂😂
I found out today from someone I know that used to drive for metallica that James actually IS the type of person to put his own bins out... I had to ask him, pretty sure he thought it was the most random question going until I explained why I asked 😂😂😂 way to look nuts
Great justin to have the lovely and beautiful jenny back again love your chats ❤️ keep up the good work
That was lovely. Just like your very relatable self.
I was confused about the whole chris evans thing until you explained it😂
Another great video,