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  • @Merzui-kg8ds
    @Merzui-kg8ds 10 месяцев назад +545

    People are "democracy lazy". People have been lulled into believing that democracy is an entity on autopilot, and they can sit and watch democracy happen to them. Democracy is a participation sport. Democracy depends on the participation of "reasonable persons". Democracy is kind of like a garden. If you do not watch the garden, tend the garden, water the garden, till the garden, nurture the garden, you will eventually wake up to an entanglement of weeds. What we have now in our country is an untended garden. Soon enough, people will find out what it is like to live without democracy.

    • @jkacz9466
      @jkacz9466 10 месяцев назад +48

      Bingo 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯 and right on point with a lackadaisical mindset has put we, the people in our current mess. Outsourcing jobs through NAFTA, FCC VS CITIZENS UNITED, and a host of other problems is our current fiasco. Politicians have sold the people down the river for a buck.

    • @bartsolari5035
      @bartsolari5035 10 месяцев назад +14

      @@jkacz9466 Panem et Circenses

    • @jkacz9466
      @jkacz9466 10 месяцев назад

      @@bartsolari5035 , That's exactly what America has become. A neverending clown 🤡🎪🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🎪🎪🎠🎡🎢🎢🎢🎢🎢🎢🎢🎢 show. Clowns to the left, and jokers to the right. The two party game system. Really a business party with two factions known as Republican and Democrat. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄. USELESS!!!!

    • @davidhollenshead4892
      @davidhollenshead4892 10 месяцев назад

      NAFTA allowed for more trade between Mexico, America and Canada. People complain that Mexicans gained jobs without considering the US made products they buy. Case in point is household electrical parts. The US got cheaper outlets, switches and wiring but Mexican homes were wired for electricity using US made breaker boxes, breakers, etc. so both nations benefited... @@jkacz9466

    • @greenbeans575
      @greenbeans575 10 месяцев назад +38

      "You don't know what you've got until it's gone" (re: democracy) will be a rude awakening for half of the citizens of our country if he is reelected.

  • @letsRegulateSociopaths
    @letsRegulateSociopaths 10 месяцев назад +725

    We can't "move on" from an insurrection that is STILL ONGOING

    • @NopeUghUghAbsolutelyNot
      @NopeUghUghAbsolutelyNot 10 месяцев назад +61

      The Southern education system is one way they've kept their insurrection alive and well

    • @kevinjenner9502
      @kevinjenner9502 10 месяцев назад

      Coups are best left to the experts…CIA Coups overthrowing the sovereign governments of Iran, Guatemala, Congo, Dominican Republic, S Vietnam, Brazil, Chile…

    • @lynnerose7891
      @lynnerose7891 10 месяцев назад

      It’s been ongoing since the CSA.
      What do you think white nationalists are?

    • @4huntinfun
      @4huntinfun 10 месяцев назад +39

      As far as I'm concerned, Trump should be permanently exiled to Somalia.

    • @bobbart4198
      @bobbart4198 10 месяцев назад +31

      @@4huntinfun .. Why the HELL would THEY want him ? ..

  • @elizabethcowles7535
    @elizabethcowles7535 10 месяцев назад +309

    I also blame President Ford for pardoning President Nixon.

    • @dweb
      @dweb 10 месяцев назад +23

      Indeed. Accountability abstained for a certain set of entitled citizens.

    • @trinleywangmo
      @trinleywangmo 10 месяцев назад +17

      Always had me wonder what Nixon lorded over him... or was it, that his advisors told him, not to "set precedent"?

    • @newyawkgiants5877
      @newyawkgiants5877 10 месяцев назад +12

      Same with Lincoln,kind hearts get taken advantage of and abused. You want to be nice, but then the taking keeps on going. I’m dealing with ungratefulness now.

    • @newyawkgiants5877
      @newyawkgiants5877 10 месяцев назад

      Kennedy assassination-LBJ/Hoover were attempting to destroy the country;peace and equality. Lincoln N-Illinois Johnson S-Tennessee
      Kennedy N-Massachusetts Johnson S-Texas.
      Ended Reconstruction Assassinated Civil Rights leaders. How many Voting oppressions do we need? How many Civil Rights Acts do we need?

    • @johnnyllooddte3415
      @johnnyllooddte3415 10 месяцев назад

      nixon was never indicted,, he resigned

  • @madarab37
    @madarab37 10 месяцев назад +35

    Davis was imprisoned at Fort Monroe in a room with an American, not Confederate flag. The room is currently empty. Trump should be the next tenant.

  • @kollettebryant3432
    @kollettebryant3432 9 месяцев назад +20

    Thank you for your INSIGHT and speaking to the issue of not being held accountable. I'm a black American and have ALWAYS wondered WHY the Confederacy was NOT prosecuted for crimes against America. I'm a mother also. I know that when someone, even a child, is not corrected appropriately for wrong doing, it emboldens them. They think maybe there is NO punishment after all, and then they go a little further/deeper into wrong practices and deceive themselves into thinking they can get away with whatever. I believe that's why those who sympathize with the Confederacy feel they can so loudly and publicly proclaim their belief and behavior. IT HAD NOT BEEN DEALT WITH! And, we again suffer the consequences disproportionately! Right the wrong, please.

    • @buelan.6525
      @buelan.6525 9 месяцев назад +2

      You are absolutely correct. And he keeps proving he’s above the law and will take revenge on anyone who disagrees with him. And, like a bad dog who’s never corrected, he only gets more and more aggressive and dangerous.

    • @tinynijman9077
      @tinynijman9077 9 месяцев назад +1

      I totally agree with you !

    • @Iprevail1972
      @Iprevail1972 8 месяцев назад

      Right what wrong, and how? Who would you go after? What you are implying is as abhorrent as what the Civil War was fought over. Are you so polarized and ignorant that you’d support genocide because of your woefully misinformed opinion? Or is it something else? Shame on you and those who think like you.

    • @ericvanjames8395
      @ericvanjames8395 5 месяцев назад

      🤔. . . 👍

  • @willstorm8331
    @willstorm8331 10 месяцев назад +334

    It would have taken an army to keep the jury safe but we wouldn't be facing another trump admin and Nixon would have gone to jail.

    • @rickglorie
      @rickglorie 10 месяцев назад

      America, like every country, has skeletons in the closet that if not adressed come out every once and a while.

    • @rodanone4895
      @rodanone4895 10 месяцев назад

      i feel the same. let the unrest occur. then quell it outright and aggressively.
      I'm tired of people in red hats holding this country hostage...
      do people not get that Lincoln was assassinated to prevent that trial from happening among other things... remember the vice president was a Democrat named Andrew Johnson. this was supposed to make it a reunion instead of reconstruction...
      the far right is always rabid, and the left lets them... look at bush in Florida. gore really won. look at the supreme Court, they let the GOP run all over them with fake rules.... this is the historic rabid nature of greed in this country.
      they tried to coup Roosevelt, they killed the kennedy boys, they killed MLK and Malcolm X...
      what you point at is just another example of squashing progressive politics in America to "keep civility"... while one side is anything but with impunity over and over.

    • @sharongillesp
      @sharongillesp 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@debmccorkle4845 ???????

    • @kennethc2466
      @kennethc2466 10 месяцев назад

      I thank these hosts for openly admitting rich white men in power are above the law that would, and have, jailed poor people who have no power.
      Time to realize, Americans, your are the serfs of the King and their Lords. Demand otherwise, or forever be serfs.
      "Immunity for my friends, the law for everyone else'
      -a famous fascist dictator

    • @PaulaMion
      @PaulaMion 10 месяцев назад

      T rump didn't order the Reserves like any other SANE person would have.@@debmccorkle4845

  • @kkrolf2782
    @kkrolf2782 10 месяцев назад +93

    COMMENT, JILL LAPORE … We Americans are NOT just shrugging off Jan6 as “oh, well…turn the page…”!!! WE’VE BEEN WAITING IMPATIENTLY, though quietly, FOR OUR “ hired help “ TO SHOW THEIR TRUE COLORS!! We WANT JUSTICE!! We want the SAME KIND of JUSTICE that EACH & EVERY ONE of US PEONS would receive if WE INSTIGATED an INSURRECTION!!

    • @tonyjones1560
      @tonyjones1560 10 месяцев назад +4

      This comment 👍🏾👍🏾🫡🫡 Joe Sixpack might be about to receive his 10,000th waterboarding session in his cell in a CIA black site…if he could last that long.
      He certainly wouldn’t be out here campaigning for re-election and talking “mad cash shyt…”

    • @lisaahmari7199
      @lisaahmari7199 10 месяцев назад +10

      Excellent comment. MILLIONS of us agree with you.

    • @LeeZaslofsky
      @LeeZaslofsky 10 месяцев назад

      The main restraint on proper legal treatment of Trump is the fact that he has millions of supporters who would react with violence if he were denied bail.
      The other restraint, available only to the rich and powerful, is the slowness and pettifogging of law enforcement and the judicial system. Trump has played the system so that it has taken almost three years even to get trial dates set. And it's clear that of his four indictments, only one looks likely to be tried before the election, and he's working to postpone that one too.

    • @tim196868
      @tim196868 10 месяцев назад

      I love people calling the people on January 6th insurrectionist. 1776 people raged war against the mother country Britain and they were insurrectionist Against tyranny. This country was founded on insurrectionist But we called them Patriots back then. Something I think we all should think about in my opinion. God bless America and truth will prevail.

    • @Paul-ng4jx
      @Paul-ng4jx 10 месяцев назад

      Four years later will eight years for Trump. He’s always complaining about something the same bullshit he did in 2016 the same bullshit he did when he lost in 2020 and now he wants to become a dictator day one. That’s what he’s been saying it all is rallies I’m gonna be a dictator day one we don’t want a dictator in our country that means you’re taking everybody’s freedom away and the United States isn’t United no more, he’s gonna be the end of the world. If he gets the president we might as well worry about World War III starting up and all of us are dead.

  • @chrisjohnston4165
    @chrisjohnston4165 9 месяцев назад +49

    I have been saying that the Confederacy was never effectively dealt with after the Civil War and that is why we are in such a bad place in this country, and I just happen to run across this writer for the New Yorker, Jill LePore. WOW I am so glad I saw this.

    • @dthom4719
      @dthom4719 9 месяцев назад

      Someone was just on pbs speaking on this hes done a book and he said the same they shoukdnt have been jist let off and even rewarded after the civil war. Now theyre out to do it again after Jan 6. If they had been punished as they should of been perhaps history wouldnt be repeating itself. Stop all that sedition and treason in its tracks

    • @markschulte-b4f
      @markschulte-b4f 8 месяцев назад

      It's bad education that caused this.

    • @markschulte-b4f
      @markschulte-b4f 8 месяцев назад

      The south is stuck. They need to move forward, but are afraid to remove the old famous buildings, their claim to fame. Consequently, rot ensues, and poverty.

    • @PJ-qf9qr
      @PJ-qf9qr 8 месяцев назад

      Yep. And we had the rise of KKK terrorism and oppression against black Americans; the rise of The Lost Cause of the Confederacy mythology; the rise of monuments to the Confederate States of America; and the creation of a full-blown racial caste system known as Jim Crow laws.

    • @DearOldMom
      @DearOldMom 8 месяцев назад

      Book recommendation: _How the South Won the Civil War_ by Heather Cox Richardson

  • @orangeofmars2835
    @orangeofmars2835 10 месяцев назад +77

    Looks like the Supreme Court can now put an end to the whole question by rightly ruling that a former President is not immune to prosecution.

    • @melissahouse3488
      @melissahouse3488 10 месяцев назад +1

      Just like they sided with your baby butchering holocaust... They want to avoid death. They will let him run. Otherwise Biden will be removed, it will lead into civil war. Evidently that is what democrats have declared for some time now.

    • @matthewstearns289
      @matthewstearns289 10 месяцев назад

      If they don't that means Joe Biden can do whatever he wants.

    • @dthom4719
      @dthom4719 9 месяцев назад

      Asap if the supreme bums i mean court doesnt make sure the treasonous ex pres isnt tried and never let to be pres again then we know we are over run by seditionist bought and paid for judges and we better stop it or americas over as any sort of democracy.

    • @irmasimmons172
      @irmasimmons172 9 месяцев назад

      REALLY ?

  • @PoggeB13
    @PoggeB13 10 месяцев назад +190

    If we average American citizens had done what Trump did-including defying subpoenas and gag orders-we would be in jail.
    That's the whole point of holding him accountable. No one should be above the law.

    • @oneleggedguy
      @oneleggedguy 9 месяцев назад

      @bluesroom1 proof maga, evidence, facts , nothing in 3 years can you nasty thug Rep can find! You need education or prison, thinking you were there 3 years ago ?

    • @mosijahi3096
      @mosijahi3096 9 месяцев назад +5

      @bluesroom1what ?

    • @jacksimpson-rogers1069
      @jacksimpson-rogers1069 9 месяцев назад +1

      Not only that, but This One should be below the Indian caste of the Untouchables.

    • @lwells3937
      @lwells3937 9 месяцев назад

      The Rosenbergs got executed for handling one document. Trump stole boxes and boxes

    • @rcampbell4967
      @rcampbell4967 9 месяцев назад

      Do you believe the same about the alleged crimes of Biden? What about Hilary Clinton who the Justice Department flat out said committed a crime with her private server which was hacked by China when she was SOS? I'll save you the trouble of replying. You don't.

  • @nancyroth
    @nancyroth 10 месяцев назад +79

    Actually my faith is very shaken from trump straight to our Supreme Court Justice system 😢😢

    • @drugsdelaney2907
      @drugsdelaney2907 10 месяцев назад +1

      Illegal system

    • @Val-uy2me
      @Val-uy2me 10 месяцев назад

      @nancyroth As it should be. Who thought women would lose bodily autonomy & half the country would be okay with it?! How many Americans ever thought January 6 could happen? Unless US citizens vote in record numbers in 2024 for the Democrat party, we could lose it all.

    • @josephbelisle5792
      @josephbelisle5792 10 месяцев назад

      With vast amounts of just cause. No President is without corruption but Trump is brazen about it. We have a Congress that does nothing but go fishing for evidence on the current President. And SCOTUS is openly saying its fine to receive bribes. We have Presidents and Congress who appoint right wing religious justices who lied prolifically during their vetting for the position. I could go on for days on how our government doesn't follow the law or act in good conscience or for the benefit of who they are supposed to serve. And it's the fault of both parties though the worst belongs to the Republicans. Trump is a symptom of this corruption and a threat to make it so much worse.

    • @cynthiashaw45
      @cynthiashaw45 10 месяцев назад +8

      Clarence Thomas shouldn’t decide anything involving the insurrection. His wife might be charged at some point.

    • @nancyroth
      @nancyroth 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@cynthiashaw45 she needs to be charged 😠😡😤

  • @brysonwest93
    @brysonwest93 10 месяцев назад +65

    Amanpour and Company is always worth the time. Thank you.

  • @DotrOfDt
    @DotrOfDt 9 месяцев назад +6

    Thank you to these strong smart women for laying out the issue so thoroughly well!

    • @irmasimmons172
      @irmasimmons172 9 месяцев назад

      When you publish your book I will purchase 10 copies

  • @frederickrapp5396
    @frederickrapp5396 10 месяцев назад +17

    The most important words from this interview were at 13:05. “It has to be done....We have no choice...” That says it all.

  • @kevinjenner9502
    @kevinjenner9502 10 месяцев назад +15

    GW Bush was tried in absentia by the International Commission of Jurists in Geneva. “The invasion of Iraq was neither in self defense against armed attack nor sanctioned by the UN Security Council authorizing the use of force by member states and thus constituted the Crime of War of Aggression”

  • @robsaxepga
    @robsaxepga 10 месяцев назад +82

    I think a more appropriate analogy would be letting Nixon get off with breaking the law. While that wasn't an assault on the republic, it was breaking the law and the government let him off the hook. That set a dangerous precedent.

    • @SnapGrunt2
      @SnapGrunt2 10 месяцев назад +2

      He got off with a presidential pardon after stepping down😳 hopefully trump can step down before the end of his first term

    • @fett713akamandodragon5
      @fett713akamandodragon5 10 месяцев назад

      @@SnapGrunt2 If you really think anything will happen to tRump once he's in, and that he would even consider stepping down or leaving office after his next term is done, you're to naive to be helped.

    • @Acekhan201
      @Acekhan201 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SnapGrunt2 gotta ask, in what world you think TFG is capable of that?

    • @SnapGrunt2
      @SnapGrunt2 10 месяцев назад

      @@Acekhan201 Lemme ask tf is TFG?

    • @melissahouse3488
      @melissahouse3488 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@SnapGrunt2You mean Biden. Let's pray!!! 🙏🏻❤️🇺🇲❤️🕊️🇵🇸

  • @shirleyashanti3031
    @shirleyashanti3031 10 месяцев назад +81

    I am still mad about Reconstruction because America took the wrong stance, and we've been stuck in the mire and digging out of the muck to no solution ever since. This is a dysfunctional country.

    • @virginiamoss7045
      @virginiamoss7045 10 месяцев назад

      Well, it was about white supremacy then and it's about white supremacy now, still.

    • @DennisMSulliva
      @DennisMSulliva 10 месяцев назад +16

      @shirely Yes. The army should have stayed in the south indefinitely to protect black people.

    • @debhurd8898
      @debhurd8898 10 месяцев назад +16

      I completely agree. The federal government went way too easy on traitors.

    • @soundshaper
      @soundshaper 10 месяцев назад +4

      We're one of many, my friend. China looks great on the surface, gleaming and majestic cities, best mass transit systems, but it also has a poor population, people who have no control over their lives, much like our minorities.

    • @Moamanly
      @Moamanly 10 месяцев назад

      @@debhurd8898 They did it again in the 1940s when a group of politicians collaborated with Nazis in a plot to launch a coup.
      Gutless lack of moral fibre.

  • @judykinsman3258
    @judykinsman3258 10 месяцев назад +26

    This Supreme Court has lost all credibility!

  • @John-zn4lp
    @John-zn4lp 10 месяцев назад +16

    This is a fascinating conversation, and one I can't believe hasn't been brought up before. I've said from the beginning that Trump would have been let go and forgotten if he had just not run for president again. The same would have happened to Jefferson Davis, if he had run again, and he should have been held accountable just like Nixon should have, but neither was running for president again. In Trump's case, we are at "third time's the charm," and he should be held accountable, period.

    • @flyrobin5255
      @flyrobin5255 10 месяцев назад

      It's like America just moved on from it's corrupt Presidents until we found one that is too stupid to just go away. Trying to to avoid the consequences of his personal court cases put him squarely back to face his government misdeeds.

    • @susanbengston3208
      @susanbengston3208 9 месяцев назад

      Absolutely!

  • @philipcollier7805
    @philipcollier7805 10 месяцев назад +285

    Rule of law doesn't mean jack sh!t if we let Trump walk.

    • @christophernadzeika7288
      @christophernadzeika7288 10 месяцев назад

      He'd have to be convicted of actual crimes; not the trumped-up BS that the corrupt DOJ and the state attorneys are attempting to use.

    • @KeithRowell-ix2qg
      @KeithRowell-ix2qg 10 месяцев назад

      So Biden and his family should be in jail

    • @orlock5510
      @orlock5510 10 месяцев назад +7

      Thankyou

    • @howard7689
      @howard7689 10 месяцев назад +9

      First you have to be able to provide evidence of a crime that you didn't just make up

    • @KeithRowell-ix2qg
      @KeithRowell-ix2qg 10 месяцев назад

      O shut up. Biden and his family are going to jail. Ha ha ha .

  • @steffski1946
    @steffski1946 10 месяцев назад +41

    If cheeto man sinks his teeth into the Presidency this country is done

    • @david4096
      @david4096 10 месяцев назад

      Yea cause we probly will have a civil war if he win.

    • @Chulitatr
      @Chulitatr 10 месяцев назад

      It's doomed if the SCOTUS justices 'don't' uphold the constitution and disqualify Trump from office nationwide.

    • @HKGunPlay
      @HKGunPlay 10 месяцев назад

      @@david4096there will be one if he loses. Either way we are screwed. Demonrats want to prevent people from voting because their opinion that Trump committed an insurrection even though it never happened 😂I want you to think about this. If they really wanted to over throw the government why would they go without weapons or means to do so. Why would Trump tell them to protest peacefully and to go home once chaos started. Why do you think it was peaceful until police shot pepper balls into the crown why won’t the don tell us how many feds were there that day. It’s was all a coup plan to hurt trump. Why would Nancy pelosi documentarian daughter be there to film her reactions because it was all planned. Regardless the election was fraudulent and it’s easy to see. What I don’t understand is how Hillary can still claim her election was stolen while Trump can’t. America and the righteous will win. We will make America great again with Trump as our leader. We will stop putting feelings over facts. We will stop paying for illegals and wars we ought not be apart off. We will stop forcing Americans to go green while the rest of the world passes us by because we out source everything even the weapons that defend us. We will bring manufacturing back to America and become self sufficient. Biden has deliberately destroyed our country. He has openly stated he wants to replace white people and make us the minority. They want America to be a melting pot of the world and to destroy American culture as we know it. What I don’t understand is why. Why do they hate Americans so much. Do you care for your neighbors more than your own family

    • @alexandermayakovsky6550
      @alexandermayakovsky6550 6 месяцев назад

      Cheeto Man? He dead.

  • @74artgrrl
    @74artgrrl 10 месяцев назад +38

    That photograph @7:20 is incredible. They’ve got their hands situated on their fellows shoulders. That’s a solid visual statement for unity. Just… wow.

    • @74artgrrl
      @74artgrrl 10 месяцев назад +6

      The expressions on their faces in that moment in time. There’s a lot of courage and determination there. My god.

  • @gwine9087
    @gwine9087 10 месяцев назад +44

    If presidential immunity exists, why did Ford pardon Nixon?

    • @gregwalker6281
      @gregwalker6281 9 месяцев назад

      There's a difference between pardon and immunity

    • @bipl8989
      @bipl8989 9 месяцев назад +2

      A pardon cannot be accepted without an admission of guilt. Immunity means that you may never find out about guilt.

    • @PJ-qf9qr
      @PJ-qf9qr 8 месяцев назад

      You forgot to mention the pardon of the president of the Confederacy.

    • @lordgarion514
      @lordgarion514 8 месяцев назад +1

      @bipl8989
      You're wrong.
      A pardon can't be given without a crime being committed, but the president can absolutely pardon someone before they're even tried.
      Is called a preemptive pardon.
      With some exceptions, if a crime has been committed, the president can pardon someone, or someones of that crime with no admission of guilt.

    • @bipl8989
      @bipl8989 8 месяцев назад

      @@lordgarion514 It's not wrong. I said "accepted" not "given"..

  • @Thrankson
    @Thrankson 9 месяцев назад +22

    The cost of NOT holding Trump will be greater than any temporary respite the nation may enjoy, I think.

    • @Ahtaht227
      @Ahtaht227 9 месяцев назад +1

      that’s a fact. I’ve been saying rip the band aid off and get it over with. This year will be wild😔

  • @76carmel
    @76carmel 10 месяцев назад +129

    When I was taught about the Civil War in school, a lot of us asked, “What ever happened to Jefferson Davis?”

    • @jeangriffith8017
      @jeangriffith8017 10 месяцев назад +20

      Davis walked out a stockade FREE AS A BIRD.

    • @ocularpatdown
      @ocularpatdown 10 месяцев назад +18

      Unfortunately, he got away with all of it.

    • @JP-vs1ys
      @JP-vs1ys 10 месяцев назад +26

      we never even learned more about him than he was the leader of the Confederacy. All the emphasis was on the military battles, not culpability. Shows you ALOT about who was teaching doesn't it?

    • @jeangriffith8017
      @jeangriffith8017 10 месяцев назад

      Yes the post Civil War period is rarely taught in the lower grades. And taught primarily in graduate seminars. So your point is well taken. A middle school student graduates knowing nothing about what happened to Davis. Reconstruction is rarely mentioned if ever. @@JP-vs1ys

    • @cdjhyoung
      @cdjhyoung 10 месяцев назад +21

      @@JP-vs1ys Teaching history has always been about the wars, not the peace that followed. Criticizing your high school education fails to realize that that part of your education is to give you an overview of our history. The library in the middle of town is where you go to discover the details.

  • @grumpyolddude439
    @grumpyolddude439 10 месяцев назад +153

    One key difference being...Davis was not President of the United States.

  • @ernestchacon4928
    @ernestchacon4928 10 месяцев назад +217

    Back in the 1800s there wasn't social media so the times have changed. Why America doesn't get a hold on trump is way beyond me, he's a damn criminal.

    • @Yose7492
      @Yose7492 10 месяцев назад

      Why is a criminal? Because your leftist propaganda machine told you so? These 2 idiots are out of their minds

    • @nosuchthingasshould4175
      @nosuchthingasshould4175 10 месяцев назад +4

      The question is ‘which America?’ He is a leader of one side in a cold civil war, and the other side prioritises not letting the war go hot over winning.

    • @wokeness420
      @wokeness420 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@nosuchthingasshould4175the half that cares about democracy

    • @nosuchthingasshould4175
      @nosuchthingasshould4175 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@wokeness420 that means you have to defeat the other half.

    • @herzfeldji
      @herzfeldji 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@wokeness420Do they care about democracy or just holding on to power? I doubt either side cares all that much about democracy.

  • @ThatMakesSenseToMe
    @ThatMakesSenseToMe 9 месяцев назад +4

    Amanpour and Co just never misses. Every video of theirs I have seen it is so refreshing to let experts be given air time to speak. Thank you for all the work you do.

    • @KennedyCopy
      @KennedyCopy 9 месяцев назад +1

      it's layered meaning is definitely beyond MAGA and for actual grown ups

  • @franciscopenaranda180
    @franciscopenaranda180 10 месяцев назад +29

    Now that we see the product of not prosecuting the law, the courts have to make sure that it doesn't happen again. The judges have to quit hiding under their desk.

    • @danjohnson6800
      @danjohnson6800 10 месяцев назад +3

      Amen to that the reticence to making a forceful decision and settling these issues is rampant. Never seen such a duck and cover crowd!
      No courage to do what needs to be done unless it wasn’t done a hundred times before.
      Same mentality as letting a gunman run amuck for an hour in a school rather than taking the risk, going in and taking him out.
      The no balls sit on a throne pontificate and declare oneself important while doing nothing.
      “Managing” a situation means by definition continuing the status quo. Which in an ongoing assault of any kind means the aggression will continue to take ground.
      If you never fight back and end it, the bastards take the hill, wear you down and you lose.
      Being defended by people without the backbone to take flak, get hit, and still get in there and take down the offender is just nauseating.

    • @Paul-ng4jx
      @Paul-ng4jx 10 месяцев назад

      They’re not gonna do that though they’re gonna keep hiding their heads under the desk because they don’t want the public backlash coming at them you go against Trump the media fucking hit them hard their families get threatened and everything else and half these people are in their 6070s and 80s so they don’t care anyway they have nothing left to losebesides your pride and dignity and they’re not gonna do that over speaking up against your colleagues that would be blast me

  • @mgbilby
    @mgbilby 10 месяцев назад +67

    Grateful for this interview, one of the most insightful tours of Reconstruction era politics I've ever heard, and for the conscientious connections to and appeals for the nation dealing openly and honestly today with the Jan 6 insurrection.

    • @markbeames7852
      @markbeames7852 10 месяцев назад +1

      18 minutes hardly constitutes an, "insightful tour." You need to start reading textbooks (plenty at used bookstores) and auditing some college lectures.

    • @PG-wz7by
      @PG-wz7by 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@markbeames7852 Don't be an old scold

    • @markbeames7852
      @markbeames7852 10 месяцев назад

      moi@@PG-wz7by ?? 😌

  • @deepsixman
    @deepsixman 10 месяцев назад +36

    I'd be interested to know if she thinks Ford letting Nixon off the hook is another notch in the same belt?

    • @pjpredhomme7699
      @pjpredhomme7699 10 месяцев назад

      how can anyone not think that - I thought it then - I think it now - they did all that revisionist BS - kennedy center courage award to Ford for pardoning him - it was directly responsible for the obvious measurable decline in the executive . Each succeeding republican president has been more illegal , worse how can anyone draw any other conclusion .

    • @bartsolari5035
      @bartsolari5035 10 месяцев назад +4

      it's politics, same o, same o...both sides of the aisle love it

    • @lynnerose7891
      @lynnerose7891 10 месяцев назад +3

      She says it was because of the abandonment of Reconstruction.

    • @lisaahmari7199
      @lisaahmari7199 10 месяцев назад

      I think it applies far better here. Nixon was a sitting Prez OF THE US. Davis was not. Pardoning the criminal Nixon set this precedent more than anything else.

    • @lisaahmari7199
      @lisaahmari7199 10 месяцев назад

      ​Surprising to see such an ill-informed comment as yours on a PBS thread. We must assume you are a MAGA troll.

  • @r.b.roberts9747
    @r.b.roberts9747 10 месяцев назад +21

    Amazing! What an incredible discussion between Michel and Jill. Then also what an extraorinary lecture by Jill. All said, what a phenomenol episode!👍

  • @jamesjackovich5886
    @jamesjackovich5886 10 месяцев назад +13

    Davis didn't run for president after the civil war either

  • @upAcreekCAM
    @upAcreekCAM 10 месяцев назад +112

    This is so important! What an incredible set of historical facts and insight. Thank you Amanpour and Co!

    • @flickwtchr
      @flickwtchr 10 месяцев назад

      So you didn't notice the rhetorical "Those are very strong words" putting the notion of holding Trump accountable on the defensive? I certainly noticed it and it is par for the course for Amanpour and Company that services everything neoliberal (Reaganism, Thatcherism, Neoliberalism......all the same thing) and will shift to a fascist Trump approved media outlet in a heartbeat.

  • @MrEerwin
    @MrEerwin 10 месяцев назад +25

    There is never a way to 'move forward' without moving through and dealing with the hard choices offered in the scope of one's existence. This piece of brilliant work shows this eloquently. There is a clear path from the Civil War through Watergate of our country's failing to live up to its most scared ideals. Prosecute Trump and his minions, at any and all cost, or give up any notion of taking American Democracy, The Rule of Law, and our identity and self-image as Americans seriously. This is the choice being offered to America, perhaps one last time. Will we fulfill a vision of ourselves worthy of our legacy and being, or slither away in a false comfort of 'healing' and 'moving forward'? Let's hope the Court is up for this task now before them, less this opportunity fail and add to more great weight and hardship, borne by the historical American. Thanks to Amanapor and Company for their continued great work.

    • @CJScrol
      @CJScrol 10 месяцев назад +2

      You have to evaluate & accept what really happened before it’s possible to “move on.” 😮

    • @Chulitatr
      @Chulitatr 10 месяцев назад

      An official who took an oath to uphold the Constitution ONLY has to be 'engaged' in insurrection or rebellion, 'not' convicted. Trump and the Republicans brought this upon themselves, and knew these charges were coming 3-years ago. The world watched the insurrection live news and the evidence is overwhelming. America & the Constitution & Rule of Law before any billionaire.

    • @frederickrapp5396
      @frederickrapp5396 10 месяцев назад +1

      Brilliantly stated. You very eloquently express the thoughts and feelings of millions and millions of average Americans.

  • @I-Have-Fire
    @I-Have-Fire 10 месяцев назад +173

    One thing about this article really stood out…the idea that at one time the Republican Party was once committed to equal rights. What happened?

    • @johnlee-master6916
      @johnlee-master6916 10 месяцев назад

      And when did Democrats stop being committed to free speech? What happened?

    • @jonnieinbangkok
      @jonnieinbangkok 10 месяцев назад

      And the Democrat Party was for racial segregation and discrimination...and still is only reversed! #MAGA2024 #LetsGoBrandon

    • @marymccluer1630
      @marymccluer1630 10 месяцев назад

      When Johnson, a Democratic president, signed civil rights legislation into law at the behest of MLK Jr., Southern whites felt betrayed and left the Democratic party for the Republican party. Blacks felt the civil rights legislation was a step in the right direction and they joined the Democratic party. Thus, voters had switched parties.

    • @doorsfan173
      @doorsfan173 10 месяцев назад +51

      Liberal Republicans died out or were absorbed by the other party. Parties in the past were very different, and were far less politically homogenous. Your region would determine more about your politics than your party affiliation a century ago. I am deeply oversimplifying, but the Civil Rights Movement and efforts around equal rights was a huge accelerant on polarization and ideological-sorting of American party-politics that we currently suffer through. Think of Strom Thurmond, a Southern Democrat, becoming a Republican in support of Goldwater's presidential candidacy in 1964 (mainly due to shared opposition of Civil Rights); Thurmond was never a socially liberal guy even though we connote Democrats with liberalism in 2023. It just wasn't always the case. Southern Democrats at large were often quite socially conservative, against Civil Rights, pro-Jim Crow etc. Their roots were in the Democratic-Republican party, formed after the founding, and were largely constituted by the "yeoman farmers" (mostly of the South) that Jefferson spoke of in our earliest years as a nation.
      New Deal Democratic presidents and many New Deal Democrats (not all) were liberals that moved towards Civil Rights along with their liberal Republican colleagues like, just as an example, Thomas Dewey. Republicans fractured, you had the socially liberal Republicans of the Civil War, Reconstruction eras, and so on. As time passed, socially/politically Conservative Republicans like Goldwater, Nixon via the Southern Strategy (his economic policies were more politically eclectic), Reagan reinforcing this with his "welfare queen" rhetoric, courted socially conservative Democrats to the Republican party & this also courted the Christian bloc as well.
      Again, this is a huge oversimplification of decades and decades of American history, but the TLDR is that the ideologies of supporting/opposing equal rights never died, but what changed was where those supporters and opposers of these ideas chose to affiliate. They've largely sorted entirely within the parties. Obviously, not all modern social conservatives and liberals are supporting the exact same ideas of their past counterparts though. Ideas, norms, and goals of the movements change with every generation, it isn't one-to-one.
      Just an edit - obv have to gloss over tons of points, can't account for every exception, and need to make big generalizations since this is only a RUclips comment. People write whole books and make whole academic careers out of this question.

    • @kshepard52
      @kshepard52 10 месяцев назад +12

      Time passed and people and politics changed.

  • @oldreprobate2748
    @oldreprobate2748 10 месяцев назад +26

    Let's make sure Trump is the test case by him going to prison for the rest of his life.

    • @darbyl3872
      @darbyl3872 10 месяцев назад +1

      Great insight, not at all biased. What's it like following the herd?

    • @johnmccarthy9391
      @johnmccarthy9391 9 месяцев назад

      You assert "bias" where none has been brought forward. The evidence of Trump's criminality is painstakingly outlined and enumerated in the charges laid forth in all FOUR indictments which were returned by federal and state grand juries in FOUR different jurisdictions.
      I suppose you've read the indictments? Care to comment on the evidence?
      I thought not. @@darbyl3872

  • @OpticsOnOrganisms
    @OpticsOnOrganisms 10 месяцев назад +41

    Fascinating information from Jill Lepore...great interview...thank you

  • @trinleywangmo
    @trinleywangmo 10 месяцев назад +7

    Justice delayed is always justice denied. That's just how it works out.

  • @RichardLoomis-k7x
    @RichardLoomis-k7x 10 месяцев назад +3

    Jill is wonderfully spoken!!!!
    👍👍

  • @prestonbacchus4204
    @prestonbacchus4204 10 месяцев назад +39

    Probably the US Supreme court will be deciding this issue: Can any current or former POTUS be barred from holding office under the 14th Amendment or not? Surely the answer must be yes.

    • @susanbengston3208
      @susanbengston3208 9 месяцев назад +1

      The Corruption plagued s.c.

    • @prestonbacchus4204
      @prestonbacchus4204 9 месяцев назад

      Yep. They are going to be tested. We will have to see how it goes.@@susanbengston3208

    • @johntobin3235
      @johntobin3235 9 месяцев назад +2

      You might want to listen to some legal scholars who can explain a number of Constitutional defenses Trump has.
      Bias is the enemy of facts…
      It helps to get a full story before forming an opinion. Listening to those with similar political opinions doesn’t bode well for objective reasoning.

    • @prestonbacchus4204
      @prestonbacchus4204 9 месяцев назад +2

      "I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779-vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state."

    • @johntobin3235
      @johntobin3235 9 месяцев назад

      Try reading the 14th amendment. It helps to some extent. There are many strong legal arguments against its usage against Trump or any President in fact.

  • @davidcertain2492
    @davidcertain2492 10 месяцев назад +113

    We are not safe as long as he’s on the ballot

    • @utubefreshie
      @utubefreshie 10 месяцев назад +20

      THAT is the problem. And he needs to be taken off it! And the 14th amendment is even more crucial in that regard.

    • @lindahoganson8721
      @lindahoganson8721 10 месяцев назад

      @@utubefreshieCould US voters decide, democratically, to dissolve our democratic republic?

    • @ArchaicAnglist
      @ArchaicAnglist 10 месяцев назад +2

      In the general election of 1860, ballots weren't printed by each state but rather by nspapers: a voter would locate the ballots that showed his choices and submit those at the polling place. In ten Southern states, it was difficult or impossible to obtain a ballot with Lincoln's name on it - yet Lincoln still won the general election nationwide and in the Electoral College. That result underscored the fact that the era in which Southern power and money could dominate national politics and force the acceptance of slavery nationwide had passed, and it's no accident that states started seceding practically before the ink was dry on the newspaper front pages.

    • @davidcertain2492
      @davidcertain2492 10 месяцев назад

      @@ArchaicAnglist interesting. Your point?

    • @david4096
      @david4096 10 месяцев назад +5

      Lock the plauge they call Trump up.

  • @verified.my2cents
    @verified.my2cents 10 месяцев назад +49

    For those with the high expectation that "justice" will be served, this is a real reminder of how "justice" has not been effectively and evenly provided throughout the history of the United States, so don't "expect" it now. Complacency is not your friend.

  • @theresalee9392
    @theresalee9392 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for your insight Jill Lepore!

  • @Ijs5803
    @Ijs5803 10 месяцев назад +7

    Loved the reflection on McConnell self interest. Would love him to hear it.

    • @robinantonio8870
      @robinantonio8870 6 месяцев назад

      McConnell is an evil self serving man who could have stopped Trump from running again by pressing forward on impeachment and declined to do it.

  • @KittLove_K3
    @KittLove_K3 10 месяцев назад +71

    Two months after the dismissal of Jefferson Davis' case in Richmond, the question of secession's legitimacy found its definitive answer. In April 1869, the Supreme Court declared in Texas v. White that the Confederacy's act of secession had been "absolutely null." This resounding statement was further solidified in Williams v. Bruffy (1877), leaving no ambiguity about the illegality of secession. These landmark rulings stand as the unshakeable pillars of American unity, ensuring that the question of a state's right to secede remains firmly buried in the past.

    • @Rob_Moilanen
      @Rob_Moilanen 10 месяцев назад

      Tell that to that MTG woman who wants to divorce herself from the USA. The Confederacy is very much alive cause of mealy mouth bullshit about being fair to TFG. The USA must never let that southern bullshit rise again to sully those whom died to beat down the rebellion...

    • @aliceputt3133
      @aliceputt3133 10 месяцев назад

      Except our Radical Corrupt Supreme Court doesn’t follow past Court findings.

    • @timothymeehan181
      @timothymeehan181 10 месяцев назад +10

      Lincoln, as usual, weighed in, and brilliantly, on this topic of this so-called “right of secession” in his tour de force “Message to Congress in Special Session, July 4, 1861”, which should be read by every American…🙏🇱🇷🎩

    • @cdjhyoung
      @cdjhyoung 10 месяцев назад +5

      Thank you for this bit of history. But, would it be possible for the Country to boot a state from inclusion in the union? Just a thought. The leaders in a few of them are really making a case for exclusion from the benefits of being an American.

    • @lynnerose7891
      @lynnerose7891 10 месяцев назад

      Unless you’re from TX.

  • @barbaradobson9298
    @barbaradobson9298 10 месяцев назад +13

    Ok excuse my ignorance…. Jill Lepore is a distinguished Harvard professor and prodigious writer. I have been living under a rock but have now ordered several of her books to rectify this. Looking forward at 74 to be her student via the written page.

  • @garethcroson8851
    @garethcroson8851 10 месяцев назад +29

    Of course, Trump wants to use the trial to make his case. So what? Everyone who ever went to trial was trying to make their case. That's why we have trials. In the case of Trump, the sooner the better.

  • @MichaelJung-o6w
    @MichaelJung-o6w 9 месяцев назад

    Ms Lapore: Thank you, for your research and, most of all, your conclusions. I agree with you 100%.

  • @catherinereynolds9644
    @catherinereynolds9644 10 месяцев назад +9

    Yet, drumpf swore an oath to our constitution.

  • @charlottetracy3970
    @charlottetracy3970 10 месяцев назад +27

    Jill Lepore is one of my favorite historians.

    • @JP-vs1ys
      @JP-vs1ys 10 месяцев назад

      too middle of the road for me. trump is a damn disgrace and criminal. say it emphatically. all these mainstream media voices dance around what any decent person can see with their own eyes.

    • @grouchomarxist666
      @grouchomarxist666 10 месяцев назад +1

      Mine too. I just read "This America: The Case for the Nation." It was eloquent.

  • @letsdance4078
    @letsdance4078 10 месяцев назад +9

    Jill Lepore is an amazing writer. If you have not read her books on US history, do! Exceptional.

  • @sharongillesp
    @sharongillesp 10 месяцев назад +12

    What a phenomenal nation we could have been.
    Imagine the unity among nations it would have spawned.
    Few of any wars.
    Climate control worldwide.
    LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS would have reigned across the globe.

  • @hayesdabney
    @hayesdabney 6 месяцев назад +1

    Amanpour and Company fill in all the information I should have learned while in elementary, middle and high school in the USA.

  • @Dorothy47
    @Dorothy47 10 месяцев назад +4

    The South seceded because of the unequal treatment in Congress toward the South related
    to the National Revenue of which the South paid more.

  • @take5th
    @take5th 10 месяцев назад +7

    We screwed up end of civil war, screwed up on Nixon. Let us not do this again.

  • @loogoo
    @loogoo 10 месяцев назад +22

    Well, here's our chance to finally correct that 150-year-old mistake.

    • @dweb
      @dweb 10 месяцев назад +2

      Indeed. Accountability for a certain set of entitled citizens.

    • @mrkkg27
      @mrkkg27 10 месяцев назад +1

      All original parties are long deceased. So are you advocating punishment to individuals for the crimes of their father’s father?

    • @loogoo
      @loogoo 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@mrkkg27 oh please - of course not. But a precedent was set then which has ramifications today, and that is what needs to be addressed.

    • @mrkkg27
      @mrkkg27 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@loogoo What kind of accountability are you suggesting that would not entail punishment in some form? What set of citizens?

  • @Merzui-kg8ds
    @Merzui-kg8ds 10 месяцев назад +21

    14th Amendment wasn't passed until 1868, a little more than 3 years after the Civil War ended.

    • @lynnerose7891
      @lynnerose7891 10 месяцев назад

      Wow….I didn’t know that…….
      Oh wait, we all knew that.
      They barely even mentioned it bc it’s immaterial.
      She also mentioned that it was ratified after the end of the war. It wasn’t going to happen within a month, much less one year later when Lincoln was assassinated.

  • @joemalonski5004
    @joemalonski5004 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great Job Ms Martin and Ms Lepore. I look for the insights this helps.

  • @JSmithDad
    @JSmithDad 10 месяцев назад +6

    You can't get past a thing without going through the thing. Avoidance neither teaches nor tempers.

    • @dweb
      @dweb 10 месяцев назад

      Indeed. Accountability abstained ever since for a certain set of entitled citizens.

    • @Ryan_Christopher
      @Ryan_Christopher 8 месяцев назад

      “Or” not “Nor.”

  • @barbaradobson9298
    @barbaradobson9298 10 месяцев назад +43

    Jill Lepore is brilliant ! I learned so much listening to her. Now I’m looking forward to her book. She should be a teacher because she brings history alive ! I stand in awe of this young woman.

    • @dwightmagnuson4298
      @dwightmagnuson4298 10 месяцев назад

      Suggest Cynthia Nicoletti's book.

    • @charlesreynolds8795
      @charlesreynolds8795 10 месяцев назад

      How did you not already know all that. Nothing informative here.

    • @Val-uy2me
      @Val-uy2me 10 месяцев назад

      @@charlesreynolds8795 I absolutely guarantee you that most Americans are clueless on our early-American history. FFS -- we are now a nation that can't agree on facts & a guy like Donald Trump is revered by millions. Half the country thinks Joe Rogan & Alex Jones are really smart. They don't know who Jill Lepore is & could care less about US history. Save your snark and superior attitude.

    • @rexgressett-o5u
      @rexgressett-o5u 10 месяцев назад

      Jill Lepore is a fake historian and an intellectual mediocrity. Just thought I would mention it

    • @dbadagna
      @dbadagna 10 месяцев назад +1

      She's almost 60.

  • @NopeUghUghAbsolutelyNot
    @NopeUghUghAbsolutelyNot 10 месяцев назад +11

    Yes, Davis was the main topic for the sect 3. This is when MD Senator asked why President wasn't specifically named in sec 3 of the 14th. The question of it applying to presidents was asked, answered, and unchallenged. This is why I don't understand the confusion of if it applies to presidents. They clearly said yes it does in the 1800s

    • @eastbaystreet1242
      @eastbaystreet1242 10 месяцев назад +2

      SCOTUS will not miss that detail in their analysis.

  • @janetsecchi5070
    @janetsecchi5070 10 месяцев назад +5

    I really enjoyed this conversation.

  • @atanacioluna292
    @atanacioluna292 9 месяцев назад

    Amazing! Wao, I have felt this but could have never understood why I felt this way. Thank you for this personal catharsis.

  • @laurief.9638
    @laurief.9638 10 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent, and I absolutely agree. Bravo for writing that article.

  • @thomasjamison2050
    @thomasjamison2050 10 месяцев назад +28

    History repeats. First as tragedy, second as farce. - Karl Marx

    • @lisaahmari7199
      @lisaahmari7199 10 месяцев назад +2

      In this case: both.

    • @thomasjamison2050
      @thomasjamison2050 10 месяцев назад

      @@lisaahmari7199 The Civil War was tragedy. This time it will only be farce unless Trump manages to get elected and sworn in. Then it will be tragedy. He can't destroy the country, it will ultimately destroy him, but he can do a lot of damage along the way.

    • @louroc425
      @louroc425 10 месяцев назад

      Comedia tragedia

    • @cliffordpearsonjr.9748
      @cliffordpearsonjr.9748 10 месяцев назад

      Yep.....biden sure IS a farce!

    • @rsotis
      @rsotis 9 месяцев назад

      Only imbeciles quote KM.

  • @mossydog2385
    @mossydog2385 10 месяцев назад +11

    Jill LePore is incorrect, at least in this instance. The _country_ does _not_ "want to move on" - politicians do, and they do for two reasons, they believe that they are our betters and deserve privilege that no ordinary citizen enjoys and they don't want to be held accountable for their own treachery and utter lack of ethics or morals. Is there a danger that politicians could receive unjust, political prosecutions? Yes, but there are myriad ways of avoiding that. Are _some_ people held in thrall to the cult of trump and might they commit acts of violence? Yes, unstable, gullible and violent people have always existed and yet we have prevailed. I strongly believe that it's far more the privileged few who see their own behaviour reflected in trump that "want to move on" because, in one way or another, they want to preserve their privilege which, once again, no other citizens enjoy.

    • @mossydog2385
      @mossydog2385 10 месяцев назад +1

      ..

    • @lynnerose7891
      @lynnerose7891 10 месяцев назад

      No she isn’t.

    • @cynthiashaw45
      @cynthiashaw45 10 месяцев назад

      She is wrong if she thinks we want to let trump go without making sure this never happens again. Trump and his helpers need a good reason to stop running roughshod over the will of the people. We need to exercise our right to vote in the republican primaries to shutdown MAGA from reelection. They need to see us making a clear statement that we can and will pull together to be heard. We didn’t invent this system but we better learn how to work it. Our vote is the only real tool we have. Spend it wisely. Stop being political sheep. Nobody married a political party. It’s not possible to be unfaithful.

  • @TheJojo01902
    @TheJojo01902 10 месяцев назад +7

    I think what Lepore says is this - it is a very uncertain business to put a former president on trial, there are no guarantees of acquittal or of conviction, but to do nothing (to have no trial) calls into question the entire legal system on which our nation is based. Or, to do nothing is extremely messing and to do something is extremely messy.

    • @susanbengston3208
      @susanbengston3208 9 месяцев назад

      She said it’s Absolutely Necessary to hold tfg accountable, No Choice but to Prosecute him Fully!

  • @nancytarter5725
    @nancytarter5725 9 месяцев назад +1

    Historian Jon Meacham in his latest book "And There Was Light: Abraham" explains Robert E Lee experienced no trials in the Civil War because Abraham Lincoln and General Ulysses S. Grant felt the Country had experienced enough troubles with so many soldiers suffering and dying. How can anyone compare Robert E Lee or
    Jefferson Davis with the background of Donald Trump?
    Where is America these days heading? No honesty or integrity . So sorry Christiane Amanpour you even showed this on our wonderful program.
    🤤

  • @RogWhat
    @RogWhat 10 месяцев назад +4

    The interviewee suggests that the failed case against President Jefferson Davis has been ignored by historians, but this is not true. Historians have generally noted that the government dropped the case against Jefferson Davis because they were afraid he had a strong case and would win. The government did not want to risk losing in a courtroom what had been gained on the battlefield.

    • @Iprevail1972
      @Iprevail1972 8 месяцев назад

      So true. The Constitution was adhered to then. They remember how our nation started. With civil disobedience, then insurrection, then a fight to remove tyrannical authority. Our Declaration of Independence clearly states the necessity of throwing off the yoke and the lawfulness of such acts. So does The Constitution. It was hypocritical then to say it could not happen if the circumstances were the same as in 1776. So now it is illegal to protest the government now? It is easy to claim such when you are the said government or a supporter. Then again. Democracy works this way or it would not be Democracy. What you are proposing is a nation with one political party with all others outlawed and dissent quashed and dissenters jailed or worse? Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.

  • @joannevandyke5112
    @joannevandyke5112 10 месяцев назад +25

    Trial by jury is all we have left in our democracy we can have faith in.

    • @bartsolari5035
      @bartsolari5035 10 месяцев назад +1

      O J Simpson

    • @letsRegulateSociopaths
      @letsRegulateSociopaths 10 месяцев назад +2

      You obviously don't know how our "justice" system actually works. Threatening defendants with 10 times the charges just to get them to plead guilty (even if they are innocent) is not justice

    • @julieb7785
      @julieb7785 10 месяцев назад +2

      Well...there's the Innocence Project. A probably not-large-enough safety net.

    • @evinchester7820
      @evinchester7820 10 месяцев назад +1

      And access to the courts is slowly being taken away from the people with so called "tort reform" which places tiny judgements that can be awarded to the plaintiffs.

    • @cynthiashaw45
      @cynthiashaw45 10 месяцев назад

      Then get off your butt and vote in the Republican primary to stop him. We decide who goes to Washington. We need to decide better. Stop worshiping political parties, and start electing people by their records. Prove that they are tax paying citizens that have committed no crimes Trump couldn’t pass that test prior to 2016. If you are not ready to block the reelection of MAGA at the local, state, and federal level in the republican primary….why not? Christie 2024 🇺🇸 you can go blue in the general election after you help stop MAGA.

  • @dejuans1328
    @dejuans1328 10 месяцев назад +6

    Unprecedented times call for unprecedented actions.

  • @susanschaffner4422
    @susanschaffner4422 10 месяцев назад +5

    Excellent interview and historical background.

  • @motionattached
    @motionattached 10 месяцев назад +2

    The situations are different: not putting Civil War Confederate President on trial was a healing process for our wounded nation. Now Trump is on trials, it is the matter of incompetence of judiciary people.

  • @pablopeter3564
    @pablopeter3564 10 месяцев назад +2

    A bright woman talking, it was worthy to listen her.

  • @1dash133
    @1dash133 10 месяцев назад +6

    The fact that prosecutors chose not to proceed with the trial of Jefferson Davis over a century ago has no effect on the trial of Donald Trump today. That is just playing a game of "what ifs" in trying to compare the two. The differences between the two cases are much more striking than their similarities.

    • @susanbengston3208
      @susanbengston3208 9 месяцев назад

      We Know they’re Both Racists and Traitors.

  • @SergioAndrade77
    @SergioAndrade77 10 месяцев назад +6

    Trump is well beyond disqualified

  • @MrMagi95
    @MrMagi95 10 месяцев назад +5

    That’s the problem today, They moved on and we have this mess now.

  • @kevynnedallaire1815
    @kevynnedallaire1815 10 месяцев назад

    *What a profoundly knowledgeable and articulate guest! She is spot on! Well said!*

  • @jeanniebuckmaster1158
    @jeanniebuckmaster1158 8 месяцев назад +1

    She articulates very well

  • @teresalegler2777
    @teresalegler2777 10 месяцев назад +4

    Excellent interview. Lots of good points.

  • @JJMHigner
    @JJMHigner 10 месяцев назад +16

    Henry Wirtz was The only Ranking person from the confederacy officially tried and convicted of war crimes equivalent and hung at his trial due to his horrific treatment of prisoners at andersonville. New york had a similar prison but no one was convicted over that. Anyways, Since he was a swedish national technically speaking it probably didn't offend anybody.

    • @ShankarSivarajan
      @ShankarSivarajan 10 месяцев назад +5

      _Vae victis,_ as the old saying goes. The same kind of "victors' justice" was dispensed against Germany after the Second World War .

  • @Tom-zg9te
    @Tom-zg9te 10 месяцев назад +9

    We don't have kings in America. That is also the reason why non-native people come to America in the first place. Everyone is equal in front of the law.

    • @tonyjones1560
      @tonyjones1560 10 месяцев назад +1

      It looks increasingly like some people are more equal than others…

    • @DaemonJax
      @DaemonJax 10 месяцев назад +3

      Some people are just more equal than others.

    • @caffetiel
      @caffetiel 10 месяцев назад

      Meme. Equality before the law has never been the rule, even if some people have held it as an ideal.

  • @oftenlucid
    @oftenlucid 8 месяцев назад

    What a pleasure to watch two informed people have a conversation in a long format. I had never put this current case together with the Reconstruction. That is a very apt comparison.

  • @ranz2355
    @ranz2355 10 месяцев назад +2

    When a nation is trying to unify it makes no sense to vilify the former leader of half its populace.

  • @suzannehewett2688
    @suzannehewett2688 10 месяцев назад +3

    before women got the vote--Jill Lepore thank you for your research and insights

  • @Saturday8pm
    @Saturday8pm 10 месяцев назад +4

    What we have here are a myriad of examples of when The Law had no balls.
    🇺🇸

    • @david4096
      @david4096 10 месяцев назад +2

      Cause of money .If he dident have money on his side he allready be locked up.

  • @richarddetriquet9642
    @richarddetriquet9642 9 месяцев назад +3

    This topic is very interesting. The temper of the post Civil War times is very challenging for us to understand. My difficulty with most discussions revolving around the Civil War is that issues are often obscured by our 20/20 hindsight and entangled within contemporary political and social issues. In 1865, there was a real danger of massive political violence in the South and that the peace might only be maintained through indefinite military occupation. The fear was that a protracted insurgency might result. The country had already paid a huge human cost and was tired of war. Overwhelmingly, people North and South, wanted to move on. Of course, there was a price paid in leaving many issues unresolved. The 2021 attack on the Capital and The Civil War are vastly different affairs. To lump them together does a disservice to understanding either.

    • @kal2487
      @kal2487 9 месяцев назад

      Thank you for being logical about this.

    • @richarddetriquet9642
      @richarddetriquet9642 9 месяцев назад

      @@kal2487 Thank you. The underpinnings of the riot at the Capital may require years to get some perspective and make sense of. I'm reminded of a question asked of Chinese leader Chou En Lai in the 1970s. He was asked by a French reporter if he thought the French Revolution had been successful. Chou answered: "I dont know...its too soon to tell".

    • @kal2487
      @kal2487 9 месяцев назад

      @@richarddetriquet9642 I'm not expert but I took a Civil War history tour, and my understanding is their main consideration was wanting to stop the horrific bloodshed, which was shocking even back then. The January 6th event is a completely different thing.

    • @richarddetriquet9642
      @richarddetriquet9642 9 месяцев назад

      @@kal2487 You're right. Imagine over 700,00 Americans dead. And our population then was around only 31 million. Thanks again. I hope you stay interested in learning
      .

  • @leslieacoca5876
    @leslieacoca5876 10 месяцев назад +1

    Wonderful...Thank you Jill. I did not know this history.

  • @kbrewski1
    @kbrewski1 10 месяцев назад +1

    Uhhh, the author is missing a HUGE point. Davis was President of the Confederacy, not the US. He took an oath of office to support and defend The Confederate States. He never swore under oath to support and defend the US Government. He was fighting against the US Govt once the Southern states seceded.
    That is EXACTLY WHY the Victors, ie the US, passed the 14th Amendment to prevent anyone who engaged in ACTS OF INSURRECTION or SUPPORTED OR AIDED AN INSURRECTION who had taken an oath of office (small or large) to support and defend the Constitution of the UNITED STATES to be barred from holding any office in the future. Since Davis was not in that circumstance (as Schlump is), the lack of effort to bar him or convict him never took place, because the 14th Amendment was passed AFTER THE CIVIL WAR. So the Davis case is not really parallel to Schlump at all. They should have tried him for any criminal acts they could pin on him, but that didn't happen for the racial reasons as stated.
    Over 600 people have been convicted of various criminal acts of insurrection, inciting a riot, giving aid and support to rioters, threats, unlawful use of weapons and arms and CONSPIRACY to do those acts. Schlump was the leader, the Mob Boss, the Charlie Manson who planned, executed, ordered, encouraged and directed what to do on Jan 6. Its all on video, audio etc. I sure as heck hope Jack Smith pins these various CRIMES against Schlump too, because he needs to be found guilty and held accountable. We HAVE to demonstrate that NO PERSON IS ABOVE THE LAW. If Schlump is not found guilty of these criminal acts, or he isn't even tried, this will become a Fascist Totalitarian Evangelical Christian Nationalist America faster than you can say Mein Kampf.
    But people keep confusing a "conviction" for treason or insurrection with the purpose of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment Section 3 does NOT require a conviction, no language mentions a conviction is necessary. Its up to each Secretary of State to determine what candidates QUALIFY to be on the State ballot to run for ANY public office. A trial is not necessary. A conviction is not necessary. The available evidence of insurrection or aid and support for others engaged in insurrection is plentiful on video, audio, letters, phone calls, witness statements and depositions. Most of the most important witnesses have given testimony in the Jan 6 hearings. If the various Sec of State determines that Schlump engaged in, incited, aided or supported an insurrection in any way, they can disqualify him from being on the ballot. It would be best if the Supreme Court (in normal times) would resolve any disputes or confusion among the States and enforce what the 14th Amendment provides, but this Court is so knee deep in scandal, political motivations, and possibly helping trying to overturn the election themselves I fear what 5 of those idiots may do. They could destroy this country.

  • @usernameaz602
    @usernameaz602 10 месяцев назад +4

    This isn't about faith in the justice system to arbitrate the truth
    Its about stopping a specifically articulable existential threat represented by Donald Trump.
    If your preferred method for doing that can not actually stop that threat from realizing its objective, then it is insufficient to deal with the threat.

  • @jimscott6678
    @jimscott6678 10 месяцев назад +4

    It is remarkable how much she leaves out. A book by Davis’s prison doctor detailing his mistreatment in prison shifted public opinion in his favor, as did discovery in Confederate official correspondence of ample proof that Davis tried hard to improve conditions for Union POWs.

    • @dfitzerl
      @dfitzerl 9 месяцев назад +1

      So, by being good you can avoid being tried?

  • @brendasmart553
    @brendasmart553 9 месяцев назад +5

    Very enlightening, eye-opening information here, thanks! So much has been ignored and/or with-held from us on our political past, it is amazing that there's even more yet to be revealed...

    • @Ahtaht227
      @Ahtaht227 9 месяцев назад

      Watching this after his appeal hearing yesterday gives me some hope that we will continue moving forward in holding trump accountable

  • @twhite8308
    @twhite8308 9 месяцев назад

    Great interview/conversation. I come here for the smart people. I want and expect them to be smarter and more informed than me.

  • @soniatriana9091
    @soniatriana9091 9 месяцев назад +2

    Wow!! Nothing beats an amazing Intellectually Logical presentation!! This was an outstanding conversation between 2 highly educated women!! Thank you!!

    • @Ahtaht227
      @Ahtaht227 9 месяцев назад

      Yes gives me chills this is the best if more people watched pbs we would be in a better day

    • @rsotis
      @rsotis 9 месяцев назад

      They are two imbeciles. Nothing correct was actually presented. The leftard is merely parroting the communist propaganda.

  • @karinlarsen2431
    @karinlarsen2431 10 месяцев назад +6

    Bravo Jill

  • @deborahedelman2659
    @deborahedelman2659 10 месяцев назад +7

    Great discssion...thank you!

  • @basketballsteve54
    @basketballsteve54 10 месяцев назад +5

    In the case before the Colorado supreme court to exclude Trump from the ballot, Trump's lawyer answered a judge's hypothetical by saying that Jeff Davis could have run for and been elected as president of the USA after the civil war (he also argued that Obama could not be barred from running for a third term).

  • @senecaute6072
    @senecaute6072 10 месяцев назад +2

    Really important contribution to our current political conversation! This was news to me - shows how the prosecutions of Trump are even more vital to the survival of democracy than I'd thought.

  • @rontauranac
    @rontauranac 10 месяцев назад +1

    1:58 "Davis was not president of the United States, he was president of the Confederacy but..."
    Game Over.