Should this have been warrantied? 2018 Honda accord head gasket replacement.
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Nice job. Owner won't do future oil changes.
It says a lot about Hondas Engineering. It's amazing that anything survived. People, oil can't go 100k.
Respect to you, the dealer, and Honda for replacing the chain and the phasers. Yes, they were needed, but you could say they were serviceable. That poor car will die with the oil and filter you just put in it
Years ago I got a free "good will" transmission for a nine year old 2001 Odyssey with 130k km. I paid $1500 for the install, Honda corporate provided the transmission for no charge. Honda work to cultivate customer loyalty and protect their reputation. The van also had a perfect maintenance history, which helped.
I'm doing piston and piston rings turned into a short block while I was working on this accord. Almost 8 year old and is getting covered.
remember, Honda wants no bad PR. seen goodwill on stuff just like you're doing , but the goodwill may have been down to 10% warranty, this is the upsetting part because you go from retail to warranty and the customer could have paid less at a good non dealer shop for same repairs.
I like the honesty here.
While the guy was neglecting the car pretty much he was entitled to the gasket replacement.
I would replace it at no charge but charged the guy for the whole cleanup.
Nice video. Thank you!
Geezzz Louise, what a sludgy mess! For someone who has been diy changing my oil since my teens, now a senior, neglected maintenance hard to comprehend. How this is covered under warranty a real puzzler for me. Perhaps because owner paid for extended warranty. I own and have owned a fair number of Hondas, can't imagine any of them in this condition. Excellent tear down rebuild video, well worth the watch. 👍As regards maintenance going forward, I don't believe the owner will change a thing. SMH!
The vehicle owner will continue to neglect this car until a catastrophic failure occurs….guaranteed.
@@deplorablelibertarian Agree 100%. All he learned from this, my lack of maintenance got covered under extended warranty.
I've had 2 hybrids lately one accord 32k and one crv 15k both needed head gaskets and both looked just like this. The 15k had history of oil changes. Wild.
Thank you. I doubt customer will change their car maintenance habits. Your video is much appreciated.
It's boggles the mind that people will spend good hard earned money on a car and completely neglect maintaining them. It would be hard to not want to give this customer some post repair education.
AMEN! Then u have ppl bragging no need to change oil less than mfg requires.
Seriously wtf
I took care of mine and the head gasket failed at 137K. The first sign you have a problem your oil pressure sensor and actuator will fail and the vtc spool valve will get sludgy even with proper oil changes and I change mine at 30% or 3500 miles; the second issue will happen not so far long and that’s the cylinder misfire, luckily enough for mine I was losing coolant through the exhaust/combustion chamber. If you own a Honda accord 1.5 or 2.0 you need to use high octane fuel 93 due it being a turbo car. This person here should not own a car and they drove their right into the ground and I wouldn’t even touch it because clearly they don’t care.
I have the same issue. Repair quote from Honda is just under $5500.00. Dealership sent in a good will application. 57k miles 5 months out of warranty. Regular maintenance at jiffy lube. Hopeful because I’m still paying for the car. What a nightmare. I hope Honda helps me.
Great job! Nice video with clear video shots that get down to a real overhaul. I have two Hondas with those 1.5T engines and I never let the oil run more than 5k miles. Most of the time, I change the oil before 5k. One is a 62k and the other is at 38k. Both run great. I do notice that the oil gets dirty prematurely and that's why I keep on top of that.
Great video with good explanations. Your engine knowledge and skill are amazing. Maybe put engine sludge in the title/keyword as they seem to get a lot of hits.
same story.... my outer tie rods on my 2018 accord need replacing.
I got the same car, I’m extremely picky with my oil Changes, always on time, and when I opened the engine to replace the head gasket, the oil looks just like the video, It is the head gasket, not the oil changes. How to avoid this problem? Use 93 gas or buy a 2006 Camry. This Engine use a turbo and the turbo needs better quality gas, the presion in the engine is to much for the Crapy design on the head gasket and thats gas under pressure mix with oil and make the sludge, you can also use the sea foam engine treatment and run the car 200 miles and then oil changes at least twice a year
Why are you worried about whether it’s covered or not? Just do your job and fix it. These head gaskets are a common issue on this engine, whether you change the oil or not. That’s like saying they didn’t change the oil so their wheel bearing won’t be covered. Unrelated. I’ve seen these head gaskets fail at 30k with regular oil changes. Makes no difference.
Seriously all these comments saying they didn’t take care of their car. I babied tf out of my car premium gas oil changed all the time & I have a blown head gasket at 80k miles these are lemons smfh stay far away from Honda now
@@kimbberryPlease file a claim with Honda USA and report to the Attorney General. So we can get a recall
@@GodGunsGills already did they did nothing about it
Sure will come back after warranty expires , with same issue.
Thank you for the video
He won't change the oil. He will trade it in ,in about a year 😊
Honda and Acura have always been good to us for covering warranty work in warranty periods, but also for goodwill for known issues. For example, replacing the transmission on our 06 TL 100km after Acura Plus extended warranty expired (yes about 100 kilometers). We had it serviced regularly though at the dealer. Later we bought a new TLX
As for the Accord owner, they need to be educated on maintenance. Otherwise they’ll find out the hard way
It's kind of an ugh feeling to see somebody effectively rewarded for neglecting maintenance.
I know how you feel but I have no choice but to do my job.
His job is to fix it his opinion is not of consequence the own should be informed by the service writer of his improper maintenance.
_"It's kind of an ugh feeling to see somebody effectively rewarded for neglecting maintenance"_
When you've been raised to do the right thing (but everyone else does the opposite or doesn't give a shit)... 😢😢😢😢
Kinda like politics... just sayin'...
You cant go by service records as I've done the oil changes on all my cars for the past 20 years. I buy the filters online and the oil at walmart or costco.
Yeah man those chain guides look very good considering the environment they were in...
My 2009 bmw 528i with 262740 miles looks clean as hell. I change my oil every 3k at my bmw dealer.
I did a complete engine in a 2.4 accord a few months ago. No oil change for 24k miles. Extended warranty covered a complete long block from Honda. Owner was an idiot-but I got paid.
Customer should pay for the additional work of cleaning and replacing other parts needed
I have a 2018 with a bad head gasket! It drinks about a cup of antifreeze per week.
That sludge is incredible did they every change the oil?
While the valve cover are off and before doing any cleaning you should bring the owner in and show him why Honda would warranty this kind of neglect.
lol if is was an Audi/VW or BMW the timing guides would have left the chat.
Good to know Honda is using high quality ones.
Who at Honda did the owner have to blow to get that repaired under warranty? I bought a used Cadillac years ago that was throwing cam codes and needed new chains. Initially the dealer said it was covered under warranty. The next day I get a call that they took a valve cover off and saw what you saw, and warranty is denied. Pay $2500 if you want it fixed or $500 for the tear down so far. After some back and forth with the service manager we agreed on one hour labor and I would tow it out of there the way it is. I took it home and fixed it myself.
You should open your own small shop, similar to RUclips channel “Toyota maintenance”.
Dealerships do not appreciate thorough techs
It has been on my mind for a while now. But 💰 is what's really holding me back.
@@theoffroadingmechanic take the risk. Small shop. Word of mouth will fly that a mechanic actually cared
Head gaskets going on these Honda 1.5T engines are notorious. Its not about the oil changes its about poor design!
I'd have a hard time believing that installing a new short block is more expensive than rebuilding that nightmare.
I’m so tired of service managers and warranty admins caving into customers demands. The customer is not always right. Manufacturers need to tighten down the rules for goodwill warranty
The customer's habits will not change!
Nicely done/attention to details. Too bad u couldn't flush oil first. Not a big believer in it but all that sludge. It's sad, all your hard work & they won't take care of it. They'll sell it, & some poor sucker will buy it with tons of problems. U also saved them from a big turbo bill. GUARANTEED turbo would have burnt up. 👍
This is what pisses me off about people when they later go on to say “oh Honda’s are not reliable” or “Toyota’s are not reliable” or whatever make they currently drive but they ABUSE the maintenance part of owning a car. Even Honda’s or Toyota’s can have major repairs if people decide to neglect the maintenance.
Awesome content! It’s sad to see cars neglected like this!
I own a 2013 RDX almost 90K miles and getting ready for spark plugs soon. Question, do the new plugs require adding anti seize to the threads, also what is the proper gap setting ? Also what is the torque foot lbs torque spec for new spark plug install? I definitely plan on going OEM for the plugs. Thank you!
No the spark plugs already come with a special coating and do not need anti seize. That was for back in the day when they made cylinder heads out of cast iron and would rust and cause those plugs to seize or snap when trying to remove them.if you get OEM Honda/Acura spark plugs they come pre gap they usually have something wrapped around the electrode to protect it from damaging the tip. Is your rdx a V6? You might want to check after 60k miles we do it at 80k kms usually they loosen up and blow spark plugs. Just recheck that they haven't backed off from vibrations. For some reason the V6 does that. And on the fits. If your changing them for the first time you might notice some are kinda loose.
@@theoffroadingmechanic I appreciate all your valuable feedback! Thank you! Yes it is a V6 (3.5). What would the foot lbs torque setting / spec be for the new plugs? Ty!
The owner does not disserve the service warrantied rendered here at zero cost - this is a direct result of failed maintained follow up's and it will continue to go down the same path.
Now with the denied recommendation for much needed brake work & steering components, they are putting other drivers on the road at risk/danger.
It must be a good/long time customer who buys cars frequently, pays full price, and adds (high profit) extras like high profit extended warranties. 💲💵
Mgmt knows customer will be buying another car soon and to lose a good customer over something customer thought was covered by the warranty would be foolish.
Dude got really lucky. He obviously doesn't appreciate his car much.
Part of the unknown here is how long the head gasket had been leaking. If the owner had been just topping off the coolant for several years and changing the oil according to the computer the engine could still accumulate a lot of sludge.
Your employer does not properly manage payroll. Leveling pay between paychecks is a no-cost way of preventing techs from quitting.
They should have seen that your paycheck was low because of the jobs-in-progress and advanced some of the pay for the jobs to be completed in the next pay period.
We just get everything thrown at us and to get things done pretty much.
Wow! Consequences of neglecting basic maintenance!😱
Probably only seen a few oil changes.
This is similar to the ford ecoboost engine with the grooves between the cylinders, causing coolant to pool inside and damage the head gasket. Yes the owner was negligent but most likely he would have suffered the same fate because of the inherent design flaw.
first, if its still in warranty, yeah warranty it. the head gasket has nothing to do with how often the oil is being changed and can also CAUSE the oil to sludge up
Sounds, this is your car.
There’s two kinds of Honda owners: the ones who buy them and maintain them-and they last for ever.
Then there’s the owners who buy them because Hondas are reliable-but they do no maintenance. Those are the ones who bitch when their Honda breaks…
Hope it blows up soon, would hate for some poor person to pick it up thinking they were getting a reliable car. Crazy to think people will spend thousands on a new car but $60 every few months is too much
I've had one time where a customer bought a pretty new used car from somewhere and the engine went on it and it was already out of powertrain warranty. Warranty if they can provide a proof of sales if it was recent and they just good willed a new engine.
Customer will definitely continue his/her pattern of automotive neglect. Hopefully they'll get stranded somewhere and have a significant emotional event as a result.
Even if you take care of the 1.5 it'll blow a head gasket
Why would someone buy an extended warranty and then not do oil changes?
🤷
Duh, because they have the extended warranty 🤪
@@HallStevenson I missed the fine print that waives the requirement for regular maintenance.
I love engine stuff
what are the causes that could damage the head gasket? How to prevent it from happening? thank you!
I think it's due to the closed deck designed with that machined grove in between the cylinder. I think ford had the same problem.
@@theoffroadingmechanic ah... thank you for all the great videos. I'm going through some of them to educate myself. I have a 1995 Civic that I'm enjoying and caring for. :)
Did you mean the head gasket on the 95 civic? I had a 1992 civic hatchback and the head gasket went at around 280k I did it in my garage when I was 19 I had help from my dad.
@@theoffroadingmechanic yeah head gasket fail is my concern and was hoping to get tips on how to care for the car to prevent it from happening. I've done the coolant and thermostat change recently at 210K miles. regular oil changes. any tips you have that I can do on the car to prevent a head gasket failure is greatly appreciated. ~ Mike
My suggestion is keep an eye on your temperature and be pro active and not let it overheat or if you start noticing the temps start creeping up. Check the fluids when it's cold if you notice any drop in level. We get a lot of the older hondas where the radiator fan just stops working due to age. But in my opinion nothing will last forever and anything can be fixed so don't feel bad if it does happen. Those D series, B series motor are pretty easy to do the head gasket on.
I just did this job and everything went well but I can’t get the steering angle to calibrate.
Did you try the all sensor learn under abs or did you try initializing by driving?
@theoffroadingmechanic I tried to do it by driving. My scan tool is limited on what it can do as far as initialization
The other way would be under abs with a scanner under special function. There will be all sensor learn and brake pad maintenance. The other thing that will prevent it from initializing on a drive is if you have a code ie. Wheel speed sensor codes or a fault codes somewhere that's preventing it from initializing.
The problem with your shop taking a job like this is you're screwed no matter what. That engine is dying. It's never going to survive any reasonable service life. If it makes it to the end of the extended warranty, that's the best you can hope for. But when it implodes yet again, which it will for the same reason it came in first, the customer will be back at the shop claiming your repair was faulty. Your dealership will be taking this turd in on a trade for a newer Accord, then this will go off to be parted out at auction. The moral hazard of this boggles the mind. I'm all for manufacturers taking ownership when they make crap parts, but this was 100% customer fault and repairing this car under warranty rewards this awful behavior.
If you have a blown head gasket lack of oil changes don't apply! Sludge comes from lack of oil changes head gasket your burning water or they mix if that was the case we would see milk shake oil. The owner of that car is uninformed about proper maintenance.
I Babied my accord and my head gasket on cylinder 4 do you think the torque is wrong did my research and seen that torque spec on the head is 22lbs do you think there a issue there ?
The 22 is first step after evenly torque them down to that it's 165 degrees. K series motor does it 3 step with old head bolts and with new head bolts it's 4 step 90 degrees 3 time.
Hi i am planning to buy honda pilot used vehicle. i dont like earth dream which got the oil dilutionissue, i also dont like direct fuel injectors , do you recommend a honda pilot year, make and mode that is reliable anywhere between 2019 to 2022. i have 2005 pilot now, willing to upgrade. appreciate your help.
2016 and up will be earth dream engine and direct injection. It won't have oil dilution issue those are on the 1.5t. Second generation Honda pilots 2009-2015 with vcm motor burn oil will typically go through alternators or they leak oil on the alternator general suspension stuff usually needs replacing. First gen if you have a good one well maintained is the one to get. I would hold on to your 2005 unless you have neglected to repair things as they come up and not have it all rack up on repairs and now you have a big bill of repairs.
@@theoffroadingmechanic Thanks i maintain 2005 pilot in prestine condition. i will hold on until alll the issues are resolved.
the real question is. what kind of oil did they use to not cause any scoring after that many miles??
The 0w20 became 20w50
I think it more shows how well the 1.5 L is made. JMO
I would love to see how new oil washes the sludge and gunk in that engine after 100-200-500km.
Nice work.
If I were to do it and just for the hell of it. I would try doing really frequent oil changes maybe shorten it to every 2k kms and see if it will clean itself. Since oil has cleaning property rather than using an engine flush. Might make a good long term video.
@@theoffroadingmechanic Yeah that I was thinking. check the oil color after 100-200-500km, check how the gunk looks on some parts (visible from outside) and see if that cleaning happens faster with clean oil or equally and if the gunk even goes away.
That would be interesting video.
Anyway, keep up the content. we all like it :)
How many total customer pay hours is that job if wasn’t covered under warranty?
Depends on what options. Used motor, try to save the one that's already in there or build a brand new one. Not sure if Honda makes a long block I would have to check. But a used motor would probably be the cheapest since there are so many of these out there and wouldn't require much parts.
How did they get that warrantied at 149k lol an then how that looks lol... I mean even if yiu went 10k between oil changes it wouldn't look like that lol thats wild
I never ran mine hard and did all the maintenance and blew a head gasket at 101000
How much would a head gasket replacement cost out of pocket..? I have no warranty on my accord anymore
Being out of warranty have you tried if they will good will before spending money? All the ones I've been doing have been out of warranty and have been covered. If you have all service records will help your case.
Tbh I haven’t taken it to my diagnostic yet but I’m sure as hell it’s goin to be a head gasket or injectors for I’ve changed my plugs & coils oem and still my dash lit up about 3 times it’s been about a month and I really just wanna fix my car and get rid of it lol I’ve had it for 3 years this is the first problem it’s given me but I think it’s time for it to go .. so your saying I can get help from who tho? And yea I have all service records but it was bought at a dodge dealer so I doubt that would be any help ..
How many miles?? My 18 accord 1.5t head gasket blown at 99,380 miles
Still park, I have No $$
@@josealonso6169I got 84k my head gasket wasn’t blown it was my injectors that are bad
Three words: wow
Geez my 260k jeep which is notorious for timing chain and lifter failure has only minor varnish and no problems compared to this engine, crazy how people will invest 20k+ in to a vehicle and not do the $70 oil changes every so often.
how many hours did you charge for it if it wasn’t covered under warranty?
Добрый день ,на каком пробеге км регулировать клапана хонда аккорд гибрид 2022г?
The maintenance reminder that shows up when you're due for service should tell you what services are due. But the symbol 4 which is spark plug valve adjustment is roughly around 165k kms
Please file a claim with Honda USA and report to the Attorney General. So we can get a recall
Every one of these jobs out of warranty they usually get approved under good will for us. Not sure how others get declined as it is a known issue. Maybe it's a Canadian vs US thing.
@@theoffroadingmechanic is Canada getting approved?
There's no recall but we have done quite a few CRV, accords, even civic SI that have been out of warranty. Our warranty just have to submit for approval and we haven't had any declined. We even had one that was so bad they even approved a new cylinder head because the spark plugs took the threads out.
@theoffroadingmechanic who are you submitting them to? I'm in Texas, and I've just had this issue with the head gasket
What was warranty time ? 4. 3 hours.
Flat rate time is 11hrs
Wow. I didn't think it would be that high.@@theoffroadingmechanic
Lol try same in Finland without service history documents. Bye bye warranty.
OMG
I have been skipping through the video and watching parts. It must be a real kick in the pants when they warranty a ton of work that is all due to the customer’s negligence, and then you have to sit around unpaid.
Independent shops with a good business model can’t afford to fix things for free and the good ones are busy as can be and keep their techs happy. Dump this place.
The customer should have at least paid for the timing set, cam Phasors, machine shop work, time to do all that.
The thing is the bottom end will be full of sludge too.
I’ll pay you to do mine
I would ask this guy to give up ICE car and buy an EV if he does not know how to do oil change.
Yup thats the dealership life, absolutely hate it. 🤦🏽♂️ Should have not been covered.
The head gasket on this Honda/Acura blew because the vehicle had not been maintained…pretty easy call.
L15B engines seem to have issues around the board.
Oil Dilution and Heat-gaskets issues.
But that engine should not have been warrantied.
VTEC Solenoid screen blocked
Piston squirters would be blocked.
Bottom end would be horrible.
The oil in the pan was thick. No oil dilution. Lol doing the head gasket isn't so bad if it weren't for all the sludge and additional parts, cleaning and waiting for stuff to come in. Warranty only paid for the head gasket job all the other stuff it was just my time.
@@theoffroadingmechanic The oxidative thickening from not changing it dominates the fuel dilution in this case. It does not mean that fuel dilution is not an issue.
In short, no.
I change my oil every 5K miles. Purring like a kitten.
hi, just subscribed .. not sure how i missed your channel . does honda VVTI gear works like toyota meaning controlled by oil control solenoid that advance or retard .?. i assumee no because you have VTEC , so wondering what VVTI does in honda if we have VTEC. toyota also have lock and unlock on VVTI gear does honda have something similar.
Yea vvti gears are just to advance or restart cam timing like any manufacturers some do it differently like Mazda skyactive engine actually is a high compression engine but overlaps the valves to allow the exhaust to allow literally fire into the cat to heat it up quicker which is what you hear on the Mazda when you first start them up is a loud idle. Or they use variable valve timing to lower compression ratio. Older Honda engine only had vvti gear on the intake but newer model Honda switch to dual vvti so both intake and exhaust. But not all 1.5T are the same. The accord has VTEC on the exhaust side to help spool up the turbo which uses oil pressure to engage a rocker arm for a higher and longer duration profile lobe on The cam shaft. But not all 1.5t are the same such as the CRV doesn't have VTEC at all. So there are variations of VTEC.
@@theoffroadingmechanic Thanks much.. You should start your own shop. Carcarenut in youtube is located in my city and because of his channel he is completely booked for next 3 months. All the best for your success. Few suggestions to increae the hit in your views and subscribers. Start reviewing the newer engine (+-/- 8 years) with pros' and con's. Start giving advise to your viewers common problems on those engines, frequent or repeted obd2 probelems, attarct more viewers by doing leve 1/2 hobs like brake, rotor, alternator, starter, etc. then control arm, axle, bearing, just my few thoughts.
Thanks for the advice as I am working at a dealership I'm pretty limited to what I can show maybe even showing a little to much. Would be nice to have my own shop if I had the money though but I do work from home helping friends and family vehicles.
Who gives a Dam you have a warranty use it...
they shouldn't have a license lmao.
On a 5 year old car, no way should it be warranteed. No history of maintenance? Must be doing a favor for someone!
I looked up the vin It had an extended power train that was about to expire very soon. On our history there was nothing and non at any other Honda. If it had it done at quick lubes they would have to provide receipts or invoice.
@@theoffroadingmechanic Crazy.
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