I just got the Sonos sub mini I didn’t notice much of a difference at first but then I used Sonos trueplay and I noticed quite a huge difference after doing that it started off needing + 5 bass to enjoy the sub before using trueplay and now I need -5 after using trueplay it made a huge difference
I have the same setup. LG TV, Beam, 2 Ones, Sub Mini in a small living room with volume at 12-18%. Testing the mini by turning it on and off is not noticable. I know the bass is there only because I can see the sub.
Have you tried it with any Dolby Atmos shows/movies? That's where I notice the biggest difference. Try the Star Wars segments I mentioned and see if you feel the difference there.
Ok it’s too many ppl saying the same thing. 😳. So is it a yes/no to this setup if your main use is music?? I watch movies but honestly music is my main use and I need base! It’s already annoying that you can’t Bluetooth to the device so this may be the nail in the coffin for me
@@cp3onmtv963 to manage your expectations a bit, this is a good comment that I saw on reddit: "There’s this thing that often happens with subs (in general, not just Sonos subs), where people think to be getting their money’s worth, it has to be shaking the floors and rattling the chandeliers all the time. It definitely does not and most of the time should not be like that. Most of the time, it just gives a little “authority” to the music." I'd say that is pretty accurate. If music is going to be your main focus and you want to feel it go THUMP THUMP THUMP in your chest, I don't think you will get what you're expecting unfortunately. Maybe with the right volume and EQ? What I like about it is that the lower frequencies feel less harsh to me with the sub on. I think the best advice I can give you is to buy it from somewhere with a good returns policy (direct from Sonos would be best!) and see how you get on with it. You do have to be experiencing it in your own space to really find out if it's going to be right for you. I can say for sure though that movies/TV/gaming all sound noticeably better with it!
@@VidVayder thanks for your response and I would agree with that quote! I definitely dont need or want base that loosens screws, but I do want to be able to "feel" and hear a crisp, tight, thumping bass. Of course hearing it in person would be the best way to know for sure... For reference, I purchased a set of Audio Engine A2's and a 10" dayton sub for my office setup (12x14ish). I think the setup was $450 altogether and sounds AMAZING. My office is in the back of the house and I often play music from there while im in the kitchen since the living room doesnt have a setup yet. If this came in wireless capability I'd buy the same thing for the LR! So when Sonos wants that same amount for just 1 piece of the puzzle AND doesnt provide BT which is universal for pairing, yea, expectations are pretty high!!
@@cp3onmtv963 Absolutely! You should only buy something if it fits your needs. I think that ten years ago, when I was still using Bluetooth a lot I would have also had an issue with the lack of BT on Sonos products. However, I've found that the way I use tech has changed in recent years. I haven't really missed BT because of the Apple Music integration on the Sonos app, and I'm also fortunate enough to have HDMI eArc for everything else connected to my TV, and Airplay capabilities with the Apple ecosystem. There is probably a sound system out there that will fit your needs properly, or who knows maybe Sonos will add Bluetooth in their future products later down the line when the technology improves? If you're still curious, I would recommend visiting the Sonos community on Reddit. Just a few hours ago I read a post where someone said they got the Sub Mini to pair with 2 Sonos Ones, and they were really impressed with the performance for music with many people agreeing with him. There's definitely a mix of opinions with it! [edit] Link to post: www.reddit.com/r/sonos/comments/y454n3/sonos_sub_mini_2_ones_experience/
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found it helpful :) I have to warn you though that the bass has gotten stronger since the latest updates. Sounds wonderful but will require tweaking to cause less disturbance.
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My room size is quite similar to yours. I got the beam 2 first, then I added this sub mini. Honestly , the Kickbass is not strong. I really have to put the sub eq to 13 and then you feel the kickbass. But when it comes to movie scenes or longer bass tones, its exceeding expectations by far. Absolutely nice, deep, clear and precise bass. Play scenes with thunder or music with basslines, you will be blown away. But don’t expect to feel the punch of kickbass on your body like in club.
This sounds a lot like my experience so far. Luckily, I don't use my Sonos system much for music. I got it and use it mostly for entertainment and you're right, it's great in those situations. It sucks if kickbass is a thing that's important to you though, have you tried the Sub Gen 3 to test the kickbass there?
I got mine yesterday and tested music at first and to be honest I was a bit disappointed because I expected more from what you heard in the early RUclips reviews.. my room is a little bit smaller than yours guys so Same situation. No kickbass but very nice for movies etc. a friend of mine has the sub 3 and the difference is not comparable to the mini in terms of Listening to music and watching movies. You can “feel” the bass with the 3. So it’s a little bit pricey and i expected more from it but I’m still happy that i got one and think the more you listen to it the more you appreciate it.
@@janlippeck2711 I share your sentiment. I think that I'm not as disappointed as others regarding the music side of things because I tend not to play music for 'enjoyment' with my set up (usually as background music or when I need to practice bachata). What I'm about to say is going to seem completely backwards as well, but part of me was hoping that with the lower frequencies being handled by the sub, I can get less bass from my Beam and Ones, even at times turning off the lower frequencies completely as to control the disturbance I cause. I basically paid a few hundred £££ to get more control. Small flat problems!
@@VidVayder if you want kickbass you can put your sub level at +8. in addition to that you can activate Loudness. Then your wall start to shake 😉😉 And please pay attention to the position where you place the sub.
@@BeatsByBeast Haha, I'm not ready for wall shaking bass mate! I actually keep Loudness off, I wish I had remembered to mention that in my video. I've heard Loudness mode described as being similar to Vivid mode on TVs and I agree, it's too much for my taste. I might try the +8 at some point, but at the moment I'm happy with how the Sub Mini is performing. I would say that getting the Sub was more about gaining control rather than volume for me. When I move into a bigger place I promise to do the sub crawl 😂
The EXACT review I was looking for. At the moment I'm living in a small flat and got already 2 x One and I did wander what to go for next: Sub Mini or better Beam 2?... I think I may better go for the Beam 2 🤞👀🤞
If your goal is to get better sound for entertainment then Beam 2 is definitely the way to go. Make sure you have HDMI ARC/eArc as well for pass through if you want to use it with consoles or TV boxes.
Got my sub mini a few days ago to pair with my Ray. The way the frequency response changes when the sub was added made the Ray sound even better. I have it in my small bedroom about 13 x 13 and I had to put the sub bass level at the lowest to get a nice even response. I found this to not shake the room too much and disturb my roommates. Knowing that, I feel like the sub mini has way more power than it implies. Although I did have a hiccup installing it to my system, I had to use the Sonos app on my Mac(downloaded from their website), to get things updated. After that it paired easily. Great sub 👍🏽
If you guys have a Beam 2 and you're hesitant to get a Sub Mini, get yourself a pair of SL One's, the improvement is HUGE, whereas it is very small if you just get the Sub Mini with your Beam 2
I have both the beam 2 and a pair of One sl on surround ,but i now plan to buy the sub mini to finish my set .I think that will be perfect for a medium size room like mine .When you start to buy a sonos product ,you get addicted 😁
Couldn't agree less. The sub mini has made a huge difference to my thin sounding Beam Gen 2! I can't believe we are all getting such different results!?
I wish I had listens to this video first I just bought the sub mini it will be delivered tomorrow not sure what to expect now. Probably will use the era 300 for the rears.
@@VidVayder I did apologise in advance, actually they are the ones who received the woofer. When they got massage at their heels waned to come and hear it closely 👌 A party is in order 😂
I bought an LG C2, Beam Gen 2 and 2x One SL's about a month ago, and have been seeing how that works for my similarly small space. I've taken the plunge to order the Sub Mini now the it's back in stock, so that should arrive tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to getting the system complete! Fave features are the enhanced speech and night mode that I can activate when my daughter goes to bed so the missus and I can watch our shows without turning the volume up and down constantly! Nice review man.
That's an excellent setup you have! Since the recent 14.18 update the bass is a lot more noticeable from the Sub Mini. I have no doubt you'll enjoy it, the question is just whether or not the power is too embarrassing! Thanks for the kind words :)
@@VidVayder thanks, I’m really enjoying it! I wanted it all in place and perfect for God of War Ragnarok 😬 what do you mean by the power being embarrassing?
@@danhodson7187 I mean that if you have neighbours connected by walls, you might be embarrassed by the disruption you're causing. Might not be an issue for you if you have good walls though! Oh wow it would be amazing with GoW Ragnarok. Those low chants in the main theme are going to really hit the spot. I might fire up GoW 2018 now to get a taster!
@@VidVayder Oh I see, haha well I hate my neighbours! They clearly don't show much consideration for for us, so I won't lose any sleep over them hearing my new TV and Sound System. Good call on the GoW 2018 music, I think it will be epic to play on the Sonos system!
@@VidVayder I'm waiting for my speakers to arrive but quick question. How do you update the speakers? Can it be done via the app over WiFi? or do you need to hardwire them somehow?
I like the Sub mini, but for me i have to put Bass on like +7 ( i have a large room). Use it with Arc and two one‘s as rear speaker. Especially when you watch a little louder and in 5.1 / Dolby Atmos Movies, you notice the advantages of the Sub. The Sub mini is here for me totally enough without the Walls have to shake as with the OG Sub. Fortunately i can watch loud tv and exhaust the Mini. Nice review btw!
It is definitely most noticeable to me on 5.1 / Dolby Atmos tracks too. Fortunate for you indeed to be able to stretch its capabilities more! Thank you for the kind words 🙏
Thank you for this video! Very informative. You only talked briefly about placement of the sub. In my case i can't really put it directly below or to the side of the tv / soundbar. Do you think it's okay to place the sub mini in the rear of the room about 2,5m behind the couch. So tv and soundbar on one end of the room and the sub mini on the opposite side with the couch in between them. Kind regards!
Yes it will be fine. It will still work as intended. It might not be OPTIMAL but convenience is better than the slight improvement you will get from optimal positioning. You can use the EQ to fine tune things too. Make sure you buy from a place with good returns policy in case you find the setup doesn’t work though! Thanks for the kind words!
I also have a beam gen 2 and watched a few video videos saying there was not a huge noticable difference when adding the Sub mini. Unlike most, I was extremely disappointed wit🤦♂h my Bean Gen 2 amd thought for the money, it should have sounded much better. I got a Sub min anyway as they were on sale here in australia and I'm so glad I did. The improvement is HUGE! I really don't know how ANYONE can say that adding the Sub mini didnt make much of a difference, even to music. The difference is huge even with the sub level at -3 and in my large lounge room that is 4x5 meters and has 13ft high ceilings.......Love my Sub mini!!
The videos you watched (including mine) were all based on using it within the first few weeks. Sonos updated the Sub Mini a couple of weeks in and it was much more noticeable. I still really liked it the way it was, but the update made it better.
Nice video. I went for the Sub 3 just before the mini was released in a similar sized flat, only neighbors above. Should I move though there won't be a need for a further upgrade. I'm sure the Mini would have sufficed though, even excelled. Subscribed.
Yeah you're future proofed with your Sub 3. And if your next move happens to be to a massive place you can always add a second Sub 3 😁 Sub Mini can't be upgraded like that. Thanks for the sub, I appreciate you!
Hey Mark, I would say go for a set of surrounds (One, Era 100/300) first. The surrounds will add a new dimension to your experience and actually improve the quality of your soundbar by sharing the load so to speak. The surrounds will also improve the overall bass of the setup too so it's not like you're trading one thing for another. After you have surrounds set up, then you can consider whether or not you need the Sub Mini, which in my opinion is amazing but not as essential as the surround speakers. Now this leaves you with the choice of which surrounds to get... if you have the right space and budget go for the 300 because that will make the most difference with the upfiring tweeters. The 100 and Ones will also make a big difference and are more budget friendly and fit well in smaller spaces. However... the 100 and 300 are not guaranteed to work well if you have an older router or a busy home network. The Ones are fine because they have a feature called SonosNet that work as a mesh network to bond with your Beam 2 so that interference is limited. I'm personally using the Ones and I have zero issues. I have tested the Era 100s as surrounds and although they do sound better and fuller, the occasional pops and threat of disconnecting is not something I will gamble with. In the future this could change with firmware updates, but that is only a possibility. All things said, your experience with Era 100 and 300 could be much smoother than mine, and I would like to remind you that buying from Sonos official website comes with a great returns policy. If you can spare the time, I talk a bit more about SonosNet in my review for the Era 100 here: ruclips.net/video/hMBzJN3vy1s/видео.html
Brilliant review but polarised comments. Definitely a case of "your milage may vary". I have a Beam(2) and two One SLs in a small flat with neighbours underneath. Was ten mins away from ordering this sub but I'm not sure now if, at my available listening levels, I'd get anything from it.
Yep you nailed it. I will note that after the recent updates (after my review) the performance improved, but I’ve packed the Sub Mini away over the season to put up the Xmas tree and haven’t really missed it much. Could be worth trying if you find it at a good price as a Sonos refurb on the official site (their returns policy is top notch). Ultimately for a small space your Beam 2 and SLs are more than adequate.
Do you have the best settings please for the Sonos mini because doesn't matter what I do with it it's has to much bass I only have the beam 2 and mini sub no other speakers.
Have you done Trueplay tuning first? If you haven't, then do that first. I also recommend turning off Loudness, and also try Night Sound to see if that helps. You can go into Sub Audio in your SONOS app after that to go -5. If you're on Apple TV 4K box, turn on Reduce Loud Sounds. If you've done all of that and the walls are still shaking, play around with your EQ a bit more. Let me know how you get on :)
I have a small room of 4X5 M, I have a 65inch g3 paired with a sonos arc, i had the same issue even with the arc, when listening to music the sound was like crowded and the bass was really weak, stronger than any other soundbar but still, a few days ago I got the sub mini and was the best decision of my life, now the music sounds SOOO GOOOD, movies also sound really really nice, the bass is super strong to the point my entire body shakes and i love it! i don't really know the reason for most people to say that the mini is not good, ITS INCREDIBLE
and i didnt even tune it, just unboxed it, placed in a corner next to my tv set up, set up true play and that was it, the difference is HUGEEEE, totally worth the money
It’s great and even better after some of the post release updates. I’m surprised you haven’t considered a pair of surrounds if you’re finding that the sound is too crowded. But if you’re already happy with the sound then I guess there’s no need. Enjoy bro!
I had Sub Gen 3 for 2 days - couldn't resist on the bass there... TOOOOOO loud, had to maintain the bass on - 10 in order to be reasonable bass... Then I thought that if I have to use it on -10, better to return it. So then I got Sub Mini - not that powerful bass, but great for my room.
Hi Vid, thank you for an informative video. Will like your opinion if you would suggest getting a sub mini just to pair with a pair of Sonos one's, to listen to mainly music? Will the sub mini make a difference in this scenario?
I just did a quick test with a track called Zomboy - Bad Intentions. Settings - Surround Audio: +15 Music Playback: Full Trueplay tuning: On and Off Master volume: 5 If you play that track on your stereo pair of Ones, can you hear that very deep rumble in the first 10 - 20 seconds of the track? That seems to disappear when I turn the Sub Mini on, which surprised me. I tried it with Trueplay ON and OFF and the result was the same. The Sub Mini seems to be taking that rumble and then hiding it, maybe only perceptable at higher volumes (I haven't tried a higher volume yet). The track sounds full enough to me at lower volumes with just the Ones, I honestly think that if it's just for music, you don't need to add the Sub Mini. Check out the comment by @LC Deluxe in this comments section. He mentions that he can only feel the kickback bass similar to what you get in a club, when the bass is ramped up to 13 on the Sub Mini. So it also depends on how you use it (volume, EQ, and Trueplay) to get the most out of it. I personally would not get the Sub Mini just for pairing with the Ones. Finally, if you're still curious, I would advise you to buy it from a store with a great returns policy (eg. Sonos directly) to get a better handle on how it would sound in your room. If you do try it, let me know how you get on!
I find it strange that you struggle to hear any difference with music. I think you need to look into subwoofer placement in your room. Do the “crawl test” by putting the subwoofer in your listening position and crawl around the room to find where it’s loudest. I have the sub mini in a large room. 14*7 meters. And after spending some time placing the sub and do the calibration, the difference is massive. Not just more bass, but the overall sound quality also improved. I also have two sub gen 3 in my cabin, and they of course play much louder. But honestly I think the sub mini is the best for music. It appears to be quicker.
@@pixelmonkey912 I think so, but my best advice for you here is to buy the Beam 2 and Sub Mini from a place that allows free returns (official Sonos website or Amazon for example) and see how you feel about it before splurging out on the more expensive setup.
@@VidVayder yes I will do. I hope it will be enough. The arc and gen 3 will not live to full potential if I can only switch it up to 15% volume you know lol
@@pixelmonkey912 Exactly 😆 I think some people have also said that clarity is better on Beam 2. I could be remembering wrong though. Also, recently there has been complaints about popping on the Arc. Maybe look into that a bit too if you end up deciding you want the Arc.
Thank you 😊 I don't have the Arc but in my opinion you should get the surrounds first and then go for sub. Your bass on the Arc is meant to be pretty good already and I feel like the added dimension you'll get from surrounds will add more to your experience (assuming you're more concerned about movies/TV).
I have a similar setup and enjoy it very much. I was lucky and used my 20% off for the surround and the beam 2. Paying full price sub mini hurt a little but I enjoy it with movies and Atmos music too. Good review, thanks.
Hi. Top review. Im strongly considering buying the Sub Mini. Ive got 2 Play 3's and want to add something to improve the clarity of voice and instruments. Would you recommend buying this?
In theory it would help to offload some of the bass, but check that it’s compatible with Play 3 first, and also, buy from a place that allows returns!!
@@VidVayder I've replaced the kefs now with b&w 707 s2 with a Kef t2 sub. To answer your question yes I listen to more music than movies and the kefs sound better for both but you can't get the deep bass without a sub. The t2 Kef sub I have is decent but only bought it because someone offered it to me cheap. The b&w 707 s2 might be very small but they sound soo much bigger than they are
Thanks for the honest review. I was wondering this exact question as I live in an apartment. I don’t want to deal with toggling on and off the sub at night with the app so will probably pass on this.
That's fair. I'm using it right now at 23.30, master volume 14, night mode and haven't toggled the sub off. There has only been a handful of times I've noticed the bass though, but I am worried every time that I'm annoying my neighbour. They haven't banged the wall yet though. Do you have surrounds?
@@VidVayder Yeah. I have a beam + 2 sonos ones. They were worth every penny. In my old apartment it was all drywall. I had a small sub and I got complaints all the time. My new place is almost all concrete but I’m still a bit concerned about getting a sub now.
Maybe. But after the 14.18 update I feel like the bass has a lot more presence now. Still I try my best to keep it down for my neighbours especially after 9pm.
@@TemujinScott80 OK, I think I'm going to wait for one of these days where all of my neighbours are definitely out and I'll see about this floor rumbling bass. Looking forward to it 😁
I have Sonos Beam and 2 Sonos One. I bought Sub Mini and the upgrade is not significant. I barely notice the difference at mid volume. Maybe it’s a difference at high volume but I don’t need high volume. I returned the Sub Mini and considering upgrade to Sonos Arc.
That's sad to hear it didn't make much difference to you. Are you primarily using it with music or entertainment? If music, I was advised to try the following tracks for good bass: 1. Zomboy - Bad Intentions 2. Skrillex - Mumbai Power 3. Excision - Night Shine 4. The expanse soundtrack - Truth For entertainment, I can notice it mostly on 5.1 PCM and Dolby Atmos. If you have space for the Sonos Arc then defo go for that, but will you pair it with a Sub Gen 3, or rely on the Arc's bass?
I had exactly the same outcome. Gen2 beam and two ones . Sounded better when I turned the sub mini off! 12 x 12 room. Unless I jacked up the volume no improvement at all! I am thinking exactly the same. Better to upgrade to a Arc in small room than go any where near a sub. Sub mini returned. Sonos should explain there is no improvement at low volume. Unless you can crank it up. Don't bother.
I have an arc and sub mini and noticed a big difference upon pairing as the arc has more equipment to work with for mid and highs since you are off loading the bass to the sub. Your sub should be a compliment to the sound. You dont want to be the 16 year old kid who just put subs in his car that's vibrating all the way down the road.
Hey, I have it set to full yes. I had everything else in my settings neutral (at 0). I'm sure my music test would have been more effective if I played with settings. Btw I did listen to the test again after completing my video and I could hear the subtle difference in the music test.
I bought my mini to add to my sonos beam setup similar to how you did. I only picked up the mini as I got two new neighbors who were less than considerate about the noise they make especially when it came to subwoofer sound and miscellaneous items on my small apartment walls shaking around when they blasted whatever terrible music they listened to. This review was spot on my exact thoughts only far more articulate and to the point. Thanks for that! Overall I found it to be an absolute powerhouse if I wanted to drown out the neighboring sub sounds with my own. Having the ability to easily move around and adjust the sub's intensity is an absolute win in my books. The form factor was easy enough to blend where I needed it to and the toggle is easy to access for when my neighbors briefly begin considering their system may be a bit overkill and turn it down. With the sub slider option I can fine tune the intensity of it depending on what I am watching and I don't need to play with a ton of different settings to achieve the effects I want, quickly. Great review and explanations. Thank you for your work!
Wow, that doesn’t sound like a fun neighbour but it sounds like they got your point 😂 thanks for the kind words I’m glad you found the video helpful, and good to hear you’re enjoying the Sub Mini 👊
You can't tell much difference with your setup? I was advised to try these songs: 1. Zomboy - Bad Intentions 2. Skrillex - Mumbai Power 3. Excision - Night Shine 4. The expanse soundtrack - Truth See how you get along with those, and also a Dolby Atmos show on Disney+ or Netflix. Others have also mentioned that they can't feel it as much with music but the performance on tv/movies is noticeable.
How could you not notice a difference in bass when adding a sub to just a sono beam and two ones? Like what? I could underatd if you had two fives… Turned it off after that. You know nothing Jon snow.
I just got the Sonos sub mini I didn’t notice much of a difference at first but then I used Sonos trueplay and I noticed quite a huge difference after doing that it started off needing + 5 bass to enjoy the sub before using trueplay and now I need -5 after using trueplay it made a huge difference
Trueplay 100% makes a difference. Don’t forget to redo it every time you move your speakers. 👍
I have the same setup. LG TV, Beam, 2 Ones, Sub Mini in a small living room with volume at 12-18%. Testing the mini by turning it on and off is not noticable. I know the bass is there only because I can see the sub.
Have you tried it with any Dolby Atmos shows/movies? That's where I notice the biggest difference. Try the Star Wars segments I mentioned and see if you feel the difference there.
Ok it’s too many ppl saying the same thing. 😳.
So is it a yes/no to this setup if your main use is music?? I watch movies but honestly music is my main use and I need base! It’s already annoying that you can’t Bluetooth to the device so this may be the nail in the coffin for me
@@cp3onmtv963 to manage your expectations a bit, this is a good comment that I saw on reddit:
"There’s this thing that often happens with subs (in general, not just Sonos subs), where people think to be getting their money’s worth, it has to be shaking the floors and rattling the chandeliers all the time. It definitely does not and most of the time should not be like that. Most of the time, it just gives a little “authority” to the music."
I'd say that is pretty accurate. If music is going to be your main focus and you want to feel it go THUMP THUMP THUMP in your chest, I don't think you will get what you're expecting unfortunately. Maybe with the right volume and EQ?
What I like about it is that the lower frequencies feel less harsh to me with the sub on. I think the best advice I can give you is to buy it from somewhere with a good returns policy (direct from Sonos would be best!) and see how you get on with it. You do have to be experiencing it in your own space to really find out if it's going to be right for you.
I can say for sure though that movies/TV/gaming all sound noticeably better with it!
@@VidVayder thanks for your response and I would agree with that quote! I definitely dont need or want base that loosens screws, but I do want to be able to "feel" and hear a crisp, tight, thumping bass. Of course hearing it in person would be the best way to know for sure...
For reference, I purchased a set of Audio Engine A2's and a 10" dayton sub for my office setup (12x14ish). I think the setup was $450 altogether and sounds AMAZING. My office is in the back of the house and I often play music from there while im in the kitchen since the living room doesnt have a setup yet. If this came in wireless capability I'd buy the same thing for the LR! So when Sonos wants that same amount for just 1 piece of the puzzle AND doesnt provide BT which is universal for pairing, yea, expectations are pretty high!!
@@cp3onmtv963 Absolutely! You should only buy something if it fits your needs.
I think that ten years ago, when I was still using Bluetooth a lot I would have also had an issue with the lack of BT on Sonos products. However, I've found that the way I use tech has changed in recent years. I haven't really missed BT because of the Apple Music integration on the Sonos app, and I'm also fortunate enough to have HDMI eArc for everything else connected to my TV, and Airplay capabilities with the Apple ecosystem.
There is probably a sound system out there that will fit your needs properly, or who knows maybe Sonos will add Bluetooth in their future products later down the line when the technology improves?
If you're still curious, I would recommend visiting the Sonos community on Reddit. Just a few hours ago I read a post where someone said they got the Sub Mini to pair with 2 Sonos Ones, and they were really impressed with the performance for music with many people agreeing with him.
There's definitely a mix of opinions with it!
[edit] Link to post: www.reddit.com/r/sonos/comments/y454n3/sonos_sub_mini_2_ones_experience/
This review was great! I cried with the turtle documentary bit. Brilliant! 😂
Haha thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it 🙏
This is the exact review I was looking for. Great video!
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found it helpful :) I have to warn you though that the bass has gotten stronger since the latest updates. Sounds wonderful but will require tweaking to cause less disturbance.
If you found the video helpful or entertaining you can buy me a coffee, but only if you want to. Thanks for dropping by! bmc.link/vidvayder
Let me know if you want the link for the turtle documentary 👍
May I know the TV’s model i saw on this video?
@@faseehfaisal9577 it is the LG OLED B9. It sits quite low so I made my own platform with a floating shelf so that its taller than the Beam 2.
@@VidVayder Cool… thanks 😎👍
My room size is quite similar to yours. I got the beam 2 first, then I added this sub mini. Honestly , the Kickbass is not strong. I really have to put the sub eq to 13 and then you feel the kickbass. But when it comes to movie scenes or longer bass tones, its exceeding expectations by far. Absolutely nice, deep, clear and precise bass. Play scenes with thunder or music with basslines, you will be blown away. But don’t expect to feel the punch of kickbass on your body like in club.
This sounds a lot like my experience so far. Luckily, I don't use my Sonos system much for music. I got it and use it mostly for entertainment and you're right, it's great in those situations.
It sucks if kickbass is a thing that's important to you though, have you tried the Sub Gen 3 to test the kickbass there?
I got mine yesterday and tested music at first and to be honest I was a bit disappointed because I expected more from what you heard in the early RUclips reviews.. my room is a little bit smaller than yours guys so Same situation. No kickbass but very nice for movies etc. a friend of mine has the sub 3 and the difference is not comparable to the mini in terms of Listening to music and watching movies. You can “feel” the bass with the 3. So it’s a little bit pricey and i expected more from it but I’m still happy that i got one and think the more you listen to it the more you appreciate it.
@@janlippeck2711 I share your sentiment. I think that I'm not as disappointed as others regarding the music side of things because I tend not to play music for 'enjoyment' with my set up (usually as background music or when I need to practice bachata). What I'm about to say is going to seem completely backwards as well, but part of me was hoping that with the lower frequencies being handled by the sub, I can get less bass from my Beam and Ones, even at times turning off the lower frequencies completely as to control the disturbance I cause. I basically paid a few hundred £££ to get more control. Small flat problems!
@@VidVayder if you want kickbass you can put your sub level at +8. in addition to that you can activate Loudness. Then your wall start to shake 😉😉 And please pay attention to the position where you place the sub.
@@BeatsByBeast Haha, I'm not ready for wall shaking bass mate! I actually keep Loudness off, I wish I had remembered to mention that in my video. I've heard Loudness mode described as being similar to Vivid mode on TVs and I agree, it's too much for my taste. I might try the +8 at some point, but at the moment I'm happy with how the Sub Mini is performing. I would say that getting the Sub was more about gaining control rather than volume for me. When I move into a bigger place I promise to do the sub crawl 😂
I was cranking the song Khalid - "Better"
And was blown away at the different bass tones and nuances in them, with my sub gen 3. Sheesh
That gen 3 power.
The EXACT review I was looking for.
At the moment I'm living in a small flat and got already 2 x One and I did wander what to go for next: Sub Mini or better Beam 2?... I think I may better go for the Beam 2 🤞👀🤞
If your goal is to get better sound for entertainment then Beam 2 is definitely the way to go. Make sure you have HDMI ARC/eArc as well for pass through if you want to use it with consoles or TV boxes.
They are completely different and for different uses
Got my sub mini a few days ago to pair with my Ray. The way the frequency response changes when the sub was added made the Ray sound even better. I have it in my small bedroom about 13 x 13 and I had to put the sub bass level at the lowest to get a nice even response. I found this to not shake the room too much and disturb my roommates. Knowing that, I feel like the sub mini has way more power than it implies. Although I did have a hiccup installing it to my system, I had to use the Sonos app on my Mac(downloaded from their website), to get things updated. After that it paired easily. Great sub 👍🏽
If you guys have a Beam 2 and you're hesitant to get a Sub Mini, get yourself a pair of SL One's, the improvement is HUGE, whereas it is very small if you just get the Sub Mini with your Beam 2
Agree on the surrounds being a massive jump. It’s definitely the first upgrade a Beam 2 owner should make.
I have both the beam 2 and a pair of One sl on surround ,but i now plan to buy the sub mini to finish my set .I think that will be perfect for a medium size room like mine .When you start to buy a sonos product ,you get addicted 😁
@@46ASM So true. I'm already eyeing up the Move or Roam. And if the rumoured up-firing surrounds are true as well, I'm 100% in.
Couldn't agree less. The sub mini has made a huge difference to my thin sounding Beam Gen 2! I can't believe we are all getting such different results!?
I wish I had listens to this video first I just bought the sub mini it will be delivered tomorrow not sure what to expect now. Probably will use the era 300 for the rears.
I use the regular sub in my 950 Sq ft apt, it's not that small I guess but lol.
My neighbours joined the party 😎
You're a good neighbour 😊
@@VidVayder I did apologise in advance, actually they are the ones who received the woofer.
When they got massage at their heels waned to come and hear it closely 👌
A party is in order 😂
I bought an LG C2, Beam Gen 2 and 2x One SL's about a month ago, and have been seeing how that works for my similarly small space. I've taken the plunge to order the Sub Mini now the it's back in stock, so that should arrive tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to getting the system complete! Fave features are the enhanced speech and night mode that I can activate when my daughter goes to bed so the missus and I can watch our shows without turning the volume up and down constantly! Nice review man.
That's an excellent setup you have! Since the recent 14.18 update the bass is a lot more noticeable from the Sub Mini. I have no doubt you'll enjoy it, the question is just whether or not the power is too embarrassing!
Thanks for the kind words :)
@@VidVayder thanks, I’m really enjoying it! I wanted it all in place and perfect for God of War Ragnarok 😬 what do you mean by the power being embarrassing?
@@danhodson7187 I mean that if you have neighbours connected by walls, you might be embarrassed by the disruption you're causing. Might not be an issue for you if you have good walls though!
Oh wow it would be amazing with GoW Ragnarok. Those low chants in the main theme are going to really hit the spot. I might fire up GoW 2018 now to get a taster!
@@VidVayder Oh I see, haha well I hate my neighbours! They clearly don't show much consideration for for us, so I won't lose any sleep over them hearing my new TV and Sound System. Good call on the GoW 2018 music, I think it will be epic to play on the Sonos system!
@@VidVayder I'm waiting for my speakers to arrive but quick question. How do you update the speakers? Can it be done via the app over WiFi? or do you need to hardwire them somehow?
I like the Sub mini, but for me i have to put Bass on like +7 ( i have a large room). Use it with Arc and two one‘s as rear speaker. Especially when you watch a little louder and in 5.1 / Dolby Atmos Movies, you notice the advantages of the Sub. The Sub mini is here for me totally enough without the Walls have to shake as with the OG Sub. Fortunately i can watch loud tv and exhaust the Mini.
Nice review btw!
It is definitely most noticeable to me on 5.1 / Dolby Atmos tracks too. Fortunate for you indeed to be able to stretch its capabilities more!
Thank you for the kind words 🙏
Good video, thank you.
Thanks for watching 😌
Thanks for the great and considerate review! Very much appreciated!👌🏻
Appreciate the kind words. Glad you found it useful 🙂
Thank you for this video! Very informative. You only talked briefly about placement of the sub. In my case i can't really put it directly below or to the side of the tv / soundbar. Do you think it's okay to place the sub mini in the rear of the room about 2,5m behind the couch. So tv and soundbar on one end of the room and the sub mini on the opposite side with the couch in between them.
Kind regards!
Yes it will be fine. It will still work as intended. It might not be OPTIMAL but convenience is better than the slight improvement you will get from optimal positioning. You can use the EQ to fine tune things too. Make sure you buy from a place with good returns policy in case you find the setup doesn’t work though!
Thanks for the kind words!
Best review of the sub mini so far! So detailed
That's high praise! Very glad you enjoyed it and I appreciate the kind words 🙌
I also have a beam gen 2 and watched a few video videos saying there was not a huge noticable difference when adding the Sub mini. Unlike most, I was extremely disappointed wit🤦♂h my Bean Gen 2 amd thought for the money, it should have sounded much better. I got a Sub min anyway as they were on sale here in australia and I'm so glad I did. The improvement is HUGE! I really don't know how ANYONE can say that adding the Sub mini didnt make much of a difference, even to music. The difference is huge even with the sub level at -3 and in my large lounge room that is 4x5 meters and has 13ft high ceilings.......Love my Sub mini!!
The videos you watched (including mine) were all based on using it within the first few weeks. Sonos updated the Sub Mini a couple of weeks in and it was much more noticeable. I still really liked it the way it was, but the update made it better.
Nice video.
I went for the Sub 3 just before the mini was released in a similar sized flat, only neighbors above. Should I move though there won't be a need for a further upgrade.
I'm sure the Mini would have sufficed though, even excelled.
Subscribed.
Yeah you're future proofed with your Sub 3. And if your next move happens to be to a massive place you can always add a second Sub 3 😁 Sub Mini can't be upgraded like that.
Thanks for the sub, I appreciate you!
I’m getting a sub mini this month.. can’t wait Sub-mini will be enough bass for me. I always have loudness turned on
You’ll love it, it’s great!
Have a Sonos beam gen 2. Would you recommend the sub mini or one of the new era products to compliment it?
Hey Mark, I would say go for a set of surrounds (One, Era 100/300) first. The surrounds will add a new dimension to your experience and actually improve the quality of your soundbar by sharing the load so to speak. The surrounds will also improve the overall bass of the setup too so it's not like you're trading one thing for another. After you have surrounds set up, then you can consider whether or not you need the Sub Mini, which in my opinion is amazing but not as essential as the surround speakers.
Now this leaves you with the choice of which surrounds to get... if you have the right space and budget go for the 300 because that will make the most difference with the upfiring tweeters. The 100 and Ones will also make a big difference and are more budget friendly and fit well in smaller spaces. However... the 100 and 300 are not guaranteed to work well if you have an older router or a busy home network. The Ones are fine because they have a feature called SonosNet that work as a mesh network to bond with your Beam 2 so that interference is limited. I'm personally using the Ones and I have zero issues. I have tested the Era 100s as surrounds and although they do sound better and fuller, the occasional pops and threat of disconnecting is not something I will gamble with. In the future this could change with firmware updates, but that is only a possibility.
All things said, your experience with Era 100 and 300 could be much smoother than mine, and I would like to remind you that buying from Sonos official website comes with a great returns policy.
If you can spare the time, I talk a bit more about SonosNet in my review for the Era 100 here: ruclips.net/video/hMBzJN3vy1s/видео.html
Brilliant review but polarised comments. Definitely a case of "your milage may vary".
I have a Beam(2) and two One SLs in a small flat with neighbours underneath. Was ten mins away from ordering this sub but I'm not sure now if, at my available listening levels, I'd get anything from it.
Yep you nailed it. I will note that after the recent updates (after my review) the performance improved, but I’ve packed the Sub Mini away over the season to put up the Xmas tree and haven’t really missed it much. Could be worth trying if you find it at a good price as a Sonos refurb on the official site (their returns policy is top notch). Ultimately for a small space your Beam 2 and SLs are more than adequate.
Do you have the best settings please for the Sonos mini because doesn't matter what I do with it it's has to much bass I only have the beam 2 and mini sub no other speakers.
Have you done Trueplay tuning first? If you haven't, then do that first.
I also recommend turning off Loudness, and also try Night Sound to see if that helps. You can go into Sub Audio in your SONOS app after that to go -5. If you're on Apple TV 4K box, turn on Reduce Loud Sounds.
If you've done all of that and the walls are still shaking, play around with your EQ a bit more. Let me know how you get on :)
I have a small room of 4X5 M, I have a 65inch g3 paired with a sonos arc, i had the same issue even with the arc, when listening to music the sound was like crowded and the bass was really weak, stronger than any other soundbar but still, a few days ago I got the sub mini and was the best decision of my life, now the music sounds SOOO GOOOD, movies also sound really really nice, the bass is super strong to the point my entire body shakes and i love it! i don't really know the reason for most people to say that the mini is not good, ITS INCREDIBLE
and i didnt even tune it, just unboxed it, placed in a corner next to my tv set up, set up true play and that was it, the difference is HUGEEEE, totally worth the money
It’s great and even better after some of the post release updates. I’m surprised you haven’t considered a pair of surrounds if you’re finding that the sound is too crowded. But if you’re already happy with the sound then I guess there’s no need. Enjoy bro!
Got the same setup. Excellent for gaming..
Agreed, games are sick with a Sonos setup.
What a fantastic review 😅🎉 subbed !
Thanks for the kind words 🙏
Than you
I had Sub Gen 3 for 2 days - couldn't resist on the bass there... TOOOOOO loud, had to maintain the bass on - 10 in order to be reasonable bass... Then I thought that if I have to use it on -10, better to return it. So then I got Sub Mini - not that powerful bass, but great for my room.
Yeah it’s noticeable but not overbearing. Even if I had a larger room I’m not certain I would choose the Gen 3 over Sub Mini.
I’m in exactly the same situation. Sub is too loud for me and I feel my head becoming heavy. Now returning them and will get a sub mini.
@@positiveMindset665 good choice!
Hi Vid, thank you for an informative video. Will like your opinion if you would suggest getting a sub mini just to pair with a pair of Sonos one's, to listen to mainly music? Will the sub mini make a difference in this scenario?
I just did a quick test with a track called Zomboy - Bad Intentions.
Settings -
Surround Audio: +15
Music Playback: Full
Trueplay tuning: On and Off
Master volume: 5
If you play that track on your stereo pair of Ones, can you hear that very deep rumble in the first 10 - 20 seconds of the track? That seems to disappear when I turn the Sub Mini on, which surprised me. I tried it with Trueplay ON and OFF and the result was the same. The Sub Mini seems to be taking that rumble and then hiding it, maybe only perceptable at higher volumes (I haven't tried a higher volume yet).
The track sounds full enough to me at lower volumes with just the Ones, I honestly think that if it's just for music, you don't need to add the Sub Mini. Check out the comment by @LC Deluxe in this comments section. He mentions that he can only feel the kickback bass similar to what you get in a club, when the bass is ramped up to 13 on the Sub Mini.
So it also depends on how you use it (volume, EQ, and Trueplay) to get the most out of it. I personally would not get the Sub Mini just for pairing with the Ones.
Finally, if you're still curious, I would advise you to buy it from a store with a great returns policy (eg. Sonos directly) to get a better handle on how it would sound in your room. If you do try it, let me know how you get on!
I find it strange that you struggle to hear any difference with music. I think you need to look into subwoofer placement in your room. Do the “crawl test” by putting the subwoofer in your listening position and crawl around the room to find where it’s loudest. I have the sub mini in a large room. 14*7 meters. And after spending some time placing the sub and do the calibration, the difference is massive. Not just more bass, but the overall sound quality also improved. I also have two sub gen 3 in my cabin, and they of course play much louder. But honestly I think the sub mini is the best for music. It appears to be quicker.
Inexperienced ears probably! Still love it especially for movies. Also, it improved a lot for me after the update. Thanks for watching mate 🙂
I have 7*6 meter room. Hope the sub mini and beam 2 is powerful enough. It’s a very big living room. Would I need the arc?
@@pixelmonkey912 I think so, but my best advice for you here is to buy the Beam 2 and Sub Mini from a place that allows free returns (official Sonos website or Amazon for example) and see how you feel about it before splurging out on the more expensive setup.
@@VidVayder yes I will do. I hope it will be enough. The arc and gen 3 will not live to full potential if I can only switch it up to 15% volume you know lol
@@pixelmonkey912 Exactly 😆 I think some people have also said that clarity is better on Beam 2. I could be remembering wrong though. Also, recently there has been complaints about popping on the Arc. Maybe look into that a bit too if you end up deciding you want the Arc.
Great video, have subscribed! In your opinion (Arc user here!), which would be the best to purchase first? The Gen 2's as satellites or the sub?
Thank you 😊 I don't have the Arc but in my opinion you should get the surrounds first and then go for sub. Your bass on the Arc is meant to be pretty good already and I feel like the added dimension you'll get from surrounds will add more to your experience (assuming you're more concerned about movies/TV).
@@VidVayder super helpful, thank you mate!
I have a similar setup and enjoy it very much. I was lucky and used my 20% off for the surround and the beam 2. Paying full price sub mini hurt a little but I enjoy it with movies and Atmos music too. Good review, thanks.
Nice deal on the 20% off! Always feels good to get Sonos at a discount 😀 glad you're happy with your setup and thanks for the kind words.
Came across your channel randomly, nice vid, b roll and summary. Hoping to pick up a mini soon for my tiny apartment..there goes the neighborhood! 😁
Haha, everyone is going to know who you are soon 😆
Thanks for the kind words 🙏 appreciate you watching and making a comment!
Great review! Detailed and informative.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you!
Hi. Top review. Im strongly considering buying the Sub Mini. Ive got 2 Play 3's and want to add something to improve the clarity of voice and instruments.
Would you recommend buying this?
In theory it would help to offload some of the bass, but check that it’s compatible with Play 3 first, and also, buy from a place that allows returns!!
Good review 👍🏻
Thank you 🙏
3:00 Bass sounds muddy when sub is off
3:13 Bass sounds a lot more clean, controlled
Very good ears!
I do hear treble is clearer too.
The difference is much clearer now after the 14.18 update.
Lol the intro 😂😂😂😂
Happens doesn't it 😩
@@VidVayder we all been there 🤣
I've moved on from sonos how and had a gen 3. I'm glad the still sounds good
What did you replace your Sonos with?
@@VidVayder Kef q950 with the powernode
Kef speakers look amazing. I take it your use case leans more towards music listening? Or are those just as good for movies/TV?
@@VidVayder I've replaced the kefs now with b&w 707 s2 with a Kef t2 sub. To answer your question yes I listen to more music than movies and the kefs sound better for both but you can't get the deep bass without a sub. The t2 Kef sub I have is decent but only bought it because someone offered it to me cheap. The b&w 707 s2 might be very small but they sound soo much bigger than they are
Nice. Sounds like you’re happy with your setup. Speakers are expensive to upgrade!
Thanks for the honest review. I was wondering this exact question as I live in an apartment. I don’t want to deal with toggling on and off the sub at night with the app so will probably pass on this.
That's fair. I'm using it right now at 23.30, master volume 14, night mode and haven't toggled the sub off. There has only been a handful of times I've noticed the bass though, but I am worried every time that I'm annoying my neighbour. They haven't banged the wall yet though.
Do you have surrounds?
@@VidVayder Yeah. I have a beam + 2 sonos ones. They were worth every penny. In my old apartment it was all drywall. I had a small sub and I got complaints all the time. My new place is almost all concrete but I’m still a bit concerned about getting a sub now.
@@MadaraMikuSan Fair. And agreed on the beam + ones. What a banger of a combo.
@@MadaraMikuSan I would totally expect this small sub especially cause its sealed and having concrete walls should not be disturbing at all.
Maybe. But after the 14.18 update I feel like the bass has a lot more presence now. Still I try my best to keep it down for my neighbours especially after 9pm.
Great review!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
… I live in a smaller home and I can feel the bass on the floor. It’s really resonant and rich
Wow you must have it loud. I can feel it in my chest but I'm too scared to go to floor vibration levels.
@@VidVayder no not loud. Mid way. My home isn’t huge
@@TemujinScott80 OK, I think I'm going to wait for one of these days where all of my neighbours are definitely out and I'll see about this floor rumbling bass. Looking forward to it 😁
@@VidVayder yes!
I have Sonos Beam and 2 Sonos One. I bought Sub Mini and the upgrade is not significant. I barely notice the difference at mid volume. Maybe it’s a difference at high volume but I don’t need high volume. I returned the Sub Mini and considering upgrade to Sonos Arc.
That's sad to hear it didn't make much difference to you. Are you primarily using it with music or entertainment? If music, I was advised to try the following tracks for good bass:
1. Zomboy - Bad Intentions
2. Skrillex - Mumbai Power
3. Excision - Night Shine
4. The expanse soundtrack - Truth
For entertainment, I can notice it mostly on 5.1 PCM and Dolby Atmos.
If you have space for the Sonos Arc then defo go for that, but will you pair it with a Sub Gen 3, or rely on the Arc's bass?
I had exactly the same outcome. Gen2 beam and two ones . Sounded better when I turned the sub mini off! 12 x 12 room. Unless I jacked up the volume no improvement at all! I am thinking exactly the same. Better to upgrade to a Arc in small room than go any where near a sub. Sub mini returned. Sonos should explain there is no improvement at low volume. Unless you can crank it up. Don't bother.
I have an arc and sub mini and noticed a big difference upon pairing as the arc has more equipment to work with for mid and highs since you are off loading the bass to the sub. Your sub should be a compliment to the sound. You dont want to be the 16 year old kid who just put subs in his car that's vibrating all the way down the road.
Definitely be feeling the bass is too loud for my neighbors even at low volumes lol
Got to admit I've been considering returning it, or using it very very sparingly.
Get sound absorbing foam. I have had no complaints from neighbors and even let them know and told them to text me if it bleeds through.
@@innocentrage1 what’s the brand you got specifically?
There is no way in hell it weighs 400 poundz
It does feel like it’s worth £400 though 😉
Apartment Office: Dear Sonos user, we are Sorry...
This made me laugh 😆
Out of curiosity, under Surround Audio do you have Music Playback set to FULL and music level to +15?
Hey, I have it set to full yes. I had everything else in my settings neutral (at 0). I'm sure my music test would have been more effective if I played with settings. Btw I did listen to the test again after completing my video and I could hear the subtle difference in the music test.
Can't be bothered with a system that wants you to have an iPhone. Ill stick with my A7000
Because of the Trueplay tuning?
I bought my mini to add to my sonos beam setup similar to how you did. I only picked up the mini as I got two new neighbors who were less than considerate about the noise they make especially when it came to subwoofer sound and miscellaneous items on my small apartment walls shaking around when they blasted whatever terrible music they listened to.
This review was spot on my exact thoughts only far more articulate and to the point. Thanks for that!
Overall I found it to be an absolute powerhouse if I wanted to drown out the neighboring sub sounds with my own. Having the ability to easily move around and adjust the sub's intensity is an absolute win in my books. The form factor was easy enough to blend where I needed it to and the toggle is easy to access for when my neighbors briefly begin considering their system may be a bit overkill and turn it down.
With the sub slider option I can fine tune the intensity of it depending on what I am watching and I don't need to play with a ton of different settings to achieve the effects I want, quickly.
Great review and explanations. Thank you for your work!
Wow, that doesn’t sound like a fun neighbour but it sounds like they got your point 😂 thanks for the kind words I’m glad you found the video helpful, and good to hear you’re enjoying the Sub Mini 👊
No difference here.
You can't tell much difference with your setup? I was advised to try these songs:
1. Zomboy - Bad Intentions
2. Skrillex - Mumbai Power
3. Excision - Night Shine
4. The expanse soundtrack - Truth
See how you get along with those, and also a Dolby Atmos show on Disney+ or Netflix. Others have also mentioned that they can't feel it as much with music but the performance on tv/movies is noticeable.
音楽はsubなくてもいいが、映画はないとゴミ
Without any EQ, it is better with TV, movies and gaming. For people who mostly listen to music I don't think the Sub Mini is necessary.
How could you not notice a difference in bass when adding a sub to just a sono beam and two ones? Like what? I could underatd if you had two fives… Turned it off after that. You know nothing Jon snow.
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