Week 15: Adding Saltwater Fish Intelligently and Safely. | 52 Weeks of Reefing
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2015
- Welcome to Week 15 of 52 Weeks of Reefing! This week we are going to talk fish; not just how to select your first fish but how to build an entire "fish plan". We'll cover quarantining options, acclimation methods, an overview of feeding procedures, and end with the firs inhabitants of the #BRS160.
There are all kinds of things to consider when you are stocking the tank. You really need to consider the must haves and work your way back from there.
1. Diet - If an eel or lion fish are something you just have to have it is probably going to have to be a dwarf species of lion or dwarf golden moray so they don't eat your fish. Even then you are probably ruling out smaller fish, shrimp, or crabs since they will likely become eel or lionfish snacks. In fact if you really like shrimp and crabs there is a whole host of fish like many wrasses and hawkfish which are basically off the table. If you really want a mandarin at some point you need to skip fish like Coris wrasse which will likely out-compete it for food.
2. Size - As size is concerned most fish stores or online vendors will be able to tell you pretty easy if the size of the fish is appropriate for the tank. Keep in mind this advice is generally on the liberal side and should really be considered a maximum. There is one big exception to that rule. If you are willing to give the fish back to the store when it gets too big or trade it with someone you know there is no reason you can’t put a juvenile fish in a tank which is smaller than the adult version would live in. In fact within the couple years that it takes to outgrow the tank you might even upgrade to a larger tank. Make sure it isn't a species that doesn't grow disproportionately fast and try not to be reckless but you can bend the rules if it is part of a long term plan and the health of the fish is part of that plan.
3. How Many Fish - There are a ton of rules about how many fish which are decent guidelines but I have never met a single reefer who actively follows them religiously. Most of us want as many fish as possible but every fish you add generally increases the need for water changes, potential for nutrient issues like algae growth.
Too many fish, especially of the same type also reduces potential habitat and competition for food sources. When you are making your fish plan consider amount of available habitat. There are three basic areas in the tank. Sand dwellers like gobies, fish who like to perch on surfaces like hawk fish and fish that spend most of their time in open water like tangs, chromis and anthias. Try spreading the fish you select over the various habitats available in your aquascape.
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I smashed the like button when you said you didnt quarantine the fish. Your obviously an honest and genuine dude. Thanks for the killer vids
Some if not the best videos about fish keeping and reefs on the internet. Keep up good work!
Honestly I started watching this channel just for the intro "today on brs tv!" Gets me hype about reefing lol but very good information
Awesome! Not a lot of channels go in this much detail for beginners. I love these videos and can't wait to see the end result
GREAT advice. will watch all the remaining video. I learned so much watching the last few.
Thanks for being a balanced info channel. You guys rock!
I absolutely love your training classes!! AWESOME!
So important to have a great fish store! I have seen set ups for my local fish store and the online one in my state!
Personally, I always QT fish for minimum 4-6 weeks with some exceptions. I also like to do a Freshwater dip. And I swear by QT'ing them in Microbe Lift Artemiss and Herbtana. Both of these products are reef safe and I've successfully treated my system with them with no ill affects as well. I also like to add powdered ginger and fresh garlic to the thawed/rinsed frozen fish food.
in 30 years of fish keeping I have never quarantined and I never medicate fish , I have found the best treatment for any fish is good water parameters and stress free environment. Most fish diseases are symptomatic of bad parameters and stress and disappear quickly when these two things are covered. ICH white spot and most parasites are always present, bad parameters and stress will compromise the fishes immune system and then they will take hold.
Such a well balanced and educated video! Thanks BRS!
+BRS,Prefect,just the channel I needed,going to start a reef tank and what a wealth of knowledge here,so much input,I take my hat off,thank you!Going to start within the month,so I imagine I'll watch everyone of your videos,sounds like you can never have enough knowledge
As a new reefer about to set up a tank, this series has been massively helpful. Thank youuuuuuuu!
Keep the good stuff coming, it is helping quite a bit with my build. I am currently doing a skinny build as I got a good deal on a stand. 48x12". I have the option of getting a 45g (16h)or a 55g (21h), any suggestions?
nice addition to the tank, had fire fish in my first saltwater tank. I really enjoyed having them I only had a pair in a 2 gallon.
i am doing a science project and this is the most perfect thing to learn about fish and it is all done thx to this guy!
Another great job Ryan!
Cuttle fish.... murdered everything ...I love it 🥰
Love this series and this build. I myself am constantly learning something from you over brs, which is excellent for when I finally start my own reef tank in the next few months!
+BulkReefSupplyCom I definitely will. Will probably make most of my purchases from BRS.
+BulkReefSupplyCom I definitely will. Will probably make most of my purchases from BRS.
Excellent video. I always learn something new when I watch these videos. You think you have a good handle on the basics to reefkeeping and then you guys come along a throw in some new, and I dare say much trusted, information on the topic at hand. Thanks, you make my reefkeeping experience one which is fun and well informed. I'm wondering if you are going to address how to handle tank-mate squabbles and aggressive behavior?
Great video, never thought of using fire fish to start. I usually start with chromis. I like to keep a small school of them in the tank. I like that idea, the next set of fish to my new 150g tank is going to be the fire fish. thanks, keep up the great videos.
Awesome vid. Cannot wait to see this tank in the future, think you guys will have a vid updatebon the clownfish anenome tank?
great video - i got some great ideas! thanks! oh, and as far as a quarantine tank goes ... we use our refugium every now and then :) it's 10 gallons and does a pretty great job since our 145 gallon system is stable already and we don't wanna turn the house into a fish farm :D
I like this video. Thank you guys for the information❤
My tang is actually like the moderator, if my damsel is acting up onna new fish my tang gets at him
I honestly like to cycle with Dr Tim's live bacteria and a dose of ammonium chloride then just wait a week or 2. Safest way to make sure no ammonia
Pp I am p. Senkhuuuio Has morning I gotta this poscrum why ammonium chloride? Why not ammonium nitrate ? Chlorine kills microbes which are bacteria... In sports turf which is my field of expertise we try to stay away from anything with chlorine or chlorides like potassium chloride or ammonium chloride be cause chlorine just kills bacteria (your beneficial and you so do you realize when you dump your ammonium chloride in you are killing all your dr Tim’s live bacteria 🦠. Chlorine kills microbes !!! That’s why I always try to stay away as bad as I can
Rush Limbaugh Ammonium Chloride is pure ammonia. Ammonia nitrate isn’t. Also, Dr Tim’s makes the Ammonium Chloride to pair with his One and only bacteria. Chlorine alone will kill bacteria but not ammonium chloride. It’s a different molecule. It’s basic chemistry. Test kits test for ammonium chloride. If you look at any fish less cycling bacteria product. You will see you are supposed to add ammonium chloride to the water until it reaches a certain ppm and then wait for the bacteria to eat it. Once the ammonia level goes down to 0 in 24 hrs your tank is cycled.
@@aerynstormcrow i used tims ammonia with Microbacter7 while seeding my media. In 2.5 weeks i was yielding nitrate. Still giving 10-12 drops in my 25 gallons of water while waiting on the reef tank to come in. Cycled that media without tims bacteria
@@aerynstormcrow that is true about ammonia, but then nitrite comes up and stays a little longer before converting to nitrate. The bacteria that consume nitrite can bee seeded better for reproduction in hyposalinic and at a temp of 84 degrees
@@kiddt1999 microbacter is good too. I just have always used dr Tim’s bc it’s what I started with once I started cycling with bacteria instead of from scratch.
I just love your videos ... So dam informative.
dude your videos are awesome
Great video Ryan
Awesome Ryan! Thank you. This video will really help alot of people. and save them money at start up. because alot of stores and people say you "have to" have a skimmer to start a aquarium. When actually you "have to" let it become an aquarium first. I actually know of several successful aquariums without a skimmer! but I prefer to run one.
+BulkReefSupplyCom thanks, but like you I prefer the proper way.
I too have had severe difficulty in quarantining marine life. I feel like it's important, though, so there's gotta be a good way to do it.
Thanks a lot for the video ❤️
Great video!
Great information.
Another awesome vid. Just wondering if you've had any jumpers with the fire gobies yet mate. I notice there are no lids on the tank.
Even the Dutch love these video''s
bravo, great video, finally someone said, buy a fish such as a tang small, then u can always move it when it gets too big, I see many tangs in very small tanks in a local lfs for many months before getting bought, I use that safety stop solution and never had a problem with it, maybe u guys should carry it, you can send me a few packets for recommending it!!!
Firefish! Really?! Kidding - another great video. Keep them coming!
Do you plan on updating us viewers with new fish additions or will we just see new ones as the series goes along? Hey, let the viewers decide!
Those fish are known jumpers.... do you put a screen top over the tank?
If the dealer did quarantines and the freshwater dipping your fish should be okay. Personally I had not heard about freshwater dipping before, sure seems like an effective tool. Good luck! :)
Also I like that you chose Firefish, I have always liked the way these guys look.
Know this is late, but on the part of you not QT'ing the fish. Considering they was first additions, could you not argue that the DT could be classed as a QT if you're holding off further additions for a while? If they do show signs as long as you don't treat with copper you should be ok? (Considering getting into marine / reef tanks so more of a question)
I wish you would talk about fish treatments. the medication used and the time treated.
Adding your first batch of fish doesn't really require QT as there are no other fish to get sick. You could introduce something nasty into your tank but you could treat for it without worry of harming an invert population or anything else.
However with additional fish adds, I would recommend to anyone watching this to QT a minimum of 2 weeks, better if you can do a full month. If the fish behaves normally and is a good eater, you probably have a healthy fish. Certain fish are more susceptible to ICH than others - I would recommend QT'ing them a full 12 weeks before adding to your tanks. It seems like a long time but really is nothing when compared to how much time you would spend tearing down your tanks & treating for ICH. As someone that has gotten ich from online retailers, and multiple LFS, I am always on the watch out for it becomes pretty easy to recognize over a full length QT. Risk of doing a shorter QT is that the parasite can be hidden from you (eg - in the gills) and a fish that otherwise looks healthy could be a carrier ready to really ruin your day.
All that said it can a good a idea to try and create a "display" QT tank where it is easy to observe on a regular basis since your fish may be in there for a while :)
When quarantining fish, do you always treat the fish assuming they have a disease? Or do you inspect for 4 weeks then if you see a problem within that time you treat the fish?
He has a similar speech to Bill Murray cool video
nice work
I always love seeing saltwater empire
Which kind of sand sifting goby do you recommend? I want one that won't make a lot of mess and cause a sand storm?
How do you guys feel about short quarantines in a 5-gal? I was planning on getting one, and using water taken from the display so the parameters match. Was considering keeping a cleaner shrimp on hand for it.
If anyone seriously thinks you didn't take enough precautions before introducing that fish that's insane. Plus you usually DO quarantine. In this situation the fish came from a fish store you trust and know, where it was quarantined and medicated there. Plus you did another dip of your own. Totally fine
yes! ATO is where I'm at right now. upgrading to a 90 and am rebuilding everything again lol
+Reject06
ato will be your best friend. its so so so much nicer to not deal with that headache daily. its great for kalkwasser if you ever go that route
yeah!! believe me I know the daily hassle. i have a 5 gallon jug next to the tank with RODI water and it's getting old lifting and topping off three times a day. I've been eye balling the Tunze Osmolator ATO but will find out if anything new/better came out when Ryan does next weeks show. been digging this series big time with all the new toys and such!!
Can we get an update on all of the fish in the BRS 160?
Buenos días, me gustaría mucho ver tus vídeos con subtítulos en español, gracias.
hey man can you guys make an update on the clownfish herm tank its been an while i saw them
never kept marine but i never quarantine a freshwater fish if it’s in a new tank
Didnt realize a yellow tang is an aggressive fish. I added him relatively soon and I swear him and one of the clowns are best friends lol
they can be super mean, but not always
How long would you recommend to freshwater dip a fish?
What do you think I should do with clean up members such as snails and crabs? Should I QT them?
Hi Ryan, would a 10 gallon quarantine tank be good enough or should I get a bigger size tank? I have a 40 gallon tank i'm preparing.
How long do you freshwater dip? And do you do this before or after you acclimate?
I always quarantine because I live in Canada and I can't buy any fish meds other than copper. My entire tank was wiped out when I started because of a marine velvet outbreak.
Sorry to hear about the velvet outbreak 🙁
You state to take a marine pure block out and put in your QT tank but after you are finished with the QT do you replace the MP block with a new one or can you clean it and put back in your sump?
What about a clean up crew? Are you going to discuss that? Also how about a refugium? Won't firefish eventually kill each other off until only one is left?
Did you guys end up getting any diatom blooms? How long did it take for your setup to fully cycle?
I had many shrimp with my eel for years no issues ,same went with my lion fish it only ate 1 shrimp on me
Probably fed them well!
What type of preventative medication would you recommend for a Yellow Tang? I always QT my new fish with Seachem Paraguard but I know Tangs can typically come with more harmful diseases like Ich. I know copper treatment like Cupramine is a popular option, but I'm not sure how much and how long to treat for. Thanks.
I have yet to have a fire fish not jump out of the tank. Do you think adding multiple fire fish will have more success. I have some netting I can use. But I'd prefer not to. Also, what type of more aggresive fish will you be adding down the road that wont freak the fire fish out.
Does it matter if you start with fish or corals as the new tanks first addition? Can you do them at the same time? I know for bio-load reasons, we just add a few fish at a time. Is there a rule about how many types of corals you can add at the same time? Loving these videos. About to make the jump into a reef tank.
Thanks for the response. I live a few hours down the road from you guys in Des Moines. Might have to take a road trip soon! Keep up the great videos. I've gotten nothing done at work in weeks because watching these videos is all I'm doing.. Hahahah.
Awesome video as always. What is the fish at 8:42 ?
What's the problem with dwarf angel fish nipping at coral?
How do you plan on handling the jumping risk of firefish, since you don't have a lid on the tank??
Any tips on how to catch fish from the main tank? ;-)
Hi there, i'm looking to get an eel for a 30 gal tank, any suggestions
I have a 130g tank. Can I add a tomini tang, and a square tail tang to this tank? they will be introduced at the same time. (20g QT, then to DT)
I just bought a peninsula 20 and I want to keep a fuzzy dwarf in it and if I could keep other fish it would be nice it will be ready for the bio load 20 pounds of live rock,20 pounds of sand matrix, ghost protein skimmer and a diy cheato reactor and if necessary a drop algae scrubber but the main questions are
1.) could you put a fuzzy dwarf lion fish in the 20 gallon tank
2.) if kept well fed could I also keep a flame angel and clown with it if the flame angel gets to big I will do orchid dottyback
P.S. you guy have awesome customer service keep up the great work.
BulkReefSupplyCom I am not fighting your awnser, but you should check igreens guide for nano fish online but there are things I don't agree with on it.
hi,I have a cube tank with 70*70 cm length * wide.
what's your recommend reef safe fish for my tank?
can I keep tangs?
thanks,
Do you cut the lights when adding the fish?
Hey so I have been in the freshwater side of the hobby for about 4-5 years. I have previously owned countless 30 gallons, a 55 gal and more recently a 125 gallon. Theres a pretty sweet deal on craigslist right now for a 220 gallon with a 55 gallon sump for 600 bucks. Im thinking to sell my 125 and use some extra savings on it. Just wondering what stocking would be good? I definitely
want a reef with soft and sps, as well as inverts. I want some fish with big personality and not too small although i love clownfish, gobies, dottybacks, etc. I think the reason for this is bc i wanted to switch to salt for
a while and those are good fish for a small tank. I love to research as it is fun for me to learn so i think i can handle a decent challenge. Any ideas? thanks... sorry for
being too broad. Lots of fish out there lol
Ryan - question for ya (and thank you for all the answers you're already giving between the videos and comments) - my 54 is up and running, first fish are in (pair of clowns) and all is going well. Question is this: at what point should I start thinking cleanup crew? I started with dry rock and sand, so no algae/diatoms etc at this point as I've experienced in the past with liverock...I only feed the clowns a pinch of frozen mysis about every other day, so not sure I'm really generating enough "crud" for a clean-up-crew at this point...thoughts?
+Mitch Brenner whenever the tank starts to get dirty. a sandbed will get dirty fast, so you should get some nassarius snails. but otherwise, if the tank isnt dirty, you dont really need a clean up crew
Whats the total cost at this point? Will there be an itemized equipment/product list?
What rule of thumb does BRS use to stocking an aquarium?
new reefer here and I was just wondering what the spiral looking coral was at 9:30? It is beautiful and any info on it would be greatly appreciated!
That looks to be a Montipora capricornis (or monti cap for short) :)
Hello I have a few questions if you could plz help the dwarf lion you showed was a fuzzy dwarf correct? As for keeping a fuzzy with a mandarin do you think that would be an issue won’t be the only 2 fish and it’s a 125 6 foot tank last question can I keep fairy wrasses with mandarins
I was told Disk Trevally aren’t reef friendly can someone explain why? Also will they eat my fish?
Yellow tangs in my country are 1000$ because theyre all the way from hawaii
What is the name of that dark blue fish at 4:47? And does adding crabs or snails still count as doubling the amount of fish?
so Ryan how many firefish is in there? Great video!
+jurif100 6
Can I add fish to a tank that is currently being medicated? (It’s a qt tank and I put the medicine yesterday)
what are thise white blocks in the sump?
What is the fish that is being fed the shrimp at 11:25? Also what is the compatibility with other fish?
Robin fish
Hi! =) One question, do I need to cycle my quarantine tank? Some say yes others say no. I was thinking of putting a fish into QT while my DT is cycling. For my QT I have bought the Tunze Comline Filter 3162 for filtration, but not sure if that would be enough, or what I can put into the filter bag (i did get some active carbon for it unless I need to medicate).
Since I'm new to this I want to QT all my fish, so I would probably add one or two creatures every month to my DT, meaning I will have a quarantine tank running at all times. If I need to cycle it first I should get that going now, haha. And do I need to change the water between each fish for quarantine?
When can I add some clean up crew? Do I need to have had fish for a while first, or can I add a few snails etc with the first fish after the cycle? And do I need to QT the clean up crew? This seemed to be something people had different opinions on, some said no QT needed, others say QT absolutely everything, some say you need to have fish for a while before adding CUC, others say as soon as cycle is done.
Also Firefish is on my list of critters I want, so after seeing this video I will add it first as well :)
Thanks for the reply :) I did join ReefCentral, and I've read pretty much every sticky there is, watched this series a few times, and tried my best to learn as much as possible over the last few months. But when I do start threads to ask questions that I cannot find the answer to, I get told to read articles instead of getting answers, so it kinda keeps me away from asking more questions (like last time when I had made a list and researched what kind of critters and corals I would like, all suitable for beginners, and wanted to know if they would all get a long in the long run and in what order they would recommend me introducing them, since I dont want war in my tank, then got told to reasearch what organisms I want and if they are compitable). And to be honest, when there are so much information about so many topics, sumps, quarantine, cycling, curing, medication, diseases, waterchanges, overflow types, filtration, types of corals, dosing, feeding the right diet, different types of lighting for different types of critters, and everything else, I do get overwhelmed at times and I do end up having some questions :) So when I do ask them and get told to read it gets me no where, haha :)
I have a 20gallon with 2clownfish what 3rd fish should I add?
Does anyone have any tips on keeping a cowfish ?
I’m not sure if it’s just terrible luck but my flame hawk fish is insanely aggressive, I’ve had this flame hawk for around 6 months .I had one before that around 8 years ago and zero problems with other reef fish . This one killed my black cap bass in under 4 hours of him being in the tank with all the lights off . Is it rare to have one this aggressive ? I’ve never heard of them being this aggressive towards others fish like this .
Hey my name is Chris and I've decided that I want to start a saltwater reef tank this is all new to me and I would love if you could guide me through it as I set up my tank so I feel more confident and make sure my aquarium is safe
+BulkReefSupplyCom thanks so much!
What kind of banner fish do you have?
So, since a sand shifting gobi needs time to establish territory, is it okay to add it early on? maybe if you use live sand or something...
Thanks for replying :D Didn't know those forums -I'll check those out :)
I'm confused. 1st wave of fish goby and shrimp pairs. Last wave of fish gobies? What am I missing here
No clean up crew?
How many total fish would fit well in a 20 gal including clean up crew?
Oh and how do I get a montipora cap to grow like the one in 9:29 or is that random and luck? And would you recommend one anthias in a 20 gal or would it be too cramped? Thanks
What kind of fish is shown at 11:25?
What do you use if you have added fish and you get a ammonia spike? I am currently cycling. Just curious 🤔
If this were to happen, one option would be to add some nitrifying bacteria like Dr Tim's one and only or Biospira. Alternatively, there are products out there like Seachem Prime that can help neutralize ammonia in emergency situations.