Comic book characters are bassicaly that annoying kis that says "Euh no" when their character takes damage or "Noo my character is stronger" while anime characters get their ass beat 24/7
@@Blackatar_the_last_BackbenderArchie sonic is written by an author who needs some level of consistency. Scp is written by random internet nerds who are always trying to one up each other. Do the math
The immortality bit. There's a character in Archie known as Moguel, a mage in Chaos Magic. His own words have stated "Twice I have risen to godhood. And twice, I failed simply because you were there." He later reveals his plans to Sonic. He is immortal, Sonic isn't. His literal plan for world domination is to simply wait till Sonic dies of old age, and THEN take over the world
Apparently Archie Sonic is essentially the Avatar. An agent of Chaos who literally cannot lose and exists to basically check and balance all of the supervillain freaks in Mobius. It's the reason why Eggman used both the Genesis wave and caused Genesis wave incident. Because the only way that he could beat Sonic is if he destroys the universe and goes somewhere else.
Yeah, unless Archie sonic is going up against characters from super dragon ball heroes no one is even touching much less damaging him. Still a great video though.
As an avid fan of both series, if we’re just going by Game Sonic alone, no one in DBS remotely gets near him, including Zeno or the Grand Priest. People really do not look at the broken-ass feats this little rat does. Especially from titles like 06, Secret Rings, Generations, etc. Which involves him doing shit like - Negging an omnipresent timeline wiping Sun God, - While half-dead in a sense and in base form, was able to pummel a Demigod who absorbed 500 dimensions and the astral plane, - Accelerating so fast, that he starts fixing all of time and space, again in Base, - Has Time & Space Manip via Chaos Control, Fate & Plot Manipulation going off SATSR, and was above the Narrative in his Darkspin Form when he fought Alf Layla Wa Layla, - Escaping a dimensionless construct sealed off from every universe just by running, and in said game, beats someone who is stated to be his strongest opponent yet, meaning Current Base Sonic > Any version or form of him from the games prior to Forces. - And in the most recent Modern Title, Sonic now has 2 additional transformations that exceed his Super Form, said form being canonically incapable of being hurt by people who scale below him. There’s also a small nitpick when he mentioned a Funimation Dub error for disproving Raditz ftl, when A: He’s almost 4 times stronger than Piccolo, who with a casual energy blast, reached all the way to and destroyed the moon in mere seconds, B: Kid Goku when fighting Tenshinhan in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, was able to run to the audience, steal Roshi’s glasses, come back and put them on before the light of Tien’s Taiyoken even reached him. But that’s a debate for a different time. (*Also 2nd Coming Broly bullied an SS2 Gohan who did train. Not really that relevant but he mentions that Gohan didn’t train.*) Edit. Heck, when he mentioned Sonic Rush, in the same game, he beat the Egg Salamander, who not only went toe to toe with both Super Sonic and Burning Blaze in the final boss, but drained the Sol Emeralds, said Emeralds being unable to co-exist with the Chaos Emeralds and would have destroyed both Sonic and Blaze’s Dimensions, also he mentions Archie Super not having a set multipler, but in the Clash of the Titans issue, Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles are confirmed to become 1000x greater than before. Tl;Dr: funni blue rat bullied multiverse of steroid abusers and hair-dyers.
Not at all, goku destroying the macrocosm can scale as high as 7d to possibly even outer(depends how you translate certain statements, although this interpretation is definitely more outlandish) with Archie sonic scaling anywhere from 6-7d in super form
@@sergperez5484goku does not scale to outerversal, most say he’s complex multi. most archie powerscales rank him in high outerversal+. even if goku was stronger he isn’t hitting the 3ft rat who is able to move millions of times faster
@@samirbelica2358yeah as much as I love Goku, his ass is getting whooped from Sonic. Only way he can win is if UI is able to dodge literally anything (like Whis), but even then idk
what's sad is as a Sonic fan over here i didn't know all this stuff bout him, did not expect he'd just straight up be able to go through the entire DB franchise like that lmao
Not the whole franchise, but yeah most of it. Because you also have insane characters like Jump Force Goku and God Fusion Goku who are on the level of the author and beyond. I say that Archie Sonic is relative to Xeno Goku. Archie Sonic has 1 billion lives, but Xeno Goku has a passive ability where he siphons his opponent's power as their fight goes on. So Xeno Goku would never grow tired, while also growing in power (as he's absorbing Sonic's power.) And Sonic has a billion lives. It's almost a never ending battle. They have around the same power and speed. But somethings that Xeno has over Archie are hax. Xeno almost literally has all the hax that a character can have. That power siphon passive he has is also what gives Xeno the edge in the battles.
Z and Maybe Super yes but definitely not end if GT Goku. Hes quite literally immortal, isnt bound by time, space, or physics and exists in a realm thats outside even the highest dieties making him Outerversal by definition "Dragon God" Goku is on a level that no other DB entity is even close to
You dont know this stuff because Archie Sonic arguments nitpick rare issues of toon force. He won't say hoe a Coconut is enough to KO archie Sonic, or a typical Eggman aircraft isnt easy for Archie Sonic to catch up to. Or that Ian Flynn debunked these claims as in his mind, Sonic wasnt this omniversal being. These Archie Sonic debate discussions ignore antifeats, writer's statements, and focus on obscure toonforce events
If you read 200 issues of Archie Sonic straight, he won't make it far in Naruto. Its absurd how much nitpicking is done in Archie Sonic vs videos. There are inconsistencies, but in most cases, Sonic's durability is not very high. Super Sonic is a different story. The writers are unsure how to depict Super Sonic due to the game inconsistencies
Awesome to see people debating Archie Sonic power level and such. Lol this is nostalgic for me. I would love to inform anyone who wants to know a little more about his stats and his lore. I've read every Archie Sonic comic and know a lot about his character and his universe although it has been some time so I may be a little off with my points here. Now to help clear up some things for anyone curious, :) 1.) Is Archie Sonic canon? Technically yes but it is complicated. Officially, Sega has gone on record to say that all official media created by them is canon. Every Sonic exists in their own individual set of games, comics, shows, movies, and ect. It's like a multiverse. FUN FACT: In the Archie Sonic canon, Sonic is referred to Sonic Prime, the most Sonic of all the Sonics, and if Archie Sonic was to die then all Sonics throughout the multiverse would die. This implies that Archie Sonic is THE MOST canon of ALL the Sonics. (However, it could be argued that Archie Sonic is no longer the prime sonic since his universe was hit by Eggman's Super Genesis Wave. It erased all of Archie Sonic's and Archie Megaman's realities; however, Super Sonic survived and rewrote them both back into existence with completely new lore. Basically the Archie Sonic canon got rebooted by Super Sonic himself and it is possible he didn't reinstate himself as Sonic Prime of the multiverse since MANY other lore heavy things were completely changed.) 2.) Archie Sonic BASE Stats: 2a.) Speed- As you show in your video, Archie Sonic has gag character speed feats that break all physics, the speed of Light x1,000,000+, breaking the 4th wall, basically infinite speed. However, I will say most of those feats were written early on in the Comic's lifespan when he was indeed more so just a gag character. (Think of it like how Kid Goku was breaking Manga panels early on in the original Dragonball Manga!) Later on in the Archie story line though, Sonic's speed was nerfed big time by the writers so he could have more of a challenge and the stories would be more unpredictable. Sonic is very heavily implied to be around light speed if not a little slower without any amps once the writers quit giving him infinite speed feats all the time Lol. 2b.) Durability- Also as you show in your video, Archie Sonic has got to be insanely durable to survive that blast that sent him over 800,000+ lightyears away from where the blast hit him. Basically, as long as Sonic has ring energy he can survive any attack. (That's kinda like his Ki I suppose, like in the games Lol) Now, Sonic surviving being erased from existence has very important context. In the canon, after collecting his one billionth power ring Sonic gained an completely invincible spirit. In the comic, Sonic is transformed into a robot yet manages to keep his free will thanks to the power of his one billionth ring. (So fyi this implies Sonic is immune to mind control and possibly even Hit's Time Stop hacks like that, ect. ) Sonic then sacrifices his robot body to save his friends but "dies" in the process. However again thanks to Sonic's one billionth power ring, Sonic is able to just pull himself back into existence from nothingness because his spirit is immortal now. ( If i remember correctly though, I think that was implied to be a one time thing until Sonic collects another billion rings. It was a reference to how in the video games when you collect 100 rings you gain an extra Life Lol) So theoretically, Sonic could collect another billion rings in the Archie comics and gain that extra Life again though. That would make sense. 2c.) Power- I'll keep this short and simple. Archie Sonic's Power Level if he was in the Dragonball universe would be 19,610,150,500,000,000,000 which would put him on the same Tier as the Gods of Destruction according to a friend of mine that knows about power levels more than I do. Lol I think it is funny Archie Sonic ended up being on that level since all the other Gods of Destruction are also like mutant animal creatures. [Mathematical Proof] Force= Mass * Acceleration. Sonic has the mass of a ~100cm mutant hedgehog and is able to accelerate arguably infinitely and non-arguably about a million of times faster than lightspeed (Lowballing) So, lowballing the raw physical force Archie Sonic could excerpt would be around 784,092,255,112,880,000,000 Newtons. For reference Yamcha tries using the Gravity chamber in the Trunks Saga at 300g and barely pushes back against 199,920 Newtons. ( For Mass I used about 100 pounds for Archie Sonic and for acceleration I used 17,286,273,555,555,555,556m/second^2 which would be Sonic going 148,000 light years within 9 seconds which is the lowball given in your video.) Yamcha's power level in the Trunks Saga is about 50,000 narratively. So, now that we know Yamcha's limit, his power level, and Archie Sonic's lowball limit: Archie Sonic's power level in DBZ would be exactly 19,610,150,500,000,000,000. (784,092,255,112,880,000,000*50,000/199,920= 19,610,150,500,000,000,000 . Wow! 3.)Super Archie Sonic: Just imagine everything Base Sonic can do except but now with the hacks 3a) of being completely invincible. Both his body and his spirit now like with the one Billionth ring I mentioned. 3b) Complete control over Time and Space temporarily. Basically, Reality warping on the atomic and even "spiritual" level. Chaos Control, ect. (Chaos Control means to stop time and teleport anything to anywhere you want. 3c) Flight Lol In conclusion, Base Archie Sonic would be on the same power level as the Gods of Destruction like Beerus. I think the Angels like Whis would actually be able to take out base Archie Sonic if one could get a lucky hit on him. But you'd have to assume he couldn't just respawn himself into existence. Perhaps the Super Dragonballs could counter the one billionth ring extra lives thing going on. Meanwhile, Super Archie Sonic would easily be on Zeno level. Zeno would have to be Multiversal+ AND have negations toward Time/Space/Reality manipulation more impressive than Super Sonic's multiversal feats to even stand a chance of winning.
"from what i found from sonic fans online, he just really is that guy" lmao yeah scaling sonic throughout his video game history similar to separating shounen by arcs makes it a teeny more fair tho. archie sonic is crazy even for sonic standards
@@bestaround3323 from what ive seen archie sonic is literally a counter match up only other broken speedsters like wally west have a chance to beat him but even then its really up for debate since sonic actually has infinite speed in base which has been proven multiple times from games and the comics but to put into perspective how op he is the chaos force which is the power the chaos emeralds can make anything happen should the user want it or wish it hard enough if they are trained and the master of said chaos force the person who figured out how to use that force deadass said the best way to beat sonic is to just wait for that mf to die of old age
@@idkisuckatnames8160It took Eggman a nearly invincible machine to get his W. And even then Sonic could absolutely demolish it once he went mad enough.
@@bestaround3323Generally saying archie sonic should be complex multiversal. Just for example (maybe it got mentioned along the content) eggman, his archnemesis, build a machine called the genesis wave, which is basically beerus' hakai or zeno's erasure, but way more powerful. Plus, he can actively choose how to change the reality. The super genesis wave is the upgraded version of said machine, which the reality affecting capabilities grow from a universal to at least a multiversal magnitude. And Super Sonic wasn't only able to resist such effects, but using his chaos control rewrite reality. This could be sonic, if he's fighting dragonball characters (or basically some frauds): ruclips.net/video/vK272OlTWKw/видео.htmlsi=R6bSMDn9IJTJ3rcf
Actually, Sega confirmed Archie sonic is Canon, Besides There's multiple sonics out like the movie, Modern, classic, Archie, boom, manga,, so don't say it is Non-Canon
I don't even read the Archie Comics and I know how busted Sonic is. As for game Sonic, I personally think he gets to Kid Buu maybe a bit higher but that bubble gums a hard roadblock.
Base Game Sonic has scaling that puts him more relative to Gods of Destruction than Kid Buu (Due to ever so often Eggman’s inventions having statements of being his strongest creation yet while weaker ones in older games could merge together or destroy 2 separate universes similar to what Beerus and Champa clashing of what Infinite Zamasu was gonna do Super Sonic legit scales beyond anything in Super including Zeno and Super Shenron since he beat people like Solaris, Time Eater, the Titans, the End etc
yeah do keep in mind sonic has fought 2 interdimensional time gods capable of destroying the universe in the games, so he’s still up there just not as much as archie, i’d say he caps out somewhere in super
It all depends on dimensionality as well. Game sonic caps at 5D. While Goku at the moment in Super is somewhere in 6-7D. You also have to keep in mind that the DB verse and the Dragon Quest verse are connected. And if we include DQ scaling, Goku's scaling skyrockets.
Archie Sonic is so underappreciated when he's one of the few characters who could beat Kirby in a fight, he needs more recognition Also, the answer is kinda obvious (he survives everything), but you should do a video on Kirby, it would be fun
Also the super form works different in the Archie comics, sonic has figured out how to do super sonic with a single ring. And the more rings or chaos emeralds he used the more powerful he can become. He can also use chaos control with only power rings.
@@arcadiadubs I would have to look at my old stash of comics I have in a storage unit because I’m not sure where to officially go to get them. But it was pre super genesis wave. I think it was something along the lines of after he achieved a certain amount of rings, he was able to unlock more power out of the rings and after that mile stone he could pull enough power to super sonic. However at that point it wasn’t much of a milestone because he was using ultra sonic as his main power up and that was the power level he needed to defeat his enemies at that point.
There's quite a few people who can one shot the Omni King, it's really not that surprising. Not to mention, the Omni King needs some time (like a minute in the ToP) to erase stuff, so anyone who can movie fast enough could interrupt them before being erased. And characters like Kirby who can survive erasure are plentiful. The Omni King might seem powerful, but even he's pretty far from the top of the "strong characters" list
This video is full of shit, archie, or any other version of sonic, doesn't get past buu saga full power SSJ3 Goku, he curb stomps anyone from the earlier sagas with no effort tho
My personal headcannon is that Archie Sonic has the power to manipulate the speed of light, in addition to his infinite speed. This would explain how he can seemingly choose when his speed causes time travel and when it doesn't, and how he would move through stopped time (since light still moves in stopped time, otherwise timestop users wouldn't be able to see)
So SEGA has several characters that are casual god killers,and one game character I feel would be hard to scale from SEGA would be the PSO2 protagonist/player character cause they have alotta multiversal scale feats,and their cannon abilities are kinda insane when all put together. Then Game sonic funnily has killed 3+ gods within the cannon of the games. Honestly the most down to earth scaled SEGA characters in the long run might be the yakuza characters who still can summon space lazers via tools they have at their disposal.
Archie Sonic is the bane of vs debates for a reason. Still the Story Book games are actually canon they have been referenced in main line games before (Generations) But as a Fan of both DB and Sonic I'd say this is rather well researched on both sides.
I recall learning things about Archie Silver to something about him defeating some villian that the rest of the cast had been defeated (Including Sonic) but he managed to win. So what I'm saying is that may checks out@@bestaround3323
@@bestaround3323Silvers mentor couldnt even beat archie sonic. None of sonics friends are stronger than him and ultra sonic is the strongest in the comics.
Archie would handle DB, DBZ, DBGT, The Movies and TV Specials, Super, The Games, DB: Heroes, and the Omni King. Likely without being touched. Even Archie's villain's struggle to do anything to him. Archie's kind of stupid. He'd likely just 'Take immortality away' for Garlic's one thing.
He loses to both anime and manga Goku horribly, like Goku will tear him apart. Games, Tv, and Gt Goku do sonic dirty. Heroes is just overkill like it’s not fair at all how bad the db cast will do him. Omni King 1 taps
@@youngfish1370Manga Goku is far into Universal, Anime Goku is Low Multiversal, GT Goku is Low Multiversal, Omni King is higher into Low Multiversal, at best Multiversal if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and Xeno/Super DB Heroes Goku iterations are Multiversal+. For speed they range from MFTL to Immesurable Base Archie Sonic is Universal+, so in terms of stats he only beats manga Goku. But Super Sonic scales above the Chaos Force, which transcends space and time across infinite realities and planes of existence and can affect/destroy other ‘verses’ separate from his own like Mega Man’s verse and cosmology Destroying infinite space-time continuums is already breaching Multi+ with the Xeno/SDBH characters but having a dimensional transcendence over that pushes him to Low Complex Multi at least, and above baseline at that. Speed wise, he’s ridiculously deep into Immesurable and has amps + hax and resistances that dog on DB
@@youngfish1370bro trust me when I say there is quite literally nothing Goku can do to Archie Sonic. He literally has plot armour as a power. Yeah just straight up fate won't allow him to lose and will always change whenever his involved. There's never been an upper limit to his speed. Runs through dimensions on a regular basis in base. Did you miss the part where he was erased from existance and just ate that shit. Bro was like that did zero damage. Goku being multiversal isn't helping him. Even Zeno can't touch him. It's just unfair 😭
12:02 misconception here The Gohan that Broly fights during the 2nd Broly movie is actually a version of Gohan who never stopped training,meaning that yes,Broly might have an small advantage compared to the 1st Movie
You know, the fun thing about galactic scale is, even being billions of times stronger then earth's moon level at 10e29 joules, that only gets us to 10e39 joules, or only 1% of the energy needed to destroy out sun. To get the energy of a super nova which would be solar system level, you need 10e44 Joules. For a galaxy you need 10e51. Of course at a certain point you just make a black hole and the point becomes moot.
Looks like an otaku can’t handle the truth and even if the comics weren’t canon sonic from the games still defeat god level enemies believe it or not he solos the dbs and dbz without even a drop of sweat
@@gamertag5030 Dude, what the actual shit is wrong with you? I was just trying to clarify some misconceptions. I LITERALLY said NOTHING about who can beat who. Did you even pay atention to what I was saying?
But the real question is, could Archie Sonic take on Caramel Man 007? Going off the fact Goku was canonically in Penguin Village at one point, that puts Caramel Man 007 into the lore. He could put a great fight against Archie Sonic. But then again, I suppose all Archie Sonic has to do is nab the controller from Dr. Mashirito and that fight would never happen in the first place.
This isnt even talking about the different forms beyond Super Sonic, or that Sonic's got wish magic too, or the sword of acorns, and a lot of other bullshit hacks the little blue bastard has. They can't even wish his speed away because he can literally just wish it back even if it did get through the literal plot armor. Archie Sonic is just one of those characters that's not even fair to talk about in a vs setting 🤭
Another peice of advice, i recommended that whenever you use a comic book character again, instead of using the comic itself, i just suggest you either use the cartoons/movies/games instead, only because most comics are always getting changed, retcon, ignore rules they've made, cannons things made non cannon and vice versa, i think it will be easier to use anything else but the comics, it will be to much of a headache if you used comics that never stay the same in its own story, at least in cartoons or games, its easier to understand and doesnt need to much research and understanding of all the hidden details.
New to the channel and it was interesting, if you do comic characters and games n what not, I would recommend not using most of the DC or Marvel characters to where it's just flying brick meets a soaring steel beam and it'd get boring, but it would be cool with specific ones that aren't Marvel or DC like the Spawn comics, or the Invincible comics, heck even The Mask
If it was not already noted the Ultimate Annihilator was sabotaged by Snivley so it only hit Robotnik directly, however Sonic with the help of a special emerald was able to realign Knothole to normal space time in the aftermath. Sonic dose have hacks to do that.
This is true, but let’s also remember the Ultimate Annihilator just firing once caused *massive* calamity on a multiversal level. Its waves damaged the barriers between alternate universes, fucked up the flow of time itself, restored the free will of robotic slaves, completely rewrote entire universes and even turned some beings into gods. That means the UA firing likely caused chaotic fuckery on a reality-warping, spiritual, and multiversal level - it literally shook the very structure of the Archie Sonic multiverse. Sonic was at *ground zero* off this thing going off, and despite being hit point-blanc by all this spacetime fuckery, was completely fine (outside of being drained to passing out) thanks to his Billionth Ring Aura. *IN BASE FORM* That would be like if Goku could tank a punch so strong it broke down the barriers between Universes 6/7/etc, turned Puar into an Omega Shenron level reality warper, forced Zamasu’s spirit out of Goku Black AND caused time around Kami’s Lookout to flow ala the time chamber. Even if the UA was specifically set up to basically Hakai the original Dr. Robotnik, Sonic being able to survive all the other effects of it going off is still speaks volumes for his durability/hax-resistance.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy Yeah, even if Sonic wasn’t the explicit target of the UA, he *definitely* got hit by its waves. Given what a chaotic/catastrophic effects those waves had on the multiverse, that’s still a massive durability/hax-resist feat for Archie Sonic.
Game sonic is also weirdly overpowered for a literal dude. Hes not even the chosen one or some stuff. Just a guy Who can go REALY REALY REALY DAMN FAST.
I think characters like Archie Sonic should be left out of any VS conversation since he is one of those characters who is just meant to win, and there aint no fun in that.
Is there even a reason people like him besides being powerful? It makes him boring as a character. He doesnt struggle. Sonic in general is a little too strong, but archie sonic in particular is so strong that there's no stakes
Great video it was very enjoyable but the dbz movies scales a lot higher than cannon dbz, it wasn't a factor in this video but if you use the movies to scale characters in another video then just know that
Yeah thats true for sure but for this video I felt it was fine anyway since imo he beat them all. Just wanted to use them as a change of pace mainly haha
@@ijudgeanimeyou do realize you're putting Sonic against Dragon Ball movie characters right no matter how powerful Archie Sonic is these Dragon Ball movie villains can destroy a fucking planet as a guy who wants Dragon Ball 31 years old man telling you this
Fun fact: Archie cosmology has been stated, in-universe, to contain 20 superior dimensions. And Super Sonic, with a full power Chaos Control, is capable of destroying the entire cosmology. And that's not even factoring in Ultra Sonic.
Archie sonic is insane. There are a select few in the entire multiverse of dragon ball that even touch him. I can think of maybe 3 characters in dragon ball super heroes that can touch him much less beat him.
What is funny is even IF the misconception of Broly always getting stronger was true... it wouldn't help him. Like at all. Broly wouldn't survive long enough for it to grow enough to be a threat to Archie Sonic.
imagine if game sonic had that kind of power. every game ever would be way too easy. hell his playable speed is nerfed to hell just so he's not impossible to control
Archie Sonic is way too OP, you should've used Game Sonic, I think he'd easily reach somewhere around Future Trunks/ToP arc, and that's without mentioning Hyper.
Im honestly surprised that you didn't bring up ultra sonic all that much even with a picture in 7:58 A form that basiclly allows him to just wish anything wants to happen so even if a DB character was giving ultra sonic a run for his money he could just wish them away. and thats not adding in the fact that fate basically revolves around him to the point that mammoth mogul said that the only way to beat sonic was to wait for him to die of old age
technically Archie Sonic is the main continuity as it takes place in prime world, aka center of the multiverse, the games exist somewhere in said multiverse
Lol yeah, video game Sonic doesn't usually move faster than the speed of sound, on rare occasion maybe 5x the speed of sound. But this video is about Sonic from the Archie comics who is stupid fast, immeasurably fast sometimes when at max potential. But even game Sonic can go light speed using a trail of rings, and in game SA2 you mentioned Sonic can freeze time for 10 in game seconds which counters Shadow's chaos control in the 2 player mode. Not to mention when you fight Sonic while playing as Shadow, Sonic can form blue tornados around you in less than a second while in space in the ARK.
I'm not really good at power scaling but if I had to guess, I'd imagine like modern Sonic from the games could probably take on Cell or even Buu but when you get to Dragon Ball Super he'd likely be defeated by most if not all antagonists
@gamertag5030 I'm aware, I'm just saying if anyone wanted to apply this to a canon version of Sonic, that's how I believe he'd stack up but I might also be wrong.
Modern Sonic in Base can beat people that previously required Adventure Era Super Sonic to beat in terms of raw stats, so stat wise he’s closer to the God of Destruction/Infinite Zamasu/Jiren/UI Goku tier in terms of stats, but his speed and hax are insanely above that tier. Super Sonic from the end of the adventure era and the modern era could take out beings like Solaris and Time Eater who can legit destroy the space time continuum across an infinite amount of dimensions/universes including Maginaryworld which is a 4th dimensional realm. Solaris is considered ‘Super Dimensional’ compared to even things like this, so bare minimum 5th Dimensional power The Titans, Giganto, Wyvern, Knight and Supreme can all potentially kill a much stronger/faster/more haxed version of Super Sonic while Solaris and Time Eater can’t do so to weaker versions of Super Sonic, so those 4 scale above Solaris And ‘The End’ in just its avatar form calls the power of all of Sonic’s other opponents finite compared to its infinite and is implied to completely transcend them. So at worst, the End is Infinite 5-D, potentially 6-D in terms of power and Sonic scales to it
@jocoolshow fair points, but do keep in mind for both the time eater and Solaris he had help. Shadow and Silver for Solaris and his classic self for time eater. Also, not every new foe is necessarily stronger than the last. That would imply Dark Gia is stronger then Solaris and I find that hard to believe.
I know you said you aren’t a Sonic fan, and that’s fine, but you’ve got some bad info on Archie Sonic’s scaling. As a big fan of both, who powers scales these series a lot, I’d love have fun chat with you on discord. Think it would be a lot of fun!
How is that septillion light years number even possible when, you know, the universe isn't that big? I mean, it IS expanding faster-than-light and that rate IS accelerating so, perhaps in the far future, the universe could get over a septillion light years across, but wouldn't that be really far in the future?
the sonic comics which came out in 1993 were based on the games which came out in 1991 so for a long time he was cannon till IBW Sonic came and after that he became cannon to the games well that all correct me if i'm wrong.
The Storybook duology are main canon and not connected to the comics at all. Also, both Super Broly and Super Hero is canon to the main DragonBall timeline
You don't even need to look at Archie Sonic feats to know that Sonic wins, in the games (the main canon), Sonic has canonically defeated a being known as Solaris who was erasing time and space just by its mere presence (it was separated into multiple beings in the past hence why this wasn't happening earlier... also I believe it was stated to be sleeping for millennia even before that which supressed its powers). Not only that, I would just like to clarify that Sonic in his super form was not even harmed by Solaris' attacks and since it's been clarified that Sonic and his super form only gets stronger over time (not to mention his newest canon forms being Super Sonic 2 and Cyber Sonic which are just stronger versions of the super form) it's safe to say that Sonic beats everyone in DB pretty easily. Also, before anyone tries to debunk this by saying "Shadow and Silver also needed to help Sonic beat Solaris." Well, Shadow and Silver were only there because they each needed to beat Solaris at a different point in time as it exists on a higher-dimensional plane (Eggman describes it like that) so the only way to stop it from destroying reality is to destroy its physical form across three main points in time: the earliest point in the timeline (Shadow), the latest point in the timeline (Silver) and the middle of the timeline (Sonic)... my point is that Super Sonic on his own was strong enough to overpower the physical form of a higher-dimensional being and could tank that same being's attacks with little difficulty, Shadow and Silver in their super forms are also at least on this level of power if you're looking at the entire canon story. My final point for this argument is that Sonic has more forms than just Super to rely on if we're considering the entire game series. Darkspine Sonic and Excalibur Sonic are two forms that come to mind specifically as overlooked potential; Darkspine Sonic was able to defeat Alf Layla Wa Layla who was a being that had absorbed the power of the stories of the Arabian Nights which are all separate worlds in and of themselves, he then absorbed four of the seven World Rings which were stated to be the very things that held these worlds together and with this power, he became able to manipulate all of these realities simultaneously and use their limitless energy to conjure attacks... yet Sonic, with only having absorbed the remaining three World Rings which should theoretically give him less of a power boost than ALWL, obtained a new form form and beat him... not to mention this form of Sonic can also slow down or speed up time at will and he regains energy just by moving around. Not only that but after ALL of this and reflecting ALWL's attacks with his bare hands, Darkspine Sonic then flicked his wrist and reversed all of the changes that were made to the Arabian Nights instantly. Excalibur Sonic is arguably even more broken than Darkspine though. Whilst on its own, the Excalibur armour and sword only give Sonic power equivalent to or slightly higher than his super form, technically Excalibur Sonic is not a transformation, it's a magical suit of armour and a sword that grant additional power and durability so Sonic should be able to stack one of his other forms on top of this for an insane power boost... and before anyone says that Darkspine and Excalibur should be impossible considering the means to use those powers reside in the storybooks, based on the explanation given as to how Sonic ended up in both of those worlds, it should be completely possible for him to take both Caliburn (the sword that becomes Excalibur and grants Sonic the armour) and at least three of the seven World Rings out of the books with him so if you want to headcanon the most powerful version of game Sonic possible, there you go, Excalibur on any form you can think of. I would also mention Hyper Sonic which is basically just Super Sonic but even more powerful... but considering some statements from the director of the games and the most recent games basically making a new form that gives the exact same buff, it appears that Hyper Sonic was never intended to be canon and it could be argued that forms like Super Sonic 2 and Cyber Sonic are stronger than it anyways soooo... yeah. Sorry for the wall of text but I hope this has helped some people understand just how busted Sonic is no matter what continuity you're looking at!
In the verse of Archie sonic their is an extra dimensional energy field called the chaos force and sonic prime is literally the embodiment of chaos itself ( Dr eggman theorized this ) thus sonic is the chaos force ( can summon chaos energy without negative consequences eventhough he should not be able to from the master emerald)
Don't know who told you the Storybook games are in the same canon as Archie Sonic but... No, not at all. The events of the storybook games were referenced during Generations, which very explicitly a mainline game entry, in case you needed proof. Not like it matters that much, there isn't any story or power conflict i could think of with the Storybook games specifically, but... Just a kinda weird mistake, i don't know why someone would tell you that.
epic video, as other comments have stated, game super sonic would also go pretty well, as game super sonic defeated Solaris and Time Eater, both threatening all existing timelines which is confirmed to be infinite by TailsTube (And Ian Flynn as well I believe), scaling to multiversal+. Game super sonic is also generally scaled to immeasurable speed since he is able to punch and tag Solaris, who has temporal omnipresence, and was stated to fly through the end of time in the sonic generations manual.
dawg some ppl that are important like a director or some shit literally said that Archie sonic would do OK but will struggle to goku,beerus and yes some other z fighters
Comic book characters are bassicaly that annoying kis that says "Euh no" when their character takes damage or "Noo my character is stronger" while anime characters get their ass beat 24/7
Lol
Anime characters get beat up until their power of friendship kicks in😂
@MILDMONSTER1234 Unironically that doesn't happen THAT often during anime
@@Kiorka modern anime yea. Early 00s and some 90s anime on the other hand
*However, Ian Flynn already said Archie Sonic runs a few thousand miles per hour. In terms of consistency, this is hardly a discussion.*
It’s nice for Archie Sonic to get some recognition. He has some crazy shit going for him that people just like to brush off
@@sperglivesmatter2331 Stomps Who? Cause if your saying Archie Soinic gets stomped then thats automatic Cap
@@Blackatar_the_last_BackbenderArchie sonic is written by an author who needs some level of consistency. Scp is written by random internet nerds who are always trying to one up each other. Do the math
@@Leg1503 "I see I see" But can they beat Goku tho
@@sperglivesmatter2331I am that I am stomps scp and your favorite verse
@@sperglivesmatter2331nobody cares about scps bro ☠ your a geek
The immortality bit. There's a character in Archie known as Moguel, a mage in Chaos Magic. His own words have stated
"Twice I have risen to godhood. And twice, I failed simply because you were there."
He later reveals his plans to Sonic. He is immortal, Sonic isn't. His literal plan for world domination is to simply wait till Sonic dies of old age, and THEN take over the world
And then Enerjack smugly walks into the room
@StevenHolt-wr5ow
Like, I wouldn't hit her...
B-but I'd have no problem laying into you!
Apparently Archie Sonic is essentially the Avatar. An agent of Chaos who literally cannot lose and exists to basically check and balance all of the supervillain freaks in Mobius. It's the reason why Eggman used both the Genesis wave and caused Genesis wave incident. Because the only way that he could beat Sonic is if he destroys the universe and goes somewhere else.
"I can always start over. Make another nemesis."
Yeah, unless Archie sonic is going up against characters from super dragon ball heroes no one is even touching much less damaging him. Still a great video though.
As an avid fan of both series, if we’re just going by Game Sonic alone, no one in DBS remotely gets near him, including Zeno or the Grand Priest. People really do not look at the broken-ass feats this little rat does. Especially from titles like 06, Secret Rings, Generations, etc. Which involves him doing shit like
- Negging an omnipresent timeline wiping Sun God,
- While half-dead in a sense and in base form, was able to pummel a Demigod who absorbed 500 dimensions and the astral plane,
- Accelerating so fast, that he starts fixing all of time and space, again in Base,
- Has Time & Space Manip via Chaos Control, Fate & Plot Manipulation going off SATSR, and was above the Narrative in his Darkspin Form when he fought Alf Layla Wa Layla,
- Escaping a dimensionless construct sealed off from every universe just by running, and in said game, beats someone who is stated to be his strongest opponent yet, meaning Current Base Sonic > Any version or form of him from the games prior to Forces.
- And in the most recent Modern Title, Sonic now has 2 additional transformations that exceed his Super Form, said form being canonically incapable of being hurt by people who scale below him.
There’s also a small nitpick when he mentioned a Funimation Dub error for disproving Raditz ftl, when
A: He’s almost 4 times stronger than Piccolo, who with a casual energy blast, reached all the way to and destroyed the moon in mere seconds,
B: Kid Goku when fighting Tenshinhan in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, was able to run to the audience, steal Roshi’s glasses, come back and put them on before the light of Tien’s Taiyoken even reached him. But that’s a debate for a different time. (*Also 2nd Coming Broly bullied an SS2 Gohan who did train. Not really that relevant but he mentions that Gohan didn’t train.*)
Edit. Heck, when he mentioned Sonic Rush, in the same game, he beat the Egg Salamander, who not only went toe to toe with both Super Sonic and Burning Blaze in the final boss, but drained the Sol Emeralds, said Emeralds being unable to co-exist with the Chaos Emeralds and would have destroyed both Sonic and Blaze’s Dimensions, also he mentions Archie Super not having a set multipler, but in the Clash of the Titans issue, Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles are confirmed to become 1000x greater than before.
Tl;Dr: funni blue rat bullied multiverse of steroid abusers and hair-dyers.
Not at all, goku destroying the macrocosm can scale as high as 7d to possibly even outer(depends how you translate certain statements, although this interpretation is definitely more outlandish) with Archie sonic scaling anywhere from 6-7d in super form
@@sergperez5484goku does not scale to outerversal, most say he’s complex multi. most archie powerscales rank him in high outerversal+. even if goku was stronger he isn’t hitting the 3ft rat who is able to move millions of times faster
@@samirbelica2358yeah as much as I love Goku, his ass is getting whooped from Sonic. Only way he can win is if UI is able to dodge literally anything (like Whis), but even then idk
@@Keisezrgshe needed silver and shadow to neg Solaris so close but no cigar
what's sad is as a Sonic fan over here i didn't know all this stuff bout him, did not expect he'd just straight up be able to go through the entire DB franchise like that lmao
Not the whole franchise, but yeah most of it. Because you also have insane characters like Jump Force Goku and God Fusion Goku who are on the level of the author and beyond.
I say that Archie Sonic is relative to Xeno Goku.
Archie Sonic has 1 billion lives, but Xeno Goku has a passive ability where he siphons his opponent's power as their fight goes on. So Xeno Goku would never grow tired, while also growing in power (as he's absorbing Sonic's power.) And Sonic has a billion lives. It's almost a never ending battle.
They have around the same power and speed.
But somethings that Xeno has over Archie are hax. Xeno almost literally has all the hax that a character can have.
That power siphon passive he has is also what gives Xeno the edge in the battles.
Z and Maybe Super yes but definitely not end if GT Goku. Hes quite literally immortal, isnt bound by time, space, or physics and exists in a realm thats outside even the highest dieties making him Outerversal by definition
"Dragon God" Goku is on a level that no other DB entity is even close to
same
You dont know this stuff because Archie Sonic arguments nitpick rare issues of toon force. He won't say hoe a Coconut is enough to KO archie Sonic, or a typical Eggman aircraft isnt easy for Archie Sonic to catch up to. Or that Ian Flynn debunked these claims as in his mind, Sonic wasnt this omniversal being.
These Archie Sonic debate discussions ignore antifeats, writer's statements, and focus on obscure toonforce events
If you read 200 issues of Archie Sonic straight, he won't make it far in Naruto. Its absurd how much nitpicking is done in Archie Sonic vs videos.
There are inconsistencies, but in most cases, Sonic's durability is not very high. Super Sonic is a different story. The writers are unsure how to depict Super Sonic due to the game inconsistencies
Awesome to see people debating Archie Sonic power level and such. Lol this is nostalgic for me. I would love to inform anyone who wants to know a little more about his stats and his lore. I've read every Archie Sonic comic and know a lot about his character and his universe although it has been some time so I may be a little off with my points here.
Now to help clear up some things for anyone curious, :)
1.) Is Archie Sonic canon? Technically yes but it is complicated. Officially, Sega has gone on record to say that all official media created by them is canon. Every Sonic exists in their own individual set of games, comics, shows, movies, and ect. It's like a multiverse.
FUN FACT: In the Archie Sonic canon, Sonic is referred to Sonic Prime, the most Sonic of all the Sonics, and if Archie Sonic was to die then all Sonics throughout the multiverse would die. This implies that Archie Sonic is THE MOST canon of ALL the Sonics. (However, it could be argued that Archie Sonic is no longer the prime sonic since his universe was hit by Eggman's Super Genesis Wave. It erased all of Archie Sonic's and Archie Megaman's realities; however, Super Sonic survived and rewrote them both back into existence with completely new lore. Basically the Archie Sonic canon got rebooted by Super Sonic himself and it is possible he didn't reinstate himself as Sonic Prime of the multiverse since MANY other lore heavy things were completely changed.)
2.) Archie Sonic BASE Stats:
2a.) Speed- As you show in your video, Archie Sonic has gag character speed feats that break all physics, the speed of Light x1,000,000+, breaking the 4th wall, basically infinite speed. However, I will say most of those feats were written early on in the Comic's lifespan when he was indeed more so just a gag character. (Think of it like how Kid Goku was breaking Manga panels early on in the original Dragonball Manga!)
Later on in the Archie story line though, Sonic's speed was nerfed big time by the writers so he could have more of a challenge and the stories would be more unpredictable. Sonic is very heavily implied to be around light speed if not a little slower without any amps once the writers quit giving him infinite speed feats all the time Lol.
2b.) Durability- Also as you show in your video, Archie Sonic has got to be insanely durable to survive that blast that sent him over 800,000+ lightyears away from where the blast hit him. Basically, as long as Sonic has ring energy he can survive any attack. (That's kinda like his Ki I suppose, like in the games Lol) Now, Sonic surviving being erased from existence has very important context. In the canon, after collecting his one billionth power ring Sonic gained an completely invincible spirit. In the comic, Sonic is transformed into a robot yet manages to keep his free will thanks to the power of his one billionth ring. (So fyi this implies Sonic is immune to mind control and possibly even Hit's Time Stop hacks like that, ect. ) Sonic then sacrifices his robot body to save his friends but "dies" in the process. However again thanks to Sonic's one billionth power ring, Sonic is able to just pull himself back into existence from nothingness because his spirit is immortal now. ( If i remember correctly though, I think that was implied to be a one time thing until Sonic collects another billion rings. It was a reference to how in the video games when you collect 100 rings you gain an extra Life Lol) So theoretically, Sonic could collect another billion rings in the Archie comics and gain that extra Life again though. That would make sense.
2c.) Power- I'll keep this short and simple. Archie Sonic's Power Level if he was in the Dragonball universe would be 19,610,150,500,000,000,000 which would put him on the same Tier as the Gods of Destruction according to a friend of mine that knows about power levels more than I do. Lol I think it is funny Archie Sonic ended up being on that level since all the other Gods of Destruction are also like mutant animal creatures.
[Mathematical Proof] Force= Mass * Acceleration. Sonic has the mass of a ~100cm mutant hedgehog and is able to accelerate arguably infinitely and non-arguably about a million of times faster than lightspeed (Lowballing) So, lowballing the raw physical force Archie Sonic could excerpt would be around 784,092,255,112,880,000,000 Newtons. For reference Yamcha tries using the Gravity chamber in the Trunks Saga at 300g and barely pushes back against 199,920 Newtons. ( For Mass I used about 100 pounds for Archie Sonic and for acceleration I used 17,286,273,555,555,555,556m/second^2 which would be Sonic going 148,000 light years within 9 seconds which is the lowball given in your video.) Yamcha's power level in the Trunks Saga is about 50,000 narratively. So, now that we know Yamcha's limit, his power level, and Archie Sonic's lowball limit: Archie Sonic's power level in DBZ would be exactly 19,610,150,500,000,000,000. (784,092,255,112,880,000,000*50,000/199,920= 19,610,150,500,000,000,000 . Wow!
3.)Super Archie Sonic: Just imagine everything Base Sonic can do except but now with the hacks
3a) of being completely invincible. Both his body and his spirit now like with the one Billionth ring I mentioned.
3b) Complete control over Time and Space temporarily. Basically, Reality warping on the atomic and even "spiritual" level. Chaos Control, ect. (Chaos Control means to stop time and teleport anything to anywhere you want.
3c) Flight Lol
In conclusion, Base Archie Sonic would be on the same power level as the Gods of Destruction like Beerus. I think the Angels like Whis would actually be able to take out base Archie Sonic if one could get a lucky hit on him. But you'd have to assume he couldn't just respawn himself into existence. Perhaps the Super Dragonballs could counter the one billionth ring extra lives thing going on.
Meanwhile, Super Archie Sonic would easily be on Zeno level. Zeno would have to be Multiversal+ AND have negations toward Time/Space/Reality manipulation more impressive than Super Sonic's multiversal feats to even stand a chance of winning.
Wtf man
@@DracOVic just having fun wit numbers and useless lore knowledge I have
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Just 2 people? But as i expexted db fanboys never accepted other character who's stronger than their lovely series lmao 😂😂😂
"from what i found from sonic fans online, he just really is that guy" lmao yeah
scaling sonic throughout his video game history similar to separating shounen by arcs makes it a teeny more fair tho. archie sonic is crazy even for sonic standards
How strong is Archie Sonic to comic characters in generals.
@@bestaround3323 from what ive seen archie sonic is literally a counter match up only other broken speedsters like wally west have a chance to beat him but even then its really up for debate since sonic actually has infinite speed in base which has been proven multiple times from games and the comics but to put into perspective how op he is the chaos force which is the power the chaos emeralds can make anything happen should the user want it or wish it hard enough if they are trained and the master of said chaos force the person who figured out how to use that force deadass said the best way to beat sonic is to just wait for that mf to die of old age
@@idkisuckatnames8160It took Eggman a nearly invincible machine to get his W. And even then Sonic could absolutely demolish it once he went mad enough.
@@bestaround3323Generally saying archie sonic should be complex multiversal. Just for example (maybe it got mentioned along the content) eggman, his archnemesis, build a machine called the genesis wave, which is basically beerus' hakai or zeno's erasure, but way more powerful. Plus, he can actively choose how to change the reality. The super genesis wave is the upgraded version of said machine, which the reality affecting capabilities grow from a universal to at least a multiversal magnitude. And Super Sonic wasn't only able to resist such effects, but using his chaos control rewrite reality.
This could be sonic, if he's fighting dragonball characters (or basically some frauds): ruclips.net/video/vK272OlTWKw/видео.htmlsi=R6bSMDn9IJTJ3rcf
@@bestaround3323uni+ and complex multi in super forms
More like "how long would the DBZ verse last against Sonic?"
Accurate lmao
Awesome video. I love the idea of you using the alternative movies for non Canon versions of characters. Would love to see more of them!
Actually, Sega confirmed Archie sonic is Canon, Besides There's multiple sonics out like the movie, Modern, classic, Archie, boom, manga,, so don't say it is Non-Canon
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@@vapor-shadow2815 Oh, nice face reveal
@@vapor-shadow2815 And its true
I don't even read the Archie Comics and I know how busted Sonic is. As for game Sonic, I personally think he gets to Kid Buu maybe a bit higher but that bubble gums a hard roadblock.
Base Game Sonic has scaling that puts him more relative to Gods of Destruction than Kid Buu (Due to ever so often Eggman’s inventions having statements of being his strongest creation yet while weaker ones in older games could merge together or destroy 2 separate universes similar to what Beerus and Champa clashing of what Infinite Zamasu was gonna do
Super Sonic legit scales beyond anything in Super including Zeno and Super Shenron since he beat people like Solaris, Time Eater, the Titans, the End etc
yeah do keep in mind sonic has fought 2 interdimensional time gods capable of destroying the universe in the games, so he’s still up there just not as much as archie, i’d say he caps out somewhere in super
Tbh not even game sonic loses in the db verse he’s got too much hax and speed feats
Game sonic is above the whole verse
It all depends on dimensionality as well. Game sonic caps at 5D. While Goku at the moment in Super is somewhere in 6-7D.
You also have to keep in mind that the DB verse and the Dragon Quest verse are connected. And if we include DQ scaling, Goku's scaling skyrockets.
Archie Sonic is so underappreciated when he's one of the few characters who could beat Kirby in a fight, he needs more recognition
Also, the answer is kinda obvious (he survives everything), but you should do a video on Kirby, it would be fun
Oh, that would be *DOPE*
Archie isn't connected to the games, but it exists as a separate Canon from them.
Archie Sonic could probably will himself canon in all honesty. I mean he did meet Sabrina the teenage witch
Well their in the same multiverse. Both the writer and sega themselves have statement to prove this so sorta canon.
The storybook games are canon to game sonics continuity with Archie sonic having his own version of the story in the comics.
Yeah. I would immediately point to a cutscene from Generations that has Sonic specifically make a comment about Secret Rings.
yeah they have been referenced multiple times in cannon materials
Also the super form works different in the Archie comics, sonic has figured out how to do super sonic with a single ring. And the more rings or chaos emeralds he used the more powerful he can become. He can also use chaos control with only power rings.
Look, I ain't calling you a liar but what issue did this happen, I need to see this
@@arcadiadubs which part?
@@Steelersrg8 Damn, I'd be down for each part, cuuz each of those sounds wild as fuck lmao
He pulled a chaos control with a fake emerald, so not entirely unbelievable.
@@arcadiadubs I would have to look at my old stash of comics I have in a storage unit because I’m not sure where to officially go to get them. But it was pre super genesis wave. I think it was something along the lines of after he achieved a certain amount of rings, he was able to unlock more power out of the rings and after that mile stone he could pull enough power to super sonic. However at that point it wasn’t much of a milestone because he was using ultra sonic as his main power up and that was the power level he needed to defeat his enemies at that point.
Someone told me that Archie Sonic really one shot Onmi King Zeno.
I won't be surprised if he did.
There's quite a few people who can one shot the Omni King, it's really not that surprising. Not to mention, the Omni King needs some time (like a minute in the ToP) to erase stuff, so anyone who can movie fast enough could interrupt them before being erased. And characters like Kirby who can survive erasure are plentiful. The Omni King might seem powerful, but even he's pretty far from the top of the "strong characters" list
This video is full of shit, archie, or any other version of sonic, doesn't get past buu saga full power SSJ3 Goku, he curb stomps anyone from the earlier sagas with no effort tho
My personal headcannon is that Archie Sonic has the power to manipulate the speed of light, in addition to his infinite speed. This would explain how he can seemingly choose when his speed causes time travel and when it doesn't, and how he would move through stopped time (since light still moves in stopped time, otherwise timestop users wouldn't be able to see)
So SEGA has several characters that are casual god killers,and one game character I feel would be hard to scale from SEGA would be the PSO2 protagonist/player character cause they have alotta multiversal scale feats,and their cannon abilities are kinda insane when all put together. Then Game sonic funnily has killed 3+ gods within the cannon of the games. Honestly the most down to earth scaled SEGA characters in the long run might be the yakuza characters who still can summon space lazers via tools they have at their disposal.
Archie Sonic is the bane of vs debates for a reason. Still the Story Book games are actually canon they have been referenced in main line games before (Generations)
But as a Fan of both DB and Sonic I'd say this is rather well researched on both sides.
And yet Archie Sonic still doesn't come close to Archie Silver from what I have seen.
I recall learning things about Archie Silver to something about him defeating some villian that the rest of the cast had been defeated (Including Sonic) but he managed to win.
So what I'm saying is that may checks out@@bestaround3323
@@bestaround3323Silvers mentor couldnt even beat archie sonic. None of sonics friends are stronger than him and ultra sonic is the strongest in the comics.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy Ultra sonic needs to make a comeback man, it doesn't get the attention it deserves.
Archie would handle DB, DBZ, DBGT, The Movies and TV Specials, Super, The Games, DB: Heroes, and the Omni King. Likely without being touched.
Even Archie's villain's struggle to do anything to him. Archie's kind of stupid.
He'd likely just 'Take immortality away' for Garlic's one thing.
He loses to both anime and manga Goku horribly, like Goku will tear him apart. Games, Tv, and Gt Goku do sonic dirty. Heroes is just overkill like it’s not fair at all how bad the db cast will do him. Omni King 1 taps
@@youngfish1370 Why don't you back it up with a source?
@@youngfish1370Manga Goku is far into Universal, Anime Goku is Low Multiversal, GT Goku is Low Multiversal, Omni King is higher into Low Multiversal, at best Multiversal if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and Xeno/Super DB Heroes Goku iterations are Multiversal+. For speed they range from MFTL to Immesurable
Base Archie Sonic is Universal+, so in terms of stats he only beats manga Goku. But Super Sonic scales above the Chaos Force, which transcends space and time across infinite realities and planes of existence and can affect/destroy other ‘verses’ separate from his own like Mega Man’s verse and cosmology
Destroying infinite space-time continuums is already breaching Multi+ with the Xeno/SDBH characters but having a dimensional transcendence over that pushes him to Low Complex Multi at least, and above baseline at that. Speed wise, he’s ridiculously deep into Immesurable and has amps + hax and resistances that dog on DB
@@youngfish1370bro trust me when I say there is quite literally nothing Goku can do to Archie Sonic. He literally has plot armour as a power. Yeah just straight up fate won't allow him to lose and will always change whenever his involved. There's never been an upper limit to his speed. Runs through dimensions on a regular basis in base. Did you miss the part where he was erased from existance and just ate that shit. Bro was like that did zero damage. Goku being multiversal isn't helping him. Even Zeno can't touch him. It's just unfair 😭
Goku also has plot armor
12:02 misconception here
The Gohan that Broly fights during the 2nd Broly movie is actually a version of Gohan who never stopped training,meaning that yes,Broly might have an small advantage compared to the 1st Movie
People say Dragon Ball's power scaling is bullshit but they forget about the comics everything has 🗿
You know, the fun thing about galactic scale is, even being billions of times stronger then earth's moon level at 10e29 joules, that only gets us to 10e39 joules, or only 1% of the energy needed to destroy out sun. To get the energy of a super nova which would be solar system level, you need 10e44 Joules. For a galaxy you need 10e51.
Of course at a certain point you just make a black hole and the point becomes moot.
comic characters should only face other comic characters in power scaling because it just isnt fair at all
Comic book scaling is just bonkers.
The story book games are NOT canon to archie Sonic. And Archie Sonic is NOT canon to the games. I say this as a full-fledged Sonic fanatic.
Sonic exists in a multiverse, therefore everything is canon including Tails Gets Trolled.
Still stronger than Goku
@@sperglivesmatter2331NO WAY
Looks like an otaku can’t handle the truth and even if the comics weren’t canon sonic from the games still defeat god level enemies believe it or not he solos the dbs and dbz without even a drop of sweat
@@gamertag5030 Dude, what the actual shit is wrong with you? I was just trying to clarify some misconceptions. I LITERALLY said NOTHING about who can beat who. Did you even pay atention to what I was saying?
But the real question is, could Archie Sonic take on Caramel Man 007? Going off the fact Goku was canonically in Penguin Village at one point, that puts Caramel Man 007 into the lore. He could put a great fight against Archie Sonic.
But then again, I suppose all Archie Sonic has to do is nab the controller from Dr. Mashirito and that fight would never happen in the first place.
When you line everything up and really look at it, you start to realize that sonic really is just Him
This isnt even talking about the different forms beyond Super Sonic, or that Sonic's got wish magic too, or the sword of acorns, and a lot of other bullshit hacks the little blue bastard has. They can't even wish his speed away because he can literally just wish it back even if it did get through the literal plot armor. Archie Sonic is just one of those characters that's not even fair to talk about in a vs setting 🤭
the storybook games are canon to the main timeline too.
He soloing 💀
Another peice of advice, i recommended that whenever you use a comic book character again, instead of using the comic itself, i just suggest you either use the cartoons/movies/games instead, only because most comics are always getting changed, retcon, ignore rules they've made, cannons things made non cannon and vice versa, i think it will be easier to use anything else but the comics, it will be to much of a headache if you used comics that never stay the same in its own story, at least in cartoons or games, its easier to understand and doesnt need to much research and understanding of all the hidden details.
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Archie comics sonic is completely different from game sonic so it doesn't really work in this case
New to the channel and it was interesting, if you do comic characters and games n what not, I would recommend not using most of the DC or Marvel characters to where it's just flying brick meets a soaring steel beam and it'd get boring, but it would be cool with specific ones that aren't Marvel or DC like the Spawn comics, or the Invincible comics, heck even The Mask
If it was not already noted the Ultimate Annihilator was sabotaged by Snivley so it only hit Robotnik directly, however Sonic with the help of a special emerald was able to realign Knothole to normal space time in the aftermath. Sonic dose have hacks to do that.
This is true, but let’s also remember the Ultimate Annihilator just firing once caused *massive* calamity on a multiversal level.
Its waves damaged the barriers between alternate universes, fucked up the flow of time itself, restored the free will of robotic slaves, completely rewrote entire universes and even turned some beings into gods. That means the UA firing likely caused chaotic fuckery on a reality-warping, spiritual, and multiversal level - it literally shook the very structure of the Archie Sonic multiverse.
Sonic was at *ground zero* off this thing going off, and despite being hit point-blanc by all this spacetime fuckery, was completely fine (outside of being drained to passing out) thanks to his Billionth Ring Aura. *IN BASE FORM*
That would be like if Goku could tank a punch so strong it broke down the barriers between Universes 6/7/etc, turned Puar into an Omega Shenron level reality warper, forced Zamasu’s spirit out of Goku Black AND caused time around Kami’s Lookout to flow ala the time chamber.
Even if the UA was specifically set up to basically Hakai the original Dr. Robotnik, Sonic being able to survive all the other effects of it going off is still speaks volumes for his durability/hax-resistance.
When it affected eggman, it was surrounding him in a bubble and somic was within that bubble. Because he was too close to him.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy Yeah, even if Sonic wasn’t the explicit target of the UA, he *definitely* got hit by its waves. Given what a chaotic/catastrophic effects those waves had on the multiverse, that’s still a massive durability/hax-resist feat for Archie Sonic.
Even Game Sonic would do the exact same as archie here,Bro solos the verse
Game sonic is also weirdly overpowered for a literal dude. Hes not even the chosen one or some stuff. Just a guy Who can go REALY REALY REALY DAMN FAST.
Archie sonic is just one of those examples of the trope Comic book writers can't do math
I think characters like Archie Sonic should be left out of any VS conversation since he is one of those characters who is just meant to win, and there aint no fun in that.
Is there even a reason people like him besides being powerful? It makes him boring as a character. He doesnt struggle. Sonic in general is a little too strong, but archie sonic in particular is so strong that there's no stakes
@@uboa8060Sonic's personality can range wildly in the different canons. So I guess they like Archie Sonic's personality.
@@deantrail6789Fans like Archie Sonic's personality? Strange, I remember being told that he's a jerk in the comic
@uboa8060 funnily game sonic is usually the one dipected to be too strong sonic while archie goes through alot of development.
@@tatsuostatic8567nah thats more the fleetway comics sonic
I've seen a few of your videos now. This one earned my sub. Archie sonic is a beast. Just sayain.
Actually in dragon ball it's stated they moved faster than light but toriyama isn't consistent with his DBZ storyline
You ought to do *Game* Sonic vs Dragon Ball next. That version of him’s underrated af tbh.
im not even gonna watch this vid but dbz is nothing compared to sonic. sonic in base is outer
Sonic in base is way above outer
@@samdavids7381yeah
Fun fact: Archie Sonic LITERALLY stepped into the real world in a comic once + interacts with his authors as well.
Yeah I saw that lmao. He is such a busted little guy
my guy really did this video, thank you.
Even canon Sonic has resistance to space-time erasure
Im glad you let it be known that comic books are broken
Jenamba and the gaint beetle are just standard sonic final bosses from the games
Why you have to call it giant beetle? Lmao
@@jmcdrawer5031 because I forgot how to spell his name lol
@@jmcdrawer5031 I thought he was referring to Hirudegarn.
Great video it was very enjoyable but the dbz movies scales a lot higher than cannon dbz, it wasn't a factor in this video but if you use the movies to scale characters in another video then just know that
Yeah thats true for sure but for this video I felt it was fine anyway since imo he beat them all. Just wanted to use them as a change of pace mainly haha
@@ijudgeanime I agree it wasn't a very big factor in this video and it was a very nice change of pace, really liked the idea
Bruh. Just finished watching the Baki one and then THIS. Had to watch immediately.
Great video like always. I think I already asked once but I wonder how far either Shirou Emiya or Archer would make it.
Yeah he is on my list of like 50+ characters,i promise i will do him eventually!!
@@ijudgeanimeah I see, take your time
@@ijudgeanimeyou do realize you're putting Sonic against Dragon Ball movie characters right no matter how powerful Archie Sonic is these Dragon Ball movie villains can destroy a fucking planet as a guy who wants Dragon Ball 31 years old man telling you this
@@ijudgeanimeany one of these dragon ball movies villains would destroy Sonic in a millisecond like just saying that it's not even close
@@ijudgeanimeany one of these dragon ball movies villains would destroy Sonic in a millisecond like just saying that it's not even close
Why is there so much Sonic 06 footage 😭.
Play sonic project 06... developed by chaos X that completely remastered sonic 06 with no bugs and glitches a clean gameplay not to mention is free
Fun fact: Archie cosmology has been stated, in-universe, to contain 20 superior dimensions.
And Super Sonic, with a full power Chaos Control, is capable of destroying the entire cosmology.
And that's not even factoring in Ultra Sonic.
Archie sonic is insane. There are a select few in the entire multiverse of dragon ball that even touch him. I can think of maybe 3 characters in dragon ball super heroes that can touch him much less beat him.
Archie Sonic soloes, well, the mid to high tiers solo
Do the Archie version of the SonicVerse vs Dragon Ball Heroes
What is funny is even IF the misconception of Broly always getting stronger was true... it wouldn't help him. Like at all. Broly wouldn't survive long enough for it to grow enough to be a threat to Archie Sonic.
imagine if game sonic had that kind of power. every game ever would be way too easy. hell his playable speed is nerfed to hell just so he's not impossible to control
A realistic speed sonic in gane would clear every level in 1 frame hahahaa
To quote Devonte the One, "Archie Sonic is Himmy the Hedgehog."
I’d like to see you tackle this with Game Sonic. :)
Archie Sonic is way too OP, you should've used Game Sonic, I think he'd easily reach somewhere around Future Trunks/ToP arc, and that's without mentioning Hyper.
Im honestly surprised that you didn't bring up ultra sonic all that much even with a picture in 7:58
A form that basiclly allows him to just wish anything wants to happen so even if a DB character was giving ultra sonic a run for his money he could just wish them away.
and thats not adding in the fact that fate basically revolves around him to the point that mammoth mogul said that the only way to beat sonic was to wait for him to die of old age
Yeah I honestly fely he didn't even need it lol. I thought even without it he would sweep 💀
W vid. Im not a sonic fan but still was fun to watch, keep it up.
Megaman.EXE might be even MORE broken. Bro soloed his entire universe.
Let's just throw him at the grand priest at this point ☠️
he stomps
I had no idea sonic was that powerful. I thought he was a meme character
The sanic memes had impacted me so hard lmao
If game sonic can beat ultra instinct, then archie can
Video game sonic is honestly enough
Where would Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo fall into in your tier list?
just in case nobody else confirmed this, games are the main canon, archie is a different canon, you're good chief
technically Archie Sonic is the main continuity as it takes place in prime world, aka center of the multiverse, the games exist somewhere in said multiverse
Archie Sonic scales to DC's Flash, so...
Sonic typical runs at the speed of sound. Listen to the song “City Escape”for “SA2”
Lol yeah, video game Sonic doesn't usually move faster than the speed of sound, on rare occasion maybe 5x the speed of sound. But this video is about Sonic from the Archie comics who is stupid fast, immeasurably fast sometimes when at max potential.
But even game Sonic can go light speed using a trail of rings, and in game SA2 you mentioned Sonic can freeze time for 10 in game seconds which counters Shadow's chaos control in the 2 player mode. Not to mention when you fight Sonic while playing as Shadow, Sonic can form blue tornados around you in less than a second while in space in the ARK.
Sonic casually runs at sound speed. Hes gone FTL, and immeasurable speed tons of times. Too many for me to count.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy speed of sound is just a level he can beat naturally normally…
@@K9jp8406kane Read the rest of what i said.
knew i had to watch is as soon as i saw the title on my home page cuz damn, good question
I'm not really good at power scaling but if I had to guess, I'd imagine like modern Sonic from the games could probably take on Cell or even Buu but when you get to Dragon Ball Super he'd likely be defeated by most if not all antagonists
Yeah but he is talking about sonic from the comics
@gamertag5030 I'm aware, I'm just saying if anyone wanted to apply this to a canon version of Sonic, that's how I believe he'd stack up but I might also be wrong.
Nope, while base Game Sonic is Uni+, he pretty much has hax that can let him fight the entirety of DBS
Modern Sonic in Base can beat people that previously required Adventure Era Super Sonic to beat in terms of raw stats, so stat wise he’s closer to the God of Destruction/Infinite Zamasu/Jiren/UI Goku tier in terms of stats, but his speed and hax are insanely above that tier.
Super Sonic from the end of the adventure era and the modern era could take out beings like Solaris and Time Eater who can legit destroy the space time continuum across an infinite amount of dimensions/universes including Maginaryworld which is a 4th dimensional realm. Solaris is considered ‘Super Dimensional’ compared to even things like this, so bare minimum 5th Dimensional power
The Titans, Giganto, Wyvern, Knight and Supreme can all potentially kill a much stronger/faster/more haxed version of Super Sonic while Solaris and Time Eater can’t do so to weaker versions of Super Sonic, so those 4 scale above Solaris
And ‘The End’ in just its avatar form calls the power of all of Sonic’s other opponents finite compared to its infinite and is implied to completely transcend them. So at worst, the End is Infinite 5-D, potentially 6-D in terms of power and Sonic scales to it
@jocoolshow fair points, but do keep in mind for both the time eater and Solaris he had help. Shadow and Silver for Solaris and his classic self for time eater. Also, not every new foe is necessarily stronger than the last. That would imply Dark Gia is stronger then Solaris and I find that hard to believe.
I know you said you aren’t a Sonic fan, and that’s fine, but you’ve got some bad info on Archie Sonic’s scaling. As a big fan of both, who powers scales these series a lot, I’d love have fun chat with you on discord. Think it would be a lot of fun!
Raditz is definitely faster than light. Kid Goku was moving at the speed of light in OG Dragon Ball.
Blame Ken Penders for the weirdness in Archie Sonic. I also somewhat blame him for creating people like chris-chan tbh
Sonichu ez clears dragon ball though 😤
@@ijudgeanime low difficulty 😤😤😤
Zeno: I'm gonna erase you!
Archie Sonic: No, you aren't.
Zeno: *Wait...why the fuck can't I erase him*
archie sonic is so insane for real bro
I had to cover my eyes for that non-canon moment.
no complaints here I love Sonic and I'm glad to see someone else sees just how powerful he is
Archie is overkill, Game Sonic is enough
Game Sonic can beat all of Dragon Ball, at least up until the SuperHero Manga Arc
I wanna see some fighting games characters now (M. Bison, Akuma, Shao Khan, Heihachi, Geese, etc.)
+Mega Man X
How is that septillion light years number even possible when, you know, the universe isn't that big? I mean, it IS expanding faster-than-light and that rate IS accelerating so, perhaps in the far future, the universe could get over a septillion light years across, but wouldn't that be really far in the future?
It's a different universe, not our universe
Because fiction
@@GLMZIGM Mobius, Archie Sonic's world is actually our world thousands of years into the future.
@@SuperboyLilly Yes but no, it is a version of Earth thousands of years in the future but it isn't our universe
For those that don't know Archie sonic is a completely different character from the game universe sonic even the storybook games
Fun fact: Sonic’s real name is Ogilvie Maurice Hedgehog
Dude, there is no "Toei dub" of Dragon Ball Z unless you're talking about the original Japanese dub. What you're thinking of is the Funimation dub
Had to get the movies involved cause we know Sonic would literally run through the anime😂
YYYYOOOOOO!!!!! Sonic Rush was dope! Great way to remember Sonic dude.
the sonic comics which came out in 1993 were based on the games which came out in 1991 so for a long time he was cannon till IBW Sonic came and after that he became cannon to the games well that all correct me if i'm wrong.
I watched one video about Archie sonic and was blown away. Man’s is a menace and he really like that
The Storybook duology are main canon and not connected to the comics at all.
Also, both Super Broly and Super Hero is canon to the main DragonBall timeline
THANK YOU SO MUCH! but Archie Sonic Negs the Verse
And yet apparently the Flash kicks his ass. Thanks death battle
You don't even need to look at Archie Sonic feats to know that Sonic wins, in the games (the main canon), Sonic has canonically defeated a being known as Solaris who was erasing time and space just by its mere presence (it was separated into multiple beings in the past hence why this wasn't happening earlier... also I believe it was stated to be sleeping for millennia even before that which supressed its powers).
Not only that, I would just like to clarify that Sonic in his super form was not even harmed by Solaris' attacks and since it's been clarified that Sonic and his super form only gets stronger over time (not to mention his newest canon forms being Super Sonic 2 and Cyber Sonic which are just stronger versions of the super form) it's safe to say that Sonic beats everyone in DB pretty easily.
Also, before anyone tries to debunk this by saying "Shadow and Silver also needed to help Sonic beat Solaris." Well, Shadow and Silver were only there because they each needed to beat Solaris at a different point in time as it exists on a higher-dimensional plane (Eggman describes it like that) so the only way to stop it from destroying reality is to destroy its physical form across three main points in time: the earliest point in the timeline (Shadow), the latest point in the timeline (Silver) and the middle of the timeline (Sonic)... my point is that Super Sonic on his own was strong enough to overpower the physical form of a higher-dimensional being and could tank that same being's attacks with little difficulty, Shadow and Silver in their super forms are also at least on this level of power if you're looking at the entire canon story.
My final point for this argument is that Sonic has more forms than just Super to rely on if we're considering the entire game series. Darkspine Sonic and Excalibur Sonic are two forms that come to mind specifically as overlooked potential; Darkspine Sonic was able to defeat Alf Layla Wa Layla who was a being that had absorbed the power of the stories of the Arabian Nights which are all separate worlds in and of themselves, he then absorbed four of the seven World Rings which were stated to be the very things that held these worlds together and with this power, he became able to manipulate all of these realities simultaneously and use their limitless energy to conjure attacks... yet Sonic, with only having absorbed the remaining three World Rings which should theoretically give him less of a power boost than ALWL, obtained a new form form and beat him... not to mention this form of Sonic can also slow down or speed up time at will and he regains energy just by moving around. Not only that but after ALL of this and reflecting ALWL's attacks with his bare hands, Darkspine Sonic then flicked his wrist and reversed all of the changes that were made to the Arabian Nights instantly.
Excalibur Sonic is arguably even more broken than Darkspine though. Whilst on its own, the Excalibur armour and sword only give Sonic power equivalent to or slightly higher than his super form, technically Excalibur Sonic is not a transformation, it's a magical suit of armour and a sword that grant additional power and durability so Sonic should be able to stack one of his other forms on top of this for an insane power boost... and before anyone says that Darkspine and Excalibur should be impossible considering the means to use those powers reside in the storybooks, based on the explanation given as to how Sonic ended up in both of those worlds, it should be completely possible for him to take both Caliburn (the sword that becomes Excalibur and grants Sonic the armour) and at least three of the seven World Rings out of the books with him so if you want to headcanon the most powerful version of game Sonic possible, there you go, Excalibur on any form you can think of.
I would also mention Hyper Sonic which is basically just Super Sonic but even more powerful... but considering some statements from the director of the games and the most recent games basically making a new form that gives the exact same buff, it appears that Hyper Sonic was never intended to be canon and it could be argued that forms like Super Sonic 2 and Cyber Sonic are stronger than it anyways soooo... yeah.
Sorry for the wall of text but I hope this has helped some people understand just how busted Sonic is no matter what continuity you're looking at!
In the verse of Archie sonic their is an extra dimensional energy field called the chaos force and sonic prime is literally the embodiment of chaos itself ( Dr eggman theorized this ) thus sonic is the chaos force ( can summon chaos energy without negative consequences eventhough he should not be able to from the master emerald)
“Everything is canon”
Don't know who told you the Storybook games are in the same canon as Archie Sonic but... No, not at all. The events of the storybook games were referenced during Generations, which very explicitly a mainline game entry, in case you needed proof. Not like it matters that much, there isn't any story or power conflict i could think of with the Storybook games specifically, but... Just a kinda weird mistake, i don't know why someone would tell you that.
Beerus also has plot armor so the point is moot xD.
epic video, as other comments have stated, game super sonic would also go pretty well, as game super sonic defeated Solaris and Time Eater, both threatening all existing timelines which is confirmed to be infinite by TailsTube (And Ian Flynn as well I believe), scaling to multiversal+. Game super sonic is also generally scaled to immeasurable speed since he is able to punch and tag Solaris, who has temporal omnipresence, and was stated to fly through the end of time in the sonic generations manual.
By the way I’m pretty sure the blue rat can grant wishes too
lifelong sonic fan here, can confirm archie sonic is not canon.
So
How far would Kirby get?
dawg some ppl that are important like a director or some shit literally said that Archie sonic would do OK but will struggle to goku,beerus and yes some other z fighters
Can you do Ben 10 next