Definitely, because it would be more violent than that, like Cruise's "We are the Gold Standard" speech during covid filming. Or Christian Bale's "OOOHHHH GOOOOD FOR YOOOUUUU" moment 😂😂
Don’t worry. Patty will now make a feminist Star Wars movie with female fighter pilots staring JLaw, JLo and Beyoncé. Just what the vastly male Star Wars audience wants. And they can ridicule ObiWan in it too and kill him off. And Chewbacca. And r2 d2.
It's a shame that everyone is s**ting on the carpet over this. She did still direct WW1 after all - it's not like Ridley Scott hasn't stuck his nose into the writing department and produced some s**t movies before despite his great catalog of films where others had locked up the script before he came on board. So it might be worth giving her a break. Some people just aren't cut out for screenwriting - it's not like Clint Eastwood wrote most of his scripts, no matter how many good films he directed.
Patty Jenkins is stupid .She is in a veryprized and coveted position directing big budget Hollywood movies.Its what every director in Hollywood is after for the most part.Ron Howard hasn't written any movies that I know of.He got his chance to direct Backdraft years ago and he just kept directing keeping his mouth shut and doing what the studio wants him to do directorially and he has had a great career and made alot of money. Having said that it's ridiculous that PJ is throwing a tantrum because they don't want her to write WW3. She has hardly directed any movies. If she was smart she would be content directing big budget Hollywood movies and keep her mouth shut and do what the studio wants and later in her career when she has directed more movies and proven herself to be a very capable director she will have more Hollywood clout to possibly write something she also directs.
I am with Mauler and the rest of EFAP on this. FNT and the drinker simping for this woman because she got a beautiful face attached to her head is UTTERLY pathetic! She gets out shown physique wise by multiple women in her on movie because she can't be assed to attain the necessary build aka visible muscle and her acting is garbage ("NOOOOOO KAL!"). I am sorry but if you are the main character than you need to be able to actually act!
tbf she didn't win Miss Israel for nothin. That being said for all the people that wanna bang her I prefer another Israeli actress, Ayalet Zuhrer who played Kal El's mother in Man of Steel. That be some fine woman right there, and definitely more acting range than Gal Gadot.
Drinker's observations about Gal Gadot's acting range is spot-on. In "Death on the Nile," she plays a woman who steals a man away from her best friend (her only friend, because she never cared that Gal's character was wealthy). In the book, she's supposed to be hard-nosed about it to her friend. Gal acts like a caring friend who just happens to take the man away from her, but hopes they can still be friends. It felt like she didn't want to damage her "nice girl" image playing an amoral manstealer.
"It felt like she didn't want to damage her "nice girl" image playing an amoral manstealer" This may have been Kenneth Branagh or Michael Green's choice - at the end of the day the actor is there to do what the director tells them, it's up to those people to allow ad lib or not.
Remember, it's the social media age. Everybody wants, desperately, to BE their own brand. Everything they touch HAS TO be branded and tailored to them specifically, to scream their name and brand for all to see. They must have total control, and publicity, over everything they are associated with otherwise it's like admitting other people exist independent of "me".
Well said! Just like in sports,where every stinkin ball player in his second year in college needs a brand,and views himself as the future franchise player. The entitlement directors and actors have theses days is so pathetic. I would like to fire 90% of the morons in the business right now,cause they know nothing and are mostly talentfree hacks.
There's a difference between arrogance and full blown narcissism. This is just a side effect of the beginning of the internet age. Once we've all seen it and know it, no one will be special just because they 'want to be'. It will need to be earned as it was in the past. Now it's just a bunch of noise I ignore.
Zack Snyder had a huge hand in the first wonder woman movie. It was his stunt team and both her and Zack faught for the no man's land scene. It wasn't her. He also Co wrote the script with another writer who was basically a WW expert.
Agreed and I am surprised those 4 didnt know anyone of this, Zack Snyder , his stunt crew , VFX team and Alan Heinberg worked on the first WW, Patty got rid of all of them for 1984. Its not hard to find out...... zack Snyder was no where near as bad as people make out.
@@bc2649 Was surprised they didnt mention Snyder in the 'directors that should not write' discussion. Everything he directs looks awesome. Everything he writes is stupid
For Waititi, it wasn't so much that he was "given" writing duty, but that he "took" the writing in his own direction based on whims of what he wanted to shoot at any given point.
The writer's strike ruined the entire entertainment industry by forcing an industry to cope with how to make a movie/TV show/game without having to pay talented writers their worth.
Agreed. But hollywood adopting wokeness has led to these studios hiring idiots who have no idea how to tell a story or develop a character. All these people care about is checking boxes for their ideology and projecting their world view into the movie/tv show/video game.
Not necessarily the strike itself, just corporate America weaseling its way out of any situation they can. “Oh the writers are overworked and underpaid? Well let’s just not hire them anymore and pay a director to do both jobs for the same amount of money! I am so smart, S-M-R-T… I mean S-M-A-R-T!”
It's my opinion that the first WW movie was ghost directed by Snyder, and once his influence was not present in 1984, we got what we got from Patty. WW went from a badass, to a cartoon version of herself.
He may have had a part in making it but if he did the whole thing that movie would have sucked a big old donkey shit. Jenkins has made good movies outside of wonder woman 1984 so I wouldn't think she couldn't at least direct well but her writing is lacking.
The Little Platoon’s comment about director’s egos pushing them into trying to become the SOLE MASTERMIND OF ALL THINGS is so true and spot-on! We can also add “executive producer” to the official list of duties and rest assured that the credited cinematographer and chief editor could not have worked in peace and had their crafts deeply meddled with. The result? Well, all I can think of is a certain still too recent “written and directed by Ryan Johnson” movie…
@@FichtenFin Yep, but not everybody is Oliver Stone, no matter how much they would like to think they can be (or are). Hell, Oliver Stone hasn't been able to be THAT Oliver Stone for many years now. Only goes to show how rare "all-encompassing" cinematic talent really is and even when that talent manifests in many aspects, no one is as good in all of them - at the very least, not at the same time.
He wrote and directed knives out and looper. The problem is studios miscasting people. Like putting Tarantino in a rom com. Or Alfred Hitchcock In a slapstick comedy. Not everybody is made for everything.
Cleopatra would have been a nightmare, too many weirdos assume she was black and casting the gorgeous Gal Gadot with her tanned skin was too “problematic”
People just don't like or pay attention to history. The Romans and Egyptians both had detailed information about her looks, height, etc. Yet some want to oddly blackwash a real-life figure due to some sculptures depicting her with features some morons attribute is only from black-skinned people... People are dumb and especially when introducing anything about "race" into conversations.
Not weirdos so much as people ignorant of the last few centuries of dynastic Egypt whose ruling class was dominated by Greek occupiers who moved in after Alexander the Great invaded. Prior to that event they might have had a point. So ironically she is just as well suited to play Diana as she is Cleopatra 😂
WGA writer here. Many directors, alter scripts before shooting, usually for two reasons, the first being that the script might be terrible and the second being that they have a vision or style that they want (Michael Bay adding a bunch of action scenes to a movie or Taika Waititi adding a bunch of juvenile humor). The problem is that just adding a little flavor doesn’t mean that you know how to structure and write a complete script from the ground up. Unfortunately, directors, think they know how to do this if their “polish”’is well received. Basically thinking that if you added whip cream to a pie, and everyone loves the pie, that you are actually great at making a pie. PS. Also adding your name as a writer allows you to enter the WGA and gives you another way to be paid. (Beyoncé never wrote a song, but you were required to give her co-writing credit to have a song in her album so she could have half your money)
Thanks for posting. I am sure I could have googled it, but over the last few years, I have wondered why some directors or producers get credited or blamed for the outcome of a movie. Like, people would not stop j3rking off to Cari Fukinawa (sic), after he directed some episodes of True Detective s1. I mean, the cast was insane, the setting was spooky and Nic Pizzolato wrote a great story with incredibly well-developed characters. So, credit where it is due for Cari being a director, but for some reason, I feel like that show was gonna be fire, regardless of the director. I think people were underwhelmed with s2 of True Detective and found some common denominator to explain it. But tbh, I love s2 of the show but thats a tldr for another day. But your comment just made me understand the process better. I'd be curious to know if it is mostly these new directors that are transforming decent scripts into blatant endorsements of twitter activism, or if they are trying to tweak garbage scripts that have been written by militant activists. I'm assuming that if ur commenting on this channel, you likely don't subscribe to this new ideology of, "a little too p*$$y ass?"... credit to Christopher Maltisanti for that term.
The Mary Sue Rey character in The Force Awakens was a perfect window into this kind of mindset: "I can do anything better than anyone else, immediately, even without having worked hard at it or learned the craft. Why? Just 'cuz." Rey is how they all think of themselves -- be it Jenkins or Kennedy or Elizabeth Holmes or any of them. Any and all criticism of them is "sexism" or "the patriarchy"; not a shred of awareness that it may be justified.
To be fair , the character of Rey turned out to be the daughter of a very powerful Sith Lord , Darth Sidious ( Palpatine) , so her force ability would be strong , they should have made her character go over to the dark side , that would have made things more interesting , but instead they chose to play it safe , JAR JAR ABRAM'S really damaged star wars ..so did Kk.
@@jetuber yes ! Exactly ! ...she is the grandaughter of a Sith Lord ..she should have totally gone over to the dark side ..it would have given Daisy Ridley a chance to show some acting range , because as Rey she was just Playing herself .
@@bigpun7916 Many of us have said, Rey should have joined Snoke and Kylo was discarded after delivering her. He has a breakdown realizing he killed his father for nothing and starts his redemption arc back from the dark side. This is how you get that Empire Strikes Back gut punch in modern SW.
My favorite part was when Jennifer Lawrence does the superhero landing in front of Zod, removes her helmet, and says, “I am no maaan” and the proceeds to stab the Witch King in the face.
*AND EVERYONE CLAPPED!* (Unironically. Everyone onscreen, no matter what side they were on, stopped whatever they were doing to watch and broke out into spontaneous, heartfelt applause as the Witch King hit the dirt. Everyone parted and bowed to her as she left, and she casually grabbed an offered Oscar on the way out, which she promptly jammed between her legs.)
Many directors want to be the next Spielberg or Lucas. Even though both those directors' best films had co-writers, not always the main writer, and had amazing editors/post-film editing. We see how badly both those legendary directors do if only have yes men/nobody of competence to challenge or iron out the script or flow of scenes.
Point of fact Spielberg hardly ever wrote scripts - of all of the most well known films he has directed only Close Encounters and Artificial Intelligence were written by him. He wrote the story treatment on a few films he produced, but only co wrote the script for Poltergeist with 2 others. The one Original Trilogy Star Wars film that Lucas wrote (ANH) the script for was apparently garbage until it was saved in the cutting room. Wouldn't you know it, George married that film editor - what a coincidence!
Those 2 were some of the first to buck the established studio systems (Lucas more-so) and when we see how well their early movies did it opened the door for some real creative choices. Choices made by those well schooled in the film industry's do's and don'ts of film making. Those do's and don'ts are what is missing from many of today's 'professionals'. There is plenty of creativity, but no restraint or attempt to conform to what has worked for many years. Plus that dirty word - Nepotism.
John Carpenter wrote and directed almost all his movies. And he wrote the tunes. What a legend. I think the problem is the massive writer rooms and not the director being part of the writing. I think having a singular creative vision is better than trying to fit together 12.
I think both can work, but neither inherently works. There are SO many writers who really need other people to look over their work, brainstorm ideas, and work out problems. But just as there are writers who are ALMOST good enough on their own, there are also many writers who are terrible at compromise or letting go enough to give over vision to someone else, so any kind of committee with them is only going to produce worse material.
They aren' saying writer/directors are inherently bad. The way I took it was that there are too many directors who want to be writer/directors but dont have the talent to do it, and they soldier on anyway because of an ego. Of course writer/directors can be amazing, Carpenter, Tarantino and Darabont are all good examples. But there is a lack of humility in modern directors who want to have all the glory for themselves, when in fact they could direct amazing films if they just allowed other talented people to fill the other production roles. The first WW film was ok because Patty Jenkins had help. Success got to her head and then she tries to pull quintuple duty without the crew from the first film and fails.
I think that any good actor who fits the part of Superman would probably hesitate to take on the role after the way that WB has behaved towards Cavill. They'll all think, "Are you going to treat me as 'well' as you treated the last guy?" They'd need a nobody.
Hold the writers and directors down and make them watch Sergio Leone westerns and Kurosawa samurai films until they scream and beg like Alex from _Clockwork Orange_ . "Now, you begin to understand."
Because the battlegroup of producers took over directing. There used to be ONE producer on a film in the past - now they outnumber every other profession making a film except extras.
I'm willing to bet that with Disney Marvel, the "writers" give a skeleton story and certain beats they want to hit, and the directors have to fill in as they go.
The skeleton stories though are often the comic storylines just jumbled up so that they can dodge copyright royalties to the original writers. Unufortunately so jumbled that the OG comic plot is shredded into droollng piss. Exhibit A: The Eternals - plenty of the same beats for a good Eternals comic story are there (also containing the golden/dreaming celestial Tiamut and Sprite wanting to become an adult), but all of the emotional impact is gone because they took all of those plot elements out of context and destroyed the narrative. It's almost exactly the same strategy as Disney are doing with the live action versions of their classic animated films.
Didn't Snyder help out with WW? I remember him talking about it and was even on set to be in the ww1 picture in the background dressed as a soldier. I thought that's why they had the no man lands scene. It seemed like something Snyder would do and then patty did ww84 on her own and the rest is apparently history.
Don't forget that "I miss Chris Pine" was also her whole character in justice league. Meaning the character most held up these days as a strong female lead and role model spent literally 3 movies and a hundred years basically pining over one guys she knew for about a week. So yeah. Just... great writing.
Sounds realistic to me - I still have psycho exes that talk to my family and show up in places they have no right to be - 10-15 years after the relationship.
10:15 ... you should read the Rogue and Wraith Squadron books from the 1990s. They, along with the Zahn books, were some of the best SW books written. After woke Star Wars failed, they are finally reprinting the X-Wing series in an effort to keep the brand alive. 👍👍
A competent director taking on that trilogy is my dream. I know the original cast couldn't do it, but a man can dream that people with a passion for the work could bring it to life.
2:54 while I agree, I think it can be done. Quentin Tarantino for instance is writer/director and has made some of the best films I’ve seen. I just don’t think directors of today are quite up to snuff or are entitled and deluded into thinking they are. It’s the industry that continues hiring these hacks because that’s the what community is flooded with now. Pandering and participation trophies seeking to cash in on trendy new social norms. It’s all flash no substance.
Taika Waititi was also a writer/director for his other films, including What We Do In The Shadows, Hunt For The Wilderpeople and Jojo Rabbit. All great films.
"I just don’t think directors of today are quite up to snuff" That's not it. PJ did the script for Monster, the film that put her on the map, but one critically successful film does not a great writer make, especially if you are looking for comic book/adventure style schlock which is a long way from waht Monster was about. IMHO post WW1 Patty suffered the same problem Lucas did after the success of the Star Wars Original Trilogy - thinking that success due to many other factors was largely down to her direction, and not submitting to criticism (or the studio not even trying because metoo) in order to realise when her work falls short of requirements to entertain.
@@alexwitherden5326 I haven't seen Jojo, I agree with you on What We Do In The Shadows - but I'm gonna have to do a hard disagree on Wilderpeople. Overall it just didn't hit for me despite liking elements for me - and it once more did something that makes me really despise Waititi's work. He mocks death and grieving - he does it at the funeral in Wilderpeople as the priest, and he did it in Thor Ragnarok as the Asgardians were mourning the loss of their home. It's not funny, not even remotely - sometimes there has to be an adult in the room, and it's clear that Disney/Marvel were fine with giving him a free reign anyways. IMHO Waititi disappeared up his own ass since Disney gave him the time of day.
And that only worked at the beginning of his career. His early films were masterpieces, right up to and including Thing and Prince of Darkness. They Live was the midpoint, good with some regrettable elements. Then they became awful and have been awful ever since.
@jetuber I still enjoy Vampires, but Prince Of Darkness forward, he no longer did Studio films, went back to indie. So we got a Prince Of Darkness audience member, rare. I LOVE that movie, so underrated and honestly creeps me out.
@@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto Free of the unfunny "comedy bits" that killed his later films. Part of the reason why the earlier movies worked so well is that they were deadpan serious, with just a few very rare moments of black humour. But they played it completely straight.
I've been a fan of his King Kong since release but just got around to the director's cut/extended edition. The man know excess and gives the editors plenty to work with. I could go for a Jackson Star Wars movie.
All I can tell you is that I LOVED the first Wonder Woman, I know it had it's issues but I still have a blast when I rewatch it. No Man's Land scene still iconic. I was REALLY excited for WW1984. And then I saw it. And was like ah well…that's the end of that franchise 🤣
Considering that Snyder was behind the original Wonder Woman, and he had a similar 'No man's Land' scene in Sucker Punch, I call BS that it was Jenkins' idea no matter what she claimed.
The hilarious thing about Temeura Morrison having a better handle on the character of Boba Fett than the writers, is that until the Disney Plus shows came out, *he had never played Boba Fett* in a movie! He played Jango Fett and the clones in AotC & RotS but Jeremy Bulloch (I believe) played him in tESB & RotJ. All Morrison did was redub Bulloch's lines for the updated versions of the films.
Let’s be honest, if they make a Top Gun 3 and all the movie is is Ryan Johnson getting told to get off Tom Cruise’s set….I would totally watch that movie several times.
I'm just curious who DEMANDED they bring back Steve Trevor for the sequel, rather than just finding a new actor/love interest? Was it the studio who insisted they find a way to get Steve to appear somehow, or was it Jenkins who thought it was a good idea to just use some weird plot device to reunite the same 'power couple' from the first film?
Chris Pine is a good actor and he certainly helped to bring a lot to both films, especially the first one, but outside of something like a cameo or voiceover (and even those would have to be written carefully) I don't see how you could bring him back in a way that makes sense and doesn't totally retcon WW84 where it was already a stretch to have him back. It definitely sounds like a lack of confidence in the writing and screenplay that they can't come up with a good script without Steve Trevor.
As a person in the "biz", the directors being pushed as writers starts with the agents trying to squeeze every drop of money out of deal by getting their clients overpaid by multiple line items.
Well, where are the talented professional writers out there? Why doesn't Hollywood employ English language/creative writing graduates with good degrees then?
The general writing quality from the Hollywood studios never really recovered from the string of Writers Guild strikes in the 1980s and 2007-2008. Producers put out product without their input and still made money. From those moderate successes (which were due more to audience goodwill than quality) they decided that writers were a luxury, not a necessity. Add to that equation the dearth of good writers willing to put up with studio demands on content and social credit score agenda and...here we are. The intellectual entertainment desert.
i have a feeling the No Man’s Land scene was forced in by the studio and she didn’t want it and is only taking credit for it now because it’s everyone’s favorite scene
It was halfway through Battlestar Galactica when the writer strike took place, the producers believed they could carry on a show without them - the fans stuck around for a year, they took that to mean it worked.
Patty Jenkins is a lesson... Sometimes it can be frustrating to watch the horrible people about you seemingly get on where you haven't in spite of your diligence and decency. But when you struggle to remember you're a good person by your own choosing rather than for selfish gain, be reminded: These horrible people lead miserable and unfulfilled lives, everyone knows them for what they are (as they do you), and they all inevitably self destruct.
The first Wonder Woman obviously had way more Zac Snyder than they admit. The first ones action scenes were very very Snyder and WW84 was totally different
Mauler last comment hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned: actors don't even know the movie they're playing in for several reasons: 1. They don't get full scripts anymore, like in old times, because the studios fear leaks. 2. The studios fear leaks because they know the movies they make are either going to be controversial with the fans or just plain s***. 3. Scenes are shot in totally random sequences, leaving the actors to see the full movie either at the premiere or the pre-showing. 4. Point 3 is because the studios fear more influential actors might protest or even leave the set in disgust.
I did have that feeling with Luke and Rey. I thought he was going to be the crochety mentor who makes Rey face herself & grow. A bit like Yoda. It would not have surprised me if Mark Hamill had said scenes like that had been filmed then discarded. Alas, we got Green milk drinker sh*tty Luke instead of a smart mentor Luke.
"I'm Rian 'Ruination' Johnson. I like to feed social media with clickbait and rumours of a Star Wars trilogy I'm supposed to be directing (laughs)😂. Well that's news to me."
I am so glad they took her off the Rogue Squadron film. If they are gonna do it, it should be by the same team that did Rogue One and Andor, and they should adapt the Legends Rogue Squadron books. But they aren't, they are gonna screw it up. Andor was a bright shining example that they can get it right, that somehow slipped through, but since it came after 2 major turds, the well was poisoned and nobody showed up. They will take the exact wrong thing from it, and decide that what they really need to do is squeeze out some more sh*t.
Patty Jenkins Productions presents a Patty Jenkins Film Starring Patty Jenkins. Music Composed and Conducted by Patty Jenkins. Screenplay by Patty Jenkins Based on The Book “The Patty Jenkins Story” by Patty Jenkins. Produced and Directed by Patty Jenkins.
Patty Jenkins is the type who quits Twitter, leaves a 34 tweet thread about leaving Twitter, then logs in after 2 days because Twitter needs her strong female opinion.
She got a trophy for a movie which included the work of 'how many others' and it went straight to her head. There's a reason we didn't hear anything from her after that till someone brought her onboard for WW. Now we can't get rid of her again.
Dude, Taika wrote and directed JoJo Rabbit and won an Oscar for best adapted screenplay. He did drop the ball with love and thunder but Marvel had proof before be wrote and shot love and thunder so..
The heart of what makes the Wonder Woman movies work is the chemistry between Chris Pine and Gal Gadot. They're great together. They could do a cooking show and I would watch it. They should have kept him on at the end of WW84, and just written the creepy body swap out of it entirely. He comes back because magic, and he stays around at the end of the movie because the universe owed Wonder Woman one. Done.
Wrong, ww84 never should have happened, if anything do a green lantern movie and get Steve before he blows up... Been gone for years and comes back in ww3
1st WW had a story by Zack Snyder since it had to feed into BvS and JL, screenplay by like 4 people, the snyders producing and their stunt team. And she had to adhere to Zacks style, hence slow motion speed ramps
2:30 It comes from the fact that _some_ directors started to write their own films or to direct only what they had written. Like Paul Verhoeven or obviously Clint Eastwood. But of course those people were highly talented and were often producers as well, which means the had their own skin in the game.
Directors should not be allowed sole writing credit just because they have achieved some degree of success AS a director. The smarter path for Hollywood to take would be to give good WRITERS a shot at directing because so much of screenwriting has to do with structure, which would and could advise the writer how to direct their own work. Most writers, as far as I can tell, have the entire movie right down to the final edit in their heads when they construct a script.
Yeah, the problem is that those are two very different skills. There's an analogy for this in American football when coaches try to be the general manager also. It very rarely works out. Sometimes it's best to specialize.
I can't help but think how different the Boba Fett tv series would have been if Temuera Morrison had played him more like Jake "The Muss" Heke from Once Were Warriors. I still get chills remembering the "Uncle Fucking Bully!" scene
Can you do a video discussing or giving examples of how much a movie is influenced by a good/bad writer as compared to a good/bad director as compared to a good/bad star? How much blame can or should we assign to each for a movie's success or failure?
Tom Cruise saying "you can get off my set now" to Rian Johnson is something I'd pay money to see!!! 😂
Definitely, because it would be more violent than that, like Cruise's "We are the Gold Standard" speech during covid filming. Or Christian Bale's "OOOHHHH GOOOOD FOR YOOOUUUU" moment 😂😂
Tommy C going full Les Grossman on Rian would be a worthy documentary.
I’d watch that, even if it was a single scene repeated over & over.
I would gladly pay just to see him go full Sgt Hartman on Rian Johnson.
It would have to be in his best Les Grossman voice. "You get the F*** off my set RIGHT NOW!!!"
More so than a rian johnson movie
Patty Jenkins made the most fatal error any filmmaker can make.
She didn't cast Jennifer Lawrence as the lead. Sure fire franchise ender.
+1
Don’t worry. Patty will now make a feminist Star Wars movie with female fighter pilots staring JLaw, JLo and Beyoncé. Just what the vastly male Star Wars audience wants. And they can ridicule ObiWan in it too and kill him off. And Chewbacca. And r2 d2.
But she did have WW turn an unwitting stranger into a sextoy, so that's a plus.
I mean, who can had cast?
Female didn't existed before Jennifer Lawrence,
@@rbu2136 How would you feminize R2D2® anyway?
~U2D🔃?
Wonder What's Wrong With This Woman 2022.
Underrated comment!
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The DocWOMANtary.
Jennifer Lawrence was the first Superman!
Wow really? I only know her as the first emperor of rome!
@@winxclubflora8446 LOL 🤣
Wasn’t Jennifer Lawrence also the first man on the moon?
@@TKinfinity01 Nah man she made the moon
@@notredboi Ah. My mistake. Please excuse my Misogyny.
Patty Jenkins: *leaves and makes a big deal out of it*
Everyone: "Oh no. Anyway."
Patty Jenkins: * wet hen noises *
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It's a shame that everyone is s**ting on the carpet over this.
She did still direct WW1 after all - it's not like Ridley Scott hasn't stuck his nose into the writing department and produced some s**t movies before despite his great catalog of films where others had locked up the script before he came on board.
So it might be worth giving her a break.
Some people just aren't cut out for screenwriting - it's not like Clint Eastwood wrote most of his scripts, no matter how many good films he directed.
Oh dear, how sad, Nevermind!
Patty Jenkins is stupid .She is in a veryprized and coveted position directing big budget Hollywood movies.Its what every director in Hollywood is after for the most part.Ron Howard hasn't written any movies that I know of.He got his chance to direct Backdraft years ago and he just kept directing keeping his mouth shut and doing what the studio wants him to do directorially and he has had a great career and made alot of money.
Having said that it's ridiculous that PJ is throwing a tantrum because they don't want her to write WW3.
She has hardly directed any movies.
If she was smart she would be content directing big budget Hollywood movies and keep her mouth shut and do what the studio wants and later in her career when she has directed more movies and proven herself to be a very capable director she will have more Hollywood clout to possibly write something she also directs.
08:00 "I liked Gal Gadot um.. because she's just beautiful" - The Critical Drinker Instant classic :)
It was obviously the spiked egg nog.
Gal? is a cool dude......TRANSFORMERS..more than meets the eyyyyyyyeeeeeeee
The entire world agrees.
I am with Mauler and the rest of EFAP on this. FNT and the drinker simping for this woman because she got a beautiful face attached to her head is UTTERLY pathetic! She gets out shown physique wise by multiple women in her on movie because she can't be assed to attain the necessary build aka visible muscle and her acting is garbage ("NOOOOOO KAL!"). I am sorry but if you are the main character than you need to be able to actually act!
tbf she didn't win Miss Israel for nothin.
That being said for all the people that wanna bang her I prefer another Israeli actress, Ayalet Zuhrer who played Kal El's mother in Man of Steel.
That be some fine woman right there, and definitely more acting range than Gal Gadot.
Critical Drinker: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?"
Patty Jenkins: *"I AM THE HYPE!!!"*
Her and Jennifer Lawrence should team up.
lol. I AM THE SENATE
She did push-ups, sit-ups and drank plenty of juice
-" Do you seriously believe your own hype that much? " " I AM THE HYPE!!! "-
Team Four Star!! 😆
Hoping this is a Dragon Ball Z Abridged reference lol
Drinker's observations about Gal Gadot's acting range is spot-on. In "Death on the Nile," she plays a woman who steals a man away from her best friend (her only friend, because she never cared that Gal's character was wealthy). In the book, she's supposed to be hard-nosed about it to her friend. Gal acts like a caring friend who just happens to take the man away from her, but hopes they can still be friends. It felt like she didn't want to damage her "nice girl" image playing an amoral manstealer.
You actually watch her movies? lol She's one hot jew momma though.
"It felt like she didn't want to damage her "nice girl" image playing an amoral manstealer"
This may have been Kenneth Branagh or Michael Green's choice - at the end of the day the actor is there to do what the director tells them, it's up to those people to allow ad lib or not.
Or.... it was just written that way. She's only had like 3 roles. What exactly are you judging her on?
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 do you think Hitler would've fucked her?
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 she is one of the best looking actresses in Hollywood right now next to margot robbie.
Remember, it's the social media age. Everybody wants, desperately, to BE their own brand. Everything they touch HAS TO be branded and tailored to them specifically, to scream their name and brand for all to see. They must have total control, and publicity, over everything they are associated with otherwise it's like admitting other people exist independent of "me".
Well said! Just like in sports,where every stinkin ball player in his second year in college needs a brand,and views himself as the future franchise player. The entitlement directors and actors have theses days is so pathetic. I would like to fire 90% of the morons in the business right now,cause they know nothing and are mostly talentfree hacks.
There's a difference between arrogance and full blown narcissism. This is just a side effect of the beginning of the internet age. Once we've all seen it and know it, no one will be special just because they 'want to be'. It will need to be earned as it was in the past. Now it's just a bunch of noise I ignore.
It's the age of the online witchunt...
Zack Snyder had a huge hand in the first wonder woman movie. It was his stunt team and both her and Zack faught for the no man's land scene. It wasn't her. He also Co wrote the script with another writer who was basically a WW expert.
Interesting - thanks for the snippet!
Agreed and I am surprised those 4 didnt know anyone of this, Zack Snyder , his stunt crew , VFX team and Alan Heinberg worked on the first WW, Patty got rid of all of them for 1984. Its not hard to find out...... zack Snyder was no where near as bad as people make out.
It's common practice to let action scenes be directed by people who are experienced in it.
@@bc2649 Was surprised they didnt mention Snyder in the 'directors that should not write' discussion. Everything he directs looks awesome. Everything he writes is stupid
Was about to say Zack Synder has a significant role in the making/directing of the first WW
For Waititi, it wasn't so much that he was "given" writing duty, but that he "took" the writing in his own direction based on whims of what he wanted to shoot at any given point.
The writer's strike ruined the entire entertainment industry by forcing an industry to cope with how to make a movie/TV show/game without having to pay talented writers their worth.
Agreed. But hollywood adopting wokeness has led to these studios hiring idiots who have no idea how to tell a story or develop a character. All these people care about is checking boxes for their ideology and projecting their world view into the movie/tv show/video game.
You mean greedy cunts at the top who want to penny pinch but reap all the profits imaginable ruined the industry.
The 2008 writers strike???? That was so long ago
💯
Not necessarily the strike itself, just corporate America weaseling its way out of any situation they can. “Oh the writers are overworked and underpaid? Well let’s just not hire them anymore and pay a director to do both jobs for the same amount of money! I am so smart, S-M-R-T… I mean S-M-A-R-T!”
"Oxygen is subjective."
-Bilbo Baggins
It's my opinion that the first WW movie was ghost directed by Snyder, and once his influence was not present in 1984, we got what we got from Patty. WW went from a badass, to a cartoon version of herself.
Snyder did the previz for the action scenes with his stunt team. The videos are there for people to see.
He may have had a part in making it but if he did the whole thing that movie would have sucked a big old donkey shit. Jenkins has made good movies outside of wonder woman 1984 so I wouldn't think she couldn't at least direct well but her writing is lacking.
@@jamiekelly6851 good movies? she only directed one nearly 20 years prior to WW84! Sorry, but she is nothing but a checkbox hire.
The first Wonder Woman didn’t suck so we know Snyder was not involved
@@jamiekelly6851 Man of Steel is the greatest comic book movie of all time and it was made top to bottom by Snyder
The Little Platoon’s comment about director’s egos pushing them into trying to become the SOLE MASTERMIND OF ALL THINGS is so true and spot-on! We can also add “executive producer” to the official list of duties and rest assured that the credited cinematographer and chief editor could not have worked in peace and had their crafts deeply meddled with. The result? Well, all I can think of is a certain still too recent “written and directed by Ryan Johnson” movie…
His name remindes me of a very good movie, written AND directed by Oliver Stone
@@FichtenFin Yep, but not everybody is Oliver Stone, no matter how much they would like to think they can be (or are). Hell, Oliver Stone hasn't been able to be THAT Oliver Stone for many years now. Only goes to show how rare "all-encompassing" cinematic talent really is and even when that talent manifests in many aspects, no one is as good in all of them - at the very least, not at the same time.
He wrote and directed knives out and looper. The problem is studios miscasting people. Like putting Tarantino in a rom com. Or Alfred Hitchcock In a slapstick comedy. Not everybody is made for everything.
IMHO PJ getting writing duty for WW84 had more to do with metoo after effects than anything to do with something she pitched to the studio.
Cleopatra would have been a nightmare, too many weirdos assume she was black and casting the gorgeous Gal Gadot with her tanned skin was too “problematic”
People just don't like or pay attention to history. The Romans and Egyptians both had detailed information about her looks, height, etc. Yet some want to oddly blackwash a real-life figure due to some sculptures depicting her with features some morons attribute is only from black-skinned people... People are dumb and especially when introducing anything about "race" into conversations.
Cleopatra: Marries her Brother
The Message: “So brave!”
@@exoblivione6086 much stunning!
Not weirdos so much as people ignorant of the last few centuries of dynastic Egypt whose ruling class was dominated by Greek occupiers who moved in after Alexander the Great invaded.
Prior to that event they might have had a point.
So ironically she is just as well suited to play Diana as she is Cleopatra 😂
@@mnomadvfx not going lie those people generally are not good at history.
WGA writer here. Many directors, alter scripts before shooting, usually for two reasons, the first being that the script might be terrible and the second being that they have a vision or style that they want (Michael Bay adding a bunch of action scenes to a movie or Taika Waititi adding a bunch of juvenile humor). The problem is that just adding a little flavor doesn’t mean that you know how to structure and write a complete script from the ground up. Unfortunately, directors, think they know how to do this if their “polish”’is well received. Basically thinking that if you added whip cream to a pie, and everyone loves the pie, that you are actually great at making a pie.
PS. Also adding your name as a writer allows you to enter the WGA and gives you another way to be paid. (Beyoncé never wrote a song, but you were required to give her co-writing credit to have a song in her album so she could have half your money)
The pie is a great metaphor. It explains in the simplest of terms what the real problem is.
Thanks for posting. I am sure I could have googled it, but over the last few years, I have wondered why some directors or producers get credited or blamed for the outcome of a movie.
Like, people would not stop j3rking off to Cari Fukinawa (sic), after he directed some episodes of True Detective s1. I mean, the cast was insane, the setting was spooky and Nic Pizzolato wrote a great story with incredibly well-developed characters. So, credit where it is due for Cari being a director, but for some reason, I feel like that show was gonna be fire, regardless of the director.
I think people were underwhelmed with s2 of True Detective and found some common denominator to explain it. But tbh, I love s2 of the show but thats a tldr for another day. But your comment just made me understand the process better. I'd be curious to know if it is mostly these new directors that are transforming decent scripts into blatant endorsements of twitter activism, or if they are trying to tweak garbage scripts that have been written by militant activists.
I'm assuming that if ur commenting on this channel, you likely don't subscribe to this new ideology of, "a little too p*$$y ass?"... credit to Christopher Maltisanti for that term.
The Mary Sue Rey character in The Force Awakens was a perfect window into this kind of mindset: "I can do anything better than anyone else, immediately, even without having worked hard at it or learned the craft. Why? Just 'cuz."
Rey is how they all think of themselves -- be it Jenkins or Kennedy or Elizabeth Holmes or any of them. Any and all criticism of them is "sexism" or "the patriarchy"; not a shred of awareness that it may be justified.
To be fair , the character of Rey turned out to be the daughter of a very powerful Sith Lord , Darth Sidious ( Palpatine) , so her force ability would be strong , they should have made her character go over to the dark side , that would have made things more interesting , but instead they chose to play it safe , JAR JAR ABRAM'S really damaged star wars ..so did Kk.
@@bigpun7916 Making her evil would have been the only way to redeem that truly loathsome character.
@@jetuber yes ! Exactly ! ...she is the grandaughter of a Sith Lord ..she should have totally gone over to the dark side ..it would have given Daisy Ridley a chance to show some acting range , because as Rey she was just Playing herself .
I don't know which is worse...current Star Wars or the militant fandom mob that goes with it.
@@bigpun7916 Many of us have said, Rey should have joined Snoke and Kylo was discarded after delivering her. He has a breakdown realizing he killed his father for nothing and starts his redemption arc back from the dark side. This is how you get that Empire Strikes Back gut punch in modern SW.
9:36 I didn't think anyone could rival Mauler in the world of genteel genius Brit insults, but holy shit, Platoon did it.
My favorite part was when Jennifer Lawrence does the superhero landing in front of Zod, removes her helmet, and says, “I am no maaan” and the proceeds to stab the Witch King in the face.
*AND EVERYONE CLAPPED!* (Unironically. Everyone onscreen, no matter what side they were on, stopped whatever they were doing to watch and broke out into spontaneous, heartfelt applause as the Witch King hit the dirt. Everyone parted and bowed to her as she left, and she casually grabbed an offered Oscar on the way out, which she promptly jammed between her legs.)
Many directors want to be the next Spielberg or Lucas. Even though both those directors' best films had co-writers, not always the main writer, and had amazing editors/post-film editing. We see how badly both those legendary directors do if only have yes men/nobody of competence to challenge or iron out the script or flow of scenes.
They wanna be QT. Forgetting QT was a writer who wrote and sold movies before he was a director.
Point of fact Spielberg hardly ever wrote scripts - of all of the most well known films he has directed only Close Encounters and Artificial Intelligence were written by him.
He wrote the story treatment on a few films he produced, but only co wrote the script for Poltergeist with 2 others.
The one Original Trilogy Star Wars film that Lucas wrote (ANH) the script for was apparently garbage until it was saved in the cutting room.
Wouldn't you know it, George married that film editor - what a coincidence!
Those 2 were some of the first to buck the established studio systems (Lucas more-so) and when we see how well their early movies did it opened the door for some real creative choices. Choices made by those well schooled in the film industry's do's and don'ts of film making. Those do's and don'ts are what is missing from many of today's 'professionals'. There is plenty of creativity, but no restraint or attempt to conform to what has worked for many years. Plus that dirty word - Nepotism.
John Carpenter wrote and directed almost all his movies. And he wrote the tunes. What a legend. I think the problem is the massive writer rooms and not the director being part of the writing. I think having a singular creative vision is better than trying to fit together 12.
I think both can work, but neither inherently works. There are SO many writers who really need other people to look over their work, brainstorm ideas, and work out problems. But just as there are writers who are ALMOST good enough on their own, there are also many writers who are terrible at compromise or letting go enough to give over vision to someone else, so any kind of committee with them is only going to produce worse material.
Robert Rodriguez too.
John Carpenter and Roger Coreman are cinematic heroes!
John Carpenter did not bat a thousand during his career.
They aren' saying writer/directors are inherently bad. The way I took it was that there are too many directors who want to be writer/directors but dont have the talent to do it, and they soldier on anyway because of an ego.
Of course writer/directors can be amazing, Carpenter, Tarantino and Darabont are all good examples. But there is a lack of humility in modern directors who want to have all the glory for themselves, when in fact they could direct amazing films if they just allowed other talented people to fill the other production roles.
The first WW film was ok because Patty Jenkins had help. Success got to her head and then she tries to pull quintuple duty without the crew from the first film and fails.
Patty Jenkins let the door hit her on her way out.
WW84: (exists)
Everyone: That’s just a trash can.
I think that any good actor who fits the part of Superman would probably hesitate to take on the role after the way that WB has behaved towards Cavill. They'll all think, "Are you going to treat me as 'well' as you treated the last guy?" They'd need a nobody.
Actors think they can direct, directors think they can write...it's a tale as old as time.
And writers think they're politicians, the beat goes on
They all really wish to be like the Nolan siblings (Syncopy).
Clint Eastwood has entered the chat :)
@@terrylandess6072 Valid point. lol
In my opinion, Boba Fett needs to be written like Angel Eyes from "The Good the Bad and the Ugly", utterly cold blooded, all about completing the job.
Hold the writers and directors down and make them watch Sergio Leone westerns and Kurosawa samurai films until they scream and beg like Alex from _Clockwork Orange_ .
"Now, you begin to understand."
And now I can't help but imagine Dengar as Chiggur from _No Country for Old Men._
That would be awesome
I wonder if we will look back in 100 years and realize how damaging social media was overall for the growth of society
Of course not. There will be no way to know that.
We already are
We will be too stupid and narcissistic to understand it by then. Heck, we are too stupid and narcissistic to understand it now.
"You hope they know what they are doing." Great one Mauler. That could apply to alot of situations these days.
THANK YOU! Someone finally said it!
Why are directors writing everything now?
Because the battlegroup of producers took over directing. There used to be ONE producer on a film in the past - now they outnumber every other profession making a film except extras.
I'm willing to bet that with Disney Marvel, the "writers" give a skeleton story and certain beats they want to hit, and the directors have to fill in as they go.
The skeleton stories though are often the comic storylines just jumbled up so that they can dodge copyright royalties to the original writers.
Unufortunately so jumbled that the OG comic plot is shredded into droollng piss.
Exhibit A: The Eternals - plenty of the same beats for a good Eternals comic story are there (also containing the golden/dreaming celestial Tiamut and Sprite wanting to become an adult), but all of the emotional impact is gone because they took all of those plot elements out of context and destroyed the narrative.
It's almost exactly the same strategy as Disney are doing with the live action versions of their classic animated films.
Didn't Snyder help out with WW? I remember him talking about it and was even on set to be in the ww1 picture in the background dressed as a soldier. I thought that's why they had the no man lands scene. It seemed like something Snyder would do and then patty did ww84 on her own and the rest is apparently history.
As soon as Snyder said 'No Mans Land' you'd think Jenkins would've left a faucet running.
Don't forget that "I miss Chris Pine" was also her whole character in justice league.
Meaning the character most held up these days as a strong female lead and role model spent literally 3 movies and a hundred years basically pining over one guys she knew for about a week.
So yeah. Just... great writing.
So she is male character on paper? Interesting 🤔
pining over Chris Pine 🥁
Literally Chris Pining 🤣
Sounds realistic to me - I still have psycho exes that talk to my family and show up in places they have no right to be - 10-15 years after the relationship.
@@dongately2817 no you dont
Another great show! Good to see The Little Platoon onboard for interaction with you and the guys.
Looks like im gonna be skipping marvel and DC for another 5 years
So you're telling me Patty Jenkins is available to direct Rogue Elements now. What are you waiting for?
10:15 ... you should read the Rogue and Wraith Squadron books from the 1990s. They, along with the Zahn books, were some of the best SW books written. After woke Star Wars failed, they are finally reprinting the X-Wing series in an effort to keep the brand alive. 👍👍
What a self-own that was. "See this? This is what we threw away so we could let Jar Jar and Roundhead have their way."
A competent director taking on that trilogy is my dream. I know the original cast couldn't do it, but a man can dream that people with a passion for the work could bring it to life.
Best Star Wars news I have heard since 78
2:54 while I agree, I think it can be done. Quentin Tarantino for instance is writer/director and has made some of the best films I’ve seen. I just don’t think directors of today are quite up to snuff or are entitled and deluded into thinking they are. It’s the industry that continues hiring these hacks because that’s the what community is flooded with now. Pandering and participation trophies seeking to cash in on trendy new social norms. It’s all flash no substance.
Then there’s Neil Breen…
Nolan, The Coen Brothers, Oliver Stone, Paul Thomas Anderson, Wes Anderson and many more
Taika Waititi was also a writer/director for his other films, including What We Do In The Shadows, Hunt For The Wilderpeople and Jojo Rabbit. All great films.
"I just don’t think directors of today are quite up to snuff"
That's not it.
PJ did the script for Monster, the film that put her on the map, but one critically successful film does not a great writer make, especially if you are looking for comic book/adventure style schlock which is a long way from waht Monster was about.
IMHO post WW1 Patty suffered the same problem Lucas did after the success of the Star Wars Original Trilogy - thinking that success due to many other factors was largely down to her direction, and not submitting to criticism (or the studio not even trying because metoo) in order to realise when her work falls short of requirements to entertain.
@@alexwitherden5326 I haven't seen Jojo, I agree with you on What We Do In The Shadows - but I'm gonna have to do a hard disagree on Wilderpeople.
Overall it just didn't hit for me despite liking elements for me - and it once more did something that makes me really despise Waititi's work.
He mocks death and grieving - he does it at the funeral in Wilderpeople as the priest, and he did it in Thor Ragnarok as the Asgardians were mourning the loss of their home.
It's not funny, not even remotely - sometimes there has to be an adult in the room, and it's clear that Disney/Marvel were fine with giving him a free reign anyways.
IMHO Waititi disappeared up his own ass since Disney gave him the time of day.
John Carpenter wrote most of his films, then directed them, then scored them. But he's a rarity.
And that only worked at the beginning of his career. His early films were masterpieces, right up to and including Thing and Prince of Darkness. They Live was the midpoint, good with some regrettable elements. Then they became awful and have been awful ever since.
@jetuber I still enjoy Vampires, but Prince Of Darkness forward, he no longer did Studio films, went back to indie.
So we got a Prince Of Darkness audience member, rare. I LOVE that movie, so underrated and honestly creeps me out.
@@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto Free of the unfunny "comedy bits" that killed his later films. Part of the reason why the earlier movies worked so well is that they were deadpan serious, with just a few very rare moments of black humour. But they played it completely straight.
No can’t see her. She’s making a statement
Good on Az at 3:45 for keeping things honest. A broken clock is right twice a day, no need to dispute that fact.
Yeah, well she also "fought" to include the stupid Amazon Olympics scene in WW84. Vehement self-certainty can cut both ways.
I never saw WW84 but no doubts there
"Patty Jenkins"- shoulda said Leroy Jenkins...
"That movie - WW84 - was offensive."
- My Girlfriend
Awwww she's so talented too.
I love the concept of Schrödinger’s Studio 😂
I just can't articulate the reaction I didn't have to this news.
“Patty Jenkins got fired”
“Who?”
Dredge up Peter Jackson for Rogue Squadron. Would be a 3 hour war movie spectacle
I've been a fan of his King Kong since release but just got around to the director's cut/extended edition. The man know excess and gives the editors plenty to work with. I could go for a Jackson Star Wars movie.
All I can tell you is that I LOVED the first Wonder Woman, I know it had it's issues but I still have a blast when I rewatch it. No Man's Land scene still iconic.
I was REALLY excited for WW1984. And then I saw it. And was like ah well…that's the end of that franchise 🤣
Considering that Snyder was behind the original Wonder Woman, and he had a similar 'No man's Land' scene in Sucker Punch, I call BS that it was Jenkins' idea no matter what she claimed.
Some directors wrote the movies they shot all along/across time, but most did & can not...ugh
Great comments from The Little Platoon. Schrodinger's cat... genius.
The first WW followed the Donner Superman outline. That's why it worked. WW2 was lost at sea...
I'm glad someone made the comparison to Watiti. Same exact problem.
9:22 mauler’s classy response to the pervy joke
The hilarious thing about Temeura Morrison having a better handle on the character of Boba Fett than the writers, is that until the Disney Plus shows came out, *he had never played Boba Fett* in a movie! He played Jango Fett and the clones in AotC & RotS but Jeremy Bulloch (I believe) played him in tESB & RotJ. All Morrison did was redub Bulloch's lines for the updated versions of the films.
Let’s be honest, if they make a Top Gun 3 and all the movie is is Ryan Johnson getting told to get off Tom Cruise’s set….I would totally watch that movie several times.
My Fav Chris Pine was that plague movie he did, with a close runner up as Kirk.
Rian Johnson being described as a "wannabe auteur" just sums it up really
I'm just curious who DEMANDED they bring back Steve Trevor for the sequel, rather than just finding a new actor/love interest?
Was it the studio who insisted they find a way to get Steve to appear somehow, or was it Jenkins who thought it was a good idea to just use some weird plot device to reunite the same 'power couple' from the first film?
Likely some big shot producer who wanted to get serviced by Pine, provided he dress up as Captain Kirk. 😂
Chris Pine is a good actor and he certainly helped to bring a lot to both films, especially the first one, but outside of something like a cameo or voiceover (and even those would have to be written carefully) I don't see how you could bring him back in a way that makes sense and doesn't totally retcon WW84 where it was already a stretch to have him back. It definitely sounds like a lack of confidence in the writing and screenplay that they can't come up with a good script without Steve Trevor.
As a person in the "biz", the directors being pushed as writers starts with the agents trying to squeeze every drop of money out of deal by getting their clients overpaid by multiple line items.
Could you explain a bit more how it works please?
I think what's happening with directors' writing films is that being a good director doesn't make you a good writer.
Well, where are the talented professional writers out there? Why doesn't Hollywood employ English language/creative writing graduates with good degrees then?
Patty Jenkins leaves.
Me: And nothing of value was lost!
Writer/Director fad is called the Rian Johnson Effect
Ruin Johnson Effect
The general writing quality from the Hollywood studios never really recovered from the string of Writers Guild strikes in the 1980s and 2007-2008.
Producers put out product without their input and still made money. From those moderate successes (which were due more to audience goodwill than quality) they decided that writers were a luxury, not a necessity. Add to that equation the dearth of good writers willing to put up with studio demands on content and social credit score agenda and...here we are.
The intellectual entertainment desert.
I could listen to Little Platoon say "author" all day long.
"auteur". It's some whacko french film school thing about Directors being artists.
This could all be solved by one person in the writer's room or on set. This one person simply says "No," to these stupid ideas.
The on set arsehole critic? Would save them hundreds of millions of dollars in embarassment.
Tarantino started the modern kick of writer/director. The difference is he spent a lot of time writing before he was able to direct.
James Cameron wrote and directed his best stuff. Of course, he is James Cameron, so you can't necessarily expect others to pull that off.
i have a feeling the No Man’s Land scene was forced in by the studio and she didn’t want it and is only taking credit for it now because it’s everyone’s favorite scene
So, it was recently announced that Rian Johnson's trilogy fell through because he is "too busy".
They want to have the:
"Written & Directed by.."
It was halfway through Battlestar Galactica when the writer strike took place, the producers believed they could carry on a show without them - the fans stuck around for a year, they took that to mean it worked.
Rogue squadron just needs to be Star Wars themed Top Gun and we'd be happy.
Nice Simpson's reference, Platoon! Too dang true when it comes to Jenkins.
I could have sworn I read that Zack Snyder had something to do with the action scenes in the first Wonder Woman.
Patty Jenkins is a lesson...
Sometimes it can be frustrating to watch the horrible people about you seemingly get on where you haven't in spite of your diligence and decency. But when you struggle to remember you're a good person by your own choosing rather than for selfish gain, be reminded:
These horrible people lead miserable and unfulfilled lives, everyone knows them for what they are (as they do you), and they all inevitably self destruct.
The fall off from the first Wonder Woman film to the 2nd has to be one of the biggest drop offs for any sequel ..
The first Wonder Woman obviously had way more Zac Snyder than they admit. The first ones action scenes were very very Snyder and WW84 was totally different
Mauler last comment hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned: actors don't even know the movie they're playing in for several reasons:
1. They don't get full scripts anymore, like in old times, because the studios fear leaks.
2. The studios fear leaks because they know the movies they make are either going to be controversial with the fans or just plain s***.
3. Scenes are shot in totally random sequences, leaving the actors to see the full movie either at the premiere or the pre-showing.
4. Point 3 is because the studios fear more influential actors might protest or even leave the set in disgust.
I did have that feeling with Luke and Rey. I thought he was going to be the crochety mentor who makes Rey face herself & grow. A bit like Yoda. It would not have surprised me if Mark Hamill had said scenes like that had been filmed then discarded. Alas, we got Green milk drinker sh*tty Luke instead of a smart mentor Luke.
@@ptonpc Yes, it didn't make much sense that Hamill would have agreed upfront to return to Star Wars in that shitty portrait of his epic role.
Very glad to see "The Little Platoon" here ..... but I still have no idea what that name means.
"Alright guys, I'm back. Let's DO THIS! mmPATTY JENNNNNNNKINNNNNS!!!"
Oh, yeah, didn't realize they have the same last name. ;-)
Fun Fact: The correct pronunciation of Rion Johnson's first name is actually *Ruin.*
"I'm Rian 'Ruination' Johnson. I like to feed social media with clickbait and rumours of a Star Wars trilogy I'm supposed to be directing (laughs)😂. Well that's news to me."
She didn't even direct the action scenes in the first WW film, that was Zack Snyder's 2nd unit team. WW84 was all her and her team.
I am so glad they took her off the Rogue Squadron film. If they are gonna do it, it should be by the same team that did Rogue One and Andor, and they should adapt the Legends Rogue Squadron books.
But they aren't, they are gonna screw it up.
Andor was a bright shining example that they can get it right, that somehow slipped through, but since it came after 2 major turds, the well was poisoned and nobody showed up.
They will take the exact wrong thing from it, and decide that what they really need to do is squeeze out some more sh*t.
My sentiments exactly.
Patty Jenkins Productions presents a Patty Jenkins Film Starring Patty Jenkins. Music Composed and Conducted by Patty Jenkins. Screenplay by Patty Jenkins Based on The Book “The Patty Jenkins Story” by Patty Jenkins. Produced and Directed by Patty Jenkins.
Rogue Leader and Rebel Strike on Nintendo Gamecube were the best ones.
Patty Jenkins is the type who quits Twitter, leaves a 34 tweet thread about leaving Twitter, then logs in after 2 days because Twitter needs her strong female opinion.
She got a trophy for a movie which included the work of 'how many others' and it went straight to her head. There's a reason we didn't hear anything from her after that till someone brought her onboard for WW. Now we can't get rid of her again.
Dude, Taika wrote and directed JoJo Rabbit and won an Oscar for best adapted screenplay. He did drop the ball with love and thunder but Marvel had proof before be wrote and shot love and thunder so..
The heart of what makes the Wonder Woman movies work is the chemistry between Chris Pine and Gal Gadot. They're great together. They could do a cooking show and I would watch it.
They should have kept him on at the end of WW84, and just written the creepy body swap out of it entirely.
He comes back because magic, and he stays around at the end of the movie because the universe owed Wonder Woman one. Done.
Wrong, ww84 never should have happened, if anything do a green lantern movie and get Steve before he blows up... Been gone for years and comes back in ww3
Steve Trevor dying would be the new Waynes parents, giving up his life in every movie.
1st WW had a story by Zack Snyder since it had to feed into BvS and JL, screenplay by like 4 people, the snyders producing and their stunt team. And she had to adhere to Zacks style, hence slow motion speed ramps
2:30 It comes from the fact that _some_ directors started to write their own films or to direct only what they had written. Like Paul Verhoeven or obviously Clint Eastwood.
But of course those people were highly talented and were often producers as well, which means the had their own skin in the game.
The more I think about it the more convinced I am that Jenkins never actually directed WW1.
Directors should not be allowed sole writing credit just because they have achieved some degree of success AS a director. The smarter path for Hollywood to take would be to give good WRITERS a shot at directing because so much of screenwriting has to do with structure, which would and could advise the writer how to direct their own work. Most writers, as far as I can tell, have the entire movie right down to the final edit in their heads when they construct a script.
Yeah, the problem is that those are two very different skills. There's an analogy for this in American football when coaches try to be the general manager also. It very rarely works out. Sometimes it's best to specialize.
Patty Jenkins is a perfect example of what happens to a man when he believes his own propaganda XD
I can't help but think how different the Boba Fett tv series would have been if Temuera Morrison had played him more like Jake "The Muss" Heke from Once Were Warriors.
I still get chills remembering the "Uncle Fucking Bully!" scene
Kal-El, no!
Can you do a video discussing or giving examples of how much a movie is influenced by a good/bad writer as compared to a good/bad director as compared to a good/bad star?
How much blame can or should we assign to each for a movie's success or failure?
Terrible idea. It’d just be bad guessing based on nothing