Greek Alphabet Song

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024

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  • @Modern.Elegance
    @Modern.Elegance 10 лет назад +12261

    People on here learning for class and I'm learning for Greek Life. Life of a pledge

  • @allenchea2626
    @allenchea2626 10 лет назад +3685

    This guy, helping pledges all around the worlddd....

  • @FirstNameBunchOfNumbers16
    @FirstNameBunchOfNumbers16 10 лет назад +1379

    y'all saying this is wrong realize this is solely for the purpose of US fraternities

  • @TheLongHorn4LIfe
    @TheLongHorn4LIfe 12 лет назад +366

    i like how they end with sir just so we remember

  • @mechwarreir2
    @mechwarreir2 13 лет назад +348

    I love how greek alphabet letters makes math look so complicated, since its used in all kinds of physics variables.

  • @digitaldaemon74
    @digitaldaemon74 9 лет назад +2049

    I am Greek. My one year old goes from crying to dancing with this video so i could care less if the pronunciation is not 100%.. KEEP THIS VIDEO UP FOR MY SANITY

    • @A.Rod32
      @A.Rod32  9 лет назад +185

      Haha, it is my pleasure! My little sister loves it as well, however I have come to dislike it myself.. I do plan to keep it up though. Thank you.

    • @marinagarciasolorzano1724
      @marinagarciasolorzano1724 9 лет назад +38

      jo tho I am a 63 years old lady, and also tonight, I went from cryint to dance with this video; because I am a
      self-taught person trying to learn some Greek, and even the pronunciation is not the correct, I am going to remember the characters of the alphabet... I really like the beat of this sound!

    • @briannawilson4689
      @briannawilson4689 9 лет назад +50

      Marina Garcia Solorzano I am half Greek and trust me even though the beat it good, I would not recommend this for people to use as a substitute for the actual pronunciation. It is 100% off

    • @A.Rod32
      @A.Rod32  9 лет назад +37

      +Marina Garcia Solorzano​​ I am glad you enjoy, I really made it for fun a long time ago. It is meant to be catchy and entertaining. If you are entertained, I am happy :)

  • @Brave_New_Tube
    @Brave_New_Tube 13 лет назад +414

    When you're pledging to a fraternity and you have some sort of membership candidacy period, they will tell you to recite the Greek alphabet at any given time during said period. It's traditional to end with 'sir' after reciting the alphabet (or pledge), to acknowledge their status as someone higher or more experienced in the realm of the fraternity that you're pledging to. Hope this clears up all the sir questions.

  • @livelovedance016
    @livelovedance016 10 лет назад +833

    This is the pronunciation for the American Greek system. I think that's the point of this video, not for people who actually want to learn the Greek language 🙈😂 Most people who rush sororities and fraternities in the US have to know this.

  • @nobellegundam
    @nobellegundam 13 лет назад +70

    Wow... this song is actually really helping me to remember the Greek alphabet. Thanks for this video.

  • @gemmadoesit3638
    @gemmadoesit3638 8 лет назад +472

    What it is really supposed to sound like is (I'm not hating)
    Alpha (Al-Fuh)
    Veeta (Vee-tuh)
    Gamma (Gam-muh)
    Thelta (Thell-tuh)
    Epsilon (Ep-see-lun) DON'T GET IT CONFUSED WITH EEPSILON
    Zeeta (Zee-tuh)
    Eeta (Ee-tuh)
    Theeta (Thee-tuh)
    Yota (Yo-tuh)
    Kappa (Kap-uh)
    Lambda (Lam-thuh)
    Mee (Mee)
    Nee (Nee)
    Ksee (K-see)
    Omicron (Oh-mee-crun)
    Pi (Pee)
    Rho (Row) MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A TONGUE ROLL ON RHO
    Sigma (Sig-muh)
    Tauf (Toff)
    Eepsilon (Eep-see-lun)
    Phee (Fee)
    He (Hee)
    Psee (P-see) DON'T GET IT CONFUSED WITH KSEE
    Omega (Oh-meg-uh)
    Tell me if this helped you pronounce the letters or not in the comments I'll make a Greek version too :D

    • @A.Rod32
      @A.Rod32  7 лет назад +75

      This is actually very helpful for those trying to learn the correct pronunciation. Thank you for posting :)

  • @Rowyourboat14
    @Rowyourboat14 10 лет назад +6

    This video's pronunciation of the letters are the ancient ones, and not said the way they are pronounced now, in modern times. This video helped me a lot, so thank you.

  • @prettib0iswag
    @prettib0iswag 12 лет назад +40

    this is helping fulfill my pledge so much

  • @fernandagovani5942
    @fernandagovani5942 8 лет назад +258

    I'm currently pledging and this song is saving me .

  • @MadDog44
    @MadDog44 10 лет назад +33

    I love this video. Most of the pronunciations are like the ones professors use. It's too bad the small letters weren't included--we need to know those too.

  • @hikeh101
    @hikeh101 12 лет назад +71

    i like how there is a sir at the end of it

  • @nicoyazawa2488
    @nicoyazawa2488 9 лет назад +366

    all the Greek people in comments are like ''oh they're all wrong, delete it'' and blah blah blah but i'm here like '' omg THAT IS SO CUTE, PEOPLE ARE INTERSTED IN LEARNING MY LANGUAGE ^^''

  • @angel-yw3lk
    @angel-yw3lk 10 лет назад +322

    I'm greek...and I can say that's hilarious!

    • @user-eu7bh8pe8p
      @user-eu7bh8pe8p 10 лет назад +43

      I know! It annoys my mum how badly people who speak english/american pronounce greek words and letters

  • @nikorice7354
    @nikorice7354 9 лет назад +213

    I'm laughing too hard at this

  • @ereszkigal111
    @ereszkigal111 10 лет назад +8

    Dude, that's a hell of a materpiece you made here. Please do not delete it, even if it's wrong. Should be saved as a part of mankind's cultural heritage.

  • @TheSkywardKid
    @TheSkywardKid 9 лет назад +9

    This sounds like Technologic by Daft Punk and I love it!

  • @Whoisreal666
    @Whoisreal666 7 лет назад +13

    This is dope! I'm just learning Greek for the heck of it (shrugs) 😅
    And all you ppl trippin on pronunciation chill... 1hr into my research, and I knew it was off... I can fix that later. lol... chill...

    • @Whoisreal666
      @Whoisreal666 7 лет назад

      From the time I commented, to now, about 45mins. I learned the Greek alphabet. thank you sir. you are too kind....

  • @mariagandara8078
    @mariagandara8078 9 лет назад +539

    Anyone read Percy Jackson and Heroes of olympus?

    • @DaikonSenpai
      @DaikonSenpai 9 лет назад +3

      PJO? Yes, HoO? No, I'm waiting till next year

    • @mbar463521
      @mbar463521 9 лет назад +3

      Yes!

    • @mariagandara8078
      @mariagandara8078 9 лет назад +4

      I own the Blood of Olympus, not trying to rub it in

    • @mariagandara8078
      @mariagandara8078 9 лет назад +3

      I almost own all the books. But I dont want the movies

    • @mariagandara8078
      @mariagandara8078 9 лет назад +8

      My fav. one is also battle of labyrinth, in Percy Jackson, Heroes of Olympus is Mark of Athena, only for the Percabeth.

  • @salmaelizabeth
    @salmaelizabeth 9 лет назад +83

    Is the beat of the song from Technologic by Daft Punk?

  • @pepieverage6788
    @pepieverage6788 7 лет назад +18

    where was this when I was pledging ?? grrrrr

    • @A.Rod32
      @A.Rod32  2 года назад +4

      Haha, it was on RUclips ya silly!

  • @BookStorme
    @BookStorme 12 лет назад +7

    You are increadably talented, eve if their not all pronounced right. I love the techno beat.

  • @lPsychoQueenl
    @lPsychoQueenl 9 лет назад +151

    Correct pronunciation:
    Α - alpha
    Β - bita *
    Γ - gama*
    Δ - delta *
    Ε - epsilon
    Ζ - zita
    Η - ita
    Θ - thita
    Ι - yota
    Κ - kappa
    Λ - lamda (special) *
    Μ - mi
    Ν - ni
    Ξ - ksi
    Ο - omikron
    Π - pee (xD)
    Ρ - ro
    Σ - sigma *
    Τ - taf
    Υ - ipsylon
    Φ - fi
    Χ - hi (pronounced like hee not HI)
    Ψ - psi
    Ω - omega *
    (*So wherever you see "b" , "g" or "d" there is a special pronunciation for these that cant be decribed by english letters but its the closest one :D)
    *Flies away*

    • @kripat2414
      @kripat2414 9 лет назад +13

      Venomia Correct pronunciation:
      Α - al(ph)a ->alfa -> άλφα ->α
      Β - bita * -> vita -> βήτα -> βου
      Γ - gama* ->(gh)ama gh like (french r) ->γάμα ->γου
      Δ - delta * ->(thhhh)elta -> δέλτα -> δου
      Ε - epsilon ->e(ps)ilon ->έψιλον ->ε
      Ζ - zita ->z(ee)ta ->ζήτα-> ζου
      Η - ita-> (ee)ta -> ήττα->
      Θ - thita ->(th)(ee)ta->θήτα-> θου
      Ι - yota -> (e)((o)(ο))ta -> ιώτα or γιώτα -> ι
      Κ - kappa ->kapa ->κάπα ->κου
      Λ - lamda (special) * lam(thhhhh)a ->λάμδα ->λου
      Μ - m(ee) -> μί ->μου
      Ν - n(ee) ->νί->νου
      Ξ - (ks)(ee) ->ξί ->ξου
      Ο - omikron ->όμικρον -> o
      Π - pee (xD) -> πί -> που
      Ρ - ro -> ρό ->ρου
      Σ - sigma * ->σίγμα ->σου
      Τ - taf -> τάφ ->του
      Υ - ipsylon -> (ηί)ψιλον ->ύψιλον ->υ
      Φ - fi -> (ph or f)(ee)->φί ->φου
      Χ - hi (pronounced like hee not HI) ->(ch or h better -> hh)(ee) ->χί->χου
      Ψ - psi -> (ps)(ee) -> ψί -> ψου
      Ω - omega * ->((o)(ο))me(gh)a ->ωμέγα ->ω
      try this because the video spelling is wrong, i cant explain more the δ try all at google translate

    • @eliseriddle9835
      @eliseriddle9835 9 лет назад +5

      Kri Pat Now I don't trust the Internet to give accurate information on the Greek alphabet! Can you explain what each letter sounds like in a word as well as the dipthongs (Or however you spell it :P), please! I'm trying to learn greek, but sometimes it can be so hard! ;-;

    • @Maria_D.
      @Maria_D. 9 лет назад +5

      Venomia No actually the pronounciation of bita can be described as veeta and wherever you have put d it is pronounced better as 'th' in 'the' ;)

    • @lPsychoQueenl
      @lPsychoQueenl 9 лет назад +5

      Maria D. Ts. Καλό δεν το ειχα σκεφτει ετσι.. Δεν γραφω συχνα greeklish οποτε καταλαβαινεις :Ρ

  • @smokeycloud1
    @smokeycloud1 8 лет назад +18

    When I joined my fraternity this and are creed was a nightmare to remember

  • @jadelayton8506
    @jadelayton8506 11 лет назад +15

    We have to learn the Greek Alphabet in my class and she said the first one who learns the Greek Alphabet in 5 days gets like 20 extra points!!!! so this is awesome lol

  • @PantherJM15
    @PantherJM15 14 лет назад +39

    I learned the Greek alphabet thorugh song as well when I was in 7th grade. It came in handy when pledging my fraternity in college! I was ahead of the game!

  • @anuntitledchannel1832
    @anuntitledchannel1832 8 лет назад +13

    We watched this in class and everyone was laughing this is the best thing ever!And Andrew Rodriguez: +SPARTAN PRIDE :3

  • @jeffreymehr
    @jeffreymehr 13 лет назад +26

    Well, it's not Greek pronunciation, but it's pretty clever. Thank you, AG!

  • @coreymartin8044
    @coreymartin8044 10 лет назад +387

    LMAO WHO ELSE ON LINE AND GOTTA LEARN THIS SHIT!!!???

    • @DamianSmikle
      @DamianSmikle 10 лет назад +18

      You can tell this man was on line from the sir! At the end! Lol!

  • @samattampa
    @samattampa 10 лет назад +153

    Damn Pledges

  • @loismasel52
    @loismasel52 7 лет назад +9

    When I watched your video, it got stuck in my head and now I am about the only one in my neighborhood and of all my friends who can say the greek alphbet, thanks a million! ;-)

  • @animalLuverify
    @animalLuverify 14 лет назад +7

    u should make a spanish alphabet one. that would help alot of people. The beat is catchy.

  • @Emily34593
    @Emily34593 13 лет назад +2

    So much thanks for upload this song on youtube!

  • @glowingdarkmatter25
    @glowingdarkmatter25 15 лет назад +10

    Who cares if the pronunciations are wrong. It is just a plain cool song! I'm studying Greek slowly so this helps a lot.

  • @mypupismup
    @mypupismup 11 лет назад +3

    Yup, exactly. It included all the important stuff we should know about our sorority, like it's history, policies, symbols. Stuff like that. It wasn't a big deal, but it's a way to make sure we actually know our sorority and what it stands for and where it came from. :)

  • @SunnasChariot
    @SunnasChariot 12 лет назад +4

    Great, now I've got it stuck in my head!

  • @OMF33
    @OMF33 13 лет назад +1

    Thanks dude,
    I had to learn this and it helps me very good a 9!
    On my gymnasium (Netherlands) you have to lissen this song for a test and for Small Tests (SO's)

  • @sy3nieidk513
    @sy3nieidk513 8 лет назад +5

    THANK YOU SO MUCH I LOVE THIS SONG NOW YOU JUST MADE ME LEARN GREEK ALPHABET THANK YOU SO MUCH!!😚❣💖

  • @pamalogy
    @pamalogy 10 лет назад +63

    I think I'm going to have to make my own alphabet video. Two million hits and the pronunciation isn't even right? Gadzeeks!

    • @Robert-if5hh
      @Robert-if5hh 10 лет назад +12

      The video serves to help people memorize the Alphabet. The video-maker apologized for the mispronunciation. Mispronunciation of language/ alphabets is very common anyways. I was born in the South-East of the U.S. and I pronounce some words quite differently than people elsewhere. I know how to spell, so what is the issue? And, where is your video, Sir? I would watch a correct pronunciation video if it was this catchy ....

    • @barbapapas-left-nut
      @barbapapas-left-nut 10 лет назад +1

      How do you even know how to pronounce it while nobody knows. o- o

    • @sweetpea1558
      @sweetpea1558 10 лет назад +1

      TheDutchgamer4life he mite be that language and that is greek

    • @ElenaNinolaki
      @ElenaNinolaki 10 лет назад +5

      Hi, for some letters like i is pronounced yiota and not i-yiota. But as a Greek, I got to say nice words cause the total approach was good and I think his intentions even better. Have fun all of you :)

  • @A.Rod32
    @A.Rod32  12 лет назад +41

    apparently over 12,000 people don't care about the pronunciation errors...
    I'm sorry little girl, your argument is invalid. ;-)

  • @mdawg252
    @mdawg252 13 лет назад

    My Social Studies t3echer showed this to us in class when we were learning that alphabet....I think that you did awesome because with out this I wouldn't have it down and remembered.....so, thank you.

  • @k8eebug1
    @k8eebug1 14 лет назад +5

    I thought this was a really helpful tool for learning the Greek alphabet... I am currently trying to learn the capitals of the USA, so I was wondering if you could come up with a little song like this for the states?
    Thanks so much for a great song! ;)

  • @UdReks
    @UdReks 11 лет назад +2

    Thanks for the lead. I really have been through this before, so... I think I'll trod the same old ground as I did at Michigan.
    I tend to call these digraphs.

  • @BAMitsLeesha
    @BAMitsLeesha 15 лет назад +6

    I'm Trying to learn Greek and this is pretty cool.
    Love the beat

  • @ql8960
    @ql8960 8 лет назад +2

    This sounds like a familiar song! I like this :)

  • @57inkman
    @57inkman 9 лет назад +7

    great i am 11 and my social studies teacher said that if we could say it wile doing the robot we would extra credit hahaha cool vid :)

  • @cerusblue
    @cerusblue 12 лет назад +4

    I've watched this about 10 times and pretty much know it by heart.

  • @Brumblebree
    @Brumblebree 13 лет назад +7

    that sir just gets me everytime lol

  • @steventhepooh
    @steventhepooh 9 лет назад +126

    All the Greek people have to understand that the pronunciations of these letters as demonstrated in this song are the classic pronunciations of Koine Greek, which was the vernacular of the Roman Empire throughout the Hellenistic period. The pronunciations are therefore correct for those learning Greek in an academic setting where the literature is most commonly from the Hellenistic era.

  • @A.Rod32
    @A.Rod32  12 лет назад +5

    haha, it gets stuck in my head every time I play it...

  • @ckoune
    @ckoune 11 лет назад +1

    No problem. As you can see, one is able to extract precise pronunciations of Greek words through the Latin. There is no doubt, however, that Classical Greek and Modern Greek are polar opposites in relation to pronunciation.

  • @Bwizard777
    @Bwizard777 12 лет назад +4

    Wow great song! This song helped me memorize it for my test!

  • @A.Rod32
    @A.Rod32  9 лет назад +292

    Haters gonna hate...

    • @chrismusix5669
      @chrismusix5669 9 лет назад +29

      My daughter is starting to sing this song! Came here looking for a song resource to help her learn it. I'm not even worried about mispronunciations - she's smart enough to figure them out later :P

    • @specialparadise
      @specialparadise 9 лет назад +23

      Excellent video my friend, I am Greek that was raised in Greece, the problem with some Greeks here is that they don't know that the pronunciation is a little bit off due to the English language. I don't know not even one Greek word(and we have thousands of them) in the English Alphabet that is pronounced properly. English speakers just changed them so that the words can flow better when combined with their words, which is totally understandable. So I cant blame the Greeks for just trying to be "helpful" :)

  • @kevinvandeglind6332
    @kevinvandeglind6332 9 лет назад +14

    thanks, you have helped me a lot, because i have to learn it for school

  • @oliviawhite6033
    @oliviawhite6033 12 лет назад

    Finally! Good video!

  • @crozinek
    @crozinek 13 лет назад +3

    nice learned the whole alphabet in like ten minutes

  • @chriswistos
    @chriswistos 13 лет назад

    Katapliktiko....Ematha tin alfavita !!!! Epitelous !!!

  • @Alex-xk5dq
    @Alex-xk5dq 7 лет назад +8

    Guys, chill, it helps! I learn how the letters follow each other, I know I must pronounce this in a more "ancient" way :D

  • @ysiboy07
    @ysiboy07 12 лет назад

    THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH, I GOT EXTRA CREDIT FOR SINGING THIS SONG, HAHAHA EVEN THO I HAV AN A ALREADY, I DID IT JUST FOR FUN SO, THANKS, HAHAHAH

  • @NoaStrupler
    @NoaStrupler 9 лет назад +13

    Always been fascinated by the Greek language, and I was totally entertained by this video! Thank you!

  • @kitjh2017
    @kitjh2017 9 лет назад +1

    Nice song! Helps me a lot to learn Greak Kappa

  • @Im50movesAhead
    @Im50movesAhead 10 лет назад +6

    This is one of the coolest songs ever!

  • @ZENICHHERO
    @ZENICHHERO 12 лет назад

    This is the best parody and the only parody of m 2nd favorite song

  • @zakjohnson7590
    @zakjohnson7590 7 лет назад +75

    I respect the effort, but these pronunciations are killing me

  • @WalterWalter7
    @WalterWalter7 7 лет назад +2

    make this on loop for an hour

  • @violenthipshaking
    @violenthipshaking 10 лет назад +10

    What's that "Phi Chi" at the end?

  • @amyhk1
    @amyhk1 12 лет назад

    This is helping me so much right now! Thanks!

  • @tatorsal
    @tatorsal 12 лет назад +9

    This is what i learned in college mom

  • @zaxfnm9862
    @zaxfnm9862 9 лет назад

    best song that I could find good job

  • @TheBakugan75
    @TheBakugan75 12 лет назад +21

    Loved listening to this as a pledge! Kappa Sigma forever, baby!

  • @EastTx20081
    @EastTx20081 13 лет назад

    THIS IS REALLY HELPING ME LEARN THE GREEK ALPHABET SINCE IM PLEDGING KΣ (KAPPA SIG) RIGHT NOW!!!!!

  • @MUSICandSTUFF7395
    @MUSICandSTUFF7395 12 лет назад +7

    I MEMORIZED THE WHOLE GREEK ALPHABET BY LISTENING TO THIS SONG!
    !!! I'LL SHOW IT OFF NEXT TIME I GO TO TO GREECE

  • @abrammccreary8912
    @abrammccreary8912 10 лет назад

    THIS IS TOTAL AWESOMENESS!!!! AWESOME!!!!

  • @user-eu7bh8pe8p
    @user-eu7bh8pe8p 10 лет назад +38

    Alot were mispronounced- I speak greek and I find this song very funny to listen to but it annoys my mum haha

  • @jasminepantoja7680
    @jasminepantoja7680 11 лет назад +2

    this song helps me learn so much better

  • @misskhan7030
    @misskhan7030 7 лет назад +3

    I love this song! 😄😄😄

  • @kimchiman1000
    @kimchiman1000 12 лет назад

    Thanks for the warning. I want to learn Greek, but I don't want to learn the wrong way to speak it.

  • @Servum24
    @Servum24 8 лет назад +68

    Is the singer, Nicki Minaj?

  • @pkeats16
    @pkeats16 12 лет назад +1

    this song is saving my life now

  • @bebe0689
    @bebe0689 13 лет назад +6

    This song helped learn my Greek letters for my pledge test. RINGTONE! hahaha

  • @hypotherima1
    @hypotherima1 11 лет назад +1

    Just starting to learn greek. This will help with me trying to remember the alphabet :D
    Repeater activated

  • @crai9286
    @crai9286 11 лет назад +4

    We have to listen to this daily in social studies so we can learn the Greek alphabet. One day we actually had to march around the room to this -_-

  • @alecsmith4143
    @alecsmith4143 11 лет назад +1

    Catchy and helped me learn overnight. I wrote out the spellings so I could follow along and it worked

  • @kavv07gaming47
    @kavv07gaming47 7 лет назад +5

    Best Song in the world BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
    !!!!!!!!

  • @SunnasChariot
    @SunnasChariot 11 лет назад +2

    I taught my nephew this song. He was bobbing his head the whole time! :)

  • @NanaBayBeeLove
    @NanaBayBeeLove 12 лет назад +4

    this is amazing! i learned the alphabet in less than 3 hours. Just kept repeating the song over and over again

  • @daberz5
    @daberz5 12 лет назад

    Oooo it's that time of year again. Delta Chi, Damn Proud

  • @STLCODPS3123
    @STLCODPS3123 7 лет назад +4

    Gotta love I week #Pledgelife

  • @stellaedwards
    @stellaedwards 12 лет назад

    This helped me with my class work!! Thanks!!!

  • @neighborvadim594
    @neighborvadim594 7 лет назад +11

    It's like a "Greek" daft punk

  • @priyanshuaryan7171
    @priyanshuaryan7171 7 лет назад

    this is the best greek song dude.

  • @HaniiPuppy
    @HaniiPuppy 15 лет назад +8

    Chi is pronounced "Chee", where the Ch represents the rough-sounding ch that is best known in the scots words "Loch" or "Stramach", as opposed to the Ch sound as in "Chocolate" or the Ck sound as in "Lick"
    Psi is pronounced "Psee" - the P hasn't been silenced and it still pronounced at the start before the S
    Omega is pronounced "Awmeegah"
    The ones that I haven't mentioned were spelt correctly :P

  • @aymenboy11
    @aymenboy11 11 лет назад

    it helps with homework i was learning about greek thx sm

  • @mb-qi3rw
    @mb-qi3rw 7 лет назад +7

    what does the "sir" mean

  • @DonDexPhoto
    @DonDexPhoto 13 лет назад

    THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!

  • @jadagibson1716
    @jadagibson1716 11 лет назад +4

    Now I know my ABG's!!! :D

  • @UdReks
    @UdReks 11 лет назад +2

    One more thing: pompous comes from pompen, then where does bombast come from?
    And, do you feel the same about the delta in ancient greek sounding as a "d" rather than use of vt?