Thanks so much!!! 59 year old Gramma learning Biblical Greek (on my own for the first time, not through a school). So, I'm very grateful for this and other videos!
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Thank you very much! I'm 16 years old and have a keen interest in Greek mythology and history. Your assistance is greatly appreciated and will certainly aid me in fulfilling my dream of reading the myths in their original classical Greek language.
To anyone interested out there . The video is supposed to be about the Biblical Greek , so basically modern Greek. Basically after the Koine Greek there weren't many alterations concerning the pronantiation and the vocabulary . Most of the changes after that period were grammatically based . Unfortunately as a native Greek speaker i found quite a few errors with the pronantiation provided . Have a look around in the web to get a wider perspective about how the letters are pronounced . Happy learning
Right, I am a mathematician and have been pronouncing the letters wrong, just like the guy in this video. I have recently tried to learn how they are really pronounced and there are quite a few videos here on RUclips that do that.
Thank you. I am taking a physics class and my professor keeps giving us new Greek letters so I figured I would just get the whole alphabet memorized so I can have one less thing to be confused about.
Excellent video! Very well explained and shown, I love how repetition was built in, two thumbs up, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, God Bless You Good Sir, God Bless All ❤️
Ok, first, as he acknowledges this is Erasmian pronunciation which was the work of a Dutch scholar, therefore this is not an anglicized pronunciation. The letters used in transliteration are not English letters, they are Latin letters. Therefore, if anything, it is a latinized pronunciation. However, if you read the scholarship of say Constantine Campbell, you'll see that the archaeological evidence of spelling mistakes in inscriptions suggests that Erasmian pronunciation was true for a certain dialect in the classical period but that Koine Greek bore a greater resemblance to Modern Greek pronunciation. However, given that for a long time classical Greek was taught in schools and universities with Koine Greek not being taught as a separate subject it is perfectly understandable that it is the pronunciation that dominates the theological guild.
I can Congratulate you on bringing about The GREEK ALPHABET, HOWEVER THE PRONOUNCING IS A LITTLE OUT, but I take off my hat for Bringing about The Greek Alphabet into the public;
They know. The point is to memorize the letters so you can read them. If he does the correct Greek pronunciation it will cause morons like me to be confused about what letter he is referring to.
Erasmian is known to not be the authentic pronunciation of Koine Greek. Also, you're showing only the "small" letters. These letters didn't exist until the middle ages. The early Church used only "capital" letters (that is, what we refer to as "capital letters" now). Other than that, thank you for your video.
From the beginning to the end, the whole video is a hybris to the Hellenic language.Friendly greetings from the evershine Hellas (Greece to ya all) and Hellenic language the MOTHER OF ALL LANGUAGES....and that's an undeniable fact.
Beta is not a B sound. The sound is V. VITA. Gamma is not a G sound. The closest sound in English is Y. Let's take the word agitate and change it to ayitate. That is the sound, but without the i. Delta is not a D sound. The sound is THE-LTA. THE without the E. Biblical, as you call it, Greek alphabet is a distortion of the symbols which should only be written in capital. The symbols are actually 27. F is one not used anymore. But it is actually a double gamma. F or ΓΓ has the g sound as in an-g-ry. All 27 letters are symbols. They are not arbitrary. Same with numbers. Both fall within the Greek Worldview or Cosmotheasis, the map of Creation.
Hello, thanks for that, however I am Greek and can confirm the pronunciation of the letters is not correct. I’ll see if I can make a video to demonstrate the sounds. Thanks
@@americandowninbrazil True, Koine Greek pronunciation was different than Modern Greek, but no one really knows how it was pronounced exactly, that's why even when we are teaching an older version of Greek, in Greece we use Modern Greek pronunciation, since this is how we know to speak. If you pronounced the letter "β" as "bayda" no Greek person will understand you, since we pronounce it "vita". But even for Koine Greek, this video is not accurate. The accent is very Americanized. The pronunciation of letters are also slightly off. For example, "β" in Modern Greek is "v", and in Classical Greek it was "b". So in Koine Greek, even by the time of Alexander the Great, it would have been something in between. The pronunciation used in this video is wrong for any variety of Greek ever.
U have to understand that modern greek has not changed much since koine greek. The massive difference is betweeen classic greek and koine greek, the language changed from Plato to Alexander in a much more dramatic fashion than it changed from Alexander to the modern era. The average greek understands at least 70% of the mass in the church, even if they are undecuated and were never taught ancient greek. And pronunciation is decided by the people that convey the language to the modern era, not by scholars. Greek language is not latin. It's not a dead language so it is unlikely that the pronunciation has changed very much or that it is possible that any scholar has better understanding of pronunciation than the people who actually speak it.
@@LNE78poi hey thanks for your insightful comment, I am learning Koine Greek and I cant find a good source to find out if I'd be able to read Plato, or if his variation of Greek is ancient Greek more distant from Koine, I haven't found a good source to find this out, thanks!
@@andreasm5770 thanks a lot for your thoughts on this, I've hear a lot of people online saying the alphabet in an "English" sounding version and claiming its Koine and justifying that that's why it doesn't sound like modern Greek, it is a bit of a lazy excuse to not put effort in learning things the right way. I mean, I still think it's amazing they are learning Greek, but they probably shouldn't teach it, since it makes it difficult for someone who wants to learn the correct pronunciation, do you find other aspects of this video (apart from pronunciation) accurate and useful, to learn Koine? Thanks, Ps: did you make a video on your channel? Id love to see that -Santi
Alpha sounds like "apple" or "at", not "father". I could get into a discussion of IPA, and show you which symbol represents them both. But, essentially the word "awe" is often the word used to explain the sound of the symbol which describes "father", and "apple" is often the word used to explain the sound of the symbol which describes "alpha".Edit: Oh good, I'm glad you address the vowel issue =)
In Modern Greek, the pronunciation is different from the ones in the video η, ι, υ all make the ι sound β makes the v sound γ makes a *y*es sound δ makes a *th*at sound
How are these pronounced in greek? Some of these have a vowel shift from British English, which was something striking when I encountered the odd US accented speaker at university (maths). I think all of these actually get used in maths, Σ is for sum, σ is standard deviation, λ I'd definitely met before I met λ calculus, Δ is used for change, δ is the dirac delta function. I could go on, I'd even recommend that maths students heading to university learn the greek alphabet, you don't want to be wasting time trying to work out how to write ξ mid lecture and then have forgotten how to read it before you've read your notes!
I'm just curious... is there really much of a difference between ancient Greek and "biblical Greek". I am aware of how many (and which) centuries are concerned in this question, but languages change at different rates at different times, so true is a genuine question. I do see that your choice of orthography suggests an orientation towards the writing scribes would use ...
There was some differents but not so huge .. Is amazing if you think how many millions years passed.. Even modern greek have the same meaning with words of 3000 BC in Lynear b Alphabet
I have asked this elsewhere and have not had a response- Why do we learn and use minscules (and breath marks) when they were not part of the Koine Greek until three hundred years after the NT was written? I am horrible at languages and I feel like I am wasting my time learning stuff that is not part of the original manuscripts.
You say “father” completely different to me. And also pretty much all the other sounds. It would be much more useful to have the IPA of the pronunciation. I mean, you pronounce “eta” as “Ada”, as in “Ada Lovelace”. Surely that’s much more American than Greek?
6:45 *I don’t know why mathematicians call it a pie, but it’s pee* All jokes aside thank you for your wonderful intro to Greek, I’m excited to learn koine !
Well, it does depend on language. My first language is portuguese, and we call it pee instead of pie. But I do get your point (like how he calls beta beeta instead of beh-ta)
It's much better to learn the modern Greek pronunciation In order to see the continuation of the language and also to be able to practice your Greek Koine as the language of the Bible and at same time use it to communicate with a Greek !! For Example if you say Koine (ko-e- ne) to a Greek using the ERASMIAN way he will not get it !! istead if you say Kee-nee he will get it immediately !!
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You are using the 16th century Erasmian pronunciation. This is not Epic, Classical, Biblical Greek, Byzantine Greek, or Neo Hellenic Greek pronunciation. The differences between Erasmian and Historical Greek Pronunciation, HGP is more than a few vowels. Erasmian pronunciation is mainly coming from seminaries.
Greek here. There is NO way that γ sounded like g or β sounded like b or even δ sounded like d. The fact that many countries of the north of Europe could not pronnounce those three does not mean that they sounded like in English. β/Β sounds like the english letter V γ/Γ sounds like the y in the word yellow δ/Δ sounds like th in the word mother I am sure there are more mistakes.
But still native Greek speakers won't agree this to be the Koine Greek (Classic Greek) alphabet pronunciation, instead they would say it as Erasmian pronunciation and it's the misconception of saying it as ancient Greek pronunciation. Don't they?
Biblical Greek was never pronounced this way, its pronounciation was like the Modern Greek. The liturgy in the Greek Orthodox Churches, which use biblical koine Greek, is not pronounced the way he's pronounciating it here.
@@chm5750 Yes! Biblical Greek was not pronounced identically to modern Greek, but definitely closer to modern Greek than Classical Greek and especially closer to modern Greek than this ridiculous fake americanized pronunciation.
@@andreasm5770Just to clarify, I said that Biblical (Koine) Greek is pronounced like Modern Greek, not like the pronounciation that he gives here. His pronounciation, I think is from the structured English pronounciation of Greek words, or Greek influenced Englush words. For example, the Γ γ (gamma) is pronounced as a "G g," instead of the soft correct "ye", therefore, gero instead of the correct yero. The same for Δ δ, the "D d" sound is used instead of the correct "th" sound like in "thine". Β β (beta) the correct pronounciation is Veeta, with the long sounding e, not beta. Being a Greek speaker I agree with you, trying to speak Greek with his English standard pronounciation, whether it's Biblical or Modern Greek, sounds horrendous.
This is easy for someone who has learnt science, maths in Senior High School. 😂😂 Many of The symbols in science and Maths are these Greek letters. So I knew the pronunciation of Almost All of them.
It is better to learn the modern Greek diction, while also knowing the Erasmian approach since it is too often used in transliterations in North American English language books. Mounce diction following Erasmus' approach gets more problematic with his North American English accent.
You're not being helpful for someone new to Greek when you often pronounce the names of some of the Greek letters like someone who doesn't know Greek! For example, you often pronounced γάμμα as if it were using the English alphabet "A" (all by itself; or the "a" in the name "Alan") instead of like the "a" in "father" as you had already covered when discussing it. That's likely to be very confusing to anyone trying to actually learn how to say the letters in a Greek word for the very first time. You must be CONSISTENT throughout. You should be careful to always pronounce the Greek α (ἄλφα) like the a in father; not like some college frat boy in a "Greek house" would, or an English science class, etc.
1. He often defines grammatical terms following his theological presuppositions. 2. Teaches as if the students will be writing books in common ancient Greek. Theological presuppositions have no place in grammar. While it is helpful to use some of the methodology of modern language studies, the fact is we are learning common ancient Greek just to read and translate (mainly to read). Needs to clarify and correct the concept of deponent verb. Must avoid linguistic theories that belong to a 3rd or 4th year.
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American English really gets in the way of learning the actual sounds of the Greek alphabet. Your American accent is just too strong and the sounds are not 100% correct.
First, never hint that "greek is following english" (you seem to believe it on certain levels although you denied it). English alphabets are derived from Latin alphabets (not entirely, but for the most part), and Latin alphabets are derived from the Greek alphabet (not entirely, but for the most part)... Thus greek is not following english, it's more like english is following greek since greek is english's ancient form (sort of). SECONDLY, to clarify to non-greek speakers (or greek idiots), you pronounced all the greek alphabets the way an english-speaker would pronounce them. They don't sound the way you pronounced them in greek (be it modern greek or biblical/koine greek). For those interested in learning REAL biblical greek, this video is not a great one. Find something else!
So much efford from you. But. This is not Greek. It is an Anglianized disability of truly pronounce the sounds of the Greeks. As I am a Greek I see all ò ó ô õ ö ø ő of European Languages as simple O (omikron) and of cource I am wrong and Swedish people can laught at me if I pronounce their ø as o. The same I laught at you when you say Delta instead of Δelta or even more UPSilon instead of Ypsilon. Don't you feel disappointed when a Greek person like me hits the dislike button after all the effort you made ?
That was rude. Since you are Greek, I won't make fun of the way you butchered the English language in your post. You have to understand, though, that Dr. Mounce is teaching people to read Koine Greek, Biblical Greek, not modern Greek. For modern Greek, there's always Rosetta Stone software. I don't know how much Greek has changed over the past two-thousand years, but surely it has changed somewhat. English has changed drastically over only a few centuries. Surely Greek hasn't been stagnant for two-thousand years, or has it? Would the Apostle Paul understand your speech? Would Thucydides? Would Homer?
@@brianmoore581 The way I butchered English after I study them from the age of 8 till the age of 14 and now I am 50, apparently it was not enough as you understood everything I said. Of course Greek has changed. No reason to argue on that. My objection is on an other level. 1st. I don't see any scholar giving lessons about Richard the Lionheart English, about Charlemagne French, about Ziegfrid's German, Peter's the Great Russian, or Colombus Spanish. Every English French German Spanish or Russian reads the ancient texts of their language with their modern pronunciation. And I stand here to assure you that you can perfectly read old Greek with 2019 pronunciation. 2nd. All the so called Erasmian pronunciations has a deep accent of the native language of the speaker himself. I have heard French-Greek English-Greek and German-Greek. Do they try to sound funny or ridicule our language ? I don't know. 3rd. Finally I really don't understand the reason for this effort. All these people have spend a good amount of their time driven by only love towards Greek language and they ended their huge effort not to be appreciated by the native Greeks themselves. Oh wait ! Maybe here is the hidden truth. Maybe they idealize the old Greeks so much, that they cannot accept modern Greeks are same people. After all is a blasphemy to say that Alexander ate mouzaka, Socrates took the poison with some ouzo, or Pericles ate pitta and souvlaki downtown Athens every night. Scholars are inginius persons. They dont teach anchient pronuntiations of other languages with such zeal, but Greek. And there must be a reason behind it. ΧΟΟΥΠ ΑΪ ΣΛΩΤΕΡ ΙΝΓΚΛΙΣ ΛΕΣΣ ΔΙΣ ΤΑΪΜ !
@@iggo45 the reason behind people's interest in Koine Greek is very simple: that happens to be the language the New Testament was written in. If it had been written in some other language they would be studying that. Lots of people also study ancient Hebrew, which is apparently different from modern Hebrew. I think you take yourself and your language too seriously. No one is ridiculing the Greek language. If the guy has an accent, so what? It doesn't offend me when foreigners try to speak English. I would take it as a compliment to my culture that they would care enough to try. There really is no one way to speak English, as there are many accents even among native speakers within the language. When a foreigner tries to learn your language, it shows that they see something of value in your culture. Take it as a compliment. And relax. It's not an insult to your present that people are interested in your past. By the way, some people do learn to speak Shakespearean English properly, or even older English, like that of Chaucer, or even Beowulf. People still study all sorts of things. I'm glad someone is doing that. I can only imagine that there are French and German scholars doing similar work in their own languages. I know a little French, a very little, and I am learning Tagalog. I know I butcher those languages far more than you do English. I don't know any Greek. I do have a great respect for the ancient Greeks, their art, their philosophy, their science, their history. Not only the Greeks, but I also am interested in the Romans. Really history in general is a subject of interest for me. I also happen to be a Christian who wants to know as much as possible about the way the Bible is translated from the original languages into English. Dr. Mounce is an expert in that field. He also seems like a really nice guy. I just don't like to see someone being rude to nice people.
You're being ignorant. He explained that it is not modern Greek pronunciation. He's teaching Koine. I seriously doubt you speak Koine yourself- unless you're planning on becoming a priest.
@@brianmoore581 Lets make it shorter this time. I invite you personally to come and visit us. I shall guide you to the first Church. Any Greek Church. In any city. There you will have the unique oportunity to listen the Liturgy in Κοινή Ελληνική. The original. The prototype. The authentic Gospel. 100% old, 100% ancient, 100% as it was written back in Antiquity. The Hierarchy haven't change anything, as it is their strong believe that if they do, the Gospels will be contaminated. They don't tolerate even to transcribe them in Modern Greek. Now after the Liturgy ends we shall go out and you will tell me if you heard any similarity from the pronunciation of the Priest and the so-called Erasmian artificial pronunciation. In case they sound the same, you will eat all the musaka the gyro the tzatziki the baklava you can take on my account ! If they don't I shall drive you, back to the Airport at once ! Deal ?
you are pronouncing the Greek alphabet with American sounds. Greeks do not pronounce the sounds the same as you are teaching. In essence you are teaching people how to pronounce Greek words with American sounds. This is mostly wrong and if you used the sounds being taught in this video in Greece, we would not understand you.
Thanks so much!!! 59 year old Gramma learning Biblical Greek (on my own for the first time, not through a school). So, I'm very grateful for this and other videos!
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62 and would like to learn Biblical Koine Greek, it would be awesome to be able to read the Textus Receptus!
You all are an inspiration. I'm only 23 but I love your humility in continuing to learn
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30 here by the Grace of Christ I would love to read the new testament in Greek thanks for the inspiration God bless
Full alphabet reading: 10:17
7 vowels reading: 11:28
Thank you very much! I'm 16 years old and have a keen interest in Greek mythology and history. Your assistance is greatly appreciated and will certainly aid me in fulfilling my dream of reading the myths in their original classical Greek language.
Thank you, it was as advertised. I recited from memory within 12 mins. Excellent!
To anyone interested out there .
The video is supposed to be about the Biblical Greek , so basically modern Greek. Basically after the Koine Greek there weren't many alterations concerning the pronantiation and the vocabulary . Most of the changes after that period were grammatically based .
Unfortunately as a native Greek speaker i found quite a few errors with the pronantiation provided .
Have a look around in the web to get a wider perspective about how the letters are pronounced .
Happy learning
Right, I am a mathematician and have been pronouncing the letters wrong, just like the guy in this video. I have recently tried to learn how they are really pronounced and there are quite a few videos here on RUclips that do that.
@@tannhaeuserx464 Any recommendations for videos?
Thanks alot, capitals start at 11:39
Thank you. I am taking a physics class and my professor keeps giving us new Greek letters so I figured I would just get the whole alphabet memorized so I can have one less thing to be confused about.
Excellent video! Very well explained and shown, I love how repetition was built in, two thumbs up, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, God Bless You Good Sir, God Bless All ❤️
Its' my first time learning biblical Greek and and this has been very helpful. The Lord bless you
From Start 10:17
From Mid 10:27
Row 1 10:17
Row 2 10:22
Row 3 10:25
Row 4 10:30
Row 5 10:37
Thanks for this teaching Greek. It helps to revive my Greek. Teach some Greek words also. Wonderful online service. Rev. JB.
Thanks for the great teaching! You make it so easy to learn.👍
Thanks very much. You are such a blessing, good Teacher.
Thank you. Beautifully done and very helpful!
An interesting reach out to teaching Greek languag
Excellent. Thanks!
Ok, first, as he acknowledges this is Erasmian pronunciation which was the work of a Dutch scholar, therefore this is not an anglicized pronunciation. The letters used in transliteration are not English letters, they are Latin letters. Therefore, if anything, it is a latinized pronunciation. However, if you read the scholarship of say Constantine Campbell, you'll see that the archaeological evidence of spelling mistakes in inscriptions suggests that Erasmian pronunciation was true for a certain dialect in the classical period but that Koine Greek bore a greater resemblance to Modern Greek pronunciation. However, given that for a long time classical Greek was taught in schools and universities with Koine Greek not being taught as a separate subject it is perfectly understandable that it is the pronunciation that dominates the theological guild.
*YAWN*
I'm not sure I agree with your transliteration comment.
BILL MOUNCE authored two of my favorite Greek teaching books, Basic Greek Grammar and Greek Morphology .
Best explanation
I can Congratulate you on bringing about The GREEK ALPHABET, HOWEVER THE PRONOUNCING IS A LITTLE OUT, but I take off my hat for Bringing about The Greek Alphabet into the public;
Thank you Brother. I'm keen to learn the Greek alphabet
Excellent, Thanks for sharing
The actual Greek pronunciation of these letters is very different from the English versions that you give here.
Modern Greek pronunciation is different from Biblical Greek.
They know. The point is to memorize the letters so you can read them. If he does the correct Greek pronunciation it will cause morons like me to be confused about what letter he is referring to.
I am trying to read a dead language not travel to Greece 😉
@@nursingninja Learning something wrong because it is easier ? What's the point in that ?
@@sornok3534 dead language friend. Nobody knows how koine Greek was pronounced.
Erasmian is known to not be the authentic pronunciation of Koine Greek. Also, you're showing only the "small" letters. These letters didn't exist until the middle ages. The early Church used only "capital" letters (that is, what we refer to as "capital letters" now). Other than that, thank you for your video.
you should have watched until the end...
@@justinbayola Thanks, I see he mentions capitals at the end.
This was so helpful thank you!
From the beginning to the end, the whole video is a hybris to the Hellenic language.Friendly greetings from the evershine Hellas (Greece to ya all) and Hellenic language the MOTHER OF ALL LANGUAGES....and that's an undeniable fact.
Έχεις δίκαιο Νικόλαε.
This is a low standard lecture.
Terrible pronunciation.
Sorry professor.
So good, interesting
very impressed
Beta is not a B sound. The sound is V. VITA.
Gamma is not a G sound. The closest sound in English is Y. Let's take the word agitate and change it to ayitate.
That is the sound, but without the i.
Delta is not a D sound. The sound is THE-LTA. THE without the E.
Biblical, as you call it, Greek alphabet is a distortion of the symbols which should only be written in capital.
The symbols are actually 27. F is one not used anymore. But it is actually a double gamma. F or ΓΓ has the g sound as in an-g-ry.
All 27 letters are symbols. They are not arbitrary. Same with numbers. Both fall within the Greek Worldview or Cosmotheasis, the map of Creation.
He's using the erasmian pronunciation, as he mentioned in the video.
If the "a" in Alpha is supposed to sound like the "a" in father, should it not be pronounced "All phah" instead of "ALfuh"? Thanks.
Thank you bishop.. Jordan
Is this the same type of Greek used in the Septuagint ?
Yes it is. The biblical greek is actually named as koine greek dialect. And it's the same in Septuagint.
Sort of . . .
So, in other words it is Hebraic Greek.
a good lesson; thanks
Hello, thanks for that, however I am Greek and can confirm the pronunciation of the letters is not correct. I’ll see if I can make a video to demonstrate the sounds. Thanks
This is Koine Greek which makes the pronunciation different than what you as a Greek person would speak.
@@americandowninbrazil
True, Koine Greek pronunciation was different than Modern Greek, but no one really knows how it was pronounced exactly, that's why even when we are teaching an older version of Greek, in Greece we use Modern Greek pronunciation, since this is how we know to speak.
If you pronounced the letter "β" as "bayda" no Greek person will understand you, since we pronounce it "vita".
But even for Koine Greek, this video is not accurate. The accent is very Americanized. The pronunciation of letters are also slightly off.
For example, "β" in Modern Greek is "v", and in Classical Greek it was "b". So in Koine Greek, even by the time of Alexander the Great, it would have been something in between.
The pronunciation used in this video is wrong for any variety of Greek ever.
U have to understand that modern greek has not changed much since koine greek. The massive difference is betweeen classic greek and koine greek, the language changed from Plato to Alexander in a much more dramatic fashion than it changed from Alexander to the modern era. The average greek understands at least 70% of the mass in the church, even if they are undecuated and were never taught ancient greek. And pronunciation is decided by the people that convey the language to the modern era, not by scholars. Greek language is not latin. It's not a dead language so it is unlikely that the pronunciation has changed very much or that it is possible that any scholar has better understanding of pronunciation than the people who actually speak it.
@@LNE78poi hey thanks for your insightful comment, I am learning Koine Greek and I cant find a good source to find out if I'd be able to read Plato, or if his variation of Greek is ancient Greek more distant from Koine, I haven't found a good source to find this out, thanks!
@@andreasm5770 thanks a lot for your thoughts on this, I've hear a lot of people online saying the alphabet in an "English" sounding version and claiming its Koine and justifying that that's why it doesn't sound like modern Greek, it is a bit of a lazy excuse to not put effort in learning things the right way. I mean, I still think it's amazing they are learning Greek, but they probably shouldn't teach it, since it makes it difficult for someone who wants to learn the correct pronunciation, do you find other aspects of this video (apart from pronunciation) accurate and useful, to learn Koine? Thanks,
Ps: did you make a video on your channel? Id love to see that
-Santi
7:07 wut.
Greeks most certainly use the rolled r, like in Spanish.
very good.
Thank you! 😊
Alpha sounds like "apple" or "at", not "father". I could get into a discussion of IPA, and show you which symbol represents them both. But, essentially the word "awe" is often the word used to explain the sound of the symbol which describes "father", and "apple" is often the word used to explain the sound of the symbol which describes "alpha".Edit: Oh good, I'm glad you address the vowel issue =)
We don’t have a letter for the “ph” sound?
How about “f”?
Interesting
very helpful, thank you~
Excellent! Although I think the Greek alphabet is pronounced mostly as Spanish. I always get Spaniard and Greek tourists confused
I like how the letters are grouped. Even though I don't know Greek I can tell the pronunciation is not acurate.
In Modern Greek, the pronunciation is different from the ones in the video
η, ι, υ all make the ι sound
β makes the v sound
γ makes a *y*es sound
δ makes a *th*at sound
@10:53 Reciting alphabet, no visual
Great.
Practicing 10:17 😁
B of beta is a V sound
How are these pronounced in greek? Some of these have a vowel shift from British English, which was something striking when I encountered the odd US accented speaker at university (maths).
I think all of these actually get used in maths, Σ is for sum, σ is standard deviation, λ I'd definitely met before I met λ calculus, Δ is used for change, δ is the dirac delta function. I could go on, I'd even recommend that maths students heading to university learn the greek alphabet, you don't want to be wasting time trying to work out how to write ξ mid lecture and then have forgotten how to read it before you've read your notes!
Good
I'm just curious... is there really much of a difference between ancient Greek and "biblical Greek". I am aware of how many (and which) centuries are concerned in this question, but languages change at different rates at different times, so true is a genuine question.
I do see that your choice of orthography suggests an orientation towards the writing scribes would use ...
There was some differents but not so huge .. Is amazing if you think how many millions years passed.. Even modern greek have the same meaning with words of 3000 BC in Lynear b Alphabet
10:16 final review
I have asked this elsewhere and have not had a response- Why do we learn and use minscules (and breath marks) when they were not part of the Koine Greek until three hundred years after the NT was written? I am horrible at languages and I feel like I am wasting my time learning stuff that is not part of the original manuscripts.
Thank you
You say “father” completely different to me. And also pretty much all the other sounds.
It would be much more useful to have the IPA of the pronunciation.
I mean, you pronounce “eta” as “Ada”, as in “Ada Lovelace”.
Surely that’s much more American than Greek?
6:45
*I don’t know why mathematicians call it a pie, but it’s pee*
All jokes aside thank you for your wonderful intro to Greek, I’m excited to learn koine !
Well, it does depend on language. My first language is portuguese, and we call it pee instead of pie. But I do get your point (like how he calls beta beeta instead of beh-ta)
It's much better to learn the modern Greek pronunciation In order to see the continuation of the language and also to be able to practice your Greek Koine as the language of the Bible and at same time use it to communicate with a Greek !! For Example if you say Koine (ko-e- ne) to a Greek using the ERASMIAN way he will not get it !! istead if you say Kee-nee he will get it immediately !!
May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and us all. Thank you for sharing this.
David-Victor Tăutu ♥️♥️
Your Lord, maybe - not everyone is superstitious...
@@deborahkeesee7412 Deborah, people who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are not "superstitious." There are good, logical reasons to believe. Those who reject Christ will, sadly, stand before Him one day in judgment. This will happen whether you believe now or not. I hope and pray you see the light before it is forever too late for you. And if you are one of those people who think this amazing universe and world we live in accidentally evolved from chaos and nothingness, well, I feel sorry for you. You are blinded.
Please I need help in terms of reading and the meaning of the forms of the word Nazarene in bible anyone who can help..?
How?
I can’t decide if going with this pronunciation or modern. Help!
Alexander Albano fabricated sham? 😤
@@christisking4581 yup, greek language, by Americans, for Americans.. not anywhere close to modern pronunciation
I believe this is for the biblical Greek only.
do not pronounce how this 100 year old idiot is saying it !!!
Κώστας Παπαδόπουλος but this is koine greek? It’s for New Testament studies, it is not meant for interacting with modern greeks.
Who's the speaker?
Bill Mounce
3:28 η
You are using the 16th century Erasmian pronunciation. This is not Epic, Classical, Biblical Greek, Byzantine Greek, or Neo Hellenic Greek pronunciation.
The differences between Erasmian and Historical Greek Pronunciation, HGP is more than a few vowels. Erasmian pronunciation is mainly coming from seminaries.
X is like the H/X in Somali...I think. That's fun lol I've spent so much time trying to pronounce my Somali friends names
"Hex," ?
This is NOT biblical pronunciation but rather 100% modern one. Please update the video.
10:17
I have never learned anything about that before
1st time (3/22/20) : Done
Greek here. There is NO way that γ sounded like g or β sounded like b or even δ sounded like d. The fact that many countries of the north of Europe could not pronnounce those three does not mean that they sounded like in English.
β/Β sounds like the english letter V
γ/Γ sounds like the y in the word yellow
δ/Δ sounds like th in the word mother
I am sure there are more mistakes.
But still native Greek speakers won't agree this to be the Koine Greek (Classic Greek) alphabet pronunciation, instead they would say it as Erasmian pronunciation and it's the misconception of saying it as ancient Greek pronunciation. Don't they?
Every Koine Greek speaker I have heard trilled the letter ρ
Just watched a greekpod 101 video with a native speaker - she trilled the letter p as well - and I trust that the native knows her own language! 🤣🤣🤣
"ρ" is most definitely trilled in Greek. Definitely not like the English (especially American English) "r".
Biblical Greek was never pronounced this way, its pronounciation was like the Modern Greek. The liturgy in the Greek Orthodox Churches, which use biblical koine Greek, is not pronounced the way he's pronounciating it here.
@@chm5750 Yes! Biblical Greek was not pronounced identically to modern Greek, but definitely closer to modern Greek than Classical Greek and especially closer to modern Greek than this ridiculous fake americanized pronunciation.
@@andreasm5770Just to clarify, I said that Biblical (Koine) Greek is pronounced like Modern Greek, not like the pronounciation that he gives here.
His pronounciation, I think is from the structured English pronounciation of Greek words, or Greek influenced Englush words. For example, the Γ γ (gamma) is pronounced as a "G g," instead of the soft correct "ye", therefore, gero instead of the correct yero. The same for Δ δ, the "D d" sound is used instead of the correct "th" sound like in "thine". Β β (beta) the correct pronounciation is Veeta, with the long sounding e, not beta.
Being a Greek speaker I agree with you, trying to speak Greek with his English standard pronounciation, whether it's Biblical or Modern Greek, sounds horrendous.
@@chm5750
Yeah I agree with you. I'm Greek too 🇬🇷🇬🇷😂😂
This is easy for someone who has learnt science, maths in Senior High School. 😂😂
Many of The symbols in science and Maths are these Greek letters.
So I knew the pronunciation of Almost All of them.
Alleyluya Praise to Jesus Amen 🙏 I want to learn greek because I want to Read Greek Bible 🙏 Alleyluya Amen 🙏
Thanks
This is not really how the Greeks say it. It is alpha, veeta and etc.
0:12 ...English is following Greek.... :) :) there was not English when Greek was... :) :)
It is better to learn the modern Greek diction, while also knowing the Erasmian approach since it is too often used in transliterations in North American English language books.
Mounce diction following Erasmus' approach gets more problematic with his North American English accent.
You're not being helpful for someone new to Greek when you often pronounce the names of some of the Greek letters like someone who doesn't know Greek! For example, you often pronounced γάμμα as if it were using the English alphabet "A" (all by itself; or the "a" in the name "Alan") instead of like the "a" in "father" as you had already covered when discussing it. That's likely to be very confusing to anyone trying to actually learn how to say the letters in a Greek word for the very first time. You must be CONSISTENT throughout. You should be careful to always pronounce the Greek α (ἄλφα) like the a in father; not like some college frat boy in a "Greek house" would, or an English science class, etc.
This is not Greek!! It is the English way. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry professor.
Below standard lecture.
It's not a lecture.
Epsolone/////
1. He often defines grammatical terms following his theological presuppositions.
2. Teaches as if the students will be writing books in common ancient Greek.
Theological presuppositions have no place in grammar. While it is helpful to use some of the methodology of modern language studies, the fact is we are learning common ancient Greek just to read and translate (mainly to read).
Needs to clarify and correct the concept of deponent verb.
Must avoid linguistic theories that belong to a 3rd or 4th year.
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American English really gets in the way of learning the actual sounds of the Greek alphabet. Your American accent is just too strong and the sounds are not 100% correct.
Yo gamma gamma
This is math class pronunciation.
Yep, very familiar for me as an engineer
First, never hint that "greek is following english" (you seem to believe it on certain levels although you denied it). English alphabets are derived from Latin alphabets (not entirely, but for the most part), and Latin alphabets are derived from the Greek alphabet (not entirely, but for the most part)... Thus greek is not following english, it's more like english is following greek since greek is english's ancient form (sort of).
SECONDLY, to clarify to non-greek speakers (or greek idiots), you pronounced all the greek alphabets the way an english-speaker would pronounce them. They don't sound the way you pronounced them in greek (be it modern greek or biblical/koine greek). For those interested in learning REAL biblical greek, this video is not a great one. Find something else!
Something else like what?
Let's learn greek. Except only the greek used by seminary americans, for seminary americans 😅😅😅
Greek alphabet of the bible would be a more valid and clear title.
greek is following the enlish alphabet? are you sick? beta is pronounced vita and gamma is pronounced jamma? wtf is this?
HOLA//// ALPHA///BETA///GAMMA////ALPHA GAMMA GAMMA////DELTA////E as in met/////
So much efford from you. But. This is not Greek. It is an Anglianized disability of truly pronounce the sounds of the Greeks. As I am a Greek I see all ò ó ô õ ö ø ő of European Languages as simple O (omikron) and of cource I am wrong and Swedish people can laught at me if I pronounce their ø as o. The same I laught at you when you say Delta instead of Δelta or even more UPSilon instead of Ypsilon.
Don't you feel disappointed when a Greek person like me hits the dislike button after all the effort you made ?
That was rude. Since you are Greek, I won't make fun of the way you butchered the English language in your post. You have to understand, though, that Dr. Mounce is teaching people to read Koine Greek, Biblical Greek, not modern Greek. For modern Greek, there's always Rosetta Stone software. I don't know how much Greek has changed over the past two-thousand years, but surely it has changed somewhat. English has changed drastically over only a few centuries. Surely Greek hasn't been stagnant for two-thousand years, or has it? Would the Apostle Paul understand your speech? Would Thucydides? Would Homer?
@@brianmoore581 The way I butchered English after I study them from the age of 8 till the age of 14 and now I am 50, apparently it was not enough as you understood everything I said.
Of course Greek has changed. No reason to argue on that. My objection is on an other level.
1st. I don't see any scholar giving lessons about Richard the Lionheart English, about Charlemagne French, about Ziegfrid's German, Peter's the Great Russian, or Colombus Spanish. Every English French German Spanish or Russian reads the ancient texts of their language with their modern pronunciation. And I stand here to assure you that you can perfectly read old Greek with 2019 pronunciation.
2nd. All the so called Erasmian pronunciations has a deep accent of the native language of the speaker himself. I have heard French-Greek English-Greek and German-Greek. Do they try to sound funny or ridicule our language ? I don't know.
3rd. Finally I really don't understand the reason for this effort. All these people have spend a good amount of their time driven by only love towards Greek language and they ended their huge effort not to be appreciated by the native Greeks themselves. Oh wait ! Maybe here is the hidden truth. Maybe they idealize the old Greeks so much, that they cannot accept modern Greeks are same people. After all is a blasphemy to say that Alexander ate mouzaka, Socrates took the poison with some ouzo, or Pericles ate pitta and souvlaki downtown Athens every night.
Scholars are inginius persons. They dont teach anchient pronuntiations of other languages with such zeal, but Greek. And there must be a reason behind it.
ΧΟΟΥΠ ΑΪ ΣΛΩΤΕΡ ΙΝΓΚΛΙΣ ΛΕΣΣ ΔΙΣ ΤΑΪΜ !
@@iggo45 the reason behind people's interest in Koine Greek is very simple: that happens to be the language the New Testament was written in. If it had been written in some other language they would be studying that. Lots of people also study ancient Hebrew, which is apparently different from modern Hebrew.
I think you take yourself and your language too seriously. No one is ridiculing the Greek language. If the guy has an accent, so what? It doesn't offend me when foreigners try to speak English. I would take it as a compliment to my culture that they would care enough to try. There really is no one way to speak English, as there are many accents even among native speakers within the language. When a foreigner tries to learn your language, it shows that they see something of value in your culture. Take it as a compliment. And relax. It's not an insult to your present that people are interested in your past.
By the way, some people do learn to speak Shakespearean English properly, or even older English, like that of Chaucer, or even Beowulf. People still study all sorts of things. I'm glad someone is doing that. I can only imagine that there are French and German scholars doing similar work in their own languages.
I know a little French, a very little, and I am learning Tagalog. I know I butcher those languages far more than you do English. I don't know any Greek. I do have a great respect for the ancient Greeks, their art, their philosophy, their science, their history. Not only the Greeks, but I also am interested in the Romans. Really history in general is a subject of interest for me. I also happen to be a Christian who wants to know as much as possible about the way the Bible is translated from the original languages into English. Dr. Mounce is an expert in that field. He also seems like a really nice guy. I just don't like to see someone being rude to nice people.
You're being ignorant. He explained that it is not modern Greek pronunciation. He's teaching Koine. I seriously doubt you speak Koine yourself- unless you're planning on becoming a priest.
@@brianmoore581 Lets make it shorter this time.
I invite you personally to come and visit us.
I shall guide you to the first Church. Any Greek Church. In any city.
There you will have the unique oportunity to listen the Liturgy in Κοινή Ελληνική. The original. The prototype. The authentic Gospel. 100% old, 100% ancient, 100% as it was written back in Antiquity.
The Hierarchy haven't change anything, as it is their strong believe that if they do, the Gospels will be contaminated. They don't tolerate even to transcribe them in Modern Greek.
Now after the Liturgy ends we shall go out and you will tell me if you heard any similarity from the pronunciation of the Priest and the so-called Erasmian artificial pronunciation.
In case they sound the same, you will eat all the musaka the gyro the tzatziki the baklava you can take on my account !
If they don't I shall drive you, back to the Airport at once !
Deal ?
Learn hebrew before read any others tell who is who
Pronounce YHWH
you are pronouncing the Greek alphabet with American sounds. Greeks do not pronounce the sounds the same as you are teaching. In essence you are teaching people how to pronounce Greek words with American sounds. This is mostly wrong and if you used the sounds being taught in this video in Greece, we would not understand you.
Erasmian pronunciation.
Thanks