In 4x07 Matsson literally says: "let the waves float you away" and Kendall responds "I am the wave". But he was wrong. In the end he is left staring at the strong waves of the sea, being forcefully pulled away from his dream.
Or…Kendall was right. He was the wave. The wave constantly ebbs and flows. It reaches the shore, the height of its goal that it always seeks to crash down upon and claim as its own, (Kendall did this quite often). Yet it does so, only to retreat. No matter how strong it appeared just moments ago - it now looks weak. Up and back, push and pull, strong and weak - and while it can see its destination, (that elusive shore), touch it, taste it - it will never ever land there, take ownership of it, and call it its own. Never.
The unfortunate part of this ending is earlier in the seasons. He had a cardiac event, and instead of facing his mortality, he decided to become more entrenched and fight his offsprings for control of the company and then in this season he just dies out of nowhere, and everything is in disarray. He never made any arrangements for a successor, his own arrogance led to the failure of his kids and his company after his death
Kendall is going to relapse, shiv is stuck in the loveless marriage and probably is going to end up like her mother, Roman is going to do whatever he wants like before. They not serious people they was fooling themselves from the gate they nothing more than nepotism babies that were born in extreme wealth.
Shiv wasn't too smart for the role. Her and tom wete both reasonably smart. She was just too high maintenance, too rich and too privileged. Tom doesn't have the Roy name, doesn't have the billion-dollar fortune, so he is still much more obviously subservient to shareholders and principal owners. Shiv would have inevitably had a disagreement w matson causing her to get fired or to quit
3:57 In Connors case it was less him demanding something he didn’t deserve but when her said “I am the eldest son” he was demanding something he *did* deserve which was consideration and respect from his siblings. In that conversation Kendall was moaning about how Logan’s treatment of him hurt because “he was the eldest” but he *wasn’t the eldest* Connor was and yet he didn’t get to throw a pity party because he wasn’t being given the keys to the kingdom. As he said he didn’t see his father for three years at one point, he was at his siblings mothers wedding and had just got engaged to Willa and not one of his siblings had said as much as a congratulations.
Well in all honesty, they probably ignored the engagement bc he always does wild random stuff (like the presidential run) and she’s a hooker so… plus he was the outside from the three siblings who were always grouped up and competing. It’s sad he ended up still mixing business and family like his dad did, he’s married to a woman who wants nothing to do with him and wants him to be on the other side of the world 😂 literally It’s sad but at least he’s ignorantly blissful about it all I guess?
I loved that the show set up Conner as the worst-case scenario for rhe Roy children. They were never going to be poor, but they could become out-of-touch trust fund babies that were tolerated only for their money (Conner's campaign, his play, and even his wife existing solely because he could access Roy money). I think that's why the pitch from Peter was so important. It was the three kids becoming Conner; just bags of money wanting to seem important.
At 15:00 Ken reopened Roman's scar because Roman indirectly asked him to. He was at the verge of another breakdown explaining how it would be better for the optics if his injury didn't look so good (healed) as it did. That way people would "understand" why it had to be Ken stepping up as CEO and not him. I think that scene could show how toxic the siblings are in general and how selfish Kendall could be. He is willing to physically hurt and make Roman bleed just to indulge his delusion and ultimately stop him from leaving before the voting.
That's interesting, I felt it was basically a certainty that somehow Kendall's plan would go to s*** and that the kids would not remain united. Going into the boardroom I felt pretty confident something would blow it up. And at that point Tom was the only other option.
Kept hearing how smart Shiv was. I never saw that. She was portrayed as a stereotypical narcissitic female character. She was basicly weak, insecure and manipulative. She used manipulation rather than genuine personal power to get her way. Shiv is a scorpion. It was a perfect analogy.
I agree with this. I can’t stand when people try and say “oh she was sht on bc she was the female” but no… she was just as bad as everyone else. She should have stayed in politics and helped Connor get the presidency 😂 fr
After thinking about it, Tom made sense. He was the most fully formed character, was genuinely interested in other members of the company, had the most grounded set of ethics and morals and was hurt by Shiv continually cheating on him. He actually discovered that Greg was struggling not having anywhere to live and was drowning in debt and reached out to help. At the end, Logan kept relying more and more on Tom even feeling comfortable having him take him to the bathroom and he was the one with him on the plane when he died. Tom took the responsibility to be the fall guy if someone had to go to jail. I think he will figure out how to get along with everyone going forward and be as powerful as Logan but a better dad and have a more balanced lifestyle. My prediction is he and Shiv stay together and have a large family but have more fun than Logan’s family. The end in my scenario.
Most compreshensive analysis yet. I think Tom winning also trapped him in this state of still pleasing the stronger man & being the Christmas tree when sh*t falls on ATN. He hasn't slept in like 4 days and still continue to work despite just enjoying the wealth. His relationship with Greg and Shiv has been reduced to fake pleasantries/you're all I've got no matter how poisonous they treat each other. It's no happier than the siblings despite winning what they all long for.
That's so reductive. Tom will have plenty of men beneath. He will especially demand respect from so many. So unlike most men, Tom has to just heed the few men who are stronger than him.
I think the thing of it is, he knows all this and he doesn’t care. Bc as long as he has status and wealth he will do anything for it. And he’s honest about it. He said that to shiv so he gets it. And that’s what makes Tom great. He sucks but he sucks visibly and doesn’t act like he’s somehow better than everyone like the siblings who can’t ever admit they’re bad people.
Matsson won. He got Tom to be his puppet and he will run the company the way Elon Musk runs X. Greg was a bigger fool if he does not make at least as much money as he could have inherited. Greg was stupid to not realize he could have won by doing nothing.
When Shiv reminded Ken that he had killed someone, she forgets that when she first heard the story from Ken she said that he did not kill the boy. Shiv - the lady who betrayed and was betrayed - was aptly named since one uses a shiv to kill someone one betrays.
It seems clear that Logan couldn't settle on who he wanted to run the company. He didn't trust any of the kids. And if he is that successful at building a business empire like that it's understandable, because he would understand that you need to be competent to run the company. Can't just treat it like a monarchy. At the same time he did seem to want to name a kid to succeed him. Which is a head scratcher. I guess he's just torn between what business requires and love for his children, however poorly expressed.
He tries to give it to his children but they keep making mistakes because they are not qualified, so he sells to Mattson, and Mattson (i.e. Logan's decision) wins in the end. By that point, the kids already screwed up and once he found Mattson, I don't think Logan was torn that much at all.
It's ironic that you say "he can't just treat it like a monarchy" because this is, quite literally, precisely the problem that monarchs have run into again and again. Some have found ways to solve it, others have not.
I can’t believe Willa never wrote the scathing expose play about the family - I thought for sure that’s where it would go when the biography writer was poking around and being frozen out.
@@BryceEdwardBrown Shiv didn't do to bad, she became a Queen instead of a sister to the King. She made millions off the sell of the company and still kept all the benefits she had before the sell.
Kendall saying "i tried" is delusional. When did he? While neglecting his family for drugs or when tattooing his name on a forehead etc etc? He just likes the idea of trying
I don’t know about the 180 thing regarding Tom/Shiv. No CEO compensation package imaginable is ever going to equal the amount of money she has or even received in just that deal alone. If she reprioritizes and puts her focus elsewhere, who cares that Tom’s Matsson’s lapdog? And he may not keep that position long.
Just finished season 4! Wanted to mention something about the water, I noticed this theme too. I first made note of it in the episode where they go to visit Josh. His front yard made me think he was in this arid desert, and later when they go for their lunch and walk, they literally end up lost by the ocean. Such a great series 🌊
Everyone got exactly what they deserved in the end, Roman never really wanted or could handle it and is finally free, Kendall never had to work for anything his father bailed him out every time now without his father there to bail him out he fails at the one thing he wants most, and Shiv is living as her mother lived and continuing the family cycle of being a CEO's wife, Tom did whatever he had to do to make it on top weather its take the bullet for something or be made the fool he always knew how to play the long game and play it properly, but the true tragedy is the kids are only family in name if they put their petty differences to the side and worked together from the beginning they could've taken over easily but they just cant help fighting between themselves, and at the end of the day Logan was right when he said you aren't serious people
I just came across your channel. Absolutely great. Your analysis is brilliant, your observations are very comprehensive, rich in perspective and holistic. I love it. Thank you.
The idea that Tom "deserves" to be CEO is total revisionist history, lol! He failed upward by continually being handed positions by the family on the premise that he's an empty suit, a loyal fall guy, and a total suck-up and goober for power. The same technique worked with Matsson. The only one who could possibly "deserve" it, or could possibly have earned it would be Gerri.
Exceptional review & analysis that is quite different from other popular YTers. You are clear, consise and you get to the point. Many thanks. I just subscribed to your channel. My hubby & I believe that Logan Roy won. He wanted to sell his company to GoJo and that is exactly what happened (except ATN). As Tom said in Season 3 to Kendall, Logan always wins. Kendall was all alone in the end with Colin (Logan's former driver) watching over him; Roman ended up back where he began ordering Gerri's fave drink; and Shiv wanted Tom and had to suck it up and stand with Tom. We noticed Tom extend his hand as he's now changed to how Shiv treated Tom over the past 3 season~~their roles are reversed. As far as Greg, it's a shame he didn't get the boot but we believe Mattson and Tom will use Greg for anything that goes bad with the new merger. Also, I'm sure Greg's salary will be clawed back dramatically as Mattson now knows Greg is a traitor plus Tom hinted at it earlier. Superb writing by Jesse Armstrong and ending his show on a high & in his own way. We thoroughly enjoyed this show and we'll rewatch it again in the near future. Lastly, it's a shame Connor didn't have a larger part in the finale but heck who am I to question the creator. We see some dark clouds on the horizon for Connor and Willa if he doesn't get that Ambassadorship. Just our two cents.
Who in the hell are the serious people? Ewan? Gerri? Marcia? Colin? I mean the man who is quoted ad nauseam for pronouncing that his adult children are not “serious people” left NO Will to plan out final wishes and some plan of a temporary successor if anything. Logan also left his mistress Carrie completely hanging with no plan of support or even a thanks for the good times! I’m just saying…🤣he ain’t “serious” either. Brutes and narcissists aren’t serious people, they’re damaged and good at intimidating others to get their way. Brian Cox did an amazing job conveying that personality disorder and I simply loved the accuracy of how someone like that controls people. Money and business power just inflame the control. I’ve known narcissistic people with much less pull off the same foolishness.
I figured by “serious” he meant able to focus on winning. They’re not serious about long term success. They’re not reasonable enough to achieve it. Logan however was, even though he was a crazy person about most other things. He was incredibly serious and talented at winning. I think in the end, Shiv was closest to the seriousness Logan talked about because she chose to protect the family’s legacy by blocking her brother from taking over. That is a long term win
He knew his time would come sooner or later, would he leave all his stuff to someone undeserving or let the sharks the jackals and hyenas battle it out over his dead body and may the fittest only survive as it did end up happening. THIS was the plan.
A big foreshadowing of Logan's death was in the episode of Romans Management training. Forget the exact episode, but in the back office the camera slowly scans over the wall and there is a poster on the wall on how to use an AED for heart failure & also instructions on how to do CPR
I dunno. I think that's reaching a bit too far. I'd need to see the writers saying they already had it planned out how it would end this early on. I don't think they had it all mapped out by that point. If so, something like that would likely be in the script. The cameramen had a lot of free reign on the camera movements compared to a regular show, so either it was a choice by the cameraman, who probably wouldn't be privy to the knowledge of how the whole show would end or it would be written into the script "Camera pans to CPR poster" if this really were to be foreshadowing to something 2 seasons later. Doing a quick lookup right now, it looks like the writers didn't decide to kill off Logan until January 2022. "According to “Succession” writer and co-executive producer Georgia Pritchett, the decision to kill off the Roy family patriarch in the final season’s third episode happened in January of last year. In an effort to keep that shocking twist from leaking out, Logan’s death was christened “Larry David.”" - From a GoldDerby article from April 2023.
im so glad we're done with avatar and on to better things, love your analyses! cant wait for the next season of black mirror, thats where you shine brightest
Thanks for the great work. It cleared some of my doubts or questions. As for the forgotten child, I think Connor is actually a big winner, if not the biggest winner. He never did much but he will end up as an ambassador, which is the best considering how messed up everybody including himself is. Would you please do a short clip on Connor?
you srsly think Mattson's ATN can't back-pedal last weeks hacker politix? Tom's already working on spin, a new winning Disney glitter princess campaign featuring Kendall's trans kid. Connor will be subsidizing surrealist soft-core Community Theater porno fromh Paris to Sydney, until his farming shelters put him in deep DUMB conflict with Serious People
Ewan was never giving Greg that money. He was going to hold it over his head then give it to green peace. Greg started as a amusement park mascot. He definitely came out ahead.
Logan was a broken man who broke everyone around him and his kids are the same way. Shiv should get away from her brothers if she wants her kid to have a better life but that life of belittling and backstabbing is all they know.
I mean, the OBVIOUS ending was all the kids lose, so that narrowed it down a bit. The only thing that would have made it more perfect would be Logan giving them all the middle finger from the beyond.
The show should have ended with Logan giving away his estate to charity, his brother, Tom and his first son. Charity cus everyone in his family always accused him of being selfish and doing the easy wrong thing. His brother as a big fuck you to him. Tom as a fuck you to Shiv and the eldest brother as a fuck you to the other to "not serious" brothers.
It was so clearly not going to be the siblings. They could only match their dad in the few moments they were working together. United they stand, divided they fell.
Exactly, exactly, Shiv did the right thing in her interest. That's what i would have done. I don't understand why people keep saying that she lost. I think she won the biggest she could have. Afterall the show has proven that Tom is the safest bet at any position.
Early on I think Kendall says he bought a lot of water and people would fight over it but he would have all the water. So the connection was there early on :)
I thought it was very likely it was going to go off the rails. Every time Kendall thinks he is about to win, the rug gets pulled out…I thought that as soon as they all were messing around in the kitchen….and then when the votes were set up so Rome and Shiv were last, I knew one of them would flip, and I expected it to be Shiv. The problem with a show that always twists is that you expect the twists… However, I still thought it was the right ending.
Reading other people's analysis of Greg's inheritance, I tend to lean to that. Ewan is quite similar to Logan and isn't a nice person either. He's using the inheritance to control Greg, and there's no guarantee Ewan would have given it to Greg. It would be more believable of giving Greg the inheritance if he at least gave Greg some of it before he died to alleviate Greg's daily financial situation because Greg is POOR at the beginning of the show and who knows how long Ewan could live. 5? 10? 15 years? And still with no guarantee that he stays true to his word.
Greg could have won by doing nothing. It would have been easy money. Buying shares of the company would make him an owner. This made Greg a bigger fool for all the weaseling he did and getting himself disowned.
Greg may possibly still get his full inheritance. We don't know. I tend to trust what Logan said about Ewan being too much of a pussy to go through with his threat on that. He's also had time to cool off and at Logan's funeral he came across like a slightly less angry person, so it's possible he got over it. Ewan was just as big of a prick as Logan if not worse and he was an insufferable prick to Greg for no good reason even prior to having a reason to be prick to Greg. It would seem that Ewan never cared about or was in the equation of helping out Greg until Logan entered that equation and started helping out Greg at which point he threatened Greg by holding an inheritance over his head. It's weird that many viewers let Ewan off the hook, but Ewan was worse than Logan because at least Logan was aware of who he was. whereas Ewan paraded around like a white night, yet proceeded to benefit financially from both the business and Logan. he was a hypocrite and an insufferable person to be around at all times.
Shiv made the same move her brothers would have done in her position.. They wouldn’t have handed the company to her PERIOD.. The only issue is, they EXPECT a woman to just bend to their needs and she didn’t.. . Gettin those billion dollar payoffs and gettin out of dodge was really the best move for the family.. . I’m sure Kendall will never forgive her for makin the best decision for the family.. . All of the children were not fit to a run hot dog stand.. I’m glad the company went to insane Matesson lol.. . Really great finale..
still dont get why- just b4 Roman's bar escape, he was making a fuss about signing papers under Lukas. Then Tom stepped up beside Lukas for photos. Did Rome fall into Mattson's pocket?
This show was well shot, well acted, but not very well written. It’s overrated in my opinion but fun to watch if you don’t mind a story that moves at a glacial repetitive pace.
I actually thought Shiv did what she did for her baby! She obviously isnt neeaaaaarly at a point where she would admit to any sentamentals, but Tom is the father of her child. I think over everything she really wants to be a better mother than her own.
She's gonna hurt the baby as much as Logan and her mom hurt her put together. Her unresolved issues already caused her to hurt Tom for no particular reason. Other than her need to "take back power" from her parents hurting her. She prioritises taking sadistic pleasure in hurting those closest to her over everything else cus she imagines that to be the reason why her parents hurt her.
I enjoyed this finale. I like that Tom got Shiv under his thumb and her becoming exactly what she feared... becoming just like her mother. And she deserved this after the lies and manipulations. None of them deserved to run the company. Especially Kendall. He's not a stable or good person and he just annoyed the shit out of me.
My statement may be a bit elementary, but, how are children of the rich supposed to behave. They've been handed everything on a silver platter. They have never had to sell lemonade to earn enough money to go to the amusement park. The obama children, Malia and Sasha are stable because Michelle and Barack weren't millionaires when they entered the white house. Come on people, let's be real! If I had money, my 13 year old would be a spoiled brat, but he'd be a nice person unlike the Logan children.
In 4x07 Matsson literally says: "let the waves float you away" and Kendall responds "I am the wave".
But he was wrong.
In the end he is left staring at the strong waves of the sea, being forcefully pulled away from his dream.
Or…Kendall was right. He was the wave. The wave constantly ebbs and flows. It reaches the shore, the height of its goal that it always seeks to crash down upon and claim as its own, (Kendall did this quite often). Yet it does so, only to retreat. No matter how strong it appeared just moments ago - it now looks weak. Up and back, push and pull, strong and weak - and while it can see its destination, (that elusive shore), touch it, taste it - it will never ever land there, take ownership of it, and call it its own. Never.
The unfortunate part of this ending is earlier in the seasons. He had a cardiac event, and instead of facing his mortality, he decided to become more entrenched and fight his offsprings for control of the company and then in this season he just dies out of nowhere, and everything is in disarray. He never made any arrangements for a successor, his own arrogance led to the failure of his kids and his company after his death
It was his one piece of control he had over his children and he got off on it. Logan is pure evil.
Kendall is going to relapse, shiv is stuck in the loveless marriage and probably is going to end up like her mother, Roman is going to do whatever he wants like before. They not serious people they was fooling themselves from the gate they nothing more than nepotism babies that were born in extreme wealth.
This was truly depicted the fall of Kendall
It was always Tom or Greg for me. The siblings snatch defeat from the jaws of victory due to their entitled and inpatient approach to life.
They weren’t serious people.
Come on Greg? never
Yes!
@@bilguuntuvshinbold8425 i expected a better ending for greg ngl
he is the only one who sacrificed a lot
@@dv9239 But thanks to Greg green piece is doing much larger scale projects this year. So thanks Greg
Shiv wasn't too smart for the role. Her and tom wete both reasonably smart. She was just too high maintenance, too rich and too privileged. Tom doesn't have the Roy name, doesn't have the billion-dollar fortune, so he is still much more obviously subservient to shareholders and principal owners.
Shiv would have inevitably had a disagreement w matson causing her to get fired or to quit
I agree with this full force
3:57 In Connors case it was less him demanding something he didn’t deserve but when her said “I am the eldest son” he was demanding something he *did* deserve which was consideration and respect from his siblings.
In that conversation Kendall was moaning about how Logan’s treatment of him hurt because “he was the eldest” but he *wasn’t the eldest* Connor was and yet he didn’t get to throw a pity party because he wasn’t being given the keys to the kingdom. As he said he didn’t see his father for three years at one point, he was at his siblings mothers wedding and had just got engaged to Willa and not one of his siblings had said as much as a congratulations.
Well in all honesty, they probably ignored the engagement bc he always does wild random stuff (like the presidential run) and she’s a hooker so… plus he was the outside from the three siblings who were always grouped up and competing.
It’s sad he ended up still mixing business and family like his dad did, he’s married to a woman who wants nothing to do with him and wants him to be on the other side of the world 😂 literally
It’s sad but at least he’s ignorantly blissful about it all I guess?
I loved that the show set up Conner as the worst-case scenario for rhe Roy children. They were never going to be poor, but they could become out-of-touch trust fund babies that were tolerated only for their money (Conner's campaign, his play, and even his wife existing solely because he could access Roy money).
I think that's why the pitch from Peter was so important. It was the three kids becoming Conner; just bags of money wanting to seem important.
At 15:00 Ken reopened Roman's scar because Roman indirectly asked him to. He was at the verge of another breakdown explaining how it would be better for the optics if his injury didn't look so good (healed) as it did. That way people would "understand" why it had to be Ken stepping up as CEO and not him. I think that scene could show how toxic the siblings are in general and how selfish Kendall could be. He is willing to physically hurt and make Roman bleed just to indulge his delusion and ultimately stop him from leaving before the voting.
That's interesting, I felt it was basically a certainty that somehow Kendall's plan would go to s*** and that the kids would not remain united. Going into the boardroom I felt pretty confident something would blow it up.
And at that point Tom was the only other option.
Kept hearing how smart Shiv was. I never saw that. She was portrayed as a stereotypical narcissitic female character. She was basicly weak, insecure and manipulative. She used manipulation rather than genuine personal power to get her way. Shiv is a scorpion. It was a perfect analogy.
Totally agree
Totally agree from the first episode.
I agree with this. I can’t stand when people try and say “oh she was sht on bc she was the female” but no… she was just as bad as everyone else. She should have stayed in politics and helped Connor get the presidency 😂 fr
After thinking about it, Tom made sense. He was the most fully formed character, was genuinely interested in other members of the company, had the most grounded set of ethics and morals and was hurt by Shiv continually cheating on him. He actually discovered that Greg was struggling not having anywhere to live and was drowning in debt and reached out to help. At the end, Logan kept relying more and more on Tom even feeling comfortable having him take him to the bathroom and he was the one with him on the plane when he died. Tom took the responsibility to be the fall guy if someone had to go to jail. I think he will figure out how to get along with everyone going forward and be as powerful as Logan but a better dad and have a more balanced lifestyle. My prediction is he and Shiv stay together and have a large family but have more fun than Logan’s family. The end in my scenario.
There is no way that anyone who has Siobhan Roy as a mother turns out normal and well-adjusted.
Shiv will just become a billionaire housewife who drinks like a fish spends money like water and sleeps around, that's her way to punish Tom.
It was never Greg. Greg was never an option or possibility. Shiv was held back heavily due to her lack of experience. What experience does Greg have?
Most compreshensive analysis yet. I think Tom winning also trapped him in this state of still pleasing the stronger man & being the Christmas tree when sh*t falls on ATN. He hasn't slept in like 4 days and still continue to work despite just enjoying the wealth. His relationship with Greg and Shiv has been reduced to fake pleasantries/you're all I've got no matter how poisonous they treat each other. It's no happier than the siblings despite winning what they all long for.
That's so reductive. Tom will have plenty of men beneath. He will especially demand respect from so many. So unlike most men, Tom has to just heed the few men who are stronger than him.
I think the thing of it is, he knows all this and he doesn’t care. Bc as long as he has status and wealth he will do anything for it. And he’s honest about it. He said that to shiv so he gets it. And that’s what makes Tom great. He sucks but he sucks visibly and doesn’t act like he’s somehow better than everyone like the siblings who can’t ever admit they’re bad people.
Matsson won. He got Tom to be his puppet and he will run the company the way Elon Musk runs X. Greg was a bigger fool if he does not make at least as much money as he could have inherited. Greg was stupid to not realize he could have won by doing nothing.
When Shiv reminded Ken that he had killed someone, she forgets that when she first heard the story from Ken she said that he did not kill the boy. Shiv - the lady who betrayed and was betrayed - was aptly named since one uses a shiv to kill someone one betrays.
It seems clear that Logan couldn't settle on who he wanted to run the company. He didn't trust any of the kids. And if he is that successful at building a business empire like that it's understandable, because he would understand that you need to be competent to run the company. Can't just treat it like a monarchy.
At the same time he did seem to want to name a kid to succeed him. Which is a head scratcher. I guess he's just torn between what business requires and love for his children, however poorly expressed.
He tries to give it to his children but they keep making mistakes because they are not qualified, so he sells to Mattson, and Mattson (i.e. Logan's decision) wins in the end. By that point, the kids already screwed up and once he found Mattson, I don't think Logan was torn that much at all.
It's ironic that you say "he can't just treat it like a monarchy" because this is, quite literally, precisely the problem that monarchs have run into again and again. Some have found ways to solve it, others have not.
@Obergruppenführer John Smith Sure but why can't he just put Gerri or Frank in charge?
Nah he just used it as a power play to keep the kids infighting and under Logan’s control imo
@HeatherHolt if that was the case why give him any power in the first place?
I can’t believe Willa never wrote the scathing expose play about the family - I thought for sure that’s where it would go when the biography writer was poking around and being frozen out.
Tom didn’t win. He has the title but no power. He’ll get fired as a scapegoat during the next corporate scandal.
Tom got what he wanted.
No one really won haha
@@BryceEdwardBrown Shiv didn't do to bad, she became a Queen instead of a sister to the King. She made millions off the sell of the company and still kept all the benefits she had before the sell.
Tom has power. More power than most men in this world
@@lestonthompson8495Shiv is subservient to Tom
Best analysis I’ve seen yet. Please make some more Succession videos!
So what the heck happened with the kids buying PGN? They made the offer, beat out logan and it was never talked about it again.
This is the best analysis I've seen so far. Your reviews are always in depth and exceptional!! Please keep the reviews coming! 👏🏽
What an amazing performance by Jeremy Strong! Great review of finale Bryce.
Agreed, and thank you!!
Kendall saying "i tried" is delusional. When did he? While neglecting his family for drugs or when tattooing his name on a forehead etc etc? He just likes the idea of trying
Yup to try is to truly and willingly accept suffering and misery from failure.
Not just feel sorry for yourself the first time things don't work out.
I don’t know about the 180 thing regarding Tom/Shiv. No CEO compensation package imaginable is ever going to equal the amount of money she has or even received in just that deal alone. If she reprioritizes and puts her focus elsewhere, who cares that Tom’s Matsson’s lapdog? And he may not keep that position long.
Exactly
Just finished season 4! Wanted to mention something about the water, I noticed this theme too. I first made note of it in the episode where they go to visit Josh. His front yard made me think he was in this arid desert, and later when they go for their lunch and walk, they literally end up lost by the ocean. Such a great series 🌊
Loved the way you brought it ALL together! Nice👍🏽
It ended quite abruptly for me but I assume that's the point. The kids all ended up with nothing and have to forge their own way to success 🤷♂️
Everyone got exactly what they deserved in the end, Roman never really wanted or could handle it and is finally free, Kendall never had to work for anything his father bailed him out every time now without his father there to bail him out he fails at the one thing he wants most, and Shiv is living as her mother lived and continuing the family cycle of being a CEO's wife, Tom did whatever he had to do to make it on top weather its take the bullet for something or be made the fool he always knew how to play the long game and play it properly, but the true tragedy is the kids are only family in name if they put their petty differences to the side and worked together from the beginning they could've taken over easily but they just cant help fighting between themselves, and at the end of the day Logan was right when he said you aren't serious people
Right! And they weren’t serious people bc Logan never required them to become serious people.
I just came across your channel. Absolutely great. Your analysis is brilliant, your observations are very comprehensive, rich in perspective and holistic. I love it. Thank you.
Haha just forgetting Connor was priceless😂😂
Who? Oh, right!
The idea that Tom "deserves" to be CEO is total revisionist history, lol! He failed upward by continually being handed positions by the family on the premise that he's an empty suit, a loyal fall guy, and a total suck-up and goober for power. The same technique worked with Matsson. The only one who could possibly "deserve" it, or could possibly have earned it would be Gerri.
Tom didn't deserve it either. He sucked the biggest dick in the room.
Maybe you're right. But I recommend you read The 48 Laws of Power, if you haven't.
Exceptional review & analysis that is quite different from other popular YTers. You are clear, consise and you get to the point. Many thanks. I just subscribed to your channel.
My hubby & I believe that Logan Roy won. He wanted to sell his company to GoJo and that is exactly what happened (except ATN). As Tom said in Season 3 to Kendall, Logan always wins. Kendall was all alone in the end with Colin (Logan's former driver) watching over him; Roman ended up back where he began ordering Gerri's fave drink; and Shiv wanted Tom and had to suck it up and stand with Tom. We noticed Tom extend his hand as he's now changed to how Shiv treated Tom over the past 3 season~~their roles are reversed. As far as Greg, it's a shame he didn't get the boot but we believe Mattson and Tom will use Greg for anything that goes bad with the new merger. Also, I'm sure Greg's salary will be clawed back dramatically as Mattson now knows Greg is a traitor plus Tom hinted at it earlier. Superb writing by Jesse Armstrong and ending his show on a high & in his own way. We thoroughly enjoyed this show and we'll rewatch it again in the near future. Lastly, it's a shame Connor didn't have a larger part in the finale but heck who am I to question the creator. We see some dark clouds on the horizon for Connor and Willa if he doesn't get that Ambassadorship. Just our two cents.
Who in the hell are the serious people?
Ewan? Gerri? Marcia? Colin?
I mean the man who is quoted ad nauseam for pronouncing that his adult children are not “serious people” left NO Will to plan out final wishes and some plan of a temporary successor if anything. Logan also left his mistress Carrie completely hanging with no plan of support or even a thanks for the good times! I’m just saying…🤣he ain’t “serious” either. Brutes and narcissists aren’t serious people, they’re damaged and good at intimidating others to get their way. Brian Cox did an amazing job conveying that personality disorder and I simply loved the accuracy of how someone like that controls people. Money and business power just inflame the control. I’ve known narcissistic people with much less pull off the same foolishness.
I figured by “serious” he meant able to focus on winning. They’re not serious about long term success. They’re not reasonable enough to achieve it. Logan however was, even though he was a crazy person about most other things. He was incredibly serious and talented at winning. I think in the end, Shiv was closest to the seriousness Logan talked about because she chose to protect the family’s legacy by blocking her brother from taking over. That is a long term win
He knew his time would come sooner or later, would he leave all his stuff to someone undeserving or let the sharks the jackals and hyenas battle it out over his dead body and may the fittest only survive as it did end up happening.
THIS was the plan.
some fantastic callbacks. Fantastic vid.
Thank you so much!
Succession Finale in a nutshell is what Ant-Man said to Kang in Quantumania: I don't have to win we both just have to lose
Bingeing various videos by Bryce. Always entertaining and lessons learned. ❤ it!
Thank you so much!
A big foreshadowing of Logan's death was in the episode of Romans Management training. Forget the exact episode, but in the back office the camera slowly scans over the wall and there is a poster on the wall on how to use an AED for heart failure & also instructions on how to do CPR
I dunno. I think that's reaching a bit too far. I'd need to see the writers saying they already had it planned out how it would end this early on. I don't think they had it all mapped out by that point. If so, something like that would likely be in the script. The cameramen had a lot of free reign on the camera movements compared to a regular show, so either it was a choice by the cameraman, who probably wouldn't be privy to the knowledge of how the whole show would end or it would be written into the script "Camera pans to CPR poster" if this really were to be foreshadowing to something 2 seasons later.
Doing a quick lookup right now, it looks like the writers didn't decide to kill off Logan until January 2022.
"According to “Succession” writer and co-executive producer Georgia Pritchett, the decision to kill off the Roy family patriarch in the final season’s third episode happened in January of last year. In an effort to keep that shocking twist from leaking out, Logan’s death was christened “Larry David.”" - From a GoldDerby article from April 2023.
Excellent, thank you for the hard work in putting it all together. Yes more videos please, i like the connections you made
Thank you so much!
im so glad we're done with avatar and on to better things, love your analyses! cant wait for the next season of black mirror, thats where you shine brightest
Bryce-“Did anyone pay attention to the water?”
Anyone-“duh”
oooh that take on how Tom skipped the funeral and Kendall went to the birthday, well done
Thanks for the great work. It cleared some of my doubts or questions. As for the forgotten child, I think Connor is actually a big winner, if not the biggest winner. He never did much but he will end up as an ambassador, which is the best considering how messed up everybody including himself is. Would you please do a short clip on Connor?
you srsly think Mattson's ATN can't back-pedal last weeks hacker politix? Tom's already working on spin, a new winning Disney glitter princess campaign featuring Kendall's trans kid. Connor will be subsidizing surrealist soft-core Community Theater porno fromh Paris to Sydney, until his farming shelters put him in deep DUMB conflict with Serious People
Ewan was never giving Greg that money. He was going to hold it over his head then give it to green peace. Greg started as a amusement park mascot. He definitely came out ahead.
Kendall also starts looking like Logan, as he also suddenly uses physical violence against Roman in the final episode. He is not his protector anymore
Also Colin becoming Ken’s bodyguard in the ending means Logan’s shadow will always follow Ken
I started and completed watching succession just cause I could enjoy your videos
Logan was a broken man who broke everyone around him and his kids are the same way. Shiv should get away from her brothers if she wants her kid to have a better life but that life of belittling and backstabbing is all they know.
She's gonna continue the cycle and hurt her kid just like she hurt Tom.
@@shadow_realm47 pretty-much. Damn shame too they can afford tons of therapy
Part 2 Now!!! Justice for the Conheads!!!
A movement I can get behind!
Team TOM forever. I called itttttt. Truly my life's greatest achievement probs.
You should put that on a resume. Lol. "Successfully predicted Tom's ascension to CEO in Succession, with some screenshots of your social media posts)
The Tom heads are living their best life right now haha
I mean, the OBVIOUS ending was all the kids lose, so that narrowed it down a bit. The only thing that would have made it more perfect would be Logan giving them all the middle finger from the beyond.
The show should have ended with Logan giving away his estate to charity, his brother, Tom and his first son.
Charity cus everyone in his family always accused him of being selfish and doing the easy wrong thing.
His brother as a big fuck you to him. Tom as a fuck you to Shiv and the eldest brother as a fuck you to the other to "not serious" brothers.
Great breakdown!!
Thank you so much!
Please talk more about Succession your take was deep
Thank you so much!
That's a really great video!
Thank you so much!
Can you please do a deep dive into the women of Logan Roy?
amazing video as always. please do talk more about succession!
Thank you so much!
It was so clearly not going to be the siblings. They could only match their dad in the few moments they were working together. United they stand, divided they fell.
Great vid
Shiv's journey throughout this show is ascending to burj khali heights of petiness all cumulated in the finale.
Exactly, exactly, Shiv did the right thing in her interest. That's what i would have done. I don't understand why people keep saying that she lost. I think she won the biggest she could have. Afterall the show has proven that Tom is the safest bet at any position.
I felt like Kendall was definitely the most skilled out of the 3 siblings but every time he nearly had it, Roman and Shiv blocked him.
Best thing for those “ kids “. Time to stop trying to be Dad. And they’re even richer now. They need to stay away from each other for a long time.
Early on I think Kendall says he bought a lot of water and people would fight over it but he would have all the water. So the connection was there early on :)
Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Tom is not Logan and he doesn't have more power in their relationship. The power dynamic is more balanced
I knew this was gonna happen. They could never agree on anything in any of the trio
I think Mattson somehow got the waystar but it could turn into disaster for his already troubled company
I thought it was very likely it was going to go off the rails. Every time Kendall thinks he is about to win, the rug gets pulled out…I thought that as soon as they all were messing around in the kitchen….and then when the votes were set up so Rome and Shiv were last, I knew one of them would flip, and I expected it to be Shiv. The problem with a show that always twists is that you expect the twists…
However, I still thought it was the right ending.
Reading other people's analysis of Greg's inheritance, I tend to lean to that. Ewan is quite similar to Logan and isn't a nice person either. He's using the inheritance to control Greg, and there's no guarantee Ewan would have given it to Greg. It would be more believable of giving Greg the inheritance if he at least gave Greg some of it before he died to alleviate Greg's daily financial situation because Greg is POOR at the beginning of the show and who knows how long Ewan could live. 5? 10? 15 years? And still with no guarantee that he stays true to his word.
I would have like it if Karl had have got the gig. That would have really put the cat among the commenting pigeons.
Dudeee
Do black mirror please
Greg could have won by doing nothing. It would have been easy money. Buying shares of the company would make him an owner. This made Greg a bigger fool for all the weaseling he did and getting himself disowned.
Greg may possibly still get his full inheritance. We don't know. I tend to trust what Logan said about Ewan being too much of a pussy to go through with his threat on that. He's also had time to cool off and at Logan's funeral he came across like a slightly less angry person, so it's possible he got over it. Ewan was just as big of a prick as Logan if not worse and he was an insufferable prick to Greg for no good reason even prior to having a reason to be prick to Greg. It would seem that Ewan never cared about or was in the equation of helping out Greg until Logan entered that equation and started helping out Greg at which point he threatened Greg by holding an inheritance over his head. It's weird that many viewers let Ewan off the hook, but Ewan was worse than Logan because at least Logan was aware of who he was. whereas Ewan paraded around like a white night, yet proceeded to benefit financially from both the business and Logan. he was a hypocrite and an insufferable person to be around at all times.
Logan did underline Kendall name, director confirmed
Interesting
I watched the last scene 20 times
I mean I guess you could say Tom won but I think no one won since the company is not really in anyone’s control at this point.
Shiv made the same move her brothers would have done in her position.. They wouldn’t have handed the company to her PERIOD.. The only issue is, they EXPECT a woman to just bend to their needs and she didn’t..
.
Gettin those billion dollar payoffs and gettin out of dodge was really the best move for the family..
.
I’m sure Kendall will never forgive her for makin the best decision for the family..
.
All of the children were not fit to a run hot dog stand.. I’m glad the company went to insane Matesson lol..
.
Really great finale..
Totally agree
Aww is the explanations for avatar ending?
Those will keep going! Also, stick around for Black Mirror as well!
Oh ok! I’m excited too see what you have planned :)
Logan had something to do with Tom taking over
Correct!
So shiv gets payed and gets a chance to manipulate tom back into the company
Was Connor necessary to the story?
Tyrion killed his father om Father's day as well. HBO has some serious mommy daddy issues
12:17 You don’t have to treat us like idiots lol 😂 we (your audience) can look up the fable if we don’t already know it 😝 Trust us a little my dude.
Buckle up for 15 June
I'll be there!
No. Thomas chosen because he would be servile and do whatever Monson want it now because he was the most like Logan Logan never pandered.
Talk more about Succession
If this gets enough attention, I will be able to! Tell your friends haha
still dont get why- just b4 Roman's bar escape, he was making a fuss about signing papers under Lukas. Then Tom stepped up beside Lukas for photos. Did Rome fall into Mattson's pocket?
This show was well shot, well acted, but not very well written. It’s overrated in my opinion but fun to watch if you don’t mind a story that moves at a glacial repetitive pace.
It was written that way...
Yes!
what a bunch or outrageous reaches................
I actually thought Shiv did what she did for her baby! She obviously isnt neeaaaaarly at a point where she would admit to any sentamentals, but Tom is the father of her child. I think over everything she really wants to be a better mother than her own.
She's gonna hurt the baby as much as Logan and her mom hurt her put together.
Her unresolved issues already caused her to hurt Tom for no particular reason.
Other than her need to "take back power" from her parents hurting her.
She prioritises taking sadistic pleasure in hurting those closest to her over everything else cus she imagines that to be the reason why her parents hurt her.
The real winner is Logan Roy
Thank jesus.
Hope you liked the video!
Real winner? MATTSON
Real real winner? Us
@@mondoseguendo6113 same difference
Real winner? Gerri.
@@karmpuscookie Honestly, imo, all of them who gtfo win.
Basically
That's wrong. Shiv wasn't too smart. She wasn't willing to play her position
Nice analysis! I disagree with the conclusion that no-one won. I think Matsson did reap a ton of benefits from the ending, did not he?
Mattson is the winner
True
Look, explain the end, not do a recap.
Us Conheads got robbed. *shrugs
AGREED!
I enjoyed this finale. I like that Tom got Shiv under his thumb and her becoming exactly what she feared... becoming just like her mother. And she deserved this after the lies and manipulations.
None of them deserved to run the company. Especially Kendall. He's not a stable or good person and he just annoyed the shit out of me.
Con-head? OMG.
My statement may be a bit elementary, but, how are children of the rich supposed to behave. They've been handed everything on a silver platter. They have never had to sell lemonade to earn enough money to go to the amusement park. The obama children, Malia and Sasha are stable because Michelle and Barack weren't millionaires when they entered the white house. Come on people, let's be real! If I had money, my 13 year old would be a spoiled brat, but he'd be a nice person unlike the Logan children.