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Some people think Tate is innocent because they were fed and paid. NO, in over 158 countries it is illegal to earn money from women by getting them to sell themselves for sex, at least it's Pimping and if they naively believe they are going to have a relationship with him but just end up working to buy him cars and a rich lifestyle it's trafficking. All these you tubers think that he's innocent because girls said "yes' then they need to take it up with the law. Also Tate choose that country because he thought it would be easier to do that crime, so nobody should be moaning about that. I'm not even going to mention the violence and rape allegations.
The CPS apologized to the victims who tried to report him over here. We have 1 in 10 rapist's in the Met police force, so the UK isn't fair to rape victims and with what has come out in the last 4 weeks about the Met in the UK is enough to stop any victim coming forward.
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Tate fans: "Tate is a straight shooter, he tells it like it is!" Also Tate fans: " Everything he's saying is phony. He's just talking in hyperbole. His words are open for interpretation." 😂
I love how before the arrest and everything. Tate fans were eating up every single word that came out of his mouth Now they’re like “oh it’s just a character” “ that’s AI not his real voice” “you actually believe everything he said lol”
@@ysurf Exactly. I like how Daniel Haqiqatjou said Tate is playing a character in his hustlers university video, but he ALSO says he has to take Tate at his word when he says he's now a Muslim 🤔
Tate haters over react. Most of Tate most famous videos are on self improvement and staying positive. A lot of Tate fans didn’t even know about the PImping course before he went to jail.
Three things I learnt from this debate: 1. Redpillers don't subscribe to identity politics unless they can use it to conform to their narrative (black, Muslim, etc.) 2. Redpillers believe women are inferior except when they're powerful scammers who use their sexuality to solicit attention from emotionally vulnerable men who lack agency, in spite of men being superior. 3. Tate is joking/lying about almost everything he says about himself online, but we still need to put tremendous value on the information he teaches young boys in spite of it being fallacious.
I think it's a far stretch calling anyone who claims institutional racism 'red pilled' You're also generalizing the opinions of this very middle tier IQ guy with a "smattering of legal experience" to an entire group of people. Maybe try and Steelman your opponent before pretending you're capable of learning anything.
Dude Destiny got me out of the red pill rabbit hole. I was watching sneako and agreeing on so much 😂😂. Didn’t realize how wrong I was. There is a middle to both sides and thats where destiny is
nah he's a blue pill gateway, letting other dudes clap your wife isn't "middle of the road" lol lol, dude has awful takes on family, and has flat out lied about the Tates.
Legal expert does not equate to him being a lawyer. Legal expert is not even a protected term, meaning any of us could say we are legal experts before going on a show. It's not a good idea to, but you could without legal repercussions.
I graduated from an Ivy League law school, and I have never heard of an international law license lol. This dude is smoking something. You can get licensed in a country (in the U.S., more specifically, a state). You can get an LL.M. focusing on international law, but that is a degree, not a license. There is no UN license to practice international law. If you are a lawyer licensed in New York, you can practice international law in New York. That does not give you a license to practice any kind of law in Romania, not patent law, not employment law, and not international law. Also, international law is an absolute joke. There is no real enforcement mechanism. If an international court says, "Romania, you are violating international law with X policy you have." Romania can say, "Sick. I don't care." Unless it is a really egregious violation, there will probably be no repercussions for Romania. In fact, the U.S. violates international law many times in highly egregious ways, and the U.S. has seen little to no consequences for it. That is why international law is a joke. This is what happens when people don't know what they're talking about. What gets me is that he says this so confidently.
I'm going to take Pearl's approach to this and say Andrew Tate needs to take accountability for his choices since he chose to move to Romania. He should've made a better choice
I feel I need to point out some things from the perspective of a Romanian: - as far as the preventative detention goes, we have arrived at this system out of necessity. There have unfortunately been numerous suspects released on judiciary control or just set free and told not to leave the country who have fled Romania while the investigation was being finalized, as well as used their money/contacts/political influence to manipulate witnesses and other key parts of said investigation. After fleeing, it has been unbelievably hard to get them extradited back to Romania, even from countries such as the UK or neighboring countries (Serbia, Moldova, etc.). Sometimes they have a lot of money and those countries provide shelter for them, or they complain of bad detention conditions, etc. Either way, when a large flight risk is clear (and in Andrew Tate's case it's clear as day) preventative detention is decided for. - 18:50 The "another black man" argument is a projection of UK and US social problems onto Romania. First of all the Tates don't even look black, don't have any stereotypical presentation of black culture and their accents are quite unique. I only found out they're half black when I learned about their father and what a strong influence he was over them. Secondly, there is no cultural prejudice against black people in Romania. There is racism, sure, but it's more like "omg your skin is black how crazy is this, I've never seen this up close in my life" kind of soft racism. Also the most black people around here aren't American or English, they're either from various African countries/former French colonies, etc. - 21:00 The Muslim argument is another big pile of bullshit. We have a LARGE and very peaceful muslim community in Romania that has been around for CENTURIES. We're across the sea from Turkey, one of the most powerful muslim countries in the world and we have a history with them that goes back to the 1300s. Muslims have been around us for longer than Romania has been a modern state so to say "muslim in an Eastern European country" betrays the lack of knowledge and simple tribal thinking of this clown. In fact I'll say straight up that this dude, like a bunch of other muslim advocates on behalf of Tate only defends him because he's a famous person who converted to Islam. As long as Tate doesn't harm another Muslim (or maybe even then, who knows) these guys will defend him to the death from a purely religious tribe motivation. - 39:00 A mistake the guy on the left is making here consistently is when he talks about "the judge". There is no "the judge", there are multiple judges. The ones involved so far have judged whether the Tate brothers and their 2 female conspiration should be held in preventative detention. The actual case will be judged by a DIFFERENT panel of judges. If the case then goes to appeal that's a DIFFERENT court and a DIFFERENT panel of judges. This is important to consider for all the dumb conspiratorial arguments, because in order of those to be possible someone would have to influence a multitude of judges in a multitude of courts. - 47:00 What he's saying here about the judge saying there isn't enough evidence to convict is probably false. What was reported in Romanian media is that there is a SPECIFIC charge, namely that of rape against Tristan Tate (as alleged by one of the women), for which the judge says more evidence needs to be gathered to corroborate the allegation. Also, like I pointed above, this particularly judge ONLY decides if the arrest of the Tates is warranted or not (he/she is a civil liberties judge ) - 1:24:00 Tina Glandian is exactly NOBODY in Romania. She has a much right to visit the Tates in jail as I do, since NEITHER of us is a lawyer recognized by the Romanian legal system. - 1:36:17 The totality of the chat logs is part of the file and will be submitted as evidence at trial, the snippets are simply the most salient points included in the motivation and by the prosecution as illustrative of the points they were making. - 1:38:35 Another lie. The judge never says ANYWHERE that the evidence ONLY amounts to reasonable suspicion, he just says the bar is reasonable suspicion and that that level of evidence is met. Also, again, this civil liberties judge ONLY judges the preventative detention measure, NOT the totality of the case. - 1:39:30 Yet another lie. The FULL transcripts of the conversations ARE PART OF THE FILE AND THE JUDGE HAS SEEN THEM. The reason there are only snippets in the media is probably because those are the only parts the media managed to access/overhear during the preventative detention proceedings. However, that does NOT mean they are not fully there or that the judge didn't read them. - 1:45:00 The court has considered preventative measures such as house arrest or judiciary control but decided this measure was the only one that would prevent the Tate brothers from A) fleeing the country as well as B) tampering with witnesses and the investigation. There's even a passage in the document that says that as the investigation has arrived at the phase where they interview associates and potential victims of the Tate brothers they want to make sure the control the Tate brothers have over these people is interrupted. - 1:54:00 Cool, an insult to Romania by a clown who thinks he's a legal expert. It's a bit funny because the judge invokes precedents from the UK and France in his decision to detain the Tate brothers and the way the investigation has been going so far has been quite by the book compared to other cases So I guess we'll see what happens.
As a Romanian my dad literally calls black people monkeys, it's not soft racism all around, the young people tho are definitely not racist or at most soft like you said. Anyway, Tate is white AF for Romanian standards
the way he’s representing islam is sus af too, you don’t pay the bride’s father anything, it’s the bride’s money. Also you have to pay alimony for two years and child support, depending on how much money you have, properties included. So don’t know what’s he’s on about western countries when this is the rule of law in muslim countries currently Defending Tate, and throwing islam under the bus for man points is horrible. This guy is duplicitous and a liar to boot.
"You can't use his own words or confessions against him because "those people just talk like that"" might be the most insanely racist thing I've ever heard.
You clearly missed the point but some people can only get the point if its through BBC or any other major network Sheep follow what they learned to follow
@@irealzzin3521 I listened to his exact words and you can, too. He's black, so his confessions don't count, because "those people just talk like that" is blatantly racist. Outright so. Imagine using that defense for a rapper that guns down someone and confesses to it on a video, "yaaaa, I shot that bitch ass n***a!" and people like you go, "You can't convict on that. That's just "how those people speak"!" Jesus fucking christ every red piller scored several points under Forrest Gump's school placements tests, huh?
Im about 20 mins and this guys issue is that a muslim was incarcerated, nothing else. Im almost never on Destiny's side but he's crushing this guy so far.
Andrew Tate is a strong, confident man teaching men to be self-assured and respectful towards themselves but he's simultaneously a defenceless black man who didn't mean anything he said and was just joking. Amazin'.
My instagram is filled with angry Tater Tots but I still do not care. Each morning I wake up to 50 or more comments from them, for an entire 12 days. They need to work on that EQ and IQ just as well as they work on those pushups
@@geospatial-KML that’s they’re mindset I also like how they say what he did was legal but wrong well they’re wrong but if they were right I get it’s not right of the law to hold them but it’s legal so it’s okay when Tate does it to woman but not when the law tries to enforce the law on them their community has such double standards
Can't stop laughing at Destiny and the other having a conversation but both just looking straight ahead, no eye contact. Its like an awkward first date 🤣🤣🤣
I've noticed it's pretty standard on PearlyThings, I wonder if she has some screens set up in front of them so they are looking at each other there but keeps them facing the camera? Feels really awkward and stiff.
@@Reverendshot777 shes said before they have monitors for eachother. For me its like a fun inverterted mystery science theater where its just 2 guys talking about shit not even remotely related to whats happening on the tv
Yeah they do have monitors in front of them, it is a very inorganic setup though. So weird to have 2 people sitting shoulder to shoulder facing the camera, thought someone would have helped pearl setup the studio in a better way.
He made a mistake. He himself has said he has made mistake . And that is like chess, if you lose you have made a mistake somewhere. Is life bro. I hope you don’t break down everytime you make a mistake.
@@officerricky3230 wow, you seriously think the possibility of somone sex trafficking women is just a "mistake" you don't just wake up one day and go "oops I accidently set up and run a sex trafficking business my mistake" 😂if he is found guilty he knew exactly what he was doing the entire time.
Don’t worry. I’ll will just get my lawyer from Nee Jersey to represent me in another country. We all know US lawyers automatically get international certificates. US lawyers are at a higher standard and cannot be represented in any other state u less they pass that bar.
Even funnier when he shits on western liberalism for allowing women to be independent, and then immediately appeals to western liberal human rights and due process when speaking of the Tates. He's a religious fundamentalist who couldn't care less about human rights or due process in islamic countries, only when someone he likes gets prosecuted he turns into a pacifist
It’s actually against human tights,the same human rights that every us president uses to talk against egypt are the same human rights that are being broken here.
@nabeel0trakci589 Not a single human right is being broken here. It would only be illegal according to U.S law not international human rights. You're just making shit up.
That American lawyer was 100% hired to make Tate seem less anti woman than he actually is. He must’ve paid her hella money to act so passionately on camera about their case
As a lawyer, it's frustrating to hear someone claim to be a lawyer and then act like this. Destiny calls out a bunch of the bad faith points: - Purposely conflating standards for detention and arrest with standards for conviction. - Referring to int'l law which is generally irrelevent in domestic criminal charges. - Reaching conclusions about evidence he hasn't seen and asserting that the prosecution must release all info to the court AND to the public before bringing charges. - The idea that once you arrest, police must stop all investigation. - Asserting that assess to a lawyer who is not representing you must be face to face or it doesn't count. The worst thing that Destiny didn't catch was his assertion that the Romanian police were holding Tate, knowing they have no evidence with the plan to torture a confession out of him. If this guy is your lawyer, get a new one. Not convinced that he is though.
This guy thinks he's so smart, and he may be successful at convincing someone with below average intelligence, but he is in WAY over his head here with Destiny 🤣🤣🤣
Agreed. He’s a lawyer, so his arguments and hypothesis should have been based on what known facts are around and in keeping with the topic. But you could tell he was sweating a bit, so he had to drag race and religion into it. Some lawyer.
@@soup8786 Your feelings don't override facts. Lombard Illinois is where he practices, look it up, and just for interest sake, where does destiny practice?
Bout as useless as a conversation as I figured it would be. Tate could upload a video of himself throwing women off his balcony and his fans would say it’s roleplay
I went on a date with a russian woman who thought it was "hot" when one of her thug/MMA trained badboy friends held her over the railing of a balcony to teach her a lesson
@@Caporg3000 Yet black people still to this day using the concept of the One Drop Rule. They claim mix people so bad and claim "1% black make you black" even tho that wa s developed from.....The One Drop Rule
andrew tate: *puts out video of him explaining in great detail how to become a sex trafficker and avoid paying taxes* this guy: “come on man its just slang, how dont you see it?😮”
@@blaquespan5316 There wasn't one, Destiny walked into a... I was gonna say lion's den but they're more like cattle. Either way he left with their heads.
It is astonishing to me that there are Muslims rushing to Tate's defence simply because he's claimed to have converted. Tate's behaviour before and since claiming to be Muslim is about as un-Islamic as you can get.
Im not surprised that its muslim men defending him. As someone who grew up muslim, some muslim men are trash hypocrites that engage in buying prostitutes etc. They arent free of not thinking like tate. Trash exists everywhere
Well, their demi-god married a six year old and had sex with her at age nine. In addition he lied and scammed in order to further himself so I think Tate is acting very much like a "good" muslim
It is strange that a legal expert doesn’t understand that the court isn’t supposed to tell what evidence they have until trial. It’s simply so that the tempering with evidence would be minimized. Also, that irrelevant evidence will not be presented.
He’s obviously not an expert, he’s just full of feelings of being discriminated against and banking on getting clout thinking Tate won’t be charged. Didn’t age well because all four of them were formally charged and are still in house arrest.
Lmao i think i found the most naive and baseless arguement ever :D. 1. They aren't debating to convince each other they both think they are right therefore there is no real change in that. 2. Literally every debate ever is made like that if you have watched any before this you see speakers going to a podium and presenting their arguements to the audiance who ultimatly decides weather or not the arguements presented are sound and rational. 3. there was nothing awkward in the conversation only awkward loner kids calling themselfs ElDude would make a normal situation "awkward" cause they feel uncomfortable with the information presented or the format.
@@irealzzin3521 Almost all debates I saw have people facing both the audience (or in this case camera), and slightly towards each other. That way you are mostly front facing but can still look at the person you are speaking to. I think its a completely fair point that debating each other while facing in the same direction is kinda awkward.
Random dude: What evidence do you have he’s guilty of these charges?” Destiny “ the words that came out of his own mouth” Random dude “ you can’t go by what he said, because he’s black” 🤔🤔
This guy going on about the "omg racism and islamophobia!!" is actually going to make me slash my ears off seriously the case has NO relation to anything to do with race and he still manages to mental gymnastics his way to the racism
He has a go at destiny for his opinion, then gives the opinion romania is racist and islamophobic. There's no proof tate has been subjected to any of that
The “lawyer” guy says its silly for Tate to go on the run in the ankle bracelet scenario because it would mean giving up everything. Like running away would be an admission of guilt. The reality is that Tate would probably flee to Dubai, continue his online presence and push the narrative that his prosecution and charges are all bullshit and made up by the “matrix”. I’m sure with his charisma and speaking skills he could absolutely sell it to his fanbase too.
@@irealzzin3521 ya boy went on lengthy off topic tirades about western men being owned by their wives. It’s cool though I ain’t mad at him. Grifters gotta grift.
This is why I like destiny, most people get confused and concede when an “expert” starts spouting “article 5.9” etc but destiny just stays calm and has done the research
@Polymorphism yeah I don’t know about the actual law but he sounded full of bs, which is why a lot times people like him get away with it during a debate with someone who isn’t a lawyer but destiny handled it well.
@@Bickle121 he's not even a lawyer, he just has an undergrad degree in law. which is fine, absolutely nothing to scough at, but that doesn't come close to being "a legal expert" or even having "a background in law."
To many times people will hear experience and take it as "correct on every situation". Being incorrect should be incorrect regardless. They do it all the time with Myron. "He's an ex fed so xyz.."
At this point Andrew Tate could admit to his crimes publicly and they would still just claim "he's just joking lol". Oh wait, that's already happening.
Yeah but you guys are accusing him of rape and trafficking when there’s no proof he’s done anything like that. Even the girl who said he was trafficking them and threatening her she couldn’t leave a video just came out of her saying all the stuff she did on her own free will
@@xaphan8581 so you’re saying you don’t believe him and we shouldn’t believe anything he said either? There are multiple rape victims in multiple countries & I believe there is an eye witness to one of the rapes. The sex trafficking is much easier to prove, it was literally his business model. It’s all “pattern” behaviour. Doing the same crimes the same way over a long period of time. He promoted himself by bragging about being a pimp His self snitching is the icing on the cake. He had some of these young women so brainwashed he made them get tattoos saying “property of Ahole Taint” 😬 when are you old enough to get your tattoo?
@@xaphan8581 Still digging through my two-sentence comment to see where I accuse him of rape. Gonna find it any time soon. As for the sex trafficking bit, you can watch the whole conversation again, the point is plain and simple: Tate has been charged for sex trafficking, with sufficient evidence for a charge. The facts right now look damning for him, but they're not enough to convict him. There's a good chance he did commit sex trafficking, but we'll have to wait for an actual conviction with more evidence. It's that simple, there are no unsubstantiated guesses here, just looking at the facts of the matter. As for the girl who came out with the video, from my understanding she's still working with him. Hence why that evidence is not as relevent as Tate's potential admission. If a politican X was charged for a crime, obviously there is a good chance that politicians that work with or for him will run defense for him. But any such defense rings hollow when politican X publicly admitted to his crimes. The same is true for Tate. The question is how much of what Tate has said is true. What he's said is more than enough to bring forth charges and detain him ("lol it was a joke" is not a reasonable defense). As for a conclusive conviction, we'll have to wait and see and accept the results, whichever they may be. Again, fairly simple.
Reminder Pearl polled her chat (10k viewers) on who won and the final result was 52/48 in Destiny's favor despite the vast majority of viewers being Tate and Pearl fans since this was done live on her channel. Also there were only like 1.5k ppl watching on Destiny's site DGG, mostly chatting among themselves and not interacting much with Pearl's YT chat.
“Legal expert” rambles for 5 minutes claiming various things that makes it obvious he hasn’t done more than 10 min worth of background research on Tate. Destiny responds for 60 seconds to correct various lies, and is immediately interrupted for “talking too long”. This “legal expert” guy is in wayyyyy over his head, I feel a little bad
@@anonymouspreme3425 Not a lawyer by any standard, just a self=proclaimed "expert", but yes 100% incel, at least until his dad buys him a hostage, oh, I mean a "wife".
@@slain4ever he used tactics he picked up from scam, online charisma/confidence courses, I’d imagine. The constant need to force alignment on points Destiny hadn’t remotely agreed with him on was rich but weaselly. The constant “So I think we both agree (proceeds to state deliriously stupid point)” was absurdly transparent. Unfortunately I think Destiny caught this early on and realized this dude is likely a fraud in way over his head, so he went far too easy on him.
@@saheerumar2443 i don't think destiny did enough, I think only a couple of times did he push back on these tactics. Like when he was cut off for saying "i think" and then just replaced it with "it's a fact that".
That so called legal expert was extremely condescending. Endlessly talking down to Destiny and saying over and over, "I've explain..." these points to you, as if Destiny is just too dense to understand. Hot air balloon in human form.
We're living in a world where a person who looks like a Bond villain, has various passports, chose a country because he considered law enforcement to be bribable and is trained in martial arts, is in prison for multiple crimes, and an international following of frustrated men is _actually_ defending him publicly. There's only one difference to a Bond villain: He hasn't yet talked directly on camera about his crimes. Oh wait, he actually did. Multiple times. Bragadaciously.
That’s one of the things that so insane to me. He’s recorded bragging about it, and they’re defending this shit. All the right wing is obsessed with calling, trans people and gay people sex traffickers, yet when one of them is actually guilty of it crickets or a defense.
U guys are the one coping none of the possible chargers have nothing to do with the cam buisness keep coping I don't even like him but ur just uneducated social media lawyers
The court addressed the whole "it's just an act you can't take what he says online seriously " excuse "The defenses of the defendants lawyers that what the defendant said via the Internet does not reflect the reality cannot be accepted. On the contrary, these claims, as shown above, were actually put into practice"
@@zigazdovc6175 I thought it was more racist to say that the way Andrew talks is just how black people who grew up in the ghetto talk. Like whoah, you view all poor black people that way? Wtf.
The amount of sneaky times this guy kept saying "we agree" is hilarious. Either he's an idiot and doesn't realize they don't really agree or he's being sneaky on purpose.
This dude is so frustrating, saying everything destiny says is his "feelings" but that's literally just the way destiny speaks. He's saying that there isnt enough evidence yet they're being held. If it's not any opinion he wouldn't be here talking about his opinion. He would just wait for the outcome
I agree. Plus, he keeps harping on about reasonable suspicion indeed being met and then tries to act like the accusations are completely unreasonable and based on no evidence. Clearly not... there is enough evidence for reasonable suspicion which is the only threshold that needs to be met right now. It boggles the mind how he can be considered an expert in anything
After seeing the Blueface livestream and now this one and the one today with Destiny, Pearl and that other girl, I’m starting to see this more and more with Pearl when someone really puts her in a position to get out of her comfort zone and she has to acknowledge it rather than when she’s on with emotional feminist. Still love Pearl’s content, but now I’m seeing it.
You do not need to prove that someone has committed a crime “beyond a reasonable doubt” to bring forth charges. If that were the case, the judge evaluating the evidence could just convict the suspect immediately without a trial. That is the point of a trial in front of your peers: to dig deeper into the evidence and have a jury evaluate whether or not the defendant’s guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. You just need “reliable and admissible evidence” that shows “probable cause” in order to press criminal charges. Reasonable doubt is for winning a trial: not pressing charges. Edit: And to commit a search/seizure before pressing formal charges, you only need reasonable suspicion. This is not exclusive to Romania. This is also the case in the U.S. For example, an officer has reasonable suspicion to pull someone over for drunk driving if they are swerving and running red lights. Once they give a sobriety test and breathalyzer that confirms they are drunk, then they have probable cause to press charges. Either way, a cop wouldn’t need to know “beyond a reasonable doubt” that the driver is drunk before pulling him over.
@@elenah1384 That wasn't the topic at hand when the lawyer mentioned "reasonable doubt." He initially said that the Romanian Feds didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that the Tates committed crimes "beyond a reasonable doubt" when they were arrested. He then proceeded to say that an arrest can't be made unless you have enough evidence to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard before a judge, which is not true. You only need probable cause backed by evidence that would be admissible in court. Given this, the arrest of the Tates isn't the perversion of justice that the lawyer is insinuating. The judge, in this case, recognized that there was enough reasonable suspicion for the Tates to be arrested and their homes searched, thus they were. And given that Tate himself has bragged on video about hypothetically using his multiple passports to flee legal trouble, he and his brother were deemed a flight risk and thus are being detained while these searches are happening at their properties. They did this to themselves. And I don't think any non-clout-chasing, reputable international lawyer of merit would represent them given how much damning evidence has already been revealed, and it's only pieces of evidence that have been "leaked." The "international attorney" that the Tates have allegedly hired has represented sleazy people like Jussie Smollet and Chris Brown: bottom of the barrel cases that only publicity-driven law practitioners would even give the time of day.
@@cmclase93 Absolutely, I agree with everything you say, I think the Romanian authorities are doing their job. I suspect sex trafficking will be a difficult thing to prove because of the psychological element and it’s not easy to get girls as witnesses.
@@cmclase93 I scrolled so many comments to find this one. Pretty much every western country uses the threshold of probable cause to issue arrest, which is far lesser than "beyond a reasonable doubt". I'm assuming he takes this stance as some "reasonable defense" for his detained Muslim brothers in Gitmo.
I live in America so it may be different, but you also don't have to automatically turn over evidence that you are not going to be using in a court case. The defense can always request stuff like video footage and what not, but the only disclosure that HAS to be done during the discovery period is the evidence that the prosecution is planning on introducing in the trial.
Well if that’s true. Destiny got bodied hard by a hustler university legal expert which is sad. All of destiny’s points were completely demolished. I was shocked.
@@khalidroos9359Jesus you really just go make those false comments everywhere. You already know what you said is not true, is daddy tate giving you money or did he brainwash you enough to just go around lying to defend him?
@@SASMADBRUV7 Its not UK slang, its pimping slag. Its a term for your top trusted prostitute who also works for you basically as a manager; recruiting, handling finances and business etc. Tate's 2 "bottom bitches" are Georgiana Naghel and Luana Radu. They were both arrested with the Tate brothers.
Fortunately for defendants everywhere... he doesn't actually practice law, nor is he qualified to: Pearl introduced him in the way she did because he isn't a lawyer, and has straight zero actual legal experience at all, his "background in law" is just an undergrad degree.
To be fair he had a few points...destiny really couldn't respond to They agree on most things He relied more on documents for his best points Destiny relied more on RUclips vids to counter them, because there was no other way. Destiny started from the weaker position given the evidence , but did great with what he had. To say only Destiny was strong here is delusional. Better delusional than dishonest I guess
@@jordancole5671 I think both relied equally as much on the court documents. Maybe name a point where he got destiny. As to the RUclips stuff etc. I get why he would call upon these things seeing as tates character is in question
Collating and cataloguing a chronological timeline of evidence is a huge undertaking. Imagine having to sift through hours of ct footage, email, texts etc that correspond with each and every woman AT claims to have been “working “ with. In order to present an airtight case you have to have your shit together, that takes time. The Asian guy was jarring I don’t know how destiny sat through that. I don’t know how I sat through that
Same, I am really making a concentrated effort to listen to all of it -the Tate’s content-and some of it is like hammering a nail into your brain. Both of the are narcissists and gas light everyone. Even in the same video the literally contradict themselves multiple times, when pinned down the my gas light the interviewer.
@@oscarperez9783 Destiny has a video where he did a research stream watching a bunch of the original videos of Tristan and Andrew. You could get the videos from there and watch them in full for yourself
If Andrew doesn't like the Romanian Court System, maybe he should have just picked a better place to live. It says something about his decision making! He needs to take accountability for his choices! (As pearl always says)
@@iap5650 nobody said he isn’t. The problem is by that countries law standards they aren’t going by it correctly. They don’t have enough evidence to be able to detain him for as long as they are. That’s the issue. They aren’t argueing about him being investigated. It’s about the unlawful time he’s been detained for the lack of evidence presented
@@Mblazo289s but at the same time its a different country. So I understand where ur coming from but its not America. Some countries are actually really fucked up so idk bro. 180 days in jail without adequate evidence to have or start a trial. Thats a little weird to me but he chose to go there so 🤷🏾♂️
I cannot understand for the life of me what it is about Andrew Tate, that hypnotizes and bewitches these men to defend him blindly, ignoring all logic, all reason, all evidence, all words that that man has said out of his own mouth! I just don’t understand it! is he like a father figure to them? Why are they so blind? This is really troubling!
Because the male figures in their lives are either non existent or are not as cool. Sadly these guys would look up to tate before their own father or other positive role models.
Cult of personality is a hell of a thing. It's not exclusive to actual cults to have a similar impact on people. Think of what it takes to break a person down enough to join a cult. Think of what Tate did to get women to cam for him. He did the same to his male audience, just without the extra effort of breaking them down because the men either already were broken down (depressed, in a huge transitional period of their life, already had a weak sense of self, or other things that can make a mind vulnerable to influence) or genuinely agreed with his takes on women already. There's more to it then that, but my comment is already long.
It's funny when you think about it but all of Tate's fanboys think its pathetic to simp over a woman but they don't seem to think its pathetic simping for a guy who's nothing more than social media grifter lol.
Everyone in a debate should have 2 live timers: total time spoken by a person and the time of current response. It should be visible to the stream and the people in the debate. That would shut up 90% of allegations of "speaking for too long" against destiny
The whole “US lawyer” argument could have been addressed by asking where the US lawyer is licensed to practice law. Being licensed in the US doesn’t mean you have the same privileges of a lawyer in every other nation on earth. There are some differences even on a state level in the United States, so idk why they think they can just hand wave the fact that he already has counsel on record in Romania.
I can’t remember what the legal term is, but there is in most countries the ability to request permission from the court to act as a barrister/lawyer when not in your licensed jurisdiction. But that’s actually besides the point, the US lawyer was intended to launch a case in a different “district” that pertains to international matters and has the remit to do so. Not granting access of some sort is neither fair nor legitimate.
The Romanians already addressed it, she was a US lawyer and wasn’t allowed, she didn’t even speak the language, she was just a mouthpiece added and having her as a woman just a chess move.
The fact he's equating breaking out of prison as being the same as cutting off an ankle bracelet fucking blows my mind. I work CPS. The kids on my caseload who cut off their ankle monitors all the time. It's not like some full metal explosive neck collar from a movie.
This whole thing was just embarrassing for the reporter dude but that took the cake. You could see how nervous he got trying to dance around that one, and eventually walking it back when Destiny was trying to pin him down on it. What a fucking toolbag, talk about ideologically driven holy shit he has zero integrity.
Not to mention the guys were basically hiding and only got caught due to a pizza box - they've got established behaviour. Of course they'd try to flee when they've already tried to hide. both are forms of avoidance.
@@Nazareadain They lived in a mansion in Romania, the authorities knew exactly where they were that was a stupid theory put forward by reddit. Never listen to anything those morons say, reddit attracts people who desperately want to be smart because they're incapable of achieving anything in real life.
The problem is that the "Law expert" is so down to exonerate the Tates WITHOUT even having the trial itself. Like he wants to basically SKIP the trial. Then pushes his feelings into it as "proof" but then when pushed with them he'll put it in a pedestal by saying "Ah this is international law/EU law" to handwave everything.
@@Ouzzel he is not stating any facts, that’s the problem. He starts right of with he feels that detention for investigation is unacceptable to HIM and then goes on and on about what he feels is wrong with European legal systems. None of that is fact, it’s all his feelings.
He says tate is a positive role model who helps young men, but what about the men ruined by his camming business? The men who lose everything in casinos? What about those?
Destiny didn't though? destiny had nothing but speculation and brought up irrelevant points that don't make up the charges.. He basically straw manned... if you think destiny won here you're nothing but a delusional fan boy...
I thought the "write on paper with pen but no hard surface" was an excellent mini game. I think it would be fun to see more mini games included in debates =)
The cctv thing "sounds" stupid, there could be good evidence of either innocence or guilt. But how many hours of footage is there? How much of the house does it actually cover? And what parts does cover and not cover? That could be why they didn't use it. But then again I don't know what they know or see what they see
Really frustrating how this dude makes such poor arguments about Tate's innocence and then goes on to make arguments with his innocence as a core assumption. That's what's in question
the arguments he makes are GREAT points lol. he literally cite sources and even is RIGHT about there is no proof, which Destiny himself agrees. you have to assume people is innocent until proven guilty, why are you not being fair with this?
@@forproject1666 yeah I'm curious too what great points this "lawyer" made, he litterally said that the prosecutors are required to present all of their evidence to the judge just to be able to keep them in detention which is straight up wrong cause that is something they are suppose to do on a trial. also destiny did not agree that there is not enough evidence to convict he said that as of now there is indeed reasonable suspicion to keep them in detention cause the truth is no one really knows the extent of evidence the prosecutors holds as of now. lastly the the "do not have enough evidence to convict" is very sus it seems to be a mistranslation or just blissful ignorance on his part, as far as I know that was about the rape charges that one of the girls wanted to file on tristan, it has nothing to do with the charges againts tate and their human traficking business. this "lawyer" said a lot of dumb things, so I was really curious what good points he made.
Australian Lawyer here, anyone that quotes international law as a reason has nothing to go on. Destiny is speaking really well as to international law is usless until incoprated into the goverment. Even then the Romain legal system when you get to this point is super good. I wouldnt doubt if andrew did what he did in American it would be a simlair situation. I am glad they wrote "Legal Expert" cause he speaks like an undergrad at their first moot. Edit: THE RIGHT HAS GOOD LAWYERS THAT LIKE TO TALK WHY DRAG THIS GUY OUT
Exactly! Plus bear in mind that it is the client who chooses whoever he wants to present him in court. And they are also completely ignoring that the time you change or add lawyers to your ongoing case is valuable time you lose instead of working up a defense strategy, unless you have no confidence in your current team and want to change them out of course.
Watching it live, seeing the "legal expert" throw racial jabs at destiny was so embarrassing. Otherwise I enjoyed the "debate" even though it wasn't since they didn't really hard disagree with each other near the end, since the whole Andrew Tate fiasco is still ongoing and speculations drawn on both sides.
"Maybe because you grew up in a white household" meanwhile all of his Hispanic elders living in his childhood home are literal first generation immigrants, priceless. If only destiny was a little darker toned.. these people would have no where to reverse racism him like this
I feel like tate declared himself a Muslim for the purpose of having them jump to his defense in a situation like this, it's so weird how they don't see that.
Proselytizing religions like Islam and Christianity are pretty quick to accept converts and in some cases simply publicly declaring the faith. There are of course exceptions that require a little more effort, but overall it’s pretty simple to be accepted just by declaration.
More like he converted so he can safely flee to Dubai, where he bought property last year... the UAE might comply with extradition of non-Muslim expats... but do you think they would extradite a Muslim brother .?. 1
@@honestrat0330 Yea, I dislike when people call her a grifter. She genuinely believes the stuff she's saying, she's just clueless a lot of the time. Doesn't help she confirms her bias of women when she lives in a big city, and gets girls on her show the way fresh'n'fit do.
To be clear, having an LLB does not make you a "legal expert" at all. You know jack shit until you qualify (i.e. qualifications + 2 year training period with qualifying work). Even then your knowledge will be limited to the areas you trained in and generally surface level.
I like how beard guy started out saying Romania had violated international law, got destroyed, and immediately switched to "Minorites get oppressed under international law and that's wrong!".
At the end of the day, it all comes down to whether or not the Tates' previous statements are admissable, and whether or not the jury believes that destiny is a girls name.
It's so rewarding to watch the Tate simps squirm. Take this guy for instance, you can see he was super confident in his story and defense of Tate, but once Steven started poking holes in it, he started veering off into whatever direction he could.
So Pearl believes woman and men are different (rightfully so) - then shouldn’t the use of psychological manipulation be a valid argument for women to use since we know they’re biologically reacting to the “lover boy” method? It’s not just “well they made that choice”. There’s a lot of predatory manipulation going on.
Poor women. They fleeced horny men by just looking pretty and made thousands of dollars out of it because they wanted daddy tate's approval. I think I'll go cry now
I admit, I don't always agree with Destiny but it is a fresh of breath air to find a left leaning individual who can argue in good faith and with good arguments, even if you don't agree with the conclusions.
I lean right, and agree with destiny on a lot of things. Tate included. He's helped me get out of my dumb redpill conspiracy phase where I thought I knew the truth of the universe like sneako 😂
@@prettyokandy230 There's no evidence Tate did anything wrong and Myron from FnF thoroughly refuted the "victims" claims while 2 of the alleged victims have already come out to the court defending Tate. It's quite clear Tate is innocent.
@@eldertoguro1 everything guy said was antagonistic in nature and based on feelings. Can you tell me other than opinion, why the Tates should be released?
I don’t think this “legal expert” realizes how trials work… they haven’t even charged Tate yet, the prosecutor has ZERO reason to put the entire case on the table until trial, right now they just need enough to keep Tate in jail. Would you present a half-baked presentation to your boss?
They coul literally watch any true crime show, even some of Tate Trump fans kept saying for years Hillary hadnt been arrested because they were "building up the case" or "making a bulletproof case"
@@fatroachandthinrodent1718 Well, again, there's also the critical bit where he's not actually a lawyer who even *could* practice law at a firm, since he doesn't possess the requisite qualifications to do that. Not being a lawyer wouldn't be why he's on a RUclips talk show *instead* of practicing law though, since there are plenty of lawyers kicking around RUclips.
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Some people think Tate is innocent because they were fed and paid. NO, in over 158 countries it is illegal to earn money from women by getting them to sell themselves for sex, at least it's Pimping and if they naively believe they are going to have a relationship with him but just end up working to buy him cars and a rich lifestyle it's trafficking.
All these you tubers think that he's innocent because girls said "yes' then they need to take it up with the law.
Also Tate choose that country because he thought it would be easier to do that crime, so nobody should be moaning about that.
I'm not even going to mention the violence and rape allegations.
PS This is a EU country and not 1 person has seen what the prosecution has gathered against them and 2 girls don't speak for the other accusers.
The CPS apologized to the victims who tried to report him over here. We have 1 in 10 rapist's in the Met police force, so the UK isn't fair to rape victims and with what has come out in the last 4 weeks about the Met in the UK is enough to stop any victim coming forward.
What you don't think the UK doesn't have its fair share on racism and so does America, that's a poor argument.
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it's like they don't even know he completed factorio space exploration...
It’s unbelievable
scout?????? bro i used to watch tf outta ur vids
Sounds crazy
this needs to become another Destiny meme XD
Yeah man's taken off his limiters
Tate fans: "Tate is a straight shooter, he tells it like it is!"
Also Tate fans: " Everything he's saying is phony. He's just talking in hyperbole. His words are open for interpretation." 😂
Yep. Q-Tard-level delusions
It's the same thing with Trump fans. They're such sheep.
I love how before the arrest and everything. Tate fans were eating up every single word that came out of his mouth
Now they’re like “oh it’s just a character” “ that’s AI not his real voice” “you actually believe everything he said lol”
@@ysurf Exactly. I like how Daniel Haqiqatjou said Tate is playing a character in his hustlers university video, but he ALSO says he has to take Tate at his word when he says he's now a Muslim 🤔
Tate haters over react. Most of Tate most famous videos are on self improvement and staying positive. A lot of Tate fans didn’t even know about the PImping course before he went to jail.
Three things I learnt from this debate:
1. Redpillers don't subscribe to identity politics unless they can use it to conform to their narrative (black, Muslim, etc.)
2. Redpillers believe women are inferior except when they're powerful scammers who use their sexuality to solicit attention from emotionally vulnerable men who lack agency, in spite of men being superior.
3. Tate is joking/lying about almost everything he says about himself online, but we still need to put tremendous value on the information he teaches young boys in spite of it being fallacious.
Based
It's almost as if redpillers...are fucking stupid.
yup, pretty much.
I think it's a far stretch calling anyone who claims institutional racism 'red pilled'
You're also generalizing the opinions of this very middle tier IQ guy with a "smattering of legal experience" to an entire group of people. Maybe try and Steelman your opponent before pretending you're capable of learning anything.
So this guy said he's a redpiller?
Dude Destiny got me out of the red pill rabbit hole. I was watching sneako and agreeing on so much 😂😂. Didn’t realize how wrong I was. There is a middle to both sides and thats where destiny is
Agreed. He holds both sides equally accountable like Steve knight.
Glad you used your logic! Welcome back!
Destiny in the middle lmao
nah he's a blue pill gateway, letting other dudes clap your wife isn't "middle of the road" lol lol, dude has awful takes on family, and has flat out lied about the Tates.
He definitely isn’t in the middle he is purely left wing / blue pill
If this guy was my lawyer in the UK for shoplifting a pack of sausage rolls I'd somehow end up with the death sentence in Uruguay
LOL
To be fair shoplifting from Gregg’s constitutes treason in the UK. Off with your head!
I DIED AT THIS
Soooo good 💀
Legal expert does not equate to him being a lawyer. Legal expert is not even a protected term, meaning any of us could say we are legal experts before going on a show. It's not a good idea to, but you could without legal repercussions.
Destiny getting passed around the ManoSphere like the 10/10 Factorio Queen he is.
Its too easy to farm them for content.
What makes it weird is that it clearly is a single mom's name and they all seem to hate those...🤣🤣
LOL!!
@@Jay-eb7ik reciprocal
(s)he's ran through
I graduated from an Ivy League law school, and I have never heard of an international law license lol. This dude is smoking something.
You can get licensed in a country (in the U.S., more specifically, a state). You can get an LL.M. focusing on international law, but that is a degree, not a license.
There is no UN license to practice international law. If you are a lawyer licensed in New York, you can practice international law in New York. That does not give you a license to practice any kind of law in Romania, not patent law, not employment law, and not international law.
Also, international law is an absolute joke. There is no real enforcement mechanism. If an international court says, "Romania, you are violating international law with X policy you have." Romania can say, "Sick. I don't care." Unless it is a really egregious violation, there will probably be no repercussions for Romania. In fact, the U.S. violates international law many times in highly egregious ways, and the U.S. has seen little to no consequences for it. That is why international law is a joke.
This is what happens when people don't know what they're talking about. What gets me is that he says this so confidently.
I'm going to take Pearl's approach to this and say Andrew Tate needs to take accountability for his choices since he chose to move to Romania. He should've made a better choice
Well, in the UK he would have been in jail already 😄
"I don't know, but it just seems like all these millionaire red pill manosphere influencers just want to be victims."
/s
I’m dead ☠️ 😂
But Andrew Tate isn’t a woman, so he’s being unfairly treated.
@@angryretailbanker5103 he should just take some responsibility for his arrest.
I feel I need to point out some things from the perspective of a Romanian:
- as far as the preventative detention goes, we have arrived at this system out of necessity. There have unfortunately been numerous suspects released on judiciary control or just set free and told not to leave the country who have fled Romania while the investigation was being finalized, as well as used their money/contacts/political influence to manipulate witnesses and other key parts of said investigation. After fleeing, it has been unbelievably hard to get them extradited back to Romania, even from countries such as the UK or neighboring countries (Serbia, Moldova, etc.). Sometimes they have a lot of money and those countries provide shelter for them, or they complain of bad detention conditions, etc. Either way, when a large flight risk is clear (and in Andrew Tate's case it's clear as day) preventative detention is decided for.
- 18:50 The "another black man" argument is a projection of UK and US social problems onto Romania. First of all the Tates don't even look black, don't have any stereotypical presentation of black culture and their accents are quite unique. I only found out they're half black when I learned about their father and what a strong influence he was over them. Secondly, there is no cultural prejudice against black people in Romania. There is racism, sure, but it's more like "omg your skin is black how crazy is this, I've never seen this up close in my life" kind of soft racism. Also the most black people around here aren't American or English, they're either from various African countries/former French colonies, etc.
- 21:00 The Muslim argument is another big pile of bullshit. We have a LARGE and very peaceful muslim community in Romania that has been around for CENTURIES. We're across the sea from Turkey, one of the most powerful muslim countries in the world and we have a history with them that goes back to the 1300s. Muslims have been around us for longer than Romania has been a modern state so to say "muslim in an Eastern European country" betrays the lack of knowledge and simple tribal thinking of this clown. In fact I'll say straight up that this dude, like a bunch of other muslim advocates on behalf of Tate only defends him because he's a famous person who converted to Islam. As long as Tate doesn't harm another Muslim (or maybe even then, who knows) these guys will defend him to the death from a purely religious tribe motivation.
- 39:00 A mistake the guy on the left is making here consistently is when he talks about "the judge". There is no "the judge", there are multiple judges. The ones involved so far have judged whether the Tate brothers and their 2 female conspiration should be held in preventative detention. The actual case will be judged by a DIFFERENT panel of judges. If the case then goes to appeal that's a DIFFERENT court and a DIFFERENT panel of judges. This is important to consider for all the dumb conspiratorial arguments, because in order of those to be possible someone would have to influence a multitude of judges in a multitude of courts.
- 47:00 What he's saying here about the judge saying there isn't enough evidence to convict is probably false. What was reported in Romanian media is that there is a SPECIFIC charge, namely that of rape against Tristan Tate (as alleged by one of the women), for which the judge says more evidence needs to be gathered to corroborate the allegation. Also, like I pointed above, this particularly judge ONLY decides if the arrest of the Tates is warranted or not (he/she is a civil liberties judge )
- 1:24:00 Tina Glandian is exactly NOBODY in Romania. She has a much right to visit the Tates in jail as I do, since NEITHER of us is a lawyer recognized by the Romanian legal system.
- 1:36:17 The totality of the chat logs is part of the file and will be submitted as evidence at trial, the snippets are simply the most salient points included in the motivation and by the prosecution as illustrative of the points they were making.
- 1:38:35 Another lie. The judge never says ANYWHERE that the evidence ONLY amounts to reasonable suspicion, he just says the bar is reasonable suspicion and that that level of evidence is met. Also, again, this civil liberties judge ONLY judges the preventative detention measure, NOT the totality of the case.
- 1:39:30 Yet another lie. The FULL transcripts of the conversations ARE PART OF THE FILE AND THE JUDGE HAS SEEN THEM. The reason there are only snippets in the media is probably because those are the only parts the media managed to access/overhear during the preventative detention proceedings. However, that does NOT mean they are not fully there or that the judge didn't read them.
- 1:45:00 The court has considered preventative measures such as house arrest or judiciary control but decided this measure was the only one that would prevent the Tate brothers from A) fleeing the country as well as B) tampering with witnesses and the investigation. There's even a passage in the document that says that as the investigation has arrived at the phase where they interview associates and potential victims of the Tate brothers they want to make sure the control the Tate brothers have over these people is interrupted.
- 1:54:00 Cool, an insult to Romania by a clown who thinks he's a legal expert. It's a bit funny because the judge invokes precedents from the UK and France in his decision to detain the Tate brothers and the way the investigation has been going so far has been quite by the book compared to other cases So I guess we'll see what happens.
Its the same system in all of europe
Well said. Thank you
As a Romanian my dad literally calls black people monkeys, it's not soft racism all around, the young people tho are definitely not racist or at most soft like you said.
Anyway, Tate is white AF for Romanian standards
Wait let him cook
the way he’s representing islam is sus af too, you don’t pay the bride’s father anything, it’s the bride’s money. Also you have to pay alimony for two years and child support, depending on how much money you have, properties included. So don’t know what’s he’s on about western countries when this is the rule of law in muslim countries currently
Defending Tate, and throwing islam under the bus for man points is horrible. This guy is duplicitous and a liar to boot.
"You can't use his own words or confessions against him because "those people just talk like that"" might be the most insanely racist thing I've ever heard.
You clearly missed the point but some people can only get the point if its through BBC or any other major network Sheep follow what they learned to follow
@irealzzin3521 I mean he pretty clearly implied that black people use pimp slang, that's just how they talk lol
He was referring to ghetto people, if you think being ghetto is indicative of being from a particular race then you're the racist one
@@irealzzin3521 what other point would it be then? You're the sheep that's deep into this Tate cope
@@irealzzin3521 I listened to his exact words and you can, too. He's black, so his confessions don't count, because "those people just talk like that" is blatantly racist. Outright so. Imagine using that defense for a rapper that guns down someone and confesses to it on a video, "yaaaa, I shot that bitch ass n***a!" and people like you go, "You can't convict on that. That's just "how those people speak"!"
Jesus fucking christ every red piller scored several points under Forrest Gump's school placements tests, huh?
Im about 20 mins and this guys issue is that a muslim was incarcerated, nothing else.
Im almost never on Destiny's side but he's crushing this guy so far.
The way he kept droning on and on and going in circles with his arguments were so annoying! Destiny is more of a lawyer than he is
Andrew Tate is a strong, confident man teaching men to be self-assured and respectful towards themselves but he's simultaneously a defenceless black man who didn't mean anything he said and was just joking. Amazin'.
BETA!
@@DeusEx_Machina 🤣 bro, that got me good!
Thank you, Jesse, someone had to say it. Amazin
My instagram is filled with angry Tater Tots but I still do not care. Each morning I wake up to 50 or more comments from them, for an entire 12 days.
They need to work on that EQ and IQ just as well as they work on those pushups
@@geospatial-KML that’s they’re mindset I also like how they say what he did was legal but wrong well they’re wrong but if they were right I get it’s not right of the law to hold them but it’s legal so it’s okay when Tate does it to woman but not when the law tries to enforce the law on them their community has such double standards
Can't stop laughing at Destiny and the other having a conversation but both just looking straight ahead, no eye contact. Its like an awkward first date 🤣🤣🤣
I've noticed it's pretty standard on PearlyThings, I wonder if she has some screens set up in front of them so they are looking at each other there but keeps them facing the camera?
Feels really awkward and stiff.
@@Reverendshot777 shes said before they have monitors for eachother. For me its like a fun inverterted mystery science theater where its just 2 guys talking about shit not even remotely related to whats happening on the tv
@@Reverendshot777 Is it a wonder? I feel it's pretty obvious they are looking at monitors in front of them... Obviously.
Yeah they do have monitors in front of them, it is a very inorganic setup though. So weird to have 2 people sitting shoulder to shoulder facing the camera, thought someone would have helped pearl setup the studio in a better way.
@@JimC607 Yeah, its super weird how they set up their guests. Its like a bizarre, relaxed hostage video..
Andrew "I moved so corruption is available to me" Tate: this country is CORRUPT!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
This made me laugh a lot, I can’t lie. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He made a mistake. He himself has said he has made mistake . And that is like chess, if you lose you have made a mistake somewhere. Is life bro. I hope you don’t break down everytime you make a mistake.
@@officerricky3230 wow, you seriously think the possibility of somone sex trafficking women is just a "mistake" you don't just wake up one day and go "oops I accidently set up and run a sex trafficking business my mistake" 😂if he is found guilty he knew exactly what he was doing the entire time.
@@conormcc_9656 No , I meant he believing that Romania isn’t corrupt enough to accuse him of something he didn’t do.
@@conormcc_9656 Come on, we've all done it
Never ask a muslim if he thinks sex-trafficking is wrong because he has to defend his favorite prophet who was an expert at it.
You’re not wrong
Never happened. Do your research.
@@nailahabdallaat what age did Muhammad marry Aisha?
I never thought I’d hear the “this is just another black man getting caught up” take in defense of Andrew Tate 😂 that was incredible!
Bizarro World Clayton Bigsby, the white black nationalist
Is Andrew tate even black lmao
@@legoat5293 he’s like half
@@legoat5293 half
@@brendanagu3722 Emory Tate was already half black, the tates are like quarter black, even tho they just look white.
He’s being illegally detained with no evidence according to US Law is a weird position to take when someone is locked up in Romania
Don’t worry. I’ll will just get my lawyer from Nee Jersey to represent me in another country. We all know US lawyers automatically get international certificates. US lawyers are at a higher standard and cannot be represented in any other state u less they pass that bar.
Even funnier when he shits on western liberalism for allowing women to be independent, and then immediately appeals to western liberal human rights and due process when speaking of the Tates. He's a religious fundamentalist who couldn't care less about human rights or due process in islamic countries, only when someone he likes gets prosecuted he turns into a pacifist
It’s actually against human tights,the same human rights that every us president uses to talk against egypt are the same human rights that are being broken here.
@nabeel0trakci589 Not a single human right is being broken here. It would only be illegal according to U.S law not international human rights.
You're just making shit up.
That American lawyer was 100% hired to make Tate seem less anti woman than he actually is. He must’ve paid her hella money to act so passionately on camera about their case
Andrew Tate is a black Muslim man. This lawyer had me dying 🤣🤣
You just don't understand the STRUGGLE, these black men have in central European countries after they follow the business practices of Islam
/s
He’s only 1/4 black and at a push looks Mediterranean. It’s madness he is using that as a crux.
*man with background in legal studies. he's got no clue what he's talking about
@@WaniZame eff all that.
Has Tate ever claimed to be black?
@@SmartDave60 yes many times
"This is an example of another black man being incarcerated" this gone be good.
I choked on my water when he got to black😭
Lawyer: talks for 10 minutes
Destiny: says anything
Lawyer: "bro you talk forever omfg"
Lol its so ridiculous
@destinyskull11 he is not lmfao
when bro said kkk and plantations talking about a uk born case in romania i turned it off
As a lawyer, it's frustrating to hear someone claim to be a lawyer and then act like this. Destiny calls out a bunch of the bad faith points:
- Purposely conflating standards for detention and arrest with standards for conviction.
- Referring to int'l law which is generally irrelevent in domestic criminal charges.
- Reaching conclusions about evidence he hasn't seen and asserting that the prosecution must release all info to the court AND to the public before bringing charges.
- The idea that once you arrest, police must stop all investigation.
- Asserting that assess to a lawyer who is not representing you must be face to face or it doesn't count.
The worst thing that Destiny didn't catch was his assertion that the Romanian police were holding Tate, knowing they have no evidence with the plan to torture a confession out of him.
If this guy is your lawyer, get a new one. Not convinced that he is though.
He's very much not actually a lawyer, he just has an undergrad degree: the man is a journalist.
Destiny's entire argument was based on what he thinks lol
@@gaigegrosskreutzmissingbic5591actually it was the opposite
RED FLAGS immediately when he said it cant be "reasonable suspicion" and that it had to be "without a doubt" or "probability"
This guy thinks he's so smart, and he may be successful at convincing someone with below average intelligence, but he is in WAY over his head here with Destiny 🤣🤣🤣
How in God's name did this become a race issue?
The mental gymnastics this guy made was gold medal level. Holy shit
Agreed. He’s a lawyer, so his arguments and hypothesis should have been based on what known facts are around and in keeping with the topic. But you could tell he was sweating a bit, so he had to drag race and religion into it. Some lawyer.
@@cashmererose1101 he's not even a lawyer! At best, he's what you would call a paralegal.
OJ Simpson ahhh legal defense
@@cashmererose1101 Apart from the 10 minute racial part he brought much more information and facts to the debate.
@@VitorGamesPlayy wake up
I liked how she wanted to say “he’s a lawyer”, and then had to change it to “background in law”
He is actually a top-rated attorney. You can look it up or remain willfully ignorant. Share your findings with your fellow stans
@@khalidroos9359 he isnt
@@soup8786 Your feelings don't override facts. Lombard Illinois is where he practices, look it up, and just for interest sake, where does destiny practice?
@@khalidroos9359 any comment after getting rolled?
@@チャラ-k4o Nope lmaoo
When dudes was introduced as a "legal expert" I knew the word salad was coming
If the guy on the left was my lawyer, I’d already plan my funeral
BHAHAHAHA
I am only 6 mins in and this guy is a twat!
😂
He won.
@@UltimatePiccolo After looking at your other comments, you’re a very bad troll who barely goes outside. Hold this L clown
He won at looking like an idiot.
If I had a dollar every time dude said “he’s a black man and he’s Muslim” I’d be able to buy friends.
Bout as useless as a conversation as I figured it would be. Tate could upload a video of himself throwing women off his balcony and his fans would say it’s roleplay
I went on a date with a russian woman who thought it was "hot" when one of her thug/MMA trained badboy friends held her over the railing of a balcony to teach her a lesson
@@kullenberg …sure you did
@@kullenberg lad what are you on about?
@@SASMADBRUV7 I'm just saying there are some genuinely crazy people out there
Is there any video evidence would love to see it
i’m a bit more empathetic to the concept of “white passing” after hearing Andrew Tate referred to as a black man lmao
Not a hint of black in that man’s features and hardly in his dna 😂
@@marketables his dads black
@@lustrazor44 his mom's white......
@@damnkevindeaderthanamf3297 The One Drop Rule wasn’t abolished in the US until 1967…
@@Caporg3000 Yet black people still to this day using the concept of the One Drop Rule. They claim mix people so bad and claim "1% black make you black" even tho that wa s developed from.....The One Drop Rule
The irony that the guy defending Tate uses the arguement of being a minority is fucking hilarious.
He clearly sees himself in Tate. Like the racial argument would be good for him, not for Tate though who is white passing 😂
andrew tate: *puts out video of him explaining in great detail how to become a sex trafficker and avoid paying taxes*
this guy: “come on man its just slang, how dont you see it?😮”
Slaves in sex trafficking aren’t paid or have the right to leave.
@@picklespickle1641 So epstein wasn't a sex trafficer in your view. Because the survivors/victims he trafficed were generally paid "employees."
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Where they even of age? And who said they could leave and where being paid ? Info sources?
Didn't they both agree on that point tho - what is said outside of the allegations cannot be used?
@@picklespickle1641if what tate claimed in his videos to be true, then he did sex traffic.
When he said "you've just talked for ages" when destiny was 20 seconds into his reply to his 6 minute monologue I lost it.
Yeah this guy is insufferable.
Me too… where is the mediator
@@blaquespan5316 Pearly white is biased since Tate is her boy
Yeah that pissed me off. The fat bloke talked for 90% of the video.
@@blaquespan5316 There wasn't one, Destiny walked into a... I was gonna say lion's den but they're more like cattle. Either way he left with their heads.
It is astonishing to me that there are Muslims rushing to Tate's defence simply because he's claimed to have converted. Tate's behaviour before and since claiming to be Muslim is about as un-Islamic as you can get.
'but it is not important whether or not he is a good Muslim...'
Im not surprised that its muslim men defending him. As someone who grew up muslim, some muslim men are trash hypocrites that engage in buying prostitutes etc. They arent free of not thinking like tate. Trash exists everywhere
Well, their demi-god married a six year old and had sex with her at age nine. In addition he lied and scammed in order to further himself so I think Tate is acting very much like a "good" muslim
@@fifiadan yes but he has yet to change. The majority of his money still comes from very haram sources
@@fifiadan But it's not like he has even changed lol, he continues to run his casinos and continues to fuck multiple women without marriage
It is strange that a legal expert doesn’t understand that the court isn’t supposed to tell what evidence they have until trial. It’s simply so that the tempering with evidence would be minimized. Also, that irrelevant evidence will not be presented.
He’s obviously not an expert, he’s just full of feelings of being discriminated against and banking on getting clout thinking Tate won’t be charged. Didn’t age well because all four of them were formally charged and are still in house arrest.
pearlythings innovating the debate game by having people debate each other without facing each other to create the most awkward conversation possible
Better than a CNN or Fox debate. At least they allow each other to talk and not scream at the top of their lungs canceling each other out.
Lmao i think i found the most naive and baseless arguement ever :D. 1. They aren't debating to convince each other they both think they are right therefore there is no real change in that. 2. Literally every debate ever is made like that if you have watched any before this you see speakers going to a podium and presenting their arguements to the audiance who ultimatly decides weather or not the arguements presented are sound and rational. 3. there was nothing awkward in the conversation only awkward loner kids calling themselfs ElDude would make a normal situation "awkward" cause they feel uncomfortable with the information presented or the format.
@@irealzzin3521 you completely missed my point.
@@donaldcharles3331 i wasnt refering to you with my comment nor was i adressing you
@@irealzzin3521 Almost all debates I saw have people facing both the audience (or in this case camera), and slightly towards each other. That way you are mostly front facing but can still look at the person you are speaking to. I think its a completely fair point that debating each other while facing in the same direction is kinda awkward.
Random dude: What evidence do you have he’s guilty of these charges?”
Destiny “ the words that came out of his own mouth”
Random dude “ you can’t go by what he said, because he’s black” 🤔🤔
lolol
He IS black so....
You wouldn't understand because your are white.
@@twocheezitz9182 and? What's the point... you cant trust black peoples words?
He’s saying not to look at the out of context social media stuff but what the court evidence is instead…
This guy going on about the "omg racism and islamophobia!!" is actually going to make me slash my ears off seriously the case has NO relation to anything to do with race and he still manages to mental gymnastics his way to the racism
He has a go at destiny for his opinion, then gives the opinion romania is racist and islamophobic. There's no proof tate has been subjected to any of that
The “guess wot” is hell annoying
Facts
but one time a brown person was denied entry into romania, obviously this case is only because he's black and islamic 🥴🥴
@@pluguette bruv these are just jokes on the internet I dono why you are taking me seriously 🥴🥴🥴🥴
The “lawyer” guy says its silly for Tate to go on the run in the ankle bracelet scenario because it would mean giving up everything. Like running away would be an admission of guilt. The reality is that Tate would probably flee to Dubai, continue his online presence and push the narrative that his prosecution and charges are all bullshit and made up by the “matrix”. I’m sure with his charisma and speaking skills he could absolutely sell it to his fanbase too.
Islamic Ethan Klein was tripping 😂😂😂
That's a good shout
destiny got bodied
"oh damn i cant argue with him well back to the roots lets smear him and attack him on other basis" every liberal ever
@@ahmedzregat1053 how can you gather that take from this debate?
@@irealzzin3521 ya boy went on lengthy off topic tirades about western men being owned by their wives. It’s cool though I ain’t mad at him. Grifters gotta grift.
Tate went to Romania because the laws are different to those in the West. Now he gets to enjoy the difference!
This is why I like destiny, most people get confused and concede when an “expert” starts spouting “article 5.9” etc but destiny just stays calm and has done the research
Cos destiny is 5,5
@Polymorphism yeah I don’t know about the actual law but he sounded full of bs, which is why a lot times people like him get away with it during a debate with someone who isn’t a lawyer but destiny handled it well.
@@Bickle121 he's not even a lawyer, he just has an undergrad degree in law. which is fine, absolutely nothing to scough at, but that doesn't come close to being "a legal expert" or even having "a background in law."
To many times people will hear experience and take it as "correct on every situation". Being incorrect should be incorrect regardless. They do it all the time with Myron. "He's an ex fed so xyz.."
@@SuperSupermanX1999 oh really, I didn’t know that. Yeah he’s full of shit then.
He’s a clown
At this point Andrew Tate could admit to his crimes publicly and they would still just claim "he's just joking lol".
Oh wait, that's already happening.
😂
Yeah but you guys are accusing him of rape and trafficking when there’s no proof he’s done anything like that. Even the girl who said he was trafficking them and threatening her she couldn’t leave a video just came out of her saying all the stuff she did on her own free will
@@xaphan8581 so you’re saying you don’t believe him and we shouldn’t believe anything he said either? There are multiple rape victims in multiple countries & I believe there is an eye witness to one of the rapes. The sex trafficking is much easier to prove, it was literally his business model. It’s all “pattern” behaviour. Doing the same crimes the same way over a long period of time. He promoted himself by bragging about being a pimp
His self snitching is the icing on the cake.
He had some of these young women so brainwashed he made them get tattoos saying “property of Ahole Taint” 😬
when are you old enough to get your tattoo?
@@xaphan8581 Still digging through my two-sentence comment to see where I accuse him of rape. Gonna find it any time soon.
As for the sex trafficking bit, you can watch the whole conversation again, the point is plain and simple: Tate has been charged for sex trafficking, with sufficient evidence for a charge. The facts right now look damning for him, but they're not enough to convict him. There's a good chance he did commit sex trafficking, but we'll have to wait for an actual conviction with more evidence. It's that simple, there are no unsubstantiated guesses here, just looking at the facts of the matter.
As for the girl who came out with the video, from my understanding she's still working with him. Hence why that evidence is not as relevent as Tate's potential admission. If a politican X was charged for a crime, obviously there is a good chance that politicians that work with or for him will run defense for him. But any such defense rings hollow when politican X publicly admitted to his crimes. The same is true for Tate. The question is how much of what Tate has said is true. What he's said is more than enough to bring forth charges and detain him ("lol it was a joke" is not a reasonable defense). As for a conclusive conviction, we'll have to wait and see and accept the results, whichever they may be. Again, fairly simple.
@@xaphan8581 coercing or manipulating someone is also considered sex trafficking.
Reminder Pearl polled her chat (10k viewers) on who won and the final result was 52/48 in Destiny's favor despite the vast majority of viewers being Tate and Pearl fans since this was done live on her channel. Also there were only like 1.5k ppl watching on Destiny's site DGG, mostly chatting among themselves and not interacting much with Pearl's YT chat.
The chat was members-only too. Not sure if that applied to the poll too though.
@@ahamed4152 yes, whe your own audience votes against you, you lost big.
You don't know that the majority of viewers were tate fans. Destiny hyped and promoted this debate for a while and he can get 10k concurrent viewers.
That's actually pretty insane. I've run into a few of her videos on tiktok and her fans basically huff Tate's farts, so that's honestly impressive.
@@UltimatePiccolo Bruh, ya gotta cool your jets replying to every comment on the video defending Tate
If this dude says “You as a white man” one more time to try and say he couldn’t possibly understand this situation. I’m going to commit 💀
In a video game?
I'm hoping this is metaphorically
On git
Literally lol as I’d Andrew tate wasn’t seen as white until he started getting backlash
You're going to kermit sewer side?
“Legal expert” rambles for 5 minutes claiming various things that makes it obvious he hasn’t done more than 10 min worth of background research on Tate.
Destiny responds for 60 seconds to correct various lies, and is immediately interrupted for “talking too long”.
This “legal expert” guy is in wayyyyy over his head, I feel a little bad
content of his argument aside; god he was super frustrating to listen to with all his cringy bullshit little debate tactics.
The lawyer is an incel🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@anonymouspreme3425 Not a lawyer by any standard, just a self=proclaimed "expert", but yes 100% incel, at least until his dad buys him a hostage, oh, I mean a "wife".
@@slain4ever he used tactics he picked up from scam, online charisma/confidence courses, I’d imagine. The constant need to force alignment on points Destiny hadn’t remotely agreed with him on was rich but weaselly. The constant “So I think we both agree (proceeds to state deliriously stupid point)” was absurdly transparent.
Unfortunately I think Destiny caught this early on and realized this dude is likely a fraud in way over his head, so he went far too easy on him.
@@saheerumar2443 i don't think destiny did enough, I think only a couple of times did he push back on these tactics. Like when he was cut off for saying "i think" and then just replaced it with "it's a fact that".
That so called legal expert was extremely condescending. Endlessly talking down to Destiny and saying over and over, "I've explain..." these points to you, as if Destiny is just too dense to understand. Hot air balloon in human form.
I find it so freaking funny that the strongest defense for Tate is literally SJW talking points😂
"You just talked for ages"
Destiny: *Spoke for 1 minute*
We're living in a world where a person who looks like a Bond villain, has various passports, chose a country because he considered law enforcement to be bribable and is trained in martial arts, is in prison for multiple crimes, and an international following of frustrated men is _actually_ defending him publicly. There's only one difference to a Bond villain: He hasn't yet talked directly on camera about his crimes. Oh wait, he actually did. Multiple times. Bragadaciously.
Again no of that is in the court documents 🤦🏻♂️
@@Marquee1911 bro he said it on film
@@angrystomata3844 that’s not WHAT HES BEING INVESTIGATED FOR😭🤦🏻♂️
Tik tok and only fans 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
NOT THE WEBCAM BUSINESS, THATS WHATS ON THOSE VIDEOS
Not a Destiny fan but damn.. he didn't deserve this waste of time.
I don’t know Destiny very well but he did great against this guy who was basing a good deal of his content on his feelings.
I love listening to people cope about things the man admitted to doing multiple times.
he was just joking brooooo! He's a character!!! - every cope
That’s one of the things that so insane to me. He’s recorded bragging about it, and they’re defending this shit. All the right wing is obsessed with calling, trans people and gay people sex traffickers, yet when one of them is actually guilty of it crickets or a defense.
@@fifiadan yeah besides sex trafficking and fraud he’s a total angel 😇
I hope you realize in court every joke you've ever said can be taken seriously.
U guys are the one coping none of the possible chargers have nothing to do with the cam buisness keep coping I don't even like him but ur just uneducated social media lawyers
Andrew grew up in Luton which is not even close to a "ghetto". Also, "bottom bitch" is not a slang term in the UK, it comes from US pimp culture.
If the word comes from the us pimp culture that pimps uses as slur/slang to describe there lowest earning ho... Are you ok??
It’s one of the worst places in the UK to live
Thank you Ryan… it literally means most profitable whore…
The one with the background in law is not very informed. No international laws were broke
@@Kourtis123 by what metric? this reads like the opinion of someone rural, who refers to London as "The Big Smoke"
The court addressed the whole "it's just an act you can't take what he says online seriously " excuse
"The defenses of the defendants lawyers that what the defendant said via the Internet does not reflect the reality cannot be accepted. On the contrary, these claims, as shown above, were actually put into practice"
bro this guy unironically spoke 95% of the time, and than complained when destiny spoke for literally 30 seconds uninterrupted.
Destiny's lover body is here
Also can we appreciate how diligently Destiny is writing down notes to make sure he has all the details his opponent is making.
It’s what you’re supposed to do in a debate
🤦🏻♂️ this comment is sad haha. Should we congratulate Destiny for breathing as well?
@@Ivang017 bro swear you just hating to just hate
@@ryanegrrgrg5174 you are just loving destiny too much? that also might be the case lol
wow you got down on your knees real quick, the zipper wasnt even open
Andrew tate is damn destiny color and he really said the “ black man “ argument he lost after that immediately
As a black woman I was shocked that even came up 😂🤣🤣
"Destiny color" 😅
Yes, and saying white people have no culture is the most racist thing you can actually say to a white person. And he did not even called out for it.
@@zigazdovc6175 "White" "People" have no shared culture
Black descendents of slaves have a shared history
@@zigazdovc6175 I thought it was more racist to say that the way Andrew talks is just how black people who grew up in the ghetto talk. Like whoah, you view all poor black people that way? Wtf.
The amount of sneaky times this guy kept saying "we agree" is hilarious. Either he's an idiot and doesn't realize they don't really agree or he's being sneaky on purpose.
He was attempting to save face.
This dude is so frustrating, saying everything destiny says is his "feelings" but that's literally just the way destiny speaks. He's saying that there isnt enough evidence yet they're being held. If it's not any opinion he wouldn't be here talking about his opinion. He would just wait for the outcome
Bros just saying his opinion then passing it off as fact
I agree. Plus, he keeps harping on about reasonable suspicion indeed being met and then tries to act like the accusations are completely unreasonable and based on no evidence. Clearly not... there is enough evidence for reasonable suspicion which is the only threshold that needs to be met right now. It boggles the mind how he can be considered an expert in anything
Black man? Why do these people stoop so low to protect criminals? It's not just Andrew, it's Tristan too.
Where was this defense for black men when Ahmaud Arbery was shot in the street.
Pearl uses her ignorance as a cop out as soon as someone proves her wrong, and then she holds such a strong positions without any actual information
Kinda like lav huh?
"I don't know.... I'm just saying I've seen...." "Don't use exceptions to the rule. I know people personally that..."
@@KingAwesomeOutputs she’s dead so let’s keep her dead PLEASE
Saw this exact comment somewhere else.
After seeing the Blueface livestream and now this one and the one today with Destiny, Pearl and that other girl, I’m starting to see this more and more with Pearl when someone really puts her in a position to get out of her comfort zone and she has to acknowledge it rather than when she’s on with emotional feminist. Still love Pearl’s content, but now I’m seeing it.
How does this "legal expert" not know if someone needs to be licensed as an "international lawyer" or not...?
You do not need to prove that someone has committed a crime “beyond a reasonable doubt” to bring forth charges. If that were the case, the judge evaluating the evidence could just convict the suspect immediately without a trial. That is the point of a trial in front of your peers: to dig deeper into the evidence and have a jury evaluate whether or not the defendant’s guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. You just need “reliable and admissible evidence” that shows “probable cause” in order to press criminal charges. Reasonable doubt is for winning a trial: not pressing charges.
Edit: And to commit a search/seizure before pressing formal charges, you only need reasonable suspicion. This is not exclusive to Romania. This is also the case in the U.S. For example, an officer has reasonable suspicion to pull someone over for drunk driving if they are swerving and running red lights. Once they give a sobriety test and breathalyzer that confirms they are drunk, then they have probable cause to press charges. Either way, a cop wouldn’t need to know “beyond a reasonable doubt” that the driver is drunk before pulling him over.
True, except I don’t think they use juries in continental law.
@@elenah1384 That wasn't the topic at hand when the lawyer mentioned "reasonable doubt." He initially said that the Romanian Feds didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that the Tates committed crimes "beyond a reasonable doubt" when they were arrested. He then proceeded to say that an arrest can't be made unless you have enough evidence to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard before a judge, which is not true. You only need probable cause backed by evidence that would be admissible in court. Given this, the arrest of the Tates isn't the perversion of justice that the lawyer is insinuating. The judge, in this case, recognized that there was enough reasonable suspicion for the Tates to be arrested and their homes searched, thus they were. And given that Tate himself has bragged on video about hypothetically using his multiple passports to flee legal trouble, he and his brother were deemed a flight risk and thus are being detained while these searches are happening at their properties. They did this to themselves. And I don't think any non-clout-chasing, reputable international lawyer of merit would represent them given how much damning evidence has already been revealed, and it's only pieces of evidence that have been "leaked." The "international attorney" that the Tates have allegedly hired has represented sleazy people like Jussie Smollet and Chris Brown: bottom of the barrel cases that only publicity-driven law practitioners would even give the time of day.
@@cmclase93 Absolutely, I agree with everything you say, I think the Romanian authorities are doing their job. I suspect sex trafficking will be a difficult thing to prove because of the psychological element and it’s not easy to get girls as witnesses.
@@cmclase93 I scrolled so many comments to find this one. Pretty much every western country uses the threshold of probable cause to issue arrest, which is far lesser than "beyond a reasonable doubt". I'm assuming he takes this stance as some "reasonable defense" for his detained Muslim brothers in Gitmo.
I live in America so it may be different, but you also don't have to automatically turn over evidence that you are not going to be using in a court case. The defense can always request stuff like video footage and what not, but the only disclosure that HAS to be done during the discovery period is the evidence that the prosecution is planning on introducing in the trial.
This 'legal expert' is really flexin' those Hustler University law creds.
Well if that’s true. Destiny got bodied hard by a hustler university legal expert which is sad. All of destiny’s points were completely demolished. I was shocked.
@@Ivang017 He is actually a real attorney practicing in Illinois
@@khalidroos9359Jesus you really just go make those false comments everywhere. You already know what you said is not true, is daddy tate giving you money or did he brainwash you enough to just go around lying to defend him?
@@Ivang017 bodied? That britt walked all of his points back when confronted by Destiny.
@@HenkeBenkeBus you have issues with comprehension. He argued well although erratic his points were sound
Its hilarious when he said "prove it as a fact" then destiny flips it and he just fucking fumbles the bag
I just about died when he said "Oh 'bottom bitch' is just slang."
Yes, it's slang... Slang used exclusively by pimps!
what's so funny about that to me, is that tate always mentions that he is so well spoken :D
I'm from the UK, no one uses the phrase "bottom bitch"
And gays.
And gay men too. Plot twist, Andrew Tate is gay!
@@SASMADBRUV7 Its not UK slang, its pimping slag. Its a term for your top trusted prostitute who also works for you basically as a manager; recruiting, handling finances and business etc. Tate's 2 "bottom bitches" are Georgiana Naghel and Luana Radu. They were both arrested with the Tate brothers.
my favorite part was when Pearl barely talked
If this guy is on your legal team...you're going to jail.
Fortunately for defendants everywhere... he doesn't actually practice law, nor is he qualified to: Pearl introduced him in the way she did because he isn't a lawyer, and has straight zero actual legal experience at all, his "background in law" is just an undergrad degree.
To be fair he had a few points...destiny really couldn't respond to
They agree on most things
He relied more on documents for his best points
Destiny relied more on RUclips vids to counter them, because there was no other way.
Destiny started from the weaker position given the evidence , but did great with what he had.
To say only Destiny was strong here is delusional.
Better delusional than dishonest I guess
@@jordancole5671 I think both relied equally as much on the court documents. Maybe name a point where he got destiny. As to the RUclips stuff etc. I get why he would call upon these things seeing as tates character is in question
@@jordancole5671 name a point on which he got destiny?
@ircas89
The point about the girl not being seen by a specialist yet she was labeled brainwashed
Collating and cataloguing a chronological timeline of evidence is a huge undertaking. Imagine having to sift through hours of ct footage, email, texts etc that correspond with each and every woman AT claims to have been “working “ with. In order to present an airtight case you have to have your shit together, that takes time. The Asian guy was jarring I don’t know how destiny sat through that. I don’t know how I sat through that
Same, I am really making a concentrated effort to listen to all of it -the Tate’s content-and some of it is like hammering a nail into your brain. Both of the are narcissists and gas light everyone. Even in the same video the literally contradict themselves multiple times, when pinned down the my gas light the interviewer.
He literally admitted to fraud how do people still think hes innocent?
it's all cope
Fraud is different then Human Trafficking, Sex Trafficking, and Rape.....come on
@@oscarperez9783 I gotchu gimme a min
@@oscarperez9783 Destiny has a video where he did a research stream watching a bunch of the original videos of Tristan and Andrew. You could get the videos from there and watch them in full for yourself
@@shogo359 but will you admit at the very least he's a scammer?
If Andrew doesn't like the Romanian Court System, maybe he should have just picked a better place to live. It says something about his decision making! He needs to take accountability for his choices! (As pearl always says)
You should be able to chose where you live. It’s not like he moved to Afghanistan
@@LovelyDrop And so you have to abide by that place's law lol.
@@iap5650 nobody said he isn’t. The problem is by that countries law standards they aren’t going by it correctly. They don’t have enough evidence to be able to detain him for as long as they are. That’s the issue. They aren’t argueing about him being investigated. It’s about the unlawful time he’s been detained for the lack of evidence presented
@@Mblazo289s but at the same time its a different country. So I understand where ur coming from but its not America. Some countries are actually really fucked up so idk bro. 180 days in jail without adequate evidence to have or start a trial. Thats a little weird to me but he chose to go there so 🤷🏾♂️
@@Mblazo289 how do you know what evidence they have? Are you apart of the investigation? We don't know everything they have.
I cannot understand for the life of me what it is about Andrew Tate, that hypnotizes and bewitches these men to defend him blindly, ignoring all logic, all reason, all evidence, all words that that man has said out of his own mouth! I just don’t understand it! is he like a father figure to them? Why are they so blind? This is really troubling!
Because the male figures in their lives are either non existent or are not as cool. Sadly these guys would look up to tate before their own father or other positive role models.
Cult of personality is a hell of a thing. It's not exclusive to actual cults to have a similar impact on people. Think of what it takes to break a person down enough to join a cult. Think of what Tate did to get women to cam for him. He did the same to his male audience, just without the extra effort of breaking them down because the men either already were broken down (depressed, in a huge transitional period of their life, already had a weak sense of self, or other things that can make a mind vulnerable to influence) or genuinely agreed with his takes on women already. There's more to it then that, but my comment is already long.
Or maybe… and this is a wild observation…. People have different perspectives on things.
Misogyny isnt exclusively a white thing
It's funny when you think about it but all of Tate's fanboys think its pathetic to simp over a woman but they don't seem to think its pathetic simping for a guy who's nothing more than social media grifter lol.
Everyone in a debate should have 2 live timers: total time spoken by a person and the time of current response. It should be visible to the stream and the people in the debate. That would shut up 90% of allegations of "speaking for too long" against destiny
I like this, they should use one of those button clocks that counts down like in chess
And a counter for evertime someone is cut off during their rebuttal, they get that much time x 2 seconds back added to their conclusion.
The whole “US lawyer” argument could have been addressed by asking where the US lawyer is licensed to practice law. Being licensed in the US doesn’t mean you have the same privileges of a lawyer in every other nation on earth. There are some differences even on a state level in the United States, so idk why they think they can just hand wave the fact that he already has counsel on record in Romania.
Shhhh don't let people think the US doesn't have full power through every aspect on all places on earth.
I can’t remember what the legal term is, but there is in most countries the ability to request permission from the court to act as a barrister/lawyer when not in your licensed jurisdiction. But that’s actually besides the point, the US lawyer was intended to launch a case in a different “district” that pertains to international matters and has the remit to do so. Not granting access of some sort is neither fair nor legitimate.
The Romanians already addressed it, she was a US lawyer and wasn’t allowed, she didn’t even speak the language, she was just a mouthpiece added and having her as a woman just a chess move.
The fact he's equating breaking out of prison as being the same as cutting off an ankle bracelet fucking blows my mind.
I work CPS. The kids on my caseload who cut off their ankle monitors all the time. It's not like some full metal explosive neck collar from a movie.
But do you think Top Gs with Brain Force Plus Ultra could figure out how to use scissors?
This whole thing was just embarrassing for the reporter dude but that took the cake. You could see how nervous he got trying to dance around that one, and eventually walking it back when Destiny was trying to pin him down on it. What a fucking toolbag, talk about ideologically driven holy shit he has zero integrity.
Not to mention the guys were basically hiding and only got caught due to a pizza box - they've got established behaviour. Of course they'd try to flee when they've already tried to hide. both are forms of avoidance.
@@Nazareadain They lived in a mansion in Romania, the authorities knew exactly where they were that was a stupid theory put forward by reddit. Never listen to anything those morons say, reddit attracts people who desperately want to be smart because they're incapable of achieving anything in real life.
The reason they dont want him out is probably because he could interfeer with the investigation! I cant believe people arent saying that..
This dude is the physical embodiment of r/confidentlyincorrect
Which one?
@Kiyotaka Ayanokoji yes
The problem is that the "Law expert" is so down to exonerate the Tates WITHOUT even having the trial itself. Like he wants to basically SKIP the trial. Then pushes his feelings into it as "proof" but then when pushed with them he'll put it in a pedestal by saying "Ah this is international law/EU law" to handwave everything.
What you're saying is your opinion. He's stating FACTS.
Edit: /s since that wasn't clear.
Ask him if he thinks people receive a fair trial for eating bacon in Saudi Arabia?
@@Ouzzel he is not stating any facts, that’s the problem. He starts right of with he feels that detention for investigation is unacceptable to HIM and then goes on and on about what he feels is wrong with European legal systems. None of that is fact, it’s all his feelings.
@@kaleanea5 I was mocking what he was saying towards the end about everything destiny saying just being a opinion.
@@Ouzzel wow, I‘m sorry, to many Tate fan boys in here, who really mean this things.
if you were a millionaire and this guy wrote your will your family would somehow inherit soul crushing debt
He’s not a lawyer, I would not let him review any legal situation.
He says tate is a positive role model who helps young men, but what about the men ruined by his camming business? The men who lose everything in casinos? What about those?
His mlm scam too. Literally his entire business profile is manipulating men into giving him money
Pearl and Sneako in the constant battle of who wants to take it up the arse more from Tate.
But what is destiny doing ? Exactly
@@picklespickle1641 How would destiny be “Taking it up the arse” when he is constantly against argumets for Tate?🤨
@@solomonthomas5001 Because he can’t stop talking about tate,
@@solomonthomas5001 Because he can’t stop talking about tate,
@@picklespickle1641 you seem new
Imma need to see evidence of this man’s legal background because how is destiny sounding more educated/knowledgeable about the law than he is 😂😂
Destiny didn't though? destiny had nothing but speculation and brought up irrelevant points that don't make up the charges.. He basically straw manned... if you think destiny won here you're nothing but a delusional fan boy...
@@nevswain478 weak bait, try more
@@lilthreadd but he straw manned 😢
@@nevswain478 Do better next time
He’s not a lawyer. He just has an undergrad degree where he took some classes about law
I thought the "write on paper with pen but no hard surface" was an excellent mini game. I think it would be fun to see more mini games included in debates =)
😂 I hated the lack of a hard writing surface so much
@comradebounce it reminded me of that Men in Black scene lol. I was waiting for someone to drag a table over
The cctv thing "sounds" stupid, there could be good evidence of either innocence or guilt. But how many hours of footage is there? How much of the house does it actually cover? And what parts does cover and not cover? That could be why they didn't use it. But then again I don't know what they know or see what they see
Really frustrating how this dude makes such poor arguments about Tate's innocence and then goes on to make arguments with his innocence as a core assumption. That's what's in question
the arguments he makes are GREAT points lol.
he literally cite sources and even is RIGHT about there is no proof, which Destiny himself agrees.
you have to assume people is innocent until proven guilty, why are you not being fair with this?
@@forproject1666 tell us one great point he makes, just one.
@@forproject1666 no he didn't. All he did was assume innocence and say "gess whot"
@@forproject1666 yeah I'm curious too what great points this "lawyer" made, he litterally said that the prosecutors are required to present all of their evidence to the judge just to be able to keep them in detention which is straight up wrong cause that is something they are suppose to do on a trial.
also destiny did not agree that there is not enough evidence to convict he said that as of now there is indeed reasonable suspicion to keep them in detention cause the truth is no one really knows the extent of evidence the prosecutors holds as of now.
lastly the the "do not have enough evidence to convict" is very sus it seems to be a mistranslation or just blissful ignorance on his part, as far as I know that was about the rape charges that one of the girls wanted to file on tristan, it has nothing to do with the charges againts tate and their human traficking business.
this "lawyer" said a lot of dumb things, so I was really curious what good points he made.
The Tate defenders online “there is no evidence” Also them “well the evidence is weak” 😂
Australian Lawyer here, anyone that quotes international law as a reason has nothing to go on. Destiny is speaking really well as to international law is usless until incoprated into the goverment. Even then the Romain legal system when you get to this point is super good. I wouldnt doubt if andrew did what he did in American it would be a simlair situation. I am glad they wrote "Legal Expert" cause he speaks like an undergrad at their first moot.
Edit: THE RIGHT HAS GOOD LAWYERS THAT LIKE TO TALK WHY DRAG THIS GUY OUT
Exactly! Plus bear in mind that it is the client who chooses whoever he wants to present him in court. And they are also completely ignoring that the time you change or add lawyers to your ongoing case is valuable time you lose instead of working up a defense strategy, unless you have no confidence in your current team and want to change them out of course.
God help anyone who this "legal expert" is helping in a professional capacity.
He’s just a self appointed legal analyst.
that guy defending tate is insufferable
Fucking true
Most Muslims are
some say he is spreading for tate. he doesn't even know it's haram to spread for a guy 😂
Watching it live, seeing the "legal expert" throw racial jabs at destiny was so embarrassing. Otherwise I enjoyed the "debate" even though it wasn't since they didn't really hard disagree with each other near the end, since the whole Andrew Tate fiasco is still ongoing and speculations drawn on both sides.
These Romanians don't wanna see a black muslim brutha succeed just like Allah intended. pale ol Destiny could never understand the struggle. 😔
Destiny:
Lawyer Guy: "Ok, I'll answer your question"
@@Pheonixesswe are told not to believe anything Tate says online as he is in character so why are you believing he actually became Muslim.
its embarassing and racist. How ironic of him to talk about racism yet go by a racist one drop rule! So "woke".
"Maybe because you grew up in a white household" meanwhile all of his Hispanic elders living in his childhood home are literal first generation immigrants, priceless. If only destiny was a little darker toned.. these people would have no where to reverse racism him like this
I feel like tate declared himself a Muslim for the purpose of having them jump to his defense in a situation like this, it's so weird how they don't see that.
A reason why I dont follow any religion, most are Sheep.
Proselytizing religions like Islam and Christianity are pretty quick to accept converts and in some cases simply publicly declaring the faith. There are of course exceptions that require a little more effort, but overall it’s pretty simple to be accepted just by declaration.
He converted because he got a big pay check by Saudis
I think AT’s view is that God is a “mob boss, “ and you gotta show him some respect .
More like he converted so he can safely flee to Dubai, where he bought property last year... the UAE might comply with extradition of non-Muslim expats... but do you think they would extradite a Muslim brother .?. 1
JustPickMe things is definitely peaking this year. Only a matter of time til she's irrelevant and there's a new one out
What’s up with side of RUclips with the weird nick names lmao. It’s so weird but funny.
Just like tate
Ooooouch!! Did you really have to go there 😂
Oooooof 🤣
@@honestrat0330 Yea, I dislike when people call her a grifter. She genuinely believes the stuff she's saying, she's just clueless a lot of the time. Doesn't help she confirms her bias of women when she lives in a big city, and gets girls on her show the way fresh'n'fit do.
These people have hit levels of cope that I didn’t think was possible.
To be clear, having an LLB does not make you a "legal expert" at all. You know jack shit until you qualify (i.e. qualifications + 2 year training period with qualifying work). Even then your knowledge will be limited to the areas you trained in and generally surface level.
He has a PhD. Nice try though
And what does Destiny got? A twitch degree? 😂 like what the fuck are you arguing.
@@KnightHQ in European criminal law? I haven’t seen that if so, doesn’t specify on his Twitter bio.
I like how beard guy started out saying Romania had violated international law, got destroyed, and immediately switched to "Minorites get oppressed under international law and that's wrong!".
At the end of the day, it all comes down to whether or not the Tates' previous statements are admissable, and whether or not the jury believes that destiny is a girls name.
It's so rewarding to watch the Tate simps squirm. Take this guy for instance, you can see he was super confident in his story and defense of Tate, but once Steven started poking holes in it, he started veering off into whatever direction he could.
It was actually the other way around. Destiny gave up arguing some points and majority of his points were completely demolished.
@@Ivang017 example?
@@Ivang017lol, you are as out of touch as this “legal expert”. Absolute clowns.
Destiny: *sits there with blue hair*
Lawyer dude: “and what you’re saying is, ‘guess what?’.”
What on earth is a "legal expert"? Did he actually study law? Has he passed a bar exam? Or has he just read books about the law?
So Pearl believes woman and men are different (rightfully so) - then shouldn’t the use of psychological manipulation be a valid argument for women to use since we know they’re biologically reacting to the “lover boy” method? It’s not just “well they made that choice”. There’s a lot of predatory manipulation going on.
It makes me so angry when Pearl chooses to ignore this!
Poor women. They fleeced horny men by just looking pretty and made thousands of dollars out of it because they wanted daddy tate's approval. I think I'll go cry now
@@honestrat0330 in fact the Tates made videos claiming they use their camgirl bussiness to catfish and scam men out of their money
I admit, I don't always agree with Destiny but it is a fresh of breath air to find a left leaning individual who can argue in good faith and with good arguments, even if you don't agree with the conclusions.
exactly. i appreciate destiny so much for this.
The right doesn’t argue in good faith or with good arguments. The fuck do you mean?😂😂😂
i honestly don't get how you wouldn't: 'agree with his conclusion' here.
I lean right, and agree with destiny on a lot of things. Tate included. He's helped me get out of my dumb redpill conspiracy phase where I thought I knew the truth of the universe like sneako 😂
@@prettyokandy230 There's no evidence Tate did anything wrong and Myron from FnF thoroughly refuted the "victims" claims while 2 of the alleged victims have already come out to the court defending Tate. It's quite clear Tate is innocent.
“And I’ll explain why” -proceeds to not explain why
He literally explained every point. he can explain it for you but he cant understand it for you bro
timestamp where he didn't explain a point he said he'd explain?
@@irealzzin3521 can you explain where he was right?
@@eldertoguro1 everything guy said was antagonistic in nature and based on feelings. Can you tell me other than opinion, why the Tates should be released?
@@phoenix___7747 Did i say i think the tate's should be released? I asked a simple question
I don’t think this “legal expert” realizes how trials work… they haven’t even charged Tate yet, the prosecutor has ZERO reason to put the entire case on the table until trial, right now they just need enough to keep Tate in jail. Would you present a half-baked presentation to your boss?
They coul literally watch any true crime show, even some of Tate Trump fans kept saying for years Hillary hadnt been arrested because they were "building up the case" or "making a bulletproof case"
He's not actually a lawyer, his "background in law" is an undergrad degree. The man is a journalist.
@@matthewyoho5422 that's why he's on a youtube talk show instead of actually practicing at some firm
@@fatroachandthinrodent1718 Well, again, there's also the critical bit where he's not actually a lawyer who even *could* practice law at a firm, since he doesn't possess the requisite qualifications to do that.
Not being a lawyer wouldn't be why he's on a RUclips talk show *instead* of practicing law though, since there are plenty of lawyers kicking around RUclips.