XLT Orders Open up | Ford Raises F-150 Lightning Prices AGAIN! (BIG ORDERING NEWS UPDATES)
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2022
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IT HAPPENED AGAIN!
Breaking news from Ford who has bumped up the price of its popular electric truck. If you have been curious about how much an f-150 lightning costs. Now they are charging $15k over the originally advertised $40,000 price tag.
There's more! Have you been wondering when you can order a F-150 lighting? Well, orders for the XLT trim of ford's f-150 lightning are now open to order for those who have been invited to make an order!
Let's take a look together in today's video 
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Thank you for keeping us up to date on your channel. I just canceled my order as the value compared to the use case just no longer makes sense for me.
It feels like Ford pulled a bait and switch on the pricing. $39k advertised ramped up to basically 60k for the same truck is really questionable.
I get demand and inflation changes but that’s a huge jump for what this truck is.
I don't thin you're alone! Just give it a year or two and I am sure you can find a 40k electric truck... maybe lol
@@larryl 40,50,60k. Just not 80k+. Just not worth it
Was that before the invitation? I don't have the option in the ford logon to cancel the order, there is no button to cancel.
70k plus truck is ridiculousness!!!
I placed my reservation June 21st of 2021. I received my invitation order November 15th. I was originally going to cancel, but my wife told me to go ahead since I had waited so long. I placed my order for a Lariat on November 20th, with package 511A, max towing, and rapid red metallic. Two weeks later, the truck was scheduled for production the week of January 16th. Since then, it has been moved to the week of January 23rd. I kept the options to a minimum to speed up production. I don't really care about cold weather range or towing capabilities. I know it's limitations going in, and have accepted them. Too many people this is a truck to replace the ICE vehicle. It is not. It is a niche vehicle at the current time.
Cant believe I'm typing this: Placed my order today. I've been waiting so long to say that! You and I have very similar thoughts Larry. XLT is a no brainer at this point since the price of the PRO could be so labile between now and when orders open up again.
Congrats Joseph 🎉
Got email Christmas Eve that my lariat Lightning was built & email this morning saying it shipped 👍🏼
Florida, picked up a new Lariat locally std battery for msrp. Larry I also bought a 48 amp Lectron charger, definitely charges faster than the stock 30 amp.
I purchased a Lariat at MSRP in Florida as well. Plantation Ford. It’s great because we can claim the entire $7,500 tax credit. I was invited to place an order for a ‘23 but ended up canceling.
in the works!
Here in central NC there are F150 Lightnings available at various Ford dealers, mostly Lariats, for around $80,000.
I’m in southern Wisconsin and I have one dealer in my village that has a platinum on them lot at msrp and then there’s the dealer in the neighboring town that is now listing the 22 lariat they had for their demo model for sale and they are asking 92k according to the site. It shows a $17,500 add on for “dealer accessories”. I thought about a pro one time but I’m totally out now and keeping my v8 ram
Considering my local dealer has a Pro on lot for$89k, I’m waiting for this stupidity to end.
Canceled my reservation and got a 23 Tundra. Ridiculous pricing from the bottom all the way up! Will trade it in for the Cybertruck when its available.
Just glad
These price increases are insane. I finally got to order a pro model in October of 2022. The base price is now almost 4k more than my build sheet price with only a few modest add ons. I’m not sure that I’m going to even buy now. I really don’t want to have to finance $62k. Like someone else mentioned, I can buy a lot of gas for that.
Just received my truck 566 days first day res holder so happy, lariat payed $84k
Put on rough country 2 inch level kit, 1.5inch wheel spacers truck looks great and added the stubby antenna
Deep dive the paint job sucks it like some one washed it with sand paper! Talking with dealer and ford.
Get mine in 2 days. XLT with tow package. But after hearing about range loss in winter and living in Mn I’m not so sure now…..
I was an original reservation holder, finally got a chance to order last month. Crazy the Lariat went up $10K, now the EV- Lariat compared to a ICE F150 lariat are $20k+ more. Lightning at nearly $90K or even a XLT for over $80K- NO WAY. Here in Indiana, I found a 2022 Lightning lariat, dealer wanted $20K over MSRP $100K
You can purchase a lot of gas for 20k :)
@@czwhat328 before the recent prize increase was still too expensive, but only $10-12k more for an equal lariat. EV compared to ICE.. now ford Sent me a message to order a lightning, I'm holding off. Not ready to throw away that much cash
Why would you compare the Lariat to the Lariat as the interior of the Lightning Lariat is comparable to the King Ranch? The King Ranch looks as if it is the 3rd trim and the Lightning Lariat is also the 3rd trim. You'll notice all the same interior design including the seats. The only difference is the panel on the seats that has the logo.
@@ronaldking1054 Overall truck itself - Lariat ICE or even a Tremor $65-75K. XLT Lightning is $80K, Lariat Pushing $90K. no way. I love my ford truck, but for that cost I would rather own a Rivian ( which also is very difficult to own ). I grabbed a NEW, F150-Tremor 22, loaded $7K UNDER invoice. can get 500-600 miles on a tank of fuel. EV trucks just are not worth the cost. Maybe in 10 years down the road.
@@marcm8209 Yes, but then you conveniently compare a $74k truck with a $57k truck instead of the $74k truck.
Hey Larry, I hope you have since gotten a production date since this video posted. I now have a delivery date of 01-03-3023 thru 01-09-2023. My build is a Lariat; iconic silver; with power deployable running boards. My order date was 11-15-2023. Ford is really starting to ramp up production. Just a quick heads up, hopefully you have yours soon!
I was able to order an XLT this evening. I was standing in line at the airport when the text came through and I jumped on it. What I am disappointed about (outside of ANOTHER price increase of course) is that I didn't notice that the 312A package is now 'only' $5k, instead of $9500. I didn't order it because I didn't see that as I was rushing. Now I'm second guessing myself and might look to see if I can change my order (I can't see a way online so will call my dealer tomorrow).
You can change it after the initial order, just contact the dealer.
They are ok with you upgrading, just don’t try and go down a trim level..
Cant change trim level once dealer approves your order
May want to try this strategy if you are interested in getting a pro trim. I did a national search and found dealers are selling there demo units of which a lot are pro trims. Was able to buy a demo pro trim with max tow, and tech package , running rails and bed liner and bed cover for 53k.
I've been trying to do this same thing but no luck so far...curious how you went about it other than just cold calls?
I have an order for a lariat with the extended battery based on the MSRP that was available in march of 2022, Ford updated my order to a 2023 in September, but said they will be honoring my original price. They said this would be adjusted at time of delivery (feb 2023). I’m waiting to see if I will have any issues with this promise when the car comes in
To pull my little Airstream( 4000lbs )I would have to stop and charge every 1/1/2 hr and charge for an hr,,,,need more range but not going to pay an extra $20k for it ,,Ford needs to fix something fast ,,50% range loss isn’t acceptable ,,they need to include the extended range in original price and get rid of the smaller battery
My reservation opened up yesterday, am I able to move up to a Lariat?
Well…I got my email and text, multiple times to order my F-150 Lightning Lariat. BUT…I have a huge issue with Ford increasing the price. When this all first dropped, I priced out a Lariat with the extended range battery for around $78K+, which is not cheap, but doable. Then there were two price hikes and I believe the standard range Lariat was up to like $82K but then, I’d need to add another $10K+ for the extended range, so we’re now at $93K+, with no chance of getting the rebate. Additionally, I’d be selling/trading my Roush model and it suddenly felt like I was trading down 😳. So I am highly likely to forfeit my reservation and just wait.
Then the Denali EV got was announced…which looks good on paper, but I’ll wait to see. Maybe I’m not as much of a first generation adopter as I thought, or just feel suckered in by what was once a reasonably priced truck.
Eyeballing the Ioniq 5, AWD kia, and BMW
I ordered the xlt last week. But I really miss my Tesla. So I’m hoping I made the right choice. I got the new gray color SR.
The build I’ve always wanted was a Pro with Max Towing Package and Trailer Tech Package. It’s crazy that it’s $64k now.
It for sure hurts. Still haven't been invited to order. And I'm only looking at the Pro. I could care less about luxury. But, maybe when I get to order I'll be able to option an extended range Pro. Or my Cybertruck order will be ready. Who knows??? These guys all need to get it into gear.
This insane price climb was too much for me so I got the Ford Maverick. Soooooooo happy with the Maverick
I have had mine now for 2 months and love it, I purchased the XLT. I am in Canada and we only had limited selection for what we could order and the base model of the XLT is pretty much has the same options as the Lariat, only missing the bigger screen and leather seats and sun roof. I am going to try it for the winter and see may consider selling it next summer the charging infrastructure is not great in my Province so it is hard to do long distance travel.
I just ordered an XLT SR yesterday. Hopefully I’m happy with it.
I got my notice of an open reservation here in Spokane today for delivery of Spring 2023
With all the negative press about range and now seeing a small finder bender in the front could cost $40k to fix, I can’t imagine how much Insurance will go up on these vehicles ,,really hard to justify when I love my Tundra,,,I can buy a lot of gas for $70k and all the money I will save yearly on license tabs and insurance ,,,not alone interest payment at 6-7% by next spring ,,,doesn’t make sense for me,,,,
Day 1 reservation, was somehow allowed on 11/15 to order a '23 PRO!!! (Standard, silver, PPO, work surface)
Has anyone, anywhere heard of a Pro Extended Range being made/sold???
Yes. I saw six ER Pros advertised on AutoTrader at a dealer in Phoenix. I called and they said "Uuummm no, they aren't for sale". Then WHY The Fxxx place an ad on Auto Trader!!!
Heres VIN of one they advertised...... 1FT6W1EVXNWG04856 ($53,824 msrp)
@@izzyryder4969 thanks for the info. Presumably delivered to a fleet...does Sunrun have an operation near there?
@@landonjensen8952 I don't know about Sunrun, I'm not local to them.
BTW, I posted the wrong VIN, just corrected my mistake.
I can't believe you didn't get your truck yet. We had the same order date...... I received my Lariat standard on black Friday..........yesterday in Michigan 2.4 kwh 98 miles round trip to work.... hang in there man ....... still worried about the cold weather range but the truck is amazing..........good luck
At least one of the Larry’s out there has their truck! Hahaha
Any F150 Lightning with the extended range is now too expensive to qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit. The lowest price is now $80974.
It's looking more and more like I made a good choice getting a Rivian.
I've given up. It's not worth it for me. I might get a Bolt EUV and just a used truck for when I need it. I can't justify spending $50,000 on any vehicle.
My dealer told me I was locked in to $39k price since I put my $100 down and reserved in Nov.'21, still haven't gotten an invite to order... Anyone else been promised this??? I'll have to go back and check with them again...
Hate to tell you this, but it is highly unlikely you will get that $39k price by now. The only exception for that price freeze was for folks who were invited to order back at the beginning of 2022 and decided to extend their reservations. You will most likely have to pay the then-current price at the time of ordering, and the price appears to be increasing every few of months.
In my case building date week of 12/05 (no info yet if built) I won’t qualify for the rebate if I get delivered next year 🤦🏻♂️
Lariats for retail sale are probably all SRs, useless.
The range of an SR Lariat compared to a Pro is dismal.
Larry, you need to check with your dealer to make sure they removed the advanced security system; heated steering wheel and weight scale feature from your order. Otherwise your order will not be selected for production per Tim Bartz. I just ordered my Lariat ER on 11-15-2022 and got selected for production 11-19-2022. My build week is 12-19-2022 and blend date is 12-21-2022.
Hey Larry, you mentioned in your video that there are a few dealers near you that are selling lightnings at MSRP. Could you let me know where they are? Or if anyone else knows of any as well. TIA!
I should say all the msrp ones I see are lariat ER and platinum. And they are in zero emissions states. They seem to have the lightning on the lots
Aha! Thanks and probably over my budget!
I’m out. I keep getting calls that lariats are available. But I’m not going to get something that I don’t want only bc it’s available. I’ll wait or move on.
I finally got to order my lightning yesterday I was going to go with the XLT with the extended range battery and when I compared it to the lariat it had everything standard I was adding to the XLT and only a little bit more with a lot more goodies so I pulled the trigger on the lariat will see whether not I keep it when it comes in thanks keep up the good reporting
I feel like a broken record, but I entered the "line" thinking I'll get something around $40k and maybe get a tax credit. Now I'm looking at a definite tax credit but $10k more out of pocket regardless.
I get that it's a "deal" compared to the market. But good lord. People give Tesla shit for adding thousands every few months, I feel like ford deserves it even more with these numbers.
I realize it's only $100 down, but I really feel like they should've either asked more money (maybe $1000 down) and locked in pricing or not done anything at all. That said, if enough people are buying, who cares what I think? 😆 just feels like I'm burnt in the brand and never even got a vehicle to actually hate.
Will I get the full tax credit next year tho??
Why would they sell you a 40k truck when they can sell you lariat and platinum trims!
The EPA range is reportedly based on the Pro model. I heard that if Ford stops making enough Pro models they lose 240 miles EPA range test estimate and must put a lower range estimate on the window stickers of all standard range battery models. The same is true for the ICE models if they do not produce enough of the various types of engines for the F150 the EPA can require them to produce more with the higher mileage engines.
Larry, did u go with another Model Y?
I was looking for a y when I stumbled on an older model x for a screaming good deal. So far it’s checking every bud for me. Fast, fully electric, kids fit nicely, plenty of storage.
Here is an email I got from my local dealer for the demo unit they have for sale now....Ya, no thanks!
Good afternoon,
This is Willie at Ford of Clermont. Please find attached the Window Sticker to the available 2023 Ford F150 Lightning.
We are asking :
MSRP $ 99,840.00
Marekt Adjustment 49,995.00
Clermont Advantage 2,495.00
Total $ 152,330.00
Please let me know what I can do to assist.
My ordered Lariat ER was finally built last week. Ship date unknown. I cancelled immediately. This truck is no longer worth with it even with my locked in MY22 pricing.
I think they are increasing prices so they can release an electric ranger or maverick around $40k in a year or so.
Ordered a lariat with group 511a , star white paint, max tow retails at $89k for a 2023 it’s on the rail car headed to Texas. Ordered first wave.I’ll get tax credit because I’ll have it under IRS rules for sales commitment under first ev credit before tax change. Have to have it this month.
got my invite to order again today. First one expired Dec 1st, only Lariat available at 74k. Now the XLT is available but starts at 64k (up from 59k for xlt in October on my first invite to order). Yea no thanks. I really think market will be down come spring when their estimated delivery is. I'm already seeing SUVs listed for 3-5k below MSRP, today.
We were in the same order wave. I ordered on 9/7, production week 10/24, blend date 10/25, on chip hold until 12/9 so now built and waiting shipment. Expected delivery 12/20 to 12/27. Crazy how Ford is picking and choosing who can order and when.
Same order date, nada from ford
Thanks for the content. I ordered a couple weeks ago and the XLT was not available, wish it was though. Might be good to analyze a lease vs buy for the orders that don’t qualify for the tax credit.
Lease is useless since you can’t buy it out.
Lariat hasn't changed in price (since Oct 19), still starting $74,474
Guys you can't complain about the price and proceed to buy it.
I got the invitation the same day as you, 9-7 and ordered the XLT with the max tow and 9.6 power and things. I know they are deleting the heated steering. I did not check the smart scales delete because I wanted that, but I don't know without calling the dealer if Ford deleted it for me, but they sent me the VIN and my build date is January 9th, so I assume it will make it out here by February.
I whipsaw daily on canceling or keeping it because I don't know when the Silverado EV will be available, but each time Ford increases the price I lean more towards keeping it even if I actually only drive it for a year or so before I can get the longer range Silverado or Cybertruck if they aren't priced in the stratosphere
I figured this would be happening. All those who still think the price of EV's are going to drop in the near future are living in a fantasy world.
I look for EV truck prices to continue to rise in the future.
I agree. I think with the flipping and the markups, Ford said screw it, why are we shorting ourselves.....
So that defeats the purpose of converting the lower income masses to "cleaner" EV power. The majority will just buy another ICE vehicle because that's all they can afford. I was going to be a new EV convert until prices went batshit crazy. Going shopping for a loaded ICE truck now. Screw the planet! Leave that for the rich to worry about.
@@izzyryder4969 I’d put my money on most people buying Ev’s don’t care about saving the planet anymore than someone who buys a Ice vehicle. I don’t foresee ice vehicles completely going away. Ev’s are just an alternative fuel source. Think of all the ways we generate power…Solar, wind, coal, water, nuclear.
FYI, my closest Ford dealer has a Lightning demonstrator just sitting on the lot, no one is driving it. Doesn't seem to have any interest here in north WI. 😕
im in north texas and my near by ford dealer has a Lighting Demo too and it just sit on the parking lot and no one driving it.
and i went there for test drive the Lighting since i submit the order. I asked them why it sitting at the lot all the time.
He said they allow to test drive for reservation holder only. I am not sure its Ford's policy or just for that dealer.
I posted on another one of your videos just realized it was an old one.
I got my invitation today to convert I'm a day one reservation holder in Los Angeles I was able to order an XLT I place my order within 5 minutes of receiving my text message I had already written down the specs so I was able to blaze through the order before the XLT was sold out.
The dealer has contacted me already and they will be honoring MSRP and providing me some sort of paperwork agreeing to that
Nice! Wait, is the XLT sold out again?
@@larryl I don't know I was able to order mine within 5 min of txt before it sold out I pulled the trigger
I ordered a Lariat a month or so again. Mine is built but waiting on a lot for some more components. I have a pricing sheet. I'm hoping the final price is the same as on the sheet.
Thanks, Larry You're right XLT is now $63,474. My 12/03 blend date truck with Pro Power and Max Tow, Tail Gate step, Charger ....is MSRP $64,399. Hope it comes this year!
Got it now. $65,320 OTD
Hi Larry, Ordered XLT SR Base, Only option I got was Max Tow. Overall, I hate to see the price increases, but I think its a solid buy. Im happy to trade in my V8 F150, and save big on gas $$.
If Ford is not accepting more 2023 Pro orders, why did they raise the price? The existing Pro orders are locked-in to the price when the order was accepted by Ford. My gut feeling is that we may be in for a surprise.
Ford may be required to open Pro orders to maintain its 240 mile SR range EPA rating. The rating is reportedly based on the Pro model with the XLT and Lariat getting progressively less range due to additional weight, additional power-draining options, and more aerodynamic drag. For example, the Pro does not come with running boards. Running boards represent a 3-way power loss because they (1) add weight, (2) include lights that the battery, and (3) they increase aerodynamic drag.
Larry, do you have the Advanced Security Package Removal and Heated Steering Wheel Removal on your order? That might be why you are scheduled for production yet.
Oh, would you look at that. I do have "Advanced Security Pack Inclination / Intrusion Sensor Removal". But not seeing the Heated wheel removal. You're on to something! Thanks for the message!
Would you guess my dealership/ford would let me go down to an XLT?
@larryl great question, they might be able to edit your order to an XLT. You should have them try tomorrow.
@larryl the Heated Steering Wheel Removal is required option on Lariat. Could be why it hasn't scheduled.
@@timbartz sounds like I need to have a chat around both of those things! Thanks for the expertise!
Yeah, I ended up cancelling my reservation after the second price hike. I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty burned by Ford. I've had three Ford vehicles over the years, but it looks like I'm going team Chevy. Better spec'd cars for lower prices.
They’ve realized that they can only build so many and demand is high... trying to match supply to demand so ford makes the money not the dealership.
Any idea what happens to the Pro trucks with an extended battery that they used to demo all over the country?
Those can be sold by those dealers after they've been demo units for 6 months. However, it's the Wild west. Some dealers have sold those demo units, some dealers are selling to the highest bidder.
@@JosephHerzog The ones that I see are on RUclips channels like yours, I'm not sure if they belong to a dealership. There was one RUclips post where there were like 6 different trucks out in Sonoma Valley and many different people were test driving and doing bits for their channel. Like this one: ruclips.net/video/3EUWQgrwB5A/видео.html
Or this one: ruclips.net/video/M3XqQ-CcZ1U/видео.html
Both are Pro trim with extended range.
Go ahead and add your third shift and raise your prices. We'll see a surplus soon. I got my last ICE F150 with 13k cash rebate before even negotiating. Those days will be coming back soon.
Ford bragged a ton about all of their "conquest" sales with this thing. What about the opposite of conquest sale customers? I've been a Ford guy even back when I hated american cars (always dug the mustang, daily drove one for about 4 years when I got a nice used 99 that had been modded) and my first "really an adult" new truck purchase was a 2017 f350; I was thinking I'd be a Ford guy from here on out.
Fast forward 18 months or so after a day 1 reservation; I bought a Tesla last week and get the Lightning "you can order" today. I'm now an anti-conquest customer; Ford can piss off and I'll actively tell people not to buy from them anymore after this debacle. I wonder how many other loyal customers/fans are in the same boat as me now.
If what Ford refers to as 'conquest sales' are mostly early adopters and/or speculators, Jim Farley is in for a rude awakening. Early adopters and speculators are only interested in the latest and greatest no matter who makes it. They do not have loyalty to a brand . . . only to the latest and greatest.
If I placed an order on October. Do I have to pay the new price?
I got my order option. Don’t think it’s in the cards for me. Wish it was and made sense. I would need the extended range for my weekend camping trips. Can’t afford it. Just going to wait for the R1S which I can buy for 75 then 7500 tax credit. My wife drives a telluride and the top of the line is around 55-58. Seems more realistic for us. And I know I can get my money back on that since my spec is actually 90k for new orders.
The Rivian is amazing. It will be worth the wait!
Ford is still saying that by the end of 2023, they will be producing 150,000 lightnings a year.
I haven't noticed an update on this yet but can owners of Lightning sell it whenever they want or do we still have to wait a year?
That was a dealer by dealer situation. If your dealer had you sign an agreement, you;'re locked in for a year. But most dealers didn't enforce this policy.
Everyone quotes the maximum tax credit as a discount, but in reality not everyone qualifies for the max credit amount.
Just think about if you were buying an ICE pickup. It would lose $10k or more in value just driving it off the lot. As long as the price and demand for EV trucks stays high, I think it is a safe investment. Though most people don’t consider buying a vehicle an investment. They expect it to depreciate rapidly.
I'm still waiting for my pro production date but I consider myself the lucky one that I supposedly get 2022 pricing. With all these price increases, I'm wondering how Ford might try and change my order. To be honest, if the model year 2023 pro is sold out, then the price they are showing is kinda pointless. If you are listening Ford, I'll pay an extra $10k and get my pro in extended range if that lessens the blow. ;)
I put my reservation down in Nov of '21 and I still haven't been invited to order but when I last talked to my dealer they told me I'm locked in at the $39k price... Yeah I'm pretty frustrated that I still haven't been able to order yet, I'll blow a gasket if Pro's aren't available AGAIN when I go to order....
Hope Chevy doesn't pull the same crap with the Silverado pro ev, but they will also probably jump on the wagon and put me out of the market.
I hope Chevy does like they did with the C8 Vettes.... $1000 deposit ,first come... first served.
Larry. The lightning is a half baked truck bro. Don’t do it
I got a "get ready to order" email but just cancelled my reservation. My use case ( Vehicle2Home ) was implemented with other technology at a cheaper price. So, I'm $100 richer (?) today.
Best of luck to the remaining reservation holders, I'm out.
Hey Larry, could you do a video sometime on how you sell your cars and maybe tips on things to be aware of, platforms you use, and the exchange process with another person? Thanks for the video!
Kicking myself for my fully specing out my XLT. I was out the door for $58k but I should have gotten the extended range!!!!!!!! Even my wife kicks me for not. Doing it 😅
Add the lost tax credit to the additional cost of the upgrade, and the XLT ER is $23k more. I think you made the right choice!
Must be a lot of crypto millionaires allowing these increases, along with the cheap cash out refinance a year ago
Keep in mind that this truck 🛻 will not Qualify for the new Ev tax credit.
Go get a Tesla Model 3 or a Volkswagen ID.4 instead, and if you wait to 2024, you’ll get $7,500 off at the point of sale…