Yes, self-control is needed by individuals. Also why aren't we demanding from food manufacturers that they DON'T add SUGAR to everything, and why is there so much salt in some products? You are so correct when you say American companies get you addicted to products. Like Chris Rock said, the money is not in the cure, but in the treatment. I just found this podcast and I love it!
Please redo this topic with an obesity medicine doctor. We need to explore the science and the medicine itself from the doctors in the field. This was superficial and counterintuitive to those actually struggling with obesity. Respectfully reconsider.
I love you Trevor buuut I think when doing the episodes with Christina, the guests (especially since they're not physically present) don't get as much time to impart their wisdom - and they are the expert about the topics! If anything, I'm just asking for the podcast to be longer so we can also hear their POVs!
I am a veterinarian. People often ask me (with fear in their eyes) if their dog/cat who is otherwise well, is fat. We have charts and parameters we use to gauge the BCS (body condition score) of animals. I usually show clients the chart as a guide, but then I tell them that my personal opinion is that if their pets can go for walks, play and still engage in all the activities they want to, they are doing great. I know vets who will absolutely disagree with me on that and strictly follow the chart by the way 🤷🏾♀️. Sometimes the owners are 'fat' themselves and their pets get judged by extension, so it gets complicated. Sometimes they doubt my opinion coz I am 'fat' too 🤣 Its a big topic. An animals relationship with food and their owners relationship with food, the animals lifestyle, genetics, value of food being given (cheaper kibble has more fillers), activity levels and whether they have access to play areas and so on.... In many ways similar to human obesity factors. What pets are being fed is more important than exercise when it comes to losing weight. Especially because we dont want to injure them. But people really struggle with that concept because exercise is really glamourised. Plus they hate to deny their beloved pets treats (fatty treats are often tastier) 😅 Its a really big topic 🤣
This was a much needed conversation. I appreciate everyone's take on ozempic, standards of beauty and how society treats overweight people. I do feel that majority of processed foods are created to be addictive and food addiction is another piece to this already complicated topic. I would love to hear the thoughts of someone who struggles with weight and has lived experience to further enrich this conversation.
It is funny how across Africa we find the same cultural similarities. I am of Tunisian descent and when a man gets married if he gains weight after the wedding he is considered in a happy marriage. And before the wedding they would feed the bride until she was heavy enough "to sit on and break the chest". A member of my family even called me and my husband "twigs" since we both lost ( unintentionaly) weight due to stress when preparing the wedding. So I feel you guys!!
Thank you for this conversation. Yes, self-control is part of the equation, but we know that nutrients affect our hormones and so how we respond to stimuli. What if the negative or positive stimuli has changed because of the quality of food; what it is lacking or what is being put in it? You must include in the conversation about the downfall of our society regarding fatness, the food industry. The body compensates for the lower nutrients in American food. We are eating less nutrition dense produce. Our soil is constantly being depleted of its life supporting minerals and microbiome. When I have travelled to other countries, produce if full of flavor. I eat less because I am satiated. Our brain and body will compensate with a hunger response and not feeling satiated, because we are not getting what the body needs to be healthy. So, go deeper into what a capitalist society will do to make more money at the detriment of the health of its people. This affects farming practices. Also, include in the conversation how America puts sugar in most everything. In my travels, desserts are never as sweet as they are in America.
That you for this discussion. I needed it. There was a time when I could lose weight on my own.Not so anymore. I've gotj osteoartritis in my lower back and both knees. I've fallen several times. It has taken me a long time to get up because I don't have the upper body strength. I've considered talking to a health provider about using a diet pill but so far I'm finding difficultity in bringing it up. Eventually, I'll bring it up. I know that taking any sort of medication there are side effects. I've got to take a few breaths and bring the conversion up for myself.
Amazing topic. And I love Trevor. However, I would like him to give more space to talk to his guests rather than talking over them. Everyone already knows how smart, quick-witted, and versatile he is. It would be great if experts could share their knowledge a bit more❤
I believe the idea that a large person is beautiful and remains beautiful after weight loss is a testament to the non-physical nature of true beauty. It is important that we remember the far reaching effects of obesity on health and success and feasibility of certain medical treatments. When we say we don’t know the long term effects of GLP-1 drugs, we create fear about a therapy that in some people can be life saving.
Growing up in Puerto Rico during the 1960s and 70s there was a phrase ppl would use as a term of endearment or admiration healthwise and that was "gordo y colorao" (fat and red). If you were fat, typically associated with light skin kids, it meant you were eating good thus making you healthy. If you were skinny or relatively skinny you were sick, there was something wrong with your health. At least that was the perception.
I love this show and though you all made great points but I wish that you had a more diverse panel, because for some people - obesity is not a matter of self control. Some people like myself suffer from conditions that affect hormone regulation involved in properly processing and digesting food, other folk have genetic issues, or take medications that make you gain weight or make it harder to lose weight etc. Some of us have all the discipline and will power in the world, we work out out, etc but the weight still doesn't come off. Those injections are not magic and they weight just doesn't melt off. For those of us with medical related weight gain, the injections work but it takes time and we still have to do things like watch what we eat and exercise to get the full benefit.
The conversation about health and beauty. The conversation needs to shift to healthy and accomplishing things is beautiful. Till now people value superficial cosmetics and beauty. The shift needs to be that whether you are a big frame or small frame or whatever weight, our goal shouldn't be to be sexy and beautiful it should be to be healthy and even intelligent. Knowledge is power. If education is pushed then naturally intelligent people will want to work hard to become healthier. It's why some people can be dumb as a rock with no common sense yet they are considered successful because they are attractive. Education and health should be the new beautiful.
Fat rooms are dangerous, hope little girls now will enjoy life and will not be forced to develop diabetics ! It's a deep transformation of yourself, not only physically, this is truely heartbreaking to see these women who were forced to eat until their health... is never the same again
So sad what the world has become. Ecessesive snacking was only done a party once in a while. A person ate three times a day and on a weekend outing snacks and confection would be served. Now we are raising gluttonous, overweght, sickly humans.
It's funny how Christina is "pro choice" on this drug because she has seen family benefit from the DRUG, but hallucinogens like mushrooms, which they just talked about on the podcast, are a definite NO because my kids may abuse it. I'm confused???
Trevor, I know you have this habit of using "intresting" and "fascinating" when topics of discussion arrive at a weird spot. But in general I have noticed you using them not appropriately, at least to my limted understanding of the English language. Those words, IMHO, carry a positive connotation. Correct me please if I am wrong. Try finding words that do convey negative connotations too pls. This way the true gravity/profoundness gets delivered. I know you use it to dilute the negativity to keep levity but why do so when the actual need is to call a spade a spade. I have noticed you doing this many a times in the Daily Show. Finally found it in me to share this. Apologies if I have offended you inadvertently.
Also @Trevor please stop asking your lady friend about things that happen in Nigeria...Because to us Nigerians it's obvious that she didnt grow up here and dosent know and understand the Nigeria Life style,....her Nigeria knowledge is really very low...No offense, I just wanted to let you know so you wont out that part about her on the spot...she's failed it twice that I know of, when she answered a question on Nigeria
Most Nigerian are figure 8 because we have hip and breast with a flat belly even after kids naturally. Fattening room I have never heard of in life. I lived in nigeria for 13 years of my life.
@StellaViveka Speak for yourself mate. Where are these ethnic groups in Nigeria where such fattening is still done? Trust weirdos from America to visit Africa and the only things they latch onto are weird things like women fattening rooms 🤔 The Tuaregs are the only ethnic group in West Africa that I know who practice women fattening but it's a long abandoned practice among Tuaregs.
@StellaViveka Speak for yourself mate lol. What ethnic groups in Nigeria still practice women fattening? Trust weirdos from America to visit Africa, and the only things they latch onto are weird things like "women fattening rooms. " 😆 The Tuaregs are the only ethnic group in West Africa that once practice women fattening but they long abandoned the practice.
@StellaViveka @StellaViveka Speak for yourself mate lol. What ethnic groups in Nigeria still practice women fattening? Trust weirdos from America to visit Africa, and the only things they latch onto are weird things like "women fattening rooms. " 😆 The Tuaregs are the only ethnic group in West Africa that once practiced this but they long abandoned the practice.
I feel like all three of them support ozempic use and that's really dissapointing... they didn't even mention how morally wrong it is to use ozempic only for purpose of weight loss, there are people whose lives literally depends on this drug because they have diabetes and they can't get it because of rich and out of touch people like them. My colleague who has diabetes couldn't get it for months because there was shortage of ozempic. This whole conversation was really out of touch.
I totally agree. Also, using ozempic especially when you don't need it and without proper consultation can have long term side effects and is dangerous too
It is framed through identity politics, like negative attitudes towards weight are a white thing. That is the lens through which your two guests may interpret it-they might really enjoy looking at topics through a racial lens-but when one is white the cultural phenomenon is more a class thing.
How sad and very revealing that this entire conversation, which is ultimately anti-fat focused, was had by not one single fat person. Where’s the full perspective without a fat person? They could’ve had representatives from NAAFA or other similar organizations.
Well, 99.5% of fat or Obese people cant have gotten fat any other way but from over EATING which is Glutonic...Its hard to be a moderate food eater and become Fat, unless you are part of the remaining 0.05% . You cant blame others for your own addictions unless it was forced on you. If you have a child that is fat, would you want him or her to not even be conscious of the health repacousion of such a lifestyle... No one can take the blame for societal problems there is no coin that has only one side. If you remove one thing, another thing would be there to take its place...it might be better or worse, but which ever one it is, there would be another side to it. We live in an imperfect world so dont expect to see perfection to occur on a very large scale...Difficult
Most people in fat bodies don't necessarily eat the most amount of food but chances are they've been on the most number of diets. Dieting causes weight gain in the long run. The more diets, the slower the metabolism. It's not about willpower, it's just science.
I don't completely agree with this statement. Although there's a lot of people who overeat and gain weight, there's many who live sedentary lives and who don't eat healthily when they do eat. That is a major factor in their weight gain. Plus, you add in genetics, and it's a recipe for disaster.
@@JaquentaJackie I get what you mean, but I think we have different views on what Fat is... I am talking about the type that even bedridden people would find difficult to gain, unless they over eat....Lack of work out wont make one that fat (obese) unless they they include OVER EATING...
Love your podcast. It would be appreciated when referring to over weight people not to call them fat. Fat is a part of everyones makeup but not a person. With much respect ❤.
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Yes, self-control is needed by individuals. Also why aren't we demanding from food manufacturers that they DON'T add SUGAR to everything, and why is there so much salt in some products? You are so correct when you say American companies get you addicted to products. Like Chris Rock said, the money is not in the cure, but in the treatment. I just found this podcast and I love it!
Yes ! Manufactured food is not healthy, real food takes time and that's often the dilemma unfortunately
Yooooo....this episode was amazing...the others too...Great momentum to create with what now...loving it...well done Trevor ❤❤❤
Please redo this topic with an obesity medicine doctor. We need to explore the science and the medicine itself from the doctors in the field. This was superficial and counterintuitive to those actually struggling with obesity. Respectfully reconsider.
“Good Faith Conversation Land”! I LOVE this term!
“Once again, a fun Christiana story ends with oppression.” 😂😂😂 Trevor, this is why we LOVE HER SO MUCH!!! ❤❤❤
I've always said that the food industry is in cohoots with the pharmaceutical companies.
I love you Trevor buuut I think when doing the episodes with Christina, the guests (especially since they're not physically present) don't get as much time to impart their wisdom - and they are the expert about the topics! If anything, I'm just asking for the podcast to be longer so we can also hear their POVs!
Just found your podcast and I already love it! Thank you for exploring things from different points of view.
My husband can’t get his diabetes medication bc of the misuse of this drug
thanks for the great work Trevor. Love from Uganda.
Just a very strange conversation that bucks common sense on many levels.
I am a veterinarian.
People often ask me (with fear in their eyes) if their dog/cat who is otherwise well, is fat.
We have charts and parameters we use to gauge the BCS (body condition score) of animals.
I usually show clients the chart as a guide, but then I tell them that my personal opinion is that if their pets can go for walks, play and still engage in all the activities they want to, they are doing great. I know vets who will absolutely disagree with me on that and strictly follow the chart by the way 🤷🏾♀️.
Sometimes the owners are 'fat' themselves and their pets get judged by extension, so it gets complicated.
Sometimes they doubt my opinion coz I am 'fat' too 🤣
Its a big topic. An animals relationship with food and their owners relationship with food, the animals lifestyle, genetics, value of food being given (cheaper kibble has more fillers), activity levels and whether they have access to play areas and so on....
In many ways similar to human obesity factors.
What pets are being fed is more important than exercise when it comes to losing weight. Especially because we dont want to injure them.
But people really struggle with that concept because exercise is really glamourised. Plus they hate to deny their beloved pets treats (fatty treats are often tastier) 😅
Its a really big topic 🤣
This was a much needed conversation. I appreciate everyone's take on ozempic, standards of beauty and how society treats overweight people. I do feel that majority of processed foods are created to be addictive and food addiction is another piece to this already complicated topic. I would love to hear the thoughts of someone who struggles with weight and has lived experience to further enrich this conversation.
This drug helps us not feel the hard feeling of being hungry to helps lose weight
I really like the concept of "do you feel good in your body?"
It is funny how across Africa we find the same cultural similarities. I am of Tunisian descent and when a man gets married if he gains weight after the wedding he is considered in a happy marriage. And before the wedding they would feed the bride until she was heavy enough "to sit on and break the chest". A member of my family even called me and my husband "twigs" since we both lost ( unintentionaly) weight due to stress when preparing the wedding. So I feel you guys!!
VO2 max is a measure of fitness. When you have intensely trained over time, you body adapts by accessing more oxygen quicker.
I am halfway through and they haven’t’ talked about the negative side effects yet.
Indeed. That was bizarre. Such high-minded thinking but a total lack of common sense.
Thank you for this conversation. Yes, self-control is part of the equation, but we know that nutrients affect our hormones and so how we respond to stimuli. What if the negative or positive stimuli has changed because of the quality of food; what it is lacking or what is being put in it? You must include in the conversation about the downfall of our society regarding fatness, the food industry. The body compensates for the lower nutrients in American food. We are eating less nutrition dense produce. Our soil is constantly being depleted of its life supporting minerals and microbiome. When I have travelled to other countries, produce if full of flavor. I eat less because I am satiated. Our brain and body will compensate with a hunger response and not feeling satiated, because we are not getting what the body needs to be healthy. So, go deeper into what a capitalist society will do to make more money at the detriment of the health of its people. This affects farming practices. Also, include in the conversation how America puts sugar in most everything. In my travels, desserts are never as sweet as they are in America.
That you for this discussion. I needed it. There was a time when I could lose weight on my own.Not so anymore. I've gotj osteoartritis in my lower back and both knees. I've fallen several times. It has taken me a long time to get up because I don't have the upper body strength. I've considered talking to a health provider about using a diet pill but so far I'm finding difficultity in bringing it up. Eventually, I'll bring it up. I know that taking any sort of medication there are side effects. I've got to take a few breaths and bring the conversion up for myself.
Amazing topic. And I love Trevor. However, I would like him to give more space to talk to his guests rather than talking over them. Everyone already knows how smart, quick-witted, and versatile he is. It would be great if experts could share their knowledge a bit more❤
i could hear all three of them thinking: thank god i'm not fat! through all of this.
I actually miss the comedian Trevor, I could laugh until my stomach hurts!, you made us laugh then!! Which is good for the soul.
Was a very interesting conversation!
Would love to read more about the Harvard study discussed about vectors of bias, is there a link for that?
I believe the idea that a large person is beautiful and remains beautiful after weight loss is a testament to the non-physical nature of true beauty. It is important that we remember the far reaching effects of obesity on health and success and feasibility of certain medical treatments. When we say we don’t know the long term effects of GLP-1 drugs, we create fear about a therapy that in some people can be life saving.
Growing up in Puerto Rico during the 1960s and 70s there was a phrase ppl would use as a term of endearment or admiration healthwise and that was "gordo y colorao" (fat and red).
If you were fat, typically associated with light skin kids, it meant you were eating good thus making you healthy.
If you were skinny or relatively skinny you were sick, there was something wrong with your health.
At least that was the perception.
I love this show and though you all made great points but I wish that you had a more diverse panel, because for some people - obesity is not a matter of self control. Some people like myself suffer from conditions that affect hormone regulation involved in properly processing and digesting food, other folk have genetic issues, or take medications that make you gain weight or make it harder to lose weight etc. Some of us have all the discipline and will power in the world, we work out out, etc but the weight still doesn't come off. Those injections are not magic and they weight just doesn't melt off. For those of us with medical related weight gain, the injections work but it takes time and we still have to do things like watch what we eat and exercise to get the full benefit.
The conversation about health and beauty. The conversation needs to shift to healthy and accomplishing things is beautiful. Till now people value superficial cosmetics and beauty. The shift needs to be that whether you are a big frame or small frame or whatever weight, our goal shouldn't be to be sexy and beautiful it should be to be healthy and even intelligent. Knowledge is power. If education is pushed then naturally intelligent people will want to work hard to become healthier. It's why some people can be dumb as a rock with no common sense yet they are considered successful because they are attractive. Education and health should be the new beautiful.
Fat rooms are dangerous, hope little girls now will enjoy life and will not be forced to develop diabetics ! It's a deep transformation of yourself, not only physically, this is truely heartbreaking to see these women who were forced to eat until their health... is never the same again
why no talk about side effects already 41 minutes in
No Firefly fans? Isn't lost of all desire what happened with the drug that created the reavers?
So sad what the world has become. Ecessesive snacking was only done a party once in a while.
A person ate three times a day and on a weekend outing snacks and confection would be served.
Now we are raising gluttonous, overweght, sickly humans.
Can you have Dr. Joe Dispenza on the Podcast next
It's funny how Christina is "pro choice" on this drug because she has seen family benefit from the DRUG, but hallucinogens like mushrooms, which they just talked about on the podcast, are a definite NO because my kids may abuse it. I'm confused???
Yes. That wouldn’t seem to make very much sense.
We are mostly figure 8 and muscular in Nigeria
I have never heard of the fattening room
Ps I am an igbo woman
The Calabar / Cross Rivers people have fattening room in their culture.
😂😂😂😂True. ..totally lovely
Interesting ❤
Trevor, I know you have this habit of using "intresting" and "fascinating" when topics of discussion arrive at a weird spot.
But in general I have noticed you using them not appropriately, at least to my limted understanding of the English language.
Those words, IMHO, carry a positive connotation. Correct me please if I am wrong. Try finding words that do convey negative connotations too pls. This way the true gravity/profoundness gets delivered.
I know you use it to dilute the negativity to keep levity but why do so when the actual need is to call a spade a spade.
I have noticed you doing this many a times in the Daily Show. Finally found it in me to share this. Apologies if I have offended you inadvertently.
Also @Trevor please stop asking your lady friend about things that happen in Nigeria...Because to us Nigerians it's obvious that she didnt grow up here and dosent know and understand the Nigeria Life style,....her Nigeria knowledge is really very low...No offense, I just wanted to let you know so you wont out that part about her on the spot...she's failed it twice that I know of, when she answered a question on Nigeria
Most Nigerian are figure 8 because we have hip and breast with a flat belly even after kids naturally. Fattening room I have never heard of in life. I lived in nigeria for 13 years of my life.
@@nkemazikiwe6629 Hmmm figure 8 abi nice.....,So i would say your in this category righ
You forgot "fatty fatty boom boom" already?
There are no "fattening rooms"in Nigeria. Where did you get this guests from Trevor? Lol
They have cultures that do that in Nigeria. If you haven't been to every state / city in Nigeria, then you won't know.
@StellaViveka Speak for yourself mate. Where are these ethnic groups in Nigeria where such fattening is still done? Trust weirdos from America to visit Africa and the only things they latch onto are weird things like women fattening rooms 🤔 The Tuaregs are the only ethnic group in West Africa that I know who practice women fattening but it's a long abandoned practice among Tuaregs.
@StellaViveka Speak for yourself mate lol. What ethnic groups in Nigeria still practice women fattening? Trust weirdos from America to visit Africa, and the only things they latch onto are weird things like "women fattening rooms. " 😆 The Tuaregs are the only ethnic group in West Africa that once practice women fattening but they long abandoned the practice.
@StellaViveka @StellaViveka Speak for yourself mate lol. What ethnic groups in Nigeria still practice women fattening? Trust weirdos from America to visit Africa, and the only things they latch onto are weird things like "women fattening rooms. " 😆 The Tuaregs are the only ethnic group in West Africa that once practiced this but they long abandoned the practice.
She’s Nigerian and also a host on the show, weirdo.
People want fast fixes .
I feel like all three of them support ozempic use and that's really dissapointing... they didn't even mention how morally wrong it is to use ozempic only for purpose of weight loss, there are people whose lives literally depends on this drug because they have diabetes and they can't get it because of rich and out of touch people like them. My colleague who has diabetes couldn't get it for months because there was shortage of ozempic. This whole conversation was really out of touch.
I totally agree. Also, using ozempic especially when you don't need it and without proper consultation can have long term side effects and is dangerous too
Lmao bro you’re funny af
I'm a huge Trevor follower and been procrastinating on really deep-diving into these convos. Now I'm just caught in a loop!
Or what if we just talked about weight as a proxy for all those other highly correlated illness factors and didn’t get offended by it?
It is framed through identity politics, like negative attitudes towards weight are a white thing. That is the lens through which your two guests may interpret it-they might really enjoy looking at topics through a racial lens-but when one is white the cultural phenomenon is more a class thing.
How sad and very revealing that this entire conversation, which is ultimately anti-fat focused, was had by not one single fat person. Where’s the full perspective without a fat person? They could’ve had representatives from NAAFA or other similar organizations.
Jai or Jia??😁
Well, 99.5% of fat or Obese people cant have gotten fat any other way but from over EATING which is Glutonic...Its hard to be a moderate food eater and become Fat, unless you are part of the remaining 0.05% . You cant blame others for your own addictions unless it was forced on you. If you have a child that is fat, would you want him or her to not even be conscious of the health repacousion of such a lifestyle...
No one can take the blame for societal problems there is no coin that has only one side. If you remove one thing, another thing would be there to take its place...it might be better or worse, but which ever one it is, there would be another side to it. We live in an imperfect world so dont expect to see perfection to occur on a very large scale...Difficult
Most people in fat bodies don't necessarily eat the most amount of food but chances are they've been on the most number of diets. Dieting causes weight gain in the long run. The more diets, the slower the metabolism. It's not about willpower, it's just science.
I don't completely agree with this statement. Although there's a lot of people who overeat and gain weight, there's many who live sedentary lives and who don't eat healthily when they do eat. That is a major factor in their weight gain. Plus, you add in genetics, and it's a recipe for disaster.
@@JaquentaJackie I get what you mean, but I think we have different views on what Fat is... I am talking about the type that even bedridden people would find difficult to gain, unless they over eat....Lack of work out wont make one that fat (obese) unless they they include OVER EATING...
@@lotennaobi9516 Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification ☺️
Love your podcast. It would be appreciated when referring to over weight people not to call them fat. Fat is a part of everyones makeup but not a person. With much respect ❤.
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Eating too much isn’t good for anyone.
who's gonna marry Ama!!!!!???????????
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