2023 Subaru Solterra VS Toyota BZ4X Electric SUVs | Before Buying A New EV Watch This
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2021
- 2023 Subaru Solterra vs Toyota BZ4X review. We review and compare the 2023 Subaru Solterra and the 2023 Toyota BZ4X to find out which is the best electric SUV. If you are buying an electric car or electric SUV, make sure to watch this comparison review.
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I work at a subaru dealership. The solterra is 100% made by toyota of toyota parts. It even says in the door jam tag "made by toyota"
I'm a current Subaru owner, and I've been waiting anxiously for more information on the new Solterra EV, so thank you for your video. Although both the Toyota and Subaru EVs are very similar, I love the detail styling of the Subaru, plus the all-wheel drive that is standard. I'm not a fan of purchasing a brand new 1st year model of any car company, preferring to wait at least a year to see if there are any bugs that need to be worked out. Having said that, my goal is to trade in my 2017 Subaru Legacy for a Solterra EV around the end of 2023 or so. I can't wait for your test drive video!
We agree !
We currently own an Outback and are waiting for Subaru to get the bugs worked out of the Solterra.
I’m retired so I don’t drive much. My wife uses her Outback as her commuter car and our road car.
I’ll sell my Rav 4WD Limited so we can buy the Soltera.
My wife’s employer allows staff to charge their EVs for free, so the Soltera will become my wife’s commuter car and I’ll drive the Outback.
We’re hoping that Subaru will produce the Soltera with Ivory, Napa brown leather interior colors, as we refuse to buy another vehicle with depressing grey or death black 1990 interior colors. 🤮
FWI the solterra is made by toyota of toyota parts the only thing is the sabaru has a badge for sabaru
It looks good, but range is limited. I would prefer something that has 300 or more miles of range.
Thanks for the great review! Do we know anything about the towing capacity of the bZ4x AWD model?
I like the base model bz4x, I'll wait to test drive it next year.
I find it interesting that both vehicles claim the same range. If you look at the fronts of the two vehicles it seems pretty clear that the BZ4X has a lower wind load because it does not suffer from the front end dimple which you find quite broadly around the Subaru logo. Further, the BZ4x lacks fog lights which you failed to mention and I expect these too add a bit of wind load. Do these shape differences get reflected in measurable range difference? I'd guess it could be worth a kilometer or maybe more. Did you actually mention any real difference between the vehicles? I have forgotten. The Solterra is to offer a solar panel roof, but is that going to also be available on the BZ4X? Oh yes, you mentioned the two wheel drive version of the BZ4 for which no corresponding Solterra exists. I really wonder about the value of the solar panel roof said to potentially collect enough energy in a year to allow you to go from Berlin to Barcelona: what about increased theft risk and paint aging caused by always parking outdoors? And what if you live as I do in a city noted for its fog? Incidentally, I have lived in this town for about 37 years, and had a car with fog lights for 15 of those years, and I have not found particular value in those lights. They were Subaru fog lights. The big panels you see around the wheels, the bumpers and the lower sides of the two vehicles differ in the materials used: the Solterra has tough plastic which is evidently designed to shrug off scratching if you get rubbed by some scrub trees on a narrow back road, whereas the BZ4X has metal which some observers has said is potentially better looking. I don't think you mentioned this difference. I fear there are other differences not noted.
I've always been a Hyundai owner, then a friend recommended the Subaru Forester, and I bought one. I love it. Both brands are really really good. That being the case I was looking forward to getting an EV and the Solterra as one of them. But that design totally turns me off. What's with that black cladding? I figure Subaru would bring out an great EV but in turn comes out with this limited range, too long to charge, Subaru in name only vehicle. Seriously, close to one hour on fast charging,? Granted, the price is not bad, but I'll rather spend extra and get something better. Looks like I'm going back to Hyundai with their Ioniq 5.
Shari,
How well will the batteries do in temperatures around Zero to 25 degrees f
I would absolutely consider both, however let's talk about bumper to bumper warranties for both cars. The massive infotainment system/ battery cooling system won't be cheap to fix. Also, let's especially talk about Toyota's and Subaru's claim of battery capacity retention of 90% over 10 years, including fast charging?? Ok, let's see the fine print. Also both cars are upwards of 4200 lbs (4400 lbs for AWD) so unless regenerative braking is used optimally, the pads and rotors will get worn out in no time. But no cat converters, alternator or ICE engines.
In all honesty the HP and range is more than adequate for me.
I was planning to go 100% all in for the Subaru Solterra. The electric range is holding me back from buying it. All the other features on the Solterra had me sold until I found out what the mileage range. I’ve owned 5 Subaru’s and the Solterra may not be the 6th Subaru unless they offer a longer electric range like 275 to 300 miles. NOT 220. That’s not going to cut it !!!!
You expressed my viewpoint, also. After all this time in development, the best range they can do is 250 FWD for Toyota and 220 for their AWD versions. They're almost obsolete before they hit the market. Very disappointing to see as I have been very anxious to replace my Bolt with one of them.
@@jackbauer4prez
Jack , I might still consider the Solterra despite the electric range of 220 miles. This will be my first electric vehicle. I’ve owned 5 Subaru’s and been very satisfied with the reliability. I do travel back and forth between Baltimore and New York every 6-8 weeks. I’ve been doing a lot of research and the New Jersey turnpike is building more EV charging stations in addition to the Tesla Charging stations already in place. I’m also communicating with the salesman at the Subaru dealership In Baltimore. From what I’ve heard, these figures may change. Subaru is known to under estimate their specifications. In the meantime, I currently own a 2019 Ascent touring model and the 2020 Legacy Sport. I’m keeping the Ascent and giving the Legacy to my brother in law. You currently own a Chevy electric vehicle. How reliable is it? There is an outside chance, I might consider the Chevy, Ford, Nissan or the Hyundai electric vehicles since they’re offering more range. I’m seriously considering them !
Me too 😂
220 miles is good enough...... Only drive around towns,. Or To / from work
@@Honestandtruth i agree with you that the 220 mile range is good for local driving. However I do travel between Baltimore and New York every 6 to 8 weeks. I still might consider the Solterra. This would be my 6th Subaru I’ve owned. If I do consider the Solterra, I will be driving it locally until more fast charging stations are built on the New Jersey turnpike. As of now they have mostly Tesla fast charging stations on some of the turnpike stops and one EVgo fast charging station on the northbound turnpike stop. The Tesla CEO is already planning to open up the Tesla supercharging stations to non Tesla vehicles. Once that’s in place , I will be able to drive the Solterra EV between New York and Baltimore
Agree, 220 miles is a joke unless it’s a plug in hybrid. Subaru will be forced to offer increased range beyond 300 miles on a single charge when the manufacturers see their vehicles sit in dealer lots for months unwanted. For the time being, I am sticking to my 2005 Toyota Sienna with 450 range ICE engine that is still running flawlessly at 313K miles. The Sienna has tons of room for 8 people and cargo is large enough for all camping equipment and luggages something that none of the the current EVs can match.
I wonder about the fixation on the INITIAL range that a vehicle has. What about comparing expected range after two years, four years?
good video
I love these new BZ EV's
Is there any estimate as to how much it may cost to replace a battery pack once these vehicles hit the used car market because that's going to affect their residual value when you're ready to trade them in or sell them.
Depends on the vehicle and batteries. My volt is an estimated $8,000 to replace the full battery.
Is the Toyota BZ bigger than the Kia Niro? You can’t fit Golf clubs width ways in the Kia Niro.
I am interested in the Solterra AWD. Availabiility, and range being the primary concerns. If I can’t actually buy one in 2022, what’s the point of looking at them. I’ve been waiting 7 months already for a new car, and repairing my older cars in the meantime. I could make the range of 220 miles work, but it wouldn’t be a trip car, more of a around the town car. I need the AWD for my 25% grade driveway. It’s time to give up on gas powered cars, especially here in CA with gas over $6/gal.
I reserved one already. I am no. 104, and m'y dealer Will have 42 unit in 2022. So about 2 years. Go and reserve now !
Will solterra have eye sight? Can you put dash camera?
Will Toyota have the precollision technology and can you put dash camera?
Toyota all the way. Have driven Prius since 2007. My 2015 Prius has 200k miles and I have not had any issues with it . rock solid product .
It's the same car, both made in the same factory.
For where I live the 220 isn’t a deal breaker but it still kinda hurts. I know Toyota is saying that they don’t plan on competing on range but price but come on. What do they make that’s truly affordable anymore?
Might just wait for second generation
Or when the options come out with the pricing.
Don’t know what happened to the solar panel roof.
You didn't mention spare tires. My daughter just had a near disaster with a flat on the Garden State Parkway in her Toyota product.
There is headlight washer on Subaru solterra but i dont know on Toyota bz4x, if you know it answer me plase, thanks..who knows it??
Another factor in the collaboration is Toyota's large investment in Subaru. That certainly didn't hurt the situation.
Subaru soltera front looks weird, seems some one manually fixed it.
Hello, is Mazda 3 and 6 and 2 reliable cars especially gen 2007 to 2013?
Sedan or hatchback
They suck. Gas powered⛽️ which is socially unacceptable today like wearing a fur coat or smoking.
They are generally very reliable but rust can be a problem if you live in a harsh winter climate where salt is used on the roads.
@@carhelpcorner True very reliable. Totally wrong on the rust in salted cold weather climates. Never seen any rusted Mazdas made in the last 20 years.
I thought this video was about electric vehicles, not used Mazdas.
@@jaimieconroy36 Exactly. Way off topic.
I just Preorder a Subaru crosstrek 2022 plug-in hybrid
Kia/Hyundai should not be ignored if you don’t want Tesla 🎈
My money is still going to the ID.4. However if the Solterra came with a heated windshield and a lower price point I could be swayed.
Just WONDERING .....Do EV have Alternator inside the Engine.....???? ???
It should help maintain the Battery power level..... Right...?????
What is the ground clearance on the Subaru and Toyota
8.3 dum
I liked almost everything about BZ4X or Solterra, except 2 things:
1) those excessive black cladding, (looks like a clown's car)
2) 360 km or 220 mile only range & slowish charge, which is a deal breaker.
I do lot of long distance driving, so min 500 km /315mile range is must.
I have 2021 Rav4 Prime SE PHEV (got in March 2021 with C$13000 rebate in QC, C$42k tax in ) , excellent for local/city driving 70-80 km summer range, and 50-60 km Montreal winter range.
And when driving long distance, e.g. Montreal to Toronto, I don't have to worry wasting time to charge.
Next full electric car/suv to replace wife's 2015 Nissan Rouge SL, which served us very well, may be wait another 2-3 years.
Amazing Electric Power Vehicles. They both looked similar.
It may be affordable till the dealerships add another 10K on the MSRP. The 0-60 is slow enough you would have time to take a nap
I dont know electric or hybrid is worth it for road trip. I want at least 300 miles with awd.
So why not hybrid? It has unlimited range and far better MPG than ICE engine. It’s the perfect road trip vehicle.
Plymouth neon vs. Dodge neon
Yeah! Finally a car review the people want! EV’s we can afford! ⚡️ 🌲
And under $30,000 after rebates! YES!
That is awesome BRock. I want one NOW after putting $60 of gas in my hybrid this morning.
@@anthonymitchell9337 Just say no to buying gas ⛽️!!! It’s easy!
Only tax payers get rebates......NOT those of Us on SS............Paul
AND on SS cannot pay $40K.............Paul
@@paulholterhaus7084 Wrong. Anyone who buys the vehicle is eligible for the appropriate government rebates.
what's really messed up is the base solterra is $10,000 more than the base BZ4X here in BC Canada, who in their right mind would get the subaru
Someone who needs awd.
A better question is "is it worth buying an electric car today when you know that within 5 years we'll be getting vehicles with a 300+ mile range and an 80% recharge time of less than 5 minutes?". For me the answer is a clear no.
I agree!
Yeah but when that happens the prices are gonna be skyrocket I’m gonna tell you we do have that Tesla but you rather sell yourself to get a Tesla you have to look at the good and the bad the good will be yes it drives longer but the bad is it’s gonna cost over $100,000 and it doesn’t look like it’s getting any easier
@@ryanney4762 Actually the prices will likely be heading down. Lithium Sulphide batteries have an energy-density that is almost 8x better than current generation lithium batteries. Plus they are expected to be cheaper and to recharge in less than 5 minutes. And that's only the INTERIM technology we can see coming in the next few years. Beyond that we may entirely dispense with lithium - a metal whose value is ACTUALLY skyrocketing and will continue to do so while demand grows. So I'm afraid you have the situation upside down. Eventually EV's will be substantially cheaper than equivalent ICE cars... maybe ten years away, but it's coming like an express train.
Just the name alone is compelling me to consider Subaru! Suffice it to say that Toyota's entry has killed our reservation for the VW ID4 ! But it was not that hard cause ID4 was a reluctant choice. Without 3 years of free charging and incentive, Tesla is the only option now; even despite misertablly-aligned body panels.
That charging speed though. Man I wish it was faster say 125 to 150kw.
How come Subaru has no spare tire but toyota version does?
They both better get rid of those horrible carpet dashes.
I don't get it. Is it a cost saving measure?? Like the manual passenger seat. Cleaning it will be a nightmare
@@z1az285 Maybe they'll come with a "high end" lint roller mounted in the glove box.... lol
@@Reboot12345678910 Honestly, I like both versions but the black plastic looks jarring except in dark colors and yeah the dash is cringy but I guess they were trying to manage Cost and overall looks like they did a decent enough job but let's see the final price.
All that black on the fenders and front makes these vehicles look hideous. Based on looks alone, the Koreans will eat their lunch!
I thought they're using solid state batteries and not lithium ion batteries
Toyota Was The First Car Manufacturer To Have Hybrid And Plug In Hybrid Cars
Differences aside from looks, Toyota has premium JBM sound system, while Subaru has Harman/Kardon. I believe Subaru has paddle shifters for regenerative braking while Toyota bZ4X doesn’t have. Subaru also has EyeSight while Toyota has Toyota Safety Sense 3.0.
Even though the “Eyesight” moniker is part of the marketing by Subaru here I believe it is wholly the Toyota safety suite system. Which is fine, it is a similarly competent system.
Both have regenerative braking otherwise the pads and rotors will need frequent replacement (4200 - 4400 lbs)
@@tpolerex7282 But the AWD system in both cars (where applicable in Toyota) has X mode, so purely Subaru AWD tech.
Xmode for Subaru.
@@z1az285 I have carefully inspected multiple interior photos of both vehicles as viewed looking toward the steering wheel from the side. I can see a paddle (on the visible side of the wheel) in Solterra photos but do not see that in BZ4X photos. So I think Mr Gerich is correct. What that suggests to me is that the regenerative action of turning the motors into generators must be at a fixed setting in the BZ4X in respect only to the human initiated braking function.. If that setting is no regenerative action other than in cruise control then I would think that would give the Solterra a bit of an advantage in range. Using regenerative breaking in cruise control is no doubt very advantageous to both vehicles. The Solterra has a bit of disadvantage in range if you look at the less aerodynamic nose which has a big dimple and fog lights that would give a bit more wind load than you get on the BZ4X. It will be very interesting to see how this all works out in comparative testing.
Pay more and get a Mustard E. Way more cool and fun to drive.
Subaru makes electric crosstrek hybrids. I would honestly trust this car
So hopefully Toyota can put some muscle behind an effort to improve the charging network. If Tesla has a model of a dependable charging stations no one has to invent one. Just improve what’s there.
The first thing I’d do is paint the front fenders to match the exterior paint. They look like they’ve been hit and are prime red waiting to be painted.
The second thing I’d do is have it reupholstered in Ivory or Brown leather interior colors.
We refuse to buy another vehicle with 1990 depressing grey or death black interior colors.
Our Outback has Ivory leather interior and we love it. Our Rav has Tan leather interior and we love it as well.
Our 11 pickup had Fugly grey and black interior so I had it reupholstered to match the custom 2 toned Red and Tan exterior colors.
Depressed people settle for depressed colors.
Think about it.
85% of homes are painted grey with white trim. Their interior motif colors are grey, they drive grey vehicles with either grey or black interior. And they wonder why they’re depressed, especially when the skies of the PNW are also grey.
AWD at 220 mi range? No. I’d keep on waiting until they can go further than 300 mi.
Sure, range and charging is worse than a base model Bolt (which is already getting discontinued for the new gens), the price is double, the tech is already almost outdated,,, but the real deal breaker is all that cloth on the inside, arm rests, dash, etc, especially if you get the "premium" with cloth seats. How the hell are you supposed to keep any of that clean? No glove box? And what's up with the 2' away cluster sticking up so high. Makes my mid trim Bolt EUV seem like a luxury car on the interior, with leather heated/ac seats, no cloth anywhere, etc etc. Price is too high for the small battery and old school charging. Only thing it has going for it are it's a Toyota, the high clearance, and the killer awd. And with all the techy aerodynamics, you'd think the range would be better. Idk, Toyota.
WHY did this video have SOO much info about Toyota and their history RATHER than a comparison ONLY about these two vehicles. A chart would have been very helpful !!!
No spare tyre is a deal breaker 🤷🏼♂️
You forgot the mitsubishi i-miev, citroen c zero and Peugeot ion 😉👍
If you’re in the U.S., none of these exist. When the Mitsubishi i-MiEV did exist, it was a joke.
Cluttered looking dash...........Probably a nice car, mechanically/electrically..............Paul
This feels like a TOYOTA COMMERCIAL....Does Toyota pay Car Help Corner?
Very disappointing video. I was really hoping for direct comparison/contrast of the two vehicles. Since "vs" is part of the title, I’m annoyed that you didn’t actually describe the difference. If I wanted to buy one or the other, this video was not helpful.
Bottom line - all these EV choices still cost more than double what they need to be at, price-wise, for most people to be able to afford them. Mass production will eventually help get that figure down, though for now, EVs remain a thing for people with a lot more disposable income than the average person.
As for these two offerings - I think they're fantastic. Toyota is a very smart, very patient company. Instead of jumping on the EV bandwagon, they took their time and continued to refine battery management technology and EV platforms until they felt they had something that was reliable enough to actually wear their brand. Guarantying 90% power at 10 years for the pack is **incredibly** confident; even Tesla doesn't have that (theirs is 70% at 8 years!).
I think in 10 years time, we'll likely see EVs making up the bulk of the offerings, hit that affordable point, and companies like Toyota will be setting the bar for battery pack reliability/expectations. Certainly interesting times!
The battery confidence is definitely a huge bonus. I think Toyota might be the first to promise that on an EV
@@carhelpcorner Yeah, I think you're right - I've never seen a battery life promise that solid. In my opinion, this sorta fires a shot across the bow of the others to up their game with batteries, and may be the start of what pivots EVs to mainstream over the next decade.
@@Dakiraun It's not just the battery tech. The electronics is fairly complex and software updates need to be done properly otherwise infotainment and telematics units can fail and replacement costs will be exorbitant. Of course there are no ICE components, but only time will tell how robust the cars will be over time. I don't doubt Toyota or Subaru abilities and I hope they succeed but I for one would definitely consider a extended warranty for the battery/ associated components if nothing else
@@z1az285 Oh for sure - I work as a Network Admin/Engineer; I'm well aware of how twitchy _all_ the tech can be.
@@Dakiraun 👍🙂
If Subaru gonna use CVT transmission with electric model,then it also gonna be piece of crap.
It’s no Subaru it’s a Toyota and look like Toyota. Finally Subaru will be reliable 😂.
Too big for us!!!
220 miles? On a 2022 EV? That’s 13% less than the ID4. Granted The Europeans are not known for their ability to put anything with electricity together well.
Both bad choices... price, range, acceleration. Model Y has way more value.
For me, the requirements to buy an electric car is:
- near 300 miles range in AWD
- over-the-air software updates
- no piano black interior trim
Ford already did this with the E-Mach.
Styling definitely is just like the E-Mustang. All around looks the same.
Even the storage pack in the back.
Its a copy basically to what Ford did.
Subaru, do something different
Warning: after 5 years the company will charge you $20,000 just for batterys and not including labor.
How about preservation of range under adverse condition and aging? Doubtful. Mach E has terrible ground clearance though I'd imagine that helps it get better range. I could not get that thing out of my driveway without scrapping, let alone take it into woods roads.
@@Blind_of_Colour your right. The Mach-E has been made as a Drift toy with Ken Block and strickly for street travel intended by Ford.
Subaru does have the off-road advantage.
I’m sure there will be aftermarket battery packs available at significant savings vs dealership. Not to mention in five years, a new drop in battery pack might net you 400+ mile range.
This dude is bias based on historical data! Did he know that Subaru ranks number one in SUV?
Uma VERGONHA!!! Carros tão caros e bonitos e nem sequer têm um verdadeiro tecto de abrir eléctrico que deixe entrar ar no habitáculo!!!
Acabem com a porcaria dos tectos solares que não abrem e não deixam entrar ar para o interior da viatura.
Only people who will get these vehicles are people who make videos
Ice will be here for alot longer than we think.
Hey Toyota on Subaru 33% get more educated
I am not commenting on which is the better choice, but which is the better company. I have reached out to Toyota and asking them to stop using ads which encourage people to tear up our earth and spew millions of tons of dirt into our air in order to sell a vehicle. To their credit, they answered, but I did not agree that they are a responsible company. To prove I was correct in my assessment of them, they came out with their most current ads featuring their pickups tearing apart more of our precious earth. Until they finally understand what they are doing, and stop doing it, I will not buy a Toyota.
People who buy Subarus are people who like to go out-doors and off-road, that is why X-mode exists. buy a Tesla if that bothers you 😂
Anything less than 300 miles of range now its a let down for it's functionality specially for the Soltera. Both of these electric SUV are 3yrs behind in its competition. Toyota and Subaru should have push the ranges of these SUV for at least 300 milesnof range with 350kwh charging rate.
Looks ugly!
geee.... Hybrid and EV are totally different car... Toyota has no experience making EVs.... making good hybrid car doesn't mean anything for making EV... and these two EVs are not impressive at all.... shorter range, less power, longer to charge...
Get a Toyota and rest in peace.....
Please stop using the word “pretty” to describe anything. Thank you 🙏🏽.
It’s bc he’s pretty too 🤣🤣, just joking. My wife think he’s sexy.
I would never buy a Subota. Keep it, it's junk.