The greatness of a composer is determined by each individual.its determined by that composer to touch a person emotionally.and if telemann has the ability to do that over bach to a listener,then he is great to that person.genius in music is like talking to a scientific genius,but he cant conect on a more emotional philosophical level.he doesnt satisfy your emotional need.so bachs genius most times does nothing for me regardless of its complexity.if telemanns does more for someone, then telemann is a greater composer to that person.i dont care about complexity.there are diferent levels of greatness.and so looking at complexity,you ignore important points or truths
4. Ach, wie hungert mein Gemüte, Menschenfreund, nach deiner Güte. Ach, wie pfleg' ich oft, mit Tränen mich nach dieser Kost zu sehnen. Ach, wie pfleget mich zu dürsten, nach dem Trank des Lebensfürsten, wünsche stets daß mein Gebeine sich durch Gott mit Gott vereine.
Kurt Redel - mistakenly kept in limbo - was the one who understood Telemann's genial ideas at best - whether or not baroque interpreted. He has directed this masterpiece. It's the music that counts and Telemann's orchestration was admired by the greatest composers like all the Bachs that could have known his works, the Haydns(Die Schöpfung as a clear evidence!), van Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms, Richard Strauss and many others have been studying his works well. Telemann's passions rarely had a sinfonia, the one here has been taken from Telemann's Darmstädter Ouvertüren. Fits perfectly well though!
Ah Yes the K Redel (Philips) LPS>>CDS>>an imposing Version, with more Choir &Orchestra than one is oft used to, or they would have had to hand in Hamburg! Nevertheless, good to get to grips with this fine Composer's Passiontide Music...46 Passions of which 22 or so are Extant! Earliest oneEXTANT being the fine Luke 1728.The Christophorus Version on CD has some extra bits (ARIAS) z.B "Schlage doch Himmel" and I have heard a 2011 LIVE Performance by Biederitzer Kantorei which has even more NEW Arias!! Such a fine Moving & Pathos-laden Work>>>OUGHT to be better known>>Perhaps we require a definitive Version!
I wonder if Kurt Redel borrowed the ouverture from another work, like he did for one of the Markus Passion (ouverture is arrangement of ouverture from "Das selige..." TWV5-2)
OK, easily solved>>This Opening that Redel used/borrowed IS from the Ouverture -suite TWV55C6>>>SOmeille=Sleep Wonderful to hear in such Full Orchestration! The other Setting Redel covered Mark 1759>Used the Sinfonia/Einleitung from Seliges Erwaegen TVWV5:2>>Which incidentally, IS probably the MOST performed Passion~Oratorio of the Whole Baroque!!! Do you know the Passion~Oratorio Die gekreuzigte Liebe TWV5:4 (AMATI)???
@anisuthideyakoindu Telemann is unjustifiably neglected. Here is a true event. 1722 Johann Kunau, a cantor, died at Thomasschule in Leipzig. In 1722, JSBah (Chaplain-master at the court in Keten) applied for the Qatari place in Leipzig and was not shortlisted by 6 candidates, with already proven musical sizes: Teleman, Fash (whose works JS Bah transcribed with his own hand), Graupner … In order to prevent the “setting up of competition”, two commissions were made by the selection committee: the commissioning officer and the commissioning officer. Only those musicians who were chaplains, cantors, or organists in one of the many cities in Germany could choose. Only when Teleman quit because the city government of Hanburg did not want to lose the music icon (so they increased his salary - and did not want to terminate his contract), and for similar reasons, they quit Fash (Chapel Makstor in Serbisht near Desau near Berlin) , Graupner ... the two commissions also took into consideration the JS organ Baha. In order not to fail (because new cantatas should be performed every week in 4 churches), the commissions agreed to receive this "mediocre musician", Johan Sebastian Bach.
+jignacioish No, this is neither Harnoncourt nor Leonhardt. It is a recording from the mid-1960s conducted by Kurt Redel (who rediscovered this work). Soloists: Sena Jurinac (soprano), Theo Altmeyer (tenor), Horst Günter (baritone - Jesus), Franz Crass (bass). Lucerne Festival Chorus and Orchestra. In the 1970s I heard it in a radio broadcast, and I am glad to find it here. To be honest, I do not like Telemann, but this is interesting - the soloists are excellent.
+jignacioish Oh, finally my comment was accepted! I had much trouble posting it. Sometimes comments do not or not immediately appear. - As I said, I do not like Telemann very much, but it is interesting to hear this music. Telemann is less complex than Bach, but around 1730 his style was more "modern" - the "empfindsamer Stil" (sensitive style) instead of the "gelehrter Stil" (the scholarly "stile grave"). And in this recording, the "sensitive style" is wonderfully supported by these fantastic voices of Sena Jurinac or Franz Crass.
I have no problem with Johann Sebastian Bach as being accepted to be the most genial, for me Georg Philipp Telemann is the most sympathetic composer of all times.
@@anisuthideyakoindu Telemann is unjustifiably neglected. Here is a true event. 1722 Johann Kunau, a cantor, died at Thomasschule in Leipzig. In 1722, JSBah (Chaplain-master at the court in Keten) applied for the Qatari place in Leipzig and was not shortlisted by 6 candidates, with already proven musical sizes: Teleman, Fash (whose works JS Bah transcribed with his own hand), Graupner … In order to prevent the “setting up of competition”, two commissions were made by the selection committee: the commissioning officer and the commissioning officer. Only those musicians who were chaplains, cantors, or organists in one of the many cities in Germany could choose. Only when Teleman quit because the city government of Hanburg did not want to lose the music icon (so they increased his salary - and did not want to terminate his contract), and for similar reasons, they quit Fash (Chapel Makstor in Serbisht near Desau near Berlin) , Graupner ... the two commissions also took into consideration the JS organ Baha. In order not to fail (because new cantatas should be performed every week in 4 churches), the commissions agreed to receive this "mediocre musician", Johan Sebastian Bach.
Telemann has a lightness without losing its sacredness in his musical passions.
Georg Philipp Telemann ein grosse Komponist ist!!! Georg Philipp Telemann - great composer!!! Georg Philipp Telemann e un grande compositore!!!
I'm deeply impressed.Telemann was much more than a composer of table music.
The table music is not that bad.
It's good but nowhere near JS Bach's genius
@@Star_Sn1per True.
Telemann is a genius! One of the best if one might say!
The greatness of a composer is determined by each individual.its determined by that composer to touch a person emotionally.and if telemann has the ability to do that over bach to a listener,then he is great to that person.genius in music is like talking to a scientific genius,but he cant conect on a more emotional philosophical level.he doesnt satisfy your emotional need.so bachs genius most times does nothing for me regardless of its complexity.if telemanns does more for someone, then telemann is a greater composer to that person.i dont care about complexity.there are diferent levels of greatness.and so looking at complexity,you ignore important points or truths
this is the type of music that makes feel well with ourselves and we feel well with ourselves, we'll be good to others around us.
The oberture is one of the most beautiful compositions that I have even heard in my life.
Bellísima obra de Telemann que me era desconocida hasta ahora. Gracias por compartirla, desde Cuernavaca, Morelos, México
please show a valid picture of Telemann
Muchos saludos paisano! Que bueno que en Cuernavaca se escuche la buena musica!
Simply wonderful.
What an amazing composer Telemann is.
Ein gigantisches Werk, sicherlich eine der gröten Passionen des Meisters.
4. Ach, wie hungert mein Gemüte,
Menschenfreund, nach deiner Güte.
Ach, wie pfleg' ich oft, mit Tränen
mich nach dieser Kost zu sehnen.
Ach, wie pfleget mich zu dürsten,
nach dem Trank des Lebensfürsten,
wünsche stets daß mein Gebeine
sich durch Gott mit Gott vereine.
Ik heb dit werk vele malen gezongen als koorlid van Cantate Deo uit Zoetermeer. Prachtig
Kurt Redel - mistakenly kept in limbo - was the one who understood Telemann's genial ideas at best - whether or not baroque interpreted. He has directed this masterpiece. It's the music that counts and Telemann's orchestration was admired by the greatest composers like all the Bachs that could have known his works, the Haydns(Die Schöpfung as a clear evidence!), van Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms, Richard Strauss and many others have been studying his works well. Telemann's passions rarely had a sinfonia, the one here has been taken from Telemann's Darmstädter Ouvertüren. Fits perfectly well though!
Sublime. Genial ❤
Thank you very much for sharing this! :-)
Astonishingly beautiful.Heavenly.Telemann (unfortunately) lives somewhat in JSB's shadow.With many thanks from Ireland.
Lindíssimo
Ah Yes the K Redel (Philips) LPS>>CDS>>an imposing Version, with more Choir &Orchestra than one is oft used to, or they would have had to hand in Hamburg! Nevertheless, good to get to grips with this fine Composer's Passiontide Music...46 Passions of which 22 or so are Extant! Earliest oneEXTANT being the fine Luke 1728.The Christophorus Version on CD has some extra bits (ARIAS) z.B "Schlage doch Himmel" and I have heard a 2011 LIVE Performance by Biederitzer Kantorei which has even more NEW Arias!! Such a fine Moving & Pathos-laden Work>>>OUGHT to be better known>>Perhaps we require a definitive Version!
Good music.
es wäre ganz nützlich anzugeben, welche der zahlreichen Matthäuspassionen von Telemann hier präsentiert wird.
Indeed, Telemann was a very versatile composer. I rate him higher than Bach or Händel.
I wonder if Kurt Redel borrowed the ouverture from another work, like he did for one of the Markus Passion (ouverture is arrangement of ouverture from "Das selige..." TWV5-2)
OK, easily solved>>This Opening that Redel used/borrowed IS from the Ouverture -suite TWV55C6>>>SOmeille=Sleep Wonderful to hear in such Full Orchestration! The other Setting Redel covered Mark 1759>Used the Sinfonia/Einleitung from Seliges Erwaegen TVWV5:2>>Which incidentally, IS probably the MOST performed Passion~Oratorio of the Whole Baroque!!! Do you know the Passion~Oratorio Die gekreuzigte Liebe TWV5:4 (AMATI)???
Aus welchem Jahr ist diese Musik? Telemann hat mehr als 10 Matthäuspassionen komponiert.
1730
Génius +
✨👼✨
@anisuthideyakoindu Telemann is unjustifiably neglected. Here is a true event. 1722 Johann Kunau, a cantor, died at Thomasschule in Leipzig. In 1722, JSBah (Chaplain-master at the court in Keten) applied for the Qatari place in Leipzig and was not shortlisted by 6 candidates, with already proven musical sizes: Teleman, Fash (whose works JS Bah transcribed with his own hand), Graupner … In order to prevent the “setting up of competition”, two commissions were made by the selection committee: the commissioning officer and the commissioning officer. Only those musicians who were chaplains, cantors, or organists in one of the many cities in Germany could choose. Only when Teleman quit because the city government of Hanburg did not want to lose the music icon (so they increased his salary - and did not want to terminate his contract), and for similar reasons, they quit Fash (Chapel Makstor in Serbisht near Desau near Berlin) , Graupner ... the two commissions also took into consideration the JS organ Baha. In order not to fail (because new cantatas should be performed every week in 4 churches), the commissions agreed to receive this "mediocre musician", Johan Sebastian Bach.
Is Harnoncourt the master director ...Or Leonhard, perhaps...
+jignacioish No, this is neither Harnoncourt nor Leonhardt. It is a recording from the mid-1960s conducted by Kurt Redel (who rediscovered this work). Soloists: Sena Jurinac (soprano), Theo Altmeyer (tenor), Horst Günter (baritone - Jesus), Franz Crass (bass). Lucerne Festival Chorus and Orchestra. In the 1970s I heard it in a radio broadcast, and I am glad to find it here. To be honest, I do not like Telemann, but this is interesting - the soloists are excellent.
+VerlorneFeldwacht Thanks. You are very kind.
+jignacioish Oh, finally my comment was accepted! I had much trouble posting it. Sometimes comments do not or not immediately appear. - As I said, I do not like Telemann very much, but it is interesting to hear this music. Telemann is less complex than Bach, but around 1730 his style was more "modern" - the "empfindsamer Stil" (sensitive style) instead of the "gelehrter Stil" (the scholarly "stile grave"). And in this recording, the "sensitive style" is wonderfully supported by these fantastic voices of Sena Jurinac or Franz Crass.
I have no problem with Johann Sebastian Bach as being accepted to be the most genial, for me Georg Philipp Telemann is the most sympathetic composer of all times.
@@anisuthideyakoindu Telemann is unjustifiably neglected. Here is a true event. 1722 Johann Kunau, a cantor, died at Thomasschule in Leipzig. In 1722, JSBah (Chaplain-master at the court in Keten) applied for the Qatari place in Leipzig and was not shortlisted by 6 candidates, with already proven musical sizes: Teleman, Fash (whose works JS Bah transcribed with his own hand), Graupner … In order to prevent the “setting up of competition”, two commissions were made by the selection committee: the commissioning officer and the commissioning officer. Only those musicians who were chaplains, cantors, or organists in one of the many cities in Germany could choose. Only when Teleman quit because the city government of Hanburg did not want to lose the music icon (so they increased his salary - and did not want to terminate his contract), and for similar reasons, they quit Fash (Chapel Makstor in Serbisht near Desau near Berlin) , Graupner ... the two commissions also took into consideration the JS organ Baha. In order not to fail (because new cantatas should be performed every week in 4 churches), the commissions agreed to receive this "mediocre musician", Johan Sebastian Bach.
Who are the singers here?
Who play?
it's the 1730 version
Telemann uses marcellos adagio in a lot of his slow compositions.he is a great composer but i dont admire that
Very good! Not as good as Bach's St. Matthew... but what is?
Telemann surpasses Bach in almost all fronts, including this one.
Ridiculous.
It happens much more in 1 single minute of Bach's creation than in Telemann's opera omnia.
@@GianlucaCagnaniJSBGLORY Now who's making ridiculous statements...
Nothing...on this Earth.