You're close...This cat was arrested by The German Federal Police in Frankfurt for illegal arms shipments of 38,000 units to the ____ in Columbia.....It cost Sig Sauer Germany GmbH $12Million. and this lad....$675,000.... He was going down for 5 years.....but something happened Shalom
@@sqr2024 Only if the USG is utterly incompetent, otherwise they will mandate the licencing of that IP to ensure multiple suppliers and an ability to rapidly scale up production at need. If Sig say no, it's on to the next bidder for the SA contract.
Producing proprietary ammunition is literally the goal of this program. Have you actually done zero research before commenting, or do you just not understand what's going on here?
Sapper Neilsen I know there was so much that was inaccurate about what he was saying. Everything from needing more energy to that a can reduces back pressure.
Over 50 percent increase in power, 20 percent less weight, and the ability for ammunition factories to easily manufacture the new design with minimum changes to their machinery. Sounds like a win to me.
@@garythesquidsquid7779 Army here. Unfortunately, that isn't how the military works. In the end it comes down to money and politicians' whims. Remember UCP camouflage, that kinda grey looking thing that didn't blend in with anything? Yeah. Some pog thought it was a good idea, so it got pushed out to the whole army. And yes, as much as I like some Sig products, this dude is probably full of shit. They have a history of shady stuff like that. If I recall correctly, awhile ago they got caught up in a cartel related weapons smuggling scandal. If you want to check out another cool submission to the army's comtest, look for the General Dynamics RM277. I'm out. Sleep time.
Am sure they probably asked them if their weapons system comes in 5.56 or 7.62. I appreciate what he is trying to accomplish, but NATO Forces carry interchangeable ammunition for a reason. Lethality is just one piece of the puzzle.
This is a finalist weapon system for the Army's new rifle/SAW. The Army is asking for a 6.8mm round, and as long as it shows better accuracy, range, power, and ability to defeat body armor they don't care how it's done. They are banking on it being a brand new round.
It's like a car manufacturer bringing out a new car and then saying the greatest selling point is that it requires a new type of proprietary magic gasoline.
@Sgtqman19 No, no they don't. 5.56 and 7.62 have been NATO standards for a very long time. During that time there have been many new weapons systems. Standardized non-proprietary ammo is the best logistics solution. If 6.8 is going to added to the mix, then it should be a non-proprietary standardized 6.8. Every new weapon system should be assessed on how it performs, cost, maintenance, etc, not that it uses a new proprietary ammo.
@@txhookey5608 He's talking about the NGSW submissions. All 3 candidates have a new ammo type, all 6.8mm, with either the hybrid casing, telescoping case or ceramic.
@@springbloom5940 The logistics don't have much to do with it. The Army is looking to modernize the combat rifle and build one that is superior to all others. The next big step in firearm tech. That includes improving on bullet design that has remained almost exactly the same for a century.
@@KingOfBattle119 'logistics dont have much to do with it' Uhhh... wut? Seriously??? 🧐 A new weapon *is* logistics. This is *entirely* a logistical concern. They aren't looking to replace anything, they are merely trying to find out how much better than 'good enough', the 'best' is. They are not interested in modest improvements that require any logistical upsets, which is why every time someone comes up with a 'superior' rifle, someone else just sticks a new rail on the M16 and gives it a new cartridge loading. The reason ammunition form has remained the same for a century, is because it works; and so well, ot cannot be surpassed. Just like the Armalite platform, it cannot be significantly improved, only tweaked. The AR/556 platform and the MiniMi are at the pinnacle of small arms design.
Machine guns have heavier recoil? I'm pretty sure due to the extra weight they have less and more manageable recoil compared to a rifle of the same caliber.
I didn’t think it was a bad presentation at all. He covered all the bases, especially at the end. Essentially, this LMG allows the soldier to shoot, move and communicate better. In the very near future, that will be essential because we will be fighting armored walking and flying machines.
_+Scott Walworth_ No, it won’t. The weight of your firearm has nothing to do with your ability to communicate. The main purpose behind lightening firearm weight is to reduce the overall weight you have to carry in the field. When you’re on a nine hour patrol through rough terrain, extra weight is quickly felt. The issue isn’t that it’s lighter than other squad rifles, like an M249 for example. The issue is that it’s not chambered in 5.56. Try carrying 600+ rounds of M80 ball for nine hours, compared to 600+ rounds of M855; 7.62x51 is more than twice the weight.
The sound suppressor on the end of the mg aids in communication on the battlefield. It may also help preserve the user’s hearing over the long term. What was presented in the video was a weapon system. System. It had three major components. The mg, the suppressor and an advanced optic.
The system weighs less than current weapon systems. The ammo on the General Dynamic system weighs the same as 5.56mm. So why all the concern about a change in caliber? What no critic is addressing is the urgent need for improved, much improved, lethality, especially against armored targets. Thinking armored robots are just around the corner. Some will walk and some will fly. The Army can’t afford to assume that tomorrow’s adversary will still be wearing flip flops and a man dress. Humans will barely be able to survive on the battlefield of tomorrow and they most certainly never will if they are armed with 5.56mm carbines. Survival may be possible with enough range, lethality and low signature. And if the system is too heavy then change the uniform to flip flops and man dress and leave everything else except water at the FOB.
The swedish army used to use the 6,5x55 for machineguns before adopting 308/223.. his argument "more energy but lighter than 308" is fucking retarded, if you want lighter ammo just go back and use the 6,5x55 which has way better ballistics than this "wonder bullet" hell if you want a modern bullet just use the 6,5cm goddamit no need to reinvent the wheel
@@swedish_steel7861 Case length and a cost that you and I will stay away from (the 2 piece case is going to be expensive and un-reloadable) .. Do note the argument of having this be withing the realm of the military industry and 'proprietary' [patent royalties]
The reason the US Army keeps funding projects to replace m4, 5.56, and m249 is because they want to see what new technology weapon manufacturers have to offer then do a benefits to cost analysis. Unforntally weapon manufacturers since the 80s have yet to come out with something so good that the US Army is willing to replace their whole stockpile of M4s and 5.56 ammo which no manufacture has been able to do except HK with the M27 replacing m249 for the Marines. M4/16 platform modular design is really good unfortunately. The biggest issue tho is the standard issue NATO STANAG 556 mag which are fucking garbage and are the biggest reason the m4 jams. Magpul mags tho are amazing
depends on the how old magazine is and what follower it has installed. any metallic stanag magazine will outlast a polymer magazine. the m27 was a way for the marines to get a better m4/m16. m27 also has a issue's with parts falling off and disassembly/cleaning in the field. the m27 is not anything new and hasnt replaced any m249's. go ask a marine who used one and you'll get stories about broken bipods and losing rubber buttpads.
The magus aren't garbage. They're a disposable item, that's treated like gold in the supply chains. Add armorers that don't give a shit, and keep issuing .gas that have been deadlined, and you get problems.
We are really getting close to the best that a rifle can actually get. Unless of course that in 50 years something gets invented that makes guns useless.
@@n0oo7 there's always room for improvement, and keep in mind that sci-fi has fueled innovation for decades. I doubt we'll see lasers any time soon, but rifles like in the second alien movie are feasible.
Wow, Sig is on fire! The P320, P365 and now these! Wow, these guys are innovators. I really hope our military gives them the contract. Never knew about them until the P320 but wow, I'm a huge fan now.
If I had a choice, I'd issue a contract to FightLite. Their lightweight machinegun utilize AR15 lower, is very light and works with standard 5,56. Only it should fire from open bolt position, which shouldn't be difficult to achieve.
(Muzzle) Energy. 6,8 was always a niche cartridge but maybe they figured it out. What they mean is increasing the amount of damage the bullet can inflict while reducing the weight of the cartridge itself. More hurt for less materials. Won’t be surprised if they fit the Virtus for 6,8 and sell that as the new rifle for direct action.
There is an actual improvement here in the sense that the cartridge is rated at 550 MPa when the next best available is 450 MPa. The main limiting factor is traditionally the way brass behaves at high pressures. The gun itself is nice, but nothing new.
Unless they specifically asked for this I don’t think the army is gonna be onboard for a proprietary ammo type for the squad support gunner because he needs to be able to share 5.56 with his comrades when things don’t go as planned or at the very least be able to share 7.62 with the designated marksman and introducing a new round could become a logistical complication
The Army did ask for it, provided the goal specifications and the bullet to be used. The bullet is designed to defeat armor at impressive ranges, using steel instead of tungsten.
I don't know what exact material the steel bottom if the casing is but if it's not plated it will rust and cause more problems. Suppressors on a light machine gun will catch so much carbon it will eventually cause malfunction.
Interesting but fail, the us army has a history of calling for a new this or that, dragging the testing out for years and then not adopting the winner, especially if it's foriegn or adoping anything at all but it's the proprietary ammunition that trips this up.
They should redesign the MCX SPEAR to have the same recoil reduction system. I also heard SIG was planning to use titanium instead of brass later on to further reduce weight, but i'd advice to use a nickel-aluminum alloy instead like Shell Shock Technologies has but with a stronger steel base thier the aluminum base.
This guy sounded like he was making shit up on the spot - like he is just winging his sales presentation based on the only two things he knows about the product
No,no,no, he made that ammo proprietary so only he can make and sell it if this thing is picked up by Big Army. No one else can make this ammo. No other brand of 6.8 ammo dimensionally fits the feed tray and barrel! They told us this at Shotshow.
These new weapons are by far superior to the other submissions. We can only hope for broad adoption by all US services. The clear advatage goes to any troops in the world, armed with these weapons. The future is amazing and well worth the change over.
Bout time they made a video about the most interesting machine gun in this entire program, still dissapointed they tried nothing new with the ammo, though. All because they are afraid of changing the status quo. I love how he told us nothing about how having a steel base "increases energy", also wasn't the army requirement 30% weight reduction at the very least?
Sounds like a flop the moment he said proprietary ammo. The benefit of a SAW is that it is loaded with the same ammunition as the rest of the squad... All you have to do is make a SAW that's lighter and shoots 5.56 or 7.62 and you beat this submission.
I'd like to see what they're proposed replacement for the M4 is if they want us to use a SAW in 6.8. The automatic rifleman should be using the same round as everyone else. Machine gunners and designated marksman should have bigger stuff.
@@patrickjohnson3862 The purpose of a medium machine gun is to provide higher volume of fire and just a lot more fuck-offness than a squad automatic weapon would. That's why we have both the M249 (chambered in 5.56, same cartridge as the M4) and the 240B (7.62, same round as the M110 SASS). A DMR *can* be chambered in the same cartridge as a service rifle, but that wouldn't make much sense, seeing as DMRs are designed to almost exclusively be used at long distance and thus need more powerful rounds to have more energy on target and also kill their targets quicker so that their position isn't discovered. The reason why you wouldn't make a service rifle in a full caliber like that is so that soldiers can carry more ammunition and it's easier for them to fight in close quarters. Also, the standard rifleman's position wouldn't be as discreet as the Designated Marksman's, because there would be more rifleman and SAW gunners in their general area, shooting in the same direction. I hope that clarifies things for you.
I appreciate the ingenuity, but i prefer domestic Arms Manufactures (General Dynamics, Barrett, Daniel defense, keltec, Smith & wesson) to be receiving the U.S. Army contracts.
"Proprietary Ammunition" I stopped listening after that. Looks nice though. As a SAW gunner I can testify that the Army definitely needs a replacement.
Can someone translate what this guy said into plain English? The meaning was lost to me beneath the buzzwords, redundancy, and vagueness. So this is just a brass case with a steel base? I understood, perhaps incorrectly, that he was saying that it will enable higher pressures to achieve more energy without increasing case capacity. But isn't a 60% increase in pressures like I think he's talking about impractical because such high pressures would mean a more wear on the gun and the barrel, requiring advanced technology that may not exist to overcome? We'd have to redesign the operating mechanisms around the higher pressures and try something different with the barrels that goes in a completely different direction from the trend toward thin and even pencil barrels we've been seeing. I like the idea of fitting a more powerful cartridge in an AR-15 so that I don't have to go to a large-frame AR to shoot something with more legs (6 and 6.5mm Creed, 7mm-08, 6 Dasher, etc.) but it seems like it might make more sense to just design a sort of intermediate modernized AR and new magazine shooting a 6-7mm round at ideal speed (probably around 3000fps). And if we're designing a new round that will require new guns and magazines and we're abandoning backwards compatibility, I would think that the polymer-cased ammunition technology provides more benefits than this from Sig. I may be wrong, but if I heard right than this new case will require new cartridges, guns, and magazines, and so the backwards compatibility selling point is a vague promise that more of the manufacturing tooling can be utilized than with competing new cartridge case technologies like the LSAT polymer cased telescoped ammo. The US military has demonstrated for many decades now an unwillingness to make major small arms changes unless there is a dramatic increase in effectiveness. I think they said they wanted a 200% improvement for the M4's replacement or they wouldn't change, and the widespread feeling was that with existing technology nothing could meet that standard. So go big or go home. The M4/M16, which has been fine-tuned for most of the last century now, is not going to be declared obsolete in favor of an upstart new rifle unless it is wildly ambitious and uses new technology to offer dramatically superior performance. I don't see how a steel based brass cartridge offers enough of an improvement to attract military interest, but part of that may be because the man presenting it did a poor job explaining the benefits. One thing it has going for it is that it's more proven technology, closely related to long established technology, and is surely much more ready to go into production. Advanced polymer-cased ammo is close but not quite ready to do major field testing. If I were developing a gun of the future at their very moment, it would probably be much easier to design it around the Sig bi-metal case than something like the LSAT cased or caseless ammo which is much more radically different and less ready to actually go into production. Sig's ammo and guns built to take advantage of it can probably be made right now.
If the base of that hybrid bullet is made of steel it would rust in high humidity environment. They should move away from metal based bullet and transition to plastic casing bullets wherein the casing would burn up when it fires. That would save weight and leave no trash on the ground.
@@politenessman3901 The whole idea is to lighten the load and make an average soldier as LETHAL as possible. They can make the round out of non corrosive, high strength light weight petroleum based polymer that would burn off under high combustion. Heat can be addressed by using titanium or other metal alloys to make the barrels....
I will just rephrase it in a simple sentece. Hybrid case, the base is made of steel because this part is not 100% by the chamber or bolt, this allows it to handle higher pressures. Higher pressures allows you to accelerate the bullet to higher speed. I saved you 8 minutes.
Both weapons look good and would be beneficial to our infantry. That out of the way, who was that young "bobblehead" with the glasses? A "yes man" if ever I saw one!
I'd go with 6.5 but the rest is fine, constant recoil is only useful in full auto so the rifle would need something different. Still dissapointed they tried nothing new with the ammo cases though.
US ARMY: so what ammo it uses? British army:can I see that torture test again? Saudi Arabian army: aaa...yes this will look great next to a lion I will take your entire stock
It might be a good rifle, light. but time will tell. Anything with proprietary ammo is going to be a tough sell. Even though it looks like it might be a standard 308 cartridge format.
This fella sounds like he’s selling a second hand car!
He's an israeli, need I say more
You're close...This cat was arrested by The German Federal Police in Frankfurt for illegal arms shipments of 38,000 units to the ____ in Columbia.....It cost Sig Sauer Germany GmbH $12Million.
and this lad....$675,000....
He was going down for 5 years.....but something happened
Shalom
Paul and Sue Roberts not a good one.
@@SoCalFreelance oy vey
No shit
He’s talking in circles and injecting a lot of “keywords”. He could’ve said what he needed to say in half the duration he took.
therover65 this guy needs to work on his consultative sales approach lol maybe then he could articulate his thoughts a little better
If Rachel Maddow was an international arms dealer.
@@haroldellis9721 Damn it it spilled my tea!
Austin Griff you have any idea how large Sig Sauer is when it comes to military contracts? They sell plllllllenty of firearms to the government.
Jewish bullshit artist
"propriety ammunition" = monopoly of ammunition production and price
Back Nforth awwwwwwwww not good.
@@sqr2024 Only if the USG is utterly incompetent, otherwise they will mandate the licencing of that IP to ensure multiple suppliers and an ability to rapidly scale up production at need. If Sig say no, it's on to the next bidder for the SA contract.
“Proprietary ammunition”= how to not get a contract.
Everybody on the ngsw submitted propietary ammo, it's quite litterally the reason for this contract to exist to provide new solutions for ammunition.
Producing proprietary ammunition is literally the goal of this program.
Have you actually done zero research before commenting, or do you just not understand what's going on here?
guy with the green lanyard wondering how he can skip cutscene
This was a little hard to watch
Sapper Neilsen I know there was so much that was inaccurate about what he was saying. Everything from needing more energy to that a can reduces back pressure.
@alohavoya
This world works by "who you know not what you know" standards. Especially when it comes to positions that net loads of money and power.
May the ENERGY be with you
Reza Hasiri
“Always”
Sig needs a better representative this guy is no salesman
Over 50 percent increase in power, 20 percent less weight, and the ability for ammunition factories to easily manufacture the new design with minimum changes to their machinery. Sounds like a win to me.
@@rayh7989 im just goin by what the dude said. So hes lying?
@@rayh7989 it wouldnt make sense to lie to the us military who are going to test the shit out of it before they buy a contract
@@garythesquidsquid7779 Army here. Unfortunately, that isn't how the military works. In the end it comes down to money and politicians' whims. Remember UCP camouflage, that kinda grey looking thing that didn't blend in with anything? Yeah. Some pog thought it was a good idea, so it got pushed out to the whole army.
And yes, as much as I like some Sig products, this dude is probably full of shit. They have a history of shady stuff like that. If I recall correctly, awhile ago they got caught up in a cartel related weapons smuggling scandal. If you want to check out another cool submission to the army's comtest, look for the General Dynamics RM277.
I'm out. Sleep time.
That's the president of Sig lol
Proprietary ammo? Good luck with that.
Only way that would work is if the US adopted the cartridge as a standardized round.
Am sure they probably asked them if their weapons system comes in 5.56 or 7.62. I appreciate what he is trying to accomplish, but NATO Forces carry interchangeable ammunition for a reason. Lethality is just one piece of the puzzle.
This is a finalist weapon system for the Army's new rifle/SAW. The Army is asking for a 6.8mm round, and as long as it shows better accuracy, range, power, and ability to defeat body armor they don't care how it's done. They are banking on it being a brand new round.
It's like a car manufacturer bringing out a new car and then saying the greatest selling point is that it requires a new type of proprietary magic gasoline.
@Sgtqman19 No, no they don't. 5.56 and 7.62 have been NATO standards for a very long time. During that time there have been many new weapons systems. Standardized non-proprietary ammo is the best logistics solution. If 6.8 is going to added to the mix, then it should be a non-proprietary standardized 6.8. Every new weapon system should be assessed on how it performs, cost, maintenance, etc, not that it uses a new proprietary ammo.
@@txhookey5608 He's talking about the NGSW submissions. All 3 candidates have a new ammo type, all 6.8mm, with either the hybrid casing, telescoping case or ceramic.
@@Atamusk
This is a logistical nightmare.
@@springbloom5940 The logistics don't have much to do with it. The Army is looking to modernize the combat rifle and build one that is superior to all others. The next big step in firearm tech. That includes improving on bullet design that has remained almost exactly the same for a century.
@@KingOfBattle119
'logistics dont have much to do with it'
Uhhh... wut? Seriously??? 🧐 A new weapon *is* logistics. This is *entirely* a logistical concern. They aren't looking to replace anything, they are merely trying to find out how much better than 'good enough', the 'best' is. They are not interested in modest improvements that require any logistical upsets, which is why every time someone comes up with a 'superior' rifle, someone else just sticks a new rail on the M16 and gives it a new cartridge loading.
The reason ammunition form has remained the same for a century, is because it works; and so well, ot cannot be surpassed. Just like the Armalite platform, it cannot be significantly improved, only tweaked. The AR/556 platform and the MiniMi are at the pinnacle of small arms design.
im from 60 years in the future watching this after iv seen forgotten weapons on this ammo.
That'd be crazy if it was true
Deathby KillerBong saw that episode , Gun Jesus looks super old!
Ouch.
Gun Jesus can multiply bullets.
More like 2 years into the future lol 😂
What is this "ENERGY" you speak of it seems to have mythical properties?
He's likely referring to the transfer of energy from the firing pin + internal energy of the bullet to kinetic energy of the round
@@alexstacks8819 This is actually an interesting concept.
Tiger Energy.
He’s talking about energy in terms of heat and how well his new brass can absorb as much as possible and takes it out of the system through ejection
@@lapinrigolo it's just small bullet big cartridge . More Kinetic energy m×v²/2 , less moment m×v . Good concept for penetrating Kevlar armour .
Machine guns have heavier recoil? I'm pretty sure due to the extra weight they have less and more manageable recoil compared to a rifle of the same caliber.
its true
Also depends on weight balancing
Think he's trying to say that the recoil is comparable to 556 in their rifle.
@@ruthlessrubberducky5729 yeah idk but this caliber is sucks, the rifle of the men didnt much when you have air support
@@mantkuttayr592 The caliber on the screen in the background said 7.62x51, standard nato rounds. Is that what you are taking about?
His accent sounds like a New Jersey mafioso with the speaking rhythm of Christopher Walken.
Bahahahhahahahah
He has a thick isreali accent
Bro I died laughing buahahaha
@@germaninvasion121 lmfao
@@germaninvasion121 Swiss moron.
Aside from the horrible presentation, I like the stuff SIG makes.
I didn’t think it was a bad presentation at all. He covered all the bases, especially at the end. Essentially, this LMG allows the soldier to shoot, move and communicate better. In the very near future, that will be essential because we will be fighting armored walking and flying machines.
_+Scott Walworth_
No, it won’t. The weight of your firearm has nothing to do with your ability to communicate. The main purpose behind lightening firearm weight is to reduce the overall weight you have to carry in the field. When you’re on a nine hour patrol through rough terrain, extra weight is quickly felt.
The issue isn’t that it’s lighter than other squad rifles, like an M249 for example. The issue is that it’s not chambered in 5.56. Try carrying 600+ rounds of M80 ball for nine hours, compared to 600+ rounds of M855; 7.62x51 is more than twice the weight.
The sound suppressor on the end of the mg aids in communication on the battlefield. It may also help preserve the user’s hearing over the long term.
What was presented in the video was a weapon system. System. It had three major components. The mg, the suppressor and an advanced optic.
The system weighs less than current weapon systems. The ammo on the General Dynamic system weighs the same as 5.56mm. So why all the concern about a change in caliber?
What no critic is addressing is the urgent need for improved, much improved, lethality, especially against armored targets.
Thinking armored robots are just around the corner. Some will walk and some will fly. The Army can’t afford to assume that tomorrow’s adversary will still be wearing flip flops and a man dress. Humans will barely be able to survive on the battlefield of tomorrow and they most certainly never will if they are armed with 5.56mm carbines.
Survival may be possible with enough range, lethality and low signature. And if the system is too heavy then change the uniform to flip flops and man dress and leave everything else except water at the FOB.
Just incase you missed it. "energy"
😂😂🤣😂🤣😂
6.8x 51... so it's 7mm-08, but necked down to .277 caliber.
The swedish army used to use the 6,5x55 for machineguns before adopting 308/223.. his argument "more energy but lighter than 308" is fucking retarded, if you want lighter ammo just go back and use the 6,5x55 which has way better ballistics than this "wonder bullet" hell if you want a modern bullet just use the 6,5cm goddamit no need to reinvent the wheel
@@swedish_steel7861 Case length and a cost that you and I will stay away from (the 2 piece case is going to be expensive and un-reloadable) .. Do note the argument of having this be withing the realm of the military industry and 'proprietary' [patent royalties]
@@swedish_steel7861 lighter overall than the .308, you seem to be confusing projectile weight with overall weight of the round.
Yup.
The amount of times the second guy nods seems completely absurd to me LOL
XxWarMongerxX what’s he supposed to do listening to that shit
He's an analyst and that's the CEO of Sig Sauer, he's going to be pretty polite.
He looks like an idiot
He's actually jamming out to Megadeth on invisible ear buds.
Energy, energy energy, energy energy energy. Energy energy - energy - energy energy energy! Energy, energy!
-Sig Sauer CEO
The amount of time he says energy
If he says energy one more time...
The reason the US Army keeps funding projects to replace m4, 5.56, and m249 is because they want to see what new technology weapon manufacturers have to offer then do a benefits to cost analysis. Unforntally weapon manufacturers since the 80s have yet to come out with something so good that the US Army is willing to replace their whole stockpile of M4s and 5.56 ammo which no manufacture has been able to do except HK with the M27 replacing m249 for the Marines. M4/16 platform modular design is really good unfortunately. The biggest issue tho is the standard issue NATO STANAG 556 mag which are fucking garbage and are the biggest reason the m4 jams. Magpul mags tho are amazing
depends on the how old magazine is and what follower it has installed. any metallic stanag magazine will outlast a polymer magazine. the m27 was a way for the marines to get a better m4/m16. m27 also has a issue's with parts falling off and disassembly/cleaning in the field. the m27 is not anything new and hasnt replaced any m249's. go ask a marine who used one and you'll get stories about broken bipods and losing rubber buttpads.
The magus aren't garbage. They're a disposable item, that's treated like gold in the supply chains. Add armorers that don't give a shit, and keep issuing .gas that have been deadlined, and you get problems.
They allready did 6.8 spc
We are really getting close to the best that a rifle can actually get. Unless of course that in 50 years something gets invented that makes guns useless.
@@n0oo7 there's always room for improvement, and keep in mind that sci-fi has fueled innovation for decades. I doubt we'll see lasers any time soon, but rifles like in the second alien movie are feasible.
Since when did Gerard butler start doing sales for Sig?
This sounds like there representative didn’t show up, and they grabbed some random guy off the streets and said they’d pay him to talk up the rifle
"protect the health of the shooter..." LOL
Laugh now, but think agent orange.
No consideration for the health of the person being shot at though. 😢
@@dewlittle1211 it was meant to be ironic.
A quieter gun would be sweeter.
Lead poisoning a real thing bro, when you run suppressed you get a lot of that gas blowback in your face
It's about damn time the gun industry took "harmful carcinogens" seriously!
I like the part where he starts to explain what lethality means
maybe some people there has gender studies degrees and somehow got jobs in defense companies don't know weapons are meant to kill people.
@@backnforth8401 Seems like there actually are a few people like that.
I missed the bit about ENERGY can you explain that bit.
LOL
Everyone take a shot every time he says "Energy".
Hey now we don't want to kill anyone. That's more lethal than this ammo.
Ha!
And everytime the interviewer nods! You'll be puking by the 3 minute mark!
Quite possibly the least eloquent CEO of a major company I've ever heard.
How good do you sound in your 2nd or 3rd language? While talking technicals, on camera, with a new gun.......
Wow, Sig is on fire! The P320, P365 and now these! Wow, these guys are innovators. I really hope our military gives them the contract. Never knew about them until the P320 but wow, I'm a huge fan now.
How is the man on the left not dizzy
Of course that sight allows you to lase then shoot and incapacitate with one shot. Of course that is how all sig optics perform.
The recoil is low because it is a 12 pound gun. Lower felt recoil is also found in lighter bullets.
If I had a choice, I'd issue a contract to FightLite. Their lightweight machinegun utilize AR15 lower, is very light and works with standard 5,56. Only it should fire from open bolt position, which shouldn't be difficult to achieve.
problem is when you begin approaching 4000 FPS velocity the barrel wears out way too fast. So they’re going to need to invent a new type of barrel too
How I can order one? Can you send us the link? Thank you
-a chinese retroengineer
You have a problem with the Chinese?
RW 我是中国间谍，你也是吗？
@@polduseri909 yeah. I don't understand what that means
RW He doesn’t have a problem with the Chinese because he is a Chinese retro engineer..
@@dickensanthony if he is a Chinese retro engineer, he wouldn't say it. Would he? I think he's just a regular troll.
When you have a word count on your essay
how many times can this guy say "Energy" in one interview?
(Muzzle) Energy. 6,8 was always a niche cartridge but maybe they figured it out. What they mean is increasing the amount of damage the bullet can inflict while reducing the weight of the cartridge itself. More hurt for less materials.
Won’t be surprised if they fit the Virtus for 6,8 and sell that as the new rifle for direct action.
There is an actual improvement here in the sense that the cartridge is rated at 550 MPa when the next best available is 450 MPa. The main limiting factor is traditionally the way brass behaves at high pressures.
The gun itself is nice, but nothing new.
Unless they specifically asked for this I don’t think the army is gonna be onboard for a proprietary ammo type for the squad support gunner because he needs to be able to share 5.56 with his comrades when things don’t go as planned or at the very least be able to share 7.62 with the designated marksman and introducing a new round could become a logistical complication
The Army did ask for it, provided the goal specifications and the bullet to be used. The bullet is designed to defeat armor at impressive ranges, using steel instead of tungsten.
Sig is really developing some innoovative products.
This hybrid ammo COULD be a logistics nightmare....
Missing from new 6.8 information: Chamber pressure, bullet weight, muzzle velocity, ballistic coefficient.
So does that mean we can get surplus squad weapons soon? Lol
Why would he think we believe him, talking about a 1st round hit at 1200m with a heavy MG....
I don't know what exact material the steel bottom if the casing is but if it's not plated it will rust and cause more problems. Suppressors on a light machine gun will catch so much carbon it will eventually cause malfunction.
Interesting but fail, the us army has a history of calling for a new this or that, dragging the testing out for years and then not adopting the winner, especially if it's foriegn or adoping anything at all but it's the proprietary ammunition that trips this up.
All of the NGSW submissions have proprietary ammo, SIG's is actually the closest to traditional cartridges.
They should redesign the MCX SPEAR to have the same recoil reduction system. I also heard SIG was planning to use titanium instead of brass later on to further reduce weight, but i'd advice to use a nickel-aluminum alloy instead like Shell Shock Technologies has but with a stronger steel base thier the aluminum base.
This guy sounded like he was making shit up on the spot - like he is just winging his sales presentation based on the only two things he knows about the product
No,no,no, he made that ammo proprietary so only he can make and sell it if this thing is picked up by Big Army. No one else can make this ammo. No other brand of 6.8 ammo dimensionally fits the feed tray and barrel! They told us this at Shotshow.
No military is going to pick this nonsense up. They want stuff that works with the ammo they already have in inventory.
H3R3T1C - It’s part of the requirements of the program; all three entries have some form of new case.
He need more energy then that ammo
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I wonder if this hybrid cartridge design can be applied to tank guns so that armor penetration can be increased.
So you have an LMG that doesn’t produce a beaten zone or will that be created through variation in round load specifically produced for the MG drums
These new weapons are by far superior to the other submissions. We can only hope for broad adoption by all US services. The clear advatage goes to any troops in the world, armed with these weapons. The future is amazing and well worth the change over.
for what it's worth, Sig Sauer is not the only entrant in the NGSW programme that is using proprietary ammunition.
Bout time they made a video about the most interesting machine gun in this entire program, still dissapointed they tried nothing new with the ammo, though. All because they are afraid of changing the status quo. I love how he told us nothing about how having a steel base "increases energy", also wasn't the army requirement 30% weight reduction at the very least?
Is there any different between
.338 NORMA & .338 Lapua.?
Can you change the barrel when it gets to hot to shoot? If not it's just another upgraded M16 w fancy shit on it.
Why not use that ammo technology on the 556 round to make it more powerful?
how about useing a high gas blast to make the bulet travel faster and more powerful
Sounds like a flop the moment he said proprietary ammo.
The benefit of a SAW is that it is loaded with the same ammunition as the rest of the squad...
All you have to do is make a SAW that's lighter and shoots 5.56 or 7.62 and you beat this submission.
Which processor chip is in the ballistic calculator?
I'd like to see what they're proposed replacement for the M4 is if they want us to use a SAW in 6.8. The automatic rifleman should be using the same round as everyone else. Machine gunners and designated marksman should have bigger stuff.
Why?
@@patrickjohnson3862 interchangeable ammo between rifle squad members
@@roadhouse6999 Why won't that apply for DMs and machine gunners?
@@patrickjohnson3862 The purpose of a medium machine gun is to provide higher volume of fire and just a lot more fuck-offness than a squad automatic weapon would. That's why we have both the M249 (chambered in 5.56, same cartridge as the M4) and the 240B (7.62, same round as the M110 SASS).
A DMR *can* be chambered in the same cartridge as a service rifle, but that wouldn't make much sense, seeing as DMRs are designed to almost exclusively be used at long distance and thus need more powerful rounds to have more energy on target and also kill their targets quicker so that their position isn't discovered. The reason why you wouldn't make a service rifle in a full caliber like that is so that soldiers can carry more ammunition and it's easier for them to fight in close quarters. Also, the standard rifleman's position wouldn't be as discreet as the Designated Marksman's, because there would be more rifleman and SAW gunners in their general area, shooting in the same direction.
I hope that clarifies things for you.
More expensive Ammo difficult to make a battlefield oddity not in ready supply meanwhile 7.62x54R a century old cartridge is still doing its job.
yfelwulf .50 BMG too
The only man alive who can make a machine gun sound boring.
muzzle velocity? Will this penetrate body armor at say one hundred yards?
So it's Brass plated Steel case loaded to over 80000 psi chamber pressure????
It had better have a hell of a bolt.
THE ENEGY WILL PROTECT HIM.
I appreciate the ingenuity, but i prefer domestic Arms Manufactures (General Dynamics, Barrett, Daniel defense, keltec, Smith & wesson) to be receiving the U.S. Army contracts.
"Proprietary Ammunition" I stopped listening after that. Looks nice though. As a SAW gunner I can testify that the Army definitely needs a replacement.
He’s the president of the company, speaking not his first language. I thought he did well.
Sounds great... what about the competition what are they doing?
Want to see it compared to the KAC LMG and the IWI Negev.
I always wanted ENERGY I just never new what ENERGY was I’ll take ENERGY thanks sig?
Can someone translate what this guy said into plain English? The meaning was lost to me beneath the buzzwords, redundancy, and vagueness. So this is just a brass case with a steel base?
I understood, perhaps incorrectly, that he was saying that it will enable higher pressures to achieve more energy without increasing case capacity. But isn't a 60% increase in pressures like I think he's talking about impractical because such high pressures would mean a more wear on the gun and the barrel, requiring advanced technology that may not exist to overcome? We'd have to redesign the operating mechanisms around the higher pressures and try something different with the barrels that goes in a completely different direction from the trend toward thin and even pencil barrels we've been seeing. I like the idea of fitting a more powerful cartridge in an AR-15 so that I don't have to go to a large-frame AR to shoot something with more legs (6 and 6.5mm Creed, 7mm-08, 6 Dasher, etc.) but it seems like it might make more sense to just design a sort of intermediate modernized AR and new magazine shooting a 6-7mm round at ideal speed (probably around 3000fps). And if we're designing a new round that will require new guns and magazines and we're abandoning backwards compatibility, I would think that the polymer-cased ammunition technology provides more benefits than this from Sig. I may be wrong, but if I heard right than this new case will require new cartridges, guns, and magazines, and so the backwards compatibility selling point is a vague promise that more of the manufacturing tooling can be utilized than with competing new cartridge case technologies like the LSAT polymer cased telescoped ammo.
The US military has demonstrated for many decades now an unwillingness to make major small arms changes unless there is a dramatic increase in effectiveness. I think they said they wanted a 200% improvement for the M4's replacement or they wouldn't change, and the widespread feeling was that with existing technology nothing could meet that standard. So go big or go home. The M4/M16, which has been fine-tuned for most of the last century now, is not going to be declared obsolete in favor of an upstart new rifle unless it is wildly ambitious and uses new technology to offer dramatically superior performance. I don't see how a steel based brass cartridge offers enough of an improvement to attract military interest, but part of that may be because the man presenting it did a poor job explaining the benefits. One thing it has going for it is that it's more proven technology, closely related to long established technology, and is surely much more ready to go into production. Advanced polymer-cased ammo is close but not quite ready to do major field testing. If I were developing a gun of the future at their very moment, it would probably be much easier to design it around the Sig bi-metal case than something like the LSAT cased or caseless ammo which is much more radically different and less ready to actually go into production. Sig's ammo and guns built to take advantage of it can probably be made right now.
why hybrid steel case, when u can just make a pure steel case?
Does the can glow red on full-auto? How many rounds is the can good for?
5 bucks says your "hybrid ammo" is going to have the rims ripped off on extraction
If the base of that hybrid bullet is made of steel it would rust in high humidity environment. They should move away from metal based bullet and transition to plastic casing bullets wherein the casing would burn up when it fires. That would save weight and leave no trash on the ground.
Metal cases take some of the heat with them when they are ejected.
@@politenessman3901 The whole idea is to lighten the load and make an average soldier as LETHAL as possible. They can make the round out of non corrosive, high strength light weight petroleum based polymer that would burn off under high combustion. Heat can be addressed by using titanium or other metal alloys to make the barrels....
Take a shot every time he says energy.
'We created proprietary new ammunition..'
So what you're saying is you don't actually want your new gun to sell or get any contracts. Gotcha.
Would someone please explain the relevance of a silencer? Those rounds look like they are supersonic to me.
the silencer makes it harder to determine location of the shooter
The minute they went with proprietary ammunition is the minute they lost the contract.
Brass and steel is out bro they have polymer casing now ...lighter cheaper get with the times 6.8
Wonder how comfortable it is to carry this in staggered squad...i hate the m249 now and its smaller
I´m no expert, but suppressors and machineguns shooting 200+ rounds in a short period of time don´t go well.
@Slippery Storm That´s right. He sounded like a Tai Chi master the whole interview.
I will just rephrase it in a simple sentece.
Hybrid case, the base is made of steel because this part is not 100% by the chamber or bolt, this allows it to handle higher pressures. Higher pressures allows you to accelerate the bullet to higher speed.
I saved you 8 minutes.
Did he mention energy at all? I feel like energy is an important factor.🤔
Does anyone know if this new ammo will solve the problem of ENERGY? ... Apparently - or so I hear - it’s been a problem for a long time
Both weapons look good and would be beneficial to our infantry. That out of the way, who was that young "bobblehead" with the glasses? A "yes man" if ever I saw one!
My requirements:
6.8mm
Overengineered to be reliable
Constant recoil system
No unnecessary metal/rail
I'd go with 6.5 but the rest is fine, constant recoil is only useful in full auto so the rifle would need something different. Still dissapointed they tried nothing new with the ammo cases though.
@@2Potates I don't see what's wrong with 6.8 SPC
Salesman:I sell energy and energy related products I tell you whut Mmm Hmmm
"We protect the health.......... of the shooter." LOL...
SO MUCH ENERGY!
I'm pretty sure this guy just basically said that there's a HEPPA filter for a suppressor lol
How does he make a machine gun sound boring?
US ARMY: so what ammo it uses?
British army:can I see that torture test again?
Saudi Arabian army: aaa...yes this will look great next to a lion I will take your entire stock
It might be a good rifle, light. but time will tell. Anything with proprietary ammo is going to be a tough sell. Even though it looks like it might be a standard 308 cartridge format.
The ammo sounds more expensive
The " good idea fairy" has it's own channel. That thing looks 5 feet long