@@MarleyNFFCbecause in the vidoe he said that its rare for all 3 promoted teams to get relegated and all 3 newly promoted clubs are in the relegation zone with forest being 1 place above (please dont tell me you still dont get it)
It’s looking like it’s about to happen for the second ever time this season. Luton has a slim chance but I doubt they can keep up. They had a good fight though. Can’t say the same about the other two who simply have given up already
Wouldn’t count out Luton yet- Nottingham have looked really poor, Everton might also have more points deducted, Brentford, Palace and Bournemouth can still be dragged into the scrap. Just 18th place to fight against though, Burnley and Sheffield locked up the bottom 2 spots
The fact that a lot of the staying up is a more recent tells a lot about the recent capabilities of newly promoted teams on average. (Though this year it’s looking like we’re repeating history for the 1st time since the 90s)
Sincere question: Right now, Leeds and Leicester are at the top of the Championship table. Southampton is currently fourth. Assuming the results hold and Southampton were to win promotion, would that be the first time the three relegated teams were all promoted back in the same year?
@@danielcunningham6727 Ipswich town are second. So they can go to the premier league automatically. Leeds are third and Southampton are 4th. So it isn’t likely that all three who got relegated will come back up
@boeing-777x yeah but that's not the final table though is it bro there's still like what 9-10 games left? The championship is more unpredictable than most of the top leagues personally I can see ipswich dropping points
And how often do three relegated teams immediately come back up to the PL? Would be interesting to know if this scenario of Luton, Sheff Utd and Burnley all going back down and Leicester, Leeds and Southampton coming up has ever happened before
2/3 has happened a few times, never all 3. Watford and Norwich 20-21. Burnley and Hull 15-16. Newcastle and WBA 2009-10. Forest and Boro 1997-98. Forest and Palace 1993-94.
Imagine if Leicester, Leeds and Southampton get promoted this season and Burnley, Luton and Sheffield United get relegated this season. We'd have the same 20 teams in the prem just like 2 seasons ago.
I didn't know there had been four occasions when all three newly promoted teams had stayed up - I only remembered the first one, possibly because it was such a long time before it happened again!
The fact that in only 4 seasons in history have the newly promoted teams all stayed up in the premier league is mad. Shows the disparity between the prem and championship
I mean all the relegated team last season now in promotion section. Look at now Leicester won Championship and promoted back next season. Hopefully they'll do the 2014-15 season performance along with the other 2
In the first season after their promotion, they pulled a 2-2 draw against Liverpool. They also advanced to the quarter final, even took the lead against Man Utd until Sancho’s triple red card shot happened.
Because we're a proper Premier League club, that's why. We beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, Arsenal only got 1 point out of 6 off us over the two games this season, we managed two 5-0 wins in a row, we're on the up :)
Prem title battles are always way more boring cuz it’s always the same 4-5 clubs (minus a few glaring exceptions like Leicester). Relegation and promotion battles are thrilling
@@DudeTotally1000 oh yeah 100% but I think it’s a side effect caused by other problems in football. but I mean I support a lower league club so who am I to chat about the prem lol
As an American, I will never understand why Europeans won’t put salary caps on their sports. If you’re born in some town like Middlesbrough what’s the point? Your team will never win a premier league title. Don’t you guys get bored of the same 3 or 4 teams winning every year. It’s not really an achievement if you buy a title and don’t play a lot of level competition. And I’m a man united fan so you know I have know reason to make it more fair for the little guys.
While the wages some footballers make are way too high, I don't think a salary cap would be of any use. 1. Demand for football is fairly inelastic, so clubs would likely continue to charge high prices despite spending less on wage bills, i.e. increasing profits at their workers' expense. Applied to any other industry, the idea is a complete non-starter. 2. Footballers are often working class, and their wages can go to improving the lives of their families and communities. I would rather they take a greater share of profits than the oligarchs and petro-states that own the football clubs. 3. It would need to be applied globally, i.e. be FIFA mandated, which would be difficult to do in practice given all the different stakeholders. This would be akin to aligning tax rates across the world - someone will always try to undercut so they can attract the best and improve their league at the expense of the others.
Firstly, unlike American sports European sports focus a lot more on the freedom of clubs to do what they want. Secondly, there's no draft or anything to equalise teams. Implementing a salary cap would mean that teams with great academies would just hold onto fantastic young players and pay them virtually nothing in order to stay under the salary cap - as opposed to loaning them out to lower league sides who can benefit. Also, you'd have to make the salary cap equal across the entire footballing world in order to keep the leagues equal. Furthermore, it would only entrench the top teams more, as if everyone gets similar salaries a player would rather play for a team at the top of the table than one at the bottom. There are plenty of players who are willing to take pay cuts in order to go to a top team. Also, the system doesn't work badly. For instance, Middlesborough I believe have reached a Europa League semi final (or even final) since 2000, as well as Fulham reaching a final, Newcastle in 2013 reaching a final (they had only gained promotion 3 years earlier), Leicester winning the Premier League, Aston Villa currently in 4th, Brighton in European competition and plenty more outside of England (Bayer Leverkusen, Lille, Girona). Most teams in the top two divisions of a country will at some point in a lifetime be one of the best in the country, and in England (the country with the most teams like Middlesborough) lower league football is still a big thing and though it doesn't compare to the highest level you get accustomed to the smaller successes. The American system only really works in leagues with small numbers of teams and fixed divisions that don't compete on a regular basis with foreign teams. I'm absolutely certain that it would fall apart when applied to the massive international football system.
Imagine this happened at the end of the season: 1.Burnley, Sheffield United, and Luton Town all relegated. 2.Leicester City, Leeds United, and Southampton all promoted (though they must hope Ipswich Town lost so many remaining games).
Who’s here after it happened in the 23-24 season :0
Fun Fact Man city has the same the exact stats as Sheffield just reversed lol
Me
@@Offerabwell that's just a lie
No its not lol. Both have 7 draws. City have 28 wins sheffield utd have 28 losses @Justcuz_editz
@@OfferabSheffield got 16 points, if man citys points were the opposite way, they would have 19 points.
Nottingham Forest watching this: *chuckles* I’m in danger
Why
Dont jinx us😂
@@MarleyNFFCcuz they were promoted to pl and the very next 2 seasons they won the ucl(uefa cup that time)
@@helpmehuo hardly see how that means we are in danger, CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE YOU'LL NEVER SING THAT
@@MarleyNFFCbecause in the vidoe he said that its rare for all 3 promoted teams to get relegated and all 3 newly promoted clubs are in the relegation zone with forest being 1 place above (please dont tell me you still dont get it)
It’s looking like it’s about to happen for the second ever time this season. Luton has a slim chance but I doubt they can keep up. They had a good fight though. Can’t say the same about the other two who simply have given up already
Wouldn’t count out Luton yet- Nottingham have looked really poor, Everton might also have more points deducted, Brentford, Palace and Bournemouth can still be dragged into the scrap. Just 18th place to fight against though, Burnley and Sheffield locked up the bottom 2 spots
@@enzotansingco2199Sheffield united I hate when people call them Sheffield you don’t call Man U Manchester do you
@@Jhbodzalthough I get your argument, we also don’t call Man U as Manchester United a lot of the time, it’s all about simple abbreviations
@@enzotansingco2199forest can also drop points so I reckon they'll stay up at forests expense
@@enzotansingco2199 f Burnley, Sheffailed and Palace
The fact that a lot of the staying up is a more recent tells a lot about the recent capabilities of newly promoted teams on average.
(Though this year it’s looking like we’re repeating history for the 1st time since the 90s)
Sincere question: Right now, Leeds and Leicester are at the top of the Championship table. Southampton is currently fourth. Assuming the results hold and Southampton were to win promotion, would that be the first time the three relegated teams were all promoted back in the same year?
Bruh Ipswich town are second and Leeds are third what ru talking about. Ipswich town will probable promote to pl
@@boeing-777x Southampton could go up through the play offs
@@danielcunningham6727yes but second is automatic promotion
@@danielcunningham6727 Ipswich town are second. So they can go to the premier league automatically. Leeds are third and Southampton are 4th. So it isn’t likely that all three who got relegated will come back up
@boeing-777x yeah but that's not the final table though is it bro there's still like what 9-10 games left? The championship is more unpredictable than most of the top leagues personally I can see ipswich dropping points
And how often do three relegated teams immediately come back up to the PL? Would be interesting to know if this scenario of Luton, Sheff Utd and Burnley all going back down and Leicester, Leeds and Southampton coming up has ever happened before
2/3 has happened a few times, never all 3. Watford and Norwich 20-21. Burnley and Hull 15-16. Newcastle and WBA 2009-10. Forest and Boro 1997-98. Forest and Palace 1993-94.
Imagine if Leicester, Leeds and Southampton get promoted this season and Burnley, Luton and Sheffield United get relegated this season. We'd have the same 20 teams in the prem just like 2 seasons ago.
that was so close to happening!
Leicester, Ipswich and Southampton...
POV: You’re watching this after the 23/24 season
money fr
It happened in the 23-24 season. I honestly don't know how Burnley didn't stay up because I think they should be a EPL regular.
I didn't know there had been four occasions when all three newly promoted teams had stayed up - I only remembered the first one, possibly because it was such a long time before it happened again!
As a Spurs fan, ‘97-98 is a tough final table to look at. Arsenal in first and Tottenham in… 14th 🤕
is it ze history of ze Tottenham 😂
This was pre-Levy, he has us used to better things, but fans will whinge..
I’m sure there were many moments like these. Arsenal 13 PL titles to Totnum’s 2. Even Huddersfield have more, including 13 other clubs.
Weird how it was Everton who pushed Bolton and the other 2 teams down when it last happened. And now it's again Everton, carrying a 10 point penalty
The penalty was reduced to -6 on appeal
The fact that in only 4 seasons in history have the newly promoted teams all stayed up in the premier league is mad. Shows the disparity between the prem and championship
I mean all the relegated team last season now in promotion section. Look at now Leicester won Championship and promoted back next season. Hopefully they'll do the 2014-15 season performance along with the other 2
It’s crazy how much fulham has improved since promotion😮
It is unlikely to happen like in Vleague, Hanoi Police won the league after the first year promoted to the league
Its weird how Fulham just got promoted and are just behind chelsea and thrashed West Ham
In the first season after their promotion, they pulled a 2-2 draw against Liverpool. They also advanced to the quarter final, even took the lead against Man Utd until Sancho’s triple red card shot happened.
Because we're a proper Premier League club, that's why. We beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, Arsenal only got 1 point out of 6 off us over the two games this season, we managed two 5-0 wins in a row, we're on the up :)
All 3 might go down this year
They already are. No way is Luton catching up
@@Whatthescallop1776Luton still has a slim chance. Burnley and Sheffield are basically out at this point
@@Whatthescallop1776 With potential points deduction (Everton and Nottingham Forest), Luton might sirvive in a miracle.
Nah Luton is staying up! Down with the forest and ton of ever 💀
@@Tring69fr luton staying up🗿
This year is just and outlier. People forget so quickly that Forest, Bournemouth and Fulham all stayed up. Fulham even finished 10th.
Relegation battle is generally more interesting than the title battle
Add playoffs and that won't be a problem.
Prem title battles are always way more boring cuz it’s always the same 4-5 clubs (minus a few glaring exceptions like Leicester). Relegation and promotion battles are thrilling
@@vulturesmusic1617 Don't you think that the losers of the league being the most exciting part is a problem?
@@DudeTotally1000 oh yeah 100% but I think it’s a side effect caused by other problems in football. but I mean I support a lower league club so who am I to chat about the prem lol
@@vulturesmusic1617 Lower leagues are way more fun anyway lol
Only happened in the 1997-98 season
2023-24:Am I a joke to you?
This was made before the end of the season
For me the most shocking thing is that city have actually been relegated in the premier league yet no one talks about this for some reason
They're relegated until EFL league one in 1998
It happened again… it happened agai…….n… immediate relegation… it happened again!
Burnley, Sheffield and luton.
All three promoted teams in the premier league getting relegated happens this Season too
For now… given the money in the PL currently, and the mess that is the championship, it will become more often, if not the norm itself
Don't forget nottingham Forest has double the UCLs as man city
I'm rooting on Luton to stay up this season
From the future to most of these comments but in the past if you're reading this it happened again
23-24 season, hello there
People here after 23/24
And the clubs that came up in 22-23 are now solid top half material.
Everton might just pull a Houdini on Luton, and we'd have a second relegation of all three promoted teams. 😅
These bots are crazy
This season all 3 promoted teams might be relegated.
This aged like fine wine 🍷
It happened again with Luton Burnley and Sheffield United
I think it’s going to happen again this season too!! 😅😅
And Sheffield united, Burnley and Luton town
Were all relegated after coming up
Luton, Burnley, Sheffield United to recreate
happening this season maybe..
I wouldn't call all the promoted teams staying up "the reverse". The reverse would be all the relegated teams being promoted.
Last year
Me from huddersfield 😮
Forest 🙏🙏
Make that 2
23-24 all promoted teams religion
Here after the 3 promoted sides of 2023 are back in the efl championship
Looks like all the newly promoted teams are going back down this season
And last season now
only happens once...... until now
Twice now
Everton are almost in the same situation again 😂 vs Luton this time
I guess history repeats itself, 23/24 PL table now 18 Luton town 19 Burney 20 Sheffield united
We should have stayed up that season, no doubt about it
Burnley is getting relegated again this season.
Scorching hot take
RIP Burnley
Everton x barely surviving
Everton have been escaping relegation for so long man...
you just have to be better than teams that narrowly escaped relegation the last year
Thatll be a second time
This aged well😂😂
Luton's gonna pull it off. Not so sure about Burnley. But we all know what's gonna happen to Sheffield United...
Burnley are going down
And those 3 clubs got promoted last season
Tottenham 💀
Just another reminder that Leicester really did the impossible dream.
welp, seems like everton is playing with the relagation zone again, to be fair, its because of the england FA
If i comment does youtube AI push silimlar content?
Damn Everton scrapping by since forever 😂
And the 23/24 season😭
Real question is how many teams get relegated after 2 seasons? Is second season syndrome real?
Nottm is having a heart attack
How funny would it be if Arsenal did end up winning the league this year. Then both times it happened arsenal would have also won the league 😂
So... you're saying Luton have a chance?
IM THE 4.9 THOUSANDTH LIKE EVERY TIME I TAP IT IT CHANGEX
Sheffield,luton and Burnley in 2024😂
Everton survivors
This is happening again probably.
I can see Luton surviving. No hope for Burnley and Sheffield United tho
@@KitoAkari1612 Yeah but if Nott Forest gets destroged by everyone,Luton will go to 17th if God wants.
@@KitoAkari1612 Oh oh this comments aged badly,now Luton has no chance of coming up.
@@raphael09noar one point below Nottingham Forest in 17th. Maybe they can survive by sheer miracle like Everton used to.
@@KitoAkari1612This comment didn't age well
It’s happened again
cool . now tell us why please
Meanwhile 23/24
It will happen again
2
Ofc it’s Everton😂
Everton can't get relegated 6
As an American, I will never understand why Europeans won’t put salary caps on their sports. If you’re born in some town like Middlesbrough what’s the point? Your team will never win a premier league title. Don’t you guys get bored of the same 3 or 4 teams winning every year. It’s not really an achievement if you buy a title and don’t play a lot of level competition. And I’m a man united fan so you know I have know reason to make it more fair for the little guys.
While the wages some footballers make are way too high, I don't think a salary cap would be of any use.
1. Demand for football is fairly inelastic, so clubs would likely continue to charge high prices despite spending less on wage bills, i.e. increasing profits at their workers' expense. Applied to any other industry, the idea is a complete non-starter.
2. Footballers are often working class, and their wages can go to improving the lives of their families and communities. I would rather they take a greater share of profits than the oligarchs and petro-states that own the football clubs.
3. It would need to be applied globally, i.e. be FIFA mandated, which would be difficult to do in practice given all the different stakeholders. This would be akin to aligning tax rates across the world - someone will always try to undercut so they can attract the best and improve their league at the expense of the others.
Firstly, unlike American sports European sports focus a lot more on the freedom of clubs to do what they want. Secondly, there's no draft or anything to equalise teams. Implementing a salary cap would mean that teams with great academies would just hold onto fantastic young players and pay them virtually nothing in order to stay under the salary cap - as opposed to loaning them out to lower league sides who can benefit. Also, you'd have to make the salary cap equal across the entire footballing world in order to keep the leagues equal. Furthermore, it would only entrench the top teams more, as if everyone gets similar salaries a player would rather play for a team at the top of the table than one at the bottom. There are plenty of players who are willing to take pay cuts in order to go to a top team.
Also, the system doesn't work badly. For instance, Middlesborough I believe have reached a Europa League semi final (or even final) since 2000, as well as Fulham reaching a final, Newcastle in 2013 reaching a final (they had only gained promotion 3 years earlier), Leicester winning the Premier League, Aston Villa currently in 4th, Brighton in European competition and plenty more outside of England (Bayer Leverkusen, Lille, Girona). Most teams in the top two divisions of a country will at some point in a lifetime be one of the best in the country, and in England (the country with the most teams like Middlesborough) lower league football is still a big thing and though it doesn't compare to the highest level you get accustomed to the smaller successes.
The American system only really works in leagues with small numbers of teams and fixed divisions that don't compete on a regular basis with foreign teams. I'm absolutely certain that it would fall apart when applied to the massive international football system.
Newcastle is richest club in the world though
4 min gang
Ffs Everton escaped again
And none of them will win
Imagine this happened at the end of the season:
1.Burnley, Sheffield United, and Luton Town all relegated.
2.Leicester City, Leeds United, and Southampton all promoted (though they must hope Ipswich Town lost so many remaining games).
100 th comment (I achieved nothing)
So it's always Everton who are 17th and avoid relegation always by luck... lol
Coincidentally, Everton in 17th place as usual
This is just confusing.
I'll stick with my American Football.
Yup it happened again
And everyone knows Everton paid a ref that season.
Twice now