I’m a long time member of Lake Pointe Church. (78 yr old female) Teach a women’s life group. I have never heard Pastor Josh or anyone preach a watered down gospel message. Women have spoke to the whole congregation many times. Yes, things changed when Josh came, he is a different person. That happens to many churches. The music is not any louder than previously. I’m sorry you felt you were treated like a 2nd class member. I have never had that experience and have subbed for Life Group Leaders in mixed groups.
Use your podcast to guide people to God, not gossip. How many lives have accepted Jesus because of this podcast? If it's not intended to save people's lives, repent and run to Jesus, it's just Gossip which is nothing less than SIN. May Good help you and all involved look at the big picture in our lost world and make a difference, not add more fire to the fire. Amen!
I'm a returning missionary and so I've been watching various commentaries on American culture and where the Church is headed. Recently, I have been reading 1 Samuel where the Israelities rejected God and asked for a king so that they could be like the world. The USA has done the same thing. They rejected God’s pattern for the church whereby small group of believers would encourage each other and develop interdependence and shifted towards a business model. But unlike corporations which have checks and balances such as functioning HR departments and government oversight, Megachurches are still using the relationship model found in Scripture. They do this so that they are not accountable. If they really did want to follow the Bible they would stop being a megachurch, create smaller congregations and empower everyone to serve as it states in Ephesians 4:11-12.
I don't care for mega churches. But in the book of Acts, there was a church that grew to have 3,000. But these were souls being saved, and God was adding to that church daily.
I think Pastor Josh Howerton is doing a good job. I am glad to see megachurch pastor confronting the sins of the American culture... Naturally where ever the Holy Spirit is moving there is opposition
I notice you don’t use scripture to educator or rebuke, but instead just gossip. This is just an attack on a great church and gifted pastor. How does this further the message of Christ?
This is absolute rubish. First, Claiming that women on their wedding night are not consenting is wild. Second, if what you hear is non consent on the wedding night then why aren't you upset about the non consent of the man the entire day, would you call that marital kidnapping? This podcast is a simple drama mill that whipps up animosity against the church, inside a culture that is already Godless.
@maryj1156 what is the purpose of marriage in your opinion? "On your wedding night" is synonymous for a reason and pretending like it's not for sexual relations is simply intellectually dishonest.
I feel that Pastor Josh Howerton is an amazing leader and leads the church well. He encourages men to step up and lead their families, which is biblical, for us all to submit to one another which od also biblical. We also have several women events in english and spanish, women leaders, etc. As for the changes during COVID, every church, business, families, etc were affected and returned to the best of their abilities. And naturally pastors preaching using biblical truths will use similar verbiage. Just like I'm called Mimi, there are others who call their loved ones Mimi prior to me and after me. The music has always been loud, for the past 20 years that I've been there and yes for those who dont like it jave the option to attend in a different room rather than the main auditorium or attend a different church. We also have classical service for this very reason. Is he perfect? No, no one is. Someone will ALWAYS get offended for one reason or another. We do anything short of sinning to get people to come to Jesus. Just like Jesus ate with sinners we are called to do the same thing. Obviously there isn't alcohol served at the tailgating events or cookouts that are held. He clearly is finding ways to encourage men/families to be in community with one another and not skip out on church. As far as the wedding night is he wrong? No! Biblically the night of the wedding there is sexual activity. Clearly you can twist or interpret it the way you want. I definetly didnt take it offensive or thatbhe was saying women are forced into sexual submission. There has been more good come from Lakepointe Church than the misuse of words that you are speaking of.
I agree with this because it sounds more as if this video is talking about women's rights on how they want to be treated equally but Pretty much looked at as a man would be, but they're not. They're women, so they need to understand how God has specially made them. And that is there not the man. Equals in Gods eyes, but different rolls to play .And that's ok because God says so.And it all works out as it should, but when you look at it in a world view, of course, your feelings start to be hurt so u leave the church and thats what the devil wants devision between the family. So sad. Heart breaking, actually. Over something that could have been talked through easily. 🙏 prayers for all.
Thanks for sharing. Sadly church has become a SHOW and the congregants are being abused. The question I have is how on earth did Josh get picked as a successor? The Lord is cleaning out his house right now that has become a very toxic and abusive, I pray that people will cling on to Jesus Christ, receive healing and join a small healthy home church.
Regarding the picking of Josh, that was also a question I had. Clearly, Pastor Steve did not have the level of discernment necessary, even if he was great about everything else. The seeker sensitive model has proven to be a market driven or Pastor is master type church . People have been trying to expose this seeker driven / vision casting draconian business model church for decades now.
Abuse in churches is as old as Satan is. So glad that the Internet helps bring it to forefront to the masses. 2024 is the year that God is exposing toxic pastors and cult churches.
Really, the Lord is cleaning out his house right now? I see these churches thriving and some later crashing (then rebuilding their brand elsewhere) all over the place and it looks very man- made - from relational emotional and spiritually immature people.
Josh is obviously an energetic, motivated, multi disciplined individual who appeals to all the young new families that are moving into the Christian community. The children are the future of the church and they benefit from his enthusiasm and love for God is evident in his teaching. I have NEVER seen any prejudice as a newer church goer and Life Group member since late 2018, other than toward “cats”. 😂 His cat jokes are fun and I’m a lifetime cat owner. Humor lightens hearts people. It’s ok for church to be fun and serious at the same time. And I’m sure the elders of the church had a part in choosing Josh among many others, not just Steve.
This woman claims to be standing up for women being marginalized in the church yet she is marginalizing blonde women verses other non blonde women. What is the relevance of the “Young blonde mother” comment in the early part of the interview, off topic and condescending. How is that Godly or positive in any way to the legitimacy of the female community? She bemoans the church for what she herself does casually with hypocritical callous. Way to set an example.
Seriously you two women are offended at a joke. He said nothing about rape. You are ridiculous. I am 80 years old and cannot imagine letting this offend an adult.
The Church is in a very sad state. No longer the Church of Jesus Christ, but the Church of the celebrity pastor. The message from the pulpit is often not even Biblical. The Gospel is watered down to fit the culture. It has to be entertaining. Robes and dress clothes have been replaced by old jeans, t-shirts and sneakers. Choreography is a plus. The music is so loud that ear plugs are necessary. Hymns are shelved. Elders want to protect "the brand" rather than the TRUTH. Look around..the MEGA CHURCH may be the worst thing to happen to the Body of Christ. So much unrepentant sin from leaders who have forgotten they represent an Humble Savior...whose main focus is power and money rather than Him. Accountability is missing when these churches become so large that elders can no longer shepherd. The True Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. An arena full of truly unconverted people is just a bunch of numbers going for a "feel good" experience. So SAD!
Well said! The "church" in America is unrecognizable from the persecuted (but growing) group of believers on the fringes of first century society. Well did Sam Pascoe say: "Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise.”
Some of this is reasonable. That robes have been changed for other clothes is an obsolete point. Jesus never told us to wear expensive set-apart clothes. In fact he said the opposite. And as for a group of unconverted people being in church.... Is that not what it's supposed to be for, unbelievers to be able to come in? Think carefully before declaring everything unbiblical.
@KJ-lb4tj Not an obsolete point for many. My point here is saying when you are preaching and teaching in the House of the Lord, perhaps not looking like you've been mowing the lawn or working in your garage! This does not mean your robe or clothing has to be ostentatious or expensive. It is a matter of respect. When I speak of the unconverted, I am talking about the fact that numbers are not always the best way to judge. If they are just being entertained, not taught Biblical lessons (the Gospel) and not shepherded by qualified elders, their faith will never be strong. It is necessary for people to know how to build their house on The Rock and not on the sand. .Of course, the main focus for All people is to convert them to the love of Jesus Christ and disciple them in their journey. PERIOD.
It's like this in smaller churches too. I'm pentecostal and we want to be in a pentecostal church. But they have fallen into all the things you just described. Watered down sermons. Or teachings that are not Biblical. When we became Christians over 40 yrs ago, it wasn't like this. We don't know what to do?😢
Lots of people want these issues to be exposed BUT when it happens to you in a very small insignificant "church" those same people want you to stay quite. I will not!!! God cannot be mocked and every evil and wicked deed will come to light!
I am 55 minutes in and I am weeping over what this precious family and countless others have endured at the hands of this pastor and the church oversight. I hardly have words. Just grief and sadness for those so deeply wounded, and for those like Josh who have denigrated the sacred pulpit, and veered off of the true Gospel, Jesus' life of power and compassion, crucified, risen and coming again.
I'm 36 mins in and I want to throw up. I not sure if I can finish this video and it's not for the obvious....I can care very little for what Andy Stanley has to say....he has gone waaaaaay off track.......but, that IS a VERY good way of thinking....."be the person someone else is looking for" That said, if we are to live out that we are just vessels that Jesus Christ uses for his purposes THEN whatever we say is HIM talking......we shouldn't care if we get the credit for it or not.......AND we shouldn't care if someone else gets the credit....all that part of this video is BS... I'm an outsider looking in.....I don't know these people, that church, that pastor (Josh Howerton), and what he said IS true, who cares who said it first. How many band wagons have Christians got on and we eventually don't even remember who started them. How many people remember the name of the guy who started The Jabez Prayer book? A few I'm sure, but most....not....I don't, I would have to look it up....technically he isn't even the original guy, Jabez is. buuuut.....it is only 36 mins in......I will see how much more I can get through.....I'm not saying Josh isn't wrong, I haven't heard enough of what's happened yet....hence continuing to make it through this video......
Love is an action toward an individual, you can not love everyone. You can love only those you personally have a relationship or interaction. Please share how Pastor Josh showed love to you. Preaching from pulpit is not showing love, it’s doing something you are paid for, it’s his obligation in return for money.
The particular podcast was triggering for me. I’ve been a Christian for most of my life and have experienced many things in church life. I had a wonderful counselor who helped me work through many things. I’m now 69 and will celebrate my 50th wedding anniversary in the fall. The pastor’s comment on the wedding night was what was triggering for me. Well, before that was too, because I certainly didn’t start dreaming about a wedding at a young age, so to imply that the wedding was the bride’s forte and the night was the groom’s was just plain gross. What a way to start a marriage! But what was triggering was the total lack of understanding of what a woman wants on her her wedding night. And if she doesn’t get it and there isn’t an honest, caring discussion the next day, a syndrome can set in that spells pain and misery for both people for months and/or years to come. Our marriage suffered because it took a long time before we were able to have the frank discussion that should have happened before the wedding. Eventually, my husband and I were mature enough to have the necessary conversations that dealt with emotional intimacy which can be so absent when the attitude this Pastor in this podcast had is prevalent in the church. We worked through our issues and have a healthy marriage, but honestly, I felt angry by what he said. I found it so much more triggering than the Mike Bickle podcast. I’m very thankful that there are wise people out there who are calling out that type of dysfunction so the people getting married today don’t carry that attitude into their marriages.
I think a lot of people who haven’t gone through such experiences (Josh might be one) probably wouldn’t find it as triggering and would just roll their eyes because he’s joking about stereotypes and we all know that stereotypes do not necessarily hold much water. to me, it felt like he was making light of the stereotypes that many people suggest are true, but didn’t intend to be taken seriously. But plagiarizing an apology is pretty lame.
Where does the Bible say to do this publically? Where does the Bible say to call out another Christian publically? Where does the Bible say to gossip behind another person's back? How are you spreading the truth?
It spreads the truth by telling people how the church and their pastors operate. If I'm looking for another church to attend, information about plagiarism is really useful for me. Then I can decide if I'm ok with plagiarism or not.
lol it actually does. See 1 Timothy 5:19-20. “Those guilty of sin must be rebuked before all” in reference to leaders. Matt. 18 is for personal, private interactions. If you’re in a public office, you should be publicly exposed because it affects…the public. As for “gossip,” putting out a video isn’t saying anything behind anyone’s back, quite the opposite. Every book in the New Testament warns about or calls out false teachers. If God considers it that important then we should too, because ultimately following a wolf or a lie means people aren’t hearing the true gospel message.
I had been going to Lake point for over two years then a Pastor got fired and then I asked why was he fired and they said it was none of my business and I didn’t need to know that really changed my mind about how Lake point was being run and that the people that go there don’t mean much
Great interview & sorry that your guest had such an unbiblical/disrespectful unrepentant pastoral experience. I’m very thankful that she continues to love & serve Christ. Looking forward to your next video 🇨🇦 ❤
I’m sorry too, and I’m afraid far too many people equate that with male headship, which is absolutely not what the Bible teaches about male headship in the church. And women are just as capable of being abusive and coercive. Just look at some of the TBN churches led by pastor couples or women pastors.
What if pastors just preached methodically through the Bible and stopped looking to other big preachers to get material from and simply believed the Holy Spirit would be enough of a source to speak what the people needed to hear? I feel very sad about the lack of women's ministry described in this video. I don't know the situation etc etc etc. But that's a real loss, what's described.
I don’t disagree with covering Taylor Swift’s lower half, I also have had my daughters in a Christian dance teacher’s dance classes and they wore skirts, not just straight leotards. I would be careful not to condemn every thing he said as evidence of his wrongdoing. Sometimes even jerks can say things that are correct that we don’t particularly like. as a model, you should be aware of imagery and body shaming like you said. He was not shaming her body. He was pointing out that it was scantily clothed. Body shaming would be making fun of somebody for their looks or their weight or medical problems or whatever. I’m sure you know this. He could have handled it better clearly. Explaining why a woman should dress modestly is not body shaming, but he basically did a verbal slap, which was not compassionate at all and didn’t explain anything. I know many girls who do not understand as they are growing up because they (thankfully) have no experience in this area. There is a way to do it that demonstrates a reverence for sex and the human body and he clearly did not. But going to the opposite extreme where women can’t be criticized at all for what they choose to wear is also not a solution that honors the human body. He does seem like a very chaotic leader, who is basically smashing around with a sledgehammer to destroy what was already there and demonstrating that he has any idea what he is trying to build . it’s very ADHD and selfish and inconsiderate of real people’s needs and feelings. You seem to acknowledge that there is a connotation connected to tailgating, but you also don’t seem to acknowledge that there is a connotation connected with Taylor Swift’s choice of clothing or lack thereof.
You left out some important context about Josh's "apology," namely: 1) He explicitly didn't apologize to anybody outside his church "family" (which runs completely counter to I Timothy 3 and shows an utter lack of concern for female visitors). 2) His "apology" was immediately preceeded by him boasting about how many people attended the Easter services, which he described as "[Great] Awakening stuff." 3) His apology included thanks to the "hundreds and hundreds" of people who defended him online. The message of all of this: Female visitors don't matter to him as much as male visitors, the people within the congregation who were offended were a small minority and should accept his apology, and because his ministry is drawing huge crowds, opposing him is tantamount to opposing the Holy Spirit. This is classic spiritual abuse.
I am skeptical of all churches (most churches in America) that are organized as 503c corporations - an inherent conflict of interest. The New Testament church that I can discern is a gathering of believers who come together in fellowship where each member's unique gifts are shared for the enrichment of the body. Most importantly, is the sharing of God's Word. I was raised in the Methodist church where we went to Sunday school (mid-60's) and learned the great stories of the bible. Yet, even as a kid, I sensed something was off. It seemed most people's idea of church was gathering once a week to listen to an "expert" on "doctrine" and then going about daily lives of the "world" the rest of the week. To this day, no matter what type of church I happen to attend, a few versus of scripture are given (often out of context) and that is then analogized into how our daily lives can be made better by following the sage advice of the expert. I say all that to say this... I found this site because a Daystar podcast from this site showed up on my RUclips page. I've watched several compelling videos here (related to that and other abuses) and no doubt - there are genuine victims. Yet, can any of us say (I am not referring to physical, sexual, or spiritual abuse) that any of us are victims when abrogating our study, knowledge, and hopefully understanding of the scriptures, to listening to "experts" about what the scriptures mean and how they should be applied? The apostle Paul said (paraphrase) if you don't work you don't eat. Why do pastors need to make a living off the church? Why do we submit to that idea? In another video, Mrs. Roys mentioned the idea of a home church which seems in my mind, more closely aligned with what is described in the bible. While I do sympathize with Jonathon and Suzy Lamb's plight with their abusive mother/mother-in-law, they also have to recognize when they discovered sexual abuse in their family (well before the present controversy), they remained in the church/company. I am not claiming to be holier-than-thou of the Lamb's, but in some sense we allow ourselves to become "victims" when we "out-source" our responsibilities of studying the scripture in fellowship with other believers to higher, so-called "powers/authorities" in the modern day "church."
@@ivanasimic2072not clicking on the link but sure hope its not to Justin Peters video. His was awful. Absolutely disgusting. It's so obvious he's in it for the money..
@paulacoyle5685 absolutely agree. There are some wonderful biblical leaders who do not subscribe to female leadership. They are not all abusive by any means.
I'm not a fan of Lake Point church but I decided to look into the advice to women's clips. The fact is that was one of two parts of a joke. Prior to that he said the same exact thing word of word about men needing to do , dress and stand per the women's request. This was to make a point to the audience so the fact this podcast left that out and still talked about it like it was a direct attack on women is shameful and makes me question the integrity of the host. Is she really about the truth or just about attacking? Again as I said lake point is a church I would never go to due to their style and even theological views. But truth matters and this podcast lied. Which makes me wonder if the guest was even at the service or if she just saw the clip because it makes no sense how anyone who was there would miss the point of the joke.
Josh is a puppet. He copies what he think the church want to hear to make him popular. It's nothing new. Many of these young pastor do this! That's why we should be CALLED!
Well, they all think they’ve been called. And they point to big numbers as evidence. People have been trying to warn against seek sensitive/purpose driven/market driven / Pastor as CEO, or whatever you want to call it Church growth movement philosophy for decades. When church becomes all about numbers it’s very obvious who is going to get left out and run over. The Mars Hill bus is just one of many that run over so many welling Christians.
This was so very well done. Amanda has a very tender spirit. God bless her faithfulness. By their fruit we will know them. Matthew 7:15-23 What I heard is a perfect plan was executed. 'Enemy Inside The Gates' style. Trevor Louden doc. Joke is the moral equivalent of abusive alcoholic husband apology who says to wife 'I love you, but... when you... I just get so mad. If you'd ... Because I love you. Forgive me?' (Anyone check their 501(c)3 tax returns? Free Covid money was funneled into millions of churches. Simple audit. Just a thot) 🙏🏻❤️
Regarding the wedding night joke, I am curious though whether anyone thinks the phenomenon of bridezilla is an actual problem. Because it really is. 1:06:55 the mirror thing I said exactly what the point was the minute she described it, the law is a curb, a mirror and a guide, it’s showing us our sin. And then she said that’s what it was about. Now, if you hadn’t heard that before, it’s just evidence that you haven’t been taught scripture for a long time at that church. I don’t know if it just started with Josh or whether it was with Steve as well. I’m not a fan of the sensitive model even from your rudimentary description of the mirror video I knew what they were getting at.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with that joke why are you or women acting so offensive. As a Godly Woman I see nothing wrong with that joke. Women should obey there husband to many overly sensitive women pastor Josh doesn’t need to apologize at all You women need to find another church. Who. cares if he copied someone else apology Pastors have to apologize always for immature sheep. I think he’s a anointed Pastor the enemy is trying to tear him down I hope Pastor Josh will teach a married conference ❤
I see what happened. She lost her voice and wanted to still feel important. That's all. A pastor takes over during Covid and she expected things to stay the same. Glad she located another local mega-church where she can get some airtime.
it's getting harder and harder to know what to believe. if I'm confused or doubtful of what to believe, I draw back and get with God. I think people like to follow people. They are lazy. I leave places where strife seems to be the prominent force.
Pray and ask God to reveal the Truth to you. Jesus' word to His disciples was "follow me," which can have many levels of application, but keeping it simple, it means what it says: follow Him. Read the Bible daily and ask God to open the eyes of your understanding so that YOU can behold wonderful things in His Word. Pastors and teachers are human, listen to them but evaluate what they say compared to what the Bible says. The more you pray, read, learn and obey, the better able you'll be to distinguish truth from error.
Minute 48:40-SO SICK! What in the world is he doing teaching anyone anything????? Oh my goodness. All of it was awful but it gets worse the more he speaks. -🤢🤮🤢
So awful! I (a) of course reject in disgust such a gross thing to say (knowing my younger, sinful self would have liked that idea but even then know it was my selfish flesh and not my God honoring respect for my wife) but (b) I can’t imagine saying something like that and not being immediately corrected or fired or something. He got applause!?
If Josh has no shame in his choices of words, then his behaviors follow. No shame. His words and behaviors don't represent Jesus loving the bride. He has no support from heaven as a representative of the Trinity on earth.
Josh Howerton is a perfect example of what Jesus stated about bad fruit. You will know them by their fruit. What Josh is, is nothing more then an imposter posing as a pastor. He’s nothing more than a used car sales man or a peddler of snake oil. It’s time as a church to stop looking at outside or how much charisma they have, and start looking at character.
I agree that Josh is having a bit of a Hollywood phase right now and the church/elders need to bring him back down to reality, but to sit on a podcast and misuse scripture and twist words and gossip, that also isn’t biblical. It just goes to show that more of us are caught in this “me me me” mentality and aren’t truly putting the Lord first anymore.
I'm wondering if all this masochistic preaching isn't a push back on the woke feminist agenda. Both are of the flesh and unbalanced. The truth of the Word in all its fullness and wisdom is God’s plan and people are hungry for freedom and a true love walk with God and people. 😢
Josh is more of a comedian than he is a pastor. I’m sure the apostles didn’t go around saying jokes and being funny about the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Sorry undies became wadded - I truly am - I hate to hear about your pain; I encourage you to not listen to your feeling - and I wish you much success in reaching people for Jesus and making his name great 🎉 restoration will come when sin is no more, in the millennium kingdom - until then, let nothing distract followers of Christ from the absolute one, and only person that is truth: Jesus. Maranatha!
This sounds like another worldly, people pleasing church. Enough. I actually came to this because I had an issue with someone who I know attends this church. He used to be a pastor at Life Church, which is led by Craig Groeschel, and I know he attends this church. I'm not sure if he's a pastor there. Anyway, I've never heard of an apology being copied. That's new. I like how Josh is giving this "apology" with this smug smile too. Amazing stuff. This place sounds a lot like Life Church. All about the numbers.
The only area in the Bible where women are kept out is the position of a teacher over men. Jesus never looked down on women. Paul is accused of it, but I don’t see it in the Word. There were lots of women in the Bible that the Lord used. My main concern about any teacher or pastor of the Word is do they get the Gospel of Jesus Christ correct. Do they know who He is and why He came? Also, I am concerned more that Josh Howerton is possibly a dishonest pastor. That is concerning. I pray that if he is indeed in sin, that his sin will find him out. That’s a promise from God.
Please stop! That joke been going around for a long time. There are other things to be scared adn worried about. The other things she mention are of more concern than this joke. It was evil and harsh, but nothing new!
I’m a long time member of Lake Pointe Church. (78 yr old female) Teach a women’s life group. I have never heard Pastor Josh or anyone preach a watered down gospel message.
Women have spoke to the whole congregation many times.
Yes, things changed when Josh came, he is a different person. That happens to many churches.
The music is not any louder than previously.
I’m sorry you felt you were treated like a 2nd class member. I have never had that experience and have subbed for Life Group Leaders in mixed groups.
Use your podcast to guide people to God, not gossip. How many lives have accepted Jesus because of this podcast? If it's not intended to save people's lives, repent and run to Jesus, it's just Gossip which is nothing less than SIN.
May Good help you and all involved look at the big picture in our lost world and make a difference, not add more fire to the fire.
Amen!
AMEN !
I'm a returning missionary and so I've been watching various commentaries on American culture and where the Church is headed. Recently, I have been reading 1 Samuel where the Israelities rejected God and asked for a king so that they could be like the world. The USA has done the same thing. They rejected God’s pattern for the church whereby small group of believers would encourage each other and develop interdependence and shifted towards a business model. But unlike corporations which have checks and balances such as functioning HR departments and government oversight, Megachurches are still using the relationship model found in Scripture. They do this so that they are not accountable. If they really did want to follow the Bible they would stop being a megachurch, create smaller congregations and empower everyone to serve as it states in Ephesians 4:11-12.
I don't care for mega churches. But in the book of Acts, there was a church that grew to have 3,000. But these were souls being saved, and God was adding to that church daily.
@@sharoncrawford7192 And where did they meet? In homes--smaller congregations
I completely agree with everything you wrote here. Well put!
I think Pastor Josh Howerton is doing a good job. I am glad to see megachurch pastor confronting the sins of the American culture...
Naturally where ever the Holy Spirit is moving there is opposition
I notice you don’t use scripture to educator or rebuke, but instead just gossip. This is just an attack on a great church and gifted pastor. How does this further the message of Christ?
This is absolute rubish. First, Claiming that women on their wedding night are not consenting is wild. Second, if what you hear is non consent on the wedding night then why aren't you upset about the non consent of the man the entire day, would you call that marital kidnapping?
This podcast is a simple drama mill that whipps up animosity against the church, inside a culture that is already Godless.
What?! So if a woman doesn't want to have sexual relations on the wedding night (for whatever reason) she should be be made to feel guilty?
@maryj1156 what is the purpose of marriage in your opinion? "On your wedding night" is synonymous for a reason and pretending like it's not for sexual relations is simply intellectually dishonest.
I feel that Pastor Josh Howerton is an amazing leader and leads the church well. He encourages men to step up and lead their families, which is biblical, for us all to submit to one another which od also biblical. We also have several women events in english and spanish, women leaders, etc.
As for the changes during COVID, every church, business, families, etc were affected and returned to the best of their abilities.
And naturally pastors preaching using biblical truths will use similar verbiage. Just like I'm called Mimi, there are others who call their loved ones Mimi prior to me and after me.
The music has always been loud, for the past 20 years that I've been there and yes for those who dont like it jave the option to attend in a different room rather than the main auditorium or attend a different church. We also have classical service for this very reason. Is he perfect? No, no one is. Someone will ALWAYS get offended for one reason or another.
We do anything short of sinning to get people to come to Jesus. Just like Jesus ate with sinners we are called to do the same thing. Obviously there isn't alcohol served at the tailgating events or cookouts that are held. He clearly is finding ways to encourage men/families to be in community with one another and not skip out on church.
As far as the wedding night is he wrong? No! Biblically the night of the wedding there is sexual activity. Clearly you can twist or interpret it the way you want. I definetly didnt take it offensive or thatbhe was saying women are forced into sexual submission.
There has been more good come from Lakepointe Church than the misuse of words that you are speaking of.
If there isn’t sex on the honeymoon you are in trouble!
I couldn’t agree more the entire time I was watching this. I was thinking this is a lot of reaching and nitpicking.
I agree with this because it sounds more as if this video is talking about women's rights on how they want to be treated equally but Pretty much looked at as a man would be, but they're not. They're women, so they need to understand how God has specially made them. And that is there not the man. Equals in Gods eyes, but different rolls to play .And that's ok because God says so.And it all works out as it should, but when you look at it in a world view, of course, your feelings start to be hurt so u leave the church and thats what the devil wants devision between the family. So sad. Heart breaking, actually. Over something that could have been talked through easily. 🙏 prayers for all.
None of what I heard in this interview was a valid reason to expose the church. And im not lake point church fan.
Thanks for sharing. Sadly church has become a SHOW and the congregants are being abused. The question I have is how on earth did Josh get picked as a successor?
The Lord is cleaning out his house right now that has become a very toxic and abusive, I pray that people will cling on to Jesus Christ, receive healing and join a small healthy home church.
Regarding the picking of Josh, that was also a question I had. Clearly, Pastor Steve did not have the level of discernment necessary, even if he was great about everything else.
The seeker sensitive model has proven to be a market driven or Pastor is master type church . People have been trying to expose this seeker driven / vision casting draconian business model church for decades now.
Abuse in churches is as old as Satan is. So glad that the Internet helps bring it to forefront to the masses. 2024 is the year that God is exposing toxic pastors and cult churches.
Really, the Lord is cleaning out his house right now? I see these churches thriving and some later crashing (then rebuilding their brand elsewhere) all over the place and it looks very man- made - from relational emotional and spiritually immature people.
Josh is obviously an energetic, motivated, multi disciplined individual who appeals to all the young new families that are moving into the Christian community. The children are the future of the church and they benefit from his enthusiasm and love for God is evident in his teaching. I have NEVER seen any prejudice as a newer church goer and Life Group member since late 2018, other than toward “cats”. 😂 His cat jokes are fun and I’m a lifetime cat owner. Humor lightens hearts people. It’s ok for church to be fun and serious at the same time. And I’m sure the elders of the church had a part in choosing Josh among many others, not just Steve.
He’s a great pastor take a poll if you don’t believe me
Thank you so much for an informative and helpful interview. Thank you Amanda!
This woman claims to be standing up for women being marginalized in the church yet she is marginalizing blonde women verses other non blonde women. What is the relevance of the “Young blonde mother” comment in the early part of the interview, off topic and condescending. How is that Godly or positive in any way to the legitimacy of the female community? She bemoans the church for what she herself does casually with hypocritical callous. Way to set an example.
Great podcast, Julie. Thank you for keeping eyes on these things.
Seriously you two women are offended at a joke. He said nothing about rape. You are ridiculous. I am 80 years old and cannot imagine letting this offend an adult.
The Church is in a very sad state. No longer the Church of Jesus Christ, but the Church of the celebrity pastor. The message from the pulpit is often not even Biblical. The Gospel is watered down to fit the culture. It has to be entertaining. Robes and dress clothes have been replaced by old jeans, t-shirts and sneakers. Choreography is a plus. The music is so loud that ear plugs are necessary. Hymns are shelved. Elders want to protect "the brand" rather than the TRUTH. Look around..the MEGA CHURCH may be the worst thing to happen to the Body of Christ. So much unrepentant sin from leaders who have forgotten they represent an Humble Savior...whose main focus is power and money rather than Him. Accountability is missing when these churches become so large that elders can no longer shepherd. The True Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. An arena full of truly unconverted people is just a bunch of numbers going for a "feel good" experience. So SAD!
Soooo well put. 👍
Well said! The "church" in America is unrecognizable from the persecuted (but growing) group of believers on the fringes of first century society. Well did Sam Pascoe say: "Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise.”
Some of this is reasonable. That robes have been changed for other clothes is an obsolete point. Jesus never told us to wear expensive set-apart clothes. In fact he said the opposite. And as for a group of unconverted people being in church.... Is that not what it's supposed to be for, unbelievers to be able to come in? Think carefully before declaring everything unbiblical.
@KJ-lb4tj Not an obsolete point for many. My point here is saying when you are preaching and teaching in the House of the Lord, perhaps not looking like you've been mowing the lawn or working in your garage! This does not mean your robe or clothing has to be ostentatious or expensive. It is a matter of respect. When I speak of the unconverted, I am talking about the fact that numbers are not always the best way to judge. If they are just being entertained, not taught Biblical lessons (the Gospel) and not shepherded by qualified elders, their faith will never be strong. It is necessary for people to know how to build their house on The Rock and not on the sand. .Of course, the main focus for All people is to convert them to the love of Jesus Christ and disciple them in their journey. PERIOD.
It's like this in smaller churches too. I'm pentecostal and we want to be in a pentecostal church. But they have fallen into all the things you just described. Watered down sermons. Or teachings that are not Biblical. When we became Christians over 40 yrs ago, it wasn't like this. We don't know what to do?😢
Lots of people want these issues to be exposed BUT when it happens to you in a very small insignificant "church" those same people want you to stay quite. I will not!!! God cannot be mocked and every evil and wicked deed will come to light!
Thank you and your guest for speaking truth!
I am 55 minutes in and I am weeping over what this precious family and countless others have endured at the hands of this pastor and the church oversight. I hardly have words. Just grief and sadness for those so deeply wounded, and for those like Josh who have denigrated the sacred pulpit, and veered off of the true Gospel, Jesus' life of power and compassion, crucified, risen and coming again.
I'm 36 mins in and I want to throw up. I not sure if I can finish this video and it's not for the obvious....I can care very little for what Andy Stanley has to say....he has gone waaaaaay off track.......but, that IS a VERY good way of thinking....."be the person someone else is looking for"
That said, if we are to live out that we are just vessels that Jesus Christ uses for his purposes THEN whatever we say is HIM talking......we shouldn't care if we get the credit for it or not.......AND we shouldn't care if someone else gets the credit....all that part of this video is BS...
I'm an outsider looking in.....I don't know these people, that church, that pastor (Josh Howerton), and what he said IS true, who cares who said it first. How many band wagons have Christians got on and we eventually don't even remember who started them. How many people remember the name of the guy who started The Jabez Prayer book? A few I'm sure, but most....not....I don't, I would have to look it up....technically he isn't even the original guy, Jabez is.
buuuut.....it is only 36 mins in......I will see how much more I can get through.....I'm not saying Josh isn't wrong, I haven't heard enough of what's happened yet....hence continuing to make it through this video......
Regardless to what others may think Josh Howerton is a awesome Pastor and loves everyone with his Christlike heart. Shame on you for the slander.
It’s not slander if it’s true.
Love is an action toward an individual, you can not love everyone. You can love only those you personally have a relationship or interaction. Please share how Pastor Josh showed love to you. Preaching from pulpit is not showing love, it’s doing something you are paid for, it’s his obligation in return for money.
The particular podcast was triggering for me. I’ve been a Christian for most of my life and have experienced many things in church life. I had a wonderful counselor who helped me work through many things. I’m now 69 and will celebrate my 50th wedding anniversary in the fall.
The pastor’s comment on the wedding night was what was triggering for me. Well, before that was too, because I certainly didn’t start dreaming about a wedding at a young age, so to imply that the wedding was the bride’s forte and the night was the groom’s was just plain gross. What a way to start a marriage! But what was triggering was the total lack of understanding of what a woman wants on her her wedding night. And if she doesn’t get it and there isn’t an honest, caring discussion the next day, a syndrome can set in that spells pain and misery for both people for months and/or years to come. Our marriage suffered because it took a long time before we were able to have the frank discussion that should have happened before the wedding. Eventually, my husband and I were mature enough to have the necessary conversations that dealt with emotional intimacy which can be so absent when the attitude this Pastor in this podcast had is prevalent in the church. We worked through our issues and have a healthy marriage, but honestly, I felt angry by what he said. I found it so much more triggering than the Mike Bickle podcast. I’m very thankful that there are wise people out there who are calling out that type of dysfunction so the people getting married today don’t carry that attitude into their marriages.
I think a lot of people who haven’t gone through such experiences (Josh might be one) probably wouldn’t find it as triggering and would just roll their eyes because he’s joking about stereotypes and we all know that stereotypes do not necessarily hold much water. to me, it felt like he was making light of the stereotypes that many people suggest are true, but didn’t intend to be taken seriously. But plagiarizing an apology is pretty lame.
Howerton is very clearly a very immature man.
Where does the Bible say to do this publically? Where does the Bible say to call out another Christian publically? Where does the Bible say to gossip behind another person's back? How are you spreading the truth?
by exposing predators and liars. Great job Julie Roys!!
It spreads the truth by telling people how the church and their pastors operate. If I'm looking for another church to attend, information about plagiarism is really useful for me. Then I can decide if I'm ok with plagiarism or not.
lol it actually does. See 1 Timothy 5:19-20. “Those guilty of sin must be rebuked before all” in reference to leaders. Matt. 18 is for personal, private interactions. If you’re in a public office, you should be publicly exposed because it affects…the public. As for “gossip,” putting out a video isn’t saying anything behind anyone’s back, quite the opposite. Every book in the New Testament warns about or calls out false teachers. If God considers it that important then we should too, because ultimately following a wolf or a lie means people aren’t hearing the true gospel message.
@@ivanasimic2072predators? Wow! That’s slander.
I had been going to Lake point for over two years then a Pastor got fired and then I asked why was he fired and they said it was none of my business and I didn’t need to know that really changed my mind about how Lake point was being run and that the people that go there don’t mean much
Excellent interview
It's so sad to me that like the world churches are separating Men and Women instead of supporting both like Jesus did...😊
Great interview & sorry that your guest had such an unbiblical/disrespectful unrepentant pastoral experience. I’m very thankful that she continues to love & serve Christ. Looking forward to your next video 🇨🇦 ❤
I’m sorry too, and I’m afraid far too many people equate that with male headship, which is absolutely not what the Bible teaches about male headship in the church. And women are just as capable of being abusive and coercive. Just look at some of the TBN churches led by pastor couples or women pastors.
What if pastors just preached methodically through the Bible and stopped looking to other big preachers to get material from and simply believed the Holy Spirit would be enough of a source to speak what the people needed to hear?
I feel very sad about the lack of women's ministry described in this video. I don't know the situation etc etc etc. But that's a real loss, what's described.
I don’t disagree with covering Taylor Swift’s lower half, I also have had my daughters in a Christian dance teacher’s dance classes and they wore skirts, not just straight leotards. I would be careful not to condemn every thing he said as evidence of his wrongdoing. Sometimes even jerks can say things that are correct that we don’t particularly like. as a model, you should be aware of imagery and body shaming like you said. He was not shaming her body. He was pointing out that it was scantily clothed. Body shaming would be making fun of somebody for their looks or their weight or medical problems or whatever. I’m sure you know this. He could have handled it better clearly. Explaining why a woman should dress modestly is not body shaming, but he basically did a verbal slap, which was not compassionate at all and didn’t explain anything. I know many girls who do not understand as they are growing up because they (thankfully) have no experience in this area. There is a way to do it that demonstrates a reverence for sex and the human body and he clearly did not. But going to the opposite extreme where women can’t be criticized at all for what they choose to wear is also not a solution that honors the human body.
He does seem like a very chaotic leader, who is basically smashing around with a sledgehammer to destroy what was already there and demonstrating that he has any idea what he is trying to build . it’s very ADHD and selfish and inconsiderate of real people’s needs and feelings.
You seem to acknowledge that there is a connotation connected to tailgating, but you also don’t seem to acknowledge that there is a connotation connected with Taylor Swift’s choice of clothing or lack thereof.
Also wouldn’t broadcasting a professional sports game to the church be a violation of licensing rights?
This is a good discussion! I see that we can see how women perceive things. I'm a guy's guy, so this taught me something.
You left out some important context about Josh's "apology," namely:
1) He explicitly didn't apologize to anybody outside his church "family" (which runs completely counter to I Timothy 3 and shows an utter lack of concern for female visitors).
2) His "apology" was immediately preceeded by him boasting about how many people attended the Easter services, which he described as "[Great] Awakening stuff."
3) His apology included thanks to the "hundreds and hundreds" of people who defended him online.
The message of all of this: Female visitors don't matter to him as much as male visitors, the people within the congregation who were offended were a small minority and should accept his apology, and because his ministry is drawing huge crowds, opposing him is tantamount to opposing the Holy Spirit. This is classic spiritual abuse.
Plagiarist
Outright slander of an amazing pastor from a disgruntled, self centered woman with a personal agenda to get him fired.
@chucklande4602 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you are so cringe.
AMEN !!!! It’s sad.
I have a 😂friend that goes to the church and says he likes Josh because of all the jokes and how funny he is
I guess i just don't get it. Too many trendy words used in this interview.
I am skeptical of all churches (most churches in America) that are organized as 503c corporations - an inherent conflict of interest. The New Testament church that I can discern is a gathering of believers who come together in fellowship where each member's unique gifts are shared for the enrichment of the body. Most importantly, is the sharing of God's Word. I was raised in the Methodist church where we went to Sunday school (mid-60's) and learned the great stories of the bible. Yet, even as a kid, I sensed something was off. It seemed most people's idea of church was gathering once a week to listen to an "expert" on "doctrine" and then going about daily lives of the "world" the rest of the week. To this day, no matter what type of church I happen to attend, a few versus of scripture are given (often out of context) and that is then analogized into how our daily lives can be made better by following the sage advice of the expert. I say all that to say this... I found this site because a Daystar podcast from this site showed up on my RUclips page. I've watched several compelling videos here (related to that and other abuses) and no doubt - there are genuine victims. Yet, can any of us say (I am not referring to physical, sexual, or spiritual abuse) that any of us are victims when abrogating our study, knowledge, and hopefully understanding of the scriptures, to listening to "experts" about what the scriptures mean and how they should be applied? The apostle Paul said (paraphrase) if you don't work you don't eat. Why do pastors need to make a living off the church? Why do we submit to that idea? In another video, Mrs. Roys mentioned the idea of a home church which seems in my mind, more closely aligned with what is described in the bible. While I do sympathize with Jonathon and Suzy Lamb's plight with their abusive mother/mother-in-law, they also have to recognize when they discovered sexual abuse in their family (well before the present controversy), they remained in the church/company. I am not claiming to be holier-than-thou of the Lamb's, but in some sense we allow ourselves to become "victims" when we "out-source" our responsibilities of studying the scripture in fellowship with other believers to higher, so-called "powers/authorities" in the modern day "church."
shouldn't church be about Jesus! Focus on him! Change is always occurring we all know this. I'm just seeing to much self
Why is nobody talking about Robert Morris?
ruclips.net/video/ZOOhWWj5AqI/видео.htmlsi=OzbWGPpNJ-h1-bKv
Robert Morris has been the headline all week…..pray for Gateway and pray for the church as a whole.
Are you kidding???
@@ivanasimic2072not clicking on the link but sure hope its not to Justin Peters video. His was awful. Absolutely disgusting. It's so obvious he's in it for the money..
They are NOW! At least some are. How disgraceful
She is talking about the pastor's compensation based on rumors? That is public information.
As a female leader, bible teacher, and home church minister, I don't dare darken the doors of any church that forbids women in any facet of ministry.
Amen, sadly these churches and pastors are woefully ignorant.
I wouldn’t equate abuse and misogyny with churches who believe they are following the biblical requirements for the pastorate.
@paulacoyle5685 absolutely agree. There are some wonderful biblical leaders who do not subscribe to female leadership. They are not all abusive by any means.
You should be very proud of yourself, very proud.
@@StandUp777 You missed my point, you sound proud., very proud.
I stopped going to church because politics has no place at church a pastor like this should use their tax exemption status !
This video was pointless, imo.
I'm not a fan of Lake Point church but I decided to look into the advice to women's clips. The fact is that was one of two parts of a joke. Prior to that he said the same exact thing word of word about men needing to do , dress and stand per the women's request.
This was to make a point to the audience so the fact this podcast left that out and still talked about it like it was a direct attack on women is shameful and makes me question the integrity of the host. Is she really about the truth or just about attacking?
Again as I said lake point is a church I would never go to due to their style and even theological views. But truth matters and this podcast lied.
Which makes me wonder if the guest was even at the service or if she just saw the clip because it makes no sense how anyone who was there would miss the point of the joke.
Josh is a puppet. He copies what he think the church want to hear to make him popular. It's nothing new. Many of these young pastor do this! That's why we should be CALLED!
Well, they all think they’ve been called. And they point to big numbers as evidence.
People have been trying to warn against seek sensitive/purpose driven/market driven / Pastor as CEO, or whatever you want to call it Church growth movement philosophy for decades. When church becomes all about numbers it’s very obvious who is going to get left out and run over. The Mars Hill bus is just one of many that run over so many welling Christians.
This was so very well done. Amanda has a very tender spirit. God bless her faithfulness.
By their fruit we will know them. Matthew 7:15-23
What I heard is a perfect plan was executed. 'Enemy Inside The Gates' style. Trevor Louden doc.
Joke is the moral equivalent of abusive alcoholic husband apology who says to wife 'I love you, but... when you... I just get so mad. If you'd ... Because I love you. Forgive me?'
(Anyone check their 501(c)3 tax returns? Free Covid money was funneled into millions of churches. Simple audit. Just a thot) 🙏🏻❤️
Regarding the wedding night joke, I am curious though whether anyone thinks the phenomenon of bridezilla is an actual problem. Because it really is.
1:06:55 the mirror thing I said exactly what the point was the minute she described it, the law is a curb, a mirror and a guide, it’s showing us our sin. And then she said that’s what it was about. Now, if you hadn’t heard that before, it’s just evidence that you haven’t been taught scripture for a long time at that church. I don’t know if it just started with Josh or whether it was with Steve as well.
I’m not a fan of the sensitive model even from your rudimentary description of the mirror video I knew what they were getting at.
Men are getting crushed in church. This is an example of that.
Real men are fine..MOST women honor godly men...but women saw their moms, older women be mistreated by men over and over again and they are tires.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with that joke why are you or women acting so offensive. As a Godly Woman I see nothing wrong with that joke. Women should obey there husband to many overly sensitive women pastor Josh doesn’t need to apologize at all
You women need to find another church. Who. cares if he copied someone else apology Pastors have to apologize always for immature sheep. I think he’s a anointed Pastor the enemy is trying to tear him down I hope Pastor Josh will teach a married conference ❤
I see what happened. She lost her voice and wanted to still feel important. That's all. A pastor takes over during Covid and she expected things to stay the same. Glad she located another local mega-church where she can get some airtime.
100s leave, 1000s more come to Christ
it's getting harder and harder to know what to believe. if I'm confused or doubtful of what to believe, I draw back and get with God. I think people like to follow people. They are lazy. I leave places where strife seems to be the prominent force.
Pray and ask God to reveal the Truth to you. Jesus' word to His disciples was "follow me," which can have many levels of application, but keeping it simple, it means what it says: follow Him. Read the Bible daily and ask God to open the eyes of your understanding so that YOU can behold wonderful things in His Word. Pastors and teachers are human, listen to them but evaluate what they say compared to what the Bible says. The more you pray, read, learn and obey, the better able you'll be to distinguish truth from error.
Hm. @23:00 my old church did the same. After c*vid, it was loud, over the top.
Minute 48:40-SO SICK! What in the world is he doing teaching anyone anything????? Oh my goodness. All of it was awful but it gets worse the more he speaks. -🤢🤮🤢
So awful!
I (a) of course reject in disgust such a gross thing to say (knowing my younger, sinful self would have liked that idea but even then know it was my selfish flesh and not my God honoring respect for my wife) but (b) I can’t imagine saying something like that and not being immediately corrected or fired or something. He got applause!?
Let’s just be plain and truthful here….this is NOT a pastor …..it’s a Sham! Sad, sad, sad, sad….nothing to do with Jesus.
If Josh has no shame in his choices of words, then his behaviors follow. No shame. His words and behaviors don't represent Jesus loving the bride. He has no support from heaven as a representative of the Trinity on earth.
You were offended by the wedding day and night? It was for him and her. (or should he not have said it? I would agree with that, was inappropriate?)
I have a friend that goes to the church and says he likes Josh because of all the jokes and how funny he is not about the word of God
Josh Howerton is a perfect example of what Jesus stated about bad fruit. You will know them by their fruit. What Josh is, is nothing more then an imposter posing as a pastor. He’s nothing more than a used car sales man or a peddler of snake oil. It’s time as a church to stop looking at outside or how much charisma they have, and start looking at character.
He seems very skilled and inspirational from my experience
You are so wrong about Pastor Howerton. Our family loves him and we love his preaching style. He always puts the Lord first.
Is Josh Howerton a Christian Nationialist?
what? A woman should cover up her body, especially in church !!! This is a Jezabel spirit.
I agree that Josh is having a bit of a Hollywood phase right now and the church/elders need to bring him back down to reality, but to sit on a podcast and misuse scripture and twist words and gossip, that also isn’t biblical. It just goes to show that more of us are caught in this “me me me” mentality and aren’t truly putting the Lord first anymore.
I'm wondering if all this masochistic preaching isn't a push back on the woke feminist agenda. Both are of the flesh and unbalanced. The truth of the Word in all its fullness and wisdom is God’s plan and people are hungry for freedom and a true love walk with God and people. 😢
Ezekiel 34. ❤️🦋🇦🇺
Josh is more of a comedian than he is a pastor. I’m sure the apostles didn’t go around saying jokes and being funny about the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Roys is digging up trouble here...
Sorry undies became wadded - I truly am - I hate to hear about your pain; I encourage you to not listen to your feeling - and I wish you much success in reaching people for Jesus and making his name great 🎉 restoration will come when sin is no more, in the millennium kingdom - until then, let nothing distract followers of Christ from the absolute one, and only person that is truth: Jesus. Maranatha!
She knows he makes 400k but 2 seconds later when she gets called out on it she admits it’s all gossip 😂😂. What else are lies in this interview?
Find better guests, Julie😂
Another narcissist in the pulpit..
This sounds like another worldly, people pleasing church. Enough. I actually came to this because I had an issue with someone who I know attends this church. He used to be a pastor at Life Church, which is led by Craig Groeschel, and I know he attends this church. I'm not sure if he's a pastor there. Anyway, I've never heard of an apology being copied. That's new. I like how Josh is giving this "apology" with this smug smile too. Amazing stuff. This place sounds a lot like Life Church. All about the numbers.
Proverbs 18:22 explicitly says Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing....
WNBA nuff said
The only area in the Bible where women are kept out is the position of a teacher over men. Jesus never looked down on women. Paul is accused of it, but I don’t see it in the Word. There were lots of women in the Bible that the Lord used. My main concern about any teacher or pastor of the Word is do they get the Gospel of Jesus Christ correct. Do they know who He is and why He came? Also, I am concerned more that Josh Howerton is possibly a dishonest pastor. That is concerning. I pray that if he is indeed in sin, that his sin will find him out. That’s a promise from God.
I think that what this is...don't you think? He is being found out.
@@luanneclark1304 yes I do. It’s one a matter of time before he is exposed for the false teacher that he is.
This is a pure mess!
Former Pastor Steve Stroope still contributes to Lakepointe. hmmm. ruclips.net/video/pTfg7BPs8iI/видео.html
Please stop! That joke been going around for a long time. There are other things to be scared adn worried about. The other things she mention are of more concern than this joke. It was evil and harsh, but nothing new!
brooo take a funny joke😂😂😂😂😂
It's too bad of plagiarism but there's no doubt about it is a false teacher very false 2 wrongs wake up true church 😢😢😢