Shelob the Spider - Epic Character History

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  • Shelob the spider was a vile and evil monster in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings. She was the spawn of Ungoliant, one of the most terrible creatures to have walked in Middle-earth. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on Shelob in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Комментарии • 317

  • @nicholasarvanitis2942
    @nicholasarvanitis2942 3 года назад +103

    Shelob was terrifying enough, I can only imagine how imposing and terrifying Ungoliant was.

    • @ldx8492
      @ldx8492 3 года назад +19

      Enough to make a vala, Melkor even, to tremble at her sight alone.

    • @haraldalmas9144
      @haraldalmas9144 3 года назад +3

      Its unimaginable. Even her size was too great to great

    • @tylersoto7465
      @tylersoto7465 2 года назад +1

      I had a dream once that I was a immortal god being with super strength like superman, super speed and flight, could heal anything and anyone with a touch make things come alive with a touch , turn anything or anyone to any creature I wanted and could shoot solar beams out of my hands etc and brought enlightenment and prosperity to middle earth after sauron died, I tamed Shelob by beating her up and the people of Gondor had a huge supply of spider silk to make elaborate fine clothes, dresses, shirts, pants , hats and rope and tapestries and it's spider silk it made their clothes bullet proof basically being safer if attacked and made gondor more wealthy and went to moria to help clear out the orcs for the dwarves to recolonize it and Killed the watcher lake monster at moria and brought it to gondor and people had a big feast eating lots of sushi that night and boy did they feast and for some reason they teriyaki, orange and Wassabi sauces but I couldn't eat it 🤢, so i asked them to just cook me a whole beef cow filling a table full of beef etc with a pile of melted cheese, ale and pipe weed and we celebrated lol 😎😂😂

  • @melkhiordarkfell4354
    @melkhiordarkfell4354 3 года назад +81

    I like to think she survived but with the downfall of Sauron she was left alone in her tunnel, not many orcs coming her way and would eventually eat herself in hunger like her mother.

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 3 года назад +192

    Who would win?
    The child of a demigod who has been prowling the outreaches of Mordor for generations and been the terror of men and orcs alike.
    OR
    Some wholesome, unyieldingly loyal boi

    • @tylersoto7465
      @tylersoto7465 3 года назад

      If we control shelob we can use the spider silk to make great yarn and armor clothing etc

    • @kaelang12
      @kaelang12 3 года назад +11

      gardeners know the best ways to deal with pests, after all

    • @MattSpoon07
      @MattSpoon07 3 года назад +1

      With a magic sword, wholesome boi con one magic sword.

    • @32kirby32
      @32kirby32 3 года назад +1

      Wasn’t Sam holding the ring of power during this battle? I think he was in the movie but I’m not sure about the book. Plus his enchanted sword, and the vial of Galadriel containing start light of the Silmaril also all played a factor in this fight

  • @anthonymcrooster3703
    @anthonymcrooster3703 3 года назад +45

    Elanor: "DAD, THERE'S A SPIDER IN MY ROOM!"
    Sam: "That's cute dear."

    • @anthonymcrooster3703
      @anthonymcrooster3703 3 года назад +13

      *Elanor smacks the Timeless Void out of that spider*
      Elanor: "Dad, I killed the spider."
      Sam: "That's my girl."

    • @ihavebeard30
      @ihavebeard30 3 года назад +3

      Excellent comment

    • @Jakegothicsnake
      @Jakegothicsnake 2 года назад +3

      Sam: *wads up a roll of parchment* "EARENDILLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

  • @nordicwarrior5014
    @nordicwarrior5014 3 года назад +152

    Sam defeating Shelob to save his best friends life and finding his courage is one of the most inspiring moments in fiction.

    • @wewenang5167
      @wewenang5167 3 года назад +6

      well, Frodo was his master or employer, no Frodo no pay lmao.

    • @tylersoto7465
      @tylersoto7465 2 года назад +1

      I had a dream once that I was a immortal god being with super strength like superman, super speed and flight, could heal anything and anyone with a touch make things come alive with a touch , turn anything or anyone to any creature I wanted and could shoot solar beams out of my hands etc and brought enlightenment and prosperity to middle earth after sauron died, I tamed Shelob by beating her up and the people of Gondor had a huge supply of spider silk to make elaborate fine clothes, dresses, shirts, pants , hats and rope and tapestries and it's spider silk it made their clothes bullet proof basically being safer if attacked and made gondor more wealthy and went to moria to help clear out the orcs for the dwarves to recolonize it and Killed the watcher lake monster at moria and brought it to gondor and people had a big feast eating lots of sushi that night and boy did they feast and for some reason they teriyaki, orange and Wassabi sauces but I couldn't eat it 🤢, so i asked them to just cook me a whole beef cow filling a table full of beef etc with a pile of melted cheese, ale and pipe weed and we celebrated lol 😎😂😂

  • @mitchmiller6366
    @mitchmiller6366 3 года назад +120

    Tolkien’s experience with spiders as a child, can be definitely shown with this epic character. Bitten in South Africa by a poisonous spider and almost died.

    • @magmar7118
      @magmar7118 3 года назад +14

      I was hoping that someone else knew about this!!

    • @glockparaastra
      @glockparaastra 3 года назад

      Tarantulas are not venomous.

    • @ZiddersRooFurry
      @ZiddersRooFurry 3 года назад +5

      He said he didn't remember the experience and that it didn't play into writing the character.

    • @15thobserver
      @15thobserver 3 года назад +2

      @@glockparaastra I don't think you know very much about tarantulas...

    • @epsilon9739
      @epsilon9739 3 года назад +12

      @@ZiddersRooFurry "...when Ronald [Tolkien] was beginning to walk, he stumbled on a tarantula. It bit him, and he ran in terror across the garden until the nurse snatched him up and sucked out the poison. When he grew up he could remember a hot day and running in fear through long, dead grass, *but the memory of the tarantula itself faded, and he said that the incident left him with no especial dislike of spiders* . Nevertheless, he wrote more than once of monstrous spiders with venomous bites." - J.R.R Tolkien A Biography
      Tolkien was specifically saying that the memory of the tarantula itself has long since faded to communicate that the incident didn't leave him with any hatred or ill will towards spiders, he still remembered the event occuring. Though, you are correct about this event not influencing his work at all.

  • @andyfox4484
    @andyfox4484 3 года назад +46

    I think she survived, by the way Tolkien treated she and her mother characters and their epilogues, it feels like he wanted them to remain as eternal ancient evils dwelling in the dark.

  • @TheOlakainoa
    @TheOlakainoa 3 года назад +214

    How lucky our Third Age friends have it! If Ungoliant was guarding Cirith Ungol...

    • @GUMMRUCHK
      @GUMMRUCHK 3 года назад +79

      If Ungoliant was around she wouldn't be guarding anything she'd probably eat Sauron and the then the world. lmao

    • @Lngbrdninjamasta
      @Lngbrdninjamasta 3 года назад +9

      Facts

    • @Lngbrdninjamasta
      @Lngbrdninjamasta 3 года назад +14

      @@GUMMRUCHK also facts

    • @LEGOMANIAC419
      @LEGOMANIAC419 3 года назад +9

      The Valar would probably have to be called in to deal with her.

    • @GUMMRUCHK
      @GUMMRUCHK 3 года назад +4

      @@LEGOMANIAC419 Probably, the only other being I can think of who might be able to fight her is Durin's Bane since Balrogs defeated her before.

  • @thedunadan8021
    @thedunadan8021 3 года назад +28

    My wife hates spiders. If I'm watching the movie she has to leave the room when Shelob appears.

  • @orrointhewise87
    @orrointhewise87 3 года назад +87

    “We could let HER do it.......yesss precious we could.......”
    Speaking as a minor arachnophobe I did not like this character 😅
    But, like her mother, she’s a good example of what gluttony and greed can do to a person if left unchecked
    Yet I always found her relationship with Sauron fascinating; they hated each other yet used each other to their own means, an unlikely and volatile agreement 🤔
    Either way hoped she died hahahahah
    Every time I find one of her kids in my room I always yell DIE, SPAWN OF UNGOLIANT 🤣🤣🤣

    • @mycaleb8
      @mycaleb8 3 года назад +3

      I don't think Sauron or Shelob felt particularly strongly about eachother. Indeed, the book almost implies that Sauron LIKES Shelob a little bit.

    • @orrointhewise87
      @orrointhewise87 3 года назад +1

      @@mycaleb8 Exactly!! Its so strange and intriguing 🤔
      Not like sitcom worthy or anything but still 😅

    • @EdgarStyles1234
      @EdgarStyles1234 3 года назад +1

      She was saurons cat...

    • @orrointhewise87
      @orrointhewise87 3 года назад

      @@EdgarStyles1234 🤣🤣🤣

    • @MattSpoon07
      @MattSpoon07 3 года назад

      That's pretty good

  • @shadowofchaos8932
    @shadowofchaos8932 3 года назад +50

    She took the form of a spider. Her true dark form must be even more frightful coming from the darkness.

    • @ldx8492
      @ldx8492 3 года назад +11

      Almost like IT, the thing. I'd like to believe that both Ungoliant and Shelob could assume a spider-like form, different from their true one.

    • @chadwhitfield6946
      @chadwhitfield6946 3 года назад +14

      Shelby was born in this form. She couldn't change it.

    • @ldx8492
      @ldx8492 3 года назад +11

      @@chadwhitfield6946 Shelby, I loled

    • @BasePuma4007
      @BasePuma4007 Год назад

      This isn't like IT from steven kings universe. Shelob can't change her form. Just a spider that only wants to eat.

  • @adamnmn86
    @adamnmn86 3 года назад +30

    I like to imagine Sam having successfully sailed to Aman, and after meeting Frodo and Gandalf again, is approached by Ecthelion of the Fountain (who had been reembodied along with Glorfindel thousands of years prior). Ecthelion asks Sam if he is the hobbit who faced down Ungoliant's foul spawn and wielded the light of Earendil. Sam replies that he is, at which point Ecthelion pronounces him a retainer of the People of the Fountain to forever be sung of in Tirion upon Tuna.

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  3 года назад +8

      I really really like that thought

    • @johnmooney5829
      @johnmooney5829 3 года назад +2

      I'm seeing poor Sam fainting clean out on hearing that, haha!

    • @gmansard641
      @gmansard641 2 года назад +2

      Then Turin hails him as "Dagnir Sheloba"

    • @hilary6481
      @hilary6481 2 года назад

      Awwww I love that 🥲😊🥰

  • @Steel-101
    @Steel-101 3 года назад +30

    Oh boy I can feel the arachnophobia kicking in. Seriously this thing freaked me out when I was a kid lol 😆

  • @endermanwithalowercasee
    @endermanwithalowercasee 3 года назад +47

    I remember being so sad as a kid this character was cut from the animated movies

    • @Steel-101
      @Steel-101 3 года назад +10

      Dude it would’ve given kids nightmares lol 😆

    • @dragonmaster613
      @dragonmaster613 3 года назад +8

      @@Steel-101 we would've survived. Kids these days don't have the spine we grew.

    • @Steel-101
      @Steel-101 3 года назад +3

      @@dragonmaster613 that’s a fact 👍🏼

  • @federicaesu8580
    @federicaesu8580 3 года назад +44

    I’m aracnophobic. I can’t imagine anything more terrifying than giant spiders

    • @regrettablemuffin9186
      @regrettablemuffin9186 3 года назад +6

      That’s interesting to me, I have mild arachnophobia, but giant spiders don’t really scare me much. Once they get much bigger than a cat they register in my mind as monsters rather than spiders.

    • @kaelang12
      @kaelang12 3 года назад

      something big enough to prey upon giant spiders?

    • @skeephan716
      @skeephan716 3 года назад

      @@regrettablemuffin9186 Same here. Huge spiders can't suddenly jump you and that is the scarierst hahaha

    • @regrettablemuffin9186
      @regrettablemuffin9186 3 года назад

      @Phuk Hyutoob they bother me in different ways, spiders make my skin crawl but a monster is just something that I wouldn’t want to have to fight but probably never will

  • @turdferguson9356
    @turdferguson9356 3 года назад +24

    perhaps, in her madness and injury, she consumed herself... just as her mother had so many years before...

  • @NOIDEAIWILLJUSTUSEHAILEYIGUESS
    @NOIDEAIWILLJUSTUSEHAILEYIGUESS 3 года назад +12

    If shelob did survive, I find it likely that Faramir and his descendants who would settle in Ithilien and rebuild Minas ithil wouldve had the toughest time keeping Shelob at bay as they tried protecting Gondor's borders. Shelob could've also gotten a cult, given how the corruption left by the nazgul in ithilien could drive men mad.

  • @amicaaranearum
    @amicaaranearum 3 года назад +6

    I think it is likely that Shelob either succumbed to her wounds or eventually wasted away.
    However, as an arachnophile, I prefer to believe that she endured in some shadowy corner of the world, providing nightmare fuel for the men of the Fourth Age.

  • @mostephenson2007
    @mostephenson2007 3 года назад +10

    Ungoliant and Shelob gave me a healthy interest and respect for arachnids. Beautifully creepy.

  • @IronDragon-2143
    @IronDragon-2143 3 года назад +13

    Hey buddy here's a tricky theory for a future video. What if Sauron never joined Morgoth and stayed good? Who would take his place as the Dark Lord during the events of LOTR?

    • @EdricLysharae
      @EdricLysharae Год назад

      I had a similar *what if* where it was Aule (angered by the lesser status Eru had placed on his creations), who went evil instead of Melkor. Sauron siding with an evil Aule is just the perfect match.

  • @hazbojangles2681
    @hazbojangles2681 3 года назад +13

    I hope my Dad with Arachnophobia never sees this video. Great video so far!

  • @totroco
    @totroco 3 года назад +1

    you gave me tears with ur last thoughts bro..always respect to your work

  • @bgcvetan
    @bgcvetan 3 года назад +6

    You Madman actually did it, a Shelob video.
    Shelob likely starved, given that Sauron was no more to send feeding to her door,
    and Gandalf banning anyone from going to Minas Morgul.
    p.s. i hope you do video for April the 1st.

  • @BigBWolf90
    @BigBWolf90 3 года назад +4

    "Let him go you FILTH!" - Samwise "the Brave"

  • @pennydreadful5163
    @pennydreadful5163 3 года назад +2

    Thank you for presenting us with another wonderful video. :)

  • @rickjohnson3215
    @rickjohnson3215 3 года назад +2

    Love your videos! It seems to me that Ungoliant and her sisters/daughters represent the industrialization and soiling of Tolkien’s beloved woods of his childhood. Also, expand this to the polluting of the natural world in general.

  • @Greymangamer
    @Greymangamer 3 года назад

    Always enjoy your videos! I also appreciate how you find a positive point to learn from each week, keep up the great work, Mellon.

  • @sethmiller2534
    @sethmiller2534 3 года назад +1

    Just like Shelob spins a web, you spin together a beautiful story and make us all gleeful. It’s truly bliss

  • @rangerofthenorth1970
    @rangerofthenorth1970 3 года назад +1

    Man its 00:30 at my place, and Im still watching your amazing videos!!!
    Keep up with the good work....

  • @Kane_225
    @Kane_225 3 года назад +4

    Im always happy when I get a video notification from you!(:

  • @BobCain2006
    @BobCain2006 3 года назад

    Appreciate all your videos. Thank you for all you do!

  • @AskMia411
    @AskMia411 Год назад +1

    I remember going to see The Two Towers as a kid, and being really anxious about seeing Shelob (because that scene in the books is in the two towers) and being relieved, but also very confused, when the movie stopped short of Cirith Ungol. My mom (the one who’d read the trilogy to me) explained that while Shelob is in the two towers book, chronologically this was happening at the same time as events in return of the king. She also brought up the first movie, where Boromir’s death was included despite it technically being the first chapter (iirc) of two towers.

    • @endermanwithalowercasee
      @endermanwithalowercasee 8 месяцев назад +1

      So how was it when you finally saw her in the third film?

    • @AskMia411
      @AskMia411 8 месяцев назад

      @@endermanwithalowercasee Oh, I still freaked out 😁 Frodo going in alone made it worse. The scene was masterfully done, from the CGI to the music and sound effects. It’s still a pretty scary scene. Although I think I was more scared and startled when Gollum jumped Frodo after he escaped Shelob. “GOT AWAY DID IT, PRECIOUS???” Bit of a jump scare for little baby me 😅

  • @fluffbucket9560
    @fluffbucket9560 3 года назад +3

    As always a great video!

  • @dungeonwarrior9499
    @dungeonwarrior9499 3 года назад +1

    Fascinating Lore! Thank you!

  • @Chris-qd8pm
    @Chris-qd8pm 3 года назад +2

    When I first watched the Return of the King movie trailer and saw Shelob, my jaw dropped and I was amazed at how gross/ real she looked. I was also glad that, although, Shelob was in the Two Towers book, they didn't try and squeeze her in the second movie. Jackson did an amazing job with her in the Return of the King

  • @ragnarcrockettsson4058
    @ragnarcrockettsson4058 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic video as usual Yoystan!

  • @hoo7797
    @hoo7797 3 года назад +2

    7:31 "... for Ungoliant would've devoured the light, rather than be afraid of it." That's such a power move imagine Frodo holding up the Phial to defend himself and Sam only for her to frickin eat it.

  • @hiswayservicesblog9288
    @hiswayservicesblog9288 3 года назад +1

    That music...very, very eerie!

  • @user-my7dg9su3g
    @user-my7dg9su3g 3 года назад +1

    Amazing video yoystan

  • @morrigandanae
    @morrigandanae 3 года назад +4

    Last time I was this early, Ungoliant was still alive XD

  • @grimdawn9843
    @grimdawn9843 3 года назад +3

    Sadly spiders are unable to recover from injuries to their abdomen... they cant heal the break in their chitinous hull and slowly drain out.

  • @mariapazgonzalezlesme
    @mariapazgonzalezlesme 3 года назад +27

    Lovecraft + Lord of the Rings = Shelob.

    • @ldx8492
      @ldx8492 3 года назад +4

      Wait to hear from Ungoliant, the one that even made Melkor himself tremble in fear.

  • @eacalvert
    @eacalvert 3 года назад

    Another wonderful video. Thank you 🥰

  • @JJ-ui2jr
    @JJ-ui2jr 3 года назад

    This is very helpful. Thanks!!

  • @dhgodzilla1
    @dhgodzilla1 3 года назад

    Always enjoy your videos

  • @Cassiel75
    @Cassiel75 3 года назад +1

    You are a splendid narrator, Sir
    /-a very compelling voice

  • @Uphier
    @Uphier 3 года назад

    I waited a whole week for this and was not disappointed :D

  • @matthewwilson3673
    @matthewwilson3673 3 года назад +1

    love shelob, good video

  • @turinthalion8784
    @turinthalion8784 3 года назад

    She survived because some spiders are gross like that, even if you step on them they keep going. Like you said in the video even after being partially blinded and stabbed in the middle she was still ready to kill Sam. Luckily he still had the light. I bet she will be something that Gondorian parents use to keep their kids in line for many more years to come. Fear the undying spider queen!

  • @toxic3n3rgy
    @toxic3n3rgy 3 года назад +3

    Last time I was this early, Imin was still looking for friends.

  • @Endemion01
    @Endemion01 3 года назад +2

    Shelob Schmelob.
    Make a video on why Tar-Atanamir is the Witch-King.

  • @daveandjolee
    @daveandjolee 3 года назад +1

    Awesome 😎

  • @leahea4906
    @leahea4906 3 года назад +3

    I'm not afraid of spiders anymore when I see cockroaches.btw awesome video as always.

  • @monitor-mindtheover-void6712
    @monitor-mindtheover-void6712 3 года назад +2

    Whenever Sam does something, it puts a smile on my face😊.

  • @dungeonwarrior9499
    @dungeonwarrior9499 3 года назад

    Good show bravo! 👏🏻

  • @jasonmiller659
    @jasonmiller659 3 года назад +2

    I usually don't like spiders but when it's a vid on her I love it plus it's a men of the west video who couldn't love it

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  3 года назад +1

      Thanks Jason, I really appreciate it buddy!

    • @jasonmiller659
      @jasonmiller659 3 года назад

      No prob! Thanks to you I've grown to love LOT keep up the great work and may good fortune bless you

  • @hughgedney3393
    @hughgedney3393 3 года назад

    A very extremely great video as always Men of the West. Also I agree with a theory that Ungoliant could be a Maiar herself.

  • @noone6812
    @noone6812 3 года назад

    Outstanding.

  • @elemirion
    @elemirion 3 года назад

    This is really cool, I am of course an arachnophobe so watching anything with spiders is hard, but she was an important part of the story! Thank you!!!

  • @gmansard641
    @gmansard641 2 года назад

    One of my favorite parts of the story, so many things come together in just a few pages.
    The Valaquenta says that Manwe, when Varda is beside him, despite all darkness can see everywhere in Arda, and Varda, when with Manwe, can hear all that passes. So there is no doubt that Manwe knew where they were and that Varda heard Sam sing out for her protection.
    Then Varda, Tintalle that she is, caused the Phial to blaze forth its brilliance, giving Sam a weapon --- the light of the Trees Ungoliant destroyed --- that enabled him to defeat Ungoliant's offspring Shelob.
    Sam unknowingly saw this just a day or so earlier, realizing they were carrying some of the same light that Beren and Luthien rescued from Angband. A continuation of the same story.

  • @melkhiordarkfell4354
    @melkhiordarkfell4354 3 года назад

    Hay Yoysten, love the series, just curious if you are familiar with Games Workshops Lord of the Rings Tabletop game, there was a bit of interesting liberties taken with the copyright such as giving unique versions of the 8 other Ringwraiths apart from the Witch-King, having models for the Variags of Khand and some book only characters with models in the style of the Peter Jackson movies, for example Glorfindel and Gildor.

  • @Toviyah
    @Toviyah 3 года назад +3

    Yes Shelob!!!!! Hope you had a good weekend and rest of today I was wondering why would there be elves men just wondering around cirith ungol t o be eaten by her but as always stand men of the west

  • @jamessayers5903
    @jamessayers5903 3 года назад +1

    I like to think that she perished after this, meaning the world was even brighter after the fall of Sauron

  • @theWitch-KingofAngmar
    @theWitch-KingofAngmar 3 года назад +9

    Had not my master Sauron the Great wished to have her up in Cirith Ungol as a guardian, I would have had the revolting beast slayed long ago

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 года назад

    Worthy topic

  • @roberthofmann8403
    @roberthofmann8403 3 года назад

    Good vid.

  • @jackthehumanofficial
    @jackthehumanofficial 3 года назад

    yoysten you are the MAN

  • @markobalazevic9057
    @markobalazevic9057 3 года назад

    I think I heard a story that Bilbo visited Erebor again in his last adventure during LoTR, if thats the case could you do a video about it? I cant find any sources to confirm this tale, but if I am wrong please correct me in the comments.

  • @asianhobbitshaving3050
    @asianhobbitshaving3050 Год назад

    As I understand it, a deep puncture to a spider's abdomen is lethal. Shelob, being very "spider-like" , probably bled to death after Sam-Wise stabbed her with Sting,(the Elven dagger). The mystical nature of Sting, suggests that the wound that Shells suffered was even worse due to the "light" with which the Elves had forged it.

  • @moctarfofana392
    @moctarfofana392 3 года назад +1

    The same way Frodo's Morgul wound would never really heal, Shelob's wound would never heal since she was stabbed with an elvish blade. Frodo had the benefit of lord Elrond's healing hands so at least the damage done to him was lessened to a great extent; but for Shelob there would be no such healer. Its possible that with her weakened state and evil being finally cast out of Mordor forever, that she either died of the wound or starved to death.

  • @crazykids2004
    @crazykids2004 3 года назад

    Man so Shelob the spider is the Daughter of Ugoliath Probably a Maia of evil or darkness of course like Sauron just like his master just used the greater evil Spiders not to give them what they deserve amazing video as always 💓

  • @Xenomrph
    @Xenomrph 3 года назад

    I like how the video game Shadow of War asked the important question, “what if Shelob was *sexy*?”

  • @matthewedwards6025
    @matthewedwards6025 2 года назад

    I like to think that Shelob survived, but always had a deathly fear of hobbits thereafter.

  • @PalmelaHanderson
    @PalmelaHanderson 3 года назад +1

    My theory with beings like Ungoliant, Tom Bombadil, and Goldberry is that they are Maiar (or something similar) who kind of just chose not to follow the song of Eru. They were created, then were like "nah I'm good" and did their own thing. I think this is best exemplified by the fact that Tom Bombadil's appearance does not change when he puts the ring on. If the ring basically transforms you into your spectral/spirtual form (which is why you become invisible to most if you never beheld the light of the trees), Tom is just... Tom. A pure spirit, if you will. Ungoliant and Shelob are probably the same. Rogue angels, if you will. Some are good, some are bad.
    edit: Goldberry, not Merrygold. My Witcher is creeping into my Middle-earth

    • @MattSpoon07
      @MattSpoon07 3 года назад

      They are the things unforetold and unsung that lie solely in the mind of Eru and he brings them into being himself, for his own ends.

    • @endermanwithalowercasee
      @endermanwithalowercasee 8 месяцев назад

      I think Tom and Ungoliant specifically, are embodiments of the music itself. Tom of the main theme, and Ungoliant the discord

  • @Gargorok.
    @Gargorok. 3 года назад +1

    I like to think Shelob survived. With the downfall of Sauron and legends of how she got hurt, the region got less scary for adventurers who foolishly ventured too deep into her den and got eaten.

  • @fluffbucket9560
    @fluffbucket9560 3 года назад +2

    I liked the video

  • @Blackferret66
    @Blackferret66 3 года назад

    I like to think that Shelob died as her mother was rumored to. Devouring herself out of hunger, as she lay wounded and crippled in the dark.

  • @wolftal1178
    @wolftal1178 3 года назад

    I think you’re absolutely right his love made him just as much a great warrior as the times of old.
    To be honest I don’t think Shelob died after the battle but I believe she was greatly hurt by the fight, so much so that it may well have been years before she was able enough to go hunting again. And considering the orcs were driven out of Mordor, and men (for the moment) were too afraid to live in Morgal vale, I believe it’s probable she slowly began to starve and become much weaker with lack of food. Maybe she would have to leave to find better hunting grounds or maybe she would just have to wither away away to the point where physically she would no longer be a danger to anyone, or maybe she did find food and slowly began to grow in strength again until the men have Gondor would one day drive her out.I don’t know.

  • @guilherme5094
    @guilherme5094 3 года назад

    Thank you.

  • @josephjenkinsjr.2507
    @josephjenkinsjr.2507 3 года назад

    I believe that she survived, initially, but she died later on because she was greatly weakened by her fight with Sam. So, eventually, she perished either from starvation or at the hands of some unknown foe whom she came across at a later time while in her weakened state. But that's how I like to view it, in a sort of way that doesn't diminish either Shelob's great threat, nor Sam's amazing feat in his battle with her.

  • @isam8057
    @isam8057 3 года назад +2

    In before Seth Miller says “I wish you had 8 arms so I could get a strong hug from you” or something like that

  • @orangexlightning
    @orangexlightning 3 года назад +1

    I love how spiders are used in Middle Earth.

  • @hudsonball4702
    @hudsonball4702 3 года назад +1

    How about doing a video about the great statues built during the ages.

  • @Cassiel75
    @Cassiel75 3 года назад

    I always found her very special...
    Very much her own.
    And JRRT seemed to portray her as such

  • @alwaysplotting2096
    @alwaysplotting2096 День назад

    Even if Shelob did survive... Losing to Sam probably wounded her ego for the rest of her days.

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 года назад

    Thanks

  • @berserkerofthrawn5707
    @berserkerofthrawn5707 3 года назад +6

    We never go where she lives she eats all who go in cave the web can't be cut by my Berserker sword

  • @andrewpaige1194
    @andrewpaige1194 2 года назад

    Yes, we all DO have the power to face down great evils, and do amazing things, and reach great heights above our stature....all we need is confidence, a magic sword from the elves, and the light of a Silmaril!

  • @Void304
    @Void304 3 года назад +3

    Courage is definitely what gave Sam the strength to defeat Shelob. But KILL her? Eh...I doubt it. Not an evil that ancient. Sauron himself trusted her to guard his flank, and I don't think that would be a job he'd entrust to just anyone.
    Like the bravery of Samwise Gamgee, Sting was powerful for it's size, but I think the truth is in it's name. Shelob may well have died, INDIRECTLY, as a result of her fight with Sam, but I always thought that she would likely have retreated to the darkness far underground. Both to escape the reach of Sting and Galadriel's phial, as well as tend her wounds as best she could. Feeding on whatever scraps she could find down there, it probably wouldn't have been enough to sustain her insatiable hunger for living things. Gradually wasting away in the darkness, she would most likely have starved to death. Which would be a poetic end for her.

  • @markstott6689
    @markstott6689 Год назад

    Vile creatures like Shelob always feel incredibly hard to kill. It wouldn't have surprised me if he'd lived long enough we found Shelob survived.
    She likely would have haunted the mountains hunting for orcs.
    If Gondor eventually returned to Cirith Ungol to serve as a border post and she was still in the locality they would have to deal with her. Whether that be by destroying Shelob or driving her out of her lair and into Mordor proper we shall never know.
    Using fire to drive her out makes most sense to me.

  • @trinketsphinx3212
    @trinketsphinx3212 3 года назад +2

    But wait! Don't you guys know that Shelob is actually a super sexy lady who only became a spider to survive after being betrayed by elfy Sauron?! *sarcasm heavy enough to concuss an oliphant*

  • @mikehawk4503
    @mikehawk4503 3 года назад +1

    Good vidio

  • @noahb2699
    @noahb2699 3 года назад

    What do you think of the Peter Jackson films version of the events in Shelob's cave? Obviously the exact details were a little different, such as the film having Gollum force Sam away before they enter the spider's lair. However, I do feel they did do a good job of portraying Sam's bravery and the horror one would get when facing a monster such as Shelob.

  • @groovefourtwenty975
    @groovefourtwenty975 2 года назад

    I do like to think that Shelob survived the aftermath of the Fall of Sauron. In itself she is not evil but just a regular spider, a regular animal. She has no plans to extent her domain but to have a steady source of food. As someone who carries all insects out of his flat alive I like to think that she is a symbol for live and let live.

  • @tehwatcherintehwater2022
    @tehwatcherintehwater2022 3 года назад

    You should feature Shelob in a future "Who Would Win?" video.

  • @CurrentlyOnLV-426
    @CurrentlyOnLV-426 3 года назад

    Shelob laid there dying, and would have passed from all knowledge, but for one man.
    Stan Lee.
    He said, "Look, there's a spider, man."
    And the rest is history.

  • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
    @VoiceOfTheEmperor 3 года назад +1

    I cannot watch this video due to my arachnophobia. Regardless, AWESOME quality as usual my man!

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  3 года назад

      Completely understandable, my friend! I was thinking about that when making this, and I completely understand. Cheers buddy!

  • @paulwagner688
    @paulwagner688 3 года назад

    Cirith Ungol, Torech Ungol. It makes clear that the Pass was known to be guarded by a child of Ungoliant, Whether or not she survived to the Fourth Age is not known, but I'm guessing that something remained in that pass.

  • @johnpatricktan5545
    @johnpatricktan5545 3 года назад

    an interesting video this is

  • @niamhne8046
    @niamhne8046 3 года назад

    I was very young when I watched the movies when they came out and I couldn’t even watch the Shelob scene, I’m not even scared of spider but Shelob was something else