Why you MUST Coordinate your attack! - Total War Tactics: Warhammer
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- In this Total War Tactic for Warhammer 3, we look at the important of a well organised, coordinated attack, and some tips for making it go smoothly.
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Greetings from Spain, Zerko. Let me deeply THANK you for your job. I knew I was going to enjoy this game, so I compulsory started buying WH1, 2 & 3 with all DLCs, just for not being skilled enough to beat (hence enjoy) the game. Don't want to calculate how many bucks I did spend in a row. Now thank to your videos I am starting to have really nice moments with WH3.
It might not seem importart for some people, but for me, it is. Again, thx.
I was a late arrival as well. Glad I put the money into it, though. I still like playing WH 2 more than 3, but that will change soon, I suspect.
@@avrivah1101 I haven't tried much WH2, tbh, just used it as a vehicle to play Immortal Empires. Will give it a try, though.
@@juanignacioayalarico9410 don’t the quality of life updates in wh3 are enough to play wh3 over wh2 also some factions and races got good updates in wh3 for example volkmars faction
@@juanignacioayalarico9410 definitely give it a try. I recommend trying elf factions. People generally dislike vortex but it's a nice 'alternative' campaign you might enjoy. Dark elves are way more fun in wh2. Give them a try
Check out elven plot armor’s videos as well. They both make great videos about tactics formations game mechanics etc.
From my experience, when grouped, they move in formation, not just at the same speed. The formation they were in when you locked it, so relock if you make changes to where they stand. And when you tell the locked group to attack, they attack what's in front of their position in the formation. But if you select units individually instead of the whole group, they'll target what you tell them to specifically.
I'd love to see an in depth layout of defensive playstyles, like dwarves. F.e. how to set up your front line so your guns can still shoot effectively, since flanking with dwarves isn't really a thing. But still stop the enemy cav from leaking through those holes, etc. :)
as a very defensive dwarf player i second this!
Not an expert here, but:
In my limited experience, slayers in reserve can really help secure flanks, and copters can apply some good flank pressure.
Look up the chevron formation
I personally put my most defensive unit 2x along with lord uptop and down on the flanks is cheaper/mid tier infantry. Which leaves a big hole between center and flank. Extremely good for melting enemy infantry from sides with guns or flame throwers. Something like this:
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The stars are flamers and ranged unit. Make sure not to leave big gap or enemy will close in on your troops and ruin your entire formation.
Bugmans rangers on Flank with slayers behind.
Bugmans have Charge Def vs large and stealth..so cav wont know whats happened.
Charles slayers in,pull Bugmans back through slayers and dead cav
I know it sucks having to redo guides and tactics for each faction with each new patch/change, but having short-ish and sweet videos with each update would be AMAZING! Plus, more content.
We’re probably only going to see maybe one more update each for any of the non WH3 factions, they are a lot safer to do now imo
Awesome! Would love those tactics videos of each faction, special units, magics 👏🏻
6:10 i use unlocked group for cav and fliers but locked for main army and then after they engage i click on them individually or with dragging.
Works for me!
you might try unlocked if you wanna quickly zoom to your cav on the other side of the map and order them all to go back to the main party
Great vid! Thank you for the help. Just a suggestion but a vid on using different types of skirmishers could be interesting 😁
I love this kind of videos 11/10 !!
Bro the problem you talked about at 3:20 is exactly one of the major noob mistakes I have been making. Thanks for helping with that XD
Damn I never noticed that padlock after hundreds of hours... Really useful thanks!
I bought the TWW games a few weeks ago, and it's already become the biggest time sink in my spare time, partly due to your videos. They are great both educationally and for entertainment, and have helped a ton of getting into the games. You have a really good commentary voice. Articulate, interesting, and well balanced between hard info and jokes. Thanks for making these!
Now, since I started playing just after the Immortal Empires patch, I am wondering how much of the information from your W1& W2 videos is still reliable? I am guessing most of the information remains the same, but with some small balance changes to various units?
Perhaps some veterans in the comments can help with this?
It's highly specific. Usually the more DLCs a faction has got the less likely it is that the information is sti up to date.
Factions that got introduced in a DLC are relatively stable (at least more than base game factions). From the top of my head I would say that Dwarfs, Empire and LM probably changed the least.
Usually if you have such specific questions joining his discord is the best call. There are many nice people there willing to answer them.
Perfect time for this video, thanks for what you do for us 🙏
If you don't coordinate your attack, you are going to have a bad time.
~ Sun Tzu
You pizza'd when you should have french fried
@@LARRY113Z awesomeness leaks out of you Sir
Khorne worshippers when I tell them there's more to battle than right clicking the enemy.
Just played Battlefleet Gothica for the first time against a buddy who’s played 40 hours. Lost the first match because it’s all unfamiliar and confusing. Second match, still no idea what anything does, but I WON.
As soon as I understood that the map and terrain work a bit like Total War, I was able to perfectly coordinate a flank and rip his fleet to shreds.
Did I have any idea what any of my ships were, or their abilities, or how to use them? Nope. But I know timing and positioning and that won the day.
A super tactic though is to rush one unit and bomb it into the front lines the AI will lurch to it and blob up this is how I kill multiple stacks with ogres
Bonus points if it's a single powerful hero
@@Ellebeeby ohh facts for sure
So that's what that little padlock does. Thanks for the vid!
Hey zerkovich will you be posting more battle replays?
Amazing.
If I wanna move a mixed army simultaneosly I just toggle the walk/run feature on the cav to keep them close to formation.
Vanguard trebuchets, I will never forget how upset that made me.
Thanks for your video
For new player, how can i know what unit should i focus and kill first ? For example should I focus big monster or caster in first ? Ranged with my cavs in first ? I really don’t know who should I focus …
Try 2 get ranged and arty with cav,than hammer and anvil on main battle line.
Ranged focus..lords, units your units are ili suited 2 kill, cav,anything large and enemy Archers.
Also shoot at units without shields 1st.
When main lines are engaged feel free to može some Archer on flank or behind enemy inf fighting yours so u avoid rheir shielss
how come there be soo much blood i dont get that effect in my game
ye i think they did change locked groups a bit cuz now your lokced units will go aattatck nearby enemies if the ones they were fighitng break. I dont think i recall tht happpening before.
So i have a tactic I've learned from rome 2 I've learned where you build a inverted u and have calvary on both flanks to counter flanking then I force you to clash my line and you have to tie up all my units or my line unfolds and wraps you as shock cav hammers you in the rear is that seen as a noobie tactic
Entertaining.
understood, send everything in all at once and SMASH!!!
Its abit more like fencing than chess. In that you always have to have your reflexes and peripheral vision on maximum overdrive.
i got the problem with factions like skaven. I dont know how to get the enemy cavalery away from my ranged units like ratling gunners because i got a lot of ranged untis and they cant fight alone against melee
I love playing skaven, mainly ikit claw do my main armies are loaded with ranged.
I typically have 4 jezzals, 6 infantry (usually 3 sword and 3 anti large) 3 artillery, 2 ratling guns, 2 doom wheels, the lord, a hero to counter the lord (ie a chieftain if I have a wizard), then the last spot is usually a monster or anothet hero. No army is perfect so it'll take time to get what works best for you. I play skaven very defensively so my infantry takes the brunt of damage so my infantry is laid out like a trapezoid with ranged inside.
Basically put like 4 infantry up front and then 1 or 2 on each arm. If I do need to defend my cav is the unit to intercept the enemy cav, or a tankier hero.
Ratling gunners can often get away with just shooting approaching cavalry because they do so much damage.
Failing that though, having ranged or artillery in an army is an inherent risk/reward situation that you just have to live with, you are sacrificing manoeuvrability for more offence.
You probably want every two missile units to have a guard of at least one melee capable unit that is kept back to protect the flank until you can be sure your missiles are safe.
Unless you're playing a faction like Kislev or Dwarves who's missile units are decent in a melee then you need more melee.
For the Skaven, Skavenslaves actually make pretty good flank protection. You can just place them by your ratlings and forget about them, they won't be wasted sitting around since they don't do much damage anyway, you can freely shoot them in the back and not care and they're cheap as hell.
Don’t use infantry units put 4 plague priest heroes in your armies instead and use the vermintide summon much better than recruiting actual infantry
Plenty of options, depending on your army and the enemy's. Focus firing their cavalry with multiple units. Using Skavenslave guards to block the charge. Skaven have lots of summons- Menace Below, Packmaster rats, Plague Priest summons... save some uses to screen.
Fliers are hard to block, but melt with focus fire on approach.
@@hereisjohnny1875 this is the way. 4-6 jezzails, 5-7 rattling gunners, some siege, maybe a few mortars, and like 2-5 plague priests. Set up in a defensive position and get the enemy to push you by hitting them with jezzails and siege.
Hi Zero and Fans of Total War, i have a question. How many hp have walls, gates and towers in Total war Warhammer 2?
Would that trick with faster units starting further away not lead to those units getting tired faster, thus making them weaker?
Not really, tiring is mostly a factor of time, plus you could just walk them
Maybe a tiny bit.
Honestly running isn't that big of a drain, especially in the context of single player.
Pessimistically, running that extra bit is like, another second or two per bracket of exhaustion.
anytime i do this they send their cav to counter my cav. what do
It's really hard when you have big armies for me.
PLEASE, MAKE A VIDEO WHOS IS THE BEST UNBREAKEBLE
There still seems to be a problem with some flying units, mainly lords going ahead even in group lock, this is because they essentially default to 'run' New players should also be aware of this.
What is group lock and how do I turn it on? I assume it makes the faster units stay within formation right?
The video i was aneed. Everytime i bring some cavalry i forget about it, i forget to move it, i move it too late, too early, i moove it in the wrong place.... And when i realize i panic and i loose control of the frontline
Ha! For me its "Oi where´s my general gone?"
@@theunfortunategeneral during a campaign i fought the same battle 5 times. At the 5th i had a chance to win and almost wasted it because my thane lord was chasing of some skavenslaves outside of the walls of my city while the survivor of my army were dying. Fortunatly i brought him back! He was blowing up by some artillery in the distance. What hell of a match
Try and put your armies on auto guard mode. Go into settings and you can have it apply to all your units from the start. Same with skirmish mode for ranged. If all your army is defensive such as the dwarves they should be in guard mode anyway so they never chase down units. They are too slow to catch anything anyway. The ranged units for the dwarves are their key to victory.
Also with the new alliance system you can get your Ally’s units. Such as cav. Team up with any empire faction and build an embassy in their capital and you can get cav as the dwarfs or any other the empires units such as rockets and steam tanks. It’ll help free up your slow hero’s and front line to just sit and tank the damage while they swing way around to take out and distract the enemies artillery
@@davidring681 i've forgotten about guard mode. Thank you!
Bro the thumbnail
I thought you were coordinating attacks on a baby
No need to Coordinate when my army consists of one Skarbrand.
Jokes aside, 200 hours in and I never realized the lock on grouping kept units moving at the same speed. Holy guacamole is that going to become a key feature in my campaigns.
Yay; comment for the algorithm
Or you know, send in 20 stack of zombies with Ghorst and win XD because it's silly and works
Meanwhile me: HAHA HELLSTORM ROWKITS GO BRRRRRRRRR!
Reserves? Who do you think you are Roman’s? Send everyone in
I know matchup setups but I find terrain advantage a bit difficult to make use of. I also don't know how to effectively use stalk units. What's the point of hiding units in this game?
To trick the AI. If the AI cant see a unit, they'll act as if it isn't there. It can lead them into moving their units into a disadvantageous position, or perhaps hide on of your injured units to keep it alive/regen.
Total War players were really out in force during Season 8
Me, who can't focus on more than one spot of the battle at a time: I told my units to flank, I made the route, enemy stopped them. Now it's attack move, screw it.
Me: Okay, cavalry, move over to this bit of forest. We're waiting for the enemy to spread out so you can get in and bring down that artillery piece. Wait for my signal.
Me, 4 minutes later: Why the hell are you standing in the forest, get over here and help the front line you dumb bastards
Truly, I am become Thanqol
1:14 "Here's my nice organized greenskins army."
*confused lore noises*
you don't send in your full army. You send in Gorrok and let kroak kill what he cannot.
You then protect kroak from anything else.
The average TW player could have commanded the battle far better in GOT S8.
Only send a few units in first if you're playing against AI and they have artillery
How and then get your troops out? Then you should pull out you cavalry? Monster infantry? Dragons? Other monsters? Can you pull your infantry somehow? Is there a situation it's better to let em fight to death, then try to pull it out?
That's probably not for geting answer here but in future video =)
One fun tactics is to delay one side of your army to create a defensive front while hitting hard on the other side. When you approach the ennemy line, fall back with your weak side instead of clashing. You need to fall back to protect your strong side, giving your front an L shape. The longer side overpower the ennemy and the shorter side hold half of a confuse AI army.
Work wonder when you are against a shit tons of weak infantry like the undead or the skaven, early or mid game. They tend to blob on your defensive front instead of flanking or helping their weak side.
THAT’s what the lock does?!? Guy with 10k hours on TW here.
As Zerk mentions in passing if you give a padlocked group an attack right click each unit will try and attack an enemy in front of them, thus preserving your order of battle.
Results can be a little off sometimes, but well worth experimenting with.
you dont need to coordinate when u had waywatcher and dreadquake mortar on your army
Jokes on you, I play Dawi and you can always trick the ai and often players online to come to you with some copters. ^^
Wait...... An organized greenskin army...... Is that even allowed?
i feel like this vids going to need a remake. its a very important topic that was semi blundered. locked group is not the answer to keeping fast units in line, and putting faster units in the back is even worse as its more fatigue. the true way to do it is fast units get run taken off, then charge in when appropriate.
additionally, the coordination starts with concise army planning. if youre having trouble microing 2-3 types of cav or dogs or squishy monsterous units, cut down on unit diversity. theres no shame in playing a simpler but more effective army, save the heavy micro armies for coop
**How to play Bretonnia 101**
Getting culture shock from the phrase "nice, organized greenskin army"
God fuckin' damnit, after creating a post on r/totalwarwarhammer, about the auto resolve, and discovering that A LOT of people play this game USING AUTO RESOLVE 99% OF THE TIME (literally, some people said that the only fights they fight manually, are the quest battles), i just feel sad watching this kind of video, knowing that many people won't even THINK of using/making some tactic to win a strong fight.
Sending in the cavalry to get slaughtered wasn't the only stupid thing they did. They then left a huge chunk of the Unsullied to get slaughtered outside the defensive trench in a pointless delaying action.
It is called DEFEAT ON DETAIL. Imagine being corrected by non native 😂
with hero doomstack you just blob up and heal.
Nice organized Greenskin Army? What do these words even mean?
1:15 "organised greenskin army". ....that just sounds so unnatural :D
Thanks for reminding me how awful GOT Seasons 7 and 8 were.
Lol tactic in warhammer 😅😅 early April's fools joke
Get stack of broken unit.
Win
Tactics.
Such a stupid moment in the series. Wasted Melisandre's buff...
Im not really sure who this video is for.. Like when does any battle ever play out like this with balanced lines meeting neatly?
Multiplayer battles never play out as simply as this and in single player the AI is way way WAY too dumb for any of this to matter.
I guess you could call it fundamentals but in reality it has no bearing on anything that plays out in WH3.. more appropriate for historic titles tbh
Kinda missed the whole point of the video then :P Not about clean frontlines its just a guide video. Its about using you army as a whole to overwhelm the enemy.
It's to teach beginners the basics. Not that complicated. Calm down.
tbh even in historic battles the ai tends to approach in a neat formation that has 2 or maybe even 3 lines (especialy in m2tw kingdoms) but then once its close it charges , players call it stupid but then again most people get close and then send their units to charge individual enemy units ,