stubled upon this older Video and just wanted to bring some Light in the dark with the tapping head. As commented before it is from a machine factory (WMW - Werkzeug Maschinen Werke which translates to tool machine factory) from East Germany (the former GDR) It was one of the few and to my knowledge the biggest machine Factory there back in the days. They still exist today and besides building machines to your specifications, they offer cnc conversion kits for their older machines. (still for big bucks - so no hobby type affordable) The writing on the side "Gewindebohrfutter" would most likely translate to "tapping head chuck" Love your Viedeos! I know you're going through a dark time now, but can't wait to have you back!
TV is garbage. 160 channels of nothing, and then they repeat it. (I have no idea how many channels; it could be 1600). An endless loop of garbage and brain rotting propaganda. Haven't had TV for over a decade.
Hi your threading tool comes from the former GDR (German Democratic Republic), i.e. from East Germany and has been made by VEB August-Bebel Werk. "VEB" is "Volkseigener Betrieb", which translates into "Publicly Owned Operation". As many other factories in the GDR this operation was named after a Marxist/Socialist politician, in this case August Bebel. Tools from East Germany tended to be of quite good quality. Kind regards Harald
+Tino J - in case you missed the news, the Berlin Wall was torn down almost 30 years ago. We now also have boats and planes that cross the Atlantic a few times every day. Seems like plenty of time for some items from the former GDR to have made their way over to the 'free world'.
A lot of East European and Russian tools went to the West, and the quality wasn't as bad as you might think - I had a Russian bench grinder in my shop, I can't tell you which brand because it was written in cyrillic, but it worked like a charm for many years.
I absolutely love your videos and your sense of humor! Out of all the youtube machinists, I find your videos to be the most pleasant to watch. I know there are many great machinists out there but their videos concentrate just on the machining part. In my opinion, your videos have the perfect balance between entertainment and education/machining tips. I like to watch a couple of your videos every night before I go to bed... Please keep up with the great work and continue making videos!
GEORGE ZARIFIS, you said: "I absolutely love your videos and your sense of humor! Out of all the youtube machinists, I find your videos to be the most pleasant to watch. I know there are many great machinists out there but their videos concentrate just on the machining part. In my opinion, your videos have the perfect balance between entertainment and education/machining tips. I like to watch a couple of your videos every night before I go to bed... Please keep up with the great work and continue making videos!" I thought it was obvious. LOL
Can't beat starting the day with a long TOT and short AvE video. Tony has by far the best metal parting techniques. I'd watch an entire video just on that. A+ for distance mounting too, that was an excellent toss.
Having made a few vids and lived with professional videographers, I can conceive of the edge of how much time he puts into moving lighting and cameras, taking shots, checking, filming again, editing.... If you think Tony is patient with a time consuming machining process, you don't know the fifth of it.
I also canceled my NetFlix because they became too political. I also have not turned my TV on in almost 2 years now. Its You Tube all the way for me. TOT is not just entertaining but very informative. I would much rather soak my brain in good clean healthy knowledge than the negative political crap elsewhere.
I enjoy your style of videos. Funny wit with some clever editing, along with some really detailed explanation of what your doing. Like the analogy of the camp fire with watching the shaper. Nice work on the tool holders.
Fun tip - if you don't need them blued in under an hour, there's a very easy and simple way to blue your parts that wears better than cold blue and is darker. Basically just thoroughly degrease your part, immerse it in distilled or very clean water (our tap water is runoff mountain water) and boil it. Let it cool and it will form a fine rust. Boil the part again to convert to black iron oxide, card it with OOOO steel wool or denim and repeat until you're happy. Overnight gives very fast results with just slightly matte finish, less time gives finer results, but requires more repetitions. It's that easy... Thanks again for the great videos!
Forgot to mention - this method is really sensitive to oils/grease as there's nothing really encouraging the rusting other than heating. Not really unusual for bluing, it's just a bit more finicky initially. Oddly enough I've never seen anyone else do it....
I think I've seen a method similar or the same, don't know for sure, but it was a video by Walter Sorrels here on youtube. He used it to put a black finish on a sword component.
Love your channel Tony. Specially your sense of humour. And love your editing. Must take a great deal of your time. To make these video's. I nearly choked on a ice lolly when I see you was cutting the parts with that knife. Just brilliant. You do make me laugh.
Say Tony we miss you and hope you and your family are well. I have been watching reruns and learning everyday looking forward to seeing you back on. I'm sure your father in-law is watching you from above and waiting as we all are. I know there's nothing I can do but if you need anything at all please let me know
Watching this with my wife (God bless her) I just said out loud "that's s good idea tony" in reference to your angled holder for HSS to provide automatic relief. Just wanted you to know. Keep up the good work!
I love the fact that TOT isn't selling us bunch of stuff or installing a bunch of adds so others can sell us stuff. I think TOT enjoys this as much as we do.
Excellent video! I enjoy watching everything on your channel. In my experience, cold blueing works much better when you heat up the part briefly with a heat gun or torch to about 150 degrees F and then apply some blueing fallowed by going over it with some 0000 steel wool and repeating the process from the beginning a few times until you are satisfied with the color. This process has given me a darker blue.
Wow! As a dedicated viewer of all your new videos (2019), it’s amazing how far you’ve come in a few years in your video making. You have always been a wealth of information, but the specific personality and u inquest way of adding in humor in your most recent videos are what really add the enjoyment of your content. Not saying your older videos aren’t entertaining.
fantastic job, I'm learning on a grizzly bench top lathe and I love it. the math curve takes me way back. I remember saying I'll never need this much math in my life, well ya you do. lmbo. thank you got an excellent episode.
One of my first projects in high school machine shop was a vee block and matching clamp.I used a lathe,mill, shaper and surface grinder. It was cool watching the shaper cut some long chips.
@This Old Tony I love your toolception. Meaning, you make tools to make the tools that make your tools better, so that they can make more tools to make the toolmaking better for future toolmaking tools. :D I'm totally addicted to your vids.
Great video Tony! I watched while having morning coffee and damn near blew coffee on my screen when you used the knife to cut the block into segments. Really good stuff. Liked the "dunk" of the tool on the post at the end! Thanks! Fred
I can’t thank you enough for all the entertainment you have provided throughout this last 12 months. Please accept my very best wishes for Christmas and the New Year and please keep up the good work. My most favourite RUclips channel.
Man I've been watching your videos nonstop every chance that I get. Working with metal and fabricating and stuff is super interesting to me, but I don't have access nor the funds to get into that world yet. So for now, I'm living vicariously through your videos. Thanks!
Way back machine here. Fourty some years. My dad, when I was telling him about a day on the mill and the lathe, he asked me if I ran a shaper. He couldn't identify with what a mill was, but did know about shapers. I on the other hand didn't have any idea what a shaper even was! Now, even though I've never run one, I dare say I could figure it out. HSS tooling to the tune of 40 fpm, plus or minus. Up to .005 doc maybe. That is a sweet little machine you have there. Never worked in a shop that had one.
A little tip on the bluing. Glass bead sand blast, raw rubbing alcohol for decreasing, apply 100% cold blue with a clean cloth, use a fine steel wool to rub it in, adding more blue as needed for color, and finally add a combination of motor oil, 3n1,and transmission fluid to stop the bluing. Wipe clean. I've done this with various types of firearms, and the effect is excellent. I prefer hot bluing, or rust bluing, but for tooling, this is the easiest and best at corrosion resistance, while still looking excellent.
Hi Tony great video I remember when owning a shotgun i touched up the blue with philips gun blue but it came in a small jar looked like petroleum jelly but was pale blue i just rubbed it on with a small piece of cloth left it for about 30 minutes wiped it off and oiled it up it was then a much darker blue a light smear of the stuff did the job
Tony I've been binging on your videos for the last 48 hours... fantastic work! Such good information, lovely wit and humour, and very satisfying! You should set up a Patreon - I'm sure all of us subscribers would love to help you out with a little compensation for your work. All the best.
I got some of that cold blue stuff too, because of this video. I just used it straight out of the bottle, and the result was perfect :) I used a thin painters brush to poke the parts, don't stroke over them, just poke at the parts where the blue isn't reacting properly.
Someone may have already left this suggestion as I didn't read all of the comments. But the next time you blue something, heat your parts up first. I heat all parts that I blue to 150F. It helps give an even (non-splotchy) darker finish. I've cold blued entire rifle barrels and they come out beautiful. Great video! I'll have to try to make some of these for my QC holder my my lathe, thanks.
Interesting ! Also made some tool post holders for my little Saupe lathe recently. Used Klever Schnellbrünierung- quick bluing. That came out pitch black like from factory... And square head screws to avoid to have always chips in the allen screws of cause...
I think it is a very interesting video because when I was young I worked with these machines and it reminds me of those times I am seeing that you have experience in machining parts and this is very nice to watch on youtube I am art to see people making videos without having knowledge of machines. My congratulations on the video Angel from Spain
Nice project. You, Stefan. Tom, and a few others have me thinking I want shaper. Precision Brand Tool Black works really well. The trick is to buff with steel wool between applications before oiling. It evens out the finish and helps to expose untreated areas which gives a darker finish.
Shapers still have a place in the home shop. Besides cutting key-ways and dovetails I use mine for cleaning up and squaring torch-cut steel plate. Carbide milling inserts get chipped on such a job. ( Cha-ching $) A single point high-speed tool is easily and quickly re-sharpened. And yes, there is a certain Zen-like quality in operating one.
you are without a doubt fan freakin tastic!!! I love the cutting metal with a knife, and the way you just threw the tool holder on, and I betcha you did that on the first try?!!! LOL thanks Tony mike
its a gewindebohrfutter made in eastern germany. made latest 1990 but probably earlier. VEB stands for "Volkseigener Betrieb", something like "peoples owned factory".
20:08 Woah ! A WMW ! That tapping head was imported from East Germany, and as the GDR, alongside all of the state owned companies was disbanded in 1990, that certainly old stock. Great stuff tho, most of my workshop, including my lathe was made by WMW.
Your videos rock!!! I get the best results with cold blue when I slightly heat the parts, it cooks any moisture out of the surface, and I get a more even blue. thanks for sharing!!
olive oil and a baking oven looks great, and both a file and a chisel are great tools. As apprentices we were not allowed to use any machines to make complicated tools (this is some time ago). Today that is of course a waste of time with all the complicated machinery the kids have to learn. And we hated it B-) . What I remember most was a to make an anvil with a chisel.
when applying cold blue, try to brush it while inside the liquid... it works 100% better and you get black results in 3 minutes. if you just leave it inside, the oxidation is not uniform.
I enjoy so much to see a shaper...we must not forget that they have been used to build the first CNC machines... P.-S. You said that Mr Pete has made 6000 videos? My God, last time i counted them he had only 4000 ....I hope his others 2000 are as good as his 4000 first.....
Hi tony, another winner...I use olD engine oil, and heat up the part, if this is done several times, leaves a really nice black finish.obviously the part has to be super clean to start. But I bet you knew this anyway..keep up the good work!! Kind regards keith
Thank you , You're videos are so easy to watch, I always loved working on the Shaper in the Shop we had a 18 " Butler Super Shaper . It could remove a lot of metal. :)
Seriously now, I've started digging into the old videos, but this isn't gonna last long. You need to post something man. I know it's vacation season and all but we need our dose :)
Cant beat blueing with heat, which is fine on a watch or clock screw, :-) that blueing liquid looked great! I've spent many hours watching your videos when I should have been doing something else, but there is always tomorrow!
In case you were wondering, the label on the box for the tapping head said "VEB August-Bebel-Werk", so from a public owned company (combine, actually) in old East Germany, pre 1990.
Hey big tony i worked last 20 years restoration field we use blue from Eastwood among that philips one and others to tips we clean the parts with brake cleaner the oil it's going to break down that bluing faster you're not gonna have a long shelf life so clean your parts before your blue brake cleaner tens to work really good. Another hack is try this take a ziploc bag put stuff in put your part in And swashin around way how you're brushing it on you don't get even coat ziploc bag kind of how you dunk those buckets then use you have to wipe down the bucket every time u use it is a residue that builds up on the side will oxidize once again wasting on the shelf life. Final step i yse "kroil" penetrate oil the oil that creeps. Brake clean wipe blue rinse off or wipe then in a separate container oil if u oil in ur blueing container n u pour bluein bottle the oil is breaking the blue down. Liver of sulfur is another to try its like black oxideish.
Good one! Have to try that cold-gun-blue stuff, I tried the Ballistol stuff and it gives a pretty ugly, dirty look, not that nice gunmetal look... The Gewindeschneidfutter is a nice piece, made in GDR. Translation for it is btw "Spinn-em-a-thing".
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+Stefan Gotteswinter Ballistol works very well for conservation, not for surface finishing. It was developed to clean, lubricate and conserve the guns of the Second German Empire (1871-1918). for proper blueing take some hints here: www.galvaswiss.ch/korropedia/320%20Bruenieren.pdf given the relatively low price of the treatment mentioned in that document it might even be worth it, to send parts to be blued.
+Stefan Gotteswinter Never tried Ballistol, but these cold blues seem like a crap shoot. Cold blue is like a box of chocolates... except the blue part. Maybe. Wish I would've picked up a Spinnemathing sooner! Thanks Stefan.
Great stuff, perfectly edited for my short attension span. And i love to see an american (i persume) who does not get a hard-on filming himself half the time. Hope there is more to come soon!
You should try the hot bluing method. There are a lot of videos on youtube on it, and I have tried it myself and as soon as you get around the fact that you have a mixture og potassium nitrate and lye heated up to around 155 degrees C, it is actually quite easy to work with. I used it to restore some old adjustable spanners, some measuring tools and a few gunparts, and it leaves a really nice black color. Sandblast or beadblast the surface for a nice dull black, or polish away for a nice shiny black. And it is way more durable than the cold bluing is. And the surface soaks up a little bit of oil, for corrosion resistance. Just dont get it on you skin, and keep the kid far far away from it! You will know quite quickly if any of it splashes on your skin, belive me...
I think the reason the shaper is so interesting is that it's so slow. Most cutting machines in a shop are fairly fast, seeing it happen in a way that you can watch it happen is interesting.
I tried cold bluing steel parts, but didn't like the results and the time it took, so I tried the cold black oxide kit from Caswell, and LOVE IT! Parts are blacker than the Ace of Spades in under a minute, and the kit came with two quarts of penetrating oil sealer. I bought the kit 6 years ago, and it still works great, and I've used up only one quart of the sealer. Not trying to plug Caswell, but black oxide for tooling and non-gun parts is the way to go, imho.
Something that may have affected your blueing is your steel wool. Most steel wool has been oiled to help it from rusting away to nothing. Rinsing it with acetone prior to use and re-oiling with WD-40 works well. As a side note Singer Sewing machine oil was some of the highest grade and most refined oil made before synthetics. So many old Singer machines still show almost no signs of wear or excess clearance after seeing generations of work.
Great video!!! Loved it all. Your camera work is awesome. Reading the comments is fun too! Great find on that "Go for it Tony" accessory! Glad you overcame the pucker factor. ;) Daniel
I have gallons of Gun metal Green - 2 gallons clean and 2 used once. Heat in pot over camp stove and let the parts simmer. It is a form of rust. Just not pure O rust.
I’m working my way through your videos a second time, and I’m just floored by your cinematography combined with your technical ability. Where do you get the drive to raise kids, do this kind of work, AND run a youtube channel with well shot, well edited, quality content? By the end of the work day, I’m pretty well dead when it comes to working on projects. What do you do when you’re feeling unmotivated? Thanks for all the amazing content.
I have used oil blacking for tooling. It's the same effect as when you have stainless steel cooking pots that get blacked up from the veg oil baking on and will give you a rust free black finish, actually a very dark brown, that lasts for years.....oil used was motor oil. Heating temperatures are only as high as 250 deg C......some of my lathe tools were blacked back in the 70's.
i gotta agree with the above comment- Im new to machining but have a background in photography/video- and your post-editing is really nice! Love the music choices... so yea- super informative and really fun to watch!
Birchwood Casey makes a darn good cold blue. Turns prepped steel very black. I prefer the blueing on Colt's guns from the 40s & 50s. A beautiful steel-azure. Of course, daddy gov said, NO! no more of that!! Thanks, another entertaining video.
stubled upon this older Video and just wanted to bring some Light in the dark with the tapping head. As commented before it is from a machine factory (WMW - Werkzeug Maschinen Werke which translates to tool machine factory) from East Germany (the former GDR) It was one of the few and to my knowledge the biggest machine Factory there back in the days. They still exist today and besides building machines to your specifications, they offer cnc conversion kits for their older machines. (still for big bucks - so no hobby type affordable)
The writing on the side "Gewindebohrfutter" would most likely translate to "tapping head chuck"
Love your Viedeos! I know you're going through a dark time now, but can't wait to have you back!
I watch your videos instead of mindless TV... Much more entertaining and I learn tons of stuff. Thank you!
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TV is garbage. 160 channels of nothing, and then they repeat it. (I have no idea how many channels; it could be 1600). An endless loop of garbage and brain rotting propaganda. Haven't had TV for over a decade.
I do that too, TV is boring crap.
Hey younger old Tony, I just stopped by from the future to re-watch some of your classics.
Hi
your threading tool comes from the former GDR (German Democratic Republic), i.e. from East Germany and has been made by VEB August-Bebel Werk.
"VEB" is "Volkseigener Betrieb", which translates into "Publicly Owned Operation".
As many other factories in the GDR this operation was named after a Marxist/Socialist politician, in this case August Bebel.
Tools from East Germany tended to be of quite good quality.
Kind regards
Harald
i just wondered how a east german tool made its way across the atlantic. considering the cold war and everything.
+Tino J - in case you missed the news, the Berlin Wall was torn down almost 30 years ago. We now also have boats and planes that cross the Atlantic a few times every day. Seems like plenty of time for some items from the former GDR to have made their way over to the 'free world'.
A lot of East European and Russian tools went to the West, and the quality wasn't as bad as you might think - I had a Russian bench grinder in my shop, I can't tell you which brand because it was written in cyrillic, but it worked like a charm for many years.
Tino J This Old Tony lives across the Atlantic? I thought he lived somewhere in Europe.
Just because its called east germany doesn´t mean its east europe.
I absolutely love your videos and your sense of humor! Out of all the youtube machinists, I find your videos to be the most pleasant to watch. I know there are many great machinists out there but their videos concentrate just on the machining part. In my opinion, your videos have the perfect balance between entertainment and education/machining tips. I like to watch a couple of your videos every night before I go to bed... Please keep up with the great work and continue making videos!
Thank you George!
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InnerBushman What did I say?
GEORGE ZARIFIS, you said:
"I absolutely love your videos and your sense of humor! Out of all the
youtube machinists, I find your videos to be the most pleasant to watch.
I know there are many great machinists out there but their videos
concentrate just on the machining part. In my opinion, your videos have
the perfect balance between entertainment and education/machining tips. I
like to watch a couple of your videos every night before I go to bed...
Please keep up with the great work and continue making videos!"
I thought it was obvious. LOL
InnerBushman Oh, I see. Didn't realise I said that...
Can't beat starting the day with a long TOT and short AvE video. Tony has by far the best metal parting techniques. I'd watch an entire video just on that. A+ for distance mounting too, that was an excellent toss.
I wish these videos were movie length. Then I could cancel my Netflix subscription.
Having made a few vids and lived with professional videographers, I can conceive of the edge of how much time he puts into moving lighting and cameras, taking shots, checking, filming again, editing.... If you think Tony is patient with a time consuming machining process, you don't know the fifth of it.
I did, cancel my NetFlix subscription. When I watch anything now, it's youtube machining videos, as I try to get a small home shop set up.
I also canceled my NetFlix because they became too political. I also have not turned my TV on in almost 2 years now. Its You Tube all the way for me. TOT is not just entertaining but very informative. I would much rather soak my brain in good clean healthy knowledge than the negative political crap elsewhere.
YES!!
Not sure my missus would go with that option, but good thinking!
The tapping head does not reverse because it is from the GDR. Always forward, never backwards!
Yesterday we stood on the cliffs edge, today we are a step ahead?
"Immer vorvärts!"...😁
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"Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!"
@@dinolino3313 Immer bereit!
Forwards, not backwards.
Sideways, not forwards.
And allways twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
I enjoy your style of videos. Funny wit with some clever editing, along with some really detailed explanation of what your doing. Like the analogy of the camp fire with watching the shaper. Nice work on the tool holders.
+🔥Ramsey Customs - turbocobra Thanks Ramsey!
That shaper is mesmerizing...I fell asleep to it and when I woke up the cat had eaten my mouse...
I love watching your videos. Takes me back fifty years and more. I do love watching the shaper, it's such a versatile piece of gear..
Fun tip - if you don't need them blued in under an hour, there's a very easy and simple way to blue your parts that wears better than cold blue and is darker. Basically just thoroughly degrease your part, immerse it in distilled or very clean water (our tap water is runoff mountain water) and boil it. Let it cool and it will form a fine rust. Boil the part again to convert to black iron oxide, card it with OOOO steel wool or denim and repeat until you're happy. Overnight gives very fast results with just slightly matte finish, less time gives finer results, but requires more repetitions. It's that easy...
Thanks again for the great videos!
Thanks HW!
Forgot to mention - this method is really sensitive to oils/grease as there's nothing really encouraging the rusting other than heating. Not really unusual for bluing, it's just a bit more finicky initially. Oddly enough I've never seen anyone else do it....
I think I've seen a method similar or the same, don't know for sure, but it was a video by Walter Sorrels here on youtube. He used it to put a black finish on a sword component.
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Always fun to watch some older TOT before a milling machine was the solution to taking stock square and cutting interesting shapes. What a treat!
The packaging was german and from my (small) hometown! Very nice
Love your channel Tony. Specially your sense of humour. And love your editing. Must take a great deal of your time. To make these video's. I nearly choked on a ice lolly when I see you was cutting the parts with that knife. Just brilliant. You do make me laugh.
Say Tony we miss you and hope you and your family are well.
I have been watching reruns and learning everyday looking forward to seeing you back on.
I'm sure your father in-law is watching you from above and waiting as we all are.
I know there's nothing I can do but if you need anything at all please let me know
Watching this with my wife (God bless her) I just said out loud "that's s good idea tony" in reference to your angled holder for HSS to provide automatic relief. Just wanted you to know. Keep up the good work!
+Morgan Oliff Good to have you and the wife watching!
Love the light-hearted nature of your videos, great sense of humor, very enjoyable. One of my favorite channels, great job!
+bensbenz Thanks for watching Benbenz.. also my favorite channel. :)
I love the fact that TOT isn't selling us bunch of stuff or installing a bunch of adds so others can sell us stuff. I think TOT enjoys this as much as we do.
I've said it before, but your editing technique is very outstanding!
BS in The Shop and it’s even better now!
It's interesting how you set up and used your shaper. You have encouraged me to clean up and start using mine, when the weather permits.
Excellent video! I enjoy watching everything on your channel.
In my experience, cold blueing works much better when you heat up the part briefly with a heat gun or torch to about 150 degrees F and then apply some blueing fallowed by going over it with some 0000 steel wool and repeating the process from the beginning a few times until you are satisfied with the color. This process has given me a darker blue.
thanks, I'll be sure to try that!
I love the circular nature of your channel... Making tools to help make tools to make tools to make tools...
Wow! As a dedicated viewer of all your new videos (2019), it’s amazing how far you’ve come in a few years in your video making. You have always been a wealth of information, but the specific personality and u inquest way of adding in humor in your most recent videos are what really add the enjoyment of your content. Not saying your older videos aren’t entertaining.
fantastic job, I'm learning on a grizzly bench top lathe and I love it. the math curve takes me way back. I remember saying I'll never need this much math in my life, well ya you do. lmbo. thank you got an excellent episode.
One of my first projects in high school machine shop was a vee block and matching clamp.I used a lathe,mill, shaper and surface grinder. It was cool watching the shaper cut some long chips.
it's really relaxing...watching someone else work
@This Old Tony I love your toolception. Meaning, you make tools to make the tools that make your tools better, so that they can make more tools to make the toolmaking better for future toolmaking tools. :D I'm totally addicted to your vids.
Knife cut let out a huge gasp and a chuckle. Absolutely love your videos.
I love the surface finish the shaper creates. With an utter lack of more expressive words, awesome video as always!
Tony thanks for the inspiration and demonstrating good solid equipment and tool ideas
Absolutely love the little bits of humor you add.
Great video Tony! I watched while having morning coffee and damn near blew coffee on my screen when you used the knife to cut the block into segments. Really good stuff. Liked the "dunk" of the tool on the post at the end! Thanks! Fred
+Fred Miller Thanks Fred -- always good to have you.
Very nice pieces. Man, that cut-off knife is cool.
Almost as cool as Ichiban Moto's diamond shears.
I can’t thank you enough for all the entertainment you have provided throughout this last 12 months. Please accept my very best wishes for Christmas and the New Year and please keep up the good work. My most favourite RUclips channel.
I always get this tingling sensation when I see your shaper in action. Especially when the piece gets hot and lets off a puff of smoke each cut.
Man I've been watching your videos nonstop every chance that I get. Working with metal and fabricating and stuff is super interesting to me, but I don't have access nor the funds to get into that world yet. So for now, I'm living vicariously through your videos. Thanks!
Way back machine here. Fourty some years. My dad, when I was telling him about a day on the mill and the lathe, he asked me if I ran a shaper. He couldn't identify with what a mill was, but did know about shapers. I on the other hand didn't have any idea what a shaper even was! Now, even though I've never run one, I dare say I could figure it out. HSS tooling to the tune of 40 fpm, plus or minus. Up to .005 doc maybe. That is a sweet little machine you have there. Never worked in a shop that had one.
Haven't used a shaper since I was an apprentice, cutting dovetails with it is inspirational!!
A little tip on the bluing. Glass bead sand blast, raw rubbing alcohol for decreasing, apply 100% cold blue with a clean cloth, use a fine steel wool to rub it in, adding more blue as needed for color, and finally add a combination of motor oil, 3n1,and transmission fluid to stop the bluing. Wipe clean.
I've done this with various types of firearms, and the effect is excellent. I prefer hot bluing, or rust bluing, but for tooling, this is the easiest and best at corrosion resistance, while still looking excellent.
Great video Tony. Nice flow and lots of humor. Glad to see the overarm material already.
+ROBRENZ Thanks Robrenz, and thanks for watching!
Hi Tony great video I remember when owning a shotgun i touched up the blue with philips gun blue but it came in a small jar looked like petroleum jelly but was pale blue i just rubbed it on with a small piece of cloth left it for about 30 minutes wiped it off and oiled it up it was then a much darker blue a light smear of the stuff did the job
Tony I've been binging on your videos for the last 48 hours... fantastic work! Such good information, lovely wit and humour, and very satisfying! You should set up a Patreon - I'm sure all of us subscribers would love to help you out with a little compensation for your work. All the best.
I got some of that cold blue stuff too, because of this video. I just used it straight out of the bottle, and the result was perfect :) I used a thin painters brush to poke the parts, don't stroke over them, just poke at the parts where the blue isn't reacting properly.
Someone may have already left this suggestion as I didn't read all of the comments. But the next time you blue something, heat your parts up first. I heat all parts that I blue to 150F. It helps give an even (non-splotchy) darker finish. I've cold blued entire rifle barrels and they come out beautiful. Great video! I'll have to try to make some of these for my QC holder my my lathe, thanks.
Interesting ! Also made some tool post holders for my little Saupe lathe recently. Used Klever Schnellbrünierung- quick bluing. That came out pitch black like from factory... And square head screws to avoid to have always chips in the allen screws of cause...
Agree, love your videos, humor, skill, editing, very professional a joy to watch, gives me a fix without having to go to my shop
I think it is a very interesting video because when I was young I worked with these machines and it reminds me of those times I am seeing that you have experience in machining parts and this is very nice to watch on youtube I am art to see people making videos without having knowledge of machines. My congratulations on the video Angel from Spain
I suddenly have a strong urge to do some machining on a shaper. That machine just has so much soul.
Nice project. You, Stefan. Tom, and a few others have me thinking I want shaper. Precision Brand Tool Black works really well. The trick is to buff with steel wool between applications before oiling. It evens out the finish and helps to expose untreated areas which gives a darker finish.
Thanks Robert, I'll have to look into that.
Shapers still have a place in the home shop.
Besides cutting key-ways and dovetails I use mine for cleaning up and squaring torch-cut steel plate.
Carbide milling inserts get chipped on such a job. ( Cha-ching $)
A single point high-speed tool is easily and quickly re-sharpened.
And yes, there is a certain Zen-like quality in operating one.
You are the best! So smart, so concise, so useful, not to mention clever and funny.
I want that knife of yours so that I can sell off my 4" bandsaw to buy more stuff!!!
you are without a doubt fan freakin tastic!!! I love the cutting metal with a knife, and the way you just threw the tool holder on, and I betcha you did that on the first try?!!! LOL thanks Tony mike
I love your videos, I came across your stuff while looking for milling machines. I have now subscribed to your channel.
Wow a shaper! havent seen or used one since 1975, great to see .
I’m rewatching this again. This was my first time seeing a shaper work. Then I found Abom79’s shaper videos. Tot’s shaper is so small now
I kinda miss ToT’s shaper
I love how You threw the tool holder onto the slot in the tool post at the end!
its a gewindebohrfutter made in eastern germany. made latest 1990 but probably earlier. VEB stands for
"Volkseigener Betrieb",
something like "peoples owned factory".
Tony,Your videos are informative and fun to watch. Thank You, Joe
+Joe Di Gesare My pleasure, thanks for watching Joe!
Birchwood casey has a new product called Super blue. I bought some but haven't tried it yet.
You are an amazing man my brother!!!
20:08 Woah ! A WMW ! That tapping head was imported from East Germany, and as the GDR, alongside all of the state owned companies was disbanded in 1990, that certainly old stock. Great stuff tho, most of my workshop, including my lathe was made by WMW.
Your videos rock!!! I get the best results with cold blue when I slightly heat the parts, it cooks any moisture out of the surface, and I get a more even blue. thanks for sharing!!
olive oil and a baking oven looks great, and both a file and a chisel are great tools. As apprentices we were not allowed to use any machines to make complicated tools (this is some time ago). Today that is of course a waste of time with all the complicated machinery the kids have to learn. And we hated it B-) . What I remember most was a to make an anvil with a chisel.
when applying cold blue, try to brush it while inside the liquid... it works 100% better and you get black results in 3 minutes. if you just leave it inside, the oxidation is not uniform.
I enjoy so much to see a shaper...we must not forget that they have been used to build the first CNC machines...
P.-S. You said that Mr Pete has made 6000 videos? My God, last time i counted them he had only 4000 ....I hope his others 2000 are as good as his 4000 first.....
I was spitballing but those numbers sound about right ;) Thanks for watching!
Spectacular ! Really enjoying your videos Tony - thanks !
You should consider a career in video production. You're well spoken and have a great sense of humor. And appear to be an excellent machinist.
Hi tony, another winner...I use olD engine oil, and heat up the part, if this is done several times, leaves a really nice black finish.obviously the part has to be super clean to start. But I bet you knew this anyway..keep up the good work!! Kind regards keith
Yes that's how I used to do it but this way is less messy and, more importantly, doesn't stink so bad. :)
Awesome video Them holders come out beautiful Great job
+one4stevo Thank you.
Thank you , You're videos are so easy to watch, I always loved working on the Shaper in the Shop we had a 18 " Butler Super Shaper . It could remove a lot of metal. :)
Seriously now, I've started digging into the old videos, but this isn't gonna last long. You need to post something man. I know it's vacation season and all but we need our dose :)
Thanks Tony! you and a lot of others have motivated me to start make my own tools and videos!
This is one of the very few channels that you can click a video and hit the like button before watching anything. :D
Thanks Tjunky!
I love everything about this video. Also your vise on the mill is awesome.
great video. good educational content, excellent photography and subtle humor.
Cant beat blueing with heat, which is fine on a watch or clock screw, :-) that blueing liquid looked great! I've spent many hours watching your videos when I should have been doing something else, but there is always tomorrow!
In case you were wondering, the label on the box for the tapping head said "VEB August-Bebel-Werk", so from a public owned company (combine, actually) in old East Germany, pre 1990.
22:40 that chamfer put a smile on my face, really makes them shine.
Hey big tony i worked last 20 years restoration field we use blue from Eastwood among that philips one and others to tips we clean the parts with brake cleaner the oil it's going to break down that bluing faster you're not gonna have a long shelf life so clean your parts before your blue brake cleaner tens to work really good. Another hack is try this take a ziploc bag put stuff in put your part in And swashin around way how you're brushing it on you don't get even coat ziploc bag kind of how you dunk those buckets then use you have to wipe down the bucket every time u use it is a residue that builds up on the side will oxidize once again wasting on the shelf life. Final step i yse "kroil" penetrate oil the oil that creeps. Brake clean wipe blue rinse off or wipe then in a separate container oil if u oil in ur blueing container n u pour bluein bottle the oil is breaking the blue down. Liver of sulfur is another to try its like black oxideish.
Good one! Have to try that cold-gun-blue stuff, I tried the Ballistol stuff and it gives a pretty ugly, dirty look, not that nice gunmetal look...
The Gewindeschneidfutter is a nice piece, made in GDR. Translation for it is btw "Spinn-em-a-thing".
+Stefan Gotteswinter Ballistol works very well for conservation, not for surface finishing. It was developed to clean, lubricate and conserve the guns of the Second German Empire (1871-1918).
for proper blueing take some hints here: www.galvaswiss.ch/korropedia/320%20Bruenieren.pdf
given the relatively low price of the treatment mentioned in that document it might even be worth it, to send parts to be blued.
+Stefan Gotteswinter Never tried Ballistol, but these cold blues seem like a crap shoot. Cold blue is like a box of chocolates... except the blue part. Maybe. Wish I would've picked up a Spinnemathing sooner! Thanks Stefan.
Great stuff, perfectly edited for my short attension span. And i love to see an american (i persume) who does not get a hard-on filming himself half the time. Hope there is more to come soon!
I have a face for radio. :) Thanks for watching Andreas!
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That's just BRILLIANT work Tony, keep it up ! Best machining videos on RUclips so far, and great editing !
Thank yoU!
You should try the hot bluing method. There are a lot of videos on youtube on it, and I have tried it myself and as soon as you get around the fact that you have a mixture og potassium nitrate and lye heated up to around 155 degrees C, it is actually quite easy to work with. I used it to restore some old adjustable spanners, some measuring tools and a few gunparts, and it leaves a really nice black color.
Sandblast or beadblast the surface for a nice dull black, or polish away for a nice shiny black. And it is way more durable than the cold bluing is. And the surface soaks up a little bit of oil, for corrosion resistance.
Just dont get it on you skin, and keep the kid far far away from it! You will know quite quickly if any of it splashes on your skin, belive me...
That shaper is an awesome machine.
Spectacular editing - just a pleasure to watch!
I think the reason the shaper is so interesting is that it's so slow. Most cutting machines in a shop are fairly fast, seeing it happen in a way that you can watch it happen is interesting.
I tried cold bluing steel parts, but didn't like the results and the time it took, so I tried the cold black oxide kit from Caswell, and LOVE IT! Parts are blacker than the Ace of Spades in under a minute, and the kit came with two quarts of penetrating oil sealer. I bought the kit 6 years ago, and it still works great, and I've used up only one quart of the sealer. Not trying to plug Caswell, but black oxide for tooling and non-gun parts is the way to go, imho.
Absolutely correct in my experience.
Something that may have affected your blueing is your steel wool. Most steel wool has been oiled to help it from rusting away to nothing. Rinsing it with acetone prior to use and re-oiling with WD-40 works well. As a side note Singer Sewing machine oil was some of the highest grade and most refined oil made before synthetics. So many old Singer machines still show almost no signs of wear or excess clearance after seeing generations of work.
Great video!!! Loved it all. Your camera work is awesome. Reading the comments is fun too! Great find on that "Go for it Tony" accessory! Glad you overcame the pucker factor. ;)
Daniel
+AtelierDBurgoyne Thanks for watching, Daniel!
I have gallons of Gun metal Green - 2 gallons clean and 2 used once. Heat in pot over camp stove and let the parts simmer. It is a form of rust. Just not pure O rust.
I’m working my way through your videos a second time, and I’m just floored by your cinematography combined with your technical ability. Where do you get the drive to raise kids, do this kind of work, AND run a youtube channel with well shot, well edited, quality content?
By the end of the work day, I’m pretty well dead when it comes to working on projects. What do you do when you’re feeling unmotivated?
Thanks for all the amazing content.
Use Birchwood Casey's cold blue. Stuffs expensive....but it instantly turns your parts straight black
just stumbled across your vids. very interested in machining but I have no experience. you are awesome! thanks for the vids
I have used oil blacking for tooling. It's the same effect as when you have stainless steel cooking pots that get blacked up from the veg oil baking on and will give you a rust free black finish, actually a very dark brown, that lasts for years.....oil used was motor oil. Heating temperatures are only as high as 250 deg C......some of my lathe tools were blacked back in the 70's.
Great videos! Love the video style makes something that's somewhat boring fun to watch thank you.
+James Woody Thanks James!
your videos are amazing
Thanks!
i gotta agree with the above comment- Im new to machining but have a background in photography/video- and your post-editing is really nice! Love the music choices... so yea- super informative and really fun to watch!
Cool video as always. Loved the shaper-cam.
Only 5 years ago, and you sound like a 20 year old. xD Adorable!
Great work. Thanks for the images in slow/fast motion. I enjoyed it alot.
Birchwood Casey makes a darn good cold blue. Turns prepped steel very black. I prefer the blueing on Colt's guns from the 40s & 50s. A beautiful steel-azure. Of course, daddy gov said, NO! no more of that!!
Thanks, another entertaining video.