Coaches? Not one mention besides Tochett. Expectations. Friction. Personality. Competition. Winning. Psychological motivation. 1000% Speculation. I know something I don’t have to guess about. And unless you’ve been in the locker room with the guys in the last five years that’s all it is- guessing. Hive mind and building the actual chemistry? Look up Dr. Joe Dispenza. One thing you might consider is how anger and other emotions (+/-) manifest on a team. Read some sports psychology or psychology books/articles/studies and consider the Vancouver fishbowl, the current climate of change and I think it might put you a little closer to dispersing to some of the Tochett toxicity, and everyone who has anything with the locker room and anything else the team is exposed to. Until a team is a unit it’s very tough to get anything done as a team on a consistent basis. Take it from the silliest of moments to the most serious. Ready for watching the game? It’s funny to me when fans who aren’t paid by any organization and are strictly fans say “we” in the vernacular of a team. I don’t know one person in 2024 who’s had a smooth transition from 2023. Excuse the length of my response. However consider the conditions when you judge. At its simplest form life is emotions, choices and hormones. Actions over words. But words are motivations or they can make things worse. What do you want? It’s why I mention Dr Joe Dispenza’s studies. There thousands with the same attitude. Do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? I’ve synthesized it all down to five letters. Yes/No? Do it. Don’t guess. Own it. Change your life, lead by example. Easier said than done, obviously. All the best to you, family and friends!
The thing about being a leader is you need to have multiple styles to suit the different personalities. If Miller is yelling at Petterson expecting to get results, and he’s not, he should try a different tactic instead of trying the same thing over and over with the same poor results.
@@J-jizzy_ Miller isn't a leader. He is despised by his former teammates. NY was thriled to get rid of him. He is toxic and its well known he has anger issues that predated Vancouver. He 7th in team points. We dont need Miller he has had his "season" and now its ride the contract into retirement while he shits all over another team. We also need a stable coach that knows what he's doing. Horvat was the only guy that put Miller in his place and it showed. After he left Miller took over the room and the guys that were doing well like Pety and Kuz fell off and Hughes is still to young to take on a vet like Miller. This team is dead until they trade Miller or fire the coach and bring in someone that will nueter Miller.
@@J-jizzy_ I’m not a Vancouver fan nor do I follow the team, but just from what was in the video, having played hockey pretty much my entire life and from my own professional experience, it will be hard for Hughes, at 25, to take on someone like Miller who is 31 and appears to have a very aggressive personality. A personality like Millers is only put in its place by someone willing to put them in their place and have teeth behind whatever consequences are behind it. I don’t see someone like Miller, again from what I have seen and heard, listening to Hughes unless he wants to and respects the position. If he doesn’t, and the coach and team won’t apply consequences, he will run amok. What I suspect happens to Petterson, is if Miller gets in his face, then Petterson gets in his own head and his play suffers. I am obviously no where near the skill of Petterson, but I have always been much the same. People getting on my case after I make a mistake only makes me perform worse. If Petterson is a perfectionist, getting on him to play better doesn’t work and will only make him perform worse.
It's a personality thing..Miller is just a snap show..he's been doing this since elementary school. I'm the same way..he think Peterson is soft as butter and it pains him.
I think I’ve figured it out, make Petey and JT attend couples counselling with a sports psychologist. They need to learn to communicate with each other to rekindle their love.
Petterson’s IQ is why he should be running the power play . For years it’s frustrated me seeing Petey open while Miller over handles the puck just to give it away up the middle. Over and over again. Then pouts after a shorty is scored as if it wasn’t his fault. A guy that commits the same mental gaffes over and over has no right yelling at of his teammates.
I think in MacKinnon's case, he is a natural leader who can motivate people by his intensity and is a good guy who can be respected as well. I believe that JT comes off more as an arrogant jerk and isn't nearly as respected.
Mac is also a much higher caliber player than Miller. Hell even Mikko Rantanen is known as an intense guy but is consistently on top his game unlike Miller.
I agree and I think it's important to note that in many northern European countries, most citizens think of Americans as stereotypically arrogant and self-centered. I'm sure that Petterson has an inbuilt bias just like this and right from the get-go could not stand Miller.
Petty definitely needs to snipe more. That last game versus the Sharks where he scored twice in like 45 seconds was ridiculous and he definitely deserved the "let's go Petty" chant for those snipes
There is a thing here, but I highly doubt it is anywhere near as big as it actually is. Now, if they actually don't like each other and it is affecting performance? That is bad, use it as fuel to produce more, not produce less.
Miller is an arrogant hot-headed bully. Sure, he’s a beast and can dominate, but he’s one of those guys that wears on you. His pouting, stick smashing, and screaming gets tiresome.
Reminds me of the Ted Lasso moment where Roy Kent says that Jamie’s play has gone down because he’s been made to be a team player and pass more often, which in turn has made him average.
Absolutely phenomenal take. No notes. Thoughtful, well reasoned opinions with solid research. Additionally, unrelated to the first point, I'm convinced.
Totally agree. Petey should be a winger for a bit just to get that shoot first mentality back. His last game showed alot of promise to this though. Hoping his injury is a non-issue.
Petersson is Zetterberg’s long lost twin. Their play is identical Zetterberg, the Sedan Twins and Pettersson are all from the same exact area. Their playing style and skills are so similar
This is so overblown. Everyone has played a sport with someone you don't like. When you play, it goes away. If these two honestly can't get over not liking each other, then they aren't professional.
I do not think Miller wants to win more. I think Peterson is more analytic and tries to maintain control. Miller doesn't always score with his "just shoot" approach, and you've pointed out Peterson's tictactoe works. Keeping them separate is clearly the only way to get it done. Not like it's Mario and Jaromir, or Gretz and Kurri. tend to think Millers chirping is the harmful element.
Absolute disaster and embarrassment for the Canucks when two star players can’t grow up enough to play together on the power play. Either they figure it out or trade one. Complete shame and just another stab in the guts for Canuck fans. I will die before they win a cup I swear.
If you’ve played or worked on enough teams, you’d know that team chemistry and dynamics are a real thing, and it’s not necessarily about “growing up”. That’s not how human beings work.
I would argue Peterson playing “too unselfish” is not because of a “too hight of hockey IQ” but in reality would probably lower his overall hockey IQ. I think the best players in the world, like Mcdavid Mackinninon Drai Crosby etc… can understand when they should shoot the puck vs passing it.
They should be building a team around Pettersson so...get rid of Miller. Problem fixed. If not let Elias go to a club that can win the Cup. Hate to see Elias waste his best years.
The media in Vancouver will not stop until a trade of either Pete or Miller will take pace so they can have something to talk about and criticize the Nucks for for the next ten years. This is common in all professional sports here in Vancouver.
What credible sources might that be? Unless you're in the dressing room this is purely speculation and it annoys the hell out of me. They are human beings who may have confidence issues, problems at home or any number of issues humans have. I 'm pretty sure they will both come around as the season progresses. The way I see it , this teams biggest problem is other than Hughes, none of their defensemen seem to be able to make a pass out of their own end.
And then…you see the Crosby-Malkin-Letang trio. They will all be in the HOF. They would literally give blood for each other. You can see the level of love and respect they have for each other and the sport, AND their team. Yes, they are obviously “over-the-hill” in terms of their former abilities, but don’t tell them that.
I think they probably don't like each other, but I think the friction brought up here is why they don't like each other. Miller wants to win, and he's super up front about calling people out. He likely sees Pettersson holding back and is vocal about wanting to see more, but Pettersson is holding back to make sure to include the rest of the team. To me, Pettersson seems to want long term team success, he wants people around him to be the best they can be and he wants to help them get there. Miller seems like he wants short term team success, he wants to win now in any way possible and individual effort overcoming the weaker play of some teammates is what he sees as what's needed. Both are incredibly valid, one sees success now but with no long term plan and one sees a potential dynasty with less success in the immediate future. Ideally they'd learn to work together and find a compromise, but I also don't see Miller as the type to compromise and Pettersson feels like he'd be stubborn when he feels like the other person is being a dick. If they can't work it out, I'd rather the Canucks keep Pettersson, he just has way more upside in so many ways and I think he'd be better for the long term success of the team.
I know what happened with JT, my family friend works for the organization and has heard what happened, I’m not gonna say anything out of respect for Miller and this is something that doesn’t need to be out there but he is still recovering, it’s something he called out himself and was honest with the organization about and I’m glad he took the proper steps to getting help before it was too late
At the end of the day what matters most is who shows up in the playoffs and who dosnt , one of them did last season and one didnt , if they make a descicison to trade one of them that should be a huge deciding factor imo
This is where things could get a bit political. At least neither of them are captain, but this conflict can put some pressure on Hughes to resolve it. It was bad enough they traded away Horvat, who was a good leader.
As an oiler fan I think miller was more effective in the playoffs, Dakota Johnson, garland and of course silovs. Petey was a no show, apparently he was injured so I cut him some slack. Hope Vancouver figures this out and takes that next step.😊
I'm sitting here in Buffalo BEGGING that Vancouver trades either Miller or Petterson to us in a dumb bone headed panic trade. I know there's a 0% chance but the "rumours" are there. One can only hope right?
Nah Bro Biznasty leading the charge of dropping these bombshell reports that have been around for years between these two players...he's bringing sh!t up from years, he doesn't like the Canucks, stopped listening to spitting chicklets all together, you can tell he doesn't follow the Canucks as closely as other teams and can tell these guys don't like Vancouver all the way back from their playing days....only the local media and fans in this city knows this isn't as big of an issue as they are making it out to be...Canucks are struggling through injuries as well, so this season isn't as joyful as last season so this why their is heat around the Canucks
Hughes should be on the left wall on the PP, move EP to top, put JT in front of net. Hughes can use all of that ice (more than he already does) and gives him space to create movement and open up shots for the other 2. It's basic, but it would work, too often you just have EP standing there waiting for the puck, he gets shaded, the PP gets stuck, they leave JT as the 2 option, and, opposition is fine with that. Boeser can be the bumper/slot shot (or miller, doesn't matter) I am not sure how Tocchet doesn't see this. Rarely do I see them use the bumper to the middle, when this is out, either flank gets shaded because the PK know there is no serious thought of going to slot (see TB, this is a threat, which means the one timer is still viable) If you move Hughes to the wall, EP can go into slot, where he should be shooting vs over on the side. However, if all remains same, yes, just about every game EP has a shot he MUST take, but just doesn't and isn't fast enough with. Chemistry is chemistry, it is astonashing that their stats with vs not with (particulalry EP's) are so high. If anything, it should serve as fuel for EP (whatever JT is doing) but man it is crazy to think EP might... might be able to just 'flip the switch' but just doesn't, which is concerning, he should be doing it for ALL other teammates not not doing it because of 1. Perhaps JT is trying to be a 'player coach' and EP just isn't having it? Who knows, I blew it off for a while as media BS, but there is something here for sure. Winning is the cure, the more they lose... the more this will fester. The only way out is to win it out.
It’s an easily solvable issue with a psychologist for both players and Tocchet. Most coaches would have figured it out by now but that’s not Tocchet’s style
You can't take random 12 game snippets of someone's season and call them an MVP. We'd have had plenty of unworthy MVPs if that were the case. People get hot a certain times, with or without others on the ice with them. Your example is called coincidence, not science. Now go back to not winning Stanley Cups and let the experts play hockey.
There is no beef between these too. Petterson came out and stated as so. They are professional athletes, they both care a lot for the team. Just because they play together and dont always agree with the play doesn't mean they "Despise" each other.
You’re naive if you’re taking Pettersson at his word. Even Tocchet publicly implied that they clash. It’s obvious something serious is wrong. Were it me, Miller would be sold for parts.
One of the Canucks biggest mistakes was keeping Miller, should have moved him long ago, points scored in a season isn't everything it's a team sport and he seems to only bring the team down
Vancouver clearly plays a system that doesn't suit anyone. For instance, look at Hoglander last season and Hoglander now. That guy could easily be a top line forward in any other team. Petterson could easily be a top star with any other team. Canucks are doing what they always has been doing, ruining talent.
Pettersson does have a lot of upsides, but he's not exactly a spring chicken anymore. He's 26 which means he is what he is. Few players transform themselves at his age.
Well, they could always use the "Trouba treatment", where they wouldn't care much about his NMC and let him choose where to go among a set of selected and interested teams.
This is despicable ! I heard that Miller, during a practice took EP hard into the Boards. Now if the Coach and the other Coach Assistants knew there was something ( not good ) going on between EP, and Miller, why did they not put an end to it sooner? As a Coach and knowing Miller was not the Captain, I would have sent him down to the minors for a week or two because of his lack of self control. Now if Miller has some Teammates siding with him against Ep, if I were the owner of the Canucks , I would trade him, the sooner the better. One last thing, when Miller was not playing, the Canucks, and EP were doing alright! Miller comes back and the result speaks for itself.
you realize that he would have to be waived to do that right which would mean all 32 teams have the option to claim him? dude you know nothing about hockey shut up
Petie is overpaid by 6M. The greats could maintain their dominance. But Petie is a skinny and looks like he puts no effort in adding athleticism. He should be getting better with age not worse. If this guy asks for a big contract, he needs to live up to it. His teammates are right to dislike the guy. He is greedy and took the cap space and is playing like a bum
little nitpick from the video this season bedard has shot the puck so little compared to last season and less then others who aren't considered shooters despite having a deadly shot he seems to also have that unselfishness that leads to him trying to set his teammates up instead of ripping it during prime chances which could be confidence or his hockey iq which people usually say is amazing leading to overthinking although not to the degree of petterson i would say
All i can think of is phil kessel ripping geno malkin one on the bench😂. That frenemie match worked well and won two cups. Could still work in Vancouver but who knows.
It's easy... Pettersson is constantly frustrated because he is the Canucks 2nd Line Center. JT out of the line the lower producer was able to rise to the 1st line and have the entire team support him. the moment JT returned Pettersson was allowed to remain on the 1st line, with JT taking a back seat... the production dropped immediately. JT was played more and more, while Petey was producing less and less. First game back Petey was at the 19 minute mark... but by game 3 he was at 13 minutes TOI. JT was getting goals, assists... you know, producing! The problem is Petey. the man baby doesn't deserve the salary and doesn't deserve the attention. If you take his entire career into account he averages high 70s in points per season. only once he was able to rise above the 100 point threshold. He had 1 good season, now he is permanently injured with "tendinitis" that will never be healed and will only get worse every season. I bet JT has more 100 point seasons left in him than Petey has in his entire future PETEY IS A JEALOUS CHILD!
@@matsinilsson9578 He has a better Point percentage. (scoring rate) and if he didn't miss a dozen or so games he would also have more points than your beloved man baby right now. All last season when Canucks were in #1 spot... MILLER WAS 1st LINE! He ends up every season basically with more points than your sh!tty swede. That is the definition of your #1 center. He even has about 15% better face off percentage which again solidifies him as #1 Center. nice try little man. you clearly don't know what you are talking about, you are solely focused on your own preferences, not reality!
I've been saying this for awhile now, he's playing like Daniel, he needs to play like Hendrik more. That shot is why makes him better than both of them.
Honestly.. Bambi needs to go. The money has gotten in his head. I do agree that he has plenty of shot chances but instead elects to pass. JT is the heart and soul of this team. Trade pettersson like we did kuzmenko and get a system player.
Not taking shots looking for the nice play? Petey used to setup at the circle and blast one timers. This year seems like this is missing. No? Gotta be frustrating to the guys working to set him up, and the chance dies on his stick. I don't know why, or if im reading too much into it, but they dont use him this way on the PP now, or teams have adjusted and predict it.
This is on Tocchet and Hughes, they should of handled this loong ago... Hughes is a great guy and an outstanding hockey player, he leads by example...but he is not an Alpha male, and Miller takes advantage of that. This is about the whole team, Miller is and has been creating a rot that is spreading...it affects not only EP, but Hughes as well...and they are both what the team is betting their future on... Get Miller the he** out of there, yesterday!
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Coaches? Not one mention besides Tochett. Expectations. Friction. Personality. Competition. Winning. Psychological motivation. 1000% Speculation. I know something I don’t have to guess about. And unless you’ve been in the locker room with the guys in the last five years that’s all it is- guessing. Hive mind and building the actual chemistry? Look up Dr. Joe Dispenza. One thing you might consider is how anger and other emotions (+/-) manifest on a team. Read some sports psychology or psychology books/articles/studies and consider the Vancouver fishbowl, the current climate of change and I think it might put you a little closer to dispersing to some of the Tochett toxicity, and everyone who has anything with the locker room and anything else the team is exposed to. Until a team is a unit it’s very tough to get anything done as a team on a consistent basis. Take it from the silliest of moments to the most serious. Ready for watching the game? It’s funny to me when fans who aren’t paid by any organization and are strictly fans say “we” in the vernacular of a team. I don’t know one person in 2024 who’s had a smooth transition from 2023. Excuse the length of my response. However consider the conditions when you judge. At its simplest form life is emotions, choices and hormones. Actions over words. But words are motivations or they can make things worse. What do you want? It’s why I mention Dr Joe Dispenza’s studies. There thousands with the same attitude. Do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? I’ve synthesized it all down to five letters. Yes/No? Do it. Don’t guess. Own it. Change your life, lead by example. Easier said than done, obviously. All the best to you, family and friends!
The thing about being a leader is you need to have multiple styles to suit the different personalities. If Miller is yelling at Petterson expecting to get results, and he’s not, he should try a different tactic instead of trying the same thing over and over with the same poor results.
Well that’s what separates miller as a leader from Hughes.
@@J-jizzy_ Miller isn't a leader. He is despised by his former teammates. NY was thriled to get rid of him. He is toxic and its well known he has anger issues that predated Vancouver. He 7th in team points.
We dont need Miller he has had his "season" and now its ride the contract into retirement while he shits all over another team.
We also need a stable coach that knows what he's doing. Horvat was the only guy that put Miller in his place and it showed. After he left Miller took over the room and the guys that were doing well like Pety and Kuz fell off and Hughes is still to young to take on a vet like Miller. This team is dead until they trade Miller or fire the coach and bring in someone that will nueter Miller.
@@J-jizzy_ I’m not a Vancouver fan nor do I follow the team, but just from what was in the video, having played hockey pretty much my entire life and from my own professional experience, it will be hard for Hughes, at 25, to take on someone like Miller who is 31 and appears to have a very aggressive personality. A personality like Millers is only put in its place by someone willing to put them in their place and have teeth behind whatever consequences are behind it. I don’t see someone like Miller, again from what I have seen and heard, listening to Hughes unless he wants to and respects the position. If he doesn’t, and the coach and team won’t apply consequences, he will run amok. What I suspect happens to Petterson, is if Miller gets in his face, then Petterson gets in his own head and his play suffers. I am obviously no where near the skill of Petterson, but I have always been much the same. People getting on my case after I make a mistake only makes me perform worse. If Petterson is a perfectionist, getting on him to play better doesn’t work and will only make him perform worse.
It's a personality thing..Miller is just a snap show..he's been doing this since elementary school. I'm the same way..he think Peterson is soft as butter and it pains him.
@@jjmerago1 100% agree.
I think I’ve figured it out, make Petey and JT attend couples counselling with a sports psychologist. They need to learn to communicate with each other to rekindle their love.
Give them Molly
Petterson’s IQ is why he should be running the power play . For years it’s frustrated me seeing Petey open while Miller over handles the puck just to give it away up the middle. Over and over again. Then pouts after a shorty is scored as if it wasn’t his fault. A guy that commits the same mental gaffes over and over has no right yelling at of his teammates.
His IQ is why he "should" be... but his lacking performance, low production is why is ISN'T!
Hughes is the powerplay quarterback and he is the one who trusts Miller more often on the powerplay.
I think in MacKinnon's case, he is a natural leader who can motivate people by his intensity and is a good guy who can be respected as well. I believe that JT comes off more as an arrogant jerk and isn't nearly as respected.
in MacKinnon's case, his greatness backs up his attitude. In Miller's case...well.
Mac is also a much higher caliber player than Miller. Hell even Mikko Rantanen is known as an intense guy but is consistently on top his game unlike Miller.
Sorry but there's no comparison here at all!!! 2 very different players by far!!! JT is toxic sorry to say:( MacKinnon is a humble player...
Funny you mentioned MacKinnon, I feel he ought to be Avs captain. Doesn't hurt he grew up an Avs fan.
I agree and I think it's important to note that in many northern European countries, most citizens think of Americans as stereotypically arrogant and self-centered. I'm sure that Petterson has an inbuilt bias just like this and right from the get-go could not stand Miller.
Petty definitely needs to snipe more. That last game versus the Sharks where he scored twice in like 45 seconds was ridiculous and he definitely deserved the "let's go Petty" chant for those snipes
It was the sharks, but noted.
There is a thing here, but I highly doubt it is anywhere near as big as it actually is. Now, if they actually don't like each other and it is affecting performance? That is bad, use it as fuel to produce more, not produce less.
Agreed.
You don't think it is as big as it... is?
It’s only a thing because the team is underperforming
Miller is an arrogant hot-headed bully. Sure, he’s a beast and can dominate, but he’s one of those guys that wears on you. His pouting, stick smashing, and screaming gets tiresome.
Reminds me of the Ted Lasso moment where Roy Kent says that Jamie’s play has gone down because he’s been made to be a team player and pass more often, which in turn has made him average.
As a Flyers fan I can only dream of my team having such 'problems'. Two elite centers... Thanks for the interesting and insightful take.
Absolutely phenomenal take. No notes. Thoughtful, well reasoned opinions with solid research. Additionally, unrelated to the first point, I'm convinced.
No notes? You sure?
I’m a huge fan is JT millers game, but I think he needs to play with a guy like Mackinnon. I don’t think JT can be the “alpha” of the team
I just thought the very same thing. He needs to play with someone who intimidates him. Like MacKinnon. Or Crosby.
Imagine Miller in Colorado or Edmonton
@@tomwilson3969 No way to fit Miller under the cap.
This might work! @@jon8004
@jon8004 that's why we have to use our imagination
Totally agree. Petey should be a winger for a bit just to get that shoot first mentality back. His last game showed alot of promise to this though. Hoping his injury is a non-issue.
You are so good at creating content at this point it’s actually crazy lol
Petersson is Zetterberg’s long lost twin. Their play is identical
Zetterberg, the Sedan Twins and Pettersson are all from the same exact area. Their playing style and skills are so similar
2 coaches have confirmed they hate each other
This is so overblown. Everyone has played a sport with someone you don't like. When you play, it goes away. If these two honestly can't get over not liking each other, then they aren't professional.
I do not think Miller wants to win more. I think Peterson is more analytic and tries to maintain control. Miller doesn't always score with his "just shoot" approach, and you've pointed out Peterson's tictactoe works. Keeping them separate is clearly the only way to get it done. Not like it's Mario and Jaromir, or Gretz and Kurri. tend to think Millers chirping is the harmful element.
Like I said, Miller fits better playing with Marchand or Milan Lucic.
Absolute disaster and embarrassment for the Canucks when two star players can’t grow up enough to play together on the power play. Either they figure it out or trade one. Complete shame and just another stab in the guts for Canuck fans. I will die before they win a cup I swear.
If you’ve played or worked on enough teams, you’d know that team chemistry and dynamics are a real thing, and it’s not necessarily about “growing up”. That’s not how human beings work.
Trade miller
Sure hope petey watches this if hes spending so much time on social media 😂😂😂
He’s been off socials for awhile
Very well put together. This situation is pretty crazy to even think about. Id kill to have both these guys on my Pens.
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I would argue Peterson playing “too unselfish” is not because of a “too hight of hockey IQ” but in reality would probably lower his overall hockey IQ. I think the best players in the world, like Mcdavid Mackinninon Drai Crosby etc… can understand when they should shoot the puck vs passing it.
They should be building a team around Pettersson so...get rid of Miller. Problem fixed. If not let Elias go to a club that can win the Cup. Hate to see Elias waste his best years.
It is all coaching. There is a reason he played better under Bodreaux.
I hope Elias wants a trade and goes to a team that can win the Cup. Let Miller stay in Vancouver and go down with the ship.
go make a another apex legend video
Trade him to a team in the U.S. if he wants to win a cup. God knows it's been 31+ years now since the geniuses up north have managed to do it.
2nd this.
It could happen. This is all coaching.
To the habs 😂
Best analysis yet
The media in Vancouver will not stop until a trade of either Pete or Miller will take pace so they can have something to talk about and criticize the Nucks for for the next ten years. This is common in all professional sports here in Vancouver.
Haha, I wouldn’t doubt it! The Vancouver media is toxic.
Well put!
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What credible sources might that be?
Unless you're in the dressing room this is purely speculation and it annoys the hell out of me. They are human beings who may have confidence issues, problems at home or any number of issues humans have. I 'm pretty sure they will both come around as the season progresses. The way I see it , this teams biggest problem is other than Hughes, none of their defensemen seem to be able to make a pass out of their own end.
Petersons like the Spiderman of the nhl, he's always hold back
And then…you see the Crosby-Malkin-Letang trio. They will all be in the HOF. They would literally give blood for each other. You can see the level of love and respect they have for each other and the sport, AND their team. Yes, they are obviously “over-the-hill” in terms of their former abilities, but don’t tell them that.
I think they probably don't like each other, but I think the friction brought up here is why they don't like each other. Miller wants to win, and he's super up front about calling people out. He likely sees Pettersson holding back and is vocal about wanting to see more, but Pettersson is holding back to make sure to include the rest of the team. To me, Pettersson seems to want long term team success, he wants people around him to be the best they can be and he wants to help them get there. Miller seems like he wants short term team success, he wants to win now in any way possible and individual effort overcoming the weaker play of some teammates is what he sees as what's needed. Both are incredibly valid, one sees success now but with no long term plan and one sees a potential dynasty with less success in the immediate future.
Ideally they'd learn to work together and find a compromise, but I also don't see Miller as the type to compromise and Pettersson feels like he'd be stubborn when he feels like the other person is being a dick. If they can't work it out, I'd rather the Canucks keep Pettersson, he just has way more upside in so many ways and I think he'd be better for the long term success of the team.
Personality is a huge aspect of the game. Different people need to be treated differently because their personality is different.
I know what happened with JT, my family friend works for the organization and has heard what happened, I’m not gonna say anything out of respect for Miller and this is something that doesn’t need to be out there but he is still recovering, it’s something he called out himself and was honest with the organization about and I’m glad he took the proper steps to getting help before it was too late
Very interesting thoughts
"potential" doesn't win games. EP40's potential is high, but his value is extremely low.
It's surprising that Pettersson is known as a sniper since his weight isn't too bulky for his height. Usually 6'2 players r 195-220lbs.
Miller is a narcissist
Miller is a goof
At the end of the day what matters most is who shows up in the playoffs and who dosnt , one of them did last season and one didnt , if they make a descicison to trade one of them that should be a huge deciding factor imo
Overblown. Media is making it bigger than it needs to be.
Best outlook i have heard. I totally agree 👍
Thank you for the seat geek code was able to use it for the oilers and wings game for my gfs birthday ❤
Awesome!
I'm a Hurricanes fan, knew nothing about this other than THG occasionally mentioning it
You are right in that he's more likely now to give away the puck to his line mates rather than shooting the puck
This is where things could get a bit political. At least neither of them are captain, but this conflict can put some pressure on Hughes to resolve it. It was bad enough they traded away Horvat, who was a good leader.
This is just media fueled. Every player has slumps. They've both produced insane off each other. Nothing to worry about.
As an oiler fan I think miller was more effective in the playoffs, Dakota Johnson, garland and of course silovs. Petey was a no show, apparently he was injured so I cut him some slack. Hope Vancouver figures this out and takes that next step.😊
A fresh tale on Petey I love it!! I saw somebody comment somewhere else that Petey might be on the spectrum, that also could be a possibility
They both suck this year.
Nice backgtound music with 007
I miss the random Goldeneye music haha
4:03
it is SHOCKING that SeatGeek sponsored your video.
(not actually im subbed but like-)
If things don't work out they can always trade Pettersson to Boston. Hell, you can have Pasta for him.
Quinn hughes should get the hart and Norris. That guy is doing everything to keep this team afloat . With their offensive struggles.
Petterson likes to distribute instead of shooting. Reminds me of Barzal who is a playmaker but almost NEVER shoots the damn puck!
When you click on video talking about player beef and what you get is highlights about why a guy likes players on his favorite team. lol
I'm sitting here in Buffalo BEGGING that Vancouver trades either Miller or Petterson to us in a dumb bone headed panic trade. I know there's a 0% chance but the "rumours" are there. One can only hope right?
Good luck with that, bruh
If Peterson wants that Selke he's got to go through Hischier tho.
They absolutely hate each other and its obvious
Is this a serious issue for the Canucks?
Nah Bro Biznasty leading the charge of dropping these bombshell reports that have been around for years between these two players...he's bringing sh!t up from years, he doesn't like the Canucks, stopped listening to spitting chicklets all together, you can tell he doesn't follow the Canucks as closely as other teams and can tell these guys don't like Vancouver all the way back from their playing days....only the local media and fans in this city knows this isn't as big of an issue as they are making it out to be...Canucks are struggling through injuries as well, so this season isn't as joyful as last season so this why their is heat around the Canucks
Hughes should be on the left wall on the PP, move EP to top, put JT in front of net. Hughes can use all of that ice (more than he already does) and gives him space to create movement and open up shots for the other 2. It's basic, but it would work, too often you just have EP standing there waiting for the puck, he gets shaded, the PP gets stuck, they leave JT as the 2 option, and, opposition is fine with that. Boeser can be the bumper/slot shot (or miller, doesn't matter) I am not sure how Tocchet doesn't see this. Rarely do I see them use the bumper to the middle, when this is out, either flank gets shaded because the PK know there is no serious thought of going to slot (see TB, this is a threat, which means the one timer is still viable) If you move Hughes to the wall, EP can go into slot, where he should be shooting vs over on the side. However, if all remains same, yes, just about every game EP has a shot he MUST take, but just doesn't and isn't fast enough with. Chemistry is chemistry, it is astonashing that their stats with vs not with (particulalry EP's) are so high. If anything, it should serve as fuel for EP (whatever JT is doing) but man it is crazy to think EP might... might be able to just 'flip the switch' but just doesn't, which is concerning, he should be doing it for ALL other teammates not not doing it because of 1. Perhaps JT is trying to be a 'player coach' and EP just isn't having it? Who knows, I blew it off for a while as media BS, but there is something here for sure. Winning is the cure, the more they lose... the more this will fester. The only way out is to win it out.
It’s an easily solvable issue with a psychologist for both players and Tocchet. Most coaches would have figured it out by now but that’s not Tocchet’s style
Yes. Miller needs to go. He's already began to decline.
They should put Debrusk instead of Garland on PP1.
The truth will eventually trickle out in whispers, but it will never be made officially public. It is far stupider than the current speculation.
Go ahead. Enlighten us.
You can't take random 12 game snippets of someone's season and call them an MVP. We'd have had plenty of unworthy MVPs if that were the case. People get hot a certain times, with or without others on the ice with them. Your example is called coincidence, not science. Now go back to not winning Stanley Cups and let the experts play hockey.
The thing is, Pettersson’s has had 40-50 game stretches several times in his career where he was on a 130+ point pace
Great breakdown Rob!!
Maybe they will fight it out internationally
This is the best take yet …by far
There is no beef between these too. Petterson came out and stated as so. They are professional athletes, they both care a lot for the team. Just because they play together and dont always agree with the play doesn't mean they "Despise" each other.
Idk. Rob says there is 🤷♂️
Friction? Yes. Do they hate each other enough to bring down the culture of the team. No
U believe what people say 😂😂😂
They don't like each other much fact
We have to say as it
You’re naive if you’re taking Pettersson at his word. Even Tocchet publicly implied that they clash. It’s obvious something serious is wrong. Were it me, Miller would be sold for parts.
This really sucks to watch from an outsiders perspective. I feel bad for Toccet to have to navigate this HS drama.
2:50 Isn't that an example of offense? Some of the commentary mixed with video footage is so all over the place in this one.
One of the Canucks biggest mistakes was keeping Miller, should have moved him long ago, points scored in a season isn't everything it's a team sport and he seems to only bring the team down
Honestly I wouldn't want either of these guys on my team.
I agree with the part at the end, your theory. It seems like that.
One more thing. Players need to stay away from all media, specially social media.
Vancouver clearly plays a system that doesn't suit anyone. For instance, look at Hoglander last season and Hoglander now. That guy could easily be a top line forward in any other team. Petterson could easily be a top star with any other team. Canucks are doing what they always has been doing, ruining talent.
Sounds so much like barkovs early years. I think he will find his stride
Love the content, could you please break down the sens and how they are playing better?
that wont get any views bud
Pettersson does have a lot of upsides, but he's not exactly a spring chicken anymore. He's 26 which means he is what he is. Few players transform themselves at his age.
I was thinking the same thing.
Petey isn't even in his prime years yet
Eh...the prime of a elite player is between 25-30 and that goes for 75% of all sports. Don't speak about things you kniw nothing about. Moron.
JT Miller and Elias P remind me a lot of Scheifele and Connor - not quite as good, but similar. And of course Scheife and KC get along swimmingly.
What's even worse is even if Vancouver wanted to trade Miller... He has a NMC until 2027-28 season.
Well, they could always use the "Trouba treatment", where they wouldn't care much about his NMC and let him choose where to go among a set of selected and interested teams.
Wrong coach for Petey???
Holy glaze
I dropped miller in fantasy when he went on leave because there was no timetable now I really regret that.
This is despicable ! I heard that Miller, during a practice took EP hard into the Boards. Now if the Coach and the other Coach Assistants knew there was something ( not good ) going on between EP, and Miller, why did they not put an end to it sooner? As a Coach and knowing Miller was not the Captain, I would have sent him down to the minors for a week or two because of his lack of self control. Now if Miller has some Teammates siding with him against Ep, if I were the owner of the Canucks , I would trade him, the sooner the better. One last thing, when Miller was not playing, the Canucks, and EP were doing alright! Miller comes back and the result speaks for itself.
you realize that he would have to be waived to do that right
which would mean all 32 teams have the option to claim him?
dude you know nothing about hockey shut up
Petie is overpaid by 6M. The greats could maintain their dominance. But Petie is a skinny and looks like he puts no effort in adding athleticism. He should be getting better with age not worse.
If this guy asks for a big contract, he needs to live up to it. His teammates are right to dislike the guy. He is greedy and took the cap space and is playing like a bum
little nitpick from the video
this season bedard has shot the puck so little compared to last season and less then others who aren't considered shooters despite having a deadly shot
he seems to also have that unselfishness that leads to him trying to set his teammates up instead of ripping it during prime chances which could be confidence or his hockey iq which people usually say is amazing leading to overthinking although not to the degree of petterson i would say
We get it Rob. You like Vancouver. 54 Years and no cup though.
Yo you did Loui Eriksson dirty, he didn't deserve to be on that list
what's the confusion? trade millar, he wanted a trade 2 years ago anyway.
All i can think of is phil kessel ripping geno malkin one on the bench😂. That frenemie match worked well and won two cups. Could still work in Vancouver but who knows.
It's easy... Pettersson is constantly frustrated because he is the Canucks 2nd Line Center. JT out of the line the lower producer was able to rise to the 1st line and have the entire team support him. the moment JT returned Pettersson was allowed to remain on the 1st line, with JT taking a back seat... the production dropped immediately. JT was played more and more, while Petey was producing less and less. First game back Petey was at the 19 minute mark... but by game 3 he was at 13 minutes TOI. JT was getting goals, assists... you know, producing!
The problem is Petey. the man baby doesn't deserve the salary and doesn't deserve the attention. If you take his entire career into account he averages high 70s in points per season. only once he was able to rise above the 100 point threshold. He had 1 good season, now he is permanently injured with "tendinitis" that will never be healed and will only get worse every season. I bet JT has more 100 point seasons left in him than Petey has in his entire future
PETEY IS A JEALOUS CHILD!
You cannot play a Ferrari like a Fiat. This is all COACHING and Miller is more of an elite 2nd liner than a first liner.
@@matsinilsson9578 He has a better Point percentage. (scoring rate) and if he didn't miss a dozen or so games he would also have more points than your beloved man baby right now. All last season when Canucks were in #1 spot... MILLER WAS 1st LINE! He ends up every season basically with more points than your sh!tty swede. That is the definition of your #1 center. He even has about 15% better face off percentage which again solidifies him as #1 Center. nice try little man. you clearly don't know what you are talking about, you are solely focused on your own preferences, not reality!
Think pettersson and Miller is def overblown.
Side point hope Hughes video comes back soon 😢
I just got it back 😎
P. looks good when it don’t count.
Elias pettersson would look so good in victory green
I've been saying this for awhile now, he's playing like Daniel, he needs to play like Hendrik more. That shot is why makes him better than both of them.
his shot is so good, he won the hardest shot competition in 22-23 and that is so impressive considering he’s not a big body player
Honestly.. Bambi needs to go. The money has gotten in his head. I do agree that he has plenty of shot chances but instead elects to pass. JT is the heart and soul of this team. Trade pettersson like we did kuzmenko and get a system player.
You mention Landeskog, a guy who hasn't played in 3 years and pretends he's coming back.
I'm firmly in Camp Miller at this point. Always have been even from the initial trade for him.
Not taking shots looking for the nice play? Petey used to setup at the circle and blast one timers. This year seems like this is missing. No? Gotta be frustrating to the guys working to set him up, and the chance dies on his stick. I don't know why, or if im reading too much into it, but they dont use him this way on the PP now, or teams have adjusted and predict it.
This is on Tocchet and Hughes, they should of handled this loong ago...
Hughes is a great guy and an outstanding hockey player, he leads by example...but he is not an Alpha male, and Miller takes advantage of that.
This is about the whole team, Miller is and has been creating a rot that is spreading...it affects not only EP, but Hughes as well...and they are both what the team is betting their future on...
Get Miller the he** out of there, yesterday!
Agree 100%. Almost like him being unselfish is a mistake. Hehehe.
This should be titled “When stupid people can’t let things go!”