We decided to test a KIND LED vs a chinese LED. The Kind LED has a much better colour spectrum but the chinese LD is more powerful. From our store: Grow Lights ~ www.reliablehy...
I bought a cheap amazon LED, works great. Same leds as more expensive brands actually. People never look at the parts used but always just the brand. And when they see 'china' they suddenly think its bad. Thats why people still buy iPhones and Samsungs..
I agree with you, we must honor the fact, also business man need to be honest with his beloved clients, it is made in China, why said it is made in America, not good way.
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kind led is chinease, just rebranded, first kind was made by cidly Apollo or bysen/bysheng leds, the ``new`` k5 xl750 and xl1000 is made of xallstar leds and COSTs only 550 dollars compared to kind, you can even get kind printed on the lights if you want just like the Shady KIND LED DOES..
AND YOU CAN SELECT AND CUSTOMIZE YOUR OWN SPECTRUM AS YOU WISH,kind still has shitty epistar and bridgelux low bin leds and amazinig crappy par values , but hey they are better than the worst out there mars Hydro
zawahra7 If you want a China LED then get one with good COBS. If you are determined to buy China LED's then look up Geyapex Solo. Geyapex has a website you can order from. They use Cree, and Citizen Cobs. A lower cost cob but at least they are good quality. Personally i would buy HID lights like HPS, or MH instead of the China LED's....If you are going to buy good top of the line LEDs then go with PLC, HLG, Fluence, or ChilLed. Or you can buy a DIY COB kit from Cutter electronics, or Timber grow lights.
You tell a lie, in fact, 80% led grow lights in America are from China, can you show us your workshop in America ? If you make it in America, the price is not affordable for common people. We have to tell truth to all our clients. Even if you use cress , Citizen, etc, but if do not manufacturing in China, no way. Right now , Even hard for Chinese factory to make money. they go to India to open factory, how can you make it in America ? where is the difference ? Phillip also make lights in China, why people buy it ?
Just got the Mars light ago for my flowering stage. I'm upgrading from a bunch of curly bulbs. Just a causal grower and man does this thin work I saw a difference very quick.
ok im having trouble deciding....so ???should i go with 6> 200 watt cob leds =1200watts with 90 degree reflectors or my other option for $20 less is 200>10watt leds= 2000 watts with mixed 90 and 120 degree lenses... using a 48x24x60 tent
First, only some lights from China are identical but rebranded. Most are made there in fact but with different build and spectrum. Vizio makes most all flat screen television panels but different brands are made to different spec.
I'm go for Chinese brand like mars hydro, during my first grow , my plant all perform very well.And I also record my grow journey, you can see how is my growing .really satisfied
Just because 2 nearly identical products in appearance are made in china does not mean that they are equal. Many legitimate companies make quality products out of china, but unfortunately due to the lack of intellectual property laws in china, those original products are always bootlegged and made cheaper by those outsourced factories by cutting corners, using cheaper materials, not understanding the science, and all the research and development that went into the original idea. They flood the market with crap which then confuses the consumer because they then assume that all chinese made products are garbage, which most of it is. It all just comes down to doing the research into the companies that truly understand what it is they're making. They may cost more, but that is because quality control comes at a cost.
surely you need 2 LEDs of the same wattage for a fair test, what ever results you get won't be accurate as the lights are rated at 2 different wattages.
You want to compare 300w vs 600w and you are using the same space, same amount of plants... You have no clue what you are doing... like 99 percent of the rest... You need to compare 300w 3 ft by 3 ft full of plants vs 600w (4x4 -5x5) ft
The chinese LED fixtures are usually well made , it's the mis representation of wattage by all the shady sellers that makes em look bad...bad business model.
You deserve a response. We had issues that I would put down to QA where 'Actual Watts' was not actual watts. We spoke to kind and have returned all our units. I have to be fair to kind, who were very good to deal with and quickly and efficiently rectified the situation. Unfortunately we have no option but to remove the Kind LED's from our store. Although the K5 units seemed to be unaffected by this QA issue we couldn't offer a product that we wished to put our names to. At this point we stock no LED's.
Can anyone point me on the right path for a suitable LED light for established cuttings seedlings clone's mother's,but I only have 3-4ft hight, it's a 1m X 1m approximately I'm thinking 250-300w maybe hydro or vipar spectra but worrying about burn
All these different companies are just trying to get in on the grow cow. I have 2 Chinese sol gro lights I paid 150 each. They are 1000 watt, or that's what they claim. But let me tell ya, I'm pulling 3/4 to 1 lb plants in tent from these, they are actually Alibaba. Yes there ARE about 4 or 5 GOOD lights out there that will out pull these Alibaba . But for 1000 bucks each. Hell I'm disabled, on fixed income. I can't afford to spend 1k a light for a few more grams or oz per plant. I've had these two, plus a crew cob all from Alibaba, and spent about 500 bucks for all 3. Don't let these companies do you, cause that's exactly what they will do. Just like Harley Davidson, says American made. BULL SHIT they are assembled in America. Pull the heads off and look in casing, Says made in Pakistan, or Indonesia. These companies need to stop lying to us all. Myself, when these wear out, I'm going back to my hps and mh cmh, and stick with what, I know is true. All a money game. I'm trying to grow my medicine, and gonna go with what I can afford. PERIOD........
Carlos Paul I bought a populargrow 300 watt led with 3w diodes ( honestly imo 3w are better than 5w, 10w are the shittiest) in august 2015 its been used through 4 cycles, around 4000 hours and still works great, plus its as bright as it was when I got it, at least that I can tell. The cheap Chinese LEDs sure maybe 10% break (if you do your research and get decent ones, because if you get shitty ones they can have like a 30% failure rate maybe even higher) before they are supposed to but they are only 60 bucks, you can't expect to get platinum led quality when you can literally buy 6 lights for the same price as one platinum.
Carlos Paul but yeah that account is definitely fake lmao , there are a ton of fake reviews for a lot of the LEDs too you gotta watch out for them, they are usually pretty easy to spot though. especially when they don't have fluent English, and they just say "wow! great led, works, and better than all the other ones" that's when they give it away
Carlos Paul well I have 4 panels now, about to order another 2 on top of that, so I'll do an update on how they turn out. I'm gonna take a wild guess though and say that its most likely all of them will work fine for at least a couple thousand hours, if anything maybe one will fail. And saying that "real" leds are super expensive so the cheap ones must be shit is like saying "real headphones" cost 1000 dollars so the 200 dollar ones must just be shit, of course they won't be as good as the more expensive ones but that doesn't mean that everything cheaper is just shit. LEDs aren't complicated machinery . no matter who makes them, they are just chips on a board with a heatsink and some drivers, they aren't difficult to make, they don't have a lot of parts. platinum LEDs and up are just overpriced to hell. even if they give off 2x the performance of these 60 dollar LEDs, it still isn't worth it IMO. and the 10% is based on the real reviews I was reading, not my own personal experience. and plus, most people who get a good product don't leave reviews, but almost EVERYBODY who gets a bad product leaves a review so you also have to take that into consideration.
Carlos Paul these Chinese companies don't over clock their diodes 😂😂😂, I have no idea where you got that idea from. that's why they have "real watts". that's why 300 watt LEDs only use 140 watts, each 3w diode has about 1.3-1.5w running through each, or if you have 5w diodes they have 2-2.5w running through them. and where did I say that the cheaper ones were as good as the expensive ones? I didn't.
Leds are cheap!!! LMAO ;) and that's your reason for telling that Mars Hydro lights are crap.. Seriously i don't want to waste my time listening to your CRAP!!! Finito....over and out..vy73
I have been using Mars Hydro since 2014, and they have been great. I can afford their lights and get same results with the Kind or Black Dog led. Why should we stick to the big brand but speak lowly of the lower end brand?
Yep. The KIND led's were returned as faulty as they were not the promised 'Actual' wattage and the Chinese LED made monsters (in a deformed frankenstein kind of way) due to lack of control\ dispersal of light.
jian2013.en.made-in-china.com/product/hqBExreGYFUl/China-Apollo-180W-Greenhouse-Vegetables-LED-Grow-Light.html i got it and this is for others who would have like to know
Man could you PLEASE explain to me, I got 4 lights from a guy all brand new in box.But they say gro sol grow lights. But it says 274x3watts, 11 band. What does that mean, and are they any good.
The chinese unit is an odd thing. It creates very odd monster plants with massive roots but way too much veg growth! Sounds odd I know so I'll do a video later and update. Out 186w CFL is doing a great job though!
I bought Mars Hydro lights and in under a year they all have major issues, whole panel of LED's burn out, power supply problems, one of the lights had broken fans in it, circuit board melted, the worst is the company gave me the run around, had me send the lights to some joker had already determined without opening the light, that they were unfixable and it was my fault, The company gave me every excuse and tried to blame me, they say something and then change their minds, they even admitted its their fault but still refuses to honor their warranty. Worst company I have ever dealt with. Made in China ! You get what you pay for !!!! cheap price cheap lights !!!
I'd say neither at this point. We had a faulty Kind LED vs a monster veg LED that made masses of burnt leaves. I doubt all the distance from canopy figures that we had, the LED's would be best high up or on a light rail IMO. I think the answer is CFL as far as you can then HPS, unless you have the height to go with LED. We will be testing COB's later in the year from an Irish Manufacturer!
neither light is giving us a neutral read... throws off everything... look I get your making the claims the Chinese light is worse or better than the other light but who's to say either of the lights are decent at all... you need a neutral .."something proven to give a premium LED experience ,giving a proper standard to hold ALL LED lights to "I'd recommend anything from COB leds" otherwise you could be comparing a crappy light to an even crappier light nobody knows
If you want the best light for the money its only one place to go thats marshdro they tell you up front true output wattage and the best I have ever delt with they are the only ones I'll buy lights from, just awesome people to deal with and I have bought a many of lights from them and will be buying more .
i used a chinese led .it lasted the grow stage then it was only of use for the bin .it was made of plastic and wzs returned to plastic heaven....dont try to save money mu idvise is u get what u pau for so do not buy chinese it will cost u in the long run.joki
This is complete bullshit in so many ways lol. Kind is nothing more than a rebranded chinese Apollo. Still no name drivers, still epistar/bridgelux diodes.
They're not top bin anything. They're just regular ass cheap diodes. None of those brands you listed make high end 3w/5w diodes. Go look at cree and osram if you want higher end diodes. COBs are the new hotness though.
Justintime2Grow Network I actually do have lights that are all Cree so I agree and am familiar with cree and osram but to say there's no such thing as top bin LEDs or a difference in quality throughout companies in the industry is a lie my friend. Just like cob technology that's why there are cob units that are $100 and there are cob units that are $1,000 because the same thing applies there in terms of the quality of the cob used. I was building LED lights 15 years ago while I was getting my degree in electronics technology so I would say I'm more than familiar with this thanks for the response my friend and happy growing
15 years ago LED tech was nothing so who cares what you did? You could have been building light brights for all I know. You think that's going to impress me? Nope, it impresses yourself which really does nothing. Mental masturbation. It's always funny when people try to use their "experience" in technology. Technology changes and what you knew a few years ago isn't even worth anything now. I don't give a damn what you did 15 years ago COB tech is today. And no there aren't $100 cob units and $1000 cob units that take the same power and are different "bins" you obviously don't know a whole lot about them. You're putting words in my mouth as well so you obviously don't even understand what I said. I don't have time to educate you on the many things wrong with what you just said (with your self righteous attitude and false sense of knowledge I doubt it would help) and you're not paying me to do so. Cheers bud.
Justintime2Grow Network make no mistake impressing you is of no importance to me and your defensive nature immediately shows you're embarrassing lack of knowledge not the lack of time to explain it stupid fuks will be stupid fuks don't be scared of Education.
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I bought a cheap amazon LED, works great.
Same leds as more expensive brands actually.
People never look at the parts used but always just the brand. And when they see 'china' they suddenly think its bad. Thats why people still buy iPhones and Samsungs..
which one did you get?
Wich one did you buy?
to be fair most LEDs are cheap Chinese just rebranded
James Peavy thx dude
Made with vastly differing quality standards.
James Peavy which led should I chose I'm on super budget
I agree with you, we must honor the fact, also business man need to be honest with his beloved clients, it is made in China, why said it is made in America, not good way.
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look for a led panel and go by the power draw to find the best one for your money. They list them as '1000w model' but the actual draw is like 100watts or something small. Mine is a '1000watt model' and it is doing well for the £55 I paid. It only draws 120watt or so but its bright and is supposedly full spectrum so it works for veg and flower but id beef up the flowering lights as just this one led is lacking a little bit.
kind led is chinease, just rebranded, first kind was made by cidly Apollo or bysen/bysheng leds, the ``new`` k5 xl750 and xl1000 is made of xallstar leds and COSTs only 550 dollars compared to kind, you can even get kind printed on the lights if you want just like the Shady KIND LED DOES..
AND YOU CAN SELECT AND CUSTOMIZE YOUR OWN SPECTRUM AS YOU WISH,kind still has shitty epistar and bridgelux low bin leds and amazinig crappy par values , but hey they are better than the worst out there mars Hydro
Alexander Carlsen hey man you seem to know you led's. Which LED would you go for? If Chinese then which manufacturer?
Yes, you are right, it is really China made, why can not tell truth to all the clients ?
zawahra7 If you want a China LED then get one with good COBS. If you are determined to buy China LED's then look up Geyapex Solo. Geyapex has a website you can order from. They use Cree, and Citizen Cobs. A lower cost cob but at least they are good quality.
Personally i would buy HID lights like HPS, or MH instead of the China LED's....If you are going to buy good top of the line LEDs then go with PLC, HLG, Fluence, or ChilLed.
Or you can buy a DIY COB kit from Cutter electronics, or Timber grow lights.
You tell a lie, in fact, 80% led grow lights in America are from China, can you show us your workshop in America ? If you make it in America, the price is not affordable for common people. We have to tell truth to all our clients. Even if you use cress , Citizen, etc, but if do not manufacturing in China, no way. Right now , Even hard for Chinese factory to make money. they go to India to open factory, how can you make it in America ? where is the difference ? Phillip also make lights in China, why people buy it ?
Both chinese.
It is interesting to see the results of the experiment.
Just got the Mars light ago for my flowering stage. I'm upgrading from a bunch of curly bulbs. Just a causal grower and man does this thin work I saw a difference very quick.
ok im having trouble deciding....so ???should i go with 6> 200 watt cob leds =1200watts with 90 degree reflectors or my other option for $20 less is 200>10watt leds= 2000 watts with mixed 90 and 120 degree lenses... using a 48x24x60 tent
We will be testing the Migro LED next week, 8 week grow in our store.
any videos of this to be posted soon? I recently saw these lights and wanted to get a review... they are kind of pricey!
First, only some lights from China are identical but rebranded. Most are made there in fact but with different build and spectrum. Vizio makes most all flat screen television panels but different brands are made to different spec.
do you have an update?
I guess the chine one was pretty good after all!
U need to speak up or sort your mic out I can't hear a thing on full volume. What watts were your LEDs?
I'm go for Chinese brand like mars hydro, during my first grow , my plant all perform very well.And I also record my grow journey, you can see how is my growing .really satisfied
Could you please do a video on the best bloom nutrients to use with Coco a & b.great video thanks for showing
Just because 2 nearly identical products in appearance are made in china does not mean that they are equal. Many legitimate companies make quality products out of china, but unfortunately due to the lack of intellectual property laws in china, those original products are always bootlegged and made cheaper by those outsourced factories by cutting corners, using cheaper materials, not understanding the science, and all the research and development that went into the original idea. They flood the market with crap which then confuses the consumer because they then assume that all chinese made products are garbage, which most of it is. It all just comes down to doing the research into the companies that truly understand what it is they're making. They may cost more, but that is because quality control comes at a cost.
why don't you put the lights closer to the plants to stop them streching
Well where's the update from this video
Its in the channel.
surely you need 2 LEDs of the same wattage for a fair test, what ever results you get won't be accurate as the lights are rated at 2 different wattages.
Yeah, we're not scientists though. Plus we're in the real world. Most comparisons are on cost. What will €500 get with product X vs €500 of product Y.
Where’s the update of this lights? Can you tell me the results of both lights?
Patric where was our follow up video what is the outcome ???
You want to compare 300w vs 600w and you are using the same space, same amount of plants... You have no clue what you are doing... like 99 percent of the rest... You need to compare 300w 3 ft by 3 ft full of plants vs 600w (4x4 -5x5) ft
The chinese LED fixtures are usually well made , it's the mis representation of wattage by all the shady sellers that makes em look bad...bad business model.
Wheres your follow up video?
how did the Chinese do compared to the other?
update???????
How much is it.
You deserve a response. We had issues that I would put down to QA where 'Actual Watts' was not actual watts. We spoke to kind and have returned all our units. I have to be fair to kind, who were very good to deal with and quickly and efficiently rectified the situation. Unfortunately we have no option but to remove the Kind LED's from our store.
Although the K5 units seemed to be unaffected by this QA issue we couldn't offer a product that we wished to put our names to.
At this point we stock no LED's.
Reliable Hydroponics seh
What a joke. No LEDs? It's not 1990 anymore guys
Can anyone point me on the right path for a suitable LED light for established cuttings seedlings clone's mother's,but I only have 3-4ft hight, it's a 1m X 1m approximately I'm thinking 250-300w maybe hydro or vipar spectra but worrying about burn
Jimi glimmer a cheap bloomspect would do if money is tight. Better spectrum and par than mars.
This would have been helpful if I could have heard a single word...
All these different companies are just trying to get in on the grow cow. I have 2 Chinese sol gro lights I paid 150 each. They are 1000 watt, or that's what they claim. But let me tell ya, I'm pulling 3/4 to 1 lb plants in tent from these, they are actually Alibaba. Yes there ARE about 4 or 5 GOOD lights out there that will out pull these Alibaba . But for 1000 bucks each. Hell I'm disabled, on fixed income. I can't afford to spend 1k a light for a few more grams or oz per plant. I've had these two, plus a crew cob all from Alibaba, and spent about 500 bucks for all 3. Don't let these companies do you, cause that's exactly what they will do. Just like Harley Davidson, says American made. BULL SHIT they are assembled in America. Pull the heads off and look in casing, Says made in Pakistan, or Indonesia. These companies need to stop lying to us all. Myself, when these wear out, I'm going back to my hps and mh cmh, and stick with what, I know is true. All a money game. I'm trying to grow my medicine, and gonna go with what I can afford. PERIOD........
I feel like hps and mh is still the way I have a 1200$ led from g8 and it still can't match the hps yeild and density
I have purchased the several Chinese led and marshydro is the best haha. Wonderful result with it ;)
Poor guy :)
Carlos Paul I bought a populargrow 300 watt led with 3w diodes ( honestly imo 3w are better than 5w, 10w are the shittiest) in august 2015 its been used through 4 cycles, around 4000 hours and still works great, plus its as bright as it was when I got it, at least that I can tell. The cheap Chinese LEDs sure maybe 10% break (if you do your research and get decent ones, because if you get shitty ones they can have like a 30% failure rate maybe even higher) before they are supposed to but they are only 60 bucks, you can't expect to get platinum led quality when you can literally buy 6 lights for the same price as one platinum.
Carlos Paul but yeah that account is definitely fake lmao , there are a ton of fake reviews for a lot of the LEDs too you gotta watch out for them, they are usually pretty easy to spot though. especially when they don't have fluent English, and they just say "wow! great led, works, and better than all the other ones" that's when they give it away
Carlos Paul well I have 4 panels now, about to order another 2 on top of that, so I'll do an update on how they turn out. I'm gonna take a wild guess though and say that its most likely all of them will work fine for at least a couple thousand hours, if anything maybe one will fail. And saying that "real" leds are super expensive so the cheap ones must be shit is like saying "real headphones" cost 1000 dollars so the 200 dollar ones must just be shit, of course they won't be as good as the more expensive ones but that doesn't mean that everything cheaper is just shit. LEDs aren't complicated machinery . no matter who makes them, they are just chips on a board with a heatsink and some drivers, they aren't difficult to make, they don't have a lot of parts. platinum LEDs and up are just overpriced to hell. even if they give off 2x the performance of these 60 dollar LEDs, it still isn't worth it IMO. and the 10% is based on the real reviews I was reading, not my own personal experience. and plus, most people who get a good product don't leave reviews, but almost EVERYBODY who gets a bad product leaves a review so you also have to take that into consideration.
Carlos Paul these Chinese companies don't over clock their diodes 😂😂😂, I have no idea where you got that idea from. that's why they have "real watts". that's why 300 watt LEDs only use 140 watts, each 3w diode has about 1.3-1.5w running through each, or if you have 5w diodes they have 2-2.5w running through them. and where did I say that the cheaper ones were as good as the expensive ones? I didn't.
It's not the Wattage that counts, it's the amount of lux thus the quality of the LED's themselves that is very important. Right?
Should you change your hps to cheap, old tech LEDs? No..... Should you change to quality LEDs? Yes..... Neither of these fit that bill.
whats abput purple alien 2.0?
What is your opinion on the Mars Hydro Led light, also Chinese..?
its pure shit
Give me a reason why its pure shit! then i might believe you...
I think the leds are cheap
Leds are cheap!!! LMAO ;) and that's your reason for telling that Mars Hydro lights are crap.. Seriously i don't want to waste my time listening to your CRAP!!! Finito....over and out..vy73
I have been using Mars Hydro since 2014, and they have been great. I can afford their lights and get same results with the Kind or Black Dog led. Why should we stick to the big brand but speak lowly of the lower end brand?
Any update video on this?
Yep. The KIND led's were returned as faulty as they were not the promised 'Actual' wattage and the Chinese LED made monsters (in a deformed frankenstein kind of way) due to lack of control\ dispersal of light.
In Cob we trust.
Double the yield because the light is twice as bright? Hmm that's not how plant science works.
where did you get the chinese light drop a link
jian2013.en.made-in-china.com/product/hqBExreGYFUl/China-Apollo-180W-Greenhouse-Vegetables-LED-Grow-Light.html
i got it and this is for others who would have like to know
The one they used was larger.
An Apollo 6. That one is an Apollo 4.
Sooo what the fuck happened? I think waiting til 2019 is enough suspense
Buy an HLG 300 - 550 YOU won't BE DISAPPOINTED
Man could you PLEASE explain to me, I got 4 lights from a guy all brand new in box.But they say gro sol grow lights. But it says 274x3watts, 11 band. What does that mean, and are they any good.
The chinese unit is an odd thing. It creates very odd monster plants with massive roots but way too much veg growth! Sounds odd I know so I'll do a video later and update. Out 186w CFL is doing a great job though!
We can talk about cooperation
That's why you need to trim your plants. SMFH
fuckin timewaster.... no follow up video
Reliable Hydroponics what brand Chinese light did u use a
Your led is too close to the plant, that is why you get monsters plants or too much veg
than what happened ? they did grow fine ?
Not really. We have done lots of follow up videos, check them out.
Reliable Hydroponics send me the link please
so what happened , ended up the same didn't it , just like that sorry excuse for a plant
you only want blue and red spectrum for growing. anything in between is a waist and a waist in par rating.
I bought Mars Hydro lights and in under a year they all have major issues, whole panel of LED's burn out, power supply problems, one of the lights had broken fans in it, circuit board melted, the worst is the company gave me the run around, had me send the lights to some joker had already determined without opening the light, that they were unfixable and it was my fault, The company gave me every excuse and tried to blame me, they say something and then change their minds, they even admitted its their fault but still refuses to honor their warranty. Worst company I have ever dealt with. Made in China ! You get what you pay for !!!! cheap price cheap lights !!!
but they know how to make money, haha
So what happened? which one won?
I'd say neither at this point. We had a faulty Kind LED vs a monster veg LED that made masses of burnt leaves. I doubt all the distance from canopy figures that we had, the LED's would be best high up or on a light rail IMO.
I think the answer is CFL as far as you can then HPS, unless you have the height to go with LED. We will be testing COB's later in the year from an Irish Manufacturer!
Regardless, I would have liked to see the end result, even if it was a disaster. This business with LEDs needs to be worked out.
Both won
check these out- they look like another brand in the market already- maybe this is the supplier www.sunplususa.com/p6-info
not the same lamp. The Sun Plus p6 smashes Kind. Ive had both
can't hear you. at all. can't make out a damn word.
neither light is giving us a neutral read... throws off everything... look I get your making the claims the Chinese light is worse or better than the other light but who's to say either of the lights are decent at all... you need a neutral .."something proven to give a premium LED experience ,giving a proper standard to hold ALL LED lights to "I'd recommend anything from COB leds" otherwise you could be comparing a crappy light to an even crappier light nobody knows
and I could be wrong but I run my LEDs 10 - 14 inches over my plants...it's usually recommended..
KIND LED blows cfl and hps away I know I am using one in sync with a hps grower of the exact same strain quality is another level in comparison
If you want the best light for the money its only one place to go thats marshdro they tell you up front true output wattage and the best I have ever delt with they are the only ones I'll buy lights from, just awesome people to deal with and I have bought a many of lights from them and will be buying more .
haha,haha
U can git led lights on wish
Check my grow tent 1st time
You should branch out to reliable microphones also because I cant hear a fucking thing your saying im sorry.
We talk through our hearts my friend.
Lower them lights man
so one is 300w and one is 600w? how the fuck can you possibly compare the two? what a ridiculous video. 300w HPS?!?
i used a chinese led
.it lasted the grow stage then it was only of use for the bin .it was made of plastic and wzs returned to plastic heaven....dont try to save money mu idvise is u get what u pau for so do not buy chinese it will cost u in the long run.joki
maxsisun
Lower that light
Burns the tips when we do.
This is complete bullshit in so many ways lol. Kind is nothing more than a rebranded chinese Apollo. Still no name drivers, still epistar/bridgelux diodes.
Justintime2Grow Network are top bin epistar, epiled, and bridgelux diodes supposedly not good?
They're not top bin anything. They're just regular ass cheap diodes. None of those brands you listed make high end 3w/5w diodes. Go look at cree and osram if you want higher end diodes. COBs are the new hotness though.
Justintime2Grow Network I actually do have lights that are all Cree so I agree and am familiar with cree and osram but to say there's no such thing as top bin LEDs or a difference in quality throughout companies in the industry is a lie my friend. Just like cob technology that's why there are cob units that are $100 and there are cob units that are $1,000 because the same thing applies there in terms of the quality of the cob used. I was building LED lights 15 years ago while I was getting my degree in electronics technology so I would say I'm more than familiar with this thanks for the response my friend and happy growing
15 years ago LED tech was nothing so who cares what you did? You could have been building light brights for all I know. You think that's going to impress me? Nope, it impresses yourself which really does nothing. Mental masturbation. It's always funny when people try to use their "experience" in technology. Technology changes and what you knew a few years ago isn't even worth anything now. I don't give a damn what you did 15 years ago COB tech is today. And no there aren't $100 cob units and $1000 cob units that take the same power and are different "bins" you obviously don't know a whole lot about them.
You're putting words in my mouth as well so you obviously don't even understand what I said. I don't have time to educate you on the many things wrong with what you just said (with your self righteous attitude and false sense of knowledge I doubt it would help) and you're not paying me to do so. Cheers bud.
Justintime2Grow Network make no mistake impressing you is of no importance to me and your defensive nature immediately shows you're embarrassing lack of knowledge not the lack of time to explain it stupid fuks will be stupid fuks don't be scared of Education.
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