Blown Away: Tolar, New Mexico, 1944

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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @-jeff-
    @-jeff- Год назад +116

    I remember it was once said to me, "Safety is a relative term since it only applies when nothing happens."

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 Год назад +17

      It's also said that "all safety regulations are written in blood".

    • @tracytrawick322
      @tracytrawick322 Год назад +3

      You live, and hopefully, learn.
      But this was war time.
      Still no excuse.
      See the USS Indianapolis story.
      Normally, no one event creates a disaster. More often, it's a series of events that leads to the disaster. Line up those holes in the Swiss cheese!

    • @greaseman01
      @greaseman01 Год назад +2

      ​@@tracytrawick322facts

    • @_Ben___
      @_Ben___ Год назад +4

      It's the hardest part of my job. No one notices when I'm doing it well. But if I do it poorly, well everyone will know.

  • @otpyrcralphpierre1742
    @otpyrcralphpierre1742 Год назад +65

    A "Forgotten" town and "Forgotten" History, brought back in Memory by The History Guy.
    Excellent report, Dear Sir!

  • @clazy8
    @clazy8 Год назад +60

    This was a fantastic episode, exactly the kind of deeply significant history that would be forgotten except for the efforts of the history guy.

  • @JohnDavies-cn3ro
    @JohnDavies-cn3ro Год назад +58

    We had something similar in Britain, not too long before this in the same year - a wagon in a train load of bombs caught fire approaching the town of Soham, in Norfolk. The engine crew, realising the danger, uncoupled the wagon and did their best to run it clear of the town; when it exploded it obliterated the station and did immense damage. Had it not been for the immense courage of Driver Gimbert and Fireman Nighthall, who stayed with their engine, it is quite possible that the whole town could have been destroyed. Both men received the George Cross, our highest civilian award for bravery, althoug, sadly, Nighthall didn't live to receive it.

    • @_eusty
      @_eusty Год назад +3

      Never heard of this before! Thanks for the insight 😊
      Soham is in Cambridgeshire though... 😔

    • @garymartin9777
      @garymartin9777 Год назад +5

      You've still got a huge problem with that ammunition ship sunk in the River Thames. The one marked as a hazard but no one will get rid of.

    • @timprussell
      @timprussell Год назад

      I'd not heard of that, probably because it was in wartime. I think the Halifax Explosion was the largest wartime accident with munitions and explosives in a populated area. 1917 two ships collided in the harbor narrows. One was a fully laden munitions ship. It caught fire and drifted toward a pier on the Halifax side and exploded with the force of 2.9 Kilotons of TNT. One of the heroic tales that came out of that was a RR dispatcher stayed at his post and telegraphed to stop trains including a passenger train with 300 people that would have been close to the piers had it not been held.

  • @a-a-ronbrowser1486
    @a-a-ronbrowser1486 Год назад +26

    I grew up in New Mexico, I'm amazed I have never heard this story… you sir, are keeping history alive.

  • @JohnPaul-ii
    @JohnPaul-ii Год назад +71

    Never know what’s being carried on those trains passing through your town, till something bad happens.

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 Год назад +6

      Look up the 1973 explosion in Roseville, CA; a suburb of Sacramento. It destroyed the Southern Pacific rail yard there as well as parts of Roseville. They were still finding unexploded bombs 20-25 years later.

    • @kimlground206
      @kimlground206 Год назад +2

      A truck load of rockets bound for Vietnam rolled over in the mousetrap. None of them blew up. I knew the guy driving the truck - he got fired.

    • @Prolificposter
      @Prolificposter Год назад +2

      Never know what’s being carried on trucks passing through your town until something happens - more frequent than railroad accidents.

    • @kimhohlmayer7018
      @kimhohlmayer7018 Год назад +1

      The derailment in East Palestine, Ohio was a perfect example of disasters with scary materials being carried through populated areas by train. That was a half hour from me! Unnerving!

    • @garywagner2466
      @garywagner2466 Год назад +3

      Sure. Until they invent teleportation or Star Trek transporter technology, materials still have to be moved from where they are made to where they are used. Most towns and cities were built on roads, railways and / or waterways for that reason. Many urban areas were allowed to build right up to the railroad right-of-way, including residential housing for workers who relied on the commercial and industrial activity that railways generated. A bit late for NIMBY hand wringing now.

  • @Toadfox1
    @Toadfox1 Год назад +64

    While this was a horrific explosion, and came in the shadow of the deadliest war in human history, I’m still excited that the History Guy is shedding light on the history of my home county. Just too bad it had to be about the Tolar explosion.

    • @andywomack3414
      @andywomack3414 Год назад +7

      I have had a fascination with and have studied history for most of my life. History Guy is one of my favorite sources.

    • @oldsguy354
      @oldsguy354 Год назад +10

      I live near the town of Tolar Texas, and this was the first time I've heard it mentioned as the namesake of another town. I promise, Tolar Texas isn't much larger today than Tolar New Mexico was during the war.

    • @frankturrentine
      @frankturrentine Год назад +10

      When I was 21 years old I purchased 27 acres just south of highway 4 between Lipan and Santo down a little gravel road at the entrance of which was a road sign that read Tolar 2. That was in 1984. I got rid of the place four or five years later because my father had purchased a much nicer place on the banks of the Brazos just east of there. But I remember riding my tractor from his place to mine to work on my driveway and to make other improvements on my land. It was quite a long trip on that old David Brown with an ice chest full of IBC root beer. But as a result of those experiences, the town of Tolar Texas has always stuck in my mind. Many years later I discovered that there was a punk rock group in Dallas fort Worth who called themselves Tolar after the town. While I doubt that many history guy, fans would have enjoyed their music, I always got a kick out of the fact that at least someone else was aware of the existence of that tiny little burg and celebrated it in some form or fashion. And as I sit here in my house in Olathe, Colorado, 40 years later, I am struck by the tiny points of correspondence for what would seem to be minutiae to anyone else, but figure in my own mind in a disproportionately large way. This little town had effects far beyond its geographical limits and greater and even than the connections of the people who actually live there since neither myself nor I think the members of that band ever actually set foot in tolar itself.

    • @oldsguy354
      @oldsguy354 Год назад +4

      @@frankturrentine I don't know how more people are unfamiliar with Tolar Texas, it HAS to be the 3rd or 4th largest metro area in western Hood county. ;)

    • @flashgordon6670
      @flashgordon6670 Год назад +1

      Great comment. It would be very strange for a band to come up with that name, if they didn’t have some connection, wouldn’t it?

  • @leepedersen7759
    @leepedersen7759 Год назад +7

    My grandmother was Mrs HH Smith mentioned @ 9:40 was the postmaster. Her mom was Mrs. Harris @ 7:15 I have heard the story many times and have visited the “homestead” a few times. Thanks for the memories and bringing this story to light!

  • @elosogonzalez8739
    @elosogonzalez8739 Год назад +1

    Having grown up in New Mexico, I've been through Tolar, NM several times. There are residents there today, but not many.
    During the Vietnam war, a trail carrying weapons exploded in the California town of ROSEVILLE. My Aunts and Uncles worked for the Southern Pacific at the time. I saw the area where the explosion took place, the devastation was mind boggling. I wish I had known about what happened at Tolar when I went through there. Thank God for The History Guy for saving the history that we ne to remember and never forget. THANKS!

  • @koryhawkins1499
    @koryhawkins1499 Год назад +10

    The Wife Here
    Finally, Finally someone talks about my state of NM and the ghost town of Tolar, NM's history since it has been forgotten and it really isn't talked about even when history is being taught and New Mexico also, rarely teaches it's history in American history. Just the basics that any state learns about NM.
    I am Happy that You History Guy remembers history that needs to be remembered.
    New Mexico has a lot of history that nobody really remembers.

    • @Guangrui
      @Guangrui Год назад

      where the Trinity Test was conducted

    • @koryhawkins1499
      @koryhawkins1499 Год назад +1

      @@Guangrui
      The Trinity Test was in Almagordo, NM
      Which makes sense because Tolar is only 3-4 hours away.

    • @koryhawkins1499
      @koryhawkins1499 Год назад +1

      @@Guangrui The Trinity test was conducted in Almagordo, New Mexico
      Maybe affected the town of Tolar since it is 4-hours away(roughly)
      New Mexico does not speak or teach about the town of Tolar.
      Only the ones that were directly involved in the Manhattan project.
      They do mention that Albuquerque could see the Light from the blast.
      And it is further away from the Trinity test sight
      Which is a bombing range out in the middle of nowhere in Almagordo.

    • @koryhawkins1499
      @koryhawkins1499 Год назад +1

      The Town of Tolar was just a travel through town and the first test at Trinity was months before the explosion at the town of Tolar. The
      Trinity test was in May and the accident in Tolar was in November.
      Either way they don't talk about Tolar.
      New Mexico had over 400 dead ghost towns
      They don't talk about them
      They don't talk much about their own history.
      They only talk about the history that is only mentioned that is basic and everyone knows.
      You want history you have to speak to people who were alive during that time or you are not learning anything.
      That why I love the History Guy.

    • @KD5XB
      @KD5XB Год назад +1

      @@koryhawkins1499 The Trinity Site is 60+ miles from Alamogordo. If it had been in Alamogordo there's be even less left than in Tolar!
      The Site is about 33 miles west of Carrizozo, NM.

  • @phillipbuechner9809
    @phillipbuechner9809 Год назад +11

    My home town, Roseville, CA, experienced a similar incident on April 28, 1973. I was 19 and was awakened by a loud explosion on a Saturday morning. Roseville was close to two AFB's, McClellan and Mather, and I assumed a plane had crashed. Roseville back then was the biggest switching yard west of Chicago and life still revolved around working for the Southern Pacific or the Pacific Fruit Express. A train going out of town developed, as in your story, a hot box. The train was carrying many tons of bombs that were destined for Vietnam. The train was no more than a couple of miles from my home. As the first explosion was followed by more it was obvious it wasn't a plane crash. My dad, who worked for the Southern Pacific, learned what was happening. My family was "shirttail relatives" with the then mayor of Roseville who had flown over the site and gave us more information. The small town of Antelope, CA, adjacent to the blasts, simply ceased to exist; wiped off the map. I took a drive through the area shortly after it was all cleared up. I had roamed all through the area as a kid and knew it well. I was amazed by what I saw. There was a large grove of oak trees that had to have been near 100 years old or more. They were very stout and healthy trees with thick branches as old oaks can have. It was very eerie to drive past them and see how the explosions had twisted the trees into strange and unnatural positions. It took my breath away. We had to evacuate from our home for the rest of the day and returned on Sunday afternoon. It was quite a memorable day when we came under shelling for a brief time. It brought Vietnam home in a more visceral way than I'd thought possible.

    • @timpassmore7455
      @timpassmore7455 Год назад +1

      I was going to mention Roseville too. I was stationed at Mather at the time, and could hear it plainly from there about 12 miles away. I had gone to college near an Army tank and artillery training ground and recognized the sound, but I couldn't figure out where the explosions could possibly be happening. It was only when I went to the BX a while later and the checkout clerk asked me if I'd heard it that I learned what I had heard.

    • @getsmarter5412
      @getsmarter5412 Год назад

      I was 14, bowling in a league at UC Davis. The bowling alley was underground, we could hear the bombs clearly!

  • @KD5XB
    @KD5XB Год назад +22

    @TheHistoryGuyChannel The marker was put up in 2014. Before that, there was a time with no marker there, and before that, a marker for Stinking Springs, which was apparently just across the railroad from the marker, and reportedly the place where Billy the Kid surrendered to Pat Garrett on Christmas Eve 1880. Today, there is another place north of Gallup about 300 miles away called Stinking Springs.
    Tolar today has two or three homes and not much else. Interesting to note that people actually went to Melrose to shop. You'd be hard-pressed to shop for anything in Melrose today, other than in a convenience store, Fortunately, there are two places to buy fuel there now, along with a place to get tires repaired.
    Most people who live in this area (I live in Clovis) know the story of the "ammunition train exploding", and there is a report that they heard the explosion all the way up in Ima, New Mexico, some 30+ miles due north!

  • @Doubledragger
    @Doubledragger Год назад +1

    I'm from Clovis, and my grandmother and aunt worked at the News Journal for years, i remember hearing about that growing up. Thanks for this episode, like you said, "it deserves to be remembered".

  • @26betsam
    @26betsam Год назад +9

    Same event happened on 28 April 1973 in Antelope, CA just south of Roseville, CA. Bearing overheat set a box car on fire which was loaded with bombs destine for Vietnam. Pretty much wiped out Antelope.

  • @umberct
    @umberct Год назад +3

    I’ve been a fan of The History Guy Channel for years. Very well done and obscure and sometimes not obscure, but casting new light on an old topic where not everything has been shown.

  • @RetiredSailor60
    @RetiredSailor60 Год назад +14

    Good Wednesday morning History Guy and everyone watching.

  • @Xaa1962
    @Xaa1962 Год назад +2

    Portales resident, here. Quite appreciate the accuracy in historical accounts of our area.

  • @CplEthane
    @CplEthane Год назад +7

    My father was a conductor on the BNSF rail line that runs through Tolar. I've personally driven through Tolar hundreds of times. I also thought I had a real grasp of the history of that region, but apparently not. This is the first I've ever heard of it.

  • @henryrodgers1752
    @henryrodgers1752 Месяц назад

    Although I am a native of El Paso, Texas, I worked for 34 years in New Mexico, including 5 years in Clovis, *yet I had never heard of the Tolar explosion.* Thanks for the valuable education, Lance.

  • @JamesGoetzke
    @JamesGoetzke Год назад +1

    Train accidents wire me. I live in Butler Pennsylvania in a highrise for old people. I'm 62. Veterans and old people living here at Terrace apartments overlooking the train tracks and the creek. 12 times a day the train horn blows. Our building shakes a bit and it's every day life. But yesterday at about 4:25 am the train whistle blew and ran over a 55 year old man. Right out my window. They took him to Butler Memorial Hospital where he subsequently died. I love trains but I'll always remember yesterday. That's my history worth remembering. Prayers for him. Name not released yet till family is notified. Coal and steel country here. Those lines are important to us... but accidents stay sad forever.

    • @Gail1Marie
      @Gail1Marie Год назад

      Sorry you had to witness that. And yes, it does stay with you. I still have vivid memories of a plane crash I witnessed over 50 years ago.

  • @deetrvl4life875
    @deetrvl4life875 Год назад +8

    These are the kinds of videos I love most. So many many towns and people history in the US that definitely 'deserves to be remembered'! Thank you! ❤

  • @brentjenkinsdesigns
    @brentjenkinsdesigns Год назад +3

    I always look forward to this show. It's even helped to improve a work place relationship where 2 guys have found their love of history more important than our selfish arguments. So, Thank you very much!!

  • @CodyShell
    @CodyShell Год назад +4

    I'm from New Mexico, born and raised. I've never even heard of this story before!

  • @dogofthedesert6642
    @dogofthedesert6642 Год назад +4

    I’ve lived in New Mexico for years, and didn’t know about the Tolar explosion until this moment. Than you, History Guy!

  • @mattmarkowski909
    @mattmarkowski909 Год назад +1

    Lived in Portales for over six years before moving to Albuquerque. I made that drive more than a dozen times and never knew this happened. That explains the historical marker that I passed every time. Thank you for the history lesson of such a little known place. I always enjoy learning something new. Especially something so close to home.

  • @bretamcclanahan7920
    @bretamcclanahan7920 Год назад +3

    Outstanding History Guy. Lots of history in New Mexico. This was one of your best.

  • @svenskanorsk
    @svenskanorsk Год назад +5

    Best channel on RUclips

  • @glynnetolar4423
    @glynnetolar4423 Год назад +15

    Didn't know there was a Tolar New Mexico.
    And thank you History Guy for pronouncing Tolar correctly.
    Also, could you do the New London School explosion. My grandfather helped with the rescue. I have pictures of the event, if you'd like.

  • @tomclark82
    @tomclark82 Год назад

    I grew up in Portales, born 1952, and through the years heard part of this story. Thanks for putting it together in a very informative and entertaining manner!

  • @teddrewry6001
    @teddrewry6001 Год назад

    I heard this story many years ago. I retired from BN&SF which included the old AT&SF Railroad. I've spent more time than I wanted in Tolar working on the track. I never did actually find where the explosion occurred. Thank you for giving a more detailed and complete explanation.

  • @alanroberts3153
    @alanroberts3153 Год назад +4

    Very well done and you even pronounce Portales correctly. Amazing that only one person was killed. Unfortunately, that stretch of highway from Melrose to Fort Sumner has claimed several lives in traffic accidents. Be safe when traveling that road.

  • @khkartc
    @khkartc Год назад +4

    My youngest daughter and her family live in San Antonio, and the best way to drive to see her from Albuquerque is to go through Lubbock, a route that includes that stretch of road between Ft. Sumner and Clovis. I’m sure I’ll take more note of Tolar the next time we pass through.

  • @gypsyboomer
    @gypsyboomer Год назад +5

    I may be among the few who have seen the Tolar Monument. I was casual traveling on US 60 last year and just happened to see it. Wondered about it but didn't know much about it until now. Thanks.

    • @ACME_Kinetics
      @ACME_Kinetics Год назад +2

      The historical marker is a waypoint "portal" in a mobile game called Ingress, so I'd say at least... a half a dozen of us Ingress players have stopped there.

  • @ElbowDeepInAHorse
    @ElbowDeepInAHorse Год назад +25

    It's hard to fathom how vastly destructive an explosion this size is. Literally hurls the atmosphere you breathe through your life like a physical wall.

    • @joesteele9480
      @joesteele9480 Год назад +2

      Thank you good story.

    • @camberweller
      @camberweller Год назад +2

      Well stated.

    • @USS_Grey_Ghost
      @USS_Grey_Ghost Год назад +1

      Does it also liquefy your organs

    • @thunderbird1921
      @thunderbird1921 Год назад +1

      It is an absolute miracle only one man was killed by this. If this occurred in a bigger town, hundreds might have died. Do they still transport bombs on the ground, or are they moved by aircraft now?

    • @Gail1Marie
      @Gail1Marie Год назад

      I'm sure ordinance is shipped both on rail and via the interstate highway system. My husband and I were driving through Wyoming when we encountered an Air Force convoy moving what were obviously nuclear warheads. There were two helicopters and a gunship overhead, plus numerous military vehicles surrounding it. Personified the term "armed to the teeth."@@thunderbird1921

  • @cobrakaistudios
    @cobrakaistudios Год назад

    So awesome to hear this story my wife is a decendant of mr jesse brown who sadly passed in this event i got here this story from her family who still owns a peice of this land in tolar

  • @craigbundrant
    @craigbundrant Год назад +2

    Had heard some of the story from my grandparents back in the 80's. One set lived in Portales, one in Melrose. Used to go through Tolar and Taiban on the way to Fort Sumner. Now I know the rest.

  • @abc-coleaks-info
    @abc-coleaks-info Год назад +3

    I’ve been through that area numerous times and can confirm. Tumbleweeds and dust. The only thing I’ve seen thriving is antelope and a couple deer and rabbits. It’s crazy to think people are living out there but having lived in cities and then out in the countryside it’s easy to see what keeps them there. Lonely and beautiful for it.

  • @LGR605
    @LGR605 Год назад +6

    Interesting.
    Good stuff Lance.
    Remembering where you were in life at certain points is always a benchmark of history as we remember it.

  • @romad357
    @romad357 Год назад

    I see there were a bunch of us who remember the similar incident in Roseville, CA back on April 28, 1973.
    When it happened I was living in Rancho Cordova 15 miles south of Roseville. My father and I drove up there, picked up my grandmother and brought her down to our place. I was stationed at McClellan AFB in the communications unit as a ground radio repairman. The base's emergency command post vehicle was dispatched to Roseville but ended up having radio problems so they needed someone to look at it. That afternoon, when they couldn't contact the repairman on standby duty (he lived in the Roseville area and telephone service was affected), they contacted me. I drove to McClellan, grabbed my tool bag and reported to Base Operations. There they put me in a Huey and flew me to Roseville, where we orbited the site before landing. Unfortunately I couldn't fix the radio as the command post vehicle had radios designed for use in planes and I not only wasn't trained on them but didn't even have access to the repair manuals. All I could tell them that it wasn't repairable on site and would have to be taken back to the base.

  • @josephhoag2366
    @josephhoag2366 Год назад +1

    Thank you, History Guy. You're doing important work.

  • @magnificus8581
    @magnificus8581 Год назад +2

    I think this might be the first time I heard a model railroad magazine quoted in a standard history research video and that makes me very happy.

  • @ranchobob48
    @ranchobob48 Год назад +1

    My "Santa Fe" railfan friend and I drove from Flagstaff , where he was in school at NAU, to Kansas City (my hometown) in 1968. Chuck wanted to shoot the ATSF along the "cutoff" from Belen through NM (Mountainaire, Vaughn, etc) and on through Oklahoma. We stopped in Tolar and he regaled me with the story of the 1944 explosion. We poked around and found a chunk of a Bettendorf truck sideframe about 500 yards from where the explosion occurred. Coincidental - maybe or maybe from the big bang! Thanks for the story.

  • @garywagner2466
    @garywagner2466 Год назад

    Good one. Thanks for posting these little known stories.

  • @HiramEvans-y3e
    @HiramEvans-y3e Год назад +3

    Travelled through Tolar, NM at least twice and had no idea what happened there; will search out the site next time I pass through! Always learn something for you.

  • @waltonwarrior7428
    @waltonwarrior7428 Год назад

    I’ve never heard of this event before. This is why I love the History Guy’s videos. Always gonna learn something new.

  • @charlayned
    @charlayned Год назад +4

    I had heard of Toler, but it was from searching records for family who had settled in Roosevelt county. I grew up over the line in Amarillo. Great to know what happened to it. Thanks!

  • @J.A.Smith2397
    @J.A.Smith2397 Год назад +2

    Love Mondays, Wednesday, n Fridays!

  • @CDRaff
    @CDRaff Год назад +1

    Wowza... I am from New Mexico, and have taken several college level courses about the history of the state but have never heard of this.

  • @MichaelLloyd
    @MichaelLloyd Год назад +1

    I've passed through Tolar many times over the years, including about a week ago. There's an old church in Taiban that was pretty photogenic. It's slowly but surely fading away. I've never stopped to look at the marker. I will now that I know it exists :)

    • @bizjetfixr8352
      @bizjetfixr8352 Год назад

      Back in 2007, I drove thru this area on the way to Artesia.
      Talk about "not the end of the Earth, but you can see it from there".
      We drove the state highway that goes from southwest of Fort Sumpter, to the highway junction just north of Roswell. 60 miles, +/- Didn't see a single vehicle during the whole stretch.

  • @KennethDurham-e5q
    @KennethDurham-e5q 7 месяцев назад +1

    I passed through here many times from 1961 to now and never knew the story. Always thought of it as a farm town with times gone bad and probably was once a railroad stop. Another sad story of towns on US 60. Still not as bad as the Dawson NM story.

  • @LuckyBaldwin777
    @LuckyBaldwin777 Год назад

    I remember as a kid during the Vietnam War, an explosives train blew up in the railyard in Roseville, CA. Houses near the railyard were knocked off their foundations, and windows were blown out of houses miles away. It was quite the scene.

  • @samiam5557
    @samiam5557 Год назад +2

    1st time I heard of this event. Thanx Mr. History Guy.

  • @tundramanq
    @tundramanq Год назад +2

    I have driven that road between Ft. Sumner and Clovis 20-30 times over the years. Just barely recall Tolar as one of the wide spots in the road. May have to stop and poke around next time.

  • @jrkorman
    @jrkorman Год назад

    I've known about Tolar for some years as my wife's father is from Melrose; he and his brothers used to go the the bar in Taiban in the late 1940s. It always surprised me that some of those small towns ever existed at all.

  • @uralbob1
    @uralbob1 Год назад +1

    Great episode! Thank you!

  • @mattgeorge90
    @mattgeorge90 Год назад +1

    Thank you for sharing!

  • @APerchOfPillows
    @APerchOfPillows Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for these videos

  • @ianrobertsonpiano
    @ianrobertsonpiano Год назад +1

    I think @Part-Time Explorer needs to do an episode on this town! Thanks for the fascinating story!

  • @proudvirginian
    @proudvirginian Год назад +12

    I'm guessing, having driven through there, Tolar still looks exactly the way it did after the debris was cleared up.

    • @paulm749
      @paulm749 Год назад +4

      Find Tolar on Google Maps street view. Quite a few old damaged/dilapidated structures along the highway there. But being that this incident occurred so long ago, it's hard to say if their condition is due to abandonment and lack of upkeep or the train explosion; it might be a combination of the two factors.

    • @richardsanjose3692
      @richardsanjose3692 Год назад +3

      This made me wish I could travel there with my metal detector from california

  • @donaldpereira2652
    @donaldpereira2652 Год назад +1

    Remember the Naval Weapon Station, Port Chicago, California...a US Navy ammunition ship exploded, and blew up the loaded ship across the pier. All thats left of the base are the piers, some newer weapons handling facilities, and streets and sidewalks.

  • @richwhitaker1506
    @richwhitaker1506 Год назад +7

    Reminds me of Lewis, Indiana railroad explosion. Believe it was postwar. Entire town was leveled.

  • @constipatedinsincity4424
    @constipatedinsincity4424 Год назад +7

    Back in the Saddle Again Naturally

  • @moocowdad
    @moocowdad Год назад

    havent seen mrs history guy in a long time enjoyed your collaboration

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Год назад

      Sadly, we are no longer together, and she is no longer involved in the channel.

  • @b1646717
    @b1646717 Год назад +2

    I was a conductor on freight trains that ran through Tolar.

    • @KD5XB
      @KD5XB Год назад

      Back in the 1990s, did you ever see a white Dodge Caravan covered with antennas? That was me!

  • @Ztex
    @Ztex Год назад +1

    I've been to Tolar... dryed up wide spot in the road for sure.

  • @deguello66
    @deguello66 Год назад +2

    I live in New Mexico and I'd never heard of this.

  • @andyhastings5950
    @andyhastings5950 Год назад +1

    An Event that would be perfect for your interest would be the huge explosion at Port Chicago when one ship originally blew up which set off a second Victory/Libery ships. My mother observed the pressure wave in her house over 50 miles away.
    But the history that screams for a telling. After the mess was cleared up several of the sailor Longshore men refused to go back to work until they received the proper training to handle explosives. This didn't go over well with the Navy instituted Muntiny charges. I'll let you research the whole incident. I'll help as much as I can as I've been researching this off and on for 50 years.

  • @guywerry6614
    @guywerry6614 Год назад +2

    If you haven't already done one it would be interesting to see you do a video covering the Halifax explosion of 1917, which this story brings to my mind.

  • @elcastorgrande
    @elcastorgrande Год назад

    Deserves to be remembered.

  • @SirensC3
    @SirensC3 Год назад

    This happened in Roseville California when I was a kid in the early 70’s. The train was carrying bombs and blew up. It was devastating. Blew the windows out of my parents house.

  • @UnconsciousCompetence
    @UnconsciousCompetence Год назад

    This is why it is important to always check and service your wheel bearings.

  • @ed056
    @ed056 Год назад

    Your endings always remind me of the end of the great story teller, Paul Harvey's, line: "And now you know the rest of the story"

  • @russwoodward8251
    @russwoodward8251 Год назад +1

    A great story. Thanks again!

  • @dugroz
    @dugroz Год назад

    Everyone just went by their initials back then.
    Sincerely, Mr. D.R. Dugroz

  • @kevinbarry71
    @kevinbarry71 Год назад +8

    On the plus side; it saved several people from having to eat corned beef from a can

    • @JeffreyGlover65
      @JeffreyGlover65 Год назад

      Well played 😎

    • @AlphaGeekgirl
      @AlphaGeekgirl Год назад

      🤣

    • @Gail1Marie
      @Gail1Marie Год назад +1

      If you were sitting in a jungle or in North Africa and corned beef was all that you got, you'd be grateful for it.

    • @jul1440
      @jul1440 Год назад +1

      That was anti-Nazi fuel for our boys.

  • @robertsmith6124
    @robertsmith6124 Год назад +1

    I'd love for you to cover the four corners history

  • @rexmyers991
    @rexmyers991 Год назад +1

    Another EXCELLENT video

  • @BasicDrumming
    @BasicDrumming Год назад

    I appreciate you and thank you for making content.

  • @jo3k1ck455
    @jo3k1ck455 Год назад +1

    I never knew about that town and I've passed by it several times on highway 60.

  • @brothertheo2677
    @brothertheo2677 Год назад +1

    I heard there was a similar event at the Roseville yard in California. Years later they were maintaining the track and found bombs buried from the explosions.

  • @davidraines1380
    @davidraines1380 Год назад +2

    I lived in the area for several years and never heard of it

  • @billdougan4022
    @billdougan4022 Год назад

    Years ago, my aunt was a Postmaster in Olive Branch, Mississippi, she referred to her as Postmistress. referring @9:41

  • @DougGrinbergs
    @DougGrinbergs Год назад +1

    11:05 historical marker near MM 344 on NM Highway 60 / 84. Added marker to OpenStreetMap and linked to some articles from Tolar Wikipedia page.

  • @TallDude73
    @TallDude73 Год назад +6

    And the guy who died did so because he was watching the fire instead of running away. The Halifax munitions ship explosion killed hundreds in 1917, by the way. But that's Canada, and WW1. ;)

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Год назад +5

      The Halifax Explosion and the Boston Christmas Tree
      ruclips.net/video/_Uu6GULBKVM/видео.html

    • @billsanders5067
      @billsanders5067 Год назад

      Google the Texas City Monsanto explosion 1947.

  • @constipatedinsincity4424
    @constipatedinsincity4424 Год назад +7

    That's a very sad ending, 😢 in more ways than 1!

  • @neilperry2224
    @neilperry2224 Год назад +6

    London is sitting with a time bomb in the river thames.
    A ship loaded to the gunnals with high explosive shells, and other forms of ammunition.
    And on a recent inspection, it isn't looking good for the ship, it's said if it goes up, it will decimate a good few miles of the river side and heavily damage anything in the river. 😢😮

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Год назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/wP1kq9H7TYg/видео.htmlsi=Asq8x2zZ6G1WNpZ7

    • @AlphaGeekgirl
      @AlphaGeekgirl Год назад +1

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannel I just went to go watch that video from six years ago and you look younger now than you did then!

  • @morg52
    @morg52 Год назад +1

    The bearing that failed on the rail car, was likely the result of the "cotton waste" that is placed inside the journal bearing box to help oil coat the axle. Often a piece of the cotton waste would get lodged against the babbitt of the journal bearing cap. This would cause the bearing to be deprived of lubricating oil. The end of the axle would get very hot and boil out all the oil, maybe start the cotton waste on fire. The guy in the caboose it supposed to be watching out for this, with his post up in the cupula. Eventually the end of the axle gets so hot that it looses, structural stability and causes a derailment when the wheelset, is no longer able to stay in the correct alignment to roll on the rails. With modern roller bearings and hot bearing detectors at intervals on the rail lines, the hot box is mostly a thing of the past. It still needs to be watched though. The recent derailment in Ohio is proof of that.

    • @richardsanjose3692
      @richardsanjose3692 Год назад

      Noe thats a railroad mans perspective and bery interesting info to hear. Thank u sir. Now we even have a good idea what happened when the caboose guy fell asleep.

  • @ltdees2362
    @ltdees2362 Год назад +1

    This for sure dusted off my old brain cells as I was stationed at Cannon Air Force base just outside of Clovis .. Tolar was about 50 miles west on Hwy 60 from the base .. literally the middle of f'ing nowhere with a few rotting structures and tumbleweed. But moreover, there was an historical maker along with a piece of the trains undercarriage at the intersection of Hwy 60 and Roswell Rd, where Tolar use to be .. The marker explains what happened there November 1944 .. It's difficult to imagine anyone living in that shit-pile, god forsaken place !!
    And yes, heading south off 60 on Roswell Rd at that intersection, you will head right into Area 51. There is a bombing and gunnery range there were Air Force pilots trained dropping "live" bombs. Cannon AFB was the staging area for those aircraft and pilots deploying to Vietnam .. I was a life-support tech, maintaining the pilots flight gear. We were close nit, first name basis .. some of those pilots never came home 💔I made E-5 at Cannon, put on my Tech Sergeant stripes, no fanfare .. just get f'ked up at the nco club wondering when my number comes up for Nam...yeah 😎

  • @ricksaint2000
    @ricksaint2000 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you History Guy

  • @andywomack3414
    @andywomack3414 Год назад +3

    Love this story, if it involves trains or history I am hooked.
    I am impressed by how poorly those old news-paper photos translate in digital format. Might work better if colorized, giving them impressionistic qualities. Adds to the presentation, nonetheless.

    • @rustysteed8414
      @rustysteed8414 Год назад

      Most all of these photos had been transferred to microfilm, which is why the quality is so bad.

  • @MarshOakDojoTimPruitt
    @MarshOakDojoTimPruitt Год назад +1

    thanks

  • @karenstein8261
    @karenstein8261 Год назад

    In the same period there were at least two other incidents involving ammunition in transit.
    The port of Oakland suffered an ammunition ship explosion.
    Auburn, Ca., had an ammunition train explosion many times larger than the one discussed here.

  • @jimbeachler9165
    @jimbeachler9165 Год назад +1

    There's still a few ruins left at Tolar, though of course no one lives there. There is, however, a shady turnout with picnic tables for those needing a break on the drive from Ft. Sumner to Clovis. I know because I make that trip at least once a month...

  • @vaclavholek4497
    @vaclavholek4497 Год назад +9

    Hey History Guy, the name of the town Tolar, reminds me of the origin of the word Dollar, and its connection to the Czech mountain town of Jáchymov. Perhaps you could make a video about the "Dollar."
    BTW, many Czechs emmigrated to Texas, so it is not a surprise that there is a town named Tolar there.

    • @Yvolve
      @Yvolve Год назад +2

      Dollar comes from the Dutch "daalder" and originates in New Amsterdam, before the British took over and renamed it to New York. Many Dutch words have been anglicised, baas (boss), koekje (cookie) and more.
      New Amsterdam was the economic center of the (then) New World, as the VOC had a stake in the city. They had no interest in defending it though, nor did the Dutch government, or the traders living in New Amsterdam. When the British were at the gates, they told Peter Stuyvesant to surrender or they'd offer him to the British as a token of peace and a sacrifice. They'd rather have their business continue than to wage war, so the city was traded for land rights in South America (for the British) and East Timor for the Dutch. This is where nutmeg grew, which made the Dutch extremely rich.
      Until a British naval officer smuggled some seeds to India and killed the monopoly.

    • @vaclavholek4497
      @vaclavholek4497 Год назад +1

      @@Yvolve it's older than that. Dollar comes from the German name Tahler, which is what coins minted in Joachimsthal (which means St. Joachim's valley.) The world's first big silver mines were dug in the area around 1512. The coins minted in the town were first known as "Joachimsthalers" this name was shortened (around 1520) to "Tahlers" and were used throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Due to trade with Scandinavia, the Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish started minting coins and calling them "dalers." The Spanish Eight-Real coins (aka, Pieces-of-eight) were the same size and weight as the German Reichstahler, so US colonists started calling them "Spanish Dollars." When the US started minting it's own coins, the name "United States Dollar" or just "Dollar" stuck. The Dutch also got the name "daalder" from the German Reichstahler, minting their first "Kruisdaalder" in 1567.

    • @Yvolve
      @Yvolve Год назад +1

      @@vaclavholek4497 The direct predecessor to dollar is still daalder, which comes from tahler as you said but the spelling originates in the Netherlands. Tahler do dollar is not logical, daalder to dollar is.
      The American borrowed a lot from the Dutch, not only because there were thousands and thousands of Dutch immigrants. Besides a ton of words, the American constitution is in quite a large part based on the Dutch "Plakkaat der Verlatinghe" (the Declaration of Abjuration) which it used to secede from Spain.

  • @jeffhill4229
    @jeffhill4229 Год назад

    I moved to Clovis two months ago and work in Portales, so this was sure interesting to me!

  • @goodun2974
    @goodun2974 Год назад +2

    Since the area had a record number of windmills back then, and virtually nobody lives there now, perhaps it would be a good place to build wind and solar farms for electricity generation.

  • @danravenna2974
    @danravenna2974 Год назад

    Pictures of the ghost town would have been awesome. Good video, thanks!

  • @Aramis419
    @Aramis419 Год назад +1

    Kinda reminds me of the USS Mount Hood in New Guinea and Adm. Nimitz glossing over it - "The exigencies of war and acceptable risk."

  • @franksmedley7372
    @franksmedley7372 Год назад +3

    This story reminds us that War is hell, in more ways than the 'usual' meaning. War has its costs. Sometimes those farthest away from the front(s) pay the price. Although this was a tragedy that saw the demise of a small town, it is a lesson to us all. That war, and its associated industries can, and does, sometimes harm the innocent, and those farthest from the 'action'. This is History that is worth remembering. A cautionary tale of devastation that should remind us that if we should pursue war, that we have to also fanatically pursue safety for all involved... including those in the towns and cities that such harmful things my pass through. Also, we should remember just how 'lucky' America was in that event. Only one person died, when the cost could have been in the tens of thousands, had the blast occurred in a major city. So, 'War is Hell', and sometimes that hell reaches out to consume those that, for all their isolation from immediate harm, can be its victims. And thus, the story of Tolar should be remembered. For it could have been far, far worse.

  • @marvwatkins7029
    @marvwatkins7029 Год назад +1

    Regarding the opening statement: What about Pearl City?