Unbiased reporting is not possible. Everyone has a perspective. Everyone has to choose to report on some things and not others. Any news sources claiming to be "unbiased" is either fooling themselves or lying to you.
@@alexanderf8451 its almost as if people want to believe "what they want to believe at". Obviously this is not a news reporting site, rather it's an aggregator site. But that's really down to whether if one really have their mental will to actually compare the article they are fascinated with.
They seems want to make the prison as an belated society education center instead of making a better system for society as prevention. Or its just about money.. ..
Private Prisons, reminds me of that movie where Rambo tries to break out of prisions. Then he got put in a private prision in middle of the ocean. I honestly think that's a realistic thing, some group of rich people prob. own a ship or a island and send their enemies there.
NYC' average rent for a bachelor pad is 3700 per month, and that is in US dollars to add an even nastier sting to that price tag🫥 So, to hear that they are doing something like this doesn't surprise me, well, okay, it kind of does😱 My question is thought, why would they want to do this when it is only going to remain empty given NYCs notorious catch and release?🤦🏼
A giant, expensive and bureaucratic skyscraper that's actually a prison, built inefficiently at great taxpayer cost is a better symbol for NYC than the Statue of Liberty.
The problems for old facility are human rights violations, brutality, lack of staff etc, so pretty much everything related to poor management. So solution for that is.......... new building??? Ok.
To be fair, the facility is also falling apart and understaffed. A new facility addresses the maintenance issues and presumably includes features to make it easier to administer. But yes, a new building doesn't inherently solve the rest of that stuff.
@@RabbiYitzchakBenForeskinowitz Rest assured that they're not going to turn bn people into lampshades, but what's most likely going to happen is that there will be a influx of bn people in Chinatown which will cause an exponential rise in attacks on Asians because bn people just love assaulting Asian people for like no reason, as in they just push them under subways and stuff. Exact same issues with bn people in France, it's almost like there's an anthropologic misfit of sorts between them and Asians. This is a well known phenomenon and whoever👃🏻 decided to build that thing in Chinatown 100% knew what they were doing yet they did it anyway, for the fun of it.
They'll play chess with you if you're in a building that is tall enough to see into the yard. You just use a big piece of cardboard with your move written on it.
They proposed extending La Guardia airport to Rikers but that got shut down. Honestly it’s right next to an airport so it would probably be an annoying place to live.
@@QueenetBowie I don't know about that. They built the new Denver airport out in the middle of nowhere and now there are houses right up its @$$ hahaha
I finally looked up Rikers on a map. Guaranteed SOMEONE wants that real-estate. Even if they can't build skyscrapers, that is still a LOT of room for low-rise apartments. Like that one island at the south tip of Miami Beach.
Dystopian would be Little USA and Frenchtown in Beijing. Countries shouldn´t allow this nonsense. You are American now, are you not happy? Why do you indentify yourself as something else?
It's pretty Victorian in psychological oppressiveness, to have a giant, looming, dominating structure loudly reminding citizens of the power of the state and a system that all to often fails its people. Everytime the Justice system faces a critical pressure point like this, they use the redesign, or new, building to avoid making real changes; you can change the building all you want, the real issues can't be solved with brick and mortar.
Total exasperation with constant petty crime and general stupidity makes people donate towards a maximum Judge Dredd attitude. Over strained justice system is the fault of the criminals, not the system.
@spencerhardy8667 Not true. Counter productive punishment, disproportionate punishment, enforcement of the wrong laws, letting people accused of crime get out before their trial only if they're rich all contribute to overcrowding. By placing blame on the accused (not criminals) you are ignoring the justice systems responsibility to society to spend the taxpayers' money productively. I don't want my tax dollars wasted housing someone awaiting trial for an unpaid parking ticket.
@@smallcube-zn2mm , lol is that why in some areas, crime is rampant, there are piles of trash and infestations of rats where also a "shoebox" apartment costs two to three thousand dollars or more per month to rent.... Absolutely insane! I'd much rather live in a "less technologically advanced city" in that case where criminals are actually prosecuted, streets are kept clean, housing is NOT "in crisis" but is abundant, affordable and doesn't look like "China's stacked, multi-unit gov't housing facilities"....
To be fair, these inmates are going to be living the life. A manhatten apartment, with views of the trade centre and central park, free living, free food, free clothes. The cells are probably going to be bigger then some of the apartments I've seen in NYC
Good. There’s not nearly enough prison space in the US. Criminals in the US can steal everything from a store, run out, quickly sell it, get caught, and then be back on the streets in hours in prosecutors just let them off. The excuse is that “there isn’t enough jail space.” Let’s stop giving them excuses.
What’s dystopian is criminals having free rein over a city and being allowed to do multiple smash and grabs every day to the point that businesses all start fleeing because the criminals are just let out hours later. But I’m sure you don’t have any problem with that, just something actually being done about it, right?
@@conor7154 1. They never said build no prisons, the prison doesn't have to be built in the city 2. crime is on the downward trend 3. The USA has the highest prisoner population in the world, because of a lack of focus on rehabilitation meaning there is a very high recidivism rate. Focus on that would help out more than making a dystopian prison that your only excuse for being built is an emotional strawman.
@@ZedGames Little of column a little of column b. This is what happens when activism seeks symbolic achievement rather than more meaningful, but perhaps less satisfying achievements. Bail reform would be less sexy than closing Rykers, but more important in terms of both public safety and taxpayer accountability.
@@XandateOfHeavenprobably cause some activists don’t actually do their homework to see the benefits of protesting something other than what they are protesting now. It’s like the diary of the whimpy kid cast change, people attacked the new cast but never took a moment to think why the old cast was switched(people age dummies, this is what happens when the school system is terrible).
Perhaps that's the base capacity where every inmate has a cell to themselves, while triple capacity is within design and regulation. It does seem a drop in the bucket for what New York administrators have put upon the citizens, even are a jail for effectively temporary processing. It would process...a couple dozen thousand a year?
@@RamblingRodeo 2.75 million per prisoner. My university accommodation cost them as an average 40,000 per room and they were really nice rooms stick some barbed wire up and dig some ditches wouldn't increase the cost that much. The issue is the greed from the private prison industry.
That's just doesn't add up, my county jail in a small county in Pennsylvania holds 2400 and it's no where near that size, something isn't adding up here
I did some quick maths. Its about 10.000$ per month, per inmate, without any other costs like electricity or guards. I dont know who had the idea to even build there where you could build a 10x bigger facility 20km outside
No, I'm pretty sure jails are meant to house people before they are convicted of a crime. Prisons are after. So, like, before and after the court case. @@matthewbarabas3052
@@sabastionlandberg2806 My understanding is that Gotham is Jersey City, and Metropolis is NYC. Could be wrong, I’m not a super knowledgeable D.C. fan, plus they change the distances between the two city’s a lot in all the different comics and movies (and games).
I've been watching our society slide faster and faster into a Cyberpunk society. Then I look at South Korea and see they are already there. This is not a world I want to raise kids.
Mexico, and blacks, black men are 13% of america and commit 70% percent of murders. thats who does the most prison time, not many white gang members, never seen a swastika tattoo in real life. thats the farthest south, we had cartel running wild becaue of kamala.
This is a great example of the Doublespeak that will continue to ramp up until yooth-an-eye-zation and/or forced sterilization of all inmates is referred to as "community safety protocols."
Why are they complaining so hard tho…there was a prison tower in the exact spot before. They’re building a bigger one on the same site. It’s their prerogative
You are also sentenced to jail for crimes with convictions of up to 1 year. There is wiggle room, if the judge allows it and DOC accepts but it's a 1 year limit. Jail isn't only for those waiting to be tried.
It’s harder to actually go to jail than get out in the US. You would have to actually murder someone to be sentenced to prison in NY and even then there’s a good chance you’ll be out in about a year depending on what your skin color is…
That is correct, however it's about 70% of the jail population is unconvicted. It should be noted that constitutionally you aren't entitled to a jury trial for sentences under one year, though policy varies by state.
Another dystopian hell hole for $2 billion will not be properly staffed nor budget to take care of infrastructure (hvac, cleanliness, safety, food prep) and will be another shameful jail in NYC soon enough. The existing one in another building is pretty bad and Riker's island is hell on earth. Zero budget for mental health care. This new facility will be overcrowded within 2 years. Remember jail is for prople awaiting trial who couldnt bail out - not guilty prisoners. Some suffer in NYC for years awaiting trial. City planners always throw money at problems with federal monies but doing it same way expecting a change. China town does not deserve this. The noise, dust, destruction of the neighborhood, vibration. Whose brilliant idea is this? Sounds like a project to deal the end of Chinatown neighborhood. There is zero attempt by officials to start creating a system to stop feeding the expensive NY state prison system. Disgusting.
my first reaction upon hearing this proposal is the problems jail-scraper Amsterdam Bajes suffered : vertical transport of detainees is NOT advisable due to the prolonged close-quartered confinement that lift travel comprises. it was NOT popular with guards!!
isn't this a fairly simple problem to solve? some sort of barrier between co and inmate similar to what they use in police cruisers would probably be the cheapest and simplest solution
technical solutions : extra options that need maintenance: sure you can, maybe you’ll HAVE to, but you TRY not to when you do… (speaking as a designer, myself). US cities don’t work, unless you have a car… no side-walks. Tactics predetermine design choices…
Yeah, if they could start building higher rise facilities there... though people hate Rikers because the history and name of it, and some people object to the "idea of pushing inmates off to an island out of sight", however, they also don't like the idea of housing inmates down the road from them. So idk what to tell people like that. Reform can be had, especially for treating mental illness, but end of the day, a jail or prison is like a landfill, we don't like them but we have to have them.
@@WYO_Dirtbagyou really can’t build higher LaGuardia airport is right next to it. Secondly this city is spending tens of millions just to transport prisoners to the 4 different courthouses in the city. Each borough has its own court system. I still think rikers should be part of the system the system can be more efficient if we spread the prisoners out more.
Looking at the site at google maps, it is just a stones throw away from the new York supreme courthouse and other smaller courthouses. So it makes sense to build it nearby. However I do think making it a jailscaper and the tallest jail makes it an eyesore. If the had made it blend with the surroundings there won't be so much backlash.
@@chihchang1139the issue is each borough has its own court system DA and court house…they operate similar to counties and used rikers as a central jail location for these jurisdictions. Also when they pool juries for the trial they are only pulled from the specified borough not the city as a whole. Hope this gives some more insight.
In 30 years time, real estate sellers will be talking about Rikers Island being "such a peaceful and idyllic place to live and to raise family in" and the prison will be nothing more than a memorial site buried in some obscure corner of the island. They could have very well slowly tear it down and rebuilt it upwards to be more space efficient, but with such close proximity with LaGuardia Airport, it's bound to be turned into a series of either luxury high rise condos or single lot mansions with private yacht docks, sorta like those man made islands in Biscayne Bay, Miami.
For the comments on cost-effectiveness: The average jail time in New York State is around 30-40 days, so it would host anywhere from 7000 to 10,000 inmates per year. As the video explains, a jail houses inmates that are awaiting trial/sentencing; Convicts serving sentences are in prisons.
Isnt still way too expensive? The cost is supposed to be 2.000.000.000$ lets say the building lasts 100 years (which is generous i'd say). That would mean 20.000.000$ per year or 2000$ per Inmate. (Not including Operating costs). That sounds like way too much.
The average jail construction cost is $500,000 - $1 million per bed in NYC, so that makes this new facility quite expensive, yes. But for a 29-story specialized building in Manhattan, that’s to be expected. Also, to put things into perspective, NYC jails, including Rikers Island (set to close in 2027), average a cost of $1,524 per day for every inmate, and that does not include the cost to build or renovate the facilities. That means it will likely cost another $445 million a year to operate this jail. The real questions we should be asking are: Why does the U.S. have a higher incarceration rate than any other developed country? And how can we fix the justice system to make it more effective and sustainable?
@@Ruffy009 The jail is also supposed to have space for the community, so the budget isn't just being spent on the prisoners. Also, if we want jails to be more humane, then don't we want the government to make sure its built to a high standard?
A compromise we've used in Canada before, is to have the builder invest several million in the surrounding community, repaving their streets, building parks and swimming pools, adding landscaping and trimming overgrown trees and bushes, or other improvements that the city isn't really doing. Builders get to solve a problem, people in community are happy, and the politician who brokered the deal looks good. Win-win!
All that skepticism reserved for “tinfoil” ideas. You present as less than literate in the field of media uptake. It’s fine , Morning Joe will break it down for you one day….right? (No)
As long as the US goes on like it is today Jan Lee is right. Every new jail is going to be overcrowded in no time. Did people really believe it was ok to breath in dust? ...
@@cashewnuttel9054 That'll take years and be extremely costly. Unless you wish to just skip due process. But then that'd make you a bigger threat than even the serial killers.
@MrNote-lz7lh No, it won't. What makes it expensive and lengthy are the appeals and trying to prove the innocents of the inmate. But if you have been proven to be the criminal and your crime is heinous, then you should be... you know.
Actually it isnt: Seattle has a very large at least 30 story high tower on 3rd avenue, that is in fact a jail: It is directly connected to the Seattle courthouse via a skybridge
@@mustang8206 they have, at least 3 or 4 times. now i do say a jailscraper connecting to the courthouse it would have solved all that hassle (minus actually transporting defendants awaiting trial to a jailscraper complex), but what can you know (just asking)
Prison barges Prison barges are floating jails that have been used to house inmates in various places around the world. For example, the Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center was a prison barge that operated in New York City from 1992 to 2023. The barge was built to temporarily relieve overcrowding at Rikers Island, the city's main jail complex. We should have continued to use and upgrade prison barges.
At 500 mil, 566k per inmate, at 2 billion, it's 2.2 million per space. Honestly though, that's really not too much, I am sure they have it planned for use for like a 40 or 50 year building and as we know, they would keep using it for 90 years until it's literally crumbling. The cost of incarceration is astronomical. Low estimates I'm seeing is at least $168,000 per jail inmate per in NYC and that was in 2013.
Putting people in jail and prison is WAY more expensive than investing in the community to ensure they are happy and feel fulfilled (which statistically leads to far less crime.) I mean every inmate in America, on average, costs the taxpayer $160,000 PER YEAR. That’s just the average, think about how expensive high profile inmates, high security inmates, disabled inmates, and elderly inmates are. Our prison system doesn’t work and it’s the biggest drain on taxpayer money in modern American history.
How about they improve RIKERS ISLAND ITSELF before building mega prisons in all five boroughs??? This has to be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of and an absolute detriment to any neighborhood where these disgusting jail skyscrapers are built. There is absolutely no logic in the New York City Council!!!
Because people have a right to a trial by a jury of their peers - ie: people in the area the crime was committed. If you build a courthouse for NYC, Manhattan crimes outside the city, that means that NYC, Manhattan jurors (many of whom won't have cars, due to the city's highly walkable/public transit-accessible nature and high parking costs) will have to leave the city to sit on the jury.
New Yorkers are not skilled in reclaiming land from the sea! But also, the land around Manhattan is likely much deeper than the polder systems you are used to.
@@ChrisD72Skyscrapers are 10 stories and always have been Your can take your pretend euro clarifications where they belong, your continent didn't build anything that tall before you had color television
I just gotta say that I love your videos, man. Such well constructed content, and i always really appreciate your slight perspective on the stories you tell.
Big developers really do Machiavellian with real estate strategies. If that jail drives people out of the surrounding area, they'll buy it and build large. And when Rikers finally closes, the island is a substantial plot of undeveloped land in the middle of Manhattan.
@@ContentEnjoyer-gm3kyCrime is down from when I was a kid. The powers that be just lie about it all the time because the prison industrial complex wants money.
that would be unable to make much of a difference to those who never see it. As far as they're concerned, jails/prisons are used interchangeably, often, horribly, but at least i do know these distinctions :
You're talking about a site on which there has been a jail of some sort for nearly TWO CENTURIES. Can't exactly be "bad" for the area when it literally predates the community that now lives there
Undeveloped land in islands that are far out from the restricted areas (like airports or highly sensitive sites) may work best. Otherwise, they would have just put the planned closure of Rikers Island on hold if they say it's becoming a priority to hold defendants in remand/detention.
So the real reason is to free up the land of Rikers Island for expensive development? That is a lot of land which just happens to have that little old airport nearby that could expand into it. Amazing
I live in a suburb of Trenton, nj, where there's a jail in the middle of the city. Making a jail in the middle of the city is never a good idea, put it farther away
Jail in the US is where you go after arrest, prior to trial, and if the punishment is less than or equal to 1 year confinement. Prison is for more than 1 year confinement.
You may be unfamiar with the Federal Metropolitan Correction Facility in Chicago. It is a highrise tower in the South Loop district, just a quarter-mile from the Art Institute
And they should move that to Indiana and get it out of Chicago too. Get this crap out of the city so the city can be beautiful and for the local people who contribute tot he community, not these arrested people.
Expand the jails and lock up the homeless. Your argument is pernicious as they are closing Rikers and moving prisoners to new prisons around the city. They are addressing human rights and infrastructure problems with new facilities. But these new prisons are not additional prisons, they’re replacing the old ones. You watched the video, but you’re just here in the comments lying.
For those saying it will "Only" house 850+, this is a short term Jail with high turnover, not a long term stay prison. So you handle way more people than 850. Also can you fathom what it costs to build anything in NYC? Unfortunately no matter where it's built people will complain, I just hope that they spend the little bit extra and build it right rather than cutting corners. It costs a lot more to fix stuff than to do it right the first time.
jails should be built away from densely populated areas. they could easily spend that amount to overhaul rikers but i'm sure they want that waterfront property for something "better"
@@namrehh all of NYC through Poughkeepsie is densely populated? Where would you put them? Then you have to transport them back and forth to the court district they were arrested in plus pay some other county to house them. Adds an insane amount of overhead to have them somewhere else
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first it was ground news, now it’s straight arrow news?
Unbiased reporting is not possible. Everyone has a perspective. Everyone has to choose to report on some things and not others. Any news sources claiming to be "unbiased" is either fooling themselves or lying to you.
@@TheB1M reminds me too much of 1984
@@alexanderf8451 its almost as if people want to believe "what they want to believe at". Obviously this is not a news reporting site, rather it's an aggregator site. But that's really down to whether if one really have their mental will to actually compare the article they are fascinated with.
Gee, it's almost like they are intentionally trying to chase the Chinese people out of Manhattan.
There's a distinct irony in building a prison taller than the Statue of Liberty 😂
They know what they’re doing lmao
They seems want to make the prison as an belated society education center instead of making a better system for society as prevention. Or its just about money.. ..
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they sould move the statue onto manhattan and put the jail on the remote little island
$2B to house 800 inmates? This is an insane waste of money.
Seems like it’s more than just to house inmates. No idea if it’s cost effective considering all the other function but it’s not just cells
Private Prisons, reminds me of that movie where Rambo tries to break out of prisions. Then he got put in a private prision in middle of the ocean. I honestly think that's a realistic thing, some group of rich people prob. own a ship or a island and send their enemies there.
NYC' average rent for a bachelor pad is 3700 per month, and that is in US dollars to add an even nastier sting to that price tag🫥
So, to hear that they are doing something like this doesn't surprise me, well, okay, it kind of does😱
My question is thought, why would they want to do this when it is only going to remain empty given NYCs notorious catch and release?🤦🏼
@@DutchKinglol 'Escape Plan' was just watching that last night and started part 2 this morning 😅
Well, real estate there is expensive and it's better than letting them roam free.
Jail-Scraper is a hell of a movie title 😂😂
Starring Dwayne Johnson no doubt 😆
Sounds like a bad 90s movie 😂
Snakes in a jail?
Chicago got it
Or a TV series, Episode I to X
A massive prison looming over the surrounding cityscape?
Isn't that just the Bastille?
Yes.
No worries jails are built to prevent inmates from seeing the sky not to mention a view of New York City.
exactly imagine if they able to see out and your apartment open i cant suffice that wow
Time to make history repeat itself
A giant, expensive and bureaucratic skyscraper that's actually a prison, built inefficiently at great taxpayer cost is a better symbol for NYC than the Statue of Liberty.
thank GOD the Statue of Liberty is NOT in NY, its in New Jersey....!
@@KP50-oj6ce I mean... You could also say it's a French statue and that the "Huddled masses" poem is Jewish. It's still associated with NYC.
It just has to be done
if anything usa needs more french architecture
Ironic, but I see it.
The problems for old facility are human rights violations, brutality, lack of staff etc, so pretty much everything related to poor management. So solution for that is.......... new building??? Ok.
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To be fair, the facility is also falling apart and understaffed. A new facility addresses the maintenance issues and presumably includes features to make it easier to administer. But yes, a new building doesn't inherently solve the rest of that stuff.
@@RabbiYitzchakBenForeskinowitz Rest assured that they're not going to turn bn people into lampshades, but what's most likely going to happen is that there will be a influx of bn people in Chinatown which will cause an exponential rise in attacks on Asians because bn people just love assaulting Asian people for like no reason, as in they just push them under subways and stuff.
Exact same issues with bn people in France, it's almost like there's an anthropologic misfit of sorts between them and Asians. This is a well known phenomenon and whoever👃🏻 decided to build that thing in Chinatown 100% knew what they were doing yet they did it anyway, for the fun of it.
The US correctional system needs reform, but I'm afraid it's too big to reform
New yorkers are crazy like that. Most of their budget already goes to the nypd
"justice hubs" sounds pretty dystopian
it is.
Also woke. Like changing Christmas to “holidays”.
No more than 'Homeland Security'
@jimthar17 What does racism have to do with this
I mean other than adjacent
Not surprised a woke leftist came up with that term.
Chicago already has one of these. I remember casually walking downtown and looking up and seeing inmates staring down from 40 stories.
Yes, it is right on the Loop on Van Buren St.
being in Chinatown is a political statement ?
does it happen to be black in white street just by chance in your graphics?
They'll play chess with you if you're in a building that is tall enough to see into the yard. You just use a big piece of cardboard with your move written on it.
@garyspeed8961- Supposedly China has set up “secretive” police stations across the world to include LA and NY! 🤨
Not to be too cynical, but it also seems to me Rikers Island being that size would be a very valuable piece of land that they want to redevelop
They can't build tall because of the airport nearby, but you are correct, Rikers Island is very valuable real estate.
They proposed extending La Guardia airport to Rikers but that got shut down. Honestly it’s right next to an airport so it would probably be an annoying place to live.
@@QueenetBowie I don't know about that. They built the new Denver airport out in the middle of nowhere and now there are houses right up its @$$ hahaha
I finally looked up Rikers on a map. Guaranteed SOMEONE wants that real-estate. Even if they can't build skyscrapers, that is still a LOT of room for low-rise apartments. Like that one island at the south tip of Miami Beach.
It's got history lmafo, I think they will prob. convert it into some attraction like Alcatraz
Oh, have we already reached that point of the dystopian timeline?
Escape from New York? ;)
Dystopian would be Little USA and Frenchtown in Beijing. Countries shouldn´t allow this nonsense. You are American now, are you not happy? Why do you indentify yourself as something else?
Utopia
So what would you suggest as an alternative?
@@MrAbraxus666 building one outside of Manhattan maybe
It's pretty Victorian in psychological oppressiveness, to have a giant, looming, dominating structure loudly reminding citizens of the power of the state and a system that all to often fails its people.
Everytime the Justice system faces a critical pressure point like this, they use the redesign, or new, building to avoid making real changes; you can change the building all you want, the real issues can't be solved with brick and mortar.
i love victorian architecture though , this was when dankmar Adler , Henry Hobson Richardson was around
@@The.Pickle But the Victorian's would have at least made the building ostentatious.
Beautifully put
Total exasperation with constant petty crime and general stupidity makes people donate towards a maximum Judge Dredd attitude. Over strained justice system is the fault of the criminals, not the system.
@spencerhardy8667 Not true. Counter productive punishment, disproportionate punishment, enforcement of the wrong laws, letting people accused of crime get out before their trial only if they're rich all contribute to overcrowding.
By placing blame on the accused (not criminals) you are ignoring the justice systems responsibility to society to spend the taxpayers' money productively. I don't want my tax dollars wasted housing someone awaiting trial for an unpaid parking ticket.
Choosing to build that dystopian monstrosity in Chinatown is just such a blatant slap in the face that I can't be convinced it wasn't intentional.
This is the new version of "affordable housing" in NYC.
NYC is already like a jail !!
Mega jail before affordable housing exposes their priorities
@@richardadams6988 it's the most technology advanced city in the world
@@smallcube-zn2mm , lol is that why in some areas, crime is rampant, there are piles of trash and infestations of rats where also a "shoebox" apartment costs two to three thousand dollars or more per month to rent.... Absolutely insane! I'd much rather live in a "less technologically advanced city" in that case where criminals are actually prosecuted, streets are kept clean, housing is NOT "in crisis" but is abundant, affordable and doesn't look like "China's stacked, multi-unit gov't housing facilities"....
To be fair, these inmates are going to be living the life.
A manhatten apartment, with views of the trade centre and central park, free living, free food, free clothes. The cells are probably going to be bigger then some of the apartments I've seen in NYC
Looks dystopian
Good. There’s not nearly enough prison space in the US. Criminals in the US can steal everything from a store, run out, quickly sell it, get caught, and then be back on the streets in hours in prosecutors just let them off. The excuse is that “there isn’t enough jail space.” Let’s stop giving them excuses.
What’s dystopian is criminals having free rein over a city and being allowed to do multiple smash and grabs every day to the point that businesses all start fleeing because the criminals are just let out hours later. But I’m sure you don’t have any problem with that, just something actually being done about it, right?
Land of the free, y'all
@@cloroxbleach2520Free to break into stores and get away with it
@@conor7154 1. They never said build no prisons, the prison doesn't have to be built in the city 2. crime is on the downward trend 3. The USA has the highest prisoner population in the world, because of a lack of focus on rehabilitation meaning there is a very high recidivism rate. Focus on that would help out more than making a dystopian prison that your only excuse for being built is an emotional strawman.
There is already a federal prison skyscraper in downtown Chicago
Yep. Spent a yr in it.
Not only that, but a few years ago a prisoner escaped from the 17th floor by tying a bunch of BEDSHEETS together into a rope.
6:38
There’s one in Miami too
@@JayRiches How was it
This sounds like one of my favourite 80’s movies, ‘Escape from New York’. It’s finally happening 😂
Snake Plisken has the penthouse on the top floor
Closing Rikers island after "years of campaigning from activists" OR closing Rikers islands after "years of campaigning from real estates moguls" lol
Oy vey stop noticing things.
It’s pressure from both.
@@ZedGames Little of column a little of column b. This is what happens when activism seeks symbolic achievement rather than more meaningful, but perhaps less satisfying achievements. Bail reform would be less sexy than closing Rykers, but more important in terms of both public safety and taxpayer accountability.
@@XandateOfHeavenprobably cause some activists don’t actually do their homework to see the benefits of protesting something other than what they are protesting now. It’s like the diary of the whimpy kid cast change, people attacked the new cast but never took a moment to think why the old cast was switched(people age dummies, this is what happens when the school system is terrible).
@@XandateOfHeaven
Bail reform like what? Letting people in jail for violent crimes go free?
For only 800 prisoners, that doesnt seem very reasonable to building such a facility.
Perhaps that's the base capacity where every inmate has a cell to themselves, while triple capacity is within design and regulation. It does seem a drop in the bucket for what New York administrators have put upon the citizens, even are a jail for effectively temporary processing. It would process...a couple dozen thousand a year?
@@RamblingRodeo 2.75 million per prisoner. My university accommodation cost them as an average 40,000 per room and they were really nice rooms stick some barbed wire up and dig some ditches wouldn't increase the cost that much. The issue is the greed from the private prison industry.
That's just doesn't add up, my county jail in a small county in Pennsylvania holds 2400 and it's no where near that size, something isn't adding up here
I did some quick maths. Its about 10.000$ per month, per inmate, without any other costs like electricity or guards. I dont know who had the idea to even build there where you could build a 10x bigger facility 20km outside
Im sure they will soon find a way to add extra bunkbeds to each cell. Many US jails-prisons are running at over capacity.
Thanks B1M for making the distinction between jails and prisons...The media often uses those terms interchangably, incorrectly.
they are the same thing.
No they aren't by a long shot but keep being wrong@@matthewbarabas3052
What if I told you the B1M is the media
and yet failed to make the distinction between epstein's suicide and "suicide"
No, I'm pretty sure jails are meant to house people before they are convicted of a crime. Prisons are after. So, like, before and after the court case. @@matthewbarabas3052
Just a friendly reminder & a quick correction. Jeffrey Epstein didn't commit suicide.
Merry Christmas & Happy holidays to all
“Batman get the joker to the jail scraper before he destroys New York”
“I thought we was in Gotham”
“It’s the same goddamn thing Batman”
Gotham is actually modeled after Chicago, but people often think of NYC and the Hollywood films don't help.
@@CausticLemons7 Gotham has always been modeled after New York, "Gotham" has been an actual nickname for New York City since 1809.
@@anxietywave8735Superman lives in the new york equivalent metropolis or something
@@anxietywave8735 Metropolis is New York, Gotham is Chicago.
@@sabastionlandberg2806 My understanding is that Gotham is Jersey City, and Metropolis is NYC. Could be wrong, I’m not a super knowledgeable D.C. fan, plus they change the distances between the two city’s a lot in all the different comics and movies (and games).
"suicide". Sure....
Quite literally the second he said that I stopped the video disliked it and went to comments :D
He was definitely mossad
Same
@@raspas99 Maybe time to touch some grass?
B1M should do a video on the interesting architecture on Little Saint James island.
This is literally the pretext to Judge Dredd.
Iso-Cubes
I've been watching our society slide faster and faster into a Cyberpunk society. Then I look at South Korea and see they are already there. This is not a world I want to raise kids.
@@stevenmtaylor21The media: "Why are younger people not having children???" Anyone under 40: *gestures broadly at everything in all directions.*
I was looking for a comment about Dredd 😂
@@-Zevin-😂😂 dead ass
Slight correction: Jail is also where you're sent if your sentence is less than a year.
The European mind cannot comprehend this
America has black people thats why.
Mexico, and blacks, black men are 13% of america and commit 70% percent of murders. thats who does the most prison time, not many white gang members, never seen a swastika tattoo in real life. thats the farthest south, we had cartel running wild becaue of kamala.
Because you Europeans are so far superior... LOL.
I'll bet there's a LOT about my country you guys have trouble with-after all we do a lot of stupid sh*t.
Europe doesn't have enough blacks to require prisons like these but you all are getting there.
@12:26 these people are so insanely out of touch with reality. Who is going to willingly hang out at a prison? How can a prison be a “community space”
This is a great example of the Doublespeak that will continue to ramp up until yooth-an-eye-zation and/or forced sterilization of all inmates is referred to as "community safety protocols."
Why are they complaining so hard tho…there was a prison tower in the exact spot before. They’re building a bigger one on the same site. It’s their prerogative
yeah, who is crazy enough to go buy food below a jail, also a huge security risk.
Instead they could just make a hospital in its place.
But then I guess it's a jail you can't put it in a remote location like a prison.
You are also sentenced to jail for crimes with convictions of up to 1 year. There is wiggle room, if the judge allows it and DOC accepts but it's a 1 year limit. Jail isn't only for those waiting to be tried.
It’s harder to actually go to jail than get out in the US. You would have to actually murder someone to be sentenced to prison in NY and even then there’s a good chance you’ll be out in about a year depending on what your skin color is…
I was just going to comment this, prisons are sentences over a year in the US at least.
That is correct, however it's about 70% of the jail population is unconvicted. It should be noted that constitutionally you aren't entitled to a jury trial for sentences under one year, though policy varies by state.
@@XandateOfHeaven And I care why? They shouldn't be repulsive criminals. They need to go back.
@@kevinz.9785two years in some states.
Another dystopian hell hole for $2 billion will not be properly staffed nor budget to take care of infrastructure (hvac, cleanliness, safety, food prep) and will be another shameful jail in NYC soon enough. The existing one in another building is pretty bad and Riker's island is hell on earth. Zero budget for mental health care. This new facility will be overcrowded within 2 years. Remember jail is for prople awaiting trial who couldnt bail out - not guilty prisoners. Some suffer in NYC for years awaiting trial. City planners always throw money at problems with federal monies but doing it same way expecting a change. China town does not deserve this. The noise, dust, destruction of the neighborhood, vibration. Whose brilliant idea is this? Sounds like a project to deal the end of Chinatown neighborhood. There is zero attempt by officials to start creating a system to stop feeding the expensive NY state prison system. Disgusting.
my first reaction upon hearing this proposal is the problems jail-scraper Amsterdam Bajes suffered : vertical transport of detainees is NOT advisable due to the prolonged close-quartered confinement that lift travel comprises. it was NOT popular with guards!!
Need to read on that building, first time hearing about it. Very interesting, thanks!
isn't this a fairly simple problem to solve? some sort of barrier between co and inmate similar to what they use in police cruisers would probably be the cheapest and simplest solution
technical solutions : extra options that need maintenance: sure you can, maybe you’ll HAVE to, but you TRY not to when you do… (speaking as a designer, myself). US cities don’t work, unless you have a car… no side-walks. Tactics predetermine design choices…
Interesting but specialized elevators could be built into the design.
The often overlooked music, sound effect, and mixing work in this video is absolutely brilliant.
You're my new favourite person 😘
Or they could have fixed Rikers Island...
That's too sensible. Gotta make it more complicated.
Yeah, if they could start building higher rise facilities there... though people hate Rikers because the history and name of it, and some people object to the "idea of pushing inmates off to an island out of sight", however, they also don't like the idea of housing inmates down the road from them. So idk what to tell people like that. Reform can be had, especially for treating mental illness, but end of the day, a jail or prison is like a landfill, we don't like them but we have to have them.
To add to making that plan more complicated. It could cost more money than than the plan they already have.
@@WYO_Dirtbag They can not build a high rise there do to the airport. The airport has height restriction.
@@WYO_Dirtbagyou really can’t build higher LaGuardia airport is right next to it. Secondly this city is spending tens of millions just to transport prisoners to the 4 different courthouses in the city. Each borough has its own court system. I still think rikers should be part of the system the system can be more efficient if we spread the prisoners out more.
I'd be mad as hell being a gangster and being taken to a "justice hub" 😂😂😂
That's nothing, in Canada you can be a stone-cold killer and get sent to a "healing lodge".
This is exactly what MegaCity one needs.
Damn right!
Exactly what I thought of when I saw the thumbnail. Had to check the reference, but I assumed it could only be one thing.
Beat me to it!
The absolute lack of prosecution in that city is justification enough for Judge Dredd to make his debut
First iso block
Looking at the site at google maps, it is just a stones throw away from the new York supreme courthouse and other smaller courthouses. So it makes sense to build it nearby. However I do think making it a jailscaper and the tallest jail makes it an eyesore. If the had made it blend with the surroundings there won't be so much backlash.
Why not build in the deep? Earthscraper
See that's the thing, there always was a jail on that site. The issue is the giant eye sore that apparently can only house a thousand prisoners.
There was a jail on that site . They could have rehabbed it. But so many palms greased....
Maybe move the courthouses to Rikers then instead of moving Rikers into Chinatown.
@@chihchang1139the issue is each borough has its own court system DA and court house…they operate similar to counties and used rikers as a central jail location for these jurisdictions. Also when they pool juries for the trial they are only pulled from the specified borough not the city as a whole. Hope this gives some more insight.
In 30 years time, real estate sellers will be talking about Rikers Island being "such a peaceful and idyllic place to live and to raise family in" and the prison will be nothing more than a memorial site buried in some obscure corner of the island. They could have very well slowly tear it down and rebuilt it upwards to be more space efficient, but with such close proximity with LaGuardia Airport, it's bound to be turned into a series of either luxury high rise condos or single lot mansions with private yacht docks, sorta like those man made islands in Biscayne Bay, Miami.
watch it develop into luxury apartments, right next door to la guardia, and then have the new homeowners complain about the noise.
They should expand the airport onto the island so as to double its size.
@@bendybus5165shut down the airport over noise concerns
@@bendybus5165 But not to worry, there will be a portion of "affordable housing" that your tax dollars will pay for too.
If the real estate developers could get their hands on Riker's Island, they'd need only a year or two.
For the comments on cost-effectiveness:
The average jail time in New York State is around 30-40 days, so it would host anywhere from 7000 to 10,000 inmates per year.
As the video explains, a jail houses inmates that are awaiting trial/sentencing; Convicts serving sentences are in prisons.
Typical Democrat money laundering to special interests. 2000 million dollars and an eyesore.
Isnt still way too expensive?
The cost is supposed to be 2.000.000.000$ lets say the building lasts 100 years (which is generous i'd say).
That would mean 20.000.000$ per year or 2000$ per Inmate. (Not including Operating costs).
That sounds like way too much.
The average jail construction cost is $500,000 - $1 million per bed in NYC, so that makes this new facility quite expensive, yes. But for a 29-story specialized building in Manhattan, that’s to be expected.
Also, to put things into perspective, NYC jails, including Rikers Island (set to close in 2027), average a cost of $1,524 per day for every inmate, and that does not include the cost to build or renovate the facilities. That means it will likely cost another $445 million a year to operate this jail.
The real questions we should be asking are: Why does the U.S. have a higher incarceration rate than any other developed country? And how can we fix the justice system to make it more effective and sustainable?
@@Ruffy009 The jail is also supposed to have space for the community, so the budget isn't just being spent on the prisoners. Also, if we want jails to be more humane, then don't we want the government to make sure its built to a high standard?
@@AlexDaigleTV The US is also the most diverse developed country. Why aren't other countries welcoming diversity?
A jail on a prime location…. Unbelievable
A prime location? It´s full of people that don´t consider themselves American.
At least it is not a surface parking lot so there is that.
The jail must be in the city. They don't have much choice, if they want to close rikers island.
@@MrWarrenRB There are 5 boroughs in NYC, four of which have lots of empty land.
@@JeffBilkins This would be the only time where a parking lot would be better
A compromise we've used in Canada before, is to have the builder invest several million in the surrounding community, repaving their streets, building parks and swimming pools, adding landscaping and trimming overgrown trees and bushes, or other improvements that the city isn't really doing. Builders get to solve a problem, people in community are happy, and the politician who brokered the deal looks good. Win-win!
What are they going to arrest the whole city?
1:59 I believe you meant "allegedly died by suicide"
I knew the tinfoil hats would pull him on that, I’m just surprised there isn’t more 😂
All that skepticism reserved for “tinfoil” ideas. You present as less than literate in the field of media uptake.
It’s fine , Morning Joe will break it down for you one day….right?
(No)
Bro did not kill himself sorry but you’d have to be uncommonly gullible to believe he did
@ I don’t care if he did or not.
@@Kodakcompactdisc better than risking “doing too much”
As long as the US goes on like it is today Jan Lee is right. Every new jail is going to be overcrowded in no time. Did people really believe it was ok to breath in dust? ...
Ever considered exe... you know... the really bad ones?
@@cashewnuttel9054
That'll take years and be extremely costly. Unless you wish to just skip due process. But then that'd make you a bigger threat than even the serial killers.
@MrNote-lz7lh No, it won't. What makes it expensive and lengthy are the appeals and trying to prove the innocents of the inmate.
But if you have been proven to be the criminal and your crime is heinous, then you should be... you know.
Actually it isnt: Seattle has a very large at least 30 story high tower on 3rd avenue, that is in fact a jail: It is directly connected to the Seattle courthouse via a skybridge
Chicago has a jailscraper too
San Diego as well
watch the video bruh
@@mustang8206 they have, at least 3 or 4 times. now i do say a jailscraper connecting to the courthouse it would have solved all that hassle (minus actually transporting defendants awaiting trial to a jailscraper complex), but what can you know (just asking)
Is the Seattle lockup that big red building you can see from the Space Needle? I've wondered what it was.
I can’t get enough of your content! This video was amazing. 😊
A criminal will have a better view of Nyc than me
😂😂🙃
Do you want that view? Free for everyone.
3:55 only 886 inmates! For $500 million building!
Prison barges
Prison barges are floating jails that have been used to house inmates in various places around the world. For example, the Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center was a prison barge that operated in New York City from 1992 to 2023. The barge was built to temporarily relieve overcrowding at Rikers Island, the city's main jail complex.
We should have continued to use and upgrade prison barges.
0:43 Actually 2 billion USD.
At 500 mil, 566k per inmate, at 2 billion, it's 2.2 million per space. Honestly though, that's really not too much, I am sure they have it planned for use for like a 40 or 50 year building and as we know, they would keep using it for 90 years until it's literally crumbling. The cost of incarceration is astronomical. Low estimates I'm seeing is at least $168,000 per jail inmate per in NYC and that was in 2013.
Putting people in jail and prison is WAY more expensive than investing in the community to ensure they are happy and feel fulfilled (which statistically leads to far less crime.) I mean every inmate in America, on average, costs the taxpayer $160,000 PER YEAR. That’s just the average, think about how expensive high profile inmates, high security inmates, disabled inmates, and elderly inmates are. Our prison system doesn’t work and it’s the biggest drain on taxpayer money in modern American history.
incarceration is a big business
How about they improve RIKERS ISLAND ITSELF before building mega prisons in all five boroughs??? This has to be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of and an absolute detriment to any neighborhood where these disgusting jail skyscrapers are built. There is absolutely no logic in the New York City Council!!!
They're WOKE. There's your answer.
@@Vagabond_EtrangerI don’t think the “woke” is pushing for this… did you even watch the video?
@@lilipad5514 Just like 10 seconds of it. Heard the NY mayor is woke, & the one before that.
Not to mention this is the same place where people complain about lack of housing. How about use the borough space for APARTMENT BULDINGS
Awww so this is why my rent is 3000 for a tiny apartment Thankyou America 🇺🇸
Why not build a jail and a court house next to it, outside the city? That has to be cheaper than building in the city.
Because people have a right to a trial by a jury of their peers - ie: people in the area the crime was committed. If you build a courthouse for NYC, Manhattan crimes outside the city, that means that NYC, Manhattan jurors (many of whom won't have cars, due to the city's highly walkable/public transit-accessible nature and high parking costs) will have to leave the city to sit on the jury.
@@TelevisedEntropy Still, make an argument for the jail. Even the homeless shelter is having a negative effect on it's surroundings.
@@dolpoof2335 That is the argument for the jail. What are you missing?
Maybe this is just me being Dutch, but how about doubling the size of Rikers Island and building a respectable jail next to it?
The money to build new land and new buildings may even be cheaper
New Yorkers are not skilled in reclaiming land from the sea! But also, the land around Manhattan is likely much deeper than the polder systems you are used to.
Correct. And plenty of unused land on rikers island rather than tearing down a fortified jail in middle of residential area!
its because they want to develop housing on rikers, land is more valuable than buildings in NYC
exactly
Chicago has had a skysccraper jail for DECADES
Skyscrapers are usually 150 meters tall the jail in chicago is not a skyscraper at only 80 meters tall. It would not be considered a skyscraper.
Facts
And it is max security
@@ChrisD72Skyscrapers are 10 stories and always have been
Your can take your pretend euro clarifications where they belong, your continent didn't build anything that tall before you had color television
@@ChrisD72This jail is scheduled to be only 90 meters high so it is not technically a skyscraper.
But both are high rises.
I just gotta say that I love your videos, man. Such well constructed content, and i always really appreciate your slight perspective on the stories you tell.
Would make for an epic jailbreak
Easy to escape from. NYC is a very easy place to disappear in.
Big developers really do Machiavellian with real estate strategies. If that jail drives people out of the surrounding area, they'll buy it and build large. And when Rikers finally closes, the island is a substantial plot of undeveloped land in the middle of Manhattan.
There’s already a large jail there, why would property values change?
Rikers Island is part of the Bronx. It isn't in the middle of Manhattan. Its connected to Queens.
@@red2977 Meant to say the city.
Rikers Island will NEVER be developed again. No one will EVER want to live there
@@MrBarrageman They'll rename it and people will forget. It's inevitable.
New jail rises above the height of the Statue of Liberty....
This can't be real
To quote one Childish Gambino... _"This is America."_
@@i-love-comountains3850 Yeah he is such an austere philosophical scholar. My fav philosopher frfr.
USA hasn´t had any liberty since the two party tyranny.
Statue of Liberty isnt thatt tall compared to modern buildings.
Statue of liberty fits exactly into that jail, kinda ironic.
This isn’t the world’s first, Chicago used to have a jailscraper of their own.
Judge Dredd - approves of this vital infrastructure... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That monstrosity is absolutely cartoonishly dystopian, my god
The future is now old man. Thats what happens when crime rates are over the roof.
@@ContentEnjoyer-gm3kyCrime is down from when I was a kid. The powers that be just lie about it all the time because the prison industrial complex wants money.
"Suicide"....🤣🤣🤣
Came to the comments to look for this
How is that funny?
@@BihaanDash more like "he was suicided"
@@BihaanDash Epstein didn't kill himself.
Because we all know Epstein didn't kill himself lol
Amazing how NY keeps building up, yet does almost nothing to improve the traffic flow down below.
its never going to be built, you seem to have forgotten its new york
They've put up a lot of sky scrapers in the past twenty years what does this mean? Lol
Trump will get'er done. Then decent people can live in NYC in peace.
@@robgrey6183yeah true, he does need jails for all the innocent civilians he plans to round up
NYC has never had "decent people" and this dystopia nightmare is not going to change that.
@collincaperton6718 So none of the firefighters, nurses, doctors, shelter workers, none of those people are decent?
Thanks for making the distinction between Prisons and Jail! A jail is really bad for the region.
that would be unable to make much of a difference to those who never see it. As far as they're concerned, jails/prisons are used interchangeably, often, horribly, but at least i do know these distinctions :
You're talking about a site on which there has been a jail of some sort for nearly TWO CENTURIES.
Can't exactly be "bad" for the area when it literally predates the community that now lives there
This isnt the first jail skyscraper. There are multiple in USA.
No there are not. A skyscraper is defined as usually being at least 100 meters tall. This would be the first.
@@psyffee3755 there is no universally accepted definition, other than being very tall high-rise buildings. Which there are definitely a few in USA.
@@Gravitics skyscrapers are usually above 100 meters tall a least, anything less is just a tall building
I am in a bordering state, figuring out should I expect to stay there when it opens
106 meters is not “just shy” of 150 meters! 😂
New York out here building Arkham Asylum
Literally why, just create a ferry to a jail outside Manhattan.
Undeveloped land in islands that are far out from the restricted areas (like airports or highly sensitive sites) may work best. Otherwise, they would have just put the planned closure of Rikers Island on hold if they say it's becoming a priority to hold defendants in remand/detention.
I thought there was a city that already had a jail like this, like Chicago maybe.
They spend like a full minute talking about the one in Chicago halfway through the vid. Plus it's too short to count as a skyscraper.
This is absurd. Let's fix the underlying problems.
If only there was an island close by where we could put a jail. Hmm. Oh yeah, there IS.
Staten Island? 😂
So the real reason is to free up the land of Rikers Island for expensive development? That is a lot of land which just happens to have that little old airport nearby that could expand into it. Amazing
laguardia already has a 5-year plan
That's insane. Better sign up to be a security guard 😂
Another great video from the B1M
Thank you!! 🙌
All your videos are so well made every upload is a gem and has me in anticipation definitely my favorite
When the movie "Escape from New York" becomes real life
In that movie, the whole of Manhattanwas walled off from NJ and the other boroughs. This isn't that.
or the exact opposite?
The city of Chicago has a federal prison skyscraper in the financial district of downtown Chicago.
I live in a suburb of Trenton, nj, where there's a jail in the middle of the city. Making a jail in the middle of the city is never a good idea, put it farther away
What’s the point if newyork doesn’t even prosecute their criminals
They do if the criminal is white
Jail in the US is where you go after arrest, prior to trial, and if the punishment is less than or equal to 1 year confinement. Prison is for more than 1 year confinement.
This will absolutely 86 Manhattan's Chinatown. The new Chinatown is in Flushing, Queens.
JUDGE DREDD REFERENCE?!?!
JEFFERY EPSTEIN REFERENCE!
Diddeadit
Pretty much!
How shyty can the country get?
You may be unfamiar with the Federal Metropolitan Correction Facility in Chicago. It is a highrise tower in the South Loop district, just a quarter-mile from the Art Institute
Technically it's not a skyscraper because it's only 80 meters tall, and not 150 meters usually used to define skyscrapers.
It’s literally in the fucking video are you people really this dense
6:34
did you watch the video
And they should move that to Indiana and get it out of Chicago too. Get this crap out of the city so the city can be beautiful and for the local people who contribute tot he community, not these arrested people.
@seanmurphy3753 I don't think you can move people in city/county jail out of state
First? There’s a skyscraper jail in Chicago already, for those pending trial at the federal courthouse.
Skyscrapers are usually over 150 meters tall, and the one in Chicago is only 80 meters.
They spend like a full minute talking about the one in Chicago halfway through the vid. Plus it's too short to count as a skyscraper.
Another banger from Fred 🔥
its sad to have to build prison instead of building something that could make people work
This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of! You've got a fucking island! Rebuild there!
plot twist: that island is gonna be reveloped as low income housing. that looks like a prison.
@@matthewbarabas3052 thats the real kicker
Zero space left without demolition and or major terrain changes. Too much money.
@@matthewbarabas3052 either that or luxury waterfront property.
@@jimjonesbyrdgang3610 less space than what's available in Manhattan? Why does the currently flat terrain need changing?
truly a symbol of American culture
Jailscraper? Call it a Sky Jail
There's no crime in the sky
In Chicago the fed prison is a skyscraper downtown.
It scrapes…jails?
The name doesn’t make sense
Sky-jail
just a portmanteau of "jail" and "skyscraper"
{regardless if it was sarcasm ima respond it anyway, that no longer mattered to me anymore}
Spider-man would never of wanted this
He’s literally a crime fighter
As a NYC resident, you cant really build horizontally, you have to build vertically. There's not enough space haha
World’s first?? There has been one in Chicago for DECADES. I swear it’s like no one does any basic research anymore.
Probably cheaper to live in for New York
My first shock was the suicide in 2019. I thought it happened like last year. Where have I been for 5 years omg
They can keep building all these Jails but have a homeless issue right in that same area that they’ve failed to Address🤦🏾♂️
Expand the jails and lock up the homeless. Your argument is pernicious as they are closing Rikers and moving prisoners to new prisons around the city. They are addressing human rights and infrastructure problems with new facilities. But these new prisons are not additional prisons, they’re replacing the old ones. You watched the video, but you’re just here in the comments lying.
Will it be intended to replace Riker's Island? Thank you
Instead of fixing Rikers Island, they've decided to build a monstrous jail in the middle of the city
They shouldve just expanded it
There was ALREADY a monstrous jail on that spot and it (well, its predecessor) was there before Chinatown was
For those saying it will "Only" house 850+, this is a short term Jail with high turnover, not a long term stay prison. So you handle way more people than 850. Also can you fathom what it costs to build anything in NYC? Unfortunately no matter where it's built people will complain, I just hope that they spend the little bit extra and build it right rather than cutting corners. It costs a lot more to fix stuff than to do it right the first time.
jails should be built away from densely populated areas. they could easily spend that amount to overhaul rikers but i'm sure they want that waterfront property for something "better"
How many people did the recently demolished Tombs hold?
@@gregorymalchuk272 Basically the same amount
@@namrehh all of NYC through Poughkeepsie is densely populated? Where would you put them? Then you have to transport them back and forth to the court district they were arrested in plus pay some other county to house them. Adds an insane amount of overhead to have them somewhere else
In SimCity games, residential and commercial don't like having prisons nearby.
Do you think criminals are gonna hang around outside a jail?