Judo vs Wrestling: For Taking down bigger dudes
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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I have no experience in wrestling and very very little Judo experience. Just a Blue belt in BJJ while in school and non-competitive middle age boxing. I totally lack the standup. An outsider looking at competition and instructionals, wrestlers have this incremental chain wrestling to achieve small advantages using a wider variety of moves, but it achieves small steps towards hitting a move, Judoka is much more specialist and using timing to hit 1 or 2 big moves. If you trying to be a MMA minimalist it seems double/single/some takedown from the clinch/bodylock is essential, you can learn more but it takes effort to learn those. In Judo it seems the big man moves are ostogari, shorter guys use Seonage and Taitoshi. Everyone can use uchimata and leg/foot attacks ouchigari etc.
If you want a better standing game I'd recommend Judo and Boxing(or Muay Thai) as the strikes open an opponent for throws. Smaller people have a lower center of gravity which makes throws much better, plus shooting for the legs in a street fight is risky business.
Edit: realised this video is aimed at a controlled environment so my bad 😂
@@LibertarianGalt My comment was a little bit off topic, I just wanna see if my observations are in line with what real wrestlers or Judokas think since I am only a spectator. If it's MMA and you are a shorter built fighter, should you begin your base with Judo or Wrestling? my minimalist answer is wrestling in my opinion. The single and double as Hong said (from one Hong to another) Look at Damien Maia and Ben Askren who really have to go to the ground just to survive. they have to use Single and double, it's reliable they don't have a better way. Plus you can pick up some Greco which is great when mixed with standup. There are other Judokas like Ronda Rousey who can toss you at will, but you gotta learn to do it without the gi, I think it's elite level stuff, where as even Maia could still get you to the ground with a shoot or pull a half guard and sweep you.
6:50 - 7:09 almost all the things mentioned are useless when it comes to every other situation that isn't a judo competition.
Let's say you want to defend yourself. Establishing the grips like you would in a judo match is useless because his fists might just get in the way of that, or the clothing he is wearing might get in the way of that. He might have a long sleeve something (pullover, sweater whatever), but it isn't as wide is a judo gi and therefore getting the grip is WAAAAY more difficult compared to if he wore a judo gi. Same with kazushi. Meanwhile, gripping like they do in wrestling would make more sense because the clothing the aggressor wears doesn't matter.
I think wrestlers close distance better than judo bc you can shoot from further away. It allows you to rush a taller person and take out there legs easier than clinching with them to throw or trip. I love both sports but gonna say wrestling on this one.
Agree
@@OGFITNESS You don't remember caro parisian ufc the judo practitioner
@@user-ki8mg5jh3n i remember him, heard of him when i first started watching mma in my early 30s, he used a lot of judo in his fight, but remember, he was fighting guys his size.
Wrestling has a lot of intricacies as well. It might have less techniques because the practicioners don't wear a gi but that isn't really a big plus considering that in every other scenario (fighting in the cage, self defense situations/"street" altercations) knowing all these variations of a throw doesn't really help you. Even if we say you are trying to defend yourself from a dude in a winter jacket (it has to be a winter jacket, because many other options, like some kind of shirt, would just rip). If it's cold enough to wear a winter jacket then it is cold enough to zip it up....there goes the lapel grab, en essential aspect for many of these variations of set technique. Wresling doesn't have tsuri goshi, or tsurikomi goshi etc because they don't wear a gi...but guess what, they all are hip throws, freestyle wrestling has hip throws.
Same thing with te waza, same with ashi waza....okay I grant, freestyle wrestling doesn't have techniques that would fall into judos categories: "Ma-sutemi waza" and "yoko-sutemi waza".
I wouldn't necessarily say that that is a big plus for judo anyway.
Judo vs wrestling, and the winner is .... sambo ?
@@daremo6381 😂
Im a striker, thats dabbled in grappling so feel free to throw my opinion out, but it seems to me that wrestling is only better against a taller opponent. But the op said bigger which to me implies heavier and possibly taller. In that case id argue judo is better. For the less experienced grappler hitting a hip throw, uchi mata, or even sacrifice throw is much easier on a bigger guy than simply trying to blast double him. This is because at the end of the day, it doesnt matter how explosive u r, trying to tackle ur way through too much mass just isnt efficient. Can it be done? Sure, but it isnt ideal. Whereas with judo throws kuzushi is always, ideally, an element, which means the smaller fighter wouldnt have to rely on strength where the larger fighter would easily have the advantage. Could be wrong on my theory though, so grapplers feel free to weigh in.
Spot on, very well explained, couldn’t have said it better myself. Osu!
What about arm wrestling vs wrestling?
Thats a myth about judoka beaing beat by wrestlers so thats why they took out leg grabes
I was thinking for self defence but are we talking in a controlled environment where grappler v grapper or MMA free for all or just no ref free for all? Judo used to teach takedown defence but I think has mainly dropped it due to olympic rule changes but older Judoka still can stop the double legs somewhat effectively.
Were talking in a controlled environment
Khabib started as a wrestler and then moved to Judo. He saw many benefits in Judo and still endorses it till this day.
He has a lot of respect for Judo for sure
Careful with judo having more tools.
You started the video with talking about leg attacks, for goods reason.
In todays judo leg attacks are not a thing (accept maybe for very specific situations, I am no competitive judoka and the ruleset is so convoluted and therefore I never really cared about the ruleset).
On the other hand when talking about freestyle wrestling or scholastic wrestling, leg takedowns are allowed, leg takedowns are THE WAY how wrestlers take their opponent to the ground BUUUUUT they also have and teach high amplitude throws and footsweps and the ruleset even favours them.
Throwing your opponent successfully and controling him on the ground afterwards with high amplitude throws gives the competeter WAAAAY more points than doing the same with a low amplitude throw.
The reason why we (as viewers) barely ever see them in a competitive settings is BECAUSE they kind of suck in a no gi setting.
Shooting for a double or single leg is way easier and throwing them more then likely will get you in a advantages position.
One can unfortunately not really say the same about judo, where when getting the hips in the correct position and then throwing your opponent can easily get you in a bad position, where you end up on the bottom (but why would a competitive judoka care, as long as their opponent hit the mat first.....I mean the ruleset cares only about the instant the opponent hits the mat and nothing afterwards).
Salut, je suis un judoka de 5 pieds 6 ,et meme quand je m'amuse a faire du vieux judo , "shooter "est vraiment difficile , surtout avec le kumikata , et je suis bien d accord que l'interdictiobn de prise au jambe est vraiment un frein pour les petit pratiquant
D’apres moi c’est la personne avec le kumikata dominant qui peu shoot, ou bien avec un saisit seulement tu shoot, ou bien Tu attend pour contrer et tu ramasse une jambe ou.. deux tout dependant. Tu peu shoot a distance mais ton timing et ton explosibilité doivent etre parfait.
Jai jamais connu le vieu judo en compete mais en randori et en tournoi de club kosen jai vraiment aimer, tellement plus d’option.
For the street which one would be better
Judo!!
Why?
I haven't watched the video, but my opinion is wrestling. Reason is judo is a standing art that attacks high; wrestling has attacks that come in low.
Nah man wrestling has just as many techniques from the clinch as judo does.
I gave it to wrestling as well, though it broke my heart 😂
@@thisfool89 all taken from judo.
@OGFITNESS ummmm isnt Wrestling like 2000 years older than Judo?
@@thisfool89 good question, might just be the japanese did it better 🤷♂️
I think a lot of people dont understand how massive of an overlap ther is between judo and wrestling. I almost feel as if Judo isnt as complete of a system as wrestling because the lack of shots for takedowns and the lack of ground grappling.
Greco with a jacket, except in greco no ashi waza allowed.