DEEP DIVE DISCUSSION: Is POWER CREEP Real in Honkai: Star Rail??
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Today I'm watching @Iyoverse's video on powercreep in Honkai: Star Rail and giving my thoughts!
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Several points :
- Himeko best standard 1000%
- Powercreep is there, but it's not crazy strong. I'm 100% convinced that in HSR you CAN pull whatever DPS you like and succeed in the game BUT with one condition that a lot of people are missing: you THEN HAVE to build a team around them: meaning pulling their supportS (with an S, meaning if a better support realease even if it's a sidegrade of a character you already have: get them to get more team options. It does not mean getting just one fixed team that you'll use for everything and calling it a day without adapting it for the content). Example: Some of the "most used teams" that shows up on those "stats" for some of the DPS are awfull for Appocalyptic shadow specificaly. Many people just slap their MoC team in AS without thinking, and expect it to perform well -> Most of the time thats NOT the best team for each DPS in AS when it's a mode where matching elements and breaking is so important : it's a very bad metric to judge the value of characters and it's very missleading.
- The only "must pull" in this game are two harmony 5 stars of you choice, but one of them must be Ruan Mei ;) (Silver Wolf?? I agree with you, she's not a must pull at all. She's good, but not in every team)
- the "problem" that good new players like you are facing to get max rewards are not "you did not choose the correct characters", it's just trailblaze power time that you are missing to get better traces/relics for your teams (and luck maybe: all those missed 50/50 are painfull T_T)
- Maybe I'm biased for all the points above, but I'm a day 1 player that do not have neither Acheron nor Firefly and I'm still clearing with max rewards every piece of content without any struggle. I'm no whale (five battlepass, the daily card since day1 and one pack of each for the bonus before the anniversary reset), but I did some vertical investment on the rerun of my favs units (and their supports). I think the point he makes about the light cone and strong eidolon is a sensible one for older players (not a new player like you tho, you need options at the begining).
Considering your questions about spending on your account for the channel : I'm not in favour of it if the goal in the end is to be like every CC under the sun: aka having all characters, all available archetype, all lightcones (I'll lose interest). What I love about your channel, aside from your very good perspective and analyse on the game, is to watch your "new player" progression with the limit it imposes. Thus, if the goal is spending a bit to catch up and speeding your progressions a bit for the characters and team you like and have already chosen, then by all mean not a problem for me.
edit: oh, and for ZZZ content? I do not mind it being on the same channel, I'll be interested as well even if I'm not sure I'll play the game myself
One thing about the spending, besides potentially making the modes easy, is that the satisfaction of getting a character and seeing them perform really drops. I think being a low spender with the battle pass and daily jade things is fine and I don't really lose excitement because of those. But I lost the 50/50 for Aventurine a few banners ago, and I went and spent 50 bucks on jade to be able to pull for him. I basically felt no emotions when I got him. However, I recently lost the 50/50 for Firefly, but I've decided to not spend besides the daily login thing and the battle pass. I was so heartbroken when I didn't get FF. I actually felt something. Now, I'm scraping up every single jade I can manage, I can get to 78 total pulls and try and get there. It's going to feel so much more satisfying (or heartbreaking if I don't manage to get FF), because it's going to feel like I earned it.
Don't whale out to make guides to cheat content since this is not relatable to the average player. I like your low spend hard core / new player approach. There are a ton of other content creators that whale out like ooh look 36 stars with my 3 million damage E6S5 Acheron, I only spent $2,000 to win a game. JUST DON'T.
I see your point, but misleading, can be a strong take, especially, when most show their build. Maybe they're showing you what vertical investment looks like or min/max potential. I don't think anyone knows the average player. If you're asking for relatability, then everyone should clear content, according to ZMM's no pull account or people who do 4 star only runs. If they can do it, why can't the average player. The average players should have these 4 stars at the rate they're chasing 5 stars.
I like what one of the comments on Iyo’s video said. Powercreep is not the ceiling of teams (their highest potential), but the floor (the minimum investment/effort to clear).
While I agree that theoretically any team can clear endgame content, it’ll take more investment/effort to clear compared to newer units like Acheron or Firefly as even Iyo admitted the HP thresholds are getting higher and higher so I think that Powercreep totally is a thing in the game.
i've never heard an irish and american accent battle it out in one man
Building pity is when someone does pulls on a banner they don't want the character of. They do this in order to get to that soft pity, 75 pulls. This, however, can lead to all the pity being built being wasted if they do accidentally get the 5 star character they didn't want.
Soft Pity: The chances of getting a 5 star greatly increases after 75 pulls have occurred.
Hard Pity: The maximum amount of pulls you can do before getting the 5 star character (90).
Building pity is just pulling hoping to make it easier to get the 5 star in the next banner (this is just an excuse for a player to get that dopamine rush when someone pulls).
I only really build pity when it's a character i do want but cant afford to pull for yet in the hopes i get lucky and get them before hard pity, and when the 4 stars in the banner are ones i want/need copies of
Most people seem to misunderstand Silver Wolf's value, Boothill/ Firefly add their element to reduce the toughness bar, however they will still be damage resistant to that element, SW adds an element and removes the resistance to that element And reduces defense, that is invaluable, Super Break only scales off of 3 stats, RES pen, Defense reduction/Ignore, and weakness break effeciency.
Good point, the strongest break damage we can get is from RM+SW combo. Literally one shot otk most boss, but I think SW got downplaying by community is bcs of her energy issue, which happens to player who don't have tutorial lc. Whilst me with my SW can get ult back in one turn, I put her value as second best support behind RM
I think the crazy part about Firefly and Acheron is that instead of falling off, they're going to become even more insane with a certain few characters that are going to release for their respective teams.
Yeah, because they are not tied to the Hypercarry archetype, but to a broader ones: Break and Debuff.
@@poxelusbroad is the opposite word you’re looking for. they belong to more niche archetypes, meaning mihoyo can give them super specific broken supports without affecting much of the rest of the cast
@@Internextion I've meant, that their archetypes are not specific to them alone. For example Blade doesn't have any HP supports still, because those mechanics are exclusive to him. Break is a broad mechanic, since we already have like 3 limited 5* characters to play with and a lot of 4*. Acheron really only needs debuffs, which is the whole Nihility path, it's as broad as it can get.
they are gonna fall off too just like Imbibitor Lunae and Jingliu. in 3.X there is gonna be stronger dps
Two things about Power creep in my purview: First thing is that if you're concerned about the longevity of your units in power creep what need to look at is the floor, not the ceiling. You need to see the least amount of investment necessary to get full marks, not the biggest damage-per-screeshot that can be attained. Second is that many people in my estimation just refuse to build proper teams. They want to run ANYTHING together and be able to clear all content, that's not how any of this works. This a turn based STRATEGY game, you need a strategy to get clear content, the days of brute forcing content are pretty much over unless you whale(I do not advise doing that.
Final note is that clearing endgame content full marks unless you whale is going to take you months to get there. You can't "rush" your way to the end, it takes time. I've been playing since 2nd half of 1.6(6 months) and I do spend money on the game (probably an average of 80$ a month discounting battle pass). You have to be patient.
P.S. You CANNOT build everyone. do NOT try to do that especially if you're F2P or Low spender. You will have a terrible time.
Hoyo designing endgame content cycles to cater to the latest character banners is actually a point *against* power creep -- because the added power is a temporary illusion.
Power creep is real in EVERY gacha game. Without it it would die.
Here's my take on Sig lightcones and edilons as a player since game launch. Ftp and low spenders SHOULD study the LC options for a champ they really like and want to build a team around and priortize to pull for the lc and edilons that are extremely awesome. But not for many. For instance sig lc for main dps can be a great option if they have a cracked one but not usually necessarily for a harmony character like MC or Ruan Mei. Now Ruan Meis is awesome but is it REALLY worth the jade? Shes cracked anyway with 3 star meshing cogs. Shes cracked at e0. Does she really NEED edilons and LC NO! But if you are going to run Acheron forever or Dan IL etc you probably want their LC. 😅
Dude, Ruan Mei LC is cracked on Harmony MC. Jing Yuan LC us cracked on various AoE characters. Seele LC is cracked on many Hunt characters, so on and so forth...
This isn't Genshin. LCs are very useful.
I don’t understand. His video is about powercreep but his whole point is about about to be able to beat the game f2p or not.
29:55 That is exactly his point, it is not about the hyper carry anymore, that is the combination of Ruan Mei and HMC + a DPS, instead of the DPS + any harmony that can buff
45:13 Firefly doesnt have Res Pen at E0 yes. However, she has break vulnerability multipliers. On top of that, RES PEN can just come off from Ruan Mei.
52:48 Yea, Seele really falls off quite hard later on. I really think that Iyo overestimates Seele by a long shot.
Prior to Firefly and Apocalyptic Shadow & Divergent Universe I didn't think it was the case, but as somebody that has Firefly, Acheron, and then most of the other recent top tier DPS (Ratio, DHIL, Jingliu, Kafka, Seele), both Firefly and Acheron are significantly better than the other DPS units. And in the new Divergent Universe (SU), Firefly is in my opinion about twice as strong as Acheron, who alongside the FUA team is comfortably 2nd best in that game mode.
On of the broader issues has been the expanding HP of enemies, rather than their increasing damage. I think generally speaking, SP management pending - survivability is not too much of an issue but clearing some of the recent MOC has been an absolute slog without Acheron and Firefly - and I do try most of my teams and run multiple times to compare. And for comparison's sake, both my FF and Acheron teams are around 300 points better than any other team in Apocalyptic Shadow.
There's also some impending power creep - Yunli just flat out replicates Clara but better, for example. Hopefully it slows down a little bit soon.
I don't think Iyo makes a relevant point at all with his f2p account clearing MoC 12, given he has 2 of the strongest 3 teams for recent MoC's, largely down to new units (Acheron, Aventurine) who massively outperform older units.
His f2p clears does make a point but it's not that powercreep doesn't exist. It's that if you invest smartly, you can clear highest difficulty challenges as f2p. People who spend a lot of money can "fix" their mistakes to make up for their lack of insight
@@isshonsaha8673 I believe it's 50/50. Iyo is in the realm of a hardcore gamer with HSR by now. Armed with way more knowledge which yes, admittedly people can look up, but it's the timeframe he decided to do this that matters too. People's accounts hold different stories in what they can gather together at the time, wisely and unwise.
If we're talking about f2p folks beforehand who had the potential time to learn? I can see it. For those say starting right around Penacony, I believe it can be a different story, both in their newness factor and xyz level of experience they have with this game climate.
That's just for when people can get their accounts 'online' to properly tackle it. As for the powercreep argument? I don't think it exists as many people say it does, it's more like the 'ease of access' with set ups increased with a more improved character floor. Older characters need to meet higher relic demands, while the newer (Acheron and Firefly) respectively are getting personalized sets tailored to them, which does alleviate some of the burden.
to be fair these modes are specifically made to cater towards them. they’re not much stronger than other characters in actual performance, hell my ratio team clears as fast as firefly, its just that all the buffs focus on those two atm and they’re getting the most support
next apoc definitely seems to be harder for both of them. no lightning weak, no ult or break buffs, no annoying adds.
Agree with this take. I started around the start of penacony, saved for acheron(till e0s1) then pulled aventurine, Robin and currently Ruan mei. As of now I have been able to clear all the endgame modes the game offers and with ease I'd say and all I have been doing is pulling favourites, they just happen to be very strong meta wise too.
While a person who would have started at the same time as me but wasn't interested in acheron or Robin or ruan mei might not be able to do the same. The average f2p experience varies alot by minute factors which are difficult to generalise. @@Naruto4995
Definitely real at E0. Not so much as you go up in Eidolons. Newer characters tend to have a higher floor and lower ceiling. They also tend to have some very specific drawback to keep them "balanced" (usually their team requirements like how FF requires HMC/RM to really do her thing). That's what puts the "big whale" teams so far ahead like Acheron, FuA, DoT, or hypercarry when eidolons get involved.
The term power creep, is misleading. The reason is, no one has place a standard of measurement for hsr. Most, seem like a ease of use argument or popularity. Some people use cost efficiency argument, this is why some believe Seele is better than Firefly. The other issue is the game requires a team, so it makes it more complex. Would Firefly be as effective with Archeon's favorite team comp or vise versa? So this debate will go on, until someone makes a clear and accept standard.
You also started during Black Swan banner? Awesome me too, I spent immediately on Dan Hung IL. He’s fun to play with his animation and how hard he hits.
Im currently 6 min in, and well. I cant talk for a lot of DPSes as far, as i have only DoT team (yep with RM) and Jingliu-Hyper. And to be fair, i kinda surprised that Jingliu on AVG have below 3.3k from a prydwen stats / ur statistic. Idk if your from prydwen or not tho.
But my e0s1 Jingliu cleared AS for 3.4k with a: e1s1 Bronya, e4s3Resolution Pela and e4s5 QPQ Gallagher. No super-break, no Ruan Mei, no insane limited 5 star investments. So current iteration of AS for sure doable with Jingliu over 3.3k w/o crazy investments. And probably doable with DHIL/IPC team on 2nd side with more generous investments and good team build i'd assume.
1:15:11 I mean he still 3 got 3 stars using a honestly bad team + a weaker version of the Meta one.
And you seem to ignore the Fact that Both Teams Don’t need to hit 3300 just that one side needs to cover it.
So for example it’s possible even if you get 1100 AV on one side but if you can get 1500+ AV on the other you still end up with 6600 aka 3 stars.
I don't disagree with your take on power creep. I think the discussion is a bit muddled by people saying that power creep is what is causing them to not be able to clear content when, for HSR at least, its that newer character have better ways of working with their archetypal teams or they really are good at a particular way of doing damage. I think this is why Seele for all the hate she gets is still relevant; because her kit is well constructed, she has access to a relic set that makes her even better(Quantum set), and she has a good selection of support characters to make her shine even more.
As for me I am a day 1 player: For the limited characters, I have lost every single 50/50 and for all the characters I do have I also have their lightcones, though two were gotten during a rerun (Silverwolf and Fu Xuan). For all the characters I didn't get the only one I really regret at this time is Sparkle because I was building Kafka DoT team and went for Black Swan and also go for Acheron. I noticed the archetype setups Hoyo was wanting early and got very picky about who I pulled and I have been able to get many of the characters I wanted. This of course means I have skipped a far share of characters but that is what happens when you go free to play. Ultimately you need to be smart about who you pull and why you pull.
The only LC that I specifically pulled for is Acheron's because I like the unit. I don't think limited lightcones matter that much because I've been max clearing every endgame since 1.2. There are always budget LC options and they work fine (maybe not for Boothill tho)..
Isnt losing a 50/50 on a banner you dont need a good thing?
No, because you could have saved those tickets and pulled on a banner you *did* need. If you don't need the character it's safer to not pull.
No because that 50/50 could have been another copy of a unit your account needs.
I am F2P player and I play from day 1. As a F2P I have to consider very carefully what I pull for. I usually I have enough jades/tickets to pull one character in every patch, so I have to consider several things to deceide is it worth to pull a character or not for my account. Back when Loucha came he was a big buff as sustain for my account because I needed a good healer, so I skipped Silverwolf for Loucha. I skipped Seele and pulled Jing Yuan. He carried me very long time, but as Kafka and Acheron also introduced - I have both - they are better to use agaisnt Lightning weak enemies nowadays. Most of the time I feel LL just too slow and in the end game MoC or now in Apocalyptic Shadow speed is key. This game is speed based gatcha game, so you force to abuse this everywhere as possible. Sparkle was a good boost for Jing Yuan, but I could not pull for her LC, because of I am F2P, so yeah I enjoy being F2P it is a challange. Of course variety of other characters can be used to clear end game content just need to invest more on gear to complete that. There are tons of videos about clearing end game content with specific or commonly used characters. They are good guides to find the issue in my characters and where I need to invest more. Nub play the game as you want to play the game. IMO if you follow F2P or low spender player that is more interesting to crack certain end game content for showcase and perhaps others can learn from that. I definitally will learn :).
Silverwolf reran in 1.5 -1.6 the patch right before 2.0 so you barelly missed her- the issue with silver wolf is that her best lightcone is not obtainable anymore and she fallsoff really hard without it.
with that lightcone she is skillpoint positive and has 3 turn ult.
without it she needs to skill 3 times to ult in 3 turns.
Only way for your SW to 3turn ult and be skillpoint positive is with E1 if you don't have the event lightcone.
Her rerun was in 1.5
well silver wolf is prime example of powercreep, as she turned from must pull on release to being a worse pela now. firefly/boothill/acheron already have weakness implant and characters like inbibitor lunae fare better with another support and brute forcing than using silver wolf.
@@ondrejbilka5903 Why would you run Silver Wolf with break characters to begin with? The only reason they can implant on their own is so it doesn't make them useless in content that doesn't favor them, because what's the point bringing a damage dealer whose damage is built around the break status but they can't break the enemy? It would make them useless in all that content. Personally, I'm not against that philosophy but it would also suck a lot of fun out of using those characters for a lot of players who love using them, so I understand why they went down that route.
I pulled Silver Wolf on her rerun and I always find good use for her whenever a team demands it, but she's definitely not a must have anymore, as we have more and better elemental coverage now. However, her ability to implant is universal until another support does it better than she does.
@@ondrejbilka5903thats not powercreep thats the community being stupid
@@niigolover true, my mistake.
Respectfully, don't put ZZZ in this channel. I like that it is star rail focused. I like turn based games, not specifically gacha games. So that's why I follow star rail specifically.
Last rerun from SW was in 1.5 second phase with Argenti.
Mostly the people skip that patch for get Ruan Mei in 1.6
Just players than play since 1.1 has SW with tutorial.
And before Acheron SW was in the box in my account.
for Idea on where to cover other gacha games you can rename this channel to nub's gacha or something like that if changing channel name is possible
Yeah Apocalyptic Shadow is a lot like Hydra in RSL. Can you make some budget teams work? Yeah sure but can you get top end rewards and scores without meta characters nah...not really. Same thing in HSR. Its less of of thing in HSR though.
hot damn you make a lot of sense on the challenge pull part.
"he already have the unit he like so it's easy for him to skip non meta" is so reallll
Genshin’s power creep has a way gentler curve for several reasons. New support units work very well with old characters.
Many new DPS units are incredibly strong within a niche they have.
There are several core characters from the beginning that will always improve many different teams very well on a mechanical level. So some synergies just never go out of fashion unless the content is made to stop those specific characters.
i don´t like iyo but I enjoy your reaction and discussion on the topic
I think you should do ZZZ on this channel, atleast starting off! Especially if you’re not sure you’ll like and actively play ZZZ, I think it’s okay to diverge in this channel a little (also because I’d really enjoy watching your videos on it). If you get reallly into ZZZ and wanna make way more content for it then you can make a second channel for it once you actually get a feel for the game. Love the content man, keep it up 🥂
A few thoughts:
In HSR the word "Hypercarry" has a specific meaning, specifically having to do with Robin/Sparkle/Tingyun/Bronya/Ruan Mei increasing the atk/crit/dmg/etc of a single strong unit and them carrying the team by doing a vast majority of the damage.
Because of this arbitrary definition, the new Superbreak team is different from Hypercarry because in those teams Harmony MC, Ruan Mei, and even Gallagher all do significant damage to the enemy on top of the damage someone like Firefly/Boothill/Sushang/Xueyi/Himeko will do.
When I listened through Iyo's vid I also thought his definition of power CREEP was too narrow - the game has power CREEP, but old units are still viable.
Silver Wolf did a rerun in like Oct/Nov last year, so you missed her by like 2 months when you started your account. I'm not sure on exact dates because it was close to when I started, too.
There are so many people clearing content with 4 stars and other units which are not BIS for the "season", you must get specific stats and well built char but It Is doable.
ye but those usually have superinvested accounts e6s5 4 stars with insane relics. Powercreep exist either way, older characters are weaker than new ones.
@@dante19890 man, we are One year into the game and you can use himeko, guinaifen instead of firefly, Gallagher Is free, Armony MC is free, there you have the super break. Powercreep Is real but so far honkai was pretty chill with it
Silverwolf was rerun in argenti first banner so is ridiculous to say new players should get silverwolf.
i think you showing a more relatable account and progression would be cool to watch even if you're not 100 percent f2p
24:19 yeah Lightcones are just bait for spend money.
I good S1 Jingliu time ago right now i will prefer other E0S0 than the S1.
And i just try pull in lightcones banners when 2 of the 3 four stars lightcones are good for my account.
the question of powercreep is easy to answer, can you get full stars in all endgame modes with only the characters that released in 1.0? If yes then the powercreep is irrelevant if no, then it´s a problem.
Harmony MC makes Firefly stronger than she really is. It's honestly Harmony MC that's broken.
Harmony MC can make any character with high toughness attacks OP.
I don't think it works like that. Sure HMC is good support and there's no character that provides the same. But to say FF isn't the one doing the real damage is wrong, she's by far the biggest abuser of the mechanic, She has big toughness on AoE, self implant, gives herself a ton of Break Effect, a lot of SPD, etc.
@Toonlink003 You're delusional and the numbers already prove it. Her damage SKYROCKETS with HMC. Hell, HMC can make anyone do massive super break damage with high toughness skills.
Numbers don't lie.
@@jamess359 So? HMC is free and the only unit that brings the mechanic. I can guarantee you that there are other character similar toFF* Like DIHL without Sparkle or Acheron without LC.
And no, no one abuses the mechanic as much as FF you have to be "delusional" to think otherwise.
While I think there has been some powercreep, I don't think it's nearly as bad as people think.
The patterns seems to be this: a new character comes out that sets a new high bar for damage and/or team damage. And then they release new characters that buff other team types, bringing them up to or exceeding the previous record. Rinse and repeat.
So for example, Acheron set a new high bar. Then Firefly came out and arguably set a higher bar. But now Jiaoqiu is coming out to buff the Acheron team.
I agree with your about Jing Yuan, but he's gotten a ton of buffs, most notably Sparkle. But if they add a new support that's akin to a 5-star Tingyun, it could make him competitive again.
Regarding LCs, I don't think he's necessarily talking about needing signature LCs. But you're probably not going to get good enough 4-star LCs just from pulling the standard banner, either.
Also, while they obviously want to incentivize players to pull for new characters, they are releasing good F2P options. The new March can absolutely function as a budget Ruan Mei, for example.
Himeko and Herta powercrept everyone in Pure Fiction.
Iyo is just right on all fronts in terms of progression. Invest horizontally till you have two team archetypes then VERTICALLY invest in those comps. If you aren’t doing this reap what you sow imo.
vertically investment literally means e0s0 isnt good any longer like it used to be. Meaning powercreep
@@dante19890 e0s0 has literally only ever been cope in regards to dps.
@@ectoBiologist21 worked great in 1.X when the endgame content was easier
Combine your HSR and ZZZ into this one, covering all HoYoverse games, even if u do get back into genshin or cover new HoyoVerse games.
I really believe eidolons help in balancing powercreep.
For ex :- i have jingliu at E0S1. My FF powercreeps her, its visible . If i want to keep her relevant i should probably pull her eidolons but this should be applicable if and only if i like her toooo much and prefer her over new dps. Which isn't the case with most players bcz they just want new toys.
Here comes :- horizontal vs vertical investment.
I really believe there should be other way to get eidolons for older units rather than getting them like u r pulling a completely new character fighting 50/50.
This can help players but is bad for company since they will get less revenue on the first run bcz most people will think that they will pull eidolons when its easier to get.
My take is :- powercreep is real and it should be otherwise game will get boring if u keep smashing everything with blade(i have him too 🤭)
powercreep was there (just look how jingliu outperformed blade), but it just started to look more and more with newer units bcz now not only blade is being Powercrept by jingliu but both acheron and FF which makes him less viable.
These team clear averages don't give the best picture for actual real world results imo, because different people will have differetly invested teams. And a highly invested team sill score way above the average.
My QQ team with Tingyun (instead of SW, to make use of the stage buff and clear the adds more consistently) and Sparkle clears AS side 1 with 3400-3500 score relatively easily, for example.
I'm soooo glad I found HSR over Raid.
I think you can just upload zzz on this channel, and i like how your are more of low spender / hardcore / newish player as i am also one. Whales often make very unrelatable videos, maybe fun to watch once in a while but most times is just boring.
He is not called bad takes Iyo for nothing
I'm not mad at any decision you make. Play the game how you want I say
Firefly and boothil are not hypercaryy they're break teams
but u play them like hypercarry. 2 supports buffing 1 dps
No way you used prydwen tierlist as a base for saying powercreep exists 😂
Your definition of powercreep is wrong
Powercreep :the situation where new content or features make older ones obsolete or irrelevant, creating an imbalance and a loss of diversity in the game.
That is powercreep just searn "powercreep definition" and idk why do you think it has a diferent meaning
54:45
Hsr Devs are smart. they are trying to break the mold of "hypercarry" playstyle for certain endgame content. outside of moc in pf and apocalypse where hyper carry is not as reliable. More than ever you need to match elements to break and then deal damage. But still, Ruan Mei breaks the game. One of the most broken characters ANY game has ever released for their game
you insult Bob Ross 😥
iyo is not really a good player he is clueless
he is a whale. He uses jades for refreshes
I'm F2P+ , mostly the time i can get just 1 promotional character for patch with everage luck.
And the game just need good speed in your supports and the good characters.
The Eidolons just made the game easy and rarely challanger.
The lightcone banners is nor really need it, mostly the time just mean 1 or 2 cycles less in Moc.
Power creep is a common challenge in multiplayer games, especially those that involve progression, customization, and updates. It refers to the situation where new content or features make older ones obsolete or irrelevant, creating an imbalance and a loss of diversity in the game. Google power creep definition and their legit a content creator who beat AS with 4 stars so.
long answer: yes
short answer: yes
3 things to consider:
-According to data from prydwen(global) and NGA(CN) there are around 12-15 characters that are not able to get max rewards for some time.
-It was already proven that some characters are mathematically incapable of beating enemies in some rotations, even with almost impossible BIS setups.
-Tectone is f2p, Iyo spends a good amount of money and likes that playstyle a lot.
Tectone isn’t f2p lol
Tectone isn't f2p 💀
i think poercreeping is fine when you powercreep a boring character or powercreep a character who has been released in like a year or even powercreep in a high reward high risk character type a style
powercreeping in LC is fine tbh its easy to get a 5 star LC you have a really good chance yto get what you want its 75/25
Iyo is a mega whale and he trash talks f2p people im not f2p but still kinda dislike him heavily
but he did that full clear on a f2p account?
@@SutomuraidaZXhe's pretty rude in his comments he assumes everyone's f2p he told me to buy the battle pass even though he knows nothing about me or how much I spend
@@mrJones-ii7sh Did he tell you this on that video? Because i checked through every comment and you didn't comment once.
@@andrewhaydock5557 I wonder why lol
@@andrewhaydock5557 ask tec or his mods to pull up iyo's logs on tec chat, bro was telling people to "off" themselves a few days ago.
Calling Silver Wolf a must pull nowadays is a wild Iyo take. It's becoming standard for dps to be able to implant their own weakness or have a way to ignore it. And that's the main reason why you run Silver Wolf. The more dps that can do it on their own, the less value Silver Wolf has. It's only a matter of time before there's a new Quantum dps that can do it and Silver Wolf will have no place remaining in the meta. Except for running archaic Seele teams.
silverwolf isnt best in slot for any team right now. While pela is
tl;dr Iyo redefined the definition of power creep to suit his argument. He makes some good points but the fact that enemies have more HP now clearly indicates power creep, because old units cannot keep up compared to newer units. I think that's also quite proven by some experimental F2P non-pull or low pull accounts that try to clear as much of the game as possible without pulling, where the introduction of MoC12 completely changed the landscape because while it was difficult but doable to previously clear MoC10 with only free 4*, the power creep even with insane artifacts made it impossible because older units simply do not deal enough damage or sustain good enough to clear said content.
i feel like you’re the one not understanding what powercreep is. 4 star only runs no longer work because content is harder, but none of this matters if older 5 stars can still clear. and guess what? they can. obviously new content caters towards new characters, but the gap between new characters and old characters, especially once content stops catering towards them, is really really small. theres so many examples on youtube of old units getting high scores, its very much possible. people say the real powercreep is in the amount of investment needed, but thats also not true. new characters being catered towards is what makes them need less investment, once thats gone they need just as much as everyone else. acheron is a good example, she needs as much if not more investment than most dps. needing lc is already more than most. not to mention needing a 5* nihility that most accounts dont have, as well as things like aventurine or trends lc.
@@Internextion No, you're definitely making a disingenuous argument here. Power creep simply means that something old which previously worked does not work as well because something new does it better than the old stuff did. In most gacha games, the easiest way to introduce power creep mechanics is to simply make content harder e.g. more enemy HP, more enemy damage or other mechanics newer units are better at dealing with than older ones. A great example is Acheron's innate res pen or Boothill having weakness implant on demand, because these things let them bypass certain game mechanics other units in a similar role as them could not.
That does not mean that old things cannot work when the stars align, but the effort to make it *consistently* work compared to the new stuff is just so much more difficult because the content is balanced around the new stuff, not the old stuff. Hence power creep.
@@Kamishi845 and yet acheron and jingliu take the same amount of effort to make work so thats not really the case now is it
@@Internextion Acheron does more overall damage than Jingliu at the same eidolon and LC so I would say that's not a true statement.
Bro really like pushing his agenda first it was dual dps and now it's about no powercreep 😂
Naa the Seele is not worth the time for the damage will give you in the end.
I got Seele E0S0 in 1.0, and since i got Jingliu and my Dots team i didn't use her.
Why? Cuz i didn't wanna spent 3 months farming perfects artefacts for my seele hit a 5% more of damage.
That is why the Seele is not worth it to build right now.
Just who is a Seele main and have perfects rolls and sparkle can clear with Seele.