Start pogba, sub ode, sell ozil. Ozil was the better player but man when the guy wasnt at it mentally he was fucking useless off the ball it was like playing with 10men. Ode has his uses off the ball.
Bit of a hard comparison really though, comparing two players that played in the era of touchline wingers in 4-4-2 days to a guy that played as an inside forward and a striker at times in a 4-3-3. But shocking backing from Grizz.
Gets what?? Saying Giggs was overrated is one of the worst takes ever! Yes a horrible human for what he did to his brother but a world class footballer. Turkish needs to rewatch that goal Giggs scored against Arsenal where he dribbled past half their team!! May rethink his awful take!
Ryan Giggs is miles better player , go look up top 10 goals & assists oh yeh & trophys 😅 oh & Ryan Giggs was bossing it for 20 years at the highest level
Grizz rather be a peace maker rather than being honest, Turkish nailed it. The Mane disrespect is mad. Nostalgia is a crazy thing. Sadio was quicker, stronger, better finisher with both feet than both Pires & Giggs. Work rate, played as a 9, scored more goals, got more assists. The goals in big games against United, City, Arsenal, champions league final
@@TheAsh320 Mane hit double figures in 8 straight seasons in the league & won a golden boot. Giggs had 2 seasons where he had double figures and he played double, nearly triple the games and twice the amount of campaigns that Mane did. Nostalgia is mad, like Turkish mentioned earlier in the debate, half of these players wouldn’t be the same in today’s game.
31:37 Ozil had to deal with Giroud’s shenanigans when he went through a 15-game goalless run during the season Ozil racked up 15 assists by Jan lmao what are we doing here.
Yeah and Arsenals number 9 Jesus scored 4 goals last season and 11 the season before 😂😂 would trade him for Giroud in a heartbeat who scored 16 goals in that season which is more than any Arsenal striker has scored in the last 5 years 😭😭
@@ajabs0341 Odegaard joined Arsenal permanently in 21/22 the same season Auba was kicked out of the squad after playing only 14 games with 4 goals and the season before that in 20/21 Auba scored 10 goals in 29 games
@@ahmedkhalled1427 You're wrong about the World Cup Final. Upamecano wasn't even playing for France in 2018 lol. You only got Griezmann goal right, rest was scored by Mandzukic (og), Mbappe, and indeed Pogba (3-1)
Kante deserves to be the debate of Keane, Vieira and Rodri. His accolades and longevity are equal, if not greater than the rest. For a long time there was a conversation about Kante having already eclipsed the legacy of Makelele and renaming the position as 'Kante role'. He made jorginho get a ballon d'or shout. He unlocked Pogba like no other midfielder.This guy squared up to prime Busquets, pocketed Messi and won man of the match. He had an insane engine which provided complete coverage of the field. Minute 1 to minute 120, Ramadan or not Kante was always going to give you a performance.
The 3 mentioned were better footballers. Rodri gets big assists and scores big goals, ESPECIALLY when City need it. So did Roy Keane in his prime. Kante was a ball winner and play the simple pass. He was nowhere ear as technically gifted as Vieira or Rodri.
@@Freespeechmedia-r2x he’s not wrong, great player and world class at times but his best attribute was his longevity and makes it sound like his peak was greater than it really was
A few takeaways for each segment: 1. Rodri is world class, starts all day 2. The disrespect on Mane is criminal 3. Unlocking Pogba mashed potatoes *BOP!*
@@chainsawman-stoic I don't think so you know, Vieira rarely turned up in the UCL and I actually seen prime vieira get dominated in the CL and internationally, whereas Rodri is dominant everywhere. Vieira is better technically, but Rodri is the greater player because of his consistency in all competitions.
Paul Pogba did not live up to the potential but watching him at United the amount of time Pogba put attackers through only for them to miss their chances was unreal
Martin odegaards best szn has the same g/a as Pogba in the league both on 22 with Pogba playing 2 LESS GAMES😂😂😂 Pogba played in a much more defensive position as shown by the fact his defensive numbers completely destroy odegaards Genuinely don’t understand what people wanted Pogba to do? Did they want him to intercept the ball from his own box then dribble past the entire team and score from 30 yards out Its a disgrace that was even a comparison
both pogba and ozil never challenged for the league 4 their respective sides......ability wise they r probabaly better....but when it has come to performances in the pl....id say its a debate between odegaard nd ozil..... pogba aint even in the picture
@@cloudyjdiketso8750they all achieved 2nd in the prem. Also let’s not forget the fact that Pogba and Ozil actually won trophies for their respective clubs. Odegaard and Ozil have played for the same club. For which player has the club actually invested money? Throughout Ozils 7 years at the club, I’d guess they spent around 300m. Arsenal did that in basically one year during Odegaards time.
@@Sathavan whats the difference between being 2nd but 19 points behind the champions nd being 2nd twice but 5 nd 2 points behind the champions....u ddnt nullyfy my point....u can be 2nd with 59 points whilst the league winners get a 100 points...tht doesnt mean u challenged for the league....plus we r speaking about the PREMIER LEAGUE....anything else is besides the point of discussion....nd my point is tht its more of a debate between ordegaard nd ozil....yes ozil was class but inconsistent nd could be a defensive liability in the modern game....ordegaard has a lot of aspects in his game tht compliments the modern game very ...no more of this thing where the star player doesnt track back or work harder thn his teammates.... ordegaard not only works harder thn ozil but leads the press nd controls arsenals tempo....not to mention he is their maestro in possession...the reason y arsenal play intricate football
Dude what has pogba done in epl? He flopped in Man U they got rid of him😂 odegard has done better put up more num Closer to wining the ball epl, pogba is much better player we all know that but in epl he sucked 😂
@@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pv pobga is clear in every aspect of the game. Vision, strength, skill, shots. Yes he was inconsistent but pure ability, it is pogba. Also adding laughing emojis doesn’t strengthen your argument btw.
@@carlmoss9054 turkish would take a bullet for martinell, but doesn’t rate one of the most decorated footballers of all time you can’t make it up. we really ruined these guys childhood
They got overrated because of winning that many leagues.Overrated doesn’t means they are bad it means that they are highly rated than what they are. Talking about Martinelli who rates him so highly right now so how can he be overrated.
@@Ahmad-jx5kuhow does that even make sense? They won so much that they became overrated💀😭the only reason ppl call them overrated is out of hatred, bias or because they simply didn’t watch them play.
Modric came on in that game and changed it tbh, he scored a banger from outside the box and made a few big chances. It was his first good game for Madrid (before that he was dogshit), literally after that game he started to play brilliantly. It was in March 2013 and by the time 13/14 season came around he was the best CM in the world that season (along with Yaya Toure)
@@ahmedkhalled1427so cos Gini Wijnaldum scored the 2 goals he was the overall best player on the pitch? That's like saying Pogba was the best player on the pitch vs City in the 3-2 comeback. I don't mean Giggs was the match winner I mean from a performance perspective.also to say Giggs is 'Nowhere near' those guys is hilarious especially when you see how his legendary teammates speak about him. Ronaldo himself chose Giggs as a better player over half those names lol
Yooo this show has the best football content by far, the chemistry all you guys have is on another level, the banter is elite and so is the football knowledge all of them together no other channel or show come close big up all you man thanks for making the international break less boring and you lot should have 1M subs at least it’s crazy I can watch this free, your all legends can’t wait for the next one guys 👊🏻
Every argument he had for odegaard 1st, he could have made the same for mane, but instead went with the more technical players, but grizz is not consistent. I can't believe someone would rather have odegaard than pogba/ozil in their team.
Ozil, Odegaard, Pogba. Pogba and Ozil had equally amazing International careers but Ozil clears him in the prem. Odegaard story hasn't finished his story and COULD clear both.
@@K_Truth7 that doesn’t make sense, it being more important by default makes it a better goal. Pressure and circumstances matter. That plus it’s a better goal regardless Hope this helps
@@Obligated4 Giggs was better than Mané. Where I will give Mané his plaudits is that he scored more goals per season they Giggs typically did. However, Mane doesn't have as many titles as Giggs, Giggs has over 100 goals and has over 160 assists and Mané doesn't.
Ødegaard is so much better than Pogba it’s crazy, Pogba is literally talked about as someone with ability that didn’t do anything with that ability, he needed a world class dm, a world class striker, someone to do the hard yards for him for him to be good, where as Ødegaard does the hard yards, according to opposition fans he doesn’t have any world class players around him, you seen the difference in this Arsenal side when he’s not there. With Pogba Fergie decided he wasn’t good enough, Mourinho couldn’t get the best out of him, ole couldn’t, back at juventus before he got suspended there was talks about cancelling his contract, so since 2016 he’s only really been consistent for France
Agendas had to run as rivals but it was clear as day he was the best player in united for SOO long forced to play in a pivot holding Mctom/Freds hand 🙄
Pogba was never a flop, sure he underperformed but a flop is someone like Anthony/ Sancho/mudryk/Enzo. because if we apply the same scrutiny they gave Pogba as of now Declan rice and caicedo are both flops. The media was asking Pogba to score all sorts of goals and win the league by himself… Finally I also believe someone like Nico Pepe wasn’t a flop just saying
@@SirMonkeySuit that’s because they wanted him to win the league by himself pretty much. If Arsenal never win the league after buying rice for 100 mil, using Pogbas standards we should all call him flop. Caicedo too. Pogbas hype was justified after his seasons at Juve, finalist if ucl and euros POTY in Italy and TOTY at 23, check the team of the year in 2015, that’s arguably the best selection of players you’ll ever see. What have rice/ caicedo done to earn that type of transfer fee? Now we just letting them get away with it because they can run around and win tackles…
Why do people pretend Mane was some average player? At his peak he was the best in the Mane Firmino Salah attack. Big up Turkish for fighting his corner, Grizz is a disgrace.
@@rogersmith9535 who actually said he was average? Maybe you sensitive Liverpools fans need to actually understand what they’re saying first before getting all triggered 🤣
If Pogba was so bad, why did Pep want to sign him twice despite his struggles at United. He was great going forwards but too many managers played him deep. Pogba’s quality was unrivalled & to date, he won more trophies whilst in the PL than Ozil & Odegaard. Pogba’s G+A wasn’t too bad either considering he played in a deep double pivot
@ Not really bc Pep wanted them before they signed for United not after. Whereas with Pogba, even after Pogba flopped at United, he still tried to sign him
Start RODRI. Rodri is PL all-timer easy, top-3. Grudgingly, Rodri is the ONLY player itw that gets into any squad. Can control the midfield on his own. Had he not played to his level last season, we would have deffo won the league last season.
Ozil Won 4 FA cup at arsenal and still has the season with the single most chances created at 146. lead the Prem in assists and had a 20 assist season If we're just basing this on the Prem then it's him clear easy. I'm not sure what football these United lads are watching. And I'm a chels fan so I have no love for the gunners.
Nah sorry putting Odegaard in that is wild. His career is not over or even near the end. He has to be bottom just for now because he is so young. Coming from an Arsenal fan. Big up TheBig6ix🔥🔥🔥
Turkish was absolutely spitting when it came to odegaard. Before saliba and them even came through odegaard had already made the team his. I remember 1 game against west ham where we were losing 3-0 and it was odegaards individual performance that dragged us all the way back into that game. And he did it without registering a goal and an assist. Odegaard is a problem and you guys should hve realized it this season when our creativity went immediately down the drain when he wasnt there. Pogba for as talented as he is...was always a puzzle that utd had to figure out how to fit into the team...and they never did.
every time anyone criticizes someone on the panel they delete the comment and block the channel! embarrassing since everyones contents are based on criticizing owners, players, managers & refs! GROW A PAIR!
I just said for Grizz to stop waffling and he blocked me. Unsubbed and arrow down moving on. It works both ways. Just reading these comments and looks like another hour saved of my life.
Mane mad underrated, dude carried Liverpool for years, yea salah great but mane was the one coming up with clutch goals and tracking back to defend then running back to the opposition goal and put one behind the goalkeeper Mane was a workaholic, with amazing end product
@ I’m not a Liverpool fan but I happened to watch a lot of Liverpools games during klopp era (mostly 2018 to 22) and mane scored so many clutch match winning goals, as well as equalisers especially during lockdown
@Chumbed scoring clutch goals and carrying are still not the same thing, mane was class in that team, but we still had firmino, salah, trent, robertson, allison, van dijk, so it's definitely not carrying, just being an integral part of an elite team
For the wingers debate, it was between Pires & Giggs. Mane easily sits in that squad. It's crazy how they put him in sell. Nostalgia clouds are TOO high
Mane’s technical ability was so underrated, elite dribbler and his passing was his most underrated part of his game. Go watch his assist against Villa 19/20, weak foot ping to Robbo back post on the money, he was cold
In the Prem, Pogba has to be sold, no consistency at all. Start ozil for his19/20 assist season and flair. Bench odeguard. As an overall player I would take POGBA overall. But since it's prem only he's got to go
I hope Tobi wasn't trying to say Grealish was on the bench for half a season, in the treble winning season. He had the 5th most appearances in the squad in all comps. In terms of minutes, he played almost as many as Bernardo and KDB(that bracket of importance). In the CL specifically, he played more minutes than both of them and Haaland too. He was a key player for that 4 CBs system, which Pep came up at the start of Feb. He also had the 3rd most assists in all comps. Granted, he had a difficult first season, a good second season but then didn't kick on in his 3rd season, as we all hoped he would, injuries played a part but that doesn't excuse it fully. That goes against the value for money argument, but Tobi's argument was Grealish has never delivered any season, which is a myth agenda peddlers try and push... He's delivered for City more than Pogba has for United, that's for sure. Neither were ever £100m players(Poga actually cost more with agent fees and image rights etc) in terms of ability, commercial value(marketing departments) was a big factor for both and how both clubs justified the cost.
Turkish is spot on with the Odegarrd, Pogba, Ozil debate. Very retrospective debate the others were having and it’s disingenuous. No one thought any of those players and managers would be as bad as they were when they came in at United (all highly rated at the time), equally no one knew some of the players around Odegarrd would turn out so good. You can’t just blame the managers and players around them for all their poor performances, yeah some maybe but not all of it. (Liverpool fan so no horse in the race)!
Turkish, I’m rewatching the start of the Odegaard, Ozil, and Pogba debate. When Matisse, Saeed, and Tobs all said Pogba straightway, you asked if they’re crazy. And they said yes…meaning “yes, I’m crazy”.😂😂I’ve clocked it now.
Man U fan here. I'll take Rodri everyday of the week. Class of a player that looks like he is from the older generation, but irl, he's peaking in 2024 modern age. Even as a man, the way he presents himself, very serious about his stuff.
You man were debating HARD on Pogba vs Odegaard completely forgetting Ozil likeeeeeee Ronaldo one of the goats said his best assister in his career was him, he even said in a presser Madrid shouldn't of sold him. He would of smashed the assist record in a season if Grioud didn't ghost for 5 months. He technically is CLEAR of Odegaard and Pogba combined
Grizz you're genuinely a disgrace to all Liverpool fans. To the point i'm convinced Turkish has paid an Arsenal fan to come on and pretend to be a Liverpool fan the way you constantly brown nose Arsenal.
@@mshah6835 Yes because me saying this guy is a disgrace and brown nose is quite obviously a reflection of my life. Lmao absolute ⛑. Keeping riding those youtuber nuts.
Settle it people..
START/SUB/SELL - Pogba, Ozil, Odegaard👇
Start pogba, sub ode, sell ozil. Ozil was the better player but man when the guy wasnt at it mentally he was fucking useless off the ball it was like playing with 10men. Ode has his uses off the ball.
start Pogba sub Ozil sell Odegaard it's mad that odegaard is in this list he's nowhere near the other 2
Start Pogba Bench Özil
Prem : Odegaard, Ozil, Pogba
General: Ozil, Pogba, Odegaard
Start Ozil, bench Pogba, Sell Odegaard
Mane played as a 9 too and balled. When they can't win an argument, they count trophies. 😂 Turkish gets it.
@@agulannaifeanyi1753 must be a Liverpool fan. Neutrals who are 30+ know
@agulannaifeanyi1753 ya the argument seems to be ability and trophies. Mane had both.
Bit of a hard comparison really though, comparing two players that played in the era of touchline wingers in 4-4-2 days to a guy that played as an inside forward and a striker at times in a 4-3-3. But shocking backing from Grizz.
Gets what?? Saying Giggs was overrated is one of the worst takes ever! Yes a horrible human for what he did to his brother but a world class footballer. Turkish needs to rewatch that goal Giggs scored against Arsenal where he dribbled past half their team!! May rethink his awful take!
Ryan Giggs is miles better player , go look up top 10 goals & assists oh yeh & trophys 😅 oh & Ryan Giggs was bossing it for 20 years at the highest level
Grizz rather be a peace maker rather than being honest, Turkish nailed it. The Mane disrespect is mad. Nostalgia is a crazy thing. Sadio was quicker, stronger, better finisher with both feet than both Pires & Giggs. Work rate, played as a 9, scored more goals, got more assists. The goals in big games against United, City, Arsenal, champions league final
@@Joshw77 how old are you, did you even watch those two?
correct, pires is overrated mane clear
@@Joshw77
I will respect your point if your over 35
@@TheAsh320 Mane hit double figures in 8 straight seasons in the league & won a golden boot. Giggs had 2 seasons where he had double figures and he played double, nearly triple the games and twice the amount of campaigns that Mane did. Nostalgia is mad, like Turkish mentioned earlier in the debate, half of these players wouldn’t be the same in today’s game.
@@Joshw77 Grizz is a coward
31:37 Ozil had to deal with Giroud’s shenanigans when he went through a 15-game goalless run during the season Ozil racked up 15 assists by Jan lmao what are we doing here.
Yeah and Arsenals number 9 Jesus scored 4 goals last season and 11 the season before 😂😂 would trade him for Giroud in a heartbeat who scored 16 goals in that season which is more than any Arsenal striker has scored in the last 5 years 😭😭
@@Kovacs901 You forgot about Aubamayang
@@ajabs0341 Odegaard joined Arsenal permanently in 21/22 the same season Auba was kicked out of the squad after playing only 14 games with 4 goals and the season before that in 20/21 Auba scored 10 goals in 29 games
Mane was 2nd in balon dor and for Grizz to not bring this up disappoints me as a liverpool fan
He's the most sus Liverpool fan ever.
Grizz doesn't do enough to back Liverpool.
@@splinter360 I think he is an Arsenal fan, who did not want to battle with AFTV.
Grizz dont even watch ball it seems
He’s such a bad representative of the club. Find myself disagreeing with most of the things he says
The idea of Pogba vs the reality of Pogba 😅
Scored in the euros final and world cup final, won both. Won leagues. Your just waffling.
@@AFCWiporead the title of the video again mate
@@AFCWipo the video is about premier league performance :/
@@ahmedkhalled1427 You're wrong about the World Cup Final. Upamecano wasn't even playing for France in 2018 lol. You only got Griezmann goal right, rest was scored by Mandzukic (og), Mbappe, and indeed Pogba (3-1)
@@AFCWipo never seen someone cap with chest like this😂
The Mane slander is too much. Toby has too many opinions.
This guy rates sterling to ffs
Facts thinks he knows it all…silly sausage!
@@wys5511 mane is nowhere near sterling
@@kosisochukwuobi6649absolute delusion, one was an awful finisher as the main goal scorer and one was an amazing finisher as the 2nd goal scorer
@ Sterling gotta be the most underrated winger in pl history cus this is crazy
Kante deserves to be the debate of Keane, Vieira and Rodri. His accolades and longevity are equal, if not greater than the rest. For a long time there was a conversation about Kante having already eclipsed the legacy of Makelele and renaming the position as 'Kante role'. He made jorginho get a ballon d'or shout. He unlocked Pogba like no other midfielder.This guy squared up to prime Busquets, pocketed Messi and won man of the match. He had an insane engine which provided complete coverage of the field. Minute 1 to minute 120, Ramadan or not Kante was always going to give you a performance.
Kante at Leicester City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rodri
Makelele was better
Premier League Era... Kante is an unbelievable player but he didnt do enough in the EPL to enter into this convo...my opinion
The 3 mentioned were better footballers. Rodri gets big assists and scores big goals, ESPECIALLY when City need it. So did Roy Keane in his prime. Kante was a ball winner and play the simple pass. He was nowhere ear as technically gifted as Vieira or Rodri.
The technicality point that Turkish bought up related to Mane was class, Turkish knows ball
Mane... Skill, Speed, Physicality, Air, Shot Power, Shot Acc, Selfless
I'm so surprised by the Mané debate. I think Mane could be top. And I'm an Arsenal fan.
Thank you!!!! Mane was definitely first for me
Mane was miles clear of Pires even made Best 11 and top 3 Ballon D or, these guys are mad
One I said ONE premier league mate 🤣 giggs won over 10, two champion leagues, cups galore and played until he was like 40 come on!
@@GooonersFC how old are you
@ maybe but the sheer number of trophies won by these Utd players can’t be ignored
Turkish thanks for backing mane. ❤ YNWA
And at the same time saying Giggs was overrated is a madness!!
Ryan Giggs is miles better player go look up top 10 goals & assists oh yeh & trophy’s 👍
@@Freespeechmedia-r2x he’s not wrong, great player and world class at times but his best attribute was his longevity and makes it sound like his peak was greater than it really was
@Freespeechmedia-r2x I agree that giggs is absolute class btw... I was just happy one guy stood up for mane.
@@veteranclips007if I was in the prem for as long as he was I’d expect to be top 3 g+a
A few takeaways for each segment:
1. Rodri is world class, starts all day
2. The disrespect on Mane is criminal
3. Unlocking Pogba mashed potatoes *BOP!*
@@Ahlami-rk6sj viera is clear of rodri
@@mohammedahmed3763 viera is 1000000000x better than rodri, these guys have negative ball knowledge
@@chainsawman-stoic I don't think so you know, Vieira rarely turned up in the UCL and I actually seen prime vieira get dominated in the CL and internationally, whereas Rodri is dominant everywhere. Vieira is better technically, but Rodri is the greater player because of his consistency in all competitions.
@@mrhussain9008 different eras bro
There were so many good teams then but now there are only 2/3 teams on city level plus coach Pep
The Mane disrespect is MAD.
Call out grizz that old chapati
Prime Mane over Prime Pires and Giggs easily 😂
For real though
After he minced all their clubs for years
@@TUTENSKENGSHow can one be "mad overrated" when he is continuously underrated, go on, explain?
Paul Pogba did not live up to the potential but watching him at United the amount of time Pogba put attackers through only for them to miss their chances was unreal
Years later when people look back at pogbas stint, people will remember him as a different player.
Martin odegaards best szn has the same g/a as Pogba in the league both on 22 with Pogba playing 2 LESS GAMES😂😂😂
Pogba played in a much more defensive position as shown by the fact his defensive numbers completely destroy odegaards
Genuinely don’t understand what people wanted Pogba to do? Did they want him to intercept the ball from his own box then dribble past the entire team and score from 30 yards out
Its a disgrace that was even a comparison
Zlatan the number 1 culprit. Robbed Pogba of like 12 assists in one season 😭
@@icetray865 yeah very true i remember Pogba's first season, he was putting it on a plate for Zlatan plenty times but he was missing chances for fun
@@ayaanlatif2296Odegaard can't lace Paul's boots.
How is odegaard getting in a conversation with ozil and pogba ..
Odegaard is levels above both 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴
both pogba and ozil never challenged for the league 4 their respective sides......ability wise they r probabaly better....but when it has come to performances in the pl....id say its a debate between odegaard nd ozil..... pogba aint even in the picture
@@cloudyjdiketso8750they all achieved 2nd in the prem. Also let’s not forget the fact that Pogba and Ozil actually won trophies for their respective clubs. Odegaard and Ozil have played for the same club. For which player has the club actually invested money? Throughout Ozils 7 years at the club, I’d guess they spent around 300m. Arsenal did that in basically one year during Odegaards time.
@@Sathavan whats the difference between being 2nd but 19 points behind the champions nd being 2nd twice but 5 nd 2 points behind the champions....u ddnt nullyfy my point....u can be 2nd with 59 points whilst the league winners get a 100 points...tht doesnt mean u challenged for the league....plus we r speaking about the PREMIER LEAGUE....anything else is besides the point of discussion....nd my point is tht its more of a debate between ordegaard nd ozil....yes ozil was class but inconsistent nd could be a defensive liability in the modern game....ordegaard has a lot of aspects in his game tht compliments the modern game very ...no more of this thing where the star player doesnt track back or work harder thn his teammates.... ordegaard not only works harder thn ozil but leads the press nd controls arsenals tempo....not to mention he is their maestro in possession...the reason y arsenal play intricate football
Turkish embarrassed himself today. Pushing hard for Odegaard and saying Giggs was overrated!!!
This Odegaard recency bias is crazy 😭😭😭🤦🏽♂️
So mad
Meanwhile Palmer is world class after one season, if we’re talking recency bias sit this one out buddy
Dude what has pogba done in epl? He flopped in Man U they got rid of him😂 odegard has done better put up more num Closer to wining the ball epl, pogba is much better player we all know that but in epl he sucked 😂
@@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pv pobga is clear in every aspect of the game. Vision, strength, skill, shots. Yes he was inconsistent but pure ability, it is pogba.
Also adding laughing emojis doesn’t strengthen your argument btw.
@@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pvhe didn’t suck it the team and sometimes u as good as what around you
This is the exact content we've been wanting to see. Just like the Top 6 stuff!!!! 🔥
So many United players get called overrated but somehow won 13 titles 😂
@@carlmoss9054 turkish would take a bullet for martinell, but doesn’t rate one of the most decorated footballers of all time you can’t make it up. we really ruined these guys childhood
It's incredible😂The coping from rivals.
They got overrated because of winning that many leagues.Overrated doesn’t means they are bad it means that they are highly rated than what they are.
Talking about Martinelli who rates him so highly right now so how can he be overrated.
It don’t make sense 🤣😂
@@Ahmad-jx5kuhow does that even make sense? They won so much that they became overrated💀😭the only reason ppl call them overrated is out of hatred, bias or because they simply didn’t watch them play.
The way Pep talks about Fernandinho. The way people forget
Recency bias😢😢
Big up the Mandem!! Saved us big time, during these dark times of international break. True Goats! Thank you mandem
Turkish is an elite content creator. What a show! 🎉
Turkish I’m so happy that you was backing mane. I can’t believe people was so easily putting him last.
I gotta show my girl this video, I need her to be talking about me the way grizz talks about rodri 😂
Yea I don’t get it, city player too
@@notfamoswtf don’t you get , I speak about footballers . Not only Lfc ones 🤣
@@FootballKhanage Grizz UR A BEAST
@@FootballKhanage you didn’t put respect on any black footballer but no trophies odegaard twerk sesh
@@FootballKhanage unc grizz you glaze Rodri too much is all I’m saying. He’s a proper player
Saeed brought up Modric in 2012 lmao. When he was still considered the worst ever La Liga signing.
Modric came on in that game and changed it tbh, he scored a banger from outside the box and made a few big chances. It was his first good game for Madrid (before that he was dogshit), literally after that game he started to play brilliantly. It was in March 2013 and by the time 13/14 season came around he was the best CM in the world that season (along with Yaya Toure)
@@blurryflex It was 2013 and he was already good by then
Modric wasn’t the guy to bring up, but Cristiano, RVP, Rooney, Di Maria, Xavi Alonso were on the pitch and giggs was better than all of them that day
@@ahmedkhalled1427so cos Gini Wijnaldum scored the 2 goals he was the overall best player on the pitch? That's like saying Pogba was the best player on the pitch vs City in the 3-2 comeback. I don't mean Giggs was the match winner I mean from a performance perspective.also to say Giggs is 'Nowhere near' those guys is hilarious especially when you see how his legendary teammates speak about him. Ronaldo himself chose Giggs as a better player over half those names lol
Yooo this show has the best football content by far, the chemistry all you guys have is on another level, the banter is elite and so is the football knowledge all of them together no other channel or show come close big up all you man thanks for making the international break less boring and you lot should have 1M subs at least it’s crazy I can watch this free, your all legends can’t wait for the next one guys 👊🏻
Turkish was cooking in this show 🔥😂
Mane disrespect is crazy in his prime he was the most complete winger
How is grizz fighting for no medals odegaard but no fight for premier and ucl winner sadio mane?
@ trust me I am confused as you are, he said he was one of the most effective wingers like he didn’t finish second for the ballon d’or in 2022
@@nzz3525 .
@@sh3y_Yh but that ballondor finish was fugazi/heavy INT comp tax if were real. Probably his worst season in a Liverpool shirt.
If you was born in 2019 just say so
I love this kind of content where people get together and debate about football. Keep up the good work guys.
How can grizz back no major trophies odegaard but shits on Liverpool LEGEND SADIO MANE!??!
He's honestly a disgrace. He needs to go on holiday so we can get a good Liverpool rep.
The odegaard arguement was literally players who havent won the league, get a grip
@@jdsky2758 Thank you
This old man Grizz chat shit, he needs a good slap….we need another rep for Liverpool
Every argument he had for odegaard 1st, he could have made the same for mane, but instead went with the more technical players, but grizz is not consistent. I can't believe someone would rather have odegaard than pogba/ozil in their team.
as a Liverpool fan i would SELL GRIZZ, Bench Montz & Start James Redmond. We need a new Liverpool rep immediately!
@@sirmeloLFC Expeditiously. He's awful.
Time for grizz to be replaced with a proper LFC fan. Disrespect to mane is crazy
The Only Fan Football channel I watch
The chemistry & knowledge with added banter isn’t matched elsewhere
Ozil, Odegaard, Pogba.
Pogba and Ozil had equally amazing International careers but Ozil clears him in the prem.
Odegaard story hasn't finished his story and COULD clear both.
@@D-Gunners1 Ød will never reach both level as a footballer. NEVER
@@phatbi971 well he already surpassed Pogba prem’s legacy🥴
Manè's debut goal against Arsenal is better than Giggs' goal against Arsenal in the semi-final.
A nothing game vs a semi final and the goal being in extra time after playing with 10 men?😂😂😂
@ayaanlatif2296 what does that mean? Lol Does any of that make it a better goal?
@@K_Truth7 yes, yes it does, infinitely better.. the exact reason why everyone argues Garnachos overhead isnt as good as others...
@PhoenixReturns No no no it doesn't lol those circumstances make it a more IMPORTANT goal, not better. Hope this helps.
@@K_Truth7 that doesn’t make sense, it being more important by default makes it a better goal. Pressure and circumstances matter. That plus it’s a better goal regardless
Hope this helps
Kante not being in the DM discussion is wild.
He is a legit game changer and could adapt to games
its not a discussion about the top3 in the prem ever, its a comparison about three players.....
@@BAM_LMAO ffs it’s a sss not a top3 discussion
Ozil is light years ahead of Pogba and Odegaard. Nearly broke the assist record with a team that couldn’t even finish a sentence.
The moment I saw Odegaard I knew I was gonna sell him. Pogba and Ozil are miles (I mean MILES CLEAR) of Ghostegaard
"Ghostegard"? Opinion rejected.
Premier league era tho Ø has had a better career than Pogba.
@@TM__11what has odegaard won to warrant having a better career than Pogba??
@@guymillington1939we’re talking about premier league and none of them have won the prem, but ø in the prem has been better than pogba
@@guymillington1939 What did Pogba do in the premier league other than getting booted by maguire ?
Hate how grizz is a Liverpool fan, how do you not back mane!! He’s legit one of the best LW’s the prems ever had wtf
"one of the" not THE best, that's the point
@@chideranwogu9091he won a golden boot, he ripped everyone. When we won the league people were saying he’s better than salah. Mane beats both
@@Obligated4 Giggs was better than Mané. Where I will give Mané his plaudits is that he scored more goals per season they Giggs typically did. However, Mane doesn't have as many titles as Giggs, Giggs has over 100 goals and has over 160 assists and Mané doesn't.
What's Odegaard doing there?
Turkish narrative..I'm surprised he didn't bring up Pepe
@@sibusisomthini1670 what's pogba doing there ?? Cuz he got booted by maguire ?? Pls tell me what did pogba do in the premier league ?
exactly whats a BASKETBALL player doin in the convo wtfs goin on???
Ødegaard is so much better than Pogba it’s crazy, Pogba is literally talked about as someone with ability that didn’t do anything with that ability, he needed a world class dm, a world class striker, someone to do the hard yards for him for him to be good, where as Ødegaard does the hard yards, according to opposition fans he doesn’t have any world class players around him, you seen the difference in this Arsenal side when he’s not there. With Pogba Fergie decided he wasn’t good enough, Mourinho couldn’t get the best out of him, ole couldn’t, back at juventus before he got suspended there was talks about cancelling his contract, so since 2016 he’s only really been consistent for France
Prime mane makes pires and giggs ride bench ez. One of the deadliest wingers in a 1v1 situation
The same man puttin pogba top called him the biggest flop in premier league history last season 🤣🤣🤣
Agendas had to run as rivals but it was clear as day he was the best player in united for SOO long forced to play in a pivot holding Mctom/Freds hand 🙄
Them RUclips juve pogba comps came into the mix
Pogba was never a flop, sure he underperformed but a flop is someone like Anthony/ Sancho/mudryk/Enzo. because if we apply the same scrutiny they gave Pogba as of now Declan rice and caicedo are both flops.
The media was asking Pogba to score all sorts of goals and win the league by himself…
Finally I also believe someone like Nico Pepe wasn’t a flop just saying
@@Prime1Wunna He didn't live up anywhere near to his transfer fee, definition of flop.
@@SirMonkeySuit that’s because they wanted him to win the league by himself pretty much. If Arsenal never win the league after buying rice for 100 mil, using Pogbas standards we should all call him flop. Caicedo too. Pogbas hype was justified after his seasons at Juve, finalist if ucl and euros POTY in Italy and TOTY at 23, check the team of the year in 2015, that’s arguably the best selection of players you’ll ever see.
What have rice/ caicedo done to earn that type of transfer fee? Now we just letting them get away with it because they can run around and win tackles…
Grizz had the worst takes out of everyone😭
Like what? I thought he was fine with his takes?
@@rajkaranvirk7525he said Odegaard dragged arsenal to title challengers 💀
Why do people pretend Mane was some average player? At his peak he was the best in the Mane Firmino Salah attack. Big up Turkish for fighting his corner, Grizz is a disgrace.
stop capping, mane was great but salah was the clear best
@@moemohamed7518 nope mane was better more impactful, salah has the longevity
Sigh. Why do some fans do this? Mane was never better than any version of Salah. This is like so obvious
@@rogersmith9535 who actually said he was average? Maybe you sensitive Liverpools fans need to actually understand what they’re saying first before getting all triggered 🤣
Mane was never better than Salah at Liverpool why do you people just say anything you don’t need to lie to praise a player
grizz is disgrace to say the least ,we need a better liverpool rep.
If Pogba was so bad, why did Pep want to sign him twice despite his struggles at United. He was great going forwards but too many managers played him deep. Pogba’s quality was unrivalled & to date, he won more trophies whilst in the PL than Ozil & Odegaard. Pogba’s G+A wasn’t too bad either considering he played in a deep double pivot
On your logic then Fred and Maguire must be good cause pep wanted to sign both of them 🤡
@ Not really bc Pep wanted them before they signed for United not after. Whereas with Pogba, even after Pogba flopped at United, he still tried to sign him
Start RODRI. Rodri is PL all-timer easy, top-3. Grudgingly, Rodri is the ONLY player itw that gets into any squad. Can control the midfield on his own. Had he not played to his level last season, we would have deffo won the league last season.
Pires was 1 of the first tall wingers I could remember. Tall but smooth. More glider than runner
I love it when Mattise does these high note insiteful agendas....what was that at 37:15 😂😂😂
Ozil Won 4 FA cup at arsenal and still has the season with the single most chances created at 146. lead the Prem in assists and had a 20 assist season If we're just basing this on the Prem then it's him clear easy. I'm not sure what football these United lads are watching. And I'm a chels fan so I have no love for the gunners.
4 FA cups is irrelevant. We talking prem And pogba was levels
Great great contents guys , well timed also for the international break , like seeing u guys all in one place keep up the good work
Nah sorry putting Odegaard in that is wild. His career is not over or even near the end. He has to be bottom just for now because he is so young. Coming from an Arsenal fan. Big up TheBig6ix🔥🔥🔥
Big Steve’s a funny funnyyyyy man 😂
Turkish was absolutely spitting when it came to odegaard. Before saliba and them even came through odegaard had already made the team his. I remember 1 game against west ham where we were losing 3-0 and it was odegaards individual performance that dragged us all the way back into that game. And he did it without registering a goal and an assist. Odegaard is a problem and you guys should hve realized it this season when our creativity went immediately down the drain when he wasnt there. Pogba for as talented as he is...was always a puzzle that utd had to figure out how to fit into the team...and they never did.
every time anyone criticizes someone on the panel they delete the comment and block the channel! embarrassing since everyones contents are based on criticizing owners, players, managers & refs! GROW A PAIR!
How many times have they blocked your account? 😅 What a strange thing to say
I just said for Grizz to stop waffling and he blocked me. Unsubbed and arrow down moving on. It works both ways.
Just reading these comments and looks like another hour saved of my life.
So glad to see a big football RUclipsr say that giggs is overrated. It’s so true big up Turkish
Start: Rodri
Bench: Vieira
Sell: Keane
Comparing odegard and pogba is crazy😂😂😂
Best show hands down.
Mad entertaining.
Mane mad underrated, dude carried Liverpool for years, yea salah great but mane was the one coming up with clutch goals and tracking back to defend then running back to the opposition goal and put one behind the goalkeeper
Mane was a workaholic, with amazing end product
Carried? Ok you're doing too much now
@ I’m not a Liverpool fan but I happened to watch a lot of Liverpools games during klopp era (mostly 2018 to 22) and mane scored so many clutch match winning goals, as well as equalisers especially during lockdown
@Chumbed scoring clutch goals and carrying are still not the same thing, mane was class in that team, but we still had firmino, salah, trent, robertson, allison, van dijk, so it's definitely not carrying, just being an integral part of an elite team
@@kristinalfc5846 scoring all clutch goals when no one else in the team could isn’t carrying?
Then please explain to me what carrying means
For the wingers debate, it was between Pires & Giggs. Mane easily sits in that squad. It's crazy how they put him in sell. Nostalgia clouds are TOO high
Wouwww Grizz…..Mané’s disrespect coming from you is ridiculous tbh
Commenting for the algorithm, you man are elite
Tobz Mah and Saeed are really forgetting how subpar Pogba was in a United shirt
That is exactly the content we needed during the break. Thank you guys !
Mane disrespect is crazy! Rare Turkish w, uncle grizz HOWLER
48:42 Grizz is seriously contemplating his life choices
More of this please 😊
Amazing selections Turkish. Its a great debate
Why is odegard being compared to Pogba
43:53 “more that you can believe” the timing 😂😂 Matisse always cracks me up when he imitates pep😂😂
the pogba disrespect is crazy man
WHAT DOES "BOOP!" MEAN!!
It’s not disrespect fam the Pogba fanboys argue with emotion and no logic
@@mowalid14 pogba was that fucking guy tho, he clears these two and im an arsenal fan, former ozil fan
@@tkSZN04 he was a flop lets be real
@@indubioproreo5 Not really, only had problems at utd everywhere else he was fine. Still one of the most talented player
A lot of y'all forget that Ozil won FA Cups with Arsenal in 2014, 2015 & 2017. How many trophies has Ødegaard won with Arsenal?
Giggs brought back some trauma from Turkish’s childhood lol 😂
This was actually a good concept😂
Big up Turkish, only one that backed mane with knowledge. I watched all 3 and for me mane is one of the best to ever get play that position
THAT. WAS. FIRE. We need another one with other players guys! GREAT FVCKING WORK!
Turkish telling the truth this episode🔥🔥🔥
This was cool to watch, big up guys LFTL
Elite Performance by Tobi!
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Mane’s technical ability was so underrated, elite dribbler and his passing was his most underrated part of his game. Go watch his assist against Villa 19/20, weak foot ping to Robbo back post on the money, he was cold
Tobi with his Grealish waffle again. Did he miss the season where he was instrumental in the treble?
Wallahi what a video. Arguably the best start sub sell vid ever seen ever. Props to all u man on this vid🙌❤️
Odegaard has such a great mentality that he has won nothing as well as ghosts in the big games - SUPEEEER MENTALITY YEAH 😂😂😂
Turkish rates Martinelli and Trossard but doesnt rate Giggs
@@imranhashmi3858 who told you he rates them as highly as Gigs?
what a dumb comment
He never said he rates them as highly as Giggs. Some people have serious comprehension issues.
He rates Trossard as 12th man and he's been calling for a starting left winger for nearly 2 seasons, what are you smoking?
Turkish vouching for Ødegård instead of Ozil is crazy for me.
La Pioche ❤️
Sell.
let it go ahk
McSauce did more for Yanited than Pogba
Is shit lol la pioche where was he against lfc hiding faking injuries running away lol 😂
In the Prem, Pogba has to be sold, no consistency at all. Start ozil for his19/20 assist season and flair. Bench odeguard. As an overall player I would take POGBA overall. But since it's prem only he's got to go
Ending finished me LOOOOL
Wait how tf is Kante not in that DM conversation???
I hope Tobi wasn't trying to say Grealish was on the bench for half a season, in the treble winning season. He had the 5th most appearances in the squad in all comps. In terms of minutes, he played almost as many as Bernardo and KDB(that bracket of importance). In the CL specifically, he played more minutes than both of them and Haaland too. He was a key player for that 4 CBs system, which Pep came up at the start of Feb. He also had the 3rd most assists in all comps. Granted, he had a difficult first season, a good second season but then didn't kick on in his 3rd season, as we all hoped he would, injuries played a part but that doesn't excuse it fully. That goes against the value for money argument, but Tobi's argument was Grealish has never delivered any season, which is a myth agenda peddlers try and push... He's delivered for City more than Pogba has for United, that's for sure. Neither were ever £100m players(Poga actually cost more with agent fees and image rights etc) in terms of ability, commercial value(marketing departments) was a big factor for both and how both clubs justified the cost.
Turkish is spot on with the Odegarrd, Pogba, Ozil debate. Very retrospective debate the others were having and it’s disingenuous. No one thought any of those players and managers would be as bad as they were when they came in at United (all highly rated at the time), equally no one knew some of the players around Odegarrd would turn out so good. You can’t just blame the managers and players around them for all their poor performances, yeah some maybe but not all of it. (Liverpool fan so no horse in the race)!
Turkish, I’m rewatching the start of the Odegaard, Ozil, and Pogba debate. When Matisse, Saeed, and Tobs all said Pogba straightway, you asked if they’re crazy. And they said yes…meaning “yes, I’m crazy”.😂😂I’ve clocked it now.
Why is Matisse chatting like he wasn't in diapers when half these players played 😅
Pogba is like Ronaldihno and Zidane. Doesn't put up the numbers of a Ronaldo/Messi/Lampard but we know he's a baller.
Grizz you hobbyist. How dare you invoke that silly day tripper line, "as a Liverpool fan" to disrespect Mane.
Man U fan here. I'll take Rodri everyday of the week. Class of a player that looks like he is from the older generation, but irl, he's peaking in 2024 modern age. Even as a man, the way he presents himself, very serious about his stuff.
You man were debating HARD on Pogba vs Odegaard completely forgetting Ozil likeeeeeee Ronaldo one of the goats said his best assister in his career was him, he even said in a presser Madrid shouldn't of sold him. He would of smashed the assist record in a season if Grioud didn't ghost for 5 months. He technically is CLEAR of Odegaard and Pogba combined
Clear technically of pogba is insane pogba is one of the technical midfielders we’ve seen in the prem so don’t waffle
If Madrid didnt sold him they would not be successful as ever, Ozil is only good going forwards but very bad and lazy to defend.
Grizz you're genuinely a disgrace to all Liverpool fans. To the point i'm convinced Turkish has paid an Arsenal fan to come on and pretend to be a Liverpool fan the way you constantly brown nose Arsenal.
It’s not that deep bro 😂😂😂
Lmao
@@splinter360 Jesus Christ get a life mate
@@mshah6835 Yes because me saying this guy is a disgrace and brown nose is quite obviously a reflection of my life. Lmao absolute ⛑. Keeping riding those youtuber nuts.
Pogba flopped in the PL, FACTS
Odegaard should not be mentioned in the same breath as Pogba and Ozil 😂 Solid show