Thanks for this helpful review. I've used Grammarly premium before, but the annual cost is now an issue. I will get ProWritingAid premium and then combine that with Grammarly's free version for my writing jobs.
Awesome! I hope you love the combo as much as I do :) I've been so, so, so impressed with PWA, especially given how little it costs over the long term (assuming you go lifetime) compared to paying endlessly with Grammarly.
I'm very confused insofar as - why would anyone wish to buy either one of these apps, when all it takes is a test of barely 7 questionably written sentences, before a grammatical blunder is overlooked, in the case of each!? That's shocking; and all the more is such so, when one considers just how many people, who appear to be using each utility! I'm one of the very few who entertains a passion for grammar; yet I am still human, and if either of these programmes came close to the standard which would be impressive, then yours truly might have had some interest, in taking a bite. Albeit, my interest was for P>>>W...A (munged so I'm not spammed for months to come...). However, the above review has now entirely relinquished same: Each app misses far too many mistakes, to be even remotely useful, when compared with any 'human grammar meister'. Thank you to the reviewer for your honest appraisal; which is fresh air (...if, that is, you'd be good enough to excuse that cheeky platitude), when compared to the other 'paidvertorials', which are most definitely running most liberally, elsewhere...
Thanks for your comments, and I'm glad you found the review useful in making your decision on whether or not to use these apps. re: "I'm very confused insofar as - why would anyone wish to buy either one of these apps, when all it takes is a test of barely 7 questionably written sentences, before a grammatical blunder is overlooked, in the case of each!? ...Each app misses far too many mistakes, to be even remotely useful, when compared with any 'human grammar meister'. " I think it depends on one's perspective and expectations (my hope was that my review would help with setting realistic expectations of what these apps can do). Anyone looking for an app that catches 100% of mistakes will definitely be disappointed - I haven't found ANY automated proofreading apps that are capable of doing that. And you're absolutely correct that a well-trained human being will catch more errors than either of these apps. That being said, I still like them since it's like having 2 extra sets of "eyes" go over my freelance work. Plus, it takes mere seconds to run an article through these apps, so isn't particularly disruptive to my workflow. I wish I caught 100% of my own errors 100% of the time... but realistically, I don't. So after manually proofreading my own work, I definitely find these useful as a quick way to look for goofy mistakes that I may have missed. :-) Additionally, every single proofreader I've ever hired for my books has missed at least one typo - so for future books, these apps could be a way to cut down on those missed mistakes prior to the book going live on Amazon. (i.e. I'll still hire an editor, but as a double check, I'll also run the manuscript through Grammarly and PWA to see if anything gets flagged.) Do these apps have room for improvement? Definitely. But for my needs, the combo of lifetime PWA and free Grammarly is still a very useful addition to my writing workflow. :-)
@@AveryBreyer Hi again. With the very greatest respect, may I ask if you'd mind my commenting, by example, on what you've written above please? I don't wish to come across as patronising, but there is something I've noticed, in your above response, which reminds me of an obscure rule (that I too often overlooked, until my late thirties) as to the formal use of inactive and active participle constructions. Nevertheless I must say no more, at this point, pending your response, except this: Frankly, I've no wish to dust off any 'holier than thou' halo (nor do I enjoy criticising from only a negative angle - as I'm, admittedly, very much a human as well...) inasmuch as I'm just very curious, whether either of the tested applications flag (or would flag) the very same matter too?
re: "There is something I've noticed, in your above response, which reminds me of an obscure rule (that I too often overlooked, until my late thirties) as to the formal use of inactive and active participle constructions. " I think there's a time and a place for really formal writing styles. But there's also a time and place for informal styles (and everything in between). My preferred writing style is conversational, rather than formal. And as I'm sure you're aware, conversational writing styles will never be 100% in compliance with obscure grammar rules. :-) I had to write formal essays, papers, and research reports (which earned A's and A-plus's from my picky professors) during my years in university. I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore, since I didn't enjoy it lol re: " an obscure rule ... the formal use of inactive and active participle constructions ... inasmuch as I'm just very curious, whether either of the tested applications flag (or would flag) the very same matter too?" No, I haven't tested these apps for that particular rule, sorry! My focus in testing these apps is on the kinds of errors that the average person wants to catch in their writing... the kinds of errors that the average reader will notice... the kinds of errors that the average freelance writing client will notice.
Grammarly DOESNT have a Black Friday sale. They only advertise that "ITS BLACK FRIDAY" LOLLL... but no discount. its just a regular ole sign up. So choose wisely !
Just a quick comment on "there" and "their". ProWritingAid, in the two examples that you mentioned false corrections, has offered two different corrections, not simultaneous corrections, allowing you to select which meaning you were aiming for. EX. There the care was expensive (meaning: at that location, the car was expensive), or Their car was expensive (meaning: the owners of an expensive car). Both are an option depending on your intended meaning, but not simultaneous corrections.
You raise a good point! Thank-you! I suppose if one corrected ONE of those two errors, then when PWA refreshes, the 2nd error would no longer be flagged as an error. It appears I gave PWA too hard of a time on this one hehe
Hey Avery, do you have a comparison with the paid version? The paid version basically reconstruct your whole sentence using Machine Learning, it's league behind their free version, or so they say.
Hi Chris! I assume you're asking about the paid version of Grammarly? I'm sorry, but I don't have a video on that at this time. I tried the paid version a while back (I'd guess it was about 2 years ago, but don't quote me on that hehe) and I was so frustrated by all the NON-errors it flagged (HUGE waste of my time) that I promptly cancelled it. You'll notice in a lot of demo videos and/or reviews people will show the high number of errors flagged by the paid version - but in my personal experience, that was NOT a benefit at all because the majority of them are not actually errors. There's a chance it's improved since then, but I haven't had time to test it out and see. So, I personally use the free version of Grammarly combined with the paid lifetime version of PWA - it's such a great value for your money that you can't go wrong (imho). Plus, I despise wasting time on tons of false alarm "errors"... so for me, this combo provides the most efficient use of my proofreading time.
I downloaded both applications based on this video and I was wondering what would be the best way to use them. Prowriting aid first than Grammarly or vice versa?
The way I do it is to use Grammarly first (free version) and correct any errors I find with it, then use ProWriting Aid (Lifetime Access paid plan) to go over it again. :) That being said, I'm sure the reverse would work well, too... the above is just my own habit of working with them.
Really useful, thanks! Have you had any experience with Antidote of PerfectIT? They're popular among translators (like me). I've been using these ProWritingAid and Grammarly to proofread and final eye, but, I'm looking for a tool that retains quality while making the process simpler!
No, I haven't, but thanks for your comment! :) I checked out the Antidote site out of curiosity, but I was concerned when I saw some awkward wording: "See our upgrade packages to take advantage of the improvements ***we have made during all these years.***" The part I highlighted with asterisks sounds a bit off, and that kind of thing is often a sign that their software has more issues than most. PerfectIT doesn't seem to be widely used yet - their site gets fairly low traffic... and if the other proofreading softwares I've tried are any indication, PerfectIT will probably benefit from aging a bit so they can improve it further.
@@AveryBreyer It's probably just because the website was written by native french-speaking people (I believe it's a Canadian product, but uses FR French too), but their English product is created by English speakers. It's been around for a long time and has a good rep among translators, so I doubt there's an issue in the linguistic sense. I was just wondering about the comparative quality of Antidote vs other programmes. Thanks for checking it out, though!
Yeah, it definitely doesn't catch everything. But if I run my content through these, AND proofread it myself, it takes way less time overall because I don't have to be quite as paranoid about finding goofy errors :) For freelance client work, I always run my content through these programs *in addition to a manual proofread with my own eyes* because one of my biggest promises to clients is articles that are 100% free of mistakes - these programs allow me to produce that in less time. For stuff that goes on my own blog, for example, I'm sometimes a bit lazy and skip a step or two since in that case I only have to answer to myself... i.e. if I screw up, I'm the only one that has to face the consequences of putting something out there that's not perfect. That being said, I plan on running future books through these programs to give myself one last chance to catch stuff that my human proofreader may have missed. :)
Thank you for the hints, this helps a lot!
Thanks for this helpful review. I've used Grammarly premium before, but the annual cost is now an issue. I will get ProWritingAid premium and then combine that with Grammarly's free version for my writing jobs.
Awesome! I hope you love the combo as much as I do :) I've been so, so, so impressed with PWA, especially given how little it costs over the long term (assuming you go lifetime) compared to paying endlessly with Grammarly.
I'm very confused insofar as - why would anyone wish to buy either one of these apps, when all it takes is a test of barely 7 questionably written sentences, before a grammatical blunder is overlooked, in the case of each!? That's shocking; and all the more is such so, when one considers just how many people, who appear to be using each utility! I'm one of the very few who entertains a passion for grammar; yet I am still human, and if either of these programmes came close to the standard which would be impressive, then yours truly might have had some interest, in taking a bite. Albeit, my interest was for P>>>W...A (munged so I'm not spammed for months to come...). However, the above review has now entirely relinquished same: Each app misses far too many mistakes, to be even remotely useful, when compared with any 'human grammar meister'.
Thank you to the reviewer for your honest appraisal; which is fresh air (...if, that is, you'd be good enough to excuse that cheeky platitude), when compared to the other 'paidvertorials', which are most definitely running most liberally, elsewhere...
Thanks for your comments, and I'm glad you found the review useful in making your decision on whether or not to use these apps.
re: "I'm very confused insofar as - why would anyone wish to buy either one of these apps, when all it takes is a test of barely 7 questionably written sentences, before a grammatical blunder is overlooked, in the case of each!? ...Each app misses far too many mistakes, to be even remotely useful, when compared with any 'human grammar meister'. "
I think it depends on one's perspective and expectations (my hope was that my review would help with setting realistic expectations of what these apps can do). Anyone looking for an app that catches 100% of mistakes will definitely be disappointed - I haven't found ANY automated proofreading apps that are capable of doing that. And you're absolutely correct that a well-trained human being will catch more errors than either of these apps.
That being said, I still like them since it's like having 2 extra sets of "eyes" go over my freelance work. Plus, it takes mere seconds to run an article through these apps, so isn't particularly disruptive to my workflow. I wish I caught 100% of my own errors 100% of the time... but realistically, I don't. So after manually proofreading my own work, I definitely find these useful as a quick way to look for goofy mistakes that I may have missed. :-)
Additionally, every single proofreader I've ever hired for my books has missed at least one typo - so for future books, these apps could be a way to cut down on those missed mistakes prior to the book going live on Amazon. (i.e. I'll still hire an editor, but as a double check, I'll also run the manuscript through Grammarly and PWA to see if anything gets flagged.)
Do these apps have room for improvement? Definitely. But for my needs, the combo of lifetime PWA and free Grammarly is still a very useful addition to my writing workflow. :-)
@@AveryBreyer Hi again. With the very greatest respect, may I ask if you'd mind my commenting, by example, on what you've written above please? I don't wish to come across as patronising, but there is something I've noticed, in your above response, which reminds me of an obscure rule (that I too often overlooked, until my late thirties) as to the formal use of inactive and active participle constructions. Nevertheless I must say no more, at this point, pending your response, except this: Frankly, I've no wish to dust off any 'holier than thou' halo (nor do I enjoy criticising from only a negative angle - as I'm, admittedly, very much a human as well...) inasmuch as I'm just very curious, whether either of the tested applications flag (or would flag) the very same matter too?
re: "There is something I've noticed, in your above response, which reminds me of an obscure rule (that I too often overlooked, until my late thirties) as to the formal use of inactive and active participle constructions. "
I think there's a time and a place for really formal writing styles. But there's also a time and place for informal styles (and everything in between).
My preferred writing style is conversational, rather than formal. And as I'm sure you're aware, conversational writing styles will never be 100% in compliance with obscure grammar rules. :-)
I had to write formal essays, papers, and research reports (which earned A's and A-plus's from my picky professors) during my years in university. I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore, since I didn't enjoy it lol
re: " an obscure rule ... the formal use of inactive and active participle constructions ... inasmuch as I'm just very curious, whether either of the tested applications flag (or would flag) the very same matter too?"
No, I haven't tested these apps for that particular rule, sorry! My focus in testing these apps is on the kinds of errors that the average person wants to catch in their writing... the kinds of errors that the average reader will notice... the kinds of errors that the average freelance writing client will notice.
Grammarly DOESNT have a Black Friday sale. They only advertise that "ITS
BLACK FRIDAY" LOLLL... but no discount. its just a regular ole sign up.
So choose wisely !
Garrett Evans Wow thank you Garrett, you've made my day!
you have about the software. I personally enjoy learning so it was a little bit easier to do it over ti. But you’ll get there brother
Just a quick comment on "there" and "their". ProWritingAid, in the two examples that you mentioned false corrections, has offered two different corrections, not simultaneous corrections, allowing you to select which meaning you were aiming for. EX. There the care was expensive (meaning: at that location, the car was expensive), or Their car was expensive (meaning: the owners of an expensive car). Both are an option depending on your intended meaning, but not simultaneous corrections.
You raise a good point! Thank-you! I suppose if one corrected ONE of those two errors, then when PWA refreshes, the 2nd error would no longer be flagged as an error. It appears I gave PWA too hard of a time on this one hehe
Also are you using the Mac or PC version?
ti (the instrunt into the channel rack) and then it crashes the soft soft... Can soone help please?
do you know why and if so how do i fix it?
Hey Avery, do you have a comparison with the paid version? The paid version basically reconstruct your whole sentence using Machine Learning, it's league behind their free version, or so they say.
Hi Chris! I assume you're asking about the paid version of Grammarly? I'm sorry, but I don't have a video on that at this time. I tried the paid version a while back (I'd guess it was about 2 years ago, but don't quote me on that hehe) and I was so frustrated by all the NON-errors it flagged (HUGE waste of my time) that I promptly cancelled it. You'll notice in a lot of demo videos and/or reviews people will show the high number of errors flagged by the paid version - but in my personal experience, that was NOT a benefit at all because the majority of them are not actually errors.
There's a chance it's improved since then, but I haven't had time to test it out and see.
So, I personally use the free version of Grammarly combined with the paid lifetime version of PWA - it's such a great value for your money that you can't go wrong (imho). Plus, I despise wasting time on tons of false alarm "errors"... so for me, this combo provides the most efficient use of my proofreading time.
anybody why when i loop a soft, at the end of my loop, my soft starts a half a soft early or late. makes it super frustrating
I downloaded both applications based on this video and I was wondering what would be the best way to use them. Prowriting aid first than Grammarly or vice versa?
The way I do it is to use Grammarly first (free version) and correct any errors I find with it, then use ProWriting Aid (Lifetime Access paid plan) to go over it again. :)
That being said, I'm sure the reverse would work well, too... the above is just my own habit of working with them.
Much appreciation.
Agreed. All the others just turn your brain upside down. Nice tutorials is simple.
i'm gonna rena and change color on my channel to stay super organized
Really useful, thanks! Have you had any experience with Antidote of PerfectIT? They're popular among translators (like me). I've been using these ProWritingAid and Grammarly to proofread and final eye, but, I'm looking for a tool that retains quality while making the process simpler!
No, I haven't, but thanks for your comment! :)
I checked out the Antidote site out of curiosity, but I was concerned when I saw some awkward wording: "See our upgrade packages to take advantage of the improvements ***we have made during all these years.***" The part I highlighted with asterisks sounds a bit off, and that kind of thing is often a sign that their software has more issues than most.
PerfectIT doesn't seem to be widely used yet - their site gets fairly low traffic... and if the other proofreading softwares I've tried are any indication, PerfectIT will probably benefit from aging a bit so they can improve it further.
@@AveryBreyer It's probably just because the website was written by native french-speaking people (I believe it's a Canadian product, but uses FR French too), but their English product is created by English speakers. It's been around for a long time and has a good rep among translators, so I doubt there's an issue in the linguistic sense. I was just wondering about the comparative quality of Antidote vs other programmes. Thanks for checking it out, though!
Thank you, so informative, like to see more such videos.
That's why I use both ;)
I'm in quarintine (like everyone) and wanted to learn sotNice tutorialng new. I thought I could just figure it out but soft is super confusing for a
Very informative. Thanks.
My pleasure! I'm glad you found it helpful :)
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Gonna do that combo: free Grammarly+ paid PWA. :P
You'll love it! :)
But I dont think it checks gerund.For example Reading books are good for child.
Yeah, it definitely doesn't catch everything.
But if I run my content through these, AND proofread it myself, it takes way less time overall because I don't have to be quite as paranoid about finding goofy errors :) For freelance client work, I always run my content through these programs *in addition to a manual proofread with my own eyes* because one of my biggest promises to clients is articles that are 100% free of mistakes - these programs allow me to produce that in less time.
For stuff that goes on my own blog, for example, I'm sometimes a bit lazy and skip a step or two since in that case I only have to answer to myself... i.e. if I screw up, I'm the only one that has to face the consequences of putting something out there that's not perfect. That being said, I plan on running future books through these programs to give myself one last chance to catch stuff that my human proofreader may have missed. :)
@@AveryBreyer Ok.That's Good 😆
I've seen grammar done before
software."
he adjusted the size of that reverb . hope tNice tutorials helps
Honestly, a very useful tutorial to break the ice going into tNice tutorials software
Simplicity soft
So we still out here struggling with ourselves or has anyone conquered? Lol
Ayooo
I bet most of them did not an to be homophobic or anytNice tutorialng.