I love Apple Music lossless and the Eversolo DMP-A6 natively plays it. I use an external DAC Denafrips Pontus II 12th-1 and DDC Denafrips Iris 12th via I2S. My Eversolo also has the upgraded LPS by Beatechnik. My Eversolo also has builtin music server with the 4TB storage, and I rip my CDs to it.
Through your videos and other reviewers high praise for the MXN10 I purchased one last night to replace WIIM Pro+ that is moving to another listening space, so this video was quite timely... btw for those interested I scored mine for $380 open box on the Cambridge Audio eBay store, extra 15%. off ends today! I'm not trying to promote it, just looking out for fellow Kmart Blue Light Special shoppers like myself. I'm not interested in a screen, I have too many already, just give me the music. Probably a Geshelli J2/3S in the future to put a bow on things, but I'll be looking out for your upcoming DAC videos. Thanks as always for another great video and for all that you do.
That Cambridge Audio eBay store is great. I purchased a CXNv2 to pair with a CXA81 from there. The CXNv2 performed flawlessly and I got it for $250 less than new at the time.
Hi Ed! Thank you for creating a fun and informative shootout. I’m picking up a WIIM Ultra as my starter streamer for Roon and a decent beginner DAC, with piqued interest in this mystery DAC you have for review. We love ya Ed!!!
@@OldGuyHifi do you have an SMSL SU-1 to compare it to? That seems to be the hot ticket budget DAC right now. I’m using one on my desktop system and it sounds really good.
@@superspeeder I don't right now. I do have a serious competitor to the SU-1 in house the is the same money but offers swappable op amps. It is seriously good for $80. I am going to get an SU-1 so I can do a shot out with them. Thanks for watching.
Finally,y a review n of a stand alone DAC.. I hate the thought of paying for a DAC/streamer when I have a top notch DAC. Love your content. This old guy subscribed long ago. Cheers from Canada.
Greetings from the beautiful Emerald Coast of northwest FL! I LOVE my Eversolo DMP A6 Master Edition in my MB Suite HI-FI! I do not believe a better component exists for the $. I still use & remain "satisfied" with my Bluesound Node on my Office HI-FI! Lower volumes & ambient noises do not "require" anything else right now. I have the iFI Zen DAC Signature V2 & Zen Can Amp for one headphone listening station & Marantz SACD30N CD Player/Streamer for another headphone listening station! I use the iFI Audio GO Blu DAC Amp for on the go! Focal Headphones...BATHYS & CELESTEES! Very respectfully, Billy P. Martin eodbillymartin eodaudiophile
I absolutely agree regarding the Eversolo A6 and the digital glare issue. I listen to a lot of jazz and when horns where in the mix I could not enjoy my favorites...I returned the A6 and now have the A8 different beast altogether. The AKM set up is far superior in the A8 to the A6,night and day to my ear.
I think that the AKM AK4499EXEQ+AK4191EQ switched resistor hybrid Delta-Sigma/Multi bit DAC will be a game changer for chip based DACs. AKM has some other interesting stuff coming in the future that uses that Velvet sound tech. I am smitten with that set up. I now have a Geshelli J2S which has that chip in a single DAC set up and it is amazing. Thanks for watching and sharing you experience.
From what I have seen the Eversolo A8 is an incredible streamer/DAC and couple tiers above the A6 but that is just based on the reviews. I am using my Technics SU-GX70 Network Audio Digital Amplifier with its built-in streamer. The black unit which I prefer is selling for $1,500. It does not have a DAC, the digital amplifier converts the signal. It is not Class A, B, or D. Interesting technology.
My friend Bob Fonseca who runs the channel United States of Analog has one of those new Technics units and loves it. Nice set up. Thanks for tuning in.
Thanks for the comparisons Ed! I love my Cambridge 851N so much (as a streamer) that I'm going to add a DDC inside to keep the Stream magic functionality! I'll keep you posted 👍
Good to hear your perspectives and equipment comparisons. Very interesting. If my PC and NAS ever die, I may have to investigate streamers, and this is very helpful. Thank you as always for your time, efforts, expertise, and for sharing this with us all.
Hey brother, I watched a lot of of your RUclips right on the TV so it’s hard to like anything you’ve got. I should probably just switch over to my phone and like it anyway I just wanted to say you explain things way better than all the other guys the other guys talk about shitand tell you how great it is you tell me why it’s great. I really appreciate you, sir. keep doing what you do I subscribed.
Hello Ed. I found your channel through Kevin's (of Skylabs Audio) recommendation. He was spot on. I'm really liking your insight on audio gear. Two thumbs up.
Hey Ed! Glad you uploaded a simple video to share your thoughts on each piece. I hope one day you are able to have an Eversolo A8 to try to go against the Orchard Audio Streamer! Would be really intriguing to know your personal thoughts between two equipment of the same dad chip but with different implementation on each unit.
I would like to. They both use the AKM AK4499EXEQ+AK4191EQ switched resistor hybrid Delta-Sigma/Multi bit DAC which I am smitten with. I have a Gesheeli J2S with that chip set and man I love it. I also have a Geshelli Dayzee coming in for review, which like the DMP-A8 use dual AKM4499s. That would be a great comparison. Thanks for tuning in and commenting.
Nice review! The MXN10 seems like a nice option as a streamer only. The DAC can be considered a convenience feature. The Pecan Pi seems like the streamer to beat. I’m looking forward to a comparison review of the Pi and the EverSolo DMP-A8 which both share the AKM 4499 DAC chip. If the Pecan Pi had an analog preamp it would be a no brainer option for me to pair with my Starkrimson Ultra amp.
Someone should talk Leo into that. He does make a DAC only version with the 4499 chip for about $700. I would love to compare the DMP A8 vs the OA unit vs my Geshelli J2S vs the Geshelli Dayzee which is on its way to me vs the FiiO K9 AKM as they all use the same chip. Fingers crossed. Thx.
I love Apple Music lossless and the Eversolo DMP-A6 natively plays it. I use an external DAC Denafrips Pontus II 12th-1 and DDC Denafrips Iris 12th via I2S. My Eversolo also has the upgraded LPS by Beatechnik. My Eversolo also has builtin music server with the 4TB storage, and I rip my CDs to it.
Wiim is hard to beat. The evoltion of features is unlike any other audio company currently on the market. Add the flexibility of hook up options to get the performance you desire. To sum up , value.
What made my choice simple, is not just the fact that each model is very affordable. It's the fact that all, except the Wiim Mini, have the capability to be used with the Logitech Media Server software and thus, you can add Squeezebox devices to your music system. I run LMS on a RPI and use the Squeezebox Duet Controller to control my Wiim.
Great observation. Thanks so much. I never considered that because I am not a Logitech user. I do UPNP from Audirvana which I love. The MXN10 works seamlessly with UPNP. Thanks for pointing that out.
Gino, Talk to Zeidman. He switch to the MXN10 from a WiiM Pro and loves it. Says it sounds much better. Cambridge has an open box, B stock store on eBay and he got his for like $350.
Nice comparison between the DACs. BTW, no playlists, as usual from me, but let me introduce you to 2 French artists/bands: - Noir Desir 90's indie rock that stopped du to some controversy about the singer and the fact that he went to jail but it's not important let the music talk, I saw them 3 times live each time a unique experience. I'd recommend starting with their 2nd (Veuillez rendre l'Ame) or 3rd album (Du Ciment sous les Plaines) Not understanding the language you will lose some of the richness of the lyrics but even then musically it's quite good (and some songs are in English) They're on Spotify, YT doesn't seem to have a lot of their albums - Manu Chao: and now for something completely different (sorry couldn't resist), take some indie rock, Spanish and South American music add some North African influences and you get Manu Chao, it's quite unique, lots of the songs are in Spanish but also in French, English, Arabic or a mix of them ... Start with Clandestino and work up the way till Radio Bemba Sound System which is a live and bursting with energy. He's on Spotify and YT There, that's it for me...
Great informative video. After all hype about Wiim, Eversolo etc, great to hear the real unbiased voice! Chapeau bas! I'd love to see second round between Orchard audio and Volumio streamer (yes ther eis standalone device named like this) and Holo audio Red streamer. All based on a rpi motherboard and volumio software. Especially interesting is holo red, since there IS NO REAL GOOD AND HONEST review of this device... my regards Ed!
I might be able to get the Orchard unit back. I will reach to Volumio and Halo and see if they will send me one. Thanks so much. I would take my hat off but, I have a bad case of hat head. Lol.
I have always believed that the Eversolo became so hyped because of its impressive do-everything approach, looks and the manufacturers ability to market it. There are those people that just want an easy one and done solution. And many manufacturers are filling that need. It’s like the BoomBox era is reinventing itself. Look at the Cambridge Evo One.
Reminds me of when Bose sold people all-in-one over price CD players with speakers attached. Except the streamer products actually give you more functionality over just your phone or computer. Now you can find tons of those old CD players in thrift stores for $20 or less
I like the way you go through your reviews, wholly subjective but no nonsense. Now I would like to have you explain which aspects you consider when you say one is better than the other; in other words how can a streamer affect sound quality. Did you have a chance to listen to the Bluesound Node 2024 ? (I just bought one for headphone listening only, so I am curious about your opinion) PS: New subscriber after a couple of vids
Thanks Nick. Watch the Cheap Audio Man's video from today. That will help explain things. He and I also discussed on a live stream just before the holidays. I am not a fan of Bluesound's sound quality. Personal opinion. Nothing more. Thanks for subscribing.
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I just saved her as an artist and I saved that playlist. I will listen tonight and let you know. I will also add that playlist link to the community page for everyone. I love discovering new music. Thank you so much.
I have a WiiM Pro that feeds a Cambridge Audio DAC Magic 200 via Optical, which in turn is input to a Sony STR-DG820 AVR used for 2.1 channel listening. A pair of Klipsch RPM-600s rounds out the system. Between the WiiM Pro and the AVR is a 10 band vintage Realistic analog equalizer . . . this collection of components I call my Prime system! 😎🔊👍🏽
I've never heard the Eversolo A6 but reading about it - ASR had to reduce the output voltage -2db to get 4v output on the balanced and again -2db on the rca to get 2v. I wonder if maybe the lacklustre results here were maybe due to output voltage being too high? I'm looking at a way to listen to Qobuz or tidal with my analog amp and have to say I'm losing enthusiasm for the A6 hearing reports about digital glare.
My goto streamer is the Cambridge MXN-10. At $399 it is a bargain. I do believe it is the best sub $1k streamer there is. Add a nice AKM chip DAC and you have really got something. Let me know what you decide. Thx.
Thanks for coming directly to the point and no unnecessary blah blah, just your opinion. As you suggested I would like to share a playlist here with you , but RUclips does not allow to post links, so it’s not possible, sorry.
Wow Ed, so many choices. I remember hearing Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon for the first time in 1975 on 8 track and thinking, wow, this is so cool. Now I can listen on my MFSL 24 carat gold CD through my Schiit DAC and thinking it's the best I've ever heard and now you're giving me even better alternatives. I don't know what to do. LOL
Mike, That's so funny, I have the same MFSL gold disc. I also have it on DSD and 5 copies on vinyl and maybe a cassette somewhere. I just got the 50th anniversary edition on vinyl and was listening to this weekend. Choices and temptation is what this channel is all about. ;-)
@@OldGuyHifi Ed, quickly, your thoughts on the 50th anniversary edition? there's been lots of debate... Still like my old French copy from 80, first ever record I ever owned (a xmas present from my uncle) and even though it went through all those kids and teenage years it still sounds pretty good. I do have the 2003 SACD, the 20th anniversary CD and 2016 remaster. I heard the 30th anniversary vinyl is the one to get (because all analogue) but it's getting out of reach price wise
Honestly I haven't had a chance to listen to it. Some of the gear I have in for review doesn't have a phono pre and I loaned mine to my son-in-law. I do have an OG US release album from spring of 73 and that sounds amazing. I think I prefer the SACD and MFSL version over all. Also, they are more convenient. Which do you prefer?
Here's what a owner had to say about the Bluesound Node Icon with the ESS dac chip: "The balanced outputs on the Node Icon uses two stereo dacs, one for each channel, one side for each leg, for a fully differential circuit from the DAC chips to the XLR outputs. The RCA does not have this advantage. The listed specs show SNR of (XLR: -129dB, RCA: -121dB) so that's an extra 8dB of dynamic range on the balanced outputs. I won't even bother trying the unbalanced outputs on this, since my preamplifier has balanced inputs. Binky: This is a completely reworked analogue stage with better power supplies and a differential circuit, with better specs as per above (if you can make use of the balanced output). I expect even the RCA will benefit from the updated DAC chipset as well as the better power supply. Also, Bluesound is using their newly acquired technology from MQA: "DAC performance is further enhanced by MQA Labs’ revolutionary technology, QRONO d2a, which corrects any timing errors in the digital-to-analogue conversion process and realigns the timing response to the original recording." - from the Icon brochure "Qrono d2a, meanwhile, aims to rectify problems with digital audio timing that often occur when filters are used to convert digital sound between digital and analogue formats, making audio more natural and lifelike while reducing listener fatigue. MQA claims that d2a reduces issues such as 'time ringing' (where listeners hear echoes before and/or after a note is played), resulting in a crisper, more authentic sound without lagging or echoes. Qrono d2a also employs a more 'bespoke' approach to signal filters. While most DAC chips use the same filters for inputs at different sample rates, an approach which MQA describes as "unnecessarily aggressive", Qrono filters are optimised for the musical spectrum of each input sample rate, preserving the original musicality as a result." www.whathifi.com/news/mqas-late ... your-music "How big a difference?" I can't answer that. I will say this: To my ears, the Icon sounds very analogue and natural, but some may read that that the wrong way, as dull and bloated, which it is not. I think the Icon is doing an excellent job of creating a believable "analogue" signal from the digital bits. This doesn't necessarily "knock you socks off" but just sounds fundamentally right, and "non-digital". More like a R2R analogue tape, which is what I said of the A8 when I had it. With the Icon, there is a noticeable absence of digital glare, the music flows with liquid grace, but it's not something that hits you in the face. You hear it with a bit of time on it, and comparing back and forth. So far, I just notice that the sound holds together in a coherent whole in a way that I don't hear often with other DACs I have had. It may not be the last word in separation, bass grunt, treble extension, but so often these "qualities" become "detractors" to music listening. But as John Darko always says, these kind of differences are not "blows it out of the water" or "night and day"... don't forget to enjoy the music!"
That would be a great combo. I like the Geshelli units so much I bought one and it came on Friday. I got a J2S AKM4499 with Sparkos op amps. It sounds wonderful. I am glad you like your set up. Thanks for watching.
Pancakes at Omega on Ogden in Downers Grove...yum! What about a Wiim mini or "pro" with the Fiio R2R? Can't wait for your review of the super secret DAC. Thanks again for your reviews and analysis. I truly apricate your pure love of music, no matter the genre. Your years of industry experience with selling and buying all tiers, along with your willingness to share and listen to others is rare and wonderful.
YES SIR! I love Omega. We used to go to the one on Ogden in DG. Other than the Mini, all the WiiM units use the same streaming module. The issues none of the WiiMs contain a clock for the digital stream so the DAC has to compensate for that. I think that is where the sonic degradation is. Are you still local? Thanks so much for watching nd bring back a fun memory.
Thanks for the video. I have had experience with 3 of the 4. The Wiim’s versatility including an equalizer is outstanding for the price. I use in a family system not dedicated for critical listening. I had the CXN 100 and I returned it. The StreamMagic app was not a good match with my Qobuz platform. Others have had the same issue. The Eversolo’s were great, I auditioned both the DMP 6 snd 8, but they wouldn’t stay connected to by wireless, which was not a problem for any of the others. A lot of online complaints about the issue. The company is aware but doesn’t have a fix. I Use a Bluesound Node N130 as my base unit. Will be auditioning the Topping D90 III as a DAC. If needed I have the Bifrost 2/64 and Denafrips Ares 15 next up. Trying to stay in the 1-2 K range. It’s a great hobby. Rock on.
Bobby, Thanks for returning to the channel. I have had no issues with Qobuz and Stream Magic. Curious. I will check it out. Good luck with the DAC search. I do have a Pontus in for review as well as the Audiolab M-DAC. I have already shot the review video and am just waiting to release it in a week or so. Shhh! Don't tell anyone yet but, it is the best ESS Sabre chip based DAC I have ever heard by a long shot. Wow. Good luck on your DAC journey. Keep me posted. Thanks.
Another great review Ed! One thing to note for your viewers is the Eversolo is the only one of those that has a native Apple Music app that streams lossless and hi-res lossless music. AirPlay is OK, but it’s not the same quality for Apple Music. The Eversolo DMP-A6 paired with the Schiit Bifrost 2/64 is incredible and better sounding than the Eversolo DMP-A8 IMO for less money.
David, Thanks so much. I must admit that Apple stuff never enters my mind as I am not a Apple user. I am sorry for that. I did hook the DMP-A6 up to my Bifrost and I heard some short comings in the streamer's sound. I didn't mention it because my Bifrost is not a standard unit that can be purchased. That's why I used the Orchard Audio piece for the evals. Thanks again and I appreciate the info about Apple Music vs Airplay.
@@OldGuyHifi No worries Ed. I knew you weren’t an Apple Music user, so I just wanted to point out that difference to your audience. I’ve read rumors that the next version of AirPlay will be able to stream hi-res lossless, which would solve the issue. Keep the great reviews coming. I’m really enjoying your style and content. 😊
Yes. The Cambridge is far better sounding. That's why I said it was the best sounding streamer for under $1k. And yes, IMHO it is better sounding than the WiiM Ultra, Eversolo and Bluesound.
@OldGuyHifi do you have any experience with the Bluesound Nano? I am thinking about running it though the Topping E70 Velvet and then to a Topping PA7+.
GM ☕️ from Toronto. I run a Wiim Pro optically to a Denafrips Ares DAC ..then onto (via balanced) to my Bryston headphone amplifier..and it’s damn nice . Now ,I’m interested in seeing what the Cambridge has to offer as a better quality as a stand alone streamer (sans DAC) … Great video. Thanks 👍
I have talked to them about that they said they are looking at. Fingers crossed. I love Toronto. My family traces it roots to Hamilton & St. Catharines. Thanks for stopping by again.
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Hi Ed. Another good video! It’s clear you have no love for the Eversolo, it’s ok, I still love mine. Not having all the equipment you have access to run comparisons, I decided to test my Eversolo DMP-A6 vs my Marantz SR8015 using HEOS, and the truth is I had a tough time finding a better sounding one. Marantz used the AKM4458 DAC chip but I read in Audio Science Review that in 2021 they replaced it with a TI DAC, most likely the PCM1502A DAC found in Denon AVRs. The Eversolo has the ESS ES9038Q2M DAC chips which you don’t like. In my listening, I found they both sounded very similar. Maybe my 71 years old ears have something to do with it. I have to admit, as a fan of the A6 menu, I was surprised to find using the HEOS platform to listen to Tidal fairly easy. Had I not have the A6 already, I think the Marantz on its own would have worked for me. Again, thanks for the time you take to share your experiences. Always happy to watch your videos.
It's not that I have no love for it as a product. Holy cow that thing is a bank vault and is one of the nicest pieces of Hifi gear I have ever seen. It is very well engineered and the software is amazing. I just can't warm up to the sound and I am a bit of a minimalist so interfaces like the Eversolo's are too much for me. It is a fantastic unit, just not for me. I do so much appreciate your support of the channel. You are one of my OGs. Thank you.
Good video Ed. Ive had wiim streamers and now have the wiim ultra. IMO going from SPIDF to USB makes a difference. Ive always used spidf with pro and pro plus because thats all it has. With ultra i went with usb output and the sound definitely got better…noticeably. Sharper and sound stage got bigger. With usb connection youre using clock of dac and with spidf youre using clock of streamer. This is probably why it sounds better. Just my two cents
I agree, I did a video on DAC chips and discussed how USB is our best option as it is asynchronous. If you watch that video let me know your thoughts. Thx.
I own several streamers, and amplifiers with the ESS Sabre dac. (ES9038Q2M) Arcam CDS50, Topping X3 Pro+, Burson Audio X3 Conductor Performance, (ES9028Q2M) Bluesound Node X, (ES9033Q) Cambridge Audio MXN10. I with Arcam CDS50, Topping X3 Pro +, and Cambridge Audio MXN10, I can barely make out any difference in sound. Certainly nothing between the Topping and the Cambridge Audio. With the Bluesound Node X, I do get a difference, but I can't say I was a fan of the sound. The one that did unsurprisingly sound the be would be the Burson Audio. The X3 Conductor Performance just has a little more life, but I think that is really down to how the chip is integrated into the Burson Audio. I also find that I do end up playing around with the filter in the Burson Audio, and this can make a big diffence to how long I can listen. Particularly with the ZMF Auteurs with the Auteur pads which are very neutral. I may well try them with the Eikon Pads which are more darker sounding.
Nicely done! I wonder if the glare you hear on the A6 is a function of it's output stage, rather than the dac chip itself. I had the Eversolo A6 Master Edition for a while and while it was certainly extended up top, I did not perceive a glare in the upper mid range, at least in my system. One way to have included the Orchard audio in assessing its streaming capabilities would have been to use it as an external dac for all the streamers. Of course, it would have an unfair advantage by being internally hitched to its own dac via i2s, but might still have been an interesting exercise.
I did use it as the test DAC. And I did not try to compare the internal DAC with the others. I think the glare comes from the DSP that is applied during the decoding process. I am 100% sure of that. I do hear that glare on all ESS DAC. Thanks for the view and comment.
I currently have the A6 and was thinking about upgrading to the linear power supply but now you have me thinking maybe going with the Cambridge. Can you tell me what I might hear in sound quality differences between the two? I am also running this as a streamer only and not using the DAC internally on the A6.
Cambridge developed their own streaming engine and have been doing it for about a dozen years. The engine and OS are all based on Linux rather than Android. So they van still support all those legacy units. There have been four iterations of the Stream Magic engines. The MXN10 is Ver. 3 and the CXN100 and my EVO150 are on Ver. 4. I am not sure I hear a big difference between them. I thought the Eversolo, as a streamer, sounded thin and a bit lifeless. That may be a bit strong maybe thin & flat is a better description. I did use my EVO150 as the amp and DAC to compare the Eversolo to Ver. 4 and then I used my Bifrost as the DAC fed by the Eversolo and also the MNX10 (Ver. 3) then the 150 as the amp. Again it seemed a bit thin and flat to my ear. The Stream Magic engine has an excellent clocking circuit and is smooth, detailed and full sounding. I have used the MXN10 to drive almost all the gear I review from affordable to vintage to high end and it always delivers the detail and sound signature I lean towards. I hope this helps. BTW, what DAC are you using? Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi Using the Gustard R26 but looking to find a warmer DAC. I like the description you gave of the Cambridge and that sounds like it might be right up my alley as I feel the A6 has room for improvement.
@@Temmple Keep me posted on what you decide. BTW, if you are looking for a warmer DAC I recommend the Geshelli J2S AK4499 with Burson V7 Natural op-amps. Very smooth.
I love eversolo I have the dmp-a6 master edition for a while now and it is wicked! I use it both ways as digital transport (have AKM dac I love) also analog sometimes to hear the difference. Implementation is different then the standard a6 as well as the clock. Like your comprehensive thoughts 👍🍻
So many have celebrated the eversolo products. Perhaps it’s warranted. Some have said what you described as well. Thanks for sharing your experiences with these products.
AKM and ESS seem to be the most common DAC options. Are there others you have come across or would recommend? Any specific chip revisions you prefer? Or any you advise to avoid? Are newer chips generally better? Thank you.
For Delta-Sigma based DACs there a lots of choices. I do like some of the Wolfson DACs, I also like some of the Burr Brown chips but they need to be implemented well. I am not a big fan of the cheapie TI DACs or the Cirrus Logic stuff. I am a big fan of R2R Mulit-Bit DACs like the Schiit products and I do like the resistor ladder DACs like Denafrips or Gustard. I prefer a smooth detailed sound. Right now I am smitten with the newer AKM4499EXEQ+AK4191EQ Hybrid chip set. I just bought a Geshelli J2S with that set up. Very, very good. Thank you for viewing and asking a good question.
So, I have a very good dac in the chord qutest, which I love, but do not yet stream music. Part of the problem is that I live in the rural area with no wi fi connection (and satellite is expensive). If and when they ever do install lines on my road what streamer (without a dac) would you suggest? As you stated, just streamers do have differences. What are the differences? (Sound quality, processing, and/or the streaming cababilities?)
Dan, Tough question because of the pace of technology. Right now, because of my experience with the unit, I wuld go with the Cambridge MXN10. I know it has a DAC and it is ok but, I use it as a digital transport to feed other DACs, etc. that I have in for review. The Stream Magic software is great and it sounds very, very good. At $500 it isn't cheap but I can't think of a stand alone streamer that comes close for even up to $1000. The Stream Magic engine has been in use for over a dozen years and Cambridge built their own module and the core OS is Linux so no worries about an Android update that suddenly abandons your device. They still update and support those original devices from back in the day. I like that very much. Great question and I hope I was able to give you a decent, if not verbose, answer. Thanks so much.
Hi not so old hifi guy, I am confused as to how multiple DACs interact with each other. So, for example, my set up has a WiiM Pro Plus streaming via an optical cable to an Emotiva TA-1. Both have DACs. Which DAC am I hearing? If I wanted to add a “better” DAC, would it have to use RCAs to bypass the Emotiva DAC? Maybe this is all perfectly simple, but not to this not so old guy.
Good question, Your WiiM pro is only sending a data signal via optical so, it's internal DAC is not being used. The TA-1's internal DAC is doing all the heavy lifting. Yes, if you wanted to use a "better" DAC you would take the optical from the WiiM into the new DAC and RCA in to the TA-1. I hope that helps. Thanks for tuning in.
Any idea which DAC chip is thought of as better? I know this can be highly subjective when comparing things of similar quality, but sometimes we are comparing a Pyle to a McIntosh.
@@richgrao That is very subjective. My personal preference for chip based DACs is the AKM4499EXEQ+AK4191 Switched resistor/Multibit/Delta-Sigma hybrid found in the Geshelli and the Orchard Audio unit. It combines all the good parts of R2R/MuIti-bit, i.e., smooth detailed sound with the dynamic range and great signal to noise ratio of Delta-Sigma. I and am infatuated with this new development in DACs. I have several DACs with that set up here or on its way here so I can do a deeper dive. Great question.
I’ve been interested in the Eversolo A6 for some time, but in Canada where I am, it’s $1300. I have the WiiM Mini right streaming into an older Rotel amp and has been good so far. I’m curious to know how the new WiiM Ultra is going to fair against the Eversolo units?
Great question. I don't know either. I do know the streaming module in the WiiM, Pro, Pro+, Amp and Ultra are all the same and as I understand it they lack timing clocks which force the timing correction duties to their internal DACs. I think that jitter and timing issues are their short coming. The software is very good. Thanks for the view and question.
Hello...I don't get how the Cambridge Streamer is so good but it has the ESS Chip that you say has too much energy. How's the chip affecting the streaming? I thought is was a DAC issue and unrelated. Appreciate your thoughts and content!
The streamer does not interact with the DAC unless you listen thru the analog output. If you go out the SPDIF toslink or coax it never goes the DAC. Does that make sense?
Ed (and others) would something like the Cambridge be a noticeable sonic upgrade over my current gen MacBook Pro streaming primarily Tidal? My DAC is a Schiit Gungnir.
Yes. Defiantly. The digital stream coming out of any computer is seriously compromised. Noisy, jittery, resampled and just plain crappy. If you think about it a computer is not designed as an audio product. It has audio because it kind of has to but, they don't bother trying to make any good because of cost, etc. Honestly any streamer is better that what any laptop/desktop computer offers. Obviously my choice is the Cambridge unit. I love it's sound and the Stream Magic software which, BTW runs on iOS very well. :et me know what you decide to do. Thanks so much for watching.
Hey, Ed! Great review, as always. Clear, consise, and always focused on the sound, not features. Where would you place the Bluesound Nano in this lineup? I'm looking to upgrade the digital side of my system and I think the Geshelli Labs JNOG3 is a winner for the DAC, but I'm not sure about the streaming side. I like the user interface of the BS Nano just not totally sold on the sound or price. Thoughts?
I will be honest with you. I am not a fan of Bluesound streamers. While I am not a big fan of WiiM, I think on budget a WiiM pro is better with an external DAC. My first choice is the Cambridge MXN10. I have used that in almost every review I have done. It has a great software interface. An excellent streaming engine developed in house by Cambridge and it sounds, to me, better than any other streamer I have tried even up to $1500 +. I know at $499 it is not cheap but, and I believe this, it will probably be the last streamer you would need. Cambridge still supports the streaming product they sold a dozen years ago. I use mine with my Geshelli J2S AKM4499 and love the combo. Let me know your thoughts. Thank you.
ESS digital glare? I have an AUNE X VIII and an SMSL 9 PRO, both with ESS, the 3938 and ESS 3939 PRO chips and I perceive no obvious digital glare. The Geshelli AKM dac I tried and soon sold sounded forward in the midrange and had a flattish sound stage. I prefer the ESS dacs at under $1000.
Scott, It is up to each of us to find the sound we like. I was just sharing my opinions. I am glad you have a set up that brings you joy. That ultimately is all the matters. Thanks for view and great comment.
@@Hawkeye242 I used the stock TIs, the Sparkos 3602s and 2509s as well as a Burson V7 Vivid. Yes they all sounded different. That said there really was no winner other than 2509s on balanced.
@Hawkeye242 the standard Geshelli op-amp of that time. I don't believe there was an option at that time. I bought a spakos op-amp for the AUNE X8, the sound was too aggressive for my taste. I went back to the standard op-amp and have enjoyed it since.
@@scottbennett3119 I have a Burson v7 vivid coming. So far, I actually like the stock op amp better than the sparkos 2590 in RCA. I’m hoping v7 is an upgrade to my ears but if not, the j3 with stock op amp was a nice upgrade over anything else I’ve heard up to this point. I know there is a lot of sparkos love, but to my ears on my gear, the sound is too diffuse and less focused. It sounds amazing on certain vocal heavy tracks that don’t have a lot going on in the treble region, but anything really heavy like metal or alternative rock it’s just off for me.
I am currently researching Streamer-Dacs and am considering the following options. I would love to get your input as I (as an old guy also) fully respect your opinion. 1. Orchard Audio PecanPi + Streamer Premium 2. Cambridge MXN10 streamer with Black Ice Audio Glass FX Tube DAC 3. Cambridge MX10 streamer with Geshelli Labs J3 DAC with AKM Velvet Sound DAC chip and possible Op Amp upgrades. Thanks for all the great reviews and I really enjoy your videos and personality.
It just so happens that I can put together all of those combinations except the J3 and the Black Ice which they are sending me soon. I did buy a J2S and have Sparkos 3206 and 2509 opamps to roll. To me the differences between the J3 and the J2S are so minor as to not be a concern for reviewing. They are near as makes no difference the same sonicaly. Now if you wanted to run all 2509s, balanced and single ended then get the J3 as it has a more robust power supply to feed the bigger opamps. I am getting the Pecan Pi back on Monday and I already have the rest. It may take me a week or two to do a proper review and depending on fast they send me the Black Ice unit. They told me they were building one for me so... watch this space. Honestly my choice would always be the MXN10 as source. Orchard Audio does make a DAC only version without the Volumio streamer but the AK4499EXEQ chip set for about $700. All there DACs are compelling. I can't wait to get it all together. Thanks for the question. I will try and get you the answer I can.
@@OldGuyHifiI know that the Geshelli J3 was designed to fit the 3 larger AKM 2590 op amps (2 for balanced & one for single ended) which won’t fit on the J2S board. I will be pairing with a single ended amp (Black Ice F11 Tube Amp) and don’t really care about the multiple input selection feature on the J3 either. Would the larger single 2590 fit on the single ended output side of the J2? If so, a J2S with the dual stock op amps on the balanced side with the single 2590 upgrade on the single ended output seems like it would make the most sense for me. It would be great if you can verify if the 2590 can fit with this configuration. Thanks Ed.
@@jameskeller5396 Yes. I run my J2S with the 2590 on single ended and the stock TI OPA1656s on the balanced and it sounds very good. BTW I have an F22 on its way to me in a week or two as well as either a Glass FX or a Fusion to play with. I will test the J2S with the F22 for you and report back. Sound good?
Perfect timing Ed! Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I’m planning to go with the Black Ice F11 amp, but would love the F22. Also your thoughts on the FX Glass Tube Dac as I would think as a fan of multi-bit and ladder dacs, you might like the flavor of the tubes on the digital signal.
I am really looking forward to being able to play with all that fun stuff. I just gate an Advance Paris today. So look out for that in a couple of weeks. Thx.
You can use different things like ropiee among others with the pecan pi+ too. Just remember too for $800 you can get the pecan pi+ in the basic black case and no screen. Same dac/streamer/sound for half the price.
I have not done a review but, I have lots of experience the Node. I have only briefly heard the Node X. The standard Node uses a Texas Instruments PCM5242 DAC which I think is kind of dull and thin sounding. the unit sounded better connected to any outboard DAC. Honestly I am not very interested in that product. just my personal view. Thanks for the question.
Hi thank you for the reply what if I wanted to up date the AMP with streaming without breaking the bank could you recommend something please thanks again
The budget choice would be a WiiM Pro with an SMSL SU1 outboard DAC (approx.$250.) Very good performance for little money. If you want to go up a bit in price but a big jump in performance, then I highly recommend the Cambridge MxN10/AXN10 same insides just a different form factor. I know they are $500 but if you look on eBay Cambridge has an open box/"B" stock store and I have heard from viewers they saved a ton of money. Let me know what you decide. Thanks so much.
I have a Pontus II here right now and have fed it with the MXN10 via Toslink and it is wonderful. I am going to hook the DMP-A6 up to it compare. I am curious to hear it as you do. Thanks so much for the view.
@@BrianS-xg5uqBrian, I did not have the A6 here when I was reviewing the Pontus. The streamer in the A6 is what it is. No external DAC can change that. It has its own sound and had the same sonic character regardless of the DAC. Great question. Thanks.
O BTW in the vein of my last line Cambridge came out with a second version of the CXN100 (now V2) last year which people said was better but people were pissed it did not have HDMI whic h Cambridge said :"you don't need it just use optical" but then a few months latter put it on the EXN100 which added $600-700 to cost.Then it was included.Given how highly rated the CXN was if I sold my version 1 and upgraded to the V.2 didn't get the HDMI then saw it on the EX well.........
It is not a DAC. A DAC is a device that you can plug a digital source into. The MXN10 cannot be used that way. It does have a built-in DAC but only for its internal decoding.
@@OldGuyHifi OK, thank you! BTW, I am an "old guy" too :)), with 40+ year old equipment, trying to figure out how to modernize (mostly to get into streaming, but my preamp is out for diagnosis, so maybe more; your Cambridge AXR100 and MXN10 are on my list if the preamp is toast. It's a Hafler DH-101 I made from a kit - love it, but may need to let go.) Anyway, I have been checking out your videos and subscribed today. Thanks again for your prompt response.
Like a DAC a streamer needs to be able to reduce the incoming signal's jitter and timing issues. Inexpensive streamers lack a clocking system to do that and IMHO don't sound as good as a well designed stream module. I hear a big difference between the WiiM & Eversolo units and the Cambridge MXN10. I have had many other viewers say the same thing. It can also be power supplies which can introduce noise into the signal. I hope I am explaining ok. Thanks for a great question.
The AXN10 (full component width MXN10 is on sale for 399, here in Europe). Maybe I should pick one up. If the digital output is any good. Volumio Primo and Rivo also belong in this equation.
I can vouch for the AXN/MXN 10. It is a very good unit. The internal DAC is quite good and you have the option of adding an outboard DAC in the future. As I am typing this I am listening to Bryan Ferry thru the MXN10 feeding a Galion TSA75 amp. It sounds wonderful. That price looks very good. Let me know what you decide. Cheers.
Currently running a WiiM Pro into the internal DAC of my Technics SU-G700 and have had excellent sounding results, but last weekend I plugged the new FiiO K11 RTR into my main system and the WiiM going into the FiiO and to my ears made the streaming sound say a bit more "analog" where the presentation is smoothed out and warmer, thinking the FiiO is staying put for now and there might be a Denafrips in my future. I previously had a Cambridge CXN and it was a very nice streamer but thought the Fiio Pro was less glitchy with its software and processed the stream much smoother, never gave much thought if the SQ of the stream would actually improve utilizing the same DAC. I have the new Wiim Ultra being delivered tomorrow, wasnt expecting any sonic gains just wanted the visual screen of the Ultra but will keep my ears open for sure.
You should try a Bryson streamer--expensive retail but can be found quite reasonable on the used market. I have a BDP3 and I compared it directly with Roon when I had it before the most hypocritical company on the planet bought them out. Anyway I digress...but the Bryson MPD app sounded better than Roon direct to my Oppo 205 The B control system is like something out of the 90s--but it does have it's advantages in that it's web-based... and the pure audio out of it sounds fantastic. They're working on a more updated app but it's taken quite some time to get it right. I'm now debating selling it and getting the "combo" version which also uses a raspberry pi streamer combined with their great sounding BDA3 AKM-based DAC.
Maybe. I already have the same DAC and Stream Magic engine in my EVO150. It sounds amazing. I use my 150 as a pre-amp as well so I get that sound through a lot of the amps I test. I just got the CXA81 MkII in so look out for that review soon. Thx.
Sorry. I misunderstood. Most streaming amp start at around $650 for the basic Bluesound Powernode Edge and can get to several thousands of dollars like my EVO150 or NAD Master series or Nain Unity Atom. What is your budget target. That will give me a better idea. Thx.
Streamer DAC !!! Volumio,Moode,Daphile orher great open source of options . If you are not afraid or have a friend that could help technology has become plug and play you don't have to build anything. Leo does a Great Job the software for that Orchard DAC is used by the top player in HIFI and is open source !!! I thing I should do some step by step videos on how-to build one for under $500 that can play music with a deep dark background and life like presentation with a wide Soundstage and dark background where the instrument POP!! like a in the room Performance.
I don't know for sure but, it shares the same streaming module. The issue with WiiM product is they don't have any timing clocks. I think it muddies the sound. Thank you for the view.
@@OldGuyHifiThe WiiM ultra allows for USB out so that it bypasses the WiiM clock and uses the clock of the external DAC. I would venture to guess that with USB out, it would be fully transparent with any distortion to the signal inaudible. We’ll see when more reviewers test it in the coming months.
@@Hawkeye242 That's a great point. Since I only had the Pro I didn't have a way to do asynchronous. I am working on getting an Ultra to review. Watch this space. Thanks.
You are missing something in the $300 realm. Surprised you didn't add the Wiim Ultra to that lineup. Also, on the upper end, I would have been curious to see a Denafripps unit in the lineup. Nice comparison, but a bit shocked to hear about how the Eversolo ranks. I always heard good things about them.
@@OldGuyHifi It was a good video. Have you tried a Denafrips unit? If so, what is your opinion on them. Specifically, I am interested in the Enyo, which is the cheapest unit Denafrips makes.
My understanding is that the Wiim Pro+ significantly upgraded the DAC. While it might not beat the best outboard DACs, it seems to hold its own against many of the more affordable DACs.
I am sure the DAC is ok. It is the streaming engine that is the weak point. Very poor oscillator circuit and clock implementation. Lot's of jitter. Not all streamers are the same. On WIFI streams there is tons of noise and timing issues. While it may not but very audible it does increase the overall noise floor which can smear the image and dramatically reduce fine details. For the money the WiiM is fine. I have one for background music when entertaining and it sounds ok. It won't pass muster for critical listening however. Great comment. Thank you.
They do a good job with that for sure. I think most everything would sound good running into the Ares. I have a Pontus here now. Review soon. If you know Zeidman, he switched to the MXN10 and runs it thru a Ladder Schuman and loves more than the WiiM pro he had.
I ended up replacing A6 Standard with Volumio Motivo both strictly as a streamer (roon). Prefer the Motivo , sounds better to me than the A6. Is it 900$ better? i don't think so. But I like that it has an i2s output that I use with my pontus dac.
The newer amps I choose don't come from mainstream companies like Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo etc. I am a fan of those firms who focus on 2 channel. Arcam, Attol, Vincent, Rogue, Cambridge, Orchard Audio, etc. These modern amps are far more dynamic and musical than popular vintage gear. I like vintage for nostalgic reasons but because in the day everybody chased watts and THD specs, the amps sound flat and lifeless to my ear. If you enjoy that sounds more power to you. It's just not my jam. Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi Im still learning and exploring, I know you have a background in the vintage gear, and yet you have the modern. Thanks for the input. I do like vintage,.but also have Emotiva mono blocks mostly I like combining eras.
@@johnreis8520 Whatever makes you happy. Vintage audio is like a classic car. Very nostalgic and pretty but, you wouldn't want to drive one everyday. Make sense?
You've piqued my interest in the Cambridge MXN-10 - it has an internal power supply, apparently. Can you at some point compare it to a Bluesound Node xx? I have replaced the internal switch mode power supply with an external linear power supply, and that made a YUGE improvement in the sound quality. Like my preference for standalone DACs, I think standalone streamers make the most sense, because you are not paying for things you will never use. So I have been looking for a better streamer - the Volumio Rivo is on my list - and now maybe the Cambridge MXN-10. I like one particular feature in the Bluesound OS - I can sign into my Radio Paradise account, and this lets me listen to My Favorites on RP. (Though this feature just was broken a few days ago - I have to hope that they will correct this issue, soon?) At some point, I might go Roon or the software you use (remind me of the name), but so far I have been streaming "unassisted".
Neil, I just emailed Cambridge tech support Mgr, to ask him if the internal power supply is linear. Because of the time difference between me and London I may not know for a day or so. The MXN10 does not support Radio Paradise. Sorry. The Bluesound Node X and regular Bluesound use the same streaming module ( they all do) and I have compared the two. I think the Node X has an ESS DAC vs the TI DAC in the regular Node. I won't do a review of that because I only had the Node for a couple of days and didn't get a chance to film anything. I feed both into my Bifrost over SPDIF and could switch back and forth quickly. To my ear the Cambridge sounded more open and detailed without any brightness. The Node sounded a bit thin and the sound stage was not as well defined. I use the MXN10 as a digital transport for just about every review with many DAC combos. I have always found it to be very accurate and reveling. I use Audirvana and often go UPNP to the MXN10 and then to a DAC for those setups where I don't want to run a long cable. My suspicion is Lenbrook developed Bluesound to hit a price point. I don't know if they have made many updates over time. Cambridge developed the Stream Magic platform about 12 years ago and because it is based on Linux they can still support all those old devices. Zeidman got one to replace his WiiM Pro+ feeding his Ladder-Schuman and told me it was a big upgrade. I think he said he was hearing things, in songs he has been listening to for decades, that he didn't know was there. If you want to dip your toe, Cambridge has a great Bay store where they sell open box and "B" stock units cheap. That's how Steve got his. If you want to try Audirvana free for 30 days go here: audirvana.com/try/ Keep me posted on want you decide. Thank you my friend.
Neil, I heard back from Cambridge about the internal power supply: "MXN10 power supply is switch mode, but then it has a few low noise linear regulators for some sub-sections, including the DAC." Let me know if you need any additional info. Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi - right, the proof is in the listening, and it seems they have a good unit. Adding the LPS to the Node made a yuge improvement - as much as it helps a DAC.
Using the WiiM pro as a streamer only I replaced the standard power supply with an Ipower2 which improved the clarity. Replaced that with a linear power supply and could not believe the improved sound detail!
Very good video but there's one thing I don't understand, I checked out these prices and they're expensive for these things and I'm still not 100% sure what they do I guess you can just stream with them, but if your receiver or your amp has Bluetooth why don't you just dream off Bluetooth from your phone or your tablet to your amp then you can listen to music through RUclips music or RUclips for Spotify would not be cheaper than buying one of these? Thanks
All of these devices stream high resolution audio files. Bluetooth is not a high resolution format. It is a very compromised audio delivery system. If you are happy with Bluetooth then you are good to go. I use a streamer because at it's minimum resolution or will deliver at least CD quality audio at 16 bits-44.1kHz. Good question. Thx.
Me personally? I use Tidal, Qobuz and we have Spotify because my wife likes it. I don't do Amazon. Volumio is not a streaming service. Did that answer your question? Let me know. Thx.
Subscription music ? Remember when there was such a thing as radio! It was free ! Good tuner antenna? Yeah I know. Then we got huge record collections , huge CD collections ! Now it’s the dac a week club ? And subscription music ? No more you owning your music? You need to subscribe? You need another piece of gear? I like putting my CDs on hard drive or tape !my records also but it’s your music . you can do what you want with it ! So now instead of phono cartridges and tape it’s dacs and streamers? I have a ps audio dac and a Mac mini I’m not interested in a dac that cost more than a good cartridge ! Maybe R2R thing it could be useful? And only $150. If I can’t use the media I already own I’m not interested. CDs and albums are $1.00 or 50 cents out here NYC So storage and playback are still important to me,not subscription music and dubious equipment.
Ernest, I get where you are coming from to some extent I agree with you. But, the times they are a changing. Also, I wouldn't have anything to talk about. I appreciate your view and comment. Thanks.
The unit I reviewed had an upgraded power supply. I don't think it would have mattered. It is not the power supply that was the issue for me. Thanks for you comment.
@@OldGuyHifi “Think”??? Ooook!! That just lost you some credibility with me…the Master edition has a different chipset and clock set up and blows the A6(S) sonically out of contention here.
@@OldGuyHifi You do know ESS has different DAC chips right!!? Not all chipsets in particular clocking set ups sound the same. Like aluminum dome tweeters all sounding too harsh….not true. The ME is phenomenal!!
@@Csnumber1 Yes and for the last 5 years or so, they all share the same basic Delta-Sigma architecture. I am expressing my opinion. I am certainly not the last word on this. You are. That's all that matters. Thx.
Onestamente, preferisco di gran lunga il Cambridge MXN10 a entrambe le unità. L'Eversolo è costruito molto bene ma non mi piace il software né il suo suono. Il WiiM è realizzato in modo molto economico e dal punto di vista sonoro scadente. Tuttavia, dopotutto è un giudizio soggettivo. Quali DAC usi? Grazie per la visione e il commento.
@@OldGuyHifi utilizo un wadia 121 con fuente externa lineal , también un Dac interno de mi pre amplificador Krell HTS y uno casero fabricado por una persona que conozco que suena muy muy bien
@@paladinonicolas Hai delle attrezzature fantastiche. Per un certo periodo ho avuto un Wadia Digimaster x32 e l'ho adorato. Credo davvero che l'unità WiiM rappresenti un serio collo di bottiglia per le prestazioni del tuo sistema. Penso davvero che l'unità Cambridge, solo come streamer, sia l'unità migliore per meno di $ 1000,00 USD. Presto recensirò l'unità HiFi Rose, quindi tienilo d'occhio. Grazie mille per aver guardato il mio canale. Lo apprezzo.
@@paladinonicolas Grazie. Sono ansioso di ascoltarlo anch'io. La mia recensione potrebbe non essere pubblicata prima del primo dell'anno. Ho un sacco di attrezzatura in coda. Grazie per la visione e il commento.
I would very much like to. I am fascinated with the AKM4499 chip set and have had several DACs that use it. I am trying to get more and do a comparison. Thanks so much for watching.
@@OldGuyHifi I just did this with the OA and the A8. I am returning the OA. The Raspberry Pi is too wonky for us even with using Roon. The A8 is more stable and user friendly. Using Roon is a game changer.
@@marybethheydt8099 O get it. I also had a few issues with it. I was able to overcome them for the review. I would love to try the A8. That AKM chip set sounds great in another one of my stand alone DACs. Thanks for the update. Cheers.
I wish I had better internet to take advantage of the WiiM pro's best attributes. I can't even listen to High res recordings on it. greetings from the middle of nowhere WV.
I use Ropieee on RPi4 board and output the sound through usb to SMSL SU-1. Ropieee supports Airplay 1 which streams lossless from Apple Music on Iphone.
It does. It is pretty good too. I don't mention it often because I use it as a digital transport to feed signal via SPDIF to test other DACs. Did you have a question about it?
Excellent, thanks for this, very interesting. I'm curious about your process, what kind of testtracks are your goto specifically when evaluating the DAC quality, what exactly do you hear in the ESS you don't like? Just received the Wiim Ultra and I love the device. It's now camping on my desktop so the touchscreen is valid. I do intend to move it to the livingroom, I'm so happy with the Wiim devices (also the Pro plus and the Amp). They just work and play daily for everybody in the house! I might try an external DAC, I have a Topping. Thanks and continue the great content! I love this Paolo Nutini song in my test playlist music.ruclips.net/video/BuF1u9MnkjM/видео.html&si=yRwam0ZoayYp-9W5 Regards from Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
Ewout, Sorry for the late response. I re-did the community post playlist to initially include some of my test track playlists on Tidal. Spotify & Qobuz will follow. To give you a reference on what I mean when I talk about ESS Sabre "glare" listen to Bryan Ferry's album Bête Noire. The recording is very bright to begin with, and to me is almost unlistenable on a Sabre based DAC. On a non-ESS DAC it is still very bright but, much more tolerable. Unfortunately that Paolo Nutini track is not available to play here in the US on RUclips. I promise I will find it. Ultimately all that matters is your opinion. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks so much for your support.
I haven't heard the 9039 yet. I know ESS followed AKM and went with a current based design as opposed to a voltage based setup. I bet it will sound good. Thanks for the view.
There are no winners or losers. I had all these units here and thought why not. I hope you find it interesting. I had fun doing it.
I love Apple Music lossless and the Eversolo DMP-A6 natively plays it.
I use an external DAC Denafrips Pontus II 12th-1 and DDC Denafrips Iris 12th via I2S.
My Eversolo also has the upgraded LPS by Beatechnik.
My Eversolo also has builtin music server with the 4TB storage, and I rip my CDs to it.
Through your videos and other reviewers high praise for the MXN10 I purchased one last night to replace WIIM Pro+ that is moving to another listening space, so this video was quite timely... btw for those interested I scored mine for $380 open box on the Cambridge Audio eBay store, extra 15%. off ends today! I'm not trying to promote it, just looking out for fellow Kmart Blue Light Special shoppers like myself. I'm not interested in a screen, I have too many already, just give me the music. Probably a Geshelli J2/3S in the future to put a bow on things, but I'll be looking out for your upcoming DAC videos. Thanks as always for another great video and for all that you do.
That's great. I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoy mine. Thank you for the view and comment.
Yes. That is a great way to get a good deal on one. I have several viewers who have done that. Thank you for stopping by and sharing that info.
That Cambridge Audio eBay store is great. I purchased a CXNv2 to pair with a CXA81 from there. The CXNv2 performed flawlessly and I got it for $250 less than new at the time.
@@mindhead1 Errol, That's how I got my AXR100. A lot of my viewers have don the same thing. Thanks
Hi Ed! Thank you for creating a fun and informative shootout. I’m picking up a WIIM Ultra as my starter streamer for Roon and a decent beginner DAC, with piqued interest in this mystery DAC you have for review. We love ya Ed!!!
I am just waiting on the manufacturer to get it listed on Amazon. It is a fun little piece.
@@OldGuyHifi do you have an SMSL SU-1 to compare it to? That seems to be the hot ticket budget DAC right now. I’m using one on my desktop system and it sounds really good.
@@superspeeder I don't right now. I do have a serious competitor to the SU-1 in house the is the same money but offers swappable op amps. It is seriously good for $80. I am going to get an SU-1 so I can do a shot out with them. Thanks for watching.
@@OldGuyHifi sounds good! 👍
@@superspeeder BTW, I just ordered an SU-2 today based on your request. Watch this space. Thx.
Finally,y a review n of a stand alone DAC.. I hate the thought of paying for a DAC/streamer when I have a top notch DAC. Love your content. This old guy subscribed long ago. Cheers from Canada.
Greetings from the beautiful Emerald Coast of northwest FL!
I LOVE my Eversolo DMP A6 Master Edition in my MB Suite HI-FI! I do not believe a better component exists for the $.
I still use & remain "satisfied" with my Bluesound Node on my Office HI-FI! Lower volumes & ambient noises do not "require" anything else right now.
I have the iFI Zen DAC Signature V2 & Zen Can Amp for one headphone listening station & Marantz SACD30N CD Player/Streamer for another headphone listening station!
I use the iFI Audio GO Blu DAC Amp for on the go!
Focal Headphones...BATHYS & CELESTEES!
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Sounds like you have found your sound. As I said the Eversolo is a very complete solution. Thanks for watching and sharing your set up.
I absolutely agree regarding the Eversolo A6 and the digital glare issue. I listen to a lot of jazz and when horns where in the mix I could not enjoy my favorites...I returned the A6 and now have the A8 different beast altogether. The AKM set up is far superior in the A8 to the A6,night and day to my ear.
I think that the AKM AK4499EXEQ+AK4191EQ switched resistor hybrid Delta-Sigma/Multi bit DAC will be a game changer for chip based DACs. AKM has some other interesting stuff coming in the future that uses that Velvet sound tech. I am smitten with that set up. I now have a Geshelli J2S which has that chip in a single DAC set up and it is amazing. Thanks for watching and sharing you experience.
From what I have seen the Eversolo A8 is an incredible streamer/DAC and couple tiers above the A6 but that is just based on the reviews.
I am using my Technics SU-GX70 Network Audio Digital Amplifier with its built-in streamer.
The black unit which I prefer is selling for $1,500.
It does not have a DAC, the digital amplifier converts the signal.
It is not Class A, B, or D.
Interesting technology.
My friend Bob Fonseca who runs the channel United States of Analog has one of those new Technics units and loves it. Nice set up. Thanks for tuning in.
Thanks for the comparisons Ed! I love my Cambridge 851N so much (as a streamer) that I'm going to add a DDC inside to keep the Stream magic functionality! I'll keep you posted 👍
Thanks Rick. Yes, keep me posted.
Good to hear your perspectives and equipment comparisons. Very interesting. If my PC and NAS ever die, I may have to investigate streamers, and this is very helpful. Thank you as always for your time, efforts, expertise, and for sharing this with us all.
You are very welcome my friend. Thank you.
Many streamers work with a NAS. My future plans are to put my CD collection on a NAS now that streamers make it much easier to set up.
Great point. That is a good feature of these devices. Thanks for mentioning that.
Hey brother, I watched a lot of of your RUclips right on the TV so it’s hard to like anything you’ve got. I should probably just switch over to my phone and like it anyway I just wanted to say you explain things way better than all the other guys the other guys talk about shitand tell you how great it is you tell me why it’s great. I really appreciate you, sir. keep doing what you do I subscribed.
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Hello Ed. I found your channel through Kevin's (of Skylabs Audio) recommendation.
He was spot on. I'm really liking your insight on audio gear.
Two thumbs up.
Thank you so much. Kevin is a great guy. I am going to see him this weekend for his big Cambridge event. Should be fun.
Hi Ed, I do like such comparisons - several products at various pricepoints. Please keep doing this.
I hope to. Thank you for coming back to the channel. I appreciate it.
I just love your everyday references for comparisons. choosing pancakes from hundreds of options... pancakes are awesome! keep up the great videos
Thank you! Will do!
Great breakdown of all these units. Very helpful for narrowing down the choices. :)
Thank you. I am glad you got something from it.
Hey Ed! Glad you uploaded a simple video to share your thoughts on each piece. I hope one day you are able to have an Eversolo A8 to try to go against the Orchard Audio Streamer! Would be really intriguing to know your personal thoughts between two equipment of the same dad chip but with different implementation on each unit.
I would like to. They both use the AKM AK4499EXEQ+AK4191EQ switched resistor hybrid Delta-Sigma/Multi bit DAC which I am smitten with. I have a Gesheeli J2S with that chip set and man I love it. I also have a Geshelli Dayzee coming in for review, which like the DMP-A8 use dual AKM4499s. That would be a great comparison. Thanks for tuning in and commenting.
Nice review!
The MXN10 seems like a nice option as a streamer only. The DAC can be considered a convenience feature.
The Pecan Pi seems like the streamer to beat. I’m looking forward to a comparison review of the Pi and the EverSolo DMP-A8 which both share the AKM 4499 DAC chip.
If the Pecan Pi had an analog preamp it would be a no brainer option for me to pair with my Starkrimson Ultra amp.
Someone should talk Leo into that. He does make a DAC only version with the 4499 chip for about $700. I would love to compare the DMP A8 vs the OA unit vs my Geshelli J2S vs the Geshelli Dayzee which is on its way to me vs the FiiO K9 AKM as they all use the same chip. Fingers crossed. Thx.
I love Apple Music lossless and the Eversolo DMP-A6 natively plays it.
I use an external DAC Denafrips Pontus II 12th-1 and DDC Denafrips Iris 12th via I2S.
My Eversolo also has the upgraded LPS by Beatechnik.
My Eversolo also has builtin music server with the 4TB storage, and I rip my CDs to it.
Wiim is hard to beat. The evoltion of features is unlike any other audio company currently on the market. Add the flexibility of hook up options to get the performance you desire. To sum up , value.
I agree that for the money they are hard to beat. I just go by what my ears tell me. With a good outboard DAC they can sound very good.
What made my choice simple, is not just the fact that each model is very affordable. It's the fact that all, except the Wiim Mini, have the capability to be used with the Logitech Media Server software and thus, you can add Squeezebox devices to your music system. I run LMS on a RPI and use the Squeezebox Duet Controller to control my Wiim.
Great observation. Thanks so much. I never considered that because I am not a Logitech user. I do UPNP from Audirvana which I love. The MXN10 works seamlessly with UPNP. Thanks for pointing that out.
Thank You Ed. I'm very happy with my WIIM Pro, but the Cambridge has caught my attention. Your comparison review has been very helpful. 👍👍👍
Gino, Talk to Zeidman. He switch to the MXN10 from a WiiM Pro and loves it. Says it sounds much better. Cambridge has an open box, B stock store on eBay and he got his for like $350.
Nice comparison between the DACs.
BTW, no playlists, as usual from me, but let me introduce you to 2 French artists/bands:
- Noir Desir 90's indie rock that stopped du to some controversy about the singer and the fact that he went to jail but it's not important let the music talk, I saw them 3 times live each time a unique experience.
I'd recommend starting with their 2nd (Veuillez rendre l'Ame) or 3rd album (Du Ciment sous les Plaines)
Not understanding the language you will lose some of the richness of the lyrics but even then musically it's quite good (and some songs are in English)
They're on Spotify, YT doesn't seem to have a lot of their albums
- Manu Chao: and now for something completely different (sorry couldn't resist), take some indie rock, Spanish and South American music add some North African influences and you get Manu Chao, it's quite unique, lots of the songs are in Spanish but also in French, English, Arabic or a mix of them ...
Start with Clandestino and work up the way till Radio Bemba Sound System which is a live and bursting with energy.
He's on Spotify and YT
There, that's it for me...
Great informative video. After all hype about Wiim, Eversolo etc, great to hear the real unbiased voice! Chapeau bas! I'd love to see second round between Orchard audio and Volumio streamer (yes ther eis standalone device named like this) and Holo audio Red streamer. All based on a rpi motherboard and volumio software. Especially interesting is holo red, since there IS NO REAL GOOD AND HONEST review of this device... my regards Ed!
I might be able to get the Orchard unit back. I will reach to Volumio and Halo and see if they will send me one. Thanks so much. I would take my hat off but, I have a bad case of hat head. Lol.
❤@@OldGuyHifi
I have always believed that the Eversolo became so hyped because of its impressive do-everything approach, looks and the manufacturers ability to market it. There are those people that just want an easy one and done solution. And many manufacturers are filling that need. It’s like the BoomBox era is reinventing itself. Look at the Cambridge Evo One.
Reminds me of when Bose sold people all-in-one over price CD players with speakers attached. Except the streamer products actually give you more functionality over just your phone or computer. Now you can find tons of those old CD players in thrift stores for $20 or less
You make a great point. I am going to see the EVO One on Saturday. Interesting. Thanks for thee comment & view.
The EVO - especially for the price - looks very compelling. If it's as good as they say, it could be very popular.
@@dylanemeraldgrey I will see it Saturday and let everyone know.
I like the way you go through your reviews, wholly subjective but no nonsense. Now I would like to have you explain which aspects you consider when you say one is better than the other; in other words how can a streamer affect sound quality.
Did you have a chance to listen to the Bluesound Node 2024 ? (I just bought one for headphone listening only, so I am curious about your opinion)
PS: New subscriber after a couple of vids
Thanks Nick. Watch the Cheap Audio Man's video from today. That will help explain things. He and I also discussed on a live stream just before the holidays. I am not a fan of Bluesound's sound quality. Personal opinion. Nothing more. Thanks for subscribing.
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Great suggestions. I will give these a listen a bit later. Thank you so much.
I just saved her as an artist and I saved that playlist. I will listen tonight and let you know. I will also add that playlist link to the community page for everyone. I love discovering new music. Thank you so much.
I have a WiiM Pro that feeds a Cambridge Audio DAC Magic 200 via Optical, which in turn is input to a Sony STR-DG820 AVR used for 2.1 channel listening. A pair of Klipsch RPM-600s rounds out the system. Between the WiiM Pro and the AVR is a 10 band vintage Realistic analog equalizer . . . this collection of components I call my Prime system! 😎🔊👍🏽
Sounds like you have found your sound. That's great. Thanks for the view and comment.
I've never heard the Eversolo A6 but reading about it - ASR had to reduce the output voltage -2db to get 4v output on the balanced and again -2db on the rca to get 2v. I wonder if maybe the lacklustre results here were maybe due to output voltage being too high? I'm looking at a way to listen to Qobuz or tidal with my analog amp and have to say I'm losing enthusiasm for the A6 hearing reports about digital glare.
My goto streamer is the Cambridge MXN-10. At $399 it is a bargain. I do believe it is the best sub $1k streamer there is. Add a nice AKM chip DAC and you have really got something. Let me know what you decide. Thx.
Thanks for coming directly to the point and no unnecessary blah blah, just your opinion. As you suggested I would like to share a playlist here with you , but RUclips does not allow to post links, so it’s not possible, sorry.
Email it to me oldguyhifi@gmail.com. Thanks for the kind words and your view.
Wow Ed, so many choices. I remember hearing Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon for the first time in 1975 on 8 track and thinking, wow, this is so cool. Now I can listen on my MFSL 24 carat gold CD through my Schiit DAC and thinking it's the best I've ever heard and now you're giving me even better alternatives. I don't know what to do. LOL
Mike, That's so funny, I have the same MFSL gold disc. I also have it on DSD and 5 copies on vinyl and maybe a cassette somewhere. I just got the 50th anniversary edition on vinyl and was listening to this weekend. Choices and temptation is what this channel is all about. ;-)
@@OldGuyHifi Ed, quickly, your thoughts on the 50th anniversary edition? there's been lots of debate...
Still like my old French copy from 80, first ever record I ever owned (a xmas present from my uncle) and even though it went through all those kids and teenage years it still sounds pretty good.
I do have the 2003 SACD, the 20th anniversary CD and 2016 remaster.
I heard the 30th anniversary vinyl is the one to get (because all analogue) but it's getting out of reach price wise
Honestly I haven't had a chance to listen to it. Some of the gear I have in for review doesn't have a phono pre and I loaned mine to my son-in-law. I do have an OG US release album from spring of 73 and that sounds amazing. I think I prefer the SACD and MFSL version over all. Also, they are more convenient. Which do you prefer?
Great comparisons. I would have loved to see the WiiM Ultra in the group.
The Ultra and the Pro/Pro+ share the same streaming module. I think my conclusions would be the same. Nice stuff for the price.
Here's what a owner had to say about the Bluesound Node Icon with the ESS dac chip:
"The balanced outputs on the Node Icon uses two stereo dacs, one for each channel, one side for each leg, for a fully differential circuit from the DAC chips to the XLR outputs.
The RCA does not have this advantage. The listed specs show SNR of (XLR: -129dB, RCA: -121dB) so that's an extra 8dB of dynamic range on the balanced outputs. I won't even bother trying the unbalanced outputs on this, since my preamplifier has balanced inputs.
Binky: This is a completely reworked analogue stage with better power supplies and a differential circuit, with better specs as per above (if you can make use of the balanced output). I expect even the RCA will benefit from the updated DAC chipset as well as the better power supply. Also, Bluesound is using their newly acquired technology from MQA:
"DAC performance is further enhanced by MQA Labs’ revolutionary technology, QRONO d2a, which corrects any timing errors in the digital-to-analogue conversion process and realigns the timing response to the original recording." - from the Icon brochure
"Qrono d2a, meanwhile, aims to rectify problems with digital audio timing that often occur when filters are used to convert digital sound between digital and analogue formats, making audio more natural and lifelike while reducing listener fatigue. MQA claims that d2a reduces issues such as 'time ringing' (where listeners hear echoes before and/or after a note is played), resulting in a crisper, more authentic sound without lagging or echoes.
Qrono d2a also employs a more 'bespoke' approach to signal filters. While most DAC chips use the same filters for inputs at different sample rates, an approach which MQA describes as "unnecessarily aggressive", Qrono filters are optimised for the musical spectrum of each input sample rate, preserving the original musicality as a result."
www.whathifi.com/news/mqas-late ... your-music
"How big a difference?" I can't answer that. I will say this: To my ears, the Icon sounds very analogue and natural, but some may read that that the wrong way, as dull and bloated, which it is not. I think the Icon is doing an excellent job of creating a believable "analogue" signal from the digital bits. This doesn't necessarily "knock you socks off" but just sounds fundamentally right, and "non-digital". More like a R2R analogue tape, which is what I said of the A8 when I had it. With the Icon, there is a noticeable absence of digital glare, the music flows with liquid grace, but it's not something that hits you in the face. You hear it with a bit of time on it, and comparing back and forth. So far, I just notice that the sound holds together in a coherent whole in a way that I don't hear often with other DACs I have had. It may not be the last word in separation, bass grunt, treble extension, but so often these "qualities" become "detractors" to music listening.
But as John Darko always says, these kind of differences are not "blows it out of the water" or "night and day"... don't forget to enjoy the music!"
Thx.
I have a WIIM Pro going into a Geshelli Labs J2 DAC and am very happy with them.
That would be a great combo. I like the Geshelli units so much I bought one and it came on Friday. I got a J2S AKM4499 with Sparkos op amps. It sounds wonderful. I am glad you like your set up. Thanks for watching.
Pancakes at Omega on Ogden in Downers Grove...yum! What about a Wiim mini or "pro" with the Fiio R2R? Can't wait for your review of the super secret DAC. Thanks again for your reviews and analysis. I truly apricate your pure love of music, no matter the genre. Your years of industry experience with selling and buying all tiers, along with your willingness to share and listen to others is rare and wonderful.
I plan on trying that but with an ultra which has the same streaming engine as the pro.
YES SIR! I love Omega. We used to go to the one on Ogden in DG. Other than the Mini, all the WiiM units use the same streaming module. The issues none of the WiiMs contain a clock for the digital stream so the DAC has to compensate for that. I think that is where the sonic degradation is. Are you still local? Thanks so much for watching nd bring back a fun memory.
Thanks for the video. I have had experience with 3 of the 4. The Wiim’s versatility including an equalizer is outstanding for the price. I use in a family system not dedicated for critical listening. I had the CXN 100 and I returned it. The StreamMagic app was not a good match with my Qobuz platform. Others have had the same issue. The Eversolo’s were great, I auditioned both the DMP 6 snd 8, but they wouldn’t stay connected to by wireless, which was not a problem for any of the others. A lot of online complaints about the issue. The company is aware but doesn’t have a fix. I Use a Bluesound Node N130 as my base unit. Will be auditioning the Topping D90 III as a DAC. If needed I have the Bifrost 2/64 and Denafrips Ares 15 next up. Trying to stay in the 1-2 K range. It’s a great hobby. Rock on.
Bobby, Thanks for returning to the channel. I have had no issues with Qobuz and Stream Magic. Curious. I will check it out. Good luck with the DAC search. I do have a Pontus in for review as well as the Audiolab M-DAC. I have already shot the review video and am just waiting to release it in a week or so. Shhh! Don't tell anyone yet but, it is the best ESS Sabre chip based DAC I have ever heard by a long shot. Wow. Good luck on your DAC journey. Keep me posted. Thanks.
Another great review Ed! One thing to note for your viewers is the Eversolo is the only one of those that has a native Apple Music app that streams lossless and hi-res lossless music. AirPlay is OK, but it’s not the same quality for Apple Music. The Eversolo DMP-A6 paired with the Schiit Bifrost 2/64 is incredible and better sounding than the Eversolo DMP-A8 IMO for less money.
David, Thanks so much. I must admit that Apple stuff never enters my mind as I am not a Apple user. I am sorry for that. I did hook the DMP-A6 up to my Bifrost and I heard some short comings in the streamer's sound. I didn't mention it because my Bifrost is not a standard unit that can be purchased. That's why I used the Orchard Audio piece for the evals. Thanks again and I appreciate the info about Apple Music vs Airplay.
@@OldGuyHifi No worries Ed. I knew you weren’t an Apple Music user, so I just wanted to point out that difference to your audience. I’ve read rumors that the next version of AirPlay will be able to stream hi-res lossless, which would solve the issue. Keep the great reviews coming. I’m really enjoying your style and content. 😊
David, Thanks so much. I do appreciate your help with the Apple stuff.
Have you compared the Cambridge streamer to the WiiM Ultra (connected via USB) to a DAC like the Bifrost?
Yes. The Cambridge is far better sounding. That's why I said it was the best sounding streamer for under $1k. And yes, IMHO it is better sounding than the WiiM Ultra, Eversolo and Bluesound.
@OldGuyHifi do you have any experience with the Bluesound Nano? I am thinking about running it though the Topping E70 Velvet and then to a Topping PA7+.
I don't have any experience with the Nano. Sorry.
GM ☕️ from Toronto.
I run a Wiim Pro optically to a Denafrips Ares DAC ..then onto (via balanced) to my Bryston headphone amplifier..and it’s damn nice .
Now ,I’m interested in seeing what the Cambridge has to offer as a better quality as a stand alone streamer (sans DAC) …
Great video.
Thanks 👍
I have talked to them about that they said they are looking at. Fingers crossed. I love Toronto. My family traces it roots to Hamilton & St. Catharines. Thanks for stopping by again.
Hi....loving your channel!!!! I would like to share some of my music discoveries....Steven Bernstein's Millinial Territory Orchestra.....David Krakaurer.....Get the Blessing.....Splinter Reeds( got stung)....plus about 20 other artists on a Spotify playlist I put together, called " Lots of Woodwinds".......( but it also has quite a bit of Brass too)...thank you, Gary Alessi
Great suggestions. Thank you.
Hi Ed. Another good video! It’s clear you have no love for the Eversolo, it’s ok, I still love mine. Not having all the equipment you have access to run comparisons, I decided to test my Eversolo DMP-A6 vs my Marantz SR8015 using HEOS, and the truth is I had a tough time finding a better sounding one.
Marantz used the AKM4458 DAC chip but I read in Audio Science Review that in 2021 they replaced it with a TI DAC, most likely the PCM1502A DAC found in Denon AVRs. The Eversolo has the ESS ES9038Q2M DAC chips which you don’t like. In my listening, I found they both sounded very similar. Maybe my 71 years old ears have something to do with it.
I have to admit, as a fan of the A6 menu, I was surprised to find using the HEOS platform to listen to Tidal fairly easy. Had I not have the A6 already, I think the Marantz on its own would have worked for me.
Again, thanks for the time you take to share your experiences. Always happy to watch your videos.
It's not that I have no love for it as a product. Holy cow that thing is a bank vault and is one of the nicest pieces of Hifi gear I have ever seen. It is very well engineered and the software is amazing. I just can't warm up to the sound and I am a bit of a minimalist so interfaces like the Eversolo's are too much for me. It is a fantastic unit, just not for me. I do so much appreciate your support of the channel. You are one of my OGs. Thank you.
Good video Ed. Ive had wiim streamers and now have the wiim ultra. IMO going from SPIDF to USB makes a difference. Ive always used spidf with pro and pro plus because thats all it has.
With ultra i went with usb output and the sound definitely got better…noticeably. Sharper and sound stage got bigger. With usb connection youre using clock of dac and with spidf youre using clock of streamer. This is probably why it sounds better. Just my two cents
I agree, I did a video on DAC chips and discussed how USB is our best option as it is asynchronous. If you watch that video let me know your thoughts. Thx.
I have the Eversolo A6 and I agree with your criticisms of this unit.
Are considering a change then? Thanks for tuning and sharing your thoghts.
@@OldGuyHifi No change on the streamer it works fine. I will be buying a standalone DAC in the same price range soon.
@@HulkSmash86 Good luck. Let me know what unit you choose. Thx.
I own several streamers, and amplifiers with the ESS Sabre dac. (ES9038Q2M) Arcam CDS50, Topping X3 Pro+, Burson Audio X3 Conductor Performance, (ES9028Q2M) Bluesound Node X, (ES9033Q) Cambridge Audio MXN10.
I with Arcam CDS50, Topping X3 Pro +, and Cambridge Audio MXN10, I can barely make out any difference in sound. Certainly nothing between the Topping and the Cambridge Audio. With the Bluesound Node X, I do get a difference, but I can't say I was a fan of the sound.
The one that did unsurprisingly sound the be would be the Burson Audio. The X3 Conductor Performance just has a little more life, but I think that is really down to how the chip is integrated into the Burson Audio.
I also find that I do end up playing around with the filter in the Burson Audio, and this can make a big diffence to how long I can listen. Particularly with the ZMF Auteurs with the Auteur pads which are very neutral. I may well try them with the Eikon Pads which are more darker sounding.
Nicely done! I wonder if the glare you hear on the A6 is a function of it's output stage, rather than the dac chip itself. I had the Eversolo A6 Master Edition for a while and while it was certainly extended up top, I did not perceive a glare in the upper mid range, at least in my system. One way to have included the Orchard audio in assessing its streaming capabilities would have been to use it as an external dac for all the streamers. Of course, it would have an unfair advantage by being internally hitched to its own dac via i2s, but might still have been an interesting exercise.
I did use it as the test DAC. And I did not try to compare the internal DAC with the others. I think the glare comes from the DSP that is applied during the decoding process. I am 100% sure of that. I do hear that glare on all ESS DAC. Thanks for the view and comment.
I currently have the A6 and was thinking about upgrading to the linear power supply but now you have me thinking maybe going with the Cambridge. Can you tell me what I might hear in sound quality differences between the two? I am also running this as a streamer only and not using the DAC internally on the A6.
Cambridge developed their own streaming engine and have been doing it for about a dozen years. The engine and OS are all based on Linux rather than Android. So they van still support all those legacy units. There have been four iterations of the Stream Magic engines. The MXN10 is Ver. 3 and the CXN100 and my EVO150 are on Ver. 4. I am not sure I hear a big difference between them. I thought the Eversolo, as a streamer, sounded thin and a bit lifeless. That may be a bit strong maybe thin & flat is a better description. I did use my EVO150 as the amp and DAC to compare the Eversolo to Ver. 4 and then I used my Bifrost as the DAC fed by the Eversolo and also the MNX10 (Ver. 3) then the 150 as the amp. Again it seemed a bit thin and flat to my ear. The Stream Magic engine has an excellent clocking circuit and is smooth, detailed and full sounding. I have used the MXN10 to drive almost all the gear I review from affordable to vintage to high end and it always delivers the detail and sound signature I lean towards. I hope this helps. BTW, what DAC are you using? Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi Using the Gustard R26 but looking to find a warmer DAC. I like the description you gave of the Cambridge and that sounds like it might be right up my alley as I feel the A6 has room for improvement.
@@Temmple Keep me posted on what you decide. BTW, if you are looking for a warmer DAC I recommend the Geshelli J2S AK4499 with Burson V7 Natural op-amps. Very smooth.
I love eversolo I have the dmp-a6 master edition for a while now and it is wicked!
I use it both ways as digital transport (have AKM dac I love) also analog sometimes to hear the difference. Implementation is different then the standard a6 as well as the clock.
Like your comprehensive thoughts 👍🍻
Thank you so much.
So many have celebrated the eversolo products. Perhaps it’s warranted. Some have said what you described as well. Thanks for sharing your experiences with these products.
Just because it is hyped does not mean it is good. Thank you my friend.
@@OldGuyHifi I agree with you
AKM and ESS seem to be the most common DAC options. Are there others you have come across or would recommend? Any specific chip revisions you prefer? Or any you advise to avoid? Are newer chips generally better? Thank you.
For Delta-Sigma based DACs there a lots of choices. I do like some of the Wolfson DACs, I also like some of the Burr Brown chips but they need to be implemented well. I am not a big fan of the cheapie TI DACs or the Cirrus Logic stuff. I am a big fan of R2R Mulit-Bit DACs like the Schiit products and I do like the resistor ladder DACs like Denafrips or Gustard. I prefer a smooth detailed sound. Right now I am smitten with the newer AKM4499EXEQ+AK4191EQ Hybrid chip set. I just bought a Geshelli J2S with that set up. Very, very good. Thank you for viewing and asking a good question.
So, I have a very good dac in the chord qutest, which I love, but do not yet stream music. Part of the problem is that I live in the rural area with no wi fi connection (and satellite is expensive).
If and when they ever do install lines on my road what streamer (without a dac) would you suggest? As you stated, just streamers do have differences. What are the differences? (Sound quality, processing, and/or the streaming cababilities?)
Dan, Tough question because of the pace of technology. Right now, because of my experience with the unit, I wuld go with the Cambridge MXN10. I know it has a DAC and it is ok but, I use it as a digital transport to feed other DACs, etc. that I have in for review. The Stream Magic software is great and it sounds very, very good. At $500 it isn't cheap but I can't think of a stand alone streamer that comes close for even up to $1000. The Stream Magic engine has been in use for over a dozen years and Cambridge built their own module and the core OS is Linux so no worries about an Android update that suddenly abandons your device. They still update and support those original devices from back in the day. I like that very much. Great question and I hope I was able to give you a decent, if not verbose, answer. Thanks so much.
Hi not so old hifi guy,
I am confused as to how multiple DACs interact with each other. So, for example, my set up has a WiiM Pro Plus streaming via an optical cable to an Emotiva TA-1. Both have DACs. Which DAC am I hearing? If I wanted to add a “better” DAC, would it have to use RCAs to bypass the Emotiva DAC? Maybe this is all perfectly simple, but not to this not so old guy.
Good question, Your WiiM pro is only sending a data signal via optical so, it's internal DAC is not being used. The TA-1's internal DAC is doing all the heavy lifting. Yes, if you wanted to use a "better" DAC you would take the optical from the WiiM into the new DAC and RCA in to the TA-1. I hope that helps. Thanks for tuning in.
Any idea which DAC chip is thought of as better? I know this can be highly subjective when comparing things of similar quality, but sometimes we are comparing a Pyle to a McIntosh.
@@richgrao That is very subjective. My personal preference for chip based DACs is the AKM4499EXEQ+AK4191 Switched resistor/Multibit/Delta-Sigma hybrid found in the Geshelli and the Orchard Audio unit. It combines all the good parts of R2R/MuIti-bit, i.e., smooth detailed sound with the dynamic range and great signal to noise ratio of Delta-Sigma. I and am infatuated with this new development in DACs. I have several DACs with that set up here or on its way here so I can do a deeper dive. Great question.
I’ve been interested in the Eversolo A6 for some time, but in Canada where I am, it’s $1300. I have the WiiM Mini right streaming into an older Rotel amp and has been good so far. I’m curious to know how the new WiiM Ultra is going to fair against the Eversolo units?
Great question. I don't know either. I do know the streaming module in the WiiM, Pro, Pro+, Amp and Ultra are all the same and as I understand it they lack timing clocks which force the timing correction duties to their internal DACs. I think that jitter and timing issues are their short coming. The software is very good. Thanks for the view and question.
Hello...I don't get how the Cambridge Streamer is so good but it has the ESS Chip that you say has too much energy. How's the chip affecting the streaming? I thought is was a DAC issue and unrelated. Appreciate your thoughts and content!
The streamer does not interact with the DAC unless you listen thru the analog output. If you go out the SPDIF toslink or coax it never goes the DAC. Does that make sense?
Ed (and others) would something like the Cambridge be a noticeable sonic upgrade over my current gen MacBook Pro streaming primarily Tidal? My DAC is a Schiit Gungnir.
Yes. Defiantly. The digital stream coming out of any computer is seriously compromised. Noisy, jittery, resampled and just plain crappy. If you think about it a computer is not designed as an audio product. It has audio because it kind of has to but, they don't bother trying to make any good because of cost, etc. Honestly any streamer is better that what any laptop/desktop computer offers. Obviously my choice is the Cambridge unit. I love it's sound and the Stream Magic software which, BTW runs on iOS very well. :et me know what you decide to do. Thanks so much for watching.
Hey, Ed! Great review, as always. Clear, consise, and always focused on the sound, not features.
Where would you place the Bluesound Nano in this lineup? I'm looking to upgrade the digital side of my system and I think the Geshelli Labs JNOG3 is a winner for the DAC, but I'm not sure about the streaming side. I like the user interface of the BS Nano just not totally sold on the sound or price. Thoughts?
I will be honest with you. I am not a fan of Bluesound streamers. While I am not a big fan of WiiM, I think on budget a WiiM pro is better with an external DAC. My first choice is the Cambridge MXN10. I have used that in almost every review I have done. It has a great software interface. An excellent streaming engine developed in house by Cambridge and it sounds, to me, better than any other streamer I have tried even up to $1500 +. I know at $499 it is not cheap but, and I believe this, it will probably be the last streamer you would need. Cambridge still supports the streaming product they sold a dozen years ago. I use mine with my Geshelli J2S AKM4499 and love the combo. Let me know your thoughts. Thank you.
@@OldGuyHifi I'll check the Cambridge out, thank you so much!
ESS digital glare? I have an AUNE X VIII and an SMSL 9 PRO, both with ESS, the 3938 and ESS 3939 PRO chips and I perceive no obvious digital glare. The Geshelli AKM dac I tried and soon sold sounded forward in the midrange and had a flattish sound stage. I prefer the ESS dacs at under $1000.
Scott, It is up to each of us to find the sound we like. I was just sharing my opinions. I am glad you have a set up that brings you joy. That ultimately is all the matters. Thanks for view and great comment.
What op amps did you have in the Geshelli? Sounds very different when you swap op amps.
@@Hawkeye242 I used the stock TIs, the Sparkos 3602s and 2509s as well as a Burson V7 Vivid. Yes they all sounded different. That said there really was no winner other than 2509s on balanced.
@Hawkeye242 the standard Geshelli op-amp of that time. I don't believe there was an option at that time. I bought a spakos op-amp for the AUNE X8, the sound was too aggressive for my taste. I went back to the standard op-amp and have enjoyed it since.
@@scottbennett3119 I have a Burson v7 vivid coming. So far, I actually like the stock op amp better than the sparkos 2590 in RCA. I’m hoping v7 is an upgrade to my ears but if not, the j3 with stock op amp was a nice upgrade over anything else I’ve heard up to this point. I know there is a lot of sparkos love, but to my ears on my gear, the sound is too diffuse and less focused. It sounds amazing on certain vocal heavy tracks that don’t have a lot going on in the treble region, but anything really heavy like metal or alternative rock it’s just off for me.
I am currently researching Streamer-Dacs and am considering the following options. I would love to get your input as I (as an old guy also) fully respect your opinion.
1. Orchard Audio PecanPi + Streamer Premium
2. Cambridge MXN10 streamer with Black Ice Audio Glass FX Tube DAC
3. Cambridge MX10 streamer with Geshelli Labs J3 DAC with AKM Velvet Sound DAC chip and possible Op Amp upgrades.
Thanks for all the great reviews and I really enjoy your videos and personality.
It just so happens that I can put together all of those combinations except the J3 and the Black Ice which they are sending me soon. I did buy a J2S and have Sparkos 3206 and 2509 opamps to roll. To me the differences between the J3 and the J2S are so minor as to not be a concern for reviewing. They are near as makes no difference the same sonicaly. Now if you wanted to run all 2509s, balanced and single ended then get the J3 as it has a more robust power supply to feed the bigger opamps. I am getting the Pecan Pi back on Monday and I already have the rest. It may take me a week or two to do a proper review and depending on fast they send me the Black Ice unit. They told me they were building one for me so... watch this space. Honestly my choice would always be the MXN10 as source. Orchard Audio does make a DAC only version without the Volumio streamer but the AK4499EXEQ chip set for about $700. All there DACs are compelling. I can't wait to get it all together. Thanks for the question. I will try and get you the answer I can.
@@OldGuyHifiI know that the Geshelli J3 was designed to fit the 3 larger AKM 2590 op amps (2 for balanced & one for single ended) which won’t fit on the J2S board. I will be pairing with a single ended amp (Black Ice F11 Tube Amp) and don’t really care about the multiple input selection feature on the J3 either. Would the larger single 2590 fit on the single ended output side of the J2? If so, a J2S with the dual stock op amps on the balanced side with the single 2590 upgrade on the single ended output seems like it would make the most sense for me. It would be great if you can verify if the 2590 can fit with this configuration. Thanks Ed.
@@jameskeller5396 Yes. I run my J2S with the 2590 on single ended and the stock TI OPA1656s on the balanced and it sounds very good. BTW I have an F22 on its way to me in a week or two as well as either a Glass FX or a Fusion to play with. I will test the J2S with the F22 for you and report back. Sound good?
Perfect timing Ed! Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I’m planning to go with the Black Ice F11 amp, but would love the F22. Also your thoughts on the FX Glass Tube Dac as I would think as a fan of multi-bit and ladder dacs, you might like the flavor of the tubes on the digital signal.
I am really looking forward to being able to play with all that fun stuff. I just gate an Advance Paris today. So look out for that in a couple of weeks. Thx.
You can use different things like ropiee among others with the pecan pi+ too. Just remember too for $800 you can get the pecan pi+ in the basic black case and no screen. Same dac/streamer/sound for half the price.
I know. I forgot to mention that. I hope Leo isn't made at me.
Have you reviewed the Bluesound Node? How would it compare? Thanks.
I have not done a review but, I have lots of experience the Node. I have only briefly heard the Node X. The standard Node uses a Texas Instruments PCM5242 DAC which I think is kind of dull and thin sounding. the unit sounded better connected to any outboard DAC. Honestly I am not very interested in that product. just my personal view. Thanks for the question.
Hi thank you for the reply what if I wanted to up date the AMP with streaming without breaking the bank could you recommend something please thanks again
The budget choice would be a WiiM Pro with an SMSL SU1 outboard DAC (approx.$250.) Very good performance for little money. If you want to go up a bit in price but a big jump in performance, then I highly recommend the Cambridge MxN10/AXN10 same insides just a different form factor. I know they are $500 but if you look on eBay Cambridge has an open box/"B" stock store and I have heard from viewers they saved a ton of money. Let me know what you decide. Thanks so much.
I purchased the A6 a year ago I use it as a transport only my Dac is the denafrips Pontus II you made me curious about the Cambridge!
I have a Pontus II here right now and have fed it with the MXN10 via Toslink and it is wonderful. I am going to hook the DMP-A6 up to it compare. I am curious to hear it as you do. Thanks so much for the view.
@@OldGuyHifibut I did upgrade the DMPA6 with a LPS
@@samidebs3559 The unit I have also has the LPS upgrade. Should be interesting.
@@OldGuyHifi Hello, did you get a chance to try out Pontus with A6. Just wondering if you noticed any difference vs the MXN10. thanks!
@@BrianS-xg5uqBrian, I did not have the A6 here when I was reviewing the Pontus. The streamer in the A6 is what it is. No external DAC can change that. It has its own sound and had the same sonic character regardless of the DAC. Great question. Thanks.
O BTW in the vein of my last line Cambridge came out with a second version of the CXN100 (now V2) last year which people said was better but people were pissed it did not have HDMI whic h Cambridge said :"you don't need it just use optical" but then a few months latter put it on the EXN100 which added $600-700 to cost.Then it was included.Given how highly rated the CXN was if I sold my version 1 and upgraded to the V.2 didn't get the HDMI then saw it on the EX well.........
Ar 2:18 you say the Cambridge unit is not a DAC, but at 5:50 you say it is a DAC, so I am confused.....
It is not a DAC. A DAC is a device that you can plug a digital source into. The MXN10 cannot be used that way. It does have a built-in DAC but only for its internal decoding.
@@OldGuyHifi OK, thank you!
BTW, I am an "old guy" too :)), with 40+ year old equipment, trying to figure out how to modernize (mostly to get into streaming, but my preamp is out for diagnosis, so maybe more; your Cambridge AXR100 and MXN10 are on my list if the preamp is toast. It's a Hafler DH-101 I made from a kit - love it, but may need to let go.) Anyway, I have been checking out your videos and subscribed today. Thanks again for your prompt response.
I dont really understand how a streamer can sound better once its bit perfect? Surely its just the dac? Anyone know how streamers can differ in sq?
Like a DAC a streamer needs to be able to reduce the incoming signal's jitter and timing issues. Inexpensive streamers lack a clocking system to do that and IMHO don't sound as good as a well designed stream module. I hear a big difference between the WiiM & Eversolo units and the Cambridge MXN10. I have had many other viewers say the same thing. It can also be power supplies which can introduce noise into the signal. I hope I am explaining ok. Thanks for a great question.
@@OldGuyHifi Thanks buddy. So the bits may be perfect but that doesn't mean they are transferred/processed with the correct timing.
@@ltmund That is my understanding and experience. Thanks for the reply.
The AXN10 (full component width MXN10 is on sale for 399, here in Europe). Maybe I should pick one up. If the digital output is any good. Volumio Primo and Rivo also belong in this equation.
I can vouch for the AXN/MXN 10. It is a very good unit. The internal DAC is quite good and you have the option of adding an outboard DAC in the future. As I am typing this I am listening to Bryan Ferry thru the MXN10 feeding a Galion TSA75 amp. It sounds wonderful. That price looks very good. Let me know what you decide. Cheers.
Hi Ed. Another great video. I want to send you a playlist but I have no idea how. All my current playlists are on Amazon music. Thanks for your help.
Email oldguyhifi@gmail.com.
Currently running a WiiM Pro into the internal DAC of my Technics SU-G700 and have had excellent sounding results, but last weekend I plugged the new FiiO K11 RTR into my main system and the WiiM going into the FiiO and to my ears made the streaming sound say a bit more "analog" where the presentation is smoothed out and warmer, thinking the FiiO is staying put for now and there might be a Denafrips in my future. I previously had a Cambridge CXN and it was a very nice streamer but thought the Fiio Pro was less glitchy with its software and processed the stream much smoother, never gave much thought if the SQ of the stream would actually improve utilizing the same DAC. I have the new Wiim Ultra being delivered tomorrow, wasnt expecting any sonic gains just wanted the visual screen of the Ultra but will keep my ears open for sure.
Sounds like a great set up. I have a friend that has the Technics and loves. Thanks for sharing and watching.
You should try a Bryson streamer--expensive retail but can be found quite reasonable on the used market. I have a BDP3 and I compared it directly with Roon when I had it before the most hypocritical company on the planet bought them out.
Anyway I digress...but the Bryson MPD app sounded better than Roon direct to my Oppo 205 The B control system is like something out of the 90s--but it does have it's advantages in that it's web-based... and the pure audio out of it sounds fantastic. They're working on a more updated app but it's taken quite some time to get it right. I'm now debating selling it and getting the "combo" version which also uses a raspberry pi streamer combined with their great sounding BDA3 AKM-based DAC.
Sounds like a great system. Thanks for sharing it with me/us. Thanks also for tuning in.
Any chance you will be getting a Cambridge CXN100 for review?
Maybe. I already have the same DAC and Stream Magic engine in my EVO150. It sounds amazing. I use my 150 as a pre-amp as well so I get that sound through a lot of the amps I test. I just got the CXA81 MkII in so look out for that review soon. Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi CXA81MK2??? Sweet, I will keep an eye out for that one. Any chance you could include a comparison to your AXR100?
@@S682 I think so. Thx.
Thank you what about a streaming Amp what do you think a recommendation thanks
Sorry. I misunderstood. Most streaming amp start at around $650 for the basic Bluesound Powernode Edge and can get to several thousands of dollars like my EVO150 or NAD Master series or Nain Unity Atom. What is your budget target. That will give me a better idea. Thx.
Streamer DAC !!! Volumio,Moode,Daphile orher great open source of options .
If you are not afraid or have a friend that could help technology has become plug and play you don't have to build anything.
Leo does a Great Job the software for that Orchard DAC is used by the top player in HIFI and is open source !!!
I thing I should do some step by step videos on how-to build one for under $500 that can play music with a deep dark background and life like presentation with a wide Soundstage and dark background where the instrument POP!! like a in the room Performance.
I would defiantly watch that. Thanks for the information and view.
where might the wiim ultra fit in this comparison?
I don't know for sure but, it shares the same streaming module. The issue with WiiM product is they don't have any timing clocks. I think it muddies the sound. Thank you for the view.
@@OldGuyHifiThe WiiM ultra allows for USB out so that it bypasses the WiiM clock and uses the clock of the external DAC. I would venture to guess that with USB out, it would be fully transparent with any distortion to the signal inaudible. We’ll see when more reviewers test it in the coming months.
@@Hawkeye242 That's a great point. Since I only had the Pro I didn't have a way to do asynchronous. I am working on getting an Ultra to review. Watch this space. Thanks.
Cheers Ed. "I always go for the pancakes" Classic.
That made me laugh too.
With lots of butter and real Maple syrup. Damn, now I am hungry. Thanks.
You are missing something in the $300 realm. Surprised you didn't add the Wiim Ultra to that lineup. Also, on the upper end, I would have been curious to see a Denafripps unit in the lineup. Nice comparison, but a bit shocked to hear about how the Eversolo ranks. I always heard good things about them.
The WiiM Ultra has the exact same streaming engine as the Pro & Pro+v so it would not have mattered. Thx for watching.
@@OldGuyHifi It was a good video. Have you tried a Denafrips unit? If so, what is your opinion on them. Specifically, I am interested in the Enyo, which is the cheapest unit Denafrips makes.
My understanding is that the Wiim Pro+ significantly upgraded the DAC. While it might not beat the best outboard DACs, it seems to hold its own against many of the more affordable DACs.
I am sure the DAC is ok. It is the streaming engine that is the weak point. Very poor oscillator circuit and clock implementation. Lot's of jitter. Not all streamers are the same. On WIFI streams there is tons of noise and timing issues. While it may not but very audible it does increase the overall noise floor which can smear the image and dramatically reduce fine details. For the money the WiiM is fine. I have one for background music when entertaining and it sounds ok. It won't pass muster for critical listening however. Great comment. Thank you.
I have a WiiM pro to an Ares II DAC. This combo replaced the Echo link and BS Node. Very happy with it. It's hard to beat WiiM software.
They do a good job with that for sure. I think most everything would sound good running into the Ares. I have a Pontus here now. Review soon. If you know Zeidman, he switched to the MXN10 and runs it thru a Ladder Schuman and loves more than the WiiM pro he had.
Hey Ed, in the wish list of "this would be cool for you to review" the Volumio Motivo. Hans Beekhuyzen is the only one I've seen review it.
I will look into it. Thank you. Thanks for coming back for more!
I ended up replacing A6 Standard with Volumio Motivo both strictly as a streamer (roon). Prefer the Motivo , sounds better to me than the A6. Is it 900$ better? i don't think so. But I like that it has an i2s output that I use with my pontus dac.
@@BrianS-xg5uq Nice. I will reach out to them today.
@@OldGuyHifi It would be awesome if you can get one to review. Love to hear your input!
Curious why you chose newer amps over vintage.
The newer amps I choose don't come from mainstream companies like Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo etc. I am a fan of those firms who focus on 2 channel. Arcam, Attol, Vincent, Rogue, Cambridge, Orchard Audio, etc. These modern amps are far more dynamic and musical than popular vintage gear. I like vintage for nostalgic reasons but because in the day everybody chased watts and THD specs, the amps sound flat and lifeless to my ear. If you enjoy that sounds more power to you. It's just not my jam. Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi Im still learning and exploring, I know you have a background in the vintage gear, and yet you have the modern. Thanks for the input. I do like vintage,.but also have Emotiva mono blocks mostly I like combining eras.
@@johnreis8520 Whatever makes you happy. Vintage audio is like a classic car. Very nostalgic and pretty but, you wouldn't want to drive one everyday. Make sense?
You've piqued my interest in the Cambridge MXN-10 - it has an internal power supply, apparently. Can you at some point compare it to a Bluesound Node xx? I have replaced the internal switch mode power supply with an external linear power supply, and that made a YUGE improvement in the sound quality. Like my preference for standalone DACs, I think standalone streamers make the most sense, because you are not paying for things you will never use. So I have been looking for a better streamer - the Volumio Rivo is on my list - and now maybe the Cambridge MXN-10.
I like one particular feature in the Bluesound OS - I can sign into my Radio Paradise account, and this lets me listen to My Favorites on RP. (Though this feature just was broken a few days ago - I have to hope that they will correct this issue, soon?) At some point, I might go Roon or the software you use (remind me of the name), but so far I have been streaming "unassisted".
Neil, I just emailed Cambridge tech support Mgr, to ask him if the internal power supply is linear. Because of the time difference between me and London I may not know for a day or so. The MXN10 does not support Radio Paradise. Sorry. The Bluesound Node X and regular Bluesound use the same streaming module ( they all do) and I have compared the two. I think the Node X has an ESS DAC vs the TI DAC in the regular Node. I won't do a review of that because I only had the Node for a couple of days and didn't get a chance to film anything. I feed both into my Bifrost over SPDIF and could switch back and forth quickly. To my ear the Cambridge sounded more open and detailed without any brightness. The Node sounded a bit thin and the sound stage was not as well defined. I use the MXN10 as a digital transport for just about every review with many DAC combos. I have always found it to be very accurate and reveling. I use Audirvana and often go UPNP to the MXN10 and then to a DAC for those setups where I don't want to run a long cable. My suspicion is Lenbrook developed Bluesound to hit a price point. I don't know if they have made many updates over time. Cambridge developed the Stream Magic platform about 12 years ago and because it is based on Linux they can still support all those old devices. Zeidman got one to replace his WiiM Pro+ feeding his Ladder-Schuman and told me it was a big upgrade. I think he said he was hearing things, in songs he has been listening to for decades, that he didn't know was there. If you want to dip your toe, Cambridge has a great Bay store where they sell open box and "B" stock units cheap. That's how Steve got his. If you want to try Audirvana free for 30 days go here: audirvana.com/try/ Keep me posted on want you decide. Thank you my friend.
Neil, I heard back from Cambridge about the internal power supply: "MXN10 power supply is switch mode, but then it has a few low noise linear regulators for some sub-sections, including the DAC." Let me know if you need any additional info. Thx.
@@OldGuyHifi - right, the proof is in the listening, and it seems they have a good unit. Adding the LPS to the Node made a yuge improvement - as much as it helps a DAC.
Using the WiiM pro as a streamer only I replaced the standard power supply with an Ipower2 which improved the clarity. Replaced that with a linear power supply and could not believe the improved sound detail!
I have heard that from others as well. I didn't have the opportunity to do that. Thanks for the view and comment.
@@denisblades1375 what linear ps did you go for?
@@derekpowell1646 Aliexpress has good cheap ones. I a got a 50w ultra low noise for AU$150.
I tried both the Wiim Mini and Cambridge and went back to my Bluesound Node 2i.
You have to go with what you like. I am glad you found you favorite. Thx.
Good info. though about a confusing topic.
Thank you so much.
Yesterday at my favorite new and used record shop I bought 40 VG++ lps for $60. To each their own.
Mmmm. Yummy vinyl. I still listen to records all the time. I do love them.
Very good video but there's one thing I don't understand, I checked out these prices and they're expensive for these things and I'm still not 100% sure what they do I guess you can just stream with them, but if your receiver or your amp has Bluetooth why don't you just dream off Bluetooth from your phone or your tablet to your amp then you can listen to music through RUclips music or RUclips for Spotify would not be cheaper than buying one of these? Thanks
All of these devices stream high resolution audio files. Bluetooth is not a high resolution format. It is a very compromised audio delivery system. If you are happy with Bluetooth then you are good to go. I use a streamer because at it's minimum resolution or will deliver at least CD quality audio at 16 bits-44.1kHz. Good question. Thx.
Try listening to Houston Person "To Each His Own" on his "Mellow" Album from 2009. Richest sax texture I have ever heard. Very relaxing melody too.
I will. Thank you for the suggestion and for tuning in.
Still love you Ed! 😎
I bet you say that to all the RUclipsrs. I am flattered.
what can you stream tidal, amazon, etc. volumio no amazon ?
Me personally? I use Tidal, Qobuz and we have Spotify because my wife likes it. I don't do Amazon. Volumio is not a streaming service. Did that answer your question? Let me know. Thx.
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Subscription music ? Remember when there was such a thing as radio! It was free ! Good tuner antenna? Yeah I know.
Then we got huge record collections , huge CD collections ! Now it’s the dac a week club ? And subscription music ? No more you owning your music? You need to subscribe? You need another piece of gear? I like putting my CDs on hard drive or tape !my records also but it’s your music . you can do what you want with it ! So now instead of phono cartridges and tape it’s dacs and streamers?
I have a ps audio dac and a Mac mini I’m not interested in a dac that cost more than a good cartridge ! Maybe R2R thing it could be useful? And only $150. If I can’t use the media I already own I’m not interested. CDs and albums are $1.00 or 50 cents out here NYC
So storage and playback are still important to me,not subscription music and dubious equipment.
Ernest, I get where you are coming from to some extent I agree with you. But, the times they are a changing. Also, I wouldn't have anything to talk about. I appreciate your view and comment. Thanks.
Yeah inside the price range the Eversolo A6/Master Edition would be the best to compare sounding much better than the standard A6.
The unit I reviewed had an upgraded power supply. I don't think it would have mattered. It is not the power supply that was the issue for me. Thanks for you comment.
@@OldGuyHifi “Think”??? Ooook!! That just lost you some credibility with me…the Master edition has a different chipset and clock set up and blows the A6(S) sonically out of contention here.
@@Csnumber1 I thought the A8 had the AKM chip set and the Master editions still used the ESS chips. Stand corrected. Thank you for pointing that out.
@@OldGuyHifi You do know ESS has different DAC chips right!!? Not all chipsets in particular clocking set ups sound the same. Like aluminum dome tweeters all sounding too harsh….not true. The ME is phenomenal!!
@@Csnumber1 Yes and for the last 5 years or so, they all share the same basic Delta-Sigma architecture. I am expressing my opinion. I am certainly not the last word on this. You are. That's all that matters. Thx.
Como streamer solamente cuál es el mejor a tu gusto! Tengo un eversolo A6 y un wiim pro ambos a dacs externos
Onestamente, preferisco di gran lunga il Cambridge MXN10 a entrambe le unità. L'Eversolo è costruito molto bene ma non mi piace il software né il suo suono. Il WiiM è realizzato in modo molto economico e dal punto di vista sonoro scadente. Tuttavia, dopotutto è un giudizio soggettivo. Quali DAC usi? Grazie per la visione e il commento.
@@OldGuyHifi utilizo un wadia 121 con fuente externa lineal , también un Dac interno de mi pre amplificador Krell HTS y uno casero fabricado por una persona que conozco que suena muy muy bien
@@paladinonicolas Hai delle attrezzature fantastiche. Per un certo periodo ho avuto un Wadia Digimaster x32 e l'ho adorato. Credo davvero che l'unità WiiM rappresenti un serio collo di bottiglia per le prestazioni del tuo sistema. Penso davvero che l'unità Cambridge, solo come streamer, sia l'unità migliore per meno di $ 1000,00 USD. Presto recensirò l'unità HiFi Rose, quindi tienilo d'occhio. Grazie mille per aver guardato il mio canale. Lo apprezzo.
@@OldGuyHifi hace unos meses escuché un hifi rose 150 y no noté gran diferencia por el precio que presenta! Pero esperaré con ansias tu video
@@paladinonicolas Grazie. Sono ansioso di ascoltarlo anch'io. La mia recensione potrebbe non essere pubblicata prima del primo dell'anno. Ho un sacco di attrezzatura in coda. Grazie per la visione e il commento.
You need to try the DMP A8.
I would very much like to. I am fascinated with the AKM4499 chip set and have had several DACs that use it. I am trying to get more and do a comparison. Thanks so much for watching.
@@OldGuyHifi I just did this with the OA and the A8. I am returning the OA. The Raspberry Pi is too wonky for us even with using Roon. The A8 is more stable and user friendly. Using Roon is a game changer.
@@marybethheydt8099 O get it. I also had a few issues with it. I was able to overcome them for the review. I would love to try the A8. That AKM chip set sounds great in another one of my stand alone DACs. Thanks for the update. Cheers.
the master 6 is excellent worth the extra
I wish I had access to it. Thanks for watching.
I wish I had better internet to take advantage of the WiiM pro's best attributes. I can't even listen to High res recordings on it.
greetings from the middle of nowhere WV.
I am sorry to hear that. Maybe you could get a good CD player? Thanks for watching.
I use Ropieee on RPi4 board and output the sound through usb to SMSL SU-1. Ropieee supports Airplay 1 which streams lossless from Apple Music on Iphone.
Great info. Thank you.
When in doubt, always go to the pancakes.
I always go for the double stack.
Cambridge audio is a streamer and a da converter not just a streamer as you say.
Yes.
Crutchfield says the MXN10 has a DAC.
It does. It is pretty good too. I don't mention it often because I use it as a digital transport to feed signal via SPDIF to test other DACs. Did you have a question about it?
Excellent, thanks for this, very interesting. I'm curious about your process, what kind of testtracks are your goto specifically when evaluating the DAC quality, what exactly do you hear in the ESS you don't like?
Just received the Wiim Ultra and I love the device. It's now camping on my desktop so the touchscreen is valid. I do intend to move it to the livingroom, I'm so happy with the Wiim devices (also the Pro plus and the Amp). They just work and play daily for everybody in the house! I might try an external DAC, I have a Topping. Thanks and continue the great content!
I love this Paolo Nutini song in my test playlist music.ruclips.net/video/BuF1u9MnkjM/видео.html&si=yRwam0ZoayYp-9W5
Regards from Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
Ewout, Sorry for the late response. I re-did the community post playlist to initially include some of my test track playlists on Tidal. Spotify & Qobuz will follow. To give you a reference on what I mean when I talk about ESS Sabre "glare" listen to Bryan Ferry's album Bête Noire. The recording is very bright to begin with, and to me is almost unlistenable on a Sabre based DAC. On a non-ESS DAC it is still very bright but, much more tolerable. Unfortunately that Paolo Nutini track is not available to play here in the US on RUclips. I promise I will find it. Ultimately all that matters is your opinion. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks so much for your support.
Theirs no Glare on 9038 . And the 9039 has exceptional mids 😮😊
I haven't heard the 9039 yet. I know ESS followed AKM and went with a current based design as opposed to a voltage based setup. I bet it will sound good. Thanks for the view.
My conclusion: Separates FTW.
Yes.
I have the Wiim pro plus with room correction activated running through a Chord Mojo 2 via optical cable, sounds incredible 👌
Sounds like a great system. If it gives you pleasure that is all that matters. Thx for the view and sharing your system configuration.