Just a small correction, and this is actually an issue that WGA hasn't addressed about their own product description yet despite it being pointed out to them, but that tripod mounted machine-gun is actually a Fiat-Revelli Modello 1935, not a Breda 37. This weapon was the infamous "knuckle buster" machine-gun, and an air cooled version of the previous M1914 model that served through World War I. The biggest change from the 1914 to 1935 models was the feeding mechanism, going from this.... big, dumb needlessly complex box of several 5 round clips that hampered rate of fire to proper belt feeding.
Hi Wolfe, thanks for your quality input here...much appreciated. I think the model definitely seems to share characteristics of both weapons ( cross-pollinated perhaps?) on the model of the MG itself and on the tripod too.. very interesting point and well presented- thanks! Love your attention to detail, and thanks for your feedback! Kind Regards, Dan.
@@ValhallaGames I can partly agree on "cross pollination" except as a gun guy, I'd call it "lazy" and "incorrect." It has a Breda 37-styled receiver in that it's flat front to back, lacking the exposed ledge where the F-R Mod 35's bolt travels back outside the weapon, but the barrel, the big box that fits to the side, the iron sites, etc... basically everything else about it's detailing is Fiat-Revelli 1935. The biggest thing it's missing to even resemble a Breda from a distance is the left-hand clip feed tray. Because Breda was obsessed with this garbage feature on all it's machine-guns for some reason. It's the one real historical detail mistake with this box, not the helmets like so many initially believed looking at preview images. Otherwise, the only other things wrong with the kit are the same issues all their kits suffer. Integral bases on plastics, which are unnecessary and just create more busy work for those of us who use putty/spackle/whatever to hide them on a normal base, and the stupid, terrible neck/head joint design that should be a ball joint like Warlord, GW, Mantic, Victrix and basically everyone else commonly does.
I have a Bulgarian Cold War era helmet which is based on the WWII Italian helmet. They do have a rather modern shape to them. Also comfortable for a steel helmet.
Hi Dan, thanks for watching. Yes, the eastern bloc ones that followed certainly had a similar profile and the much reduced 'brim' became a thing for sure. Ive never tried one of these Italian ones on. Thanks for sharing mate, hope you enjoyed the vid! Regards, Dan
Thanks Marc! I chose to do a longer vid to make it comprehensive with the size comparisons etc, happy to hear you found them useful. Thanks for watching. Regards, Dan
@@ricocorrea3404 Hi Rico, good question. Ive gone for the cotton fatigue uniform rather than the olive green wool uniform, as this was the only uniform the majority of the coastal divisions in Sicily were equipped with, and I'm playing most of my games within Sicily with this particular army. The colour is greys, but the lighting pushes it in the occaisional image/vid slightly toward a blue. Thanks for your question, hope that answers that one for you. Regards, Dan
@@ValhallaGames Thank you, Sir. Also, how may one try and obtain the Primosol book you launched in KS, Sir? I missed it, Sir. Please and thank you, Sir.
@@ricocorrea3404 no problem! and thanks for your interest in the book. Heres the link to the page on the blog on our website that gives further details. Feel free to email us there for any further info ; www.valhallagames.net/index.php/the-battle-for-primosole-bridge-pre-order
@@ValhallaGames Most definitely, Dan. Loving the miniature comparisons and modeling/painting. Also chuffed to see the excursion into Chain of Command. Looking forward to what Valhalla has coming down the pike!
@@Jim-yk9if Thanks! Glad youve enjoyed our content so far, and YES plenty more diverse stuff to come, and including more CoC stuff for sure! Thanks for watching, i hope your own hobby is going really well? Regards, Dan
An excellent review, Dan. I completely spaced on the KickStarter! I'll go through the links here in a bit. I still haven't gotten my hands on any of the Wargames Atlantic stuff even though I've been a fan from all the examples I've seen. Lots of possibilities with these. Looking forward to more on the project as it goes forward.
Hi Mate, Happy New Year. There is loads of possibilities indeed..a very good set. Im glad you thought it was good, we agonised over doing the longer vs . shorter review, looks like people have really enjoyed the longer 'all in one ' format for this one! Thanks for watching, Dan
Thanks! glad you found some value in it. Thanks for the feedback on the comparisons, we plan to do more in the future like this where its possible to so to help peoples decision making process. Hope you enjoy the other content too. Kind Regards, Dan
Thanks! yes, agreed. Plenty of scope especially for those who like a little kitbash. The sculpting is amazingly well defined for plastics. I highly recommend them. Regards, Dan
Hi, thank you! Yes theres plenty of room to do your own kitbashes and pose changes etc with the kit, its very good!! Thanks for watching, Regards, Dan.
Hi, yes they look fantastic, dont they?! i could definitely have been ersuaded to go in that direction had I not been doing them for the Coastal Div in Sicily...very very nice details on them!!! Thanks for watching and your feedback on the models too. Kind Regards, Dan
Hi, thanks very much- glad you found it useful! Yes- they were sprayed with Army painter uniform grey and then washed liberally with Citadel Nuln Oil, from there layered up with VMC Basalt grey in the shadows and Basalt grey was mixed with increasing amounts of Army painter Uniform grey for highlights until straight uniform grey was used for the highlights. I think its the arid basing and greens that help to pull the little bit of blue in these colours of grey. Hope this is usefu; and you enjoy painting your figures- let us know how you got on! Regards, Dan
Hi MJ..we dont yet but I think that's a great suggestion and we will get onto it for you! I have just packed all my armies as I'm moving house so at this stage it wouldnt be until Mid -Feb. Will that be too late for you?
Well, I'm paining some paras now using the fantastic instructions in your earlier video, but I can use them on the table for a time with plain painted bases until you get the chance to do a proper video. Many thanks.
Hi! Yes..these helmets continue to be the most controversial part of the set. Regardless, I hope you enjoyed the video and at least it sounds like the additional all round views of the figures helped finalise your opinion. Thanks for watching! Dan
@@ValhallaGames Yeah, of course I really enjoied the video, and sorry if I didn't said it! If I can dare to offer you a source about model M33, I put here the link to an interesting old document filmed by the Italian Army to present the model M33 to the public and announce its adoption in place of the Adrian model used during WW1, I hope it may help in explaining my humble point of view, sorry for the Italian in the video but in practice they say that the new helmet is better in every respect, even though at first it may look .. ugly! ; ) ruclips.net/video/iNIlXLXOcjA/видео.html
Hi, Thanks for watching and your feedback- always appreciate it. I would say the helmet shape has definitely been one of the areas that the kit has the most concerns from the potential audience. I thought that the washes and highlights did a much better job of picking out the curvature and the rim than some people had felt, judging by feedback id seen initially. Still some question marks on the shape remain, my point was purely that the 3/4 view we were getting from the box images were appearing to some that the rim curvature went up at the ear, so as we can see here, that isnt a concern viewers needed to have any longer with the profile view we can see on the vid-after that its up to the buyer to decide. One of the many positives about the kit is the ability to fit regular troops with soft hats ( if you find that acceptable for your force/theatre) or take the specialist troops head dress options within. I really appreciate you giving your opinion on it though, thanks for that and tuning in to watch-appreciate it! Kind Regards, Dan.
@@ValhallaGames If you look at a M33 helmet it's a V shape on the side. The WGA miniature is a shallow inverted V on the side. None the less you're a classy guy. All the best!
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Just a small correction, and this is actually an issue that WGA hasn't addressed about their own product description yet despite it being pointed out to them, but that tripod mounted machine-gun is actually a Fiat-Revelli Modello 1935, not a Breda 37. This weapon was the infamous "knuckle buster" machine-gun, and an air cooled version of the previous M1914 model that served through World War I. The biggest change from the 1914 to 1935 models was the feeding mechanism, going from this.... big, dumb needlessly complex box of several 5 round clips that hampered rate of fire to proper belt feeding.
Hi Wolfe, thanks for your quality input here...much appreciated. I think the model definitely seems to share characteristics of both weapons ( cross-pollinated perhaps?) on the model of the MG itself and on the tripod too.. very interesting point and well presented- thanks! Love your attention to detail, and thanks for your feedback! Kind Regards, Dan.
@@ValhallaGames I can partly agree on "cross pollination" except as a gun guy, I'd call it "lazy" and "incorrect." It has a Breda 37-styled receiver in that it's flat front to back, lacking the exposed ledge where the F-R Mod 35's bolt travels back outside the weapon, but the barrel, the big box that fits to the side, the iron sites, etc... basically everything else about it's detailing is Fiat-Revelli 1935. The biggest thing it's missing to even resemble a Breda from a distance is the left-hand clip feed tray. Because Breda was obsessed with this garbage feature on all it's machine-guns for some reason. It's the one real historical detail mistake with this box, not the helmets like so many initially believed looking at preview images.
Otherwise, the only other things wrong with the kit are the same issues all their kits suffer. Integral bases on plastics, which are unnecessary and just create more busy work for those of us who use putty/spackle/whatever to hide them on a normal base, and the stupid, terrible neck/head joint design that should be a ball joint like Warlord, GW, Mantic, Victrix and basically everyone else commonly does.
I have a Bulgarian Cold War era helmet which is based on the WWII Italian helmet. They do have a rather modern shape to them. Also comfortable for a steel helmet.
Hi Dan, thanks for watching. Yes, the eastern bloc ones that followed certainly had a similar profile and the much reduced 'brim' became a thing for sure. Ive never tried one of these Italian ones on. Thanks for sharing mate, hope you enjoyed the vid! Regards, Dan
Thanks Dan, these look excellent. ...more variety for Sicily!
Thanks MJ, yep indeed! They were a pleasure to assemble and paint, defined detail and loads of options. Highly recommended. Regards, Dan
Nice job Dan, I really appreciated the extra detail about the weapons etc makes it so much more interesting than 'just plastic men'
thanks for the review. I like to see Italian forces headed to the tabletop. I am sorry to have been a year late for your KS.
Glad you enjoyed it! If you want the book it is available in physical copies or PDF from our store;
www.valhallagames.net/store/
Thanks. Really good comparisons and review.
Thanks Marc! I chose to do a longer vid to make it comprehensive with the size comparisons etc, happy to hear you found them useful. Thanks for watching. Regards, Dan
Great review and lovely painting too. You undersell your abilities.
Thanks Al, very kind of you, and im glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent review Dan, and fantastic to see them painted. Thanks very much
Why are the uniforms WWI French uniform colors, rather than the olive greenish color Sir?
@@ricocorrea3404 Hi Rico, good question. Ive gone for the cotton fatigue uniform rather than the olive green wool uniform, as this was the only uniform the majority of the coastal divisions in Sicily were equipped with, and I'm playing most of my games within Sicily with this particular army. The colour is greys, but the lighting pushes it in the occaisional image/vid slightly toward a blue. Thanks for your question, hope that answers that one for you. Regards, Dan
Thanks Dom, Glad you like them and hope you find the detail in the vid useful. Regards, Dan
@@ValhallaGames Thank you, Sir. Also, how may one try and obtain the Primosol book you launched in KS, Sir? I missed it, Sir. Please and thank you, Sir.
@@ricocorrea3404 no problem! and thanks for your interest in the book. Heres the link to the page on the blog on our website that gives further details. Feel free to email us there for any further info ;
www.valhallagames.net/index.php/the-battle-for-primosole-bridge-pre-order
Thanks for such a detailed review! Much appreciated!
Hi Jim, Glad you liked it- thanks for watching! Hope you enjoy our other content as well. Kind Regards, Dan.
@@ValhallaGames Most definitely, Dan. Loving the miniature comparisons and modeling/painting. Also chuffed to see the excursion into Chain of Command. Looking forward to what Valhalla has coming down the pike!
@@Jim-yk9if Thanks! Glad youve enjoyed our content so far, and YES plenty more diverse stuff to come, and including more CoC stuff for sure! Thanks for watching, i hope your own hobby is going really well? Regards, Dan
Great looking figures here, informative and nice video...I do like the blue shades...and, of course, the comparisons!
Thanks Phil! we did agonise over the length but we wanted to fit everything in for viewers, we are happy that you enjoyed it!
An excellent review, Dan. I completely spaced on the KickStarter! I'll go through the links here in a bit. I still haven't gotten my hands on any of the Wargames Atlantic stuff even though I've been a fan from all the examples I've seen. Lots of possibilities with these. Looking forward to more on the project as it goes forward.
Hi Mate, Happy New Year. There is loads of possibilities indeed..a very good set. Im glad you thought it was good, we agonised over doing the longer vs . shorter review, looks like people have really enjoyed the longer 'all in one ' format for this one! Thanks for watching, Dan
Hi JVC paints I just sent you an email can you check and confirm that you received VHG_Rex
Nice, informative and detailed review. And very nicely posed and painted examples. Cheers.
Thanks Andy, glad you found it informative, and thanks for your kind words! Dan
Nice review and lovely painting
Thanks for watching! Dan
Great comparison vid mate. Vids like this can san you a lot of money.
Thanks! glad you found some value in it. Thanks for the feedback on the comparisons, we plan to do more in the future like this where its possible to so to help peoples decision making process. Hope you enjoy the other content too. Kind Regards, Dan
A very nice boxed set lot's of details and plenty of scope.What's not to like i ask myself?Nice review🐻🤗👍
Thanks! yes, agreed. Plenty of scope especially for those who like a little kitbash. The sculpting is amazingly well defined for plastics. I highly recommend them. Regards, Dan
Very nice review plenty of conversion on these
Hi, thank you! Yes theres plenty of room to do your own kitbashes and pose changes etc with the kit, its very good!! Thanks for watching, Regards, Dan.
Great review; I appreciate the views of assembled figures. Well done!
Hi Joe, Glad you enjoyed it and found the varied views of the figures useful! Thanks for watching
Very knowledgeable review. Thank you.
I like the alpini sculpts on the heads .
Hi, yes they look fantastic, dont they?! i could definitely have been ersuaded to go in that direction had I not been doing them for the Coastal Div in Sicily...very very nice details on them!!! Thanks for watching and your feedback on the models too. Kind Regards, Dan
Top review and figures.
Thank you! glad you enjoyed it. Regards, Dan
Very Impressive..I will have to order some. I bought some figures from Studio159printnpaint who 3D prints stuff mainly early war .
Hi Christopher, thanks for the tip ill check them out. Regards, Dan
Thanks for the review.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it, hope your hobby is going well? Regards, Dan
Would love to know what the Italian song at the end was! Great job on those minis
Thanks for watching and your kind feedback. I shall ask Rex to comment on here with the music details...i couldnt stop humming it, lol. Regards, Dan.
Such a good review. Can you remember what that grey blue colour is you used to paint them.
Hi, thanks very much- glad you found it useful! Yes- they were sprayed with Army painter uniform grey and then washed liberally with Citadel Nuln Oil, from there layered up with VMC Basalt grey in the shadows and Basalt grey was mixed with increasing amounts of Army painter Uniform grey for highlights until straight uniform grey was used for the highlights. I think its the arid basing and greens that help to pull the little bit of blue in these colours of grey. Hope this is usefu; and you enjoy painting your figures- let us know how you got on! Regards, Dan
Dan, I forgot to ask, do you have a guide to basing your Sicilian campaign miniatures ... what material/sand , paint colours etc?
Hi MJ..we dont yet but I think that's a great suggestion and we will get onto it for you! I have just packed all my armies as I'm moving house so at this stage it wouldnt be until Mid -Feb. Will that be too late for you?
Well, I'm paining some paras now using the fantastic instructions in your earlier video, but I can use them on the table for a time with plain painted bases until you get the chance to do a proper video. Many thanks.
Hi dad poppy here I like it
He is a good painter for sure thanks for looking Poppy. From uncle Rex
Yay! Hiya Poppy! Im so glad you liked watching this. Thank you for watching our video xxx Love you Lots, Dad
sympa, bonne journée.
Merci beaucoup from Dan and I VHG_Rex
Merci!
I don't like the helmets, in my opinion they are wrong, their shape is very different from the mod. M33 Italian helmet used in WW2.
Hi! Yes..these helmets continue to be the most controversial part of the set. Regardless, I hope you enjoyed the video and at least it sounds like the additional all round views of the figures helped finalise your opinion. Thanks for watching! Dan
@@ValhallaGames Yeah, of course I really enjoied the video, and sorry if I didn't said it!
If I can dare to offer you a source about model M33, I put here the link to an interesting old document filmed by the Italian Army to present the model M33 to the public and announce its adoption in place of the Adrian model used during WW1, I hope it may help in explaining my humble point of view, sorry for the Italian in the video but in practice they say that the new helmet is better in every respect, even though at first it may look .. ugly! ; ) ruclips.net/video/iNIlXLXOcjA/видео.html
Where's the models with the white flags as they're surrendering?
Last game they won so... :-/ VHG_Rex
Thanks for the review.
3:30 though. Don't "Let's Go Brandon" me. The helmets are completely the wrong shape.
Hi, Thanks for watching and your feedback- always appreciate it. I would say the helmet shape has definitely been one of the areas that the kit has the most concerns from the potential audience.
I thought that the washes and highlights did a much better job of picking out the curvature and the rim than some people had felt, judging by feedback id seen initially. Still some question marks on the shape remain, my point was purely that the 3/4 view we were getting from the box images were appearing to some that the rim curvature went up at the ear, so as we can see here, that isnt a concern viewers needed to have any longer with the profile view we can see on the vid-after that its up to the buyer to decide. One of the many positives about the kit is the ability to fit regular troops with soft hats ( if you find that acceptable for your force/theatre) or take the specialist troops head dress options within.
I really appreciate you giving your opinion on it though, thanks for that and tuning in to watch-appreciate it! Kind Regards, Dan.
@@ValhallaGames
If you look at a M33 helmet it's a V shape on the side. The WGA miniature is a shallow inverted V on the side.
None the less you're a classy guy. All the best!