SUCH an underated channel omfg. Every review i could find doesnt take into consideration double clicking or Minecraft performance while also including fps games, helped me out sooooo much
Been maining this mouse for the last few months, I must say, it's great for the price, and probably competes with some of it's (much) more expensive counterparts.
Yeah prices for mice in China are crazy low. I imagine that's due to a combination of not dealing with international transportation and also the currency conversion.
It seems a decent mouse, recently the Ajazz aj199 caught my attention, and i notice that has ajustable de-bounce time, it seems good for the price too. ¿What do you guys think?, Should i get it?
I have both the white AJ199 and F1 Moba version. The Dragonfly feels more premium and is lighter. Dragonfly has the better scroll-wheel and side buttons. Skates on both are bad. The AJ199 is scratchy, even after break-in. Dragonfly skates are good quality but very slow. I put Ghost Glides dots (3 on front, 4 on rear) on the Dragonfly and it's alot better. Both have adjustable debounce in the software. Be aware the Dragonfly f1 Pro Max and Moba use different software. The Moba version is in Chinese only. I used the Translate app on my iPhone to figure the software out. What I like better than both is AJ139 Pro. I have the black one. The mouse I keep going back to in my mouse rotation is the Ninjutso Sora. I have both the black and white versions. That's how much I like it.
@@CheapRedBoy Ok, thanks defenitly i'm going to try the Ajazz AJ139 pro, the space in the buttons it doesn't give me trust at all. But i come of Hyper X Pulsefire haste, so i thing i can get to easily
@@CheapRedBoyI had a much better experience with the AJ199 where the stock skates don't feel scratchy at all. I genuinely perform better with it than any of the top tier mice I've tried. Personally, I find it to be great- and for more than just the price. It's a damn good mouse.
@@PaneledPear Its a good mouse for sure. Dot skates fixed the scratchy skates. Its basically a shorter GPX which maintains a taller height at the middle hump which is what I like. I still recommend replacing the skates though.
For motion latency we use the same method as Haus and pzogel, which is by moving two mice together and observing the input differences using mousecomparator. We are currently working on designing a device which will make this test a much more controlled process. For click latency, we don’t have an LDAT or anything, so I have to just use aggressive bump testing (hitting two mice together in a "controlled" manner). Surprisingly through refining the process the bump testing results are usually within 0.1-0.3ms of results achieved by other testers. Hopefully one day NVIDIA sends us an LDAT tho.
For any kind of claw or palm grip at that handsize I'd probably recommend the M3 over the F1 Pro. For fingertip grip at that handsize I'd generally recommend the F1 Pro over the M3 unless you do a very very relaxed fingertip.
We actually just reached out to delux last night asking for a review unit! Looking forward to taking a look at that mouse. I'm a huge fan of the viper but the mini has always been just too small for me. It's been a hot min since I've used the m800 shape but I remeber it being a good in between of the the viper mini and the viper. I'm eager to revisit the shape with these updated and rather competitive specs
Hmmm so the f1 isn't bad for relaxed claw when both pinky and ring finger are forwards (I really dislike it for relaxed claw, pinky back. But Eric likes it for relaxed claw, pinky forwards). The haste is also a good option for both pinky forward and back relaxed claw. The biggest thing in my mind between with the two is the haste is going to give you a much wider and lower hump. While the f1 has a more narrow and higher hump. So the haste should give you more stability but that might come at the cost of some micro adjustability. Also the haste has a more harsh angled corner in the front corner of the mouse while the f1 has more of a bulbous rounded corner. If you don't grip at the very front corner of the mouse this dosnt effect you, but atleast in my grip I do. In terms of front flair, the haste dosnt have much of one so (assuming you arnt wrapping your finger around that front corner) it's more suited to pinching based grips rather than pushing/pulling, but with grip tape your able to get enough friction to not have to pinch too hard if u don't want to. Conversely that round front flair on the f1 makes it more suited to using those front fingers to either pull it into your palm or guide movement forwards by pushing against that front flair. (It's just simple physics, if u have a flat object, like a plank of wood, in order to move that forward, ud have to pinch it then pull forwards. But if that plank of wood had somthing sticking out u could just push forwards on the thing sticking out to move it forwards) This was a fairly technical and theoretical comparison which may or may not be entirly applicable to ur use case, and everyone has different preferences so it's hard to say which would be better for you, but I hope this way of looking at the two shapes helps you understand a bit more about what their differences actually mean to some extent. Let me know if you have any other questions or need me to clarify anything!
@@minemouse hmmmmm....also if I am buying the f1 should I get the base version its like 20 dollars cheap compared to the pro version and I don't really mind not using 4khz.If the f1 at 1000khz gives me low latency
I had not heard of that mouse before you brought it up, seems very well priced on Aliexpress. We may check it out at some point, but atm I'm not familiar with the quality of it.
SUCH an underated channel omfg. Every review i could find doesnt take into consideration double clicking or Minecraft performance while also including fps games, helped me out sooooo much
Thank you! We try and make our reviews applicable to both minecraft players and fps/other games.
@@minemouse well you certainly succeed +1 sub
Been maining this mouse for the last few months, I must say, it's great for the price, and probably competes with some of it's (much) more expensive counterparts.
Yup, I certainly is really premium for being just 50 bucks. Very very impressive
Honestly it’s good to see new lightweight budget mice being released more frequently, especially with updated tech like 4k polling
Just got the moba edition, it was good out of the box but amazing with esp tiger ice skates. Never touching my superlight again 👀
Actually it only cost $32 for Pro Max in mainland China. Quite a crazy price. The cheapest one F1 only cost $20.5.
Yeah prices for mice in China are crazy low. I imagine that's due to a combination of not dealing with international transportation and also the currency conversion.
I got my f1 moba version (included with 4k dongle and tiger skate) for $60, still waiting for it to arrive tho
A small fly photo bombed the video at 2.15 😄
That goddamn fly was the bane of my existence. Like holy shit dude why are hanging around on my desk, there literally isn't food here.
@@minemouse It was there only for a very short time and hard to spot. But funny all the same. And great review btw.
5:45 someone who died was trying to get back up lol
Lmfao
bro wtf
Had to do a little death dance
Waited for this 🙏
Wtf is that pinky grip you got holy jesus acrobatics
It seems a decent mouse, recently the Ajazz aj199 caught my attention, and i notice that has ajustable de-bounce time, it seems good for the price too. ¿What do you guys think?, Should i get it?
I have both the white AJ199 and F1 Moba version. The Dragonfly feels more premium and is lighter. Dragonfly has the better scroll-wheel and side buttons. Skates on both are bad. The AJ199 is scratchy, even after break-in. Dragonfly skates are good quality but very slow. I put Ghost Glides dots (3 on front, 4 on rear) on the Dragonfly and it's alot better. Both have adjustable debounce in the software. Be aware the Dragonfly f1 Pro Max and Moba use different software. The Moba version is in Chinese only. I used the Translate app on my iPhone to figure the software out. What I like better than both is AJ139 Pro. I have the black one. The mouse I keep going back to in my mouse rotation is the Ninjutso Sora. I have both the black and white versions. That's how much I like it.
@@CheapRedBoy Ok, thanks defenitly i'm going to try the Ajazz AJ139 pro, the space in the buttons it doesn't give me trust at all. But i come of Hyper X Pulsefire haste, so i thing i can get to easily
@@CheapRedBoycan i butterfly click or drag click on ajaaz aj199 or aj139 pro?
@@CheapRedBoyI had a much better experience with the AJ199 where the stock skates don't feel scratchy at all. I genuinely perform better with it than any of the top tier mice I've tried. Personally, I find it to be great- and for more than just the price. It's a damn good mouse.
@@PaneledPear Its a good mouse for sure. Dot skates fixed the scratchy skates. Its basically a shorter GPX which maintains a taller height at the middle hump which is what I like. I still recommend replacing the skates though.
Would u reckon it is better than the xm1r as mine is broken so should I consider getting this mouse
how do u get your latency test results?
cool shit
For motion latency we use the same method as Haus and pzogel, which is by moving two mice together and observing the input differences using mousecomparator. We are currently working on designing a device which will make this test a much more controlled process.
For click latency, we don’t have an LDAT or anything, so I have to just use aggressive bump testing (hitting two mice together in a "controlled" manner). Surprisingly through refining the process the bump testing results are usually within 0.1-0.3ms of results achieved by other testers. Hopefully one day NVIDIA sends us an LDAT tho.
Yeah basically just cool shit
Pls review the darmoshark m3s
We definitely want to check that mouse out!
is there data now on the 4k performance of the dragonfly f1?
We have not had the chance to test it, but TechPowerUp has a review going over it www.techpowerup.com/review/vgn-dragonfly-f1-pro-max/6.html
@@minemouse Thank you! yours is way more digestible btw but this is awesome nonetheless 😁
this or darmoshark m3 for 20x12 hands?
For any kind of claw or palm grip at that handsize I'd probably recommend the M3 over the F1 Pro. For fingertip grip at that handsize I'd generally recommend the F1 Pro over the M3 unless you do a very very relaxed fingertip.
thanks for the response bro @@minemouse
Wich shape do you recommend for a relaxed claw?
hey when the m800 ultra comes out will you consider it? heard its $59us without the 4k dongle.
We actually just reached out to delux last night asking for a review unit! Looking forward to taking a look at that mouse. I'm a huge fan of the viper but the mini has always been just too small for me. It's been a hot min since I've used the m800 shape but I remeber it being a good in between of the the viper mini and the viper. I'm eager to revisit the shape with these updated and rather competitive specs
@@minemouse oh great! cant wait for the review!
@@minemouse oh yeah. late but would like to see the lamzu thorn when it comes into your hands! 👍
what do you think about the batter performance?
How to set 0ms debounce on f1?
what is the best for competitive valorant F1 moba or Z1 pro?
Both would work very well, really just depends on your grip style and preferences. Preformance wise both should be more than capable
For a small hand and a relaxed claw grip, which would be better? F1 moba or Z1 pro? @@minemouse
Would you prefer this mouse over haste 2 for claw/palm hybrid i relax my palm in the back of hump mostly and arch my fingers
Where do u put ur pinky? Is it curled back or straighter and towards the front of the mouse?
It is towards the mouse yeah I also my pinky does not touch my mouse
Also I am planning to get the stock version since I don't use 4khz
Hmmm so the f1 isn't bad for relaxed claw when both pinky and ring finger are forwards (I really dislike it for relaxed claw, pinky back. But Eric likes it for relaxed claw, pinky forwards).
The haste is also a good option for both pinky forward and back relaxed claw. The biggest thing in my mind between with the two is the haste is going to give you a much wider and lower hump. While the f1 has a more narrow and higher hump. So the haste should give you more stability but that might come at the cost of some micro adjustability.
Also the haste has a more harsh angled corner in the front corner of the mouse while the f1 has more of a bulbous rounded corner. If you don't grip at the very front corner of the mouse this dosnt effect you, but atleast in my grip I do.
In terms of front flair, the haste dosnt have much of one so (assuming you arnt wrapping your finger around that front corner) it's more suited to pinching based grips rather than pushing/pulling, but with grip tape your able to get enough friction to not have to pinch too hard if u don't want to.
Conversely that round front flair on the f1 makes it more suited to using those front fingers to either pull it into your palm or guide movement forwards by pushing against that front flair. (It's just simple physics, if u have a flat object, like a plank of wood, in order to move that forward, ud have to pinch it then pull forwards. But if that plank of wood had somthing sticking out u could just push forwards on the thing sticking out to move it forwards)
This was a fairly technical and theoretical comparison which may or may not be entirly applicable to ur use case, and everyone has different preferences so it's hard to say which would be better for you, but I hope this way of looking at the two shapes helps you understand a bit more about what their differences actually mean to some extent. Let me know if you have any other questions or need me to clarify anything!
@@minemouse hmmmmm....also if I am buying the f1 should I get the base version its like 20 dollars cheap compared to the pro version and I don't really mind not using 4khz.If the f1 at 1000khz gives me low latency
Hey can u tell me if this mouse works with ps5??
Sorry neither of us have a ps5, I'm not sure.
0:10 labrobro ewic groom da nails or labranzo wil get ya
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Labranzo maybe you should try some fortnite
@@SkarrStrike lebrtcamnzo maybe u should get ur microphone
what about kysona m600?
I had not heard of that mouse before you brought it up, seems very well priced on Aliexpress. We may check it out at some point, but atm I'm not familiar with the quality of it.
@@minemouse okay,thank you for answer