I currently have a GPro Wireless that is on the brink of breaking. Got myself a Xtrfy M4 (wired) on sale to try out a different shape but the wire is a bit annoying to me, and my cats love to play with it. I'm quite enjoying both and don't mind trying a different shape. How would you compare it to the M4? I guess I have a relaxed claw grip with ~19 by 10cm hands
Thank you!! We try to go as in depth as possible to help people who watch the video understand as much as they can about the mouse without needing to buy it first!
Great video, I have a suggestion to cut your nails since you have ti show your hands and it might turn off some people from watching the video (no hate)
Thank you! I’d say these clicks are a bit heavier than Logitech Omrons and Huanos on Zowie mice, but a bit lighter than Huanos on other Lamzu mice, and significantly lighter than most Kailh switch implementations. Overall similar in weight to Razer Opticals as well as Omron 20Ms on Glorious mice, but have a nicer tactility and really good tensioning. I should probably add this into the video for the future lol
Thanks! And yes you should that would truly make your videos stand out. They are already one of the best in terms of condensing everything important into a short format.@@minemouse
I must say LOVE your style of review videos. You talk about pretty much every small detail with no unnecessary words and very clean graphics. I'm surprised you only have 1.4k, subscribers, if you continue like this I'm convinced hundreds of thousands people will subscribe to your channel, that quality is just insane
Iv never seen this mouse before! At 60-70 bucks it seems a little steep for what seems to be on par with the many $50 mechkeys mice, and is a bit heavier than some, but 62g is still a respectable weight. I'm willing to give it a try. I'll reach out to them and see about getting a review sample. Thanks for putting it on my radar!
Actually on closer inspection I'm 97% sure that's just a rebranded ajazz aj199. Which you can get for under $40 on newegg rn. It's probably a much better value just to get that. Here's a link to aim adapt's review on it: ruclips.net/video/yjiDeQNyF9k/видео.htmlsi=mj6Z_CMuQ2J95V8m
This review alone made my order the mouse. Great review. Very thorough and well made. Loved that you included the recommendations for different grip styles. Loved the straight to the point style. Other channels should learn from you guys. Great job! Can't wait to get my copy.
yeah I love the weight and the shape I think the only thing I don't like about it is the little ridge things that stick out on the outside edges of the buttons. they get in the way a bit for butterfly clicking, but by now I'm mostly used to it
That amount of jitter is actually comparable to other mice I’ve tested on 1K, such as the DAV3 wired and GPX 2. I should probably add a chart from a known stable mouse for comparison in the future.
Hello can you help me choosing a mouse please ? a tryied a mini atlantis but im not sure about size yet. Im wrist gamer, pincer claw or hybrid palm/fingertp ? 17/18x9 hands size (i have used razer abbysus, deathadder elite, xtrfy m42 and atlantis mini) shoud i stay with mini pro or thorn ? Thank you! i really like your videos, im very insecure picking a mouse i over analize
Hi there! I totally get the overanalyzing, I do that for everything XD. If you're are happy with your Atlantis Mini, I think you should stick with it as it is a great mouse. If you are not fully comfortable with the shape, I plugged your grips and hand size into this algorithm that we've been working on (devboi.pythonanywhere.com/results), and the Vaxee NP-01S is the top result, which I would definitely agree with.
I never really loved the dav, it felt too clunky for me. The thorn is so much more usable if not actually good for me I'm really impressed with it. It's certainly my favorite true ergo (not counting sutle ergos like the z1 pro)
Thank you! I am hoping to review the Delux M800 4K at some point, I'll just have to figure out how to get a unit as Delux kinda donowalled us lol. We will probably take a look at the X2V2 at some point, though the X2-H as we already have units on the way!
@@minemouse NOICE! the x2h should perform the same as the x2v2 so that's awesome to hear. shame about deluxe but at least it is on the radar so it is what it is lol
I really have no idea. AFAIK most white coatings do discolor, but I could be wrong, and also this is a fairly unique coating, so there's no real way to know how it holds up long term yet.
In terms of features, both mice are fantastic, with the Thorn maybe being very slightly better in that regard. However, what matters most is how well the shape of the mice works for you, as that is very subjective.
We asked egg for a unit over well over a month ago... we've been told I'll get back to you in 1/2 weeks like 4 times.... 😭 so honestly idk. We might just end up buying one at some point. But we have a lot of mice and other peripheral content lined up so idrk how soon the review will be
Super exited, ordered it to finally replace G Pro Wireless.. Pulsar XLite 2 Competition edition was a disappointment unfortunately and sold it. Nice review mate.
Heyyyy fam, absolutely loved the review. I currently use a viper ultimate and started palm gripping the mouse but my pinky is completely numb and I’ve got cubital tunnel syndrome thanks to it now due to the right side of the mouse not suiting my hand (17x8) would you recommend this mouse for me if i wanna palm grip it with 17x8 really small hands cause I don’t wanna face the same issue on this one😅
does it have on board memory? i just bought it for competition but couldnt see anything on that im sure its standard but im just double checking because i cant have softwares when competing
@@minemouse perfect that’s amazing thank you so much stoked to try it out been on an ergo mouse kick for a bit been running the deathadder v3 pro for competition and loved it but it’s broken it won’t update at all to the new drivers and rendered the 4K dongle useless :/
Hello. Can you help me with choosing the best mouse for me? I use relaxed claw grip while angling my mouse towards the left My handsize is ~ 19 x 11 cm
@@JanPaweuko well not necessarily. Some people prefer ergo mice for relaxed claw, and some prefer ambi. Ambi recommendations from me would probably be the Pulsar X2V2 and Vaxee XE Wireless.
It's honestly not at the top of our list. We have a lot of other mice/mousepad/keyboard content in the pipeline. I'm not going to say we're never going to review it. But you shouldn't expect a review of it any time soon, sorry!
Really hard choice. If it's a complete wash I'd narrow that down to the Sora and the x2h mini. I'd say those two have a bit better build than the hts+ (I haven't used the 4k but the classic had good build but not as good as some of these new mice) however if you end up thinking ull like the hts+ shape more it dosnt have bad build by anymeans so it would still be a good buy if somthing about it pushed it infront of those other mice for you
For mc double clicking its all about the debounce and not the type of switch. When switches break and double click uncontrollably that's the internal metal contacts of a mechanical switch breaking/degrading in some way. With mc "double clicks" it's the entire trigger of the mouse moving to actuate then deactuate the click rapidly. This can be done on mechanical and optical switches alike assuming the debouncing allows for such fast inputs to be registered
hi MineMouse love your videos I recently I saw a video of Diamondlobby reviews about a gaming mouse that has similar specs as an endgame mouse but costing only (30-50) dollars I was just wondering can you do a review on that mouse the Darmoshark m3 any model it doesn't matter And thank you for reading Hope you doing well
There is pretty much no bottom flexing on the Thorn, and no bottom creaking whatsoever. If you push really hard on some of the struts, they might flex a tiny bit, but they're still extremely solid.
The very thorough physical dimensions and comparisons are among the best I've ever seen in any review video. Massive props for that.
Thank you! I put a lot of work into editing this one, and I will keep doing more for future videos!
I currently have a GPro Wireless that is on the brink of breaking. Got myself a Xtrfy M4 (wired) on sale to try out a different shape but the wire is a bit annoying to me, and my cats love to play with it.
I'm quite enjoying both and don't mind trying a different shape. How would you compare it to the M4? I guess I have a relaxed claw grip with ~19 by 10cm hands
Incredible channel. I appreciate the amount of work you put into your videos. This is a great review of the Thorn. :)
Thank you, that really means a lot coming from you! Also you gotta teach us the ways of channel growth lol
omg aimadapt
Ngl this way of Dimension and comparison is way better then all other reviews i watched to far
Thank you!! We try to go as in depth as possible to help people who watch the video understand as much as they can about the mouse without needing to buy it first!
Great video, I have a suggestion to cut your nails since you have ti show your hands and it might turn off some people from watching the video (no hate)
Thank you! I would cut my nails, but it's easier for me to learn finger picking on Guitar this way lol.
Great review. When you say the mouse clicks are light, how light? Any comparisons?
Thank you! I’d say these clicks are a bit heavier than Logitech Omrons and Huanos on Zowie mice, but a bit lighter than Huanos on other Lamzu mice, and significantly lighter than most Kailh switch implementations. Overall similar in weight to Razer Opticals as well as Omron 20Ms on Glorious mice, but have a nicer tactility and really good tensioning.
I should probably add this into the video for the future lol
@@minemouse Gen 3 or 2 opticals
Closer to Gen 3 I'd say, though I've found Razer Opticals vary in click weight from mouse to mouse.
Thanks! And yes you should that would truly make your videos stand out. They are already one of the best in terms of condensing everything important into a short format.@@minemouse
I must say LOVE your style of review videos. You talk about pretty much every small detail with no unnecessary words and very clean graphics. I'm surprised you only have 1.4k, subscribers, if you continue like this I'm convinced hundreds of thousands people will subscribe to your channel, that quality is just insane
amazing review! i love how you recommend the grip styles can fit the mouse
great informative video! keep it coming!
Thank you! We'll be sure to keep on working!
a Very good video !
In a futur vid , you can test the Kraken AERO - Superlight Wireless ?
Iv never seen this mouse before! At 60-70 bucks it seems a little steep for what seems to be on par with the many $50 mechkeys mice, and is a bit heavier than some, but 62g is still a respectable weight. I'm willing to give it a try. I'll reach out to them and see about getting a review sample. Thanks for putting it on my radar!
Actually on closer inspection I'm 97% sure that's just a rebranded ajazz aj199. Which you can get for under $40 on newegg rn. It's probably a much better value just to get that. Here's a link to aim adapt's review on it: ruclips.net/video/yjiDeQNyF9k/видео.htmlsi=mj6Z_CMuQ2J95V8m
@@minemouse ok ty
Can't wait to get mine.. Ordered the Fnatic version!
Whats the LOD..? Is it adjustable..?
The LOD can be set to either 1 or 2 mm.
Just found your channel. Only watched a few videos so far, but I like it. Good work and keep it up! :)
Thank you for the support! We try our best to make informative videos!
This review alone made my order the mouse. Great review. Very thorough and well made. Loved that you included the recommendations for different grip styles. Loved the straight to the point style. Other channels should learn from you guys. Great job! Can't wait to get my copy.
still happy i got the ninjusto sora (you influenced that decision and ty btw)
Glad you like it! It's certainly a good mouse if the shape suits you.
yeah I love the weight and the shape I think the only thing I don't like about it is the little ridge things that stick out on the outside edges of the buttons. they get in the way a bit for butterfly clicking, but by now I'm mostly used to it
I really like that fnatic is coming out with their special edition that comes with the 4K dongle and the orange looks sick.
Yes little bit of creaking of mine as well other than that good build quality.
I've never heard of anyone being this detailed in mentioning the types of claws ngl
I thought I was a special snowflake lol
The polling stability looks off at 1k hz
That amount of jitter is actually comparable to other mice I’ve tested on 1K, such as the DAV3 wired and GPX 2.
I should probably add a chart from a known stable mouse for comparison in the future.
Great vid as always!
Thank you!
does lamzu thorn have on board memory?
Yes it does.
Compared to Vaxee mice like the outset ax, are the clicks as light and easy to spam? Are they bouncy enough? Can you compare them?
What happened to all those transphobic statements, Zy?
bro it is so cool that you play minecraft and csgo
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Hello can you help me choosing a mouse please ? a tryied a mini atlantis but im not sure about size yet. Im wrist gamer, pincer claw or hybrid palm/fingertp ? 17/18x9 hands size (i have used razer abbysus, deathadder elite, xtrfy m42 and atlantis mini) shoud i stay with mini pro or thorn ? Thank you! i really like your videos, im very insecure picking a mouse i over analize
Hi there! I totally get the overanalyzing, I do that for everything XD. If you're are happy with your Atlantis Mini, I think you should stick with it as it is a great mouse.
If you are not fully comfortable with the shape, I plugged your grips and hand size into this algorithm that we've been working on (devboi.pythonanywhere.com/results), and the Vaxee NP-01S is the top result, which I would definitely agree with.
this mouse is goated, the shape is perfect
Lamzu has just knocked it out of the park with all of their releases so far. I'm very interested to see how the Lamzu Maya turns out!
lamzu maya release date ?
as a lover of the dav3 with 19 x 10cm hands i fell like the thorn is a way more comfortable mouse and love it so far! the coating is also amazing!
I never really loved the dav, it felt too clunky for me. The thorn is so much more usable if not actually good for me I'm really impressed with it. It's certainly my favorite true ergo (not counting sutle ergos like the z1 pro)
well done review! will you review the delux m800ultra 4k and pulsar x2v2 mice?
Thank you! I am hoping to review the Delux M800 4K at some point, I'll just have to figure out how to get a unit as Delux kinda donowalled us lol. We will probably take a look at the X2V2 at some point, though the X2-H as we already have units on the way!
@@minemouse NOICE! the x2h should perform the same as the x2v2 so that's awesome to hear. shame about deluxe but at least it is on the radar so it is what it is lol
Do u think the coating on the white color will discolor and become yellowish overtime? If yes i will get the black one….
I really have no idea. AFAIK most white coatings do discolor, but I could be wrong, and also this is a fairly unique coating, so there's no real way to know how it holds up long term yet.
In terms of comparing the Atlantis 4k to the thorn which one is better?
In terms of features, both mice are fantastic, with the Thorn maybe being very slightly better in that regard. However, what matters most is how well the shape of the mice works for you, as that is very subjective.
yall gonna do the op1we?
We asked egg for a unit over well over a month ago... we've been told I'll get back to you in 1/2 weeks like 4 times.... 😭 so honestly idk. We might just end up buying one at some point. But we have a lot of mice and other peripheral content lined up so idrk how soon the review will be
Super exited, ordered it to finally replace G Pro Wireless.. Pulsar XLite 2 Competition edition was a disappointment unfortunately and sold it.
Nice review mate.
what is that tracking trainging you are doing at 5:25? What im doing is really similar but that goes around the whole map
That is Strafetrack Ultimate
@@minemouse Thank you very much! I forgot to mention my previous comment that the video is great, nicely detailed and informative!
Heyyyy fam, absolutely loved the review. I currently use a viper ultimate and started palm gripping the mouse but my pinky is completely numb and I’ve got cubital tunnel syndrome thanks to it now due to the right side of the mouse not suiting my hand (17x8) would you recommend this mouse for me if i wanna palm grip it with 17x8 really small hands cause I don’t wanna face the same issue on this one😅
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does it have on board memory? i just bought it for competition but couldnt see anything on that im sure its standard but im just double checking because i cant have softwares when competing
Yes it does, as long as you set it up with the software it will save those parameters on board and no longer need software
@@minemouse perfect that’s amazing thank you so much stoked to try it out been on an ergo mouse kick for a bit been running the deathadder v3 pro for competition and loved it but it’s broken it won’t update at all to the new drivers and rendered the 4K dongle useless :/
Hello. Can you help me with choosing the best mouse for me?
I use relaxed claw grip while angling my mouse towards the left
My handsize is ~ 19 x 11 cm
My top 3 recommendations for your grip style and hand size would probably be the Lamzu Thorn, Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, and Vaxee Zygen NP-01S.
@@minemouse Huh no ambi mouse? So ergo would be better for my grip, yeah?
@@JanPaweuko well not necessarily. Some people prefer ergo mice for relaxed claw, and some prefer ambi. Ambi recommendations from me would probably be the Pulsar X2V2 and Vaxee XE Wireless.
After some time using Thorn I feel some pain on my right side of palm. Considering thorn shape what mouse will fix this problem for me?@@minemouse
Hi, any plan on reviewing razer cobra?
It's honestly not at the top of our list. We have a lot of other mice/mousepad/keyboard content in the pipeline. I'm not going to say we're never going to review it. But you shouldn't expect a review of it any time soon, sorry!
Best review!) thank you!
Torn between this, sora 4k, hts plus 4k or x2h mini, I know they are different.
Really hard choice. If it's a complete wash I'd narrow that down to the Sora and the x2h mini. I'd say those two have a bit better build than the hts+ (I haven't used the 4k but the classic had good build but not as good as some of these new mice) however if you end up thinking ull like the hts+ shape more it dosnt have bad build by anymeans so it would still be a good buy if somthing about it pushed it infront of those other mice for you
labranzo nice video. i liked the part where u talked about the mouse! Love you, Ben!
Thank you Ben, it really means a lot coming from you! Love you, Devin!
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Isnt that optical switches? How do you butterfly works on it?
For mc double clicking its all about the debounce and not the type of switch. When switches break and double click uncontrollably that's the internal metal contacts of a mechanical switch breaking/degrading in some way. With mc "double clicks" it's the entire trigger of the mouse moving to actuate then deactuate the click rapidly. This can be done on mechanical and optical switches alike assuming the debouncing allows for such fast inputs to be registered
Subbed, detailed review. 5/5
hi MineMouse love your videos
I recently I saw a video of Diamondlobby reviews about a gaming mouse that has similar specs as an endgame mouse but costing only (30-50) dollars I was just wondering can you do a review on that mouse the Darmoshark m3 any model it doesn't matter
And thank you for reading Hope you doing well
We have a video of the m3s in the works right now!
@@minemouse sweet
Is there any botton flexing and creaking at thorn?
There is pretty much no bottom flexing on the Thorn, and no bottom creaking whatsoever. If you push really hard on some of the struts, they might flex a tiny bit, but they're still extremely solid.
@@minemouse thx!