I definitely agree that the Tudors are not too thick, but the "slab sided" comments are made about the older Black Bay cases. The new Monochrome and the Burgundy share the same slimmer case and most agree it is an improvement. I wear a lot of thick watches where the bulk is noticeable while wearing, but my "slab sided" BB Pepsi GMT is so comfortable I never think about how thick it is. When I look down at it I can't help think how good it looks. I have the Burgundy 41 as well.
Yeah I have some thick boys in the collection as well, my Fifty Fathoms and my Pelagos don’t wear or feel as thick as they are on paper but when I point out the dimensions it’s just slightly smaller than the Sub. Just weird seeing so many comments about it being a huge watch and it’s really not. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
while i dont think this watch is too thick, what irks me is that they've crammed a movement with a gmt and date function into a 12.8mm case. that means they already have the tech to insert a time only metas movement into the bb58's 11.8mm case. will be waiting for a bb58 monochrome, even though this 41mm case fits me nicely.
There is no challenge to getting a slimmer case, even cheap Sub copies do it. They are clearly handicapping Tudor to give big brother Submariner some objective wins.
I feel Rolex has become a shell of itself. When I bought my first 16610 in the early 2000s they were a tool to wear and enjoy as you beat it up and it went on its journey through life with you. Tudor has now filled that space with Rolex becoming a sterile watch flipper / flex piece devoid of soul and personality. Just my opinion
From someone who daily’s a BB Pro, this obsession on Tudor case size is overblown and played out. Now my only dilemma is whether or not to keep my Pelagos 39 or get rid of it. Because I have to have the Monochrome, and I worry it’s too similar to the Pelagos 39. Two modern-styled Tudor dive watches may be too much for one collection.
I definitely agree with you, the obsession is out of hand. I would say the Pelly and this one would compete for wrist time. But try it on and decide from there, they are still two quite different watches.
I wore a Sub 16610 for 15 years, wear a 2021 Planet Ocean, a 2008 Planet Ocean, a Black Bay Steel 41, and a 36mm Tudor Submariner… What was the question again?! Size, honestly?
Haha, exactly. I have sizes ranging from my Fifty Fathoms (45mm) to my 1968 Seiko Weekdater (35mm). I guess its safe to say that it comes down to personal preference and that the heart wants what the heart wants!
Thank you so much ! I'm so fed up with those who say it's too thick. Obviously, they don't own the watch and seem unable to realize what a domed crystal is.
Yes, this video is specifically for them! And for those who listen to that opinion and then have doubts about this watch and its actual sizing and how it wears. Thanks for checking out the vid! 😎👍🍻
Thank you, I think you're the first person to actually point out DIAL SIZE vs just case size. The dial real estate is what matters, so many watches have wide bezels that make the watch dial smaller than most non dive 38-39mm watches.
I personally only care about the case side thickness (and the case back if it raises the watch annoyingly). Dont care much about the crystal thickness as it does not make me feel the watch is chunkier or top heavy. But Tudor watches in general are all to thick. Heck my hunky Tag Aquaracer w/ETA is only 12mm. These are thick as chronographs and most dont even have a date.
The dial to bezel proportions are sooo good on the new BB41s, made me realize that’s what I did not like about the BB58. I think the dial size is similar between them actually?
"Too big" if you have dainty small wrists. Size is proportional, as is the size of the watch to the arm wearing it. If you have a sub 7 inch wrist and you are complaining that a watch is too big... That sounds like a problem with your wrist... Not the watch.
But isn't the sapphire crystal boxed so the movement could be raised and sit higher in the case? So you couldn't use a flat sapphire crystal if you wanted to.
Interesting, I will have to look at the watch under macro/loupe and see if that’s the case. It makes sense that would be a legitimate reason for the boxed crystal
@@DavidSchwartzjr I'd like to hear your thoughts when you do! Also, if it is true then the design still works because it would provide the "illusion" of thinness. So many watches wear different than their specs say. This watch is a great example.
@@jwags24 yes, I did take a look under a loupe and the seconds hand does sit very high, so that slight domed crystal provides clearance without any issues. Thanks for letting me know, I had not seen that discussed in other videos that I had watched prior to your comment. Cheers! 😎👍🍻
Congratulations!! 🎉 This watch looks great on you! I have the original BB GMT and this new case looks much more refined, not too thick with much desired improvements. A top-notch release!
Thanks Cyrille! I didn't know you had picked up a BB GMT, congrats to you as well! I know that the GMT is going to be a classic going into the future! Cheers! 😎👍🍻
Do you think the blue will be updated to MT-5602-U just like this or red? It seems like the blue and green are the ones without the new Metas movement and thicker than the rest at 14.7 mm vs 13.6 and 22mm bracelet vs 21?
Last year, I was positively receptive of the new BB41 burgundy master chronometer. The case lost some much needed weight. The crown became more refined. The movement was upgraded. Overall, it’s a beast of a watch, and if I could swing watches over 40mm - something I know I can’t do from experience - I would have got the watch. You made some valid points in defense of the new BB41s. Kudos 👏
Man, sorry to hear that the 40mm limit is a deal breaker, and I know lug height is a bit concern for some wrist sizes too. But I definitely believe you, if it wasn’t going to work out it’s not worth having buyers remorse over it. I’m pretty sure a 38/39mm will be in the works with this movement and similar specs! Thanks for checking out my vid! 😎🙌
Really helpful video! The watch looks great and thickness complaints have been indeed greatly exaggerated. Crazy how much the dome sapphire actually adds to the dimensions.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the vid. Yes, I think people judge a lot of watches and other objects by details on paper and no in actual real world experience. Cheers! 😎👍🍻
One thing (at least in my mind( that tudor does better here, is the integration of the bracelet to the case. Rolex difference in width from the case to the bracelet almost seems like a design flaw for me, and the hirns feel very thick design wise.
Excellent presentation. Yes, i agree with you. I love the monochrome, but I'm going for 58 GMT, i have the blue 58 which i still love but i need a GMT.
Yeah it's not too big for sure, just preference. I do agree with the haters to some degree though, the slab side design of Tudor cases really make for a visual thickness that you either like or you don't. I am a happy bb58 owner, but the slab sides are not my favourite feature.
Good content. The Sub wears smaller and the lug to lug helps that too. I have both and wouldn't say they are the same size. Variances are more in the colours, bracelet and bezel materials so choose whatever works for you looks wise. Pelegos isn't that far away either, just titanium makes it wear very well.
great videos. I one compares it to what they could easily make, then it is too thick. Why is the Pelages 39 or the Submariner or the FXD, 54, 58 thinner ? Some even criticise the bb58 got with 12,8 as too thick. And the watch is just 40mm wide, it would have enough wrist presence if it was 12mm high.
The only people wanting tiny watches are the watch collectors. The general public doesn’t want sub-40mm watches. Even Rolex realizes this. Go ask dealers what most of their customers are buying. It’s not 37mm watches.
You tube reviewers are obsessed with Tudor thickness and sizes they only view their own small wrist size and forget to mention so many people out there with 7 or greater wrist size. I am not dropping 6k on less than 40 mm watch no matter what reviewers say.
2. Problems: 1) most yourube reviewers seem to have tiny size wrists , bet their manhood will look massive , literally those kids watches with mickey mouse hands going round the dial will too big on them. 2) they go on diameter the worst least helpful of all measurements ( thickness, shape and lug to lug is better) on a watch. The amount of times ive heard people say the 41mm DJ or explorer is too big you need the 36. My DJ wears smallwr than almost all my 40mm watches.
I'm not sure when the " I wish all men's watches were sized like my dear nana's watches back in the 1930s " but damn let's get passed this oddity in time. When did grown men become enamored with boy sized watches?
Haha, you're probably right! I honestly think people just hate and want to talk things down that they have no interest in getting. The internet is a weird place lol. I think this watch is sized great. Thanks for checking it out Brian! 😎👍🍻
41 mm on the Tudor BB is the perfect size if you're a man. People keep talking about 37 mm - 39 mm as vintage and being classy. To me it looks too feminine. In fact, those sizes make the watch look like their for children.......
It’s not about wrist size. It’s about looking good. And all the best looking watches ever made are 40 or smaller : Paul Newman Daytonas are 35mm, 1016s are 36, PP 3445s are 35, Nautilus is 40, Aquanaut is 40, etc. Panerais are ugly, Richard Milles are ugly, etc. You get it ?
Are you trying to convince yourself that it is mot too big? Imo this watch is too big. FOR ME! For some people it is just on spot, for others it is like a plate on the wrist. Right?
No, I wear my Blancpain Fifty Fathoms just fine, and even that big boy is not TOO big for me. I made this video for people saying its too big and especially for thinking its too thick. I don't want those opinions changing views of people interested in the watch, so I've provided real measurements and comparisons. I'm just a watch guy trying to help out other watch guys. I also realize that the haters were never going to be interested in this piece regardless of size.
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ? nkuwan por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
The new Tudor monochrome is really expensive for a homage. There are cheaper quality homages out there that are great quality for around £1000. Unless you want the poor mans Rolex branding. Save yourself some money, get the same vibe from a Certina, then save up for the real thing. 14060m has the same vibe for not much more money than this Tudor.
Not sure i agree with your advice. I predict this watch in years to come will actually increase in value as Rolex becomes even more ultra premium and hard to attain due to their ridiculous manipulation of the market
@@spursblood1I don't know about that. Tudor makes TOO MANY BLACK BAYS. To the point they will never increase in value simply because theres too many of them.
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I definitely agree that the Tudors are not too thick, but the "slab sided" comments are made about the older Black Bay cases. The new Monochrome and the Burgundy share the same slimmer case and most agree it is an improvement. I wear a lot of thick watches where the bulk is noticeable while wearing, but my "slab sided" BB Pepsi GMT is so comfortable I never think about how thick it is. When I look down at it I can't help think how good it looks. I have the Burgundy 41 as well.
Yeah I have some thick boys in the collection as well, my Fifty Fathoms and my Pelagos don’t wear or feel as thick as they are on paper but when I point out the dimensions it’s just slightly smaller than the Sub. Just weird seeing so many comments about it being a huge watch and it’s really not. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
This is the bb I’ve been waiting for. No rivet bracelet, no crown tube thingy, no gilt.
I think Tudor knocked this one out of the park. I love the Monochrome design aesthetic.
while i dont think this watch is too thick, what irks me is that they've crammed a movement with a gmt and date function into a 12.8mm case. that means they already have the tech to insert a time only metas movement into the bb58's 11.8mm case.
will be waiting for a bb58 monochrome, even though this 41mm case fits me nicely.
There is no challenge to getting a slimmer case, even cheap Sub copies do it. They are clearly handicapping Tudor to give big brother Submariner some objective wins.
I feel Rolex has become a shell of itself. When I bought my first 16610 in the early 2000s they were a tool to wear and enjoy as you beat it up and it went on its journey through life with you.
Tudor has now filled that space with Rolex becoming a sterile watch flipper / flex piece devoid of soul and personality. Just my opinion
From someone who daily’s a BB Pro, this obsession on Tudor case size is overblown and played out. Now my only dilemma is whether or not to keep my Pelagos 39 or get rid of it. Because I have to have the Monochrome, and I worry it’s too similar to the Pelagos 39. Two modern-styled Tudor dive watches may be too much for one collection.
Which do you prefer?
I’d need to see the monochrome in person, but I’m leaning its way, especially on the jubilee. The P39 is very nice, too.
I definitely agree with you, the obsession is out of hand. I would say the Pelly and this one would compete for wrist time. But try it on and decide from there, they are still two quite different watches.
I wore a Sub 16610 for 15 years, wear a 2021 Planet Ocean, a 2008 Planet Ocean, a Black Bay Steel 41, and a 36mm Tudor Submariner…
What was the question again?! Size, honestly?
Haha, exactly. I have sizes ranging from my Fifty Fathoms (45mm) to my 1968 Seiko Weekdater (35mm). I guess its safe to say that it comes down to personal preference and that the heart wants what the heart wants!
Disproportionate case designs - TUDOR
Thank you so much ! I'm so fed up with those who say it's too thick. Obviously, they don't own the watch and seem unable to realize what a domed crystal is.
Yes, this video is specifically for them! And for those who listen to that opinion and then have doubts about this watch and its actual sizing and how it wears. Thanks for checking out the vid! 😎👍🍻
Yeah...but this is time only watch. No reason to be this thick. Could be 11.5 with domed cristal.
Good point, as you can see with my BB41 Heritage, that is also a no date model and has a flat crystal.
My final watch. Or will be my 6th Tudor.
It’s a great way to round out any collection imho. 😎👍
Thank you, I think you're the first person to actually point out DIAL SIZE vs just case size. The dial real estate is what matters, so many watches have wide bezels that make the watch dial smaller than most non dive 38-39mm watches.
I personally only care about the case side thickness (and the case back if it raises the watch annoyingly).
Dont care much about the crystal thickness as it does not make me feel the watch is chunkier or top heavy.
But Tudor watches in general are all to thick. Heck my hunky Tag Aquaracer w/ETA is only 12mm. These are thick as chronographs and most dont even have a date.
I suppose it’s a preference thing, and I’m biased on thickness because my Fifty Fathoms is 15.5mm thick and it wears fine on my wrist 😅
Too big? It’s perfect.
Same sentiments
It’s perfect for a man wrist I don’t understand why man are looking for watches of 38 mm
@@yasjehdoolaur7682 agreed
@@yasjehdoolaur7682 38mm looks like a button on the wrist
Haha, I have to agree with y'all. Fits perfectly on my wrist and I'm sure it will wear just fine on 80% of the other wrists out there! 😎👍🍻
The dial to bezel proportions are sooo good on the new BB41s, made me realize that’s what I did not like about the BB58.
I think the dial size is similar between them actually?
Congrats on the new Tudor BB41. It looks awesome
Thank you, Sixto! 🙌
"Too big" if you have dainty small wrists. Size is proportional, as is the size of the watch to the arm wearing it. If you have a sub 7 inch wrist and you are complaining that a watch is too big... That sounds like a problem with your wrist... Not the watch.
But isn't the sapphire crystal boxed so the movement could be raised and sit higher in the case? So you couldn't use a flat sapphire crystal if you wanted to.
Interesting, I will have to look at the watch under macro/loupe and see if that’s the case. It makes sense that would be a legitimate reason for the boxed crystal
@@DavidSchwartzjr I'd like to hear your thoughts when you do! Also, if it is true then the design still works because it would provide the "illusion" of thinness. So many watches wear different than their specs say. This watch is a great example.
Yes. This was discussed by a number of people, including Tudor staff at Watches and Wonders.
@@jwags24 yes, I did take a look under a loupe and the seconds hand does sit very high, so that slight domed crystal provides clearance without any issues. Thanks for letting me know, I had not seen that discussed in other videos that I had watched prior to your comment. Cheers! 😎👍🍻
Congratulations!! 🎉 This watch looks great on you! I have the original BB GMT and this new case looks much more refined, not too thick with much desired improvements. A top-notch release!
Thanks Cyrille! I didn't know you had picked up a BB GMT, congrats to you as well! I know that the GMT is going to be a classic going into the future! Cheers! 😎👍🍻
@@DavidSchwartzjr Thanks, David! ✌️ Yeah, I evolved a bit since the early days of the AP RO Homage by Feice 😜 Cheers 🍻👍🏾
@@cyrillec4999 Haha, its been quite a journey from the homage days, right?! 😉
Do you think the blue will be updated to MT-5602-U just like this or red? It seems like the blue and green are the ones without the new Metas movement and thicker than the rest at 14.7 mm vs 13.6 and 22mm bracelet vs 21?
Last year, I was positively receptive of the new BB41 burgundy master chronometer. The case lost some much needed weight. The crown became more refined. The movement was upgraded. Overall, it’s a beast of a watch, and if I could swing watches over 40mm - something I know I can’t do from experience - I would have got the watch.
You made some valid points in defense of the new BB41s. Kudos 👏
Man, sorry to hear that the 40mm limit is a deal breaker, and I know lug height is a bit concern for some wrist sizes too. But I definitely believe you, if it wasn’t going to work out it’s not worth having buyers remorse over it. I’m pretty sure a 38/39mm will be in the works with this movement and similar specs! Thanks for checking out my vid! 😎🙌
Really helpful video! The watch looks great and thickness complaints have been indeed greatly exaggerated. Crazy how much the dome sapphire actually adds to the dimensions.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the vid. Yes, I think people judge a lot of watches and other objects by details on paper and no in actual real world experience. Cheers! 😎👍🍻
I think 49 lug to lug is hard to pull off for most wrist sizes. The rest of the dimensions are down to preference imo.
I like this one the most out of all the other models released this year. Fantastic watch.
One thing (at least in my mind( that tudor does better here, is the integration of the bracelet to the case. Rolex difference in width from the case to the bracelet almost seems like a design flaw for me, and the hirns feel very thick design wise.
I'd go for Tudor all day long, no matter what model 😎👍
They are really stepping up their game! And even their older models and vintage stuff is totally worth it imho. Cheers Trip! 😎👍🍻
Excellent presentation. Yes, i agree with you. I love the monochrome, but I'm going for 58 GMT, i have the blue 58 which i still love but i need a GMT.
Yeah it's not too big for sure, just preference. I do agree with the haters to some degree though, the slab side design of Tudor cases really make for a visual thickness that you either like or you don't. I am a happy bb58 owner, but the slab sides are not my favourite feature.
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Good content.
The Sub wears smaller and the lug to lug helps that too. I have both and wouldn't say they are the same size.
Variances are more in the colours, bracelet and bezel materials so choose whatever works for you looks wise.
Pelegos isn't that far away either, just titanium makes it wear very well.
Agreed ....14mm is still too thick.
Totaly agree... just sell my 41 burgundy for the bb58 ...😅
great videos. I one compares it to what they could easily make, then it is too thick. Why is the Pelages 39 or the Submariner or the FXD, 54, 58 thinner ? Some even criticise the bb58 got with 12,8 as too thick. And the watch is just 40mm wide, it would have enough wrist presence if it was 12mm high.
The only people wanting tiny watches are the watch collectors. The general public doesn’t want sub-40mm watches. Even Rolex realizes this. Go ask dealers what most of their customers are buying. It’s not 37mm watches.
You tube reviewers are obsessed with Tudor thickness and sizes they only view their own small wrist size and forget to mention so many people out there with 7 or greater wrist size. I am not dropping 6k on less than 40 mm watch no matter what reviewers say.
But for sure does it look too big/thick and that's what matters. Regardless of actual dimensions.
This watch is too small. The lug to lug needs to hit 50 and the case should be a true 41.
lol, thanks for the chuckle 😂
2. Problems: 1) most yourube reviewers seem to have tiny size wrists , bet their manhood will look massive , literally those kids watches with mickey mouse hands going round the dial will too big on them. 2) they go on diameter the worst least helpful of all measurements ( thickness, shape and lug to lug is better) on a watch. The amount of times ive heard people say the 41mm DJ or explorer is too big you need the 36. My DJ wears smallwr than almost all my 40mm watches.
I'm not sure when the " I wish all men's watches were sized like my dear nana's watches back in the 1930s " but damn let's get passed this oddity in time.
When did grown men become enamored with boy sized watches?
they look tiny man, im not sure what the ones complaining about are talking about, maybe they have baby wrists.
Haha, you're probably right! I honestly think people just hate and want to talk things down that they have no interest in getting. The internet is a weird place lol. I think this watch is sized great. Thanks for checking it out Brian! 😎👍🍻
Grown men have become obsessed with boy sized watches.
The Pelagos is the only Tudor for me
It’s truly a great watch! 😎👍
Had the bb 41 heritage, it was way too thick and took up too much space on my wrist (7 3/4")
Dimensions are perfect .
Nit pickers always find a reason to dislike. I own all three , perfectly fine
I 💯 agree!
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Dam fine looking watches! I’ll
Have a Tudor someday.
Thanks brother! I can’t wait to see it on your wrist!! 😎🙌
@@DavidSchwartzjr you will be waiting a while lol
Youre blessed you got such a watch.
Thank you! I definitely feel blessed and I will hand this one down when my time comes, I think it will be appreciated for a long time. Cheers! 😎👍🍻
A thin diver at this price point is kind of sus.
Good content but audio mix a bit too low
Noted, thanks for the feedback 👍
Great video 👏
Thanks man! 🫡 #tudorbros 🙌
41 mm on the Tudor BB is the perfect size if you're a man. People keep talking about 37 mm - 39 mm as vintage and being classy. To me it looks too feminine. In fact, those sizes make the watch look like their for children.......
What is your wrist size sir?
It’s not about wrist size. It’s about looking good. And all the best looking watches ever made are 40 or smaller : Paul Newman Daytonas are 35mm, 1016s are 36, PP 3445s are 35, Nautilus is 40, Aquanaut is 40, etc.
Panerais are ugly, Richard Milles are ugly, etc. You get it ?
7.25” 👍
@@vab120bit subjective that mate 😂
Im getting this watch
Nitpicking about a 5000 dollar watch, you must have a carefree life🤨
Too big? Try my Planet Ocean 8900 or Pelagos come to that! Get a wrist 🙄
Haha I’m with you! Hell, rock a fifty fathoms, now that’s a chunky boy!
Well explained 👏👏👏
Glad you enjoyed the vid! 😎🙌
I want it in 39mm 😢
The website says 13.6 mm on the thickness. They’re pretty off since you measured it at 13.2
Yeah, my calipers were definitely zeroed out so maybe I’m a lucky one with .4mm less height lol 😅
@@DavidSchwartzjr Lol you might be lucky then. I just measured my Burgundy Metas and its exactly 13.6mm
I just got one, it isn't big at all.
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Just another example of the skinny wrist complainers having a sook. 😂
Tudor cases are slabby so they wear large compared to others.
Are you trying to convince yourself that it is mot too big? Imo this watch is too big. FOR ME! For some people it is just on spot, for others it is like a plate on the wrist. Right?
No, I wear my Blancpain Fifty Fathoms just fine, and even that big boy is not TOO big for me. I made this video for people saying its too big and especially for thinking its too thick. I don't want those opinions changing views of people interested in the watch, so I've provided real measurements and comparisons. I'm just a watch guy trying to help out other watch guys. I also realize that the haters were never going to be interested in this piece regardless of size.
Definitely not to big.
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ? nkuwan por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
The new Tudor monochrome is really expensive for a homage. There are cheaper quality homages out there that are great quality for around £1000. Unless you want the poor mans Rolex branding. Save yourself some money, get the same vibe from a Certina, then save up for the real thing. 14060m has the same vibe for not much more money than this Tudor.
Not sure i agree with your advice. I predict this watch in years to come will actually increase in value as Rolex becomes even more ultra premium and hard to attain due to their ridiculous manipulation of the market
😂 good one
@@spursblood1I don't know about that. Tudor makes TOO MANY BLACK BAYS. To the point they will never increase in value simply because theres too many of them.
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Tudors are supposed to be big because they are for men.
Too thick..nonsens. And why is thin better? This Tudor I take hands down every day above the 🥱 Rolex
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Great video