Thank you for this video! When cranking my camper wasn't clicking and was afraid to raise it all the way up as there seemed to be lots of tension. After watching this video I decided to continue raising it until the roof was fully up....and was able to turn the crank about 3 or 4 more times which tightened everything up. Now it clicks and locks. Thanks again!!
Excellent video. It helped me out of "no click" on raising roof on my '06 Sea Pine. I thought I broke something in the crank assembly when I accidently had the drill I use to raise the roof in reverse when trying to raise. No clicking and slow fall down after that mistake. I was getting ready to take the crank assy apart (ugh) when I found this video. I took your advice and raised it all the way up. Then I kept turning the crank and sure enough I got two or more turns and it worked fine after that. Reset! Great stuff. I subscribed.
Great video! My wife ripped the wall previously so I didn't want to over extend it, so I put a nail through the chain and held the other side with vice grips and tightened everything up. It worked perfectly except after I popped it up the inside was full of mice.
Consider a product like fresh cab to deter mice. Here’s a link to this product on our website. colemanpopupparts.com/products/fresh-cab-rodent-repellent
@@popupcamperpro thanks! I wasn't even expecting a solution, but that sounds perfect for us. We just bought a new trailer today and I'm for sure getting some.
My no click was caused by the back stop for the far end of the wiffle tree rod being bent away from the handle area. This allowed the whole assembly to shift away from the click pawl, and it would slip the gear away from the area that the click pawl could reach. A strategically placed washer near the large bearing in the wiffle tree assembly prevents the whole assembly from being allowed to shift forward towards the front of the trailer.
My Cheyenne model is experiencing the same thing. No clicking and no compression, currently stuck in the closed position. The 5/8" nut is rounded off, I'll have to go to your Plan B and take off the Drive Shaft.
Hi there. Thanks for the great informative videos. I have another problem now. The roof lifts...but it doesn't go down with the crank. I'm able to lower it by removing the pin and using a 5/8 socket on a ratchet. I removed the drive extension to inspect it. It's very greasy inside. Should it be? Also, it only has 2 (bent) washers. No spring or nylon spacer. Why wouldn't it have these parts inside the drive extension to begin with? It seemed to have worked all these years without them.
No sooner after leaving the comment....I did find the nylon spacer and the spring in the tube. The nylon spacer was stuck inside and had to hammer it out with the help of a flathead screwdriver. The spring is all deteriorated and fell apart into pieces!
Hello Eric! I recommend to check the threads inside the tube, and on the drive shaft. The inside parts such as the spacer and spring work as thread limiters. The drive hubs can sometimes work without them, but it can chew the threads up.
Thanks so much! Got it off with a impact driver. Do you know why my crank system when cranking down sometimes “slips” and the roof falls a couple inches? While trying to crank the roof down it goes between the crank handle having control of cranking it down and then slipping and the crank handle does nothing and the roof drops a little. If I apply pressure to the crank handle however, then the issue doesn’t happen and I have control cranking it down. Hope that makes sense.
Great video. Learning so much from all your videos as I try to learn about pop up campers. Have a question that I believe is related to this video; however, I have not found my exact symptoms mentioned anywhere. The camper is a 2006 Fleetwood Evolution that cranks up, stays in place anywhere between fully up or down and also cranks down, but there is no "clicking" while cranking. Seems to work completely fine and doesn't drop down under it's own weight but the clicking is completely absent. I have not had a chance as of yet to begin disassembly and diving deeper in. Any preliminary ideas on what the cause may be? Is it safe to use as is for the time being? Thanks so much.
Thank you for this as i just relived this problem today. Question...I've got a 2006 Fleetwood Niagara and when i try loosing the nut it just spins and doesn't want to come off...any suggestions? Thanks again.
Elizabeth Cooke that is correct. After the panel is off, remove the chain at the master link first. Then using a hammer and punch, remove the pin in the chain drive gear. This will allow the assembly to come apart.
I've watched this video a couple different times. I think my 95 Coleman is missing half this parts but still able to crank up and down. Can I still get all new parts for that year
Erin, I do not recommend at this point using a different length tube. Recent discoveries about these systems will lead me to recommend that you stick with the same length.
ok out camping get to site with my 99 sea pine go to crank it and it just spins. can I cheat this to go up or am I losing out on $500. still here just sleepng tonight in back of the suburban with wife and kids. I have lots of tools. so any help will be great. i could get it down like everyone else has problems doing but mine is gettin it to go up.
Sounds like the drive hub may be bad. Remove it, and manually manipulate the drive shaft if you have the proper tools with you. You will likely need some people helping to lift the roof at each corner through this processes. Have some type of supports ready to brace the roof. 2X4 lumber is recommended cut to size to fit between the roof and the deck.
This is called binding. It can be caused by a few situations. A common one is debris in the whiffle tree pan cover. Try here first. If this is not it, please take a look at the lift system repair manual available on our website for more issues that cause binding, or give me a call at the shop.
I have a 2000 Coleman Fleetwood Niagara, crank goes into the bumper. I can turn it fine and it will open fine, but if I let go of the crank handle, it spins backwards, closing the trailer. How would I fix this?
I just rescued this pop up from a field and this is all new to me, so I am learning as I go. Is there a video that maybe I missed that I should watch so I know what I am looking for?
@@popupcamperpro, I scrolled through the videos, but did not find one for remove of the Lower Crank Assembly Rebuild Kit. 1) DRIVE SHAFT ( 5" ) 1) PRESSURE WASHER 1) SHAFT BUSHINGS 1) NYLON WASHER & 1 WASHER 1) HEX HEAD NUT COURSE THREAD 2) ROLL PINS 1) DRIVE HUB 7 1/2 " 1) RATCHET WHEEL 1) PRESSURE PLATE 1) PRESSURE WASHER 2) ROLL PINS 1) RACHET PAWL & SPRING / NO BOLT I onky found videos on how to assemble that product. Sorry to bother you, I will look again.
My drive shaft threads are damaged and I would like to run a die on the threads to repair them so I can put a new extension tube on. What size did do I need?
@@popupcamperpro thank you for your reply I was able to figure it out on my own. That is a 5/8 coarse thread. So I bought a 5/8 coarse thread die and will try to repair the threads when I get back over there thank you
Allan, I would first check the drive hub tube for proper compression. The system needs to compress completely. You may just need a small amount of adjustment.
Hello Kellee! Comparing your campers parts to the new product examples shown in the video, and online at the webstore are both good springboards to start from. Also searching the keywords "thread damage example" generates a large amount of images as well. I hope this information is helpful. If you need further assistance please let me know!
I can't find any videos on a chain-driven system. My pop-up will go up and but I can't get it down and it is the left-hand chain drive system. I just bought a brand new Left Hand Chain Driven system and the drive hub extension tube just spins when I go to lower it. I have to take the panel off underneath and manually lower the top by a wrench and turning the whiffletree. Anyone have any ideas?
I have a 2011 Coleman Yuma Destiny series pop up. When Raising the roof there is no clicking sound. Also the Brake does not engage until the the roof reaches it's full open position. If I let go of the crank handle anywhere in between gravity takes over & the roof winds back down on its own. any suggestions? I'll try the reset procedure first.
This is typically a compression issue or worn threads in the drive tube, drive shaft or both. If the problem is recent, the reset procedure typically works.
@@popupcamperpro I tried the reset procedure you mentioned after about a quarter of a turn it wouldn't budge, felt like i was going to break something so I stopped. It also didn't make any noise when attempted the reset procedure.
@@acforhim1 The camper is open and I haven't had time to deal with it. I left the crank handle in and used the battery box strap and secured it to the bumper just incase it decided to wind down. haven't as of yet.
You talk of every problem with the camper not staying up. You touched on it not being able to come back down but no further. I have the problem of it stuck in the up position and cannot crank it back down so what do you think the problem is? It absolutely clicks when cranking it up but will not allow you to crank it back down.
Typically one of two issues. Debris at the rear of the drawbar on the whiffle tree, or the drive hub extension tube is not disengaging completely and compression is still on the crank.
Mother nature has her own forms of loc-tite. Try bracing the system from the chain or drive area, and use a large pipe wrench on the tube. Left is loose. If this does not work, you may have to take the crank off the camper and get it into a bench vise.
@@popupcamperpro Thank God the pipe wrench worked! I'll probably order new guts to go back in the hub ext. There were 3 washers that weren't flat and a spring that stretched out as I was trying to get it out. Now if I can get the new thrust bearing in! I tried to go from the backside without taking all that off but I couldn't get the pins to budge at all! 😣
It would be more helpful if you would actually show how these steps are actually done rather than talking about them. You actually need to demonstrate the principle of how the clutch works on the shaft, and also show which and how the components are positioned on the shaft. There are also several important details you should include as to correct order and parts placement and tools. Thank you.
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Thank you for this video! When cranking my camper wasn't clicking and was afraid to raise it all the way up as there seemed to be lots of tension. After watching this video I decided to continue raising it until the roof was fully up....and was able to turn the crank about 3 or 4 more times which tightened everything up. Now it clicks and locks. Thanks again!!
Excellent video. It helped me out of "no click" on raising roof on my '06 Sea Pine. I thought I broke something in the crank assembly when I accidently had the drill I use to raise the roof in reverse when trying to raise. No clicking and slow fall down after that mistake. I was getting ready to take the crank assy apart (ugh) when I found this video. I took your advice and raised it all the way up. Then I kept turning the crank and sure enough I got two or more turns and it worked fine after that. Reset! Great stuff. I subscribed.
Glad to help!
Same here. Glad i checked out this video. Very helpful!
Great video! My wife ripped the wall previously so I didn't want to over extend it, so I put a nail through the chain and held the other side with vice grips and tightened everything up. It worked perfectly except after I popped it up the inside was full of mice.
Consider a product like fresh cab to deter mice. Here’s a link to this product on our website.
colemanpopupparts.com/products/fresh-cab-rodent-repellent
@@popupcamperpro thanks! I wasn't even expecting a solution, but that sounds perfect for us. We just bought a new trailer today and I'm for sure getting some.
Mice are the bane of campers. I hate them.
Thanks so much! I had an issue with my Coleman not clicking and staying up however your advice remedied the issue. Super helpful!
Glad it helped!
You're a rockstar. Thank you!
At 5:41 I whacked my monitor thinking I had a bug running about on it. Turns out the bug was on your table. LOL Ouch, my hand hurts now. :)
Lol!
My no click was caused by the back stop for the far end of the wiffle tree rod being bent away from the handle area. This allowed the whole assembly to shift away from the click pawl, and it would slip the gear away from the area that the click pawl could reach. A strategically placed washer near the large bearing in the wiffle tree assembly prevents the whole assembly from being allowed to shift forward towards the front of the trailer.
Great information, I was trying to fix 99 sea pine pop up and could not get it to crank, this a useful information thank you
Do you have a video showing how to replace the drive shaft or crank assembly? If the threads are damaged. Thanks so much.
Coming soon. For now you can find more how to under the INSTRUCTIONS link at colemanpopupparts.com
My Cheyenne model is experiencing the same thing. No clicking and no compression, currently stuck in the closed position. The 5/8" nut is rounded off, I'll have to go to your Plan B and take off the Drive Shaft.
Did you have any luck?
Hi there. Thanks for the great informative videos. I have another problem now. The roof lifts...but it doesn't go down with the crank. I'm able to lower it by removing the pin and using a 5/8 socket on a ratchet. I removed the drive extension to inspect it. It's very greasy inside. Should it be? Also, it only has 2 (bent) washers. No spring or nylon spacer. Why wouldn't it have these parts inside the drive extension to begin with? It seemed to have worked all these years without them.
No sooner after leaving the comment....I did find the nylon spacer and the spring in the tube. The nylon spacer was stuck inside and had to hammer it out with the help of a flathead screwdriver. The spring is all deteriorated and fell apart into pieces!
Hello Eric! I recommend to check the threads inside the tube, and on the drive shaft. The inside parts such as the spacer and spring work as thread limiters. The drive hubs can sometimes work without them, but it can chew the threads up.
I have a “stubborn” slotted flat head bolt in drive shaft. Can’t get it out. Any ideas?
Hello Scott! These can be a pain. Try chemical penetrant, an air hammer, or just cut the tube above the nut.
Thanks so much! Got it off with a impact driver. Do you know why my crank system when cranking down sometimes “slips” and the roof falls a couple inches? While trying to crank the roof down it goes between the crank handle having control of cranking it down and then slipping and the crank handle does nothing and the roof drops a little. If I apply pressure to the crank handle however, then the issue doesn’t happen and I have control cranking it down. Hope that makes sense.
Great video. Learning so much from all your videos as I try to learn about pop up campers. Have a question that I believe is related to this video; however, I have not found my exact symptoms mentioned anywhere. The camper is a 2006 Fleetwood Evolution that cranks up, stays in place anywhere between fully up or down and also cranks down, but there is no "clicking" while cranking. Seems to work completely fine and doesn't drop down under it's own weight but the clicking is completely absent. I have not had a chance as of yet to begin disassembly and diving deeper in. Any preliminary ideas on what the cause may be? Is it safe to use as is for the time being? Thanks so much.
This is typically a compression issue DP. Take a look at how drive hub extensions work, and how to replace them.
Thank you for this as i just relived this problem today. Question...I've got a 2006 Fleetwood Niagara and when i try loosing the nut it just spins and doesn't want to come off...any suggestions? Thanks again.
You may have to go to plan B and replace the driveshaft if the threads are damaged beyond use.
Pop up camper pro how do you replace the driveshaft? Will I need to remove the back panel?
Elizabeth Cooke that is correct. After the panel is off, remove the chain at the master link first. Then using a hammer and punch, remove the pin in the chain drive gear. This will allow the assembly to come apart.
Pop up camper pro Thank you! We got it apart tonight, will be ordering parts in the AM. Thank you for a great video!
I've watched this video a couple different times. I think my 95 Coleman is missing half this parts but still able to crank up and down. Can I still get all new parts for that year
You sure can! Please give me a call at colemanpopupparts.com for assistance in choosing the correct items. Thank you Matthew!
Our extension is 7.5 inches but I can only find a 6". I know it would be shorter.....but would the 6" still work?
Erin, I do not recommend at this point using a different length tube. Recent discoveries about these systems will lead me to recommend that you stick with the same length.
Hello! I have a '99 Taos direct crank in the bumper. I can hand crank it up and down just fine. But my power drill will not lift it. Why!?
Hmmmm. Not sure on this one Heather.
ok out camping get to site with my 99 sea pine go to crank it and it just spins. can I cheat this to go up or am I losing out on $500. still here just sleepng tonight in back of the suburban with wife and kids. I have lots of tools. so any help will be great. i could get it down like everyone else has problems doing but mine is gettin it to go up.
Sounds like the drive hub may be bad. Remove it, and manually manipulate the drive shaft if you have the proper tools with you. You will likely need some people helping to lift the roof at each corner through this processes. Have some type of supports ready to brace the roof. 2X4 lumber is recommended cut to size to fit between the roof and the deck.
I lost my crank.... is there any other way to put it up and down
NJNJ H, They are available at colemanpopupparts.com/
My problem seems to be one that you don't mention. My roof is halfway up and I can't turn the handle either way. It's just stuck.
This is called binding. It can be caused by a few situations. A common one is debris in the whiffle tree pan cover. Try here first. If this is not it, please take a look at the lift system repair manual available on our website for more issues that cause binding, or give me a call at the shop.
What way does the spring go in the tube
Large side first for the first generation springs.
Thank you
I have a 2000 Coleman Fleetwood Niagara, crank goes into the bumper. I can turn it fine and it will open fine, but if I let go of the crank handle, it spins backwards, closing the trailer. How would I fix this?
Sounds like the compression is not engaged. What diagnostics steps have you taken to date?
@@popupcamperpro thank you for getting back to me. I have not done anything yet, I am looking to get started on it tomorrow.
I just rescued this pop up from a field and this is all new to me, so I am learning as I go. Is there a video that maybe I missed that I should watch so I know what I am looking for?
Please give me a call at the shop when you have some time to talk for assistance.
What size of flat washers are used? Took the hub extension off and mine has three washer that looking like someone added a concave shape to them.
The original washers are very thin. In a pinch you can use one standard washer.
Asked what size they were so he can buy some. Need size so I can also figure it out
How do I know which kit to buy?
Assistance is available if you are stuck. Please give us a call at the shop.
What is the part number for this kit on a 1999 coleman Cheyenne?
Thank you
Drive hub kit 1741 Corky.
Thanks!
Do you have a video for the '99 Cheyenne rebild?
@@corkydavis5688 all currently available videos can be found at our channel
@@popupcamperpro, I scrolled through the videos, but did not find one for remove of the
Lower Crank Assembly Rebuild Kit.
1) DRIVE SHAFT ( 5" )
1) PRESSURE WASHER
1) SHAFT BUSHINGS
1) NYLON WASHER & 1 WASHER
1) HEX HEAD NUT COURSE THREAD
2) ROLL PINS
1) DRIVE HUB 7 1/2 "
1) RATCHET WHEEL
1) PRESSURE PLATE
1) PRESSURE WASHER
2) ROLL PINS
1) RACHET PAWL & SPRING / NO BOLT
I onky found videos on how to assemble that product.
Sorry to bother you, I will look again.
My drive shaft threads are damaged and I would like to run a die on the threads to repair them so I can put a new extension tube on. What size did do I need?
Sorry Jim, that I do not know. Perhaps we have a machinist who could answer this question?
@@popupcamperpro thank you for your reply I was able to figure it out on my own. That is a 5/8 coarse thread. So I bought a 5/8 coarse thread die and will try to repair the threads when I get back over there thank you
Jim Wilson good to know! Please let us know how the repair goes.
What if the washers dont fit on the shaft?
You have an aftermarket tube or the wrong washers would be my first guesses.
Baught the 3000 series rebuilt kit from Coleman pop up parts. IDK.
Sorry it was the rebuild kit,that says it can be used for the the 3000 series etc.
What if the extension tube broke off? How to fix it?
This will require replacement Julia.
Mine cranks up fine but when going down it works fine then it like bounces going down.. What could be the issue?
Worn chains and mis aligned chains can cause hammering. Stage cables ni longer flexible can also be a culprit.
How about when you crank up, it clicks but keeps slipping. What is the issue?
Allan, I would first check the drive hub tube for proper compression. The system needs to compress completely. You may just need a small amount of adjustment.
How do I tell if the threads are damaged?
Hello Kellee! Comparing your campers parts to the new product examples shown in the video, and online at the webstore are both good springboards to start from. Also searching the keywords "thread damage example" generates a large amount of images as well. I hope this information is helpful. If you need further assistance please let me know!
I can't find any videos on a chain-driven system. My pop-up will go up and but I can't get it down and it is the left-hand chain drive system. I just bought a brand new Left Hand Chain Driven system and the drive hub extension tube just spins when I go to lower it. I have to take the panel off underneath and manually lower the top by a wrench and turning the whiffletree. Anyone have any ideas?
Hey Nick! I left you another message yesterday. Please give me a call back.
I have a 2011 Coleman Yuma Destiny series pop up. When Raising the roof there is no clicking sound. Also the Brake does not engage until the the roof reaches it's full open position. If I let go of the crank handle anywhere in between gravity takes over & the roof winds back down on its own. any suggestions? I'll try the reset procedure first.
This is typically a compression issue or worn threads in the drive tube, drive shaft or both. If the problem is recent, the reset procedure typically works.
@@popupcamperpro I tried the reset procedure you mentioned after about a quarter of a turn it wouldn't budge, felt like i was going to break something so I stopped. It also didn't make any noise when attempted the reset procedure.
@@davidpettengill914 How did this end up? Dealing with it now.
@@acforhim1 The camper is open and I haven't had time to deal with it. I left the crank handle in and used the battery box strap and secured it to the bumper just incase it decided to wind down. haven't as of yet.
@@davidpettengill914 Bummer...I know that feeling. It feels like it's one thing after another. lol Good luck.
You talk of every problem with the camper not staying up. You touched on it not being able to come back down but no further. I have the problem of it stuck in the up position and cannot crank it back down so what do you think the problem is? It absolutely clicks when cranking it up but will not allow you to crank it back down.
Typically one of two issues. Debris at the rear of the drawbar on the whiffle tree, or the drive hub extension tube is not disengaging completely and compression is still on the crank.
I was able to remove the pin off and bolt but I cant get my tube to come off.😔
Mother nature has her own forms of loc-tite. Try bracing the system from the chain or drive area, and use a large pipe wrench on the tube. Left is loose. If this does not work, you may have to take the crank off the camper and get it into a bench vise.
@@popupcamperpro Thank God the pipe wrench worked! I'll probably order new guts to go back in the hub ext. There were 3 washers that weren't flat and a spring that stretched out as I was trying to get it out. Now if I can get the new thrust bearing in! I tried to go from the backside without taking all that off but I couldn't get the pins to budge at all! 😣
Thanks
No problem
It would be more helpful if you would actually show how these steps are actually done rather than talking about them. You actually need to demonstrate the principle of how the clutch works on the shaft, and also show which and how the components are positioned on the shaft. There are also several important details you should include as to correct order and parts placement and tools. Thank you.
I do plan to. This video was recorded at home during quarantine while the shop was closed. Thanks for writing!
@@popupcamperpro I'd be ever so grateful for a video! I am not good at reading the old manuals, a video would be so helpful!