That's me, to be honest. Dehya's release was already the tipping point; Fontaine was all right, but I didn't care that much for most of the characters; then here comes Natlan and I was like "...Oh." I'm hanging on for Iansan, but if she turns out to be complete balls (which is increasingly likely since the AQ is OVER and she's the only major character that hasn't beejn released yet, apparently still won't be for 5.4), I'm going out of my way to drag Genshin through the mud. I really liked the game once upon a time. I went out of my way to get characters I DON'T EVEN USE! But after taking a break and playing WuWa, I'm questioning why I wasted my time and money for so long.
so damn real 😂 i see it in my self i fuckin hate jenshin bcz i played that game till AR60 nothing new, no more innovation, freaking dang character model recycle, worst powercreep, become super predatory when natlan released and all new features got locked behind 5★ limited? holy shit
Bro, the entire narrative for Natlan is just so messed up. Not only was it immersion breaking for most people, it also lacked substance. Fontaine was peak genshin. a shame they fumbled the nation of war so hard along with it's archon
MrPokke blames wuwa community for his toxic live chat while playing genshin but not zzz or other hoyoshill pretending to be wuwa community spamming his chat. While he spent 3 days playing wuwa his chat filled with hoyoshill shting on wuwa 2.0 throughout his playthrough and he ignored them but all of the sudden when he plays genshin he blames wuwa community for being toxic. You see the agenda there Look at his zzz latest patch under his comments. Calling wuwa mid bunch of hypocrites ( I play both games but I'mma point out the hyprocrisy)
MrPokke is out of touch since he always gets characters paid by viewers or himself, he has no perspective on what the average player gets in the game, even with some minimal spending. And the reality is you can't just "choose" a character, skip another, when some of these need each other to function at a decent level.. and most new characters have no lightcone alternatives besides the paid one
@@NanookTheSupremeDestroyer yeah given how many limited 5 stars I've gotten in star rail despite being f2p, it's actually true, genshin will never be generous, unless da wei resigns.
The saddest thing is that the biggest haters probably loved the game the most im the past. They just have seen how bad it really was structurally and how much better they could be treated, even in a different game from the same company.
I spent thousands on Genshin, as soon as wuwa dropped I deleted Genshin and started wuwa, I can understand the Genshin players not willing to quit because of how much they already spent in the game
wuwa really is the genshin killer, but its not one shot nuke damage. its damage overtime that never wears off and only gets stronger every update we just got huge poison buff from 2.0 and now they're going to add burning when 2.1 comes out (calling it now, 2.1 will be the world record of people saying genshin could never)
Nah fr I started playing Genshin Jan 2024 loved it, then fell out of love around the summer Than Wuwa came around & opened my eyes Natlan was deff the nail in the coffin I pulled Mauv cuz she was the only char I wanted from Natlan but with 2.0 Wuwa now out, I’ve 100% dropped Genshin. There’s just no point in playing it when ZZZ & Wuwa exist
That's me. Loved it all the way to Natlan. I had my qualms, like the 3 years 3 wishes debacle or the scam weapon banner. But Natlan is just bad. Ugly nation, bad story (except the captain stuff), and weird characters.
I've been having to preach that "Genshin could never" came from HSR ever since it caught traction early last year. People magically forget that HSR popularized that phrase and that people were theorizing that HSR was an experiment to see what would happen if you listened to the community. The hate for genshin has ALWAYS come from under the hoyo umbrella of players since hoyo thrives off of making people adducted to their games to milk as much money as possible.
I think a big factor was that HSR started as "Genshin could never" but got progressively worse with insane power-creep and dialogue bloat. It's easy to forget how people looked up to HSR after that.
@@Gnidel To be fair, they make up the fact that they're so p2w with giving out many tickets, plus easier access to tickets through puzzles than exploring
@@nyes4596 as a f2p hsr player, hard disagree. they only give out just enough pulls to get 50% of a rate-up character every patch and with the speed at which theyre increasing the hp of the mobs in the endgame, its become increasingly difficult to clear content in the game without having godly luck or spending money
Absolutely agreed , the most toxic people towwards genshin are the people who have played it a lot and then come to realise how shitty it is , myselft included. Once upon a time i also used to love genshin but slowly i startedn noticing small things that were just so fucking unbearable and it all hit me so hard when i played WuWa for the first time . ever since that day i havent touched genshin and i hate it exactly because i used to love it but it never loved me back as a game, ever stagnant piece of shit offering nothing but time waste with a few good moments
Yeah man... Same... I realized it too... Like a few days ago when I tried to spin for Mavuika's weapon and lost 50/50 and that's when I realized how stupid this system was... Why would a weapon need to have 50/50... I wasted a lot of money on companies that didn't even appreciate their players... When they losing their players... All they do is cry in front of the camera with no changing to the game... So I quit... Wuwa is better than genshin... It's not hating... It's just a fact...
@@Paan891 im happy that u joined us... i also was a genshin player and spend money to have the weapon of alhaitham...... this game is a drug i never ever win a 50/50 in genshin.... meanwhile in HSR and wuthering waves i already win 3 50/50 in sequences and is f2p friendly.... wuthering waves i feel so good playing it... in genshin i was feeling stuck and reading 20 hours of dialogue
Ex genshin player as well I've noticed since began to play the game, the first area gives zero primogems and people came to defend "it's the first region, that's normal to happen" while wuwa got tons of chests with 10-20-30 astrites just on the first area
I firmly believe that most of the Genshin haters are current and ex-Genshin players (with significant play time), and most WuWa haters have either never played WuWa, or quit in the first hour. I don't have hard data on this, but a larger proportion of the gacha community has played Genshin at some point, and I suspect that most WuWa players have also played Genshin. At least for myself, I still play both games, but my interest in Genshin is holding on by a thread, and may get dropped as more games come out. IMO, Genshin is a good game at its core, but it's been buried in so many bad/greedy decisions that it's hard to enjoy the parts that actually are good.
@@xenoemblem7sure he can ignore haters, unfortunately it wont change the fact that genshin gameplay sucks right now its so outdated as if the devs doesnt even bother anymore, even zzz has better game ngl
MrPokke is out of touch since he always gets characters paid by viewers or himself, he has no perspective on what the average player gets in the game, even with some minimal spending. And the reality is you can't just "choose" a character, skip another, when some of these need each other to function at a decent level.. and most new characters have no lightcone alternatives besides the paid one
Tbf, WuWa also have a gated weekly boss materials. It's the Calamity class bosses, the 3 tries per week. It's only that but everything else is indeed better than GI.
The point is not even being allowed to do the same boss multiple times in the same week on genshin. This way you can get only 2-3 talent materials per week. Imagine having to wait a whole week to level up a SINGLE LEVEL on your new character
Wuwa has 3 tries per week but you can repeat the boss u want, also there's only one kind of boss drop each so there's no converting sh*t using dream solvent that very rarely drops.
Genshin material bosses also respawn immediately, which is better than waiting two minutes in Wuwa. I was surprised they improved on that without anyone expecting it.
I finish collecting materials from the weekly bosses "I want" for my characters much faster and easier in WuWa than in Genshin; it's objectively better, to be honest. The only thing I can criticize about WuWa is the tuner, though I feel like Kuro has been showering us with tuners in every single patch lately. And, I've been rolling my Echoes stats like crazy so far and still have ike 600ish tuners remaining.
I haven't even played for a year yet in GI, I started during 4.7. I loved it and even finished all the AQ and the world quests except in the desert. I used to play nonstop, learning the lore and the world of the game. When Fontaine ended, I remember being so hyped when Neuvi stated that my next journey will be the nation of war. I was so ready till it came and oh boy...what a letdown.
Genshin uploaded Capitano's cutscene from 5.3 on their channel and called it a "story teaser" while it is practically the entirety of 5.3's story, everything else was filler.
fr lmfao, we did nothing but beat the big bad guy (with 20 mins of drawn out cutscenes) in a battle sequence that does not hold a candle to rinascitas most basic cutscenes and bosses.
People masking themselves as being a part of another community is something that's been going on for ages. I first saw it back when Battlefield and CoD were at war with each other. BF players would pretend they were CoD players to make the CoD players look bad and vise versa. I would bet $50000 that it's happening here as well.
Shït, there are whole subreddits exposing people making political posts pretending to be minorities voting against their own interests lmao. Tale as old as time itself.
Completely true, I'm a day 1 wuwa player and idgaf about other gacha games (I played pgr, zzz, hsr and genshin but now only wuwa, just my own preferences), just enjoying what kuro is giving to us and not throwing sht or being toxic with other communities, why I would do that if I can enjoy beautiful waifus all day
The game keeps saying Xilonen was the one who created her bike, but Mavuika has been riding that bike for 500 years in the Night Kingdom prior to being resurrected 😅 it's in her character trailer with the endless road thing
Shhhh don’t tell them, they will get mad and flame till the rest of your life 🤣🤣 Mavuika = riding the bike 500 years Xilonen = born after 500 years. Logic ? Hoyoshill be like : it’s dragon tech boohoo
as someone who used to play genshin daily and once wholeheartedly said "this is my main game, this is all I wanted" somewhere in version 1.x, I haven't touched that game for months now. It's shit, and it's genshin's own fault why their game is shit I do believe that most of the people that are hating on genshin are (ex) genshin players themselves. I'm currently vibing in wuwa and I couldn't be more happier about the fact that the devs actually care about the community
Idk about zzz. But hsr and wuwa.. similar approach IMO. U can repeat the same boss 3 times so focusing on the char is easier. Also under each weekly boss umbrella u don't have to rng which exactly mat drop that ur char needs. Thou u got a way with that conversion stuff.. so it's not a problem if u are already long in the game..
@@SyrFloraZZZ also does it but it's limited to 3 times and you can only get ONE DROP EACH TRY There's a box with seletor too but that can't save much since need at least 2 teams well built for endgame
When HSR was generous: Genshin could never. Now, when both HSR and Genshin are becoming pain in the ass I expect to see ZZZ could never. Then, when hoyo released another generous game and ZZZ became like those first two games?
I never played Genshin and HSR, the second because I don't like turn based game with RPG style while I'm currently playing Zzz for the gameplay and for some events where you can play mini games. Still I don't hate Zzz but if they continue to improve maybe I will still play in the future
9:45 true I don't even watch any genshin streamers live even wuwa streams, I just open youtube watch any cool/guide/info about wuwa then I just straight farming echoes and material for future upgrade.
In my community, genshin fans always start drama with other game Shit talk to other, arrogant, and cluless Right now, they become public enemies and everyone hate it. What's even funnier is they play victim afterwards
This is the first time I saw this drama. Been busy exploring Rinasita, doing my best to 100% the whole region. Lol. Someone did the calculation, you could get 100 plus pulls if you fully explore the map and do the events. Wuwa players don't have time to get into that drama.
@@CrowUIO I started 2.0 with 600 astrite and zero pity in both Resonator/weapon banner. Got Carlotta at 40 pull and her weapon in 70. I still have Astrite left for the next banner.
I play Genshin and I absolutely hate it. Have no intention of playing it further. Tectone is right in saying that majority of hate is from Genshin players themselves. Also you are right about even the most dedicated CCs quitting or not liking Natlan. Daily Dish is a channel that consistently made Genshin content but now she doesn't. She plays infinite nikke and says she is not into genshin anymore
I don't even understand about this bald guy. "Saved this" "Saved that" "Destroyed this" "Destroyed that" Those titles are click baits. He didn't do anything, just sat in front of PC and talked. That's it.
Lol wht u said bout us flying around rinascita is true HAHAHA wouldn't want to waste my time around genshin anymore unless they decided to improved their game for players.
You know for sure that Genshin fans who read this will instantly discredit this post by Tectone, just because its made by Tectone himself, not because they can disprove it, but because he said it
Okay though let's not be disingenuous, all the communities have become toxic cesspools waiting to bite at each other. What Mr Pokke was pointing out was the fact that Wuwa bots (i don't even necessarily think they are fans) were spamming things like "Play Wuwa, wuwa is better" and not allowing him to fully just focus on whether he was or was not actually enjoying Natlan thus having an affect on his rating of Natlan. He admits he needed to moderate better and not let it affect him as much. It is very objective of him to point out whether he had any biases in his rating. Everyone, including the players, know Genshin is horrible and predatory but communities need to stop throwing stones and hiding their hands behind their back just because one casino is doing better or one casino is less predatory within an inherently predatory market. Hoyo communities may have started and continue to throw rocks at each other or whatever. But to speculate whether people raiding chats are just hoyo bots disguised as wuwa fans shouting "Play Wuwa" in chats just seems like a stretch for how common this is becoming. Hoyo communities raid wuwa, other gacha and each other but similarly I don't put it above at least a small portion of the Wuwa community doing it back for revenge. It's not defense at this point it's childish. It feels like just because Hoyo is predatory and its communities are toxic, people take it upon themselves to get vengeance or be on the same level. Wuwa is good so ignore the haters at this point because they are going to hate but a minority of the community acting like toxic fans is enough to put a bad faith image on the community, especially if there's no accountability that the problem could be within rather from outside.
Especially when people forget that back in wuwa beta people said "wuwa is the genshin killer" and ran with it all the way to wuwa's 1.0 release which was a DISASTER! The players clamoring for wuwa's success were attacking genshin players all the way back in fontaine.. So yeah.
@@nobody-xh6ii so real. Honestly, it's at the point to which it no longer matters who has started it, everyone is continuing it no matter the community. And I want to make it clear that "Oh but they are worse" is not an actual retort to a community being toxic. We are all just pointing fingers at each other and it's tiring. It also doesn't help that this community shits on genshin players for playing at a more predatory casino. If people enjoy hoyo games, then let them enjoy it. If people enjoy Kuro games, then let them enjoy it. If people like other gacha companies it's fine, most are probably playing multiple. At the end of the day we all willingly walked into a Casino, we have a choice to play something other than gacha so it doesn't matter which is better.
Tectone is practically a hero of gacha gaming community especially at genshin. most of the QoL that have applied at genshin were directly or indirectly influenced by tectone. the most infamous incident was the Staff of Homeless that is insane to the point hoyo have to add epitomized path on the weapon banner at 2.0 patch. it was a crazy times in genshin early years. and the leyline overflow event, that was tectone's idea.
dont drink the koolaid its funny ironically but every cc in the gacha climate is after sponsorships from games and making money from content. staff of homeless is sooo funny to me tho as someone whos new to all of this
to clarify, ashikai is not quitting genshin. she's delegating less time to it because she's 'tired' and wants to prioritize current interests (like hsr) and work on irl training for post-cc plans.
At this point the best thing Kurobot can do is just let people play Genshin so people can realize how bad things is, yeah they don’t have to do anything when hoyo did it to themselves
I played Genshin since 1.0, release day, and i left it for WuWa and never looked back. WuWa didn't have the best launch, but players feel listened to, players feel rewarded for sticking with the game, players feel the quality improving every patch. Meanwhile i could scarcely remember a single good thing that happened with Genshin since release. QoL are slow, late, and rarely as impactful as were hoped, 2.0 storyline, to put it lightly, did not live up to expectations, and if you miss their launch patch, new regions barely has anything to do in except collect chests. No story relevance, nothing. Even characters suffer from this with many 4 stars not appearing in the story at all outside of time-limited events. And let's not even get into 1st anniversary debacle. That should have been warning enough about how Genshin devs view players.
I got mavuika there and I liked her, but yeah in comparison to wuwa, genshin doesn't feel good to play (slave since 1.1 here). It's very disappointing in so many ways. I wouldn't say it's dogshit, it would need to evolve first to became one.
1:44 Yeah, people seem to forget about the Dr. Ratio incident. Also I gotta admit, I used to like Genshin a lot that's why I hated it so much when I moved on to Wuwa cuz Wuwa actually gave me/us the things we've been asking for in Genshin for years and years...
it baffling seeing these creator over exaggarated the issue just for the hate, show how small-minded you are. "Most predatory banner system among the current active gacha"? Just said you never play any gacha game beside hoyo and kuro lmao. Genshin is actually among the less predatory side in the gacha game space, other popular gacha like nikke and BA actually have 200pity for a single limited char, and dont even talk about japanese gacha which is among the most predatory one like dragon ball legend,.... Overall, is the new banner suck? yes. Should we complain? yes. Is it the most predatory thing ever like these cc farming? absolutely not.
In my opinion, I think natlan is good, but I also recognize that could have been so much better. And, let’s be honest, guys, Genshin fandom has ALWAYS been divisive towards the game. Twitter Genshin finds something to complain about constantly. I just hope that the communities begin to start pushing back enough that Hoyoverse HAS to say “that’s enough, we’ll make this game better.” One of the immediate things they need to do is not only add the skip button but stop constantly rehashing already given context. 5.3 was amazing in that it didn’t have you constantly going over old information. One of the things people got pissed off most about was Capitano. I think that is also completely fair, but like, the story would have been so much less impactful without his sacrifice. That said, there’s little reason to hope they’ll be improving upon their game. For five years I’ve played- and enjoyed playing it in a personal capacity, personally I don’t like taking negative mindsets towards games- and they only increased the resin cap during Fontaine. They only had the switching mechanic added AFTER seeing wuwa get praised for it. Their models still look like bauble heads. I think that Genshin Impact needs to do two things in order to actually fight for its title back. 1- Rehash EVERY character model. Make them more realistically balanced, give Albedo and Diluc their fluffy hair, that type of thing. In addition, rehashing the character models would make them able to realistically change certain aspects of the overworld. We know they have beautiful graphics, we know they can do it. 2- Storyline. They need to resolve the issue with the characters being mute. Hsr has a problem with that too, and it’s why people quit before 3.0. One of my most frustrating experiences with Natlan is having to switch to Japanese for a good auditory experience. Kinich is one of the NICEST sounding characters on the entire game and he’s goddamn mute. But Ajaw isn’t? I’m 99% sure they changed Ajaw’s voice actress or paid her more. John Patneaude is very talented and hearing his voice acting again just might make people happier. Might. But let’s also address that lore theorizers like the one mentioned, Ashiki, are OVERWHELMED by Natlan’s lore. They feel that they should have dripped this lore out a long time ago. I don’t blame them. Those who enjoy Genshin’s lore feel overwhelmed and betrayed by the lack of content up until Natlan. Then there’s the MAJORITY of the fandom feeling infantized and treated like babies with big wallets during archon quests and world quests. Genshin’s team needs to stop treating their fans like they’re idiots and not rehash information every five minutes. Then, there’s Paimon. The incredibly high pitch of paimon’s voice personally removes any sense of immersion and enjoyment for me. I would actually prefer Ajaw, the backstabbing shit he is, be our partner. They need to limit Paimon. Start treating her like pom pom, a character who travels with us, yes, but more of the character she actually claimed to be. For right now, paimon is just a grubby little shit with a large mouth and even more stomachs. The part where she thanked Traveler for taking care of her was cute, and sweet. But I need more of Paimon actually being a travel guide with Aether/Lumine as the confused individual who has them there because they are useful. Paimon’s entire character breaks it for me. I have NEVER been happy with her character. She’s literally a floating child that I have to drag everywhere because she’s a clingy little asshole that doesn’t even provide COMEDY to any situation. Sorry for the long post, and I applaud everyone who read it! I urge you to go to Genshin’s forums and tell them why they are losing their players.
And yes, they totally should change how wishing works too. Their weapon banner is less of a scam, but let’s be honest, it still is. If they’re not giving out more rewards, then they should lower their pity systems to compensate.
i've been playing genshin since 1.0 until 5.3 tbh, i never hate the game until it hit natlan patch (in fact i really love the game before) natlan has been like how the devs spit on our face on their lore build-up towards natlan region and the fact that community defend that atrocity just because they give lore based on dragon tech, where in fact dragon has build-up lore as almight powerful being that known for their destruction power (just look at neuvillette pre-reincarnation lore and apep). now suddenly this dragon have civilization too with their modern tech, like sure it was a plot twist, BUT MADE IT MADE SENSE FFS the fact that nation in civil war have more interesting map design about war than the nation of war itself, its so pathetic how this player keep defending them by saying, uHHhH bUt THe WaR iS iN NiGHt KinGDoM BRoOoo and dont forget about 'teyvat chapter storyline' that natlan archon will tell us a secret about teyvat, yet in 5.3 hoyo be like: UhHHh wHaT sECrEt? lets not talk about how predatory they become with their exploration qol, after we SUPPORT THEM FOR ALMOST 5 F'IN YEARS INSTEAD OF GIVING US FREE USEFUL QOL, GUESS WHAT THEY HAVE TO GATEKEEP IT BEHIND PREMIUM CHAR 'bUT u CaN jUSt uSE SaURiAn' FFS changing from saurian to my own chars are annoying af and it can barely walk (ITS SLOW AF) and sanctifying elixir? what a fkin joke of a system
I can verify that this is true. When I first quit genshin, I was that angry chatter in many places. Now I just chill in Wuwa mostly and play a few other games (infinity nikki/ zzz).
I don't even think its simple as "ex-genshin players that looked at wuwa2.0" since the dawn of HSR this shit has been happening, Dr.Ratio the genesis of "Genshin could never" was the first major blow Genshin is the stingy anamoly on the hoyoverse ecosystem
as someone who played Genshin impact and quit it before WUWA even released, Yes Genshin impact is dead, doing same routine and there's no challange, HSR is way better with each teams with diffirent playstyle, and WUWA is just better, specially the new patch 2.0. ( I never hate on any game, just saying WUWA is a better gacha game )
As a now ex-Genshin player, it's not hard to be mad at Genshin, when the game itself and the devs provide so much fuel, almost mockingly. Natlan never sat well with me, and I got insulted for not liking it. But now, more and more players are making the exact same points I made back then. I quit Genshin after realizing that, despite liking her design and personality, Mavuika changed absolutely nothing about the way I use my teams, and didn't even feel fun to play herself. She has such a crazy moveset, yet I feel like I'm running her on autopilot. This lack of engagement with enemies just feels tiring. Reminds me of how Monster Hunter went from tough encounters with imposing dragons, to you showing off your best stunlocks against dragon-shaped punching bags.
Not a big fan of Tectone, but this tweet is a lot of truth. I never felt any incentive/desire to return to Genshin after I quit during the Chasm. Idk what happened, but I actually just started to despise playing the game. I watched my friend play Wuthering Waves 2.0 and liked what I saw. I downloaded the game again and started playing because the QoL improvements and new content were very appealing to me. No regrets on returning to Wuthering Waves.
If it's the same case as Harumasa, where Citlali is free. I think people would be less infuriated, because the main damage source of Mavuika is her ult where it'll only charge consistently with Natlan character. Other nations can do it, but it is slow as fuck. The funniest part is, You can use Harumasa/Miyabi with anyone and it would not decrease their performance significantly.
That's actually the truth kurobots are doing their own shi*ts exploring Rinascita then making me as their Punching bag when they fully built their resonators.
Yes, but, you can use all the three you have for one boss in specific. Whereas in Genshin, it's just one fight per week. No idea about how it works in ZZZ or HSR
Tbf, pokke's "tourist" stance if fair. If a person just wants to play a game they can, so him playing genshin is fine. However, throwing the blame on "kurobots" and "hoyoshills" is where he was wrong. If he's a tourist then he should've addressed his entire chat for the issues
Don't worry Genshit players, when Snezhnaya drops and forces you to pull for Snezhnaya characters so you can snowboard down mountains and ice skate across frozen lakes, I'm sure MHY will be thanking you for once again opening your wallets
easy i think ppl are overthinking , genshin is the cashcow for hoyo , the same way it went from mihoyo to hoyoverse meaning a cashcow product will fuel and help other products rise , the money will never be spent on making genshin better its actually the definition of a cashcow product to bring money to the company while remaining unchanged or unimproved , the same happens with the chinese companies like papergames merging into ELEX , they made the cashcow "love nikki" a 2D low resolution game that brings insane money to a point the company was able to make two crazy quality games like SHINNING NIKKI , and now the recently released INFINITY NIKKI with 3D designs and insane graphics and open exploration mode , now you would thing the OG love nikki would get a massive improvement for being a cashcow product WELL NOPE , it even got to a point where to survive the game you need to spend forcefully becoming P2Wto unlock basic functions like fast sweet region and daily stamina gift and so on , meaning THERES NO WAY GENSHIN WOULD IMPROVE , the predatory act will get worst so thatplayers will spend more , financing hoyo future's projects
Pokke's chat and community were better before his Genshin arc. That said, I appreciate him trying to navigate these games with a bunch of communities that hate each other (or themselves).
I have been preaching this since the release of HSR and its QoL updates: Genshin is just a testing ground of what they can and can't do, what does and doesnt work for systums and mechanics, and what they can and can't get away with. Genshin was never meant to succeed to begin with because the devs themselves stated how surprized they were of their success. Suddenly it didn't matter if it succeeded or flopped: as long as they could make more successful content derived from this origin, then they were willing to drag it as far as necessary to further their success with ZZZ and HSR. It's why all our cries for better content and QoL have gone unheeded, it's why the story and events are so stale, and it's why it's starting to implode on itself now. As long as they can keep making money, they just don't care how it ends.
LOL you are so right.. Wuwa players like myself wouldnt even be in his chat, watching him plays genshin impact, i rather fly around 2.0 and farm echoes
I’ve been playing and spending on genshin since Day 1 and honestly, after playing wuwa 2.0 when I go back genshin I feel like I’m back in the prison. So I’m considering deleting Genshin for real this time.
After experiencing WuWa's 2.0, I can't hate Genshin and hoyoshills anymore, I just feel pity for them. I'll just support them with what they love and enjoy, bare-minimum and mediocrity, and if they hate what they can't have which is pretty much WuWa then sure go ahead hate on the game if that's what let them sleep at night
I stopped comparing Genshin to Wuwa for months now, since it's literally no contest. Now I just compare Genshin to ZZZ. "But Genshin is an open-world game, and ZZZ isn't" STFU! Both are still gacha games in their bones
I'm a day 1 Genshin player and a whale in that game. I won't deny my sunk-cost fallacy of this game plus addiction that was developed after 4 years. I play Genshin, HSR and WuWa. Genshin has a fantastic world and lore but the problem lies in the management team of this game. The artifact XP/resources are minimal, the rewards are minimal and you can actually feel you're not valued both as a customer and as a player. I was grinding for an hour in WuWa and I had accumulated like a 15-20 rolls and with the same time in Genshin in the recent 5.2 new area i barely had 2 rolls. Wuwa makes you feel appreciated and the great content it has from exploration to actual difficult battles is amazing. Genshin are the jews of gacha, I can't describe it any better.
Played GI for about 3+ years and spent well over $4000.00. Once I started playing Wuwaves on release, it made GI feel soooo slow and stiff. Kuro listens to its players and makes improvements every patch. And though it is still a gacha, it feels waaaay less predatory than GI. Wuwaves broke me out of Hoyo’s genjutsu and I never went back to GI.
"Mavuika and Citlali running at the same time is good, actually" has to be one of the most delusional arguments I have ever heard. Especially since both are only in the first half of the patch, unlike how ZZZ decided to put its two new characters for 1.4 in banners spanning the entire patch duration. Not to mention the bulk of free rewards comes in the second half of the patch with Lantern Rite. Trying to paint the Mavuika and Citlali banner as anything but greedy and profit-oriented is wild.
Just show natlan to any non genshin players and ask them what is the vibe they get. 100% no one will say its in a war. Just show Mavuika to any non genshin players and show the 1st trailers of each mihoyo game. 100% they will not pick GI as where Mavuika came from.
This pretty much sums up how EX-Genshin players feel and I'm one of them. I said from when I left back in Fontaine/end of Sumeru where we were getting burned out by no QoL and no one complaining about it, I might come back to Genshin when the story is finished but as of that time this is a waste of my time. I guess people needed 2 more years to start realizing that as well. All in all being appreciated and seen/heard as a player rather than a number is what boosted HSR and WW reception and opinion... *Sidenote:* I would very much prefer if you as a creator didn't mess too much with Tectone since this is my chill place for WW. I'd rather not see so much drama focused "content" since this just breeds more drama.
Good vid Saintontas, but I have a question for you. Why people from the gacha space community hates/dislikes the comparisons? Looking for the comments in every social media (ie. Instagram and RUclips), it seems people were pissed about the comparison between Genshin Impact and Wuthering Waves in every aspects (Story, Cutscenes, Quality of Life, and etc) from the person who made the content comparison (shout out to Gam!ng, Arukika, and the FP IG accounts who repost the video). From the Indonesian perspective (correct me if I'm wrong), IDN Gacha Community (also the global) telling that WuWa community is thirst for validation because the comparison of Traveler's dancing celebration in Genshin 5.3 and Rover x Carlotta dancing show in WuWa 2.0. They said that, people who loves to compare both of the games is considered as "not chill-person" and "childish behavior". IDN players also really hate drama A LOT, because the CC's (from western mostly) who "farming" content about why WuWa is better than Genshin with proofs and the constructive criticism towards Genshin because what the devs do worst things, like Natlan. So in the end, IDN players said, "F*ck the drama and f*ck the comparisons between two games. Just play wherever you want, because I play both games with the same theme. It's just a game after all, so why are you babbling and yapping about?". Honestly, I'm really tired of these comments when it comes to contents about comparisons and criticisms, especially from IDN players. Are these people who likes Genshin 5.0 - 5.3 story? I don't know, lot of ID players seems coping with the story and explorations because it's still fun, for now. I hope you can make a video about my comment, Saint. Greetings from Indonesia. PS: Tectone should make that video too why people are mad about comparisons and constructive criticism towards Genshin. Edit: Sorry, I forgot to change from "chill-person" to "not chill-person".
because its pointless.. like who cares about which game is being "better"? Let people happy with their choices. I never played Genshin, and WuWa is my first gacha game but i know why people choose Genshin than WuWa. Its simply cuz they love their game, thay stayed. This is like "why some people loves old-architecture rather than modern buildings?" We know that modern buildings is objectively better, but some people just love the way it is. Its all about preference, its not just because WuWa better = Everyone should quit Genshin and play WuWa. Just because modded minecraft is far better than vanilla, doesnt mean eveyone should play Minecraft with mods, as simple as that.
IMO, 1st, the usual "Stockholm syndrome" takes the lead for them to actually quit or switch to other game like wuwa, so they have to bring out something to 💩 on. 2nd They're mad but don't want to show to anyone abt how wuwa giving QoL for free instead of behind a paywall it's like "If I can't have that for free then I'm going to 💩 on it". 3rd They couldn't accept the truth that wuwa has better quality in terms of combat(or perhaps some of them can't follow the fast-paced combat in wuwa so they still sticking with GI) and graphic bc they need to bring up an excuse so that they won't quit what they have invested their time for. 4th is the worst, just one word, "genshin brainwashed white-knight." they will do anything to defend their game if they saw a thread that could do any harm to the game PS: I also watch those CC like you, and I like it bc you can actually see how kuro really loves their creations even the smallest detail and what they can do with the so called "low revenue" by haters compare to a game that making billions but still with the same quality
Dont know about other countries, but I can tell you both HI3 and HSR communities in Korea don't really like Genshin Impact becuase of Genshin shills going around these communities and shittalking on their game whenever the opportunity arises. So I'm inclined to believe most of the hate towards Genshin originates from all the players who were instigated by those few shills. Its not just wuwa players.
Played 2 years since 3.0. Done every fucking quest, gathered every chest possible on map, loved summeru bcs of massive world and places to explore, know every unit by heart. Seen Da Wei May Cry vol.1 and even then I hoped to things gets better. Meanwhile playing WuWa since day one so I had direct comparison how this game changed in every single patch more than Genshin did in last 3 years. What the fuck. 5.3 was my „Fuck this game” point. Everyone are crying about echo building in WuWa „Ohh I don’t have shit tons of materials to waste them on every single fucking echo”. Bruh, to build good character in WuWa you need a fraction of time and resources that those shitty Genshin chars need. Max lvl talents: 100k shell credits, 6/6 golden mats and boss drop (that you can farm 9 per week). Compared to 750k of Mora, 16 fucking talent books from specific region that you can farm on a specific day of the week. You can bumb 2 weeks of resign just to lvl up someone’s fucking talents. Not to mention LIMITED TIME EVENT exclusive Crowns. Now in terms of gearing: One game gives you shit ton of echoes to try them out if they roll good. You see „Cr/Cd/ATK%/Er/Anything” You are good to go unless it rolls terribly bad and you are min-maxer. Compared to: Farm 3 days to find ONE usable artifact with Cr/Cd/ATK/Something. You are rolling it, everything goes to Cr. Multiply that outcome by 4 (bcs offpieces) and you can end up with 90/100 Ce/Cd unit because, Guess what: You had unfortunate rolls. So I need to change Cieclet? Okay, I’ll sacrifice my next 3 weeks just for looking for ONE piece with decent sub stats. When I was playing both games I could make 4 good characters from a scratch in WuWa and still building ONE in Genshin. That fucking ridiculous. Everything about Genshin looks like Cheap copy of WuWa at this moment. Everytime when I’m seeing hoyoshills talking how much money Genshin gets, im started to laughing because the other game can be delivering product looking, sounds and feels even better than many AAA titles with the FRACTION of Genshin Revenue. Not to mention yesterdays Survey from Kuro. They literally asked us about preferences for Character designs not to made any abominations like we’ve seen in Natlan. Bruh, Genshin 5* could be WuWa’s 4* stars. And WuWa NPC could be Genshin 5* Kuro listens, kuro improves, Kuro is generous and Kuro care about our satisfaction. If my money is going to fill someone’s pocket. I’d like to give it to company who is delivering me 40h of good quality content every single patch and rewarding me with more Astrites than I could carry without Top Upping just to get C0R0 Character once per 2 patches, and new Nation once a Year bcs „We have shit tons of money so we will give you 7 regions once a year” Solon (Kuro CEO): „Major patch every 6 months” „We Promise, We Deliver” And I believe them. Have a good day Saint and everyone who care to read this long ass Comment.
9:46 I mean, yeah, why even waste you're time telling someone to not play a game when you can just use that time to play the game you want too play and enjoy.
I believe a lot of us loved Genshin as a game when we first played it, but then the world building started to go to shit, the story was cop out asf, the game play and QOL was stagnant, and the devs would never stop at any chance of predatory practice and then back pedal just enough to get away with it
Honestly, people who plays Wuwa and only Wuwa, even ex Genshin Player. They just don't care about how Genshin Impact is faring right now. The only people who still cares and complaining is always the one who still plays it. It's never about which gacha communities is doing the sh!t talking about Genshin.
I won't lie if I stuck with Genshin post-inazuma, I would have been a lot more pissed about it too But now I just don't care, I long for the say everyone forgets about it and I won't hear it mentioned around WuWa, because it will be clear of it
wuwa was never dying to save ..... its unique and great experience it has something other game lacks so my take is it was never in state " to be saved from " and yeah i play almost all gacha games so i am not siding with anyone , its my honest opinion
Wuwa banner predatory as well no? Last patch was xly and yinlin on double banner, this patch carlotta and zhezhi, so wuwa practicing the same thing as genshin or am I missimg something here?
Ones a rerun, ones new. The predatory part from genshin came from mavuika x citlali and releasing them in the *same patch* but didn't increase their release to 42 days...
It’s true though. Whenever HSR gives out new patch and better giveaway’s, players always compare genshin impact to HSR. Genshin players are always pissed and always call out genshin devs but they never listen. So it all steams down to genshin players themselves not wuwa who are dragging them down but their own community.
The issue now is how powercreep is going insane on HSR, not even Archeron can follow the newest characters, bosses having sponge hp which 300K dmg feels like 3K
As an ex-Genshin player, Kuro giving out premium currency for filling out the latest survey about what our ideal waifu type is: has anyone else know of Genshin doing this before I drop the “GENSHIN COULD NEVER”? 😂
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WuWa haters: Genshin player
Genshin haters: EX-Genshin player
That's me, to be honest. Dehya's release was already the tipping point; Fontaine was all right, but I didn't care that much for most of the characters; then here comes Natlan and I was like "...Oh." I'm hanging on for Iansan, but if she turns out to be complete balls (which is increasingly likely since the AQ is OVER and she's the only major character that hasn't beejn released yet, apparently still won't be for 5.4), I'm going out of my way to drag Genshin through the mud.
I really liked the game once upon a time. I went out of my way to get characters I DON'T EVEN USE! But after taking a break and playing WuWa, I'm questioning why I wasted my time and money for so long.
real. we are Anakin and they're Obiwan 😭🙏
so damn real 😂 i see it in my self
i fuckin hate jenshin bcz i played that game till AR60
nothing new, no more innovation, freaking dang character model recycle, worst powercreep, become super predatory when natlan released and all new features got locked behind 5★ limited? holy shit
@SageRuffin honestly, I'm intrigued to see how they'll release iansan with most of her english voice lines missing
@@Ehito12 me too 🙈🙊. Hahaha i spent unnecessary amounts for a c6 raiden....for what? 🤣
I am still trying to understand from where Mavuika bike came from, actually 0 sense in the world.
Bro, the entire narrative for Natlan is just so messed up. Not only was it immersion breaking for most people, it also lacked substance.
Fontaine was peak genshin. a shame they fumbled the nation of war so hard along with it's archon
Cool factor > lore
Nation of War? More like Nation of Singing Artists
Their explanation was basically magic dragon tech
Hoyoverse disguised it as "dragon lore" so their hoyoshills have some defense mechanism
MrPokke blames wuwa community for his toxic live chat while playing genshin but not zzz or other hoyoshill pretending to be wuwa community spamming his chat.
While he spent 3 days playing wuwa his chat filled with hoyoshill shting on wuwa 2.0 throughout his playthrough and he ignored them but all of the sudden when he plays genshin he blames wuwa community for being toxic. You see the agenda there
Look at his zzz latest patch under his comments. Calling wuwa mid bunch of hypocrites ( I play both games but I'mma point out the hyprocrisy)
@@alphaca3541 5.3 archon quest was so boring it made him read chat long enough to make him upset. 😂
MrPokke is out of touch since he always gets characters paid by viewers or himself, he has no perspective on what the average player gets in the game, even with some minimal spending. And the reality is you can't just "choose" a character, skip another, when some of these need each other to function at a decent level.. and most new characters have no lightcone alternatives besides the paid one
Either that or he has no choice but to shit on kuro and wuwa because of hoyo’s predatory and dictatorial contracts
Genshin could never comes from hsr community but they wanna put blame all on wuwa hahhaaah wht a joke hoyoshet .
@@youness4247 this isn't what main comment said or even talked about 😑
All this shit started with the Star Rail community with their "Genshin Could Never" xd
Yes, because Genshit really could never.
@@NanookTheSupremeDestroyer yeah given how many limited 5 stars I've gotten in star rail despite being f2p, it's actually true, genshin will never be generous, unless da wei resigns.
@@zephyrabysstrinity he needs some more $$$ to wipe his crocodile tears
You mean that Star Rail community of people quit Genshin
@@zephyrabysstrinity How's the powercreep?
The saddest thing is that the biggest haters probably loved the game the most im the past. They just have seen how bad it really was structurally and how much better they could be treated, even in a different game from the same company.
I spent thousands on Genshin, as soon as wuwa dropped I deleted Genshin and started wuwa, I can understand the Genshin players not willing to quit because of how much they already spent in the game
wuwa really is the genshin killer, but its not one shot nuke damage. its damage overtime that never wears off and only gets stronger every update
we just got huge poison buff from 2.0 and now they're going to add burning when 2.1 comes out (calling it now, 2.1 will be the world record of people saying genshin could never)
Yes, I played genshin the first day it released and I loved the game. It's just disappointing to see what it became and what It should have been
Nah fr I started playing Genshin Jan 2024 loved it, then fell out of love around the summer
Than Wuwa came around & opened my eyes
Natlan was deff the nail in the coffin
I pulled Mauv cuz she was the only char I wanted from Natlan but with 2.0 Wuwa now out, I’ve 100% dropped Genshin.
There’s just no point in playing it when ZZZ & Wuwa exist
That's me. Loved it all the way to Natlan. I had my qualms, like the 3 years 3 wishes debacle or the scam weapon banner. But Natlan is just bad. Ugly nation, bad story (except the captain stuff), and weird characters.
08:01 -- Credit where it's due, "The Nation of War" bringing a war to the fanbase was truly some next-level immersion from Hoyo
I've been having to preach that "Genshin could never" came from HSR ever since it caught traction early last year.
People magically forget that HSR popularized that phrase and that people were theorizing that HSR was an experiment to see what would happen if you listened to the community.
The hate for genshin has ALWAYS come from under the hoyo umbrella of players since hoyo thrives off of making people adducted to their games to milk as much money as possible.
Genshin 2
I think a big factor was that HSR started as "Genshin could never" but got progressively worse with insane power-creep and dialogue bloat. It's easy to forget how people looked up to HSR after that.
@@Gnidel To be fair, they make up the fact that they're so p2w with giving out many tickets, plus easier access to tickets through puzzles than exploring
@@nyes4596 Thats like lesser evil, still terrible
@@nyes4596 as a f2p hsr player, hard disagree. they only give out just enough pulls to get 50% of a rate-up character every patch and with the speed at which theyre increasing the hp of the mobs in the endgame, its become increasingly difficult to clear content in the game without having godly luck or spending money
Absolutely agreed , the most toxic people towwards genshin are the people who have played it a lot and then come to realise how shitty it is , myselft included. Once upon a time i also used to love genshin but slowly i startedn noticing small things that were just so fucking unbearable and it all hit me so hard when i played WuWa for the first time . ever since that day i havent touched genshin and i hate it exactly because i used to love it but it never loved me back as a game, ever stagnant piece of shit offering nothing but time waste with a few good moments
Yeah man... Same... I realized it too... Like a few days ago when I tried to spin for Mavuika's weapon and lost 50/50 and that's when I realized how stupid this system was... Why would a weapon need to have 50/50... I wasted a lot of money on companies that didn't even appreciate their players... When they losing their players... All they do is cry in front of the camera with no changing to the game... So I quit... Wuwa is better than genshin... It's not hating... It's just a fact...
@@Paan891 Good riddance?
@@Paan891 im happy that u joined us... i also was a genshin player and spend money to have the weapon of alhaitham...... this game is a drug i never ever win a 50/50 in genshin.... meanwhile in HSR and wuthering waves i already win 3 50/50 in sequences and is f2p friendly.... wuthering waves i feel so good playing it... in genshin i was feeling stuck and reading 20 hours of dialogue
Same bro. I still miss my cryo waifus but the second I played Wuwa, which I was actually hesitant to play at first, I knew it was over for Genshin.
Ex genshin player as well
I've noticed since began to play the game, the first area gives zero primogems and people came to defend "it's the first region, that's normal to happen" while wuwa got tons of chests with 10-20-30 astrites just on the first area
I firmly believe that most of the Genshin haters are current and ex-Genshin players (with significant play time), and most WuWa haters have either never played WuWa, or quit in the first hour. I don't have hard data on this, but a larger proportion of the gacha community has played Genshin at some point, and I suspect that most WuWa players have also played Genshin. At least for myself, I still play both games, but my interest in Genshin is holding on by a thread, and may get dropped as more games come out. IMO, Genshin is a good game at its core, but it's been buried in so many bad/greedy decisions that it's hard to enjoy the parts that actually are good.
Totally 👍 agree
Or you can just ignore all that and just play the games. Don't go on social media for drama bs and just watch guides.
@@xenoemblem7sure he can ignore haters, unfortunately it wont change the fact that genshin gameplay sucks right now its so outdated as if the devs doesnt even bother anymore, even zzz has better game ngl
@kyleee5210 Gameplay is subjective
@@xenoemblem7 why would i ignore bad/greedy decisions? thats what mintpickers do
MrPokke is out of touch since he always gets characters paid by viewers or himself, he has no perspective on what the average player gets in the game, even with some minimal spending. And the reality is you can't just "choose" a character, skip another, when some of these need each other to function at a decent level.. and most new characters have no lightcone alternatives besides the paid one
Saint still spawn camping and farming Teccy, god bless these duo.
Bless? Nah, god curse.
@xenoemblem7 keep yapping lil' bro.
Tbf, WuWa also have a gated weekly boss materials. It's the Calamity class bosses, the 3 tries per week. It's only that but everything else is indeed better than GI.
The point is not even being allowed to do the same boss multiple times in the same week on genshin. This way you can get only 2-3 talent materials per week. Imagine having to wait a whole week to level up a SINGLE LEVEL on your new character
Wuwa has 3 tries per week but you can repeat the boss u want, also there's only one kind of boss drop each so there's no converting sh*t using dream solvent that very rarely drops.
Genshin material bosses also respawn immediately, which is better than waiting two minutes in Wuwa. I was surprised they improved on that without anyone expecting it.
I finish collecting materials from the weekly bosses "I want" for my characters much faster and easier in WuWa than in Genshin; it's objectively better, to be honest. The only thing I can criticize about WuWa is the tuner, though I feel like Kuro has been showering us with tuners in every single patch lately. And, I've been rolling my Echoes stats like crazy so far and still have ike 600ish tuners remaining.
@@jkfangto be fair unless they fixed the plant respawn it still takes awhile t
If atleast they designed mauvika as an actual warrior than a rock band leader.
"If you're gonna start a war make sure to start it with fashion" ahh looking ass 💅💅💅
RUN THIS SHIT UP WITH LIKES WE NEED SAINT OILED THE HELL UP FOR VALENTINES DAY
I haven't even played for a year yet in GI, I started during 4.7. I loved it and even finished all the AQ and the world quests except in the desert. I used to play nonstop, learning the lore and the world of the game. When Fontaine ended, I remember being so hyped when Neuvi stated that my next journey will be the nation of war. I was so ready till it came and oh boy...what a letdown.
Crocodile tears will save Genshin trust trust
Genshin uploaded Capitano's cutscene from 5.3 on their channel and called it a "story teaser" while it is practically the entirety of 5.3's story, everything else was filler.
fr lmfao, we did nothing but beat the big bad guy (with 20 mins of drawn out cutscenes) in a battle sequence that does not hold a candle to rinascitas most basic cutscenes and bosses.
People masking themselves as being a part of another community is something that's been going on for ages. I first saw it back when Battlefield and CoD were at war with each other. BF players would pretend they were CoD players to make the CoD players look bad and vise versa.
I would bet $50000 that it's happening here as well.
Shït, there are whole subreddits exposing people making political posts pretending to be minorities voting against their own interests lmao. Tale as old as time itself.
How about people that enjoy both?
@@xenoemblem7 they wouldn't want to make the other community look bad, so they're not part of the equation.
@@PercyBoom69 so it's the loud ones
Completely true, I'm a day 1 wuwa player and idgaf about other gacha games (I played pgr, zzz, hsr and genshin but now only wuwa, just my own preferences), just enjoying what kuro is giving to us and not throwing sht or being toxic with other communities, why I would do that if I can enjoy beautiful waifus all day
the toxicity is necessary in transition to undo the brainwashing of hoyo games
The game keeps saying Xilonen was the one who created her bike, but Mavuika has been riding that bike for 500 years in the Night Kingdom prior to being resurrected 😅 it's in her character trailer with the endless road thing
Also cloud retainer built such things back then
Nah the bike just spawned like aloy did ☠️
Shhhh don’t tell them, they will get mad and flame till the rest of your life 🤣🤣
Mavuika = riding the bike 500 years
Xilonen = born after 500 years.
Logic ? Hoyoshill be like : it’s dragon tech boohoo
500 years :0 wow she must be genius
also the wuthering players that compare wuwa to genshin is also ex genshin player, who realises how sht is genshin😂
Wuwa saved itself with quality content. Who is tectone?
Bald angry dude who always makes dramas as well
Genshin 5.3 : Still no skip button, still no real artifact loadouts.
Wuwa 2.1 : Real Echo loadout
Now looking at you ZZZ/HSR
Oh we would be getting loadouts on 2.1? Demmm we eating good ❤
as someone who used to play genshin daily and once wholeheartedly said "this is my main game, this is all I wanted" somewhere in version 1.x, I haven't touched that game for months now. It's shit, and it's genshin's own fault why their game is shit
I do believe that most of the people that are hating on genshin are (ex) genshin players themselves.
I'm currently vibing in wuwa and I couldn't be more happier about the fact that the devs actually care about the community
Hsr and wuwa both have limited bosses every week. You can only do 3 battles to level up characters per week
Idk about zzz. But hsr and wuwa.. similar approach IMO. U can repeat the same boss 3 times so focusing on the char is easier. Also under each weekly boss umbrella u don't have to rng which exactly mat drop that ur char needs. Thou u got a way with that conversion stuff.. so it's not a problem if u are already long in the game..
@@SyrFloraZZZ also does it but it's limited to 3 times and you can only get ONE DROP EACH TRY
There's a box with seletor too but that can't save much since need at least 2 teams well built for endgame
But in wuwa and hsr you can get around 5 drops per try
Genshin its just random drops and might be none of the character you're grinding
@@Onigumo. Wait.. how..it between 2 and 3 right . Even at the highest diff on WuWa..
@@SyrFlora really? Got 5 once, prob luck
When HSR was generous: Genshin could never.
Now, when both HSR and Genshin are becoming pain in the ass I expect to see ZZZ could never. Then, when hoyo released another generous game and ZZZ became like those first two games?
I never played Genshin and HSR, the second because I don't like turn based game with RPG style while I'm currently playing Zzz for the gameplay and for some events where you can play mini games. Still I don't hate Zzz but if they continue to improve maybe I will still play in the future
9:45 true I don't even watch any genshin streamers live even wuwa streams, I just open youtube watch any cool/guide/info about wuwa then I just straight farming echoes and material for future upgrade.
love the background music
Pokke so dumb he didn't realised wuwa players don't watch his hoyoshill stream
In my community, genshin fans always start drama with other game
Shit talk to other, arrogant, and cluless
Right now, they become public enemies and everyone hate it.
What's even funnier is they play victim afterwards
They're probaably the loud minorities.
Rinascita's theme hits perfectly 🎉
This is the first time I saw this drama. Been busy exploring Rinasita, doing my best to 100% the whole region. Lol. Someone did the calculation, you could get 100 plus pulls if you fully explore the map and do the events. Wuwa players don't have time to get into that drama.
I lose 50² of Carlotta get her weapon and I still have 130 pulls. This patch is so full man 😩🤌
luckily I got charlotta + sig early pity and I can still pull for 2.1 characters both and still have 30k lunites remaining 🤣
@@CrowUIO I started 2.0 with 600 astrite and zero pity in both Resonator/weapon banner. Got Carlotta at 40 pull and her weapon in 70. I still have Astrite left for the next banner.
"The only true Genshin killer is the Genshin itself"
Thanks for enlightening us. Hoyo itself is the nation of war!
I play Genshin and I absolutely hate it. Have no intention of playing it further. Tectone is right in saying that majority of hate is from Genshin players themselves. Also you are right about even the most dedicated CCs quitting or not liking Natlan. Daily Dish is a channel that consistently made Genshin content but now she doesn't. She plays infinite nikke and says she is not into genshin anymore
rinascita takes a dump on genshins best story content, i recommend wuwa
I don't even understand about this bald guy.
"Saved this" "Saved that" "Destroyed this" "Destroyed that"
Those titles are click baits. He didn't do anything, just sat in front of PC and talked. That's it.
its all for content dont take it to heart lol. they just start sht and embellish it like its TV, its not for everyone
Lol wht u said bout us flying around rinascita is true HAHAHA wouldn't want to waste my time around genshin anymore unless they decided to improved their game for players.
You know for sure that Genshin fans who read this will instantly discredit this post by Tectone, just because its made by Tectone himself, not because they can disprove it, but because he said it
Why would they think.about their greatest glazer?
@@xenoemblem7 Hoyo is a million dollar company that doesn't care about you btw
Facts! The one that hate Genshin are either current or ex-player like myself. 1.0 Genshin player here and i dropped it at 5.1
Yeah, right
Meanwhile, actual Wuwa enjoyers are mostly logged in on the game, flying around, exploring the map, having fun.
The bills cannot be this high😫
Plushie friends ost my beloved
Okay though let's not be disingenuous, all the communities have become toxic cesspools waiting to bite at each other. What Mr Pokke was pointing out was the fact that Wuwa bots (i don't even necessarily think they are fans) were spamming things like "Play Wuwa, wuwa is better" and not allowing him to fully just focus on whether he was or was not actually enjoying Natlan thus having an affect on his rating of Natlan. He admits he needed to moderate better and not let it affect him as much. It is very objective of him to point out whether he had any biases in his rating.
Everyone, including the players, know Genshin is horrible and predatory but communities need to stop throwing stones and hiding their hands behind their back just because one casino is doing better or one casino is less predatory within an inherently predatory market.
Hoyo communities may have started and continue to throw rocks at each other or whatever. But to speculate whether people raiding chats are just hoyo bots disguised as wuwa fans shouting "Play Wuwa" in chats just seems like a stretch for how common this is becoming. Hoyo communities raid wuwa, other gacha and each other but similarly I don't put it above at least a small portion of the Wuwa community doing it back for revenge.
It's not defense at this point it's childish. It feels like just because Hoyo is predatory and its communities are toxic, people take it upon themselves to get vengeance or be on the same level. Wuwa is good so ignore the haters at this point because they are going to hate but a minority of the community acting like toxic fans is enough to put a bad faith image on the community, especially if there's no accountability that the problem could be within rather from outside.
Especially when people forget that back in wuwa beta people said "wuwa is the genshin killer" and ran with it all the way to wuwa's 1.0 release which was a DISASTER! The players clamoring for wuwa's success were attacking genshin players all the way back in fontaine.. So yeah.
@@nobody-xh6ii so real. Honestly, it's at the point to which it no longer matters who has started it, everyone is continuing it no matter the community. And I want to make it clear that "Oh but they are worse" is not an actual retort to a community being toxic. We are all just pointing fingers at each other and it's tiring. It also doesn't help that this community shits on genshin players for playing at a more predatory casino. If people enjoy hoyo games, then let them enjoy it. If people enjoy Kuro games, then let them enjoy it. If people like other gacha companies it's fine, most are probably playing multiple. At the end of the day we all willingly walked into a Casino, we have a choice to play something other than gacha so it doesn't matter which is better.
@@tirednessxnightmares1389imagine siding with pokke and his chat full of r/hoyogaming dogs.
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Tectone is practically a hero of gacha gaming community especially at genshin. most of the QoL that have applied at genshin were directly or indirectly influenced by tectone. the most infamous incident was the Staff of Homeless that is insane to the point hoyo have to add epitomized path on the weapon banner at 2.0 patch. it was a crazy times in genshin early years. and the leyline overflow event, that was tectone's idea.
dont drink the koolaid its funny ironically but every cc in the gacha climate is after sponsorships from games and making money from content.
staff of homeless is sooo funny to me tho as someone whos new to all of this
to clarify, ashikai is not quitting genshin. she's delegating less time to it because she's 'tired' and wants to prioritize current interests (like hsr) and work on irl training for post-cc plans.
At this point the best thing Kurobot can do is just let people play Genshin so people can realize how bad things is, yeah they don’t have to do anything when hoyo did it to themselves
True. And lets also not forget that Pokke ignored or didnt see that the GI players were literally doing the same thing when he was playing WuWa
I played Genshin since 1.0, release day, and i left it for WuWa and never looked back. WuWa didn't have the best launch, but players feel listened to, players feel rewarded for sticking with the game, players feel the quality improving every patch. Meanwhile i could scarcely remember a single good thing that happened with Genshin since release. QoL are slow, late, and rarely as impactful as were hoped, 2.0 storyline, to put it lightly, did not live up to expectations, and if you miss their launch patch, new regions barely has anything to do in except collect chests. No story relevance, nothing. Even characters suffer from this with many 4 stars not appearing in the story at all outside of time-limited events. And let's not even get into 1st anniversary debacle. That should have been warning enough about how Genshin devs view players.
I got mavuika there and I liked her, but yeah in comparison to wuwa, genshin doesn't feel good to play (slave since 1.1 here). It's very disappointing in so many ways. I wouldn't say it's dogshit, it would need to evolve first to became one.
The one who hate Genshin impact are the ones who tried/play it
1:44 Yeah, people seem to forget about the Dr. Ratio incident. Also I gotta admit, I used to like Genshin a lot that's why I hated it so much when I moved on to Wuwa cuz Wuwa actually gave me/us the things we've been asking for in Genshin for years and years...
legit im flying in rinascita exploring than watching
it baffling seeing these creator over exaggarated the issue just for the hate, show how small-minded you are. "Most predatory banner system among the current active gacha"? Just said you never play any gacha game beside hoyo and kuro lmao. Genshin is actually among the less predatory side in the gacha game space, other popular gacha like nikke and BA actually have 200pity for a single limited char, and dont even talk about japanese gacha which is among the most predatory one like dragon ball legend,....
Overall, is the new banner suck? yes. Should we complain? yes. Is it the most predatory thing ever like these cc farming? absolutely not.
In my opinion, I think natlan is good, but I also recognize that could have been so much better. And, let’s be honest, guys, Genshin fandom has ALWAYS been divisive towards the game. Twitter Genshin finds something to complain about constantly. I just hope that the communities begin to start pushing back enough that Hoyoverse HAS to say “that’s enough, we’ll make this game better.” One of the immediate things they need to do is not only add the skip button but stop constantly rehashing already given context. 5.3 was amazing in that it didn’t have you constantly going over old information.
One of the things people got pissed off most about was Capitano. I think that is also completely fair, but like, the story would have been so much less impactful without his sacrifice. That said, there’s little reason to hope they’ll be improving upon their game. For five years I’ve played- and enjoyed playing it in a personal capacity, personally I don’t like taking negative mindsets towards games- and they only increased the resin cap during Fontaine. They only had the switching mechanic added AFTER seeing wuwa get praised for it. Their models still look like bauble heads. I think that Genshin Impact needs to do two things in order to actually fight for its title back.
1- Rehash EVERY character model. Make them more realistically balanced, give Albedo and Diluc their fluffy hair, that type of thing. In addition, rehashing the character models would make them able to realistically change certain aspects of the overworld. We know they have beautiful graphics, we know they can do it.
2- Storyline. They need to resolve the issue with the characters being mute. Hsr has a problem with that too, and it’s why people quit before 3.0. One of my most frustrating experiences with Natlan is having to switch to Japanese for a good auditory experience. Kinich is one of the NICEST sounding characters on the entire game and he’s goddamn mute. But Ajaw isn’t? I’m 99% sure they changed Ajaw’s voice actress or paid her more. John Patneaude is very talented and hearing his voice acting again just might make people happier. Might. But let’s also address that lore theorizers like the one mentioned, Ashiki, are OVERWHELMED by Natlan’s lore. They feel that they should have dripped this lore out a long time ago. I don’t blame them. Those who enjoy Genshin’s lore feel overwhelmed and betrayed by the lack of content up until Natlan. Then there’s the MAJORITY of the fandom feeling infantized and treated like babies with big wallets during archon quests and world quests. Genshin’s team needs to stop treating their fans like they’re idiots and not rehash information every five minutes. Then, there’s Paimon. The incredibly high pitch of paimon’s voice personally removes any sense of immersion and enjoyment for me. I would actually prefer Ajaw, the backstabbing shit he is, be our partner. They need to limit Paimon. Start treating her like pom pom, a character who travels with us, yes, but more of the character she actually claimed to be. For right now, paimon is just a grubby little shit with a large mouth and even more stomachs. The part where she thanked Traveler for taking care of her was cute, and sweet. But I need more of Paimon actually being a travel guide with Aether/Lumine as the confused individual who has them there because they are useful. Paimon’s entire character breaks it for me. I have NEVER been happy with her character. She’s literally a floating child that I have to drag everywhere because she’s a clingy little asshole that doesn’t even provide COMEDY to any situation.
Sorry for the long post, and I applaud everyone who read it! I urge you to go to Genshin’s forums and tell them why they are losing their players.
And yes, they totally should change how wishing works too. Their weapon banner is less of a scam, but let’s be honest, it still is. If they’re not giving out more rewards, then they should lower their pity systems to compensate.
Genshin impact doesnt have a Iyo
i've been playing genshin since 1.0 until 5.3
tbh, i never hate the game until it hit natlan patch (in fact i really love the game before)
natlan has been like how the devs spit on our face on their lore build-up towards natlan region and the fact that community defend that atrocity just because they give lore based on dragon tech, where in fact dragon has build-up lore as almight powerful being that known for their destruction power (just look at neuvillette pre-reincarnation lore and apep). now suddenly this dragon have civilization too with their modern tech, like sure it was a plot twist, BUT MADE IT MADE SENSE FFS
the fact that nation in civil war have more interesting map design about war than the nation of war itself, its so pathetic how this player keep defending them by saying, uHHhH bUt THe WaR iS iN NiGHt KinGDoM BRoOoo
and dont forget about 'teyvat chapter storyline' that natlan archon will tell us a secret about teyvat, yet in 5.3 hoyo be like: UhHHh wHaT sECrEt?
lets not talk about how predatory they become with their exploration qol, after we SUPPORT THEM FOR ALMOST 5 F'IN YEARS
INSTEAD OF GIVING US FREE USEFUL QOL, GUESS WHAT THEY HAVE TO GATEKEEP IT BEHIND PREMIUM CHAR
'bUT u CaN jUSt uSE SaURiAn' FFS changing from saurian to my own chars are annoying af and it can barely walk (ITS SLOW AF)
and sanctifying elixir? what a fkin joke of a system
I played genshin starting from 1.3, quit when sumeru desert released, came back for fontaine, hated natlan and quit again to play wuwa fulltime
I can verify that this is true. When I first quit genshin, I was that angry chatter in many places. Now I just chill in Wuwa mostly and play a few other games (infinity nikki/ zzz).
I don't even think its simple as "ex-genshin players that looked at wuwa2.0"
since the dawn of HSR this shit has been happening, Dr.Ratio the genesis of "Genshin could never" was the first major blow
Genshin is the stingy anamoly on the hoyoverse ecosystem
as someone who played Genshin impact and quit it before WUWA even released, Yes Genshin impact is dead, doing same routine and there's no challange, HSR is way better with each teams with diffirent playstyle, and WUWA is just better, specially the new patch 2.0. ( I never hate on any game, just saying WUWA is a better gacha game )
That's sad
@@xenoemblem7 and that is ?
As a now ex-Genshin player, it's not hard to be mad at Genshin, when the game itself and the devs provide so much fuel, almost mockingly.
Natlan never sat well with me, and I got insulted for not liking it. But now, more and more players are making the exact same points I made back then. I quit Genshin after realizing that, despite liking her design and personality, Mavuika changed absolutely nothing about the way I use my teams, and didn't even feel fun to play herself. She has such a crazy moveset, yet I feel like I'm running her on autopilot. This lack of engagement with enemies just feels tiring. Reminds me of how Monster Hunter went from tough encounters with imposing dragons, to you showing off your best stunlocks against dragon-shaped punching bags.
2+ years with GI and after playing WuWa I couldnt even force myself to play anymore... ''Flying'' motobike for 200$ in magic/fantasy world is joke.
Not a big fan of Tectone, but this tweet is a lot of truth.
I never felt any incentive/desire to return to Genshin after I quit during the Chasm. Idk what happened, but I actually just started to despise playing the game.
I watched my friend play Wuthering Waves 2.0 and liked what I saw. I downloaded the game again and started playing because the QoL improvements and new content were very appealing to me. No regrets on returning to Wuthering Waves.
If it's the same case as Harumasa, where Citlali is free. I think people would be less infuriated, because the main damage source of Mavuika is her ult where it'll only charge consistently with Natlan character. Other nations can do it, but it is slow as fuck. The funniest part is, You can use Harumasa/Miyabi with anyone and it would not decrease their performance significantly.
That's actually the truth kurobots are doing their own shi*ts exploring Rinascita then making me as their Punching bag when they fully built their resonators.
Wait doesn't WuWa have a weekly limit to getting the materials from like those accession bosses like Scar and Jue?
Yes, but, you can use all the three you have for one boss in specific. Whereas in Genshin, it's just one fight per week. No idea about how it works in ZZZ or HSR
@@ivanmartinez743 yeah
@@ivanmartinez743 aaahhhh ok thanks for the clarification!
Your right why would we care about the 5.3 natlan when we are busy exploring reniscita while flying so true man 😂😂😂
Tbf, pokke's "tourist" stance if fair. If a person just wants to play a game they can, so him playing genshin is fine. However, throwing the blame on "kurobots" and "hoyoshills" is where he was wrong. If he's a tourist then he should've addressed his entire chat for the issues
mfw when the genshin competitor actually starts competing
Don't worry Genshit players, when Snezhnaya drops and forces you to pull for Snezhnaya characters so you can snowboard down mountains and ice skate across frozen lakes, I'm sure MHY will be thanking you for once again opening your wallets
The war raging in community wilder than Natlan
easy i think ppl are overthinking , genshin is the cashcow for hoyo , the same way it went from mihoyo to hoyoverse meaning a cashcow product will fuel and help other products rise , the money will never be spent on making genshin better its actually the definition of a cashcow product to bring money to the company while remaining unchanged or unimproved , the same happens with the chinese companies like papergames merging into ELEX , they made the cashcow "love nikki" a 2D low resolution game that brings insane money to a point the company was able to make two crazy quality games like SHINNING NIKKI , and now the recently released INFINITY NIKKI with 3D designs and insane graphics and open exploration mode , now you would thing the OG love nikki would get a massive improvement for being a cashcow product WELL NOPE , it even got to a point where to survive the game you need to spend forcefully becoming P2Wto unlock basic functions like fast sweet region and daily stamina gift and so on , meaning THERES NO WAY GENSHIN WOULD IMPROVE , the predatory act will get worst so thatplayers will spend more , financing hoyo future's projects
Pokke's chat and community were better before his Genshin arc. That said, I appreciate him trying to navigate these games with a bunch of communities that hate each other (or themselves).
I have been preaching this since the release of HSR and its QoL updates: Genshin is just a testing ground of what they can and can't do, what does and doesnt work for systums and mechanics, and what they can and can't get away with.
Genshin was never meant to succeed to begin with because the devs themselves stated how surprized they were of their success. Suddenly it didn't matter if it succeeded or flopped: as long as they could make more successful content derived from this origin, then they were willing to drag it as far as necessary to further their success with ZZZ and HSR.
It's why all our cries for better content and QoL have gone unheeded, it's why the story and events are so stale, and it's why it's starting to implode on itself now. As long as they can keep making money, they just don't care how it ends.
LOL you are so right.. Wuwa players like myself wouldnt even be in his chat, watching him plays genshin impact, i rather fly around 2.0 and farm echoes
I’ve been playing and spending on genshin since Day 1 and honestly, after playing wuwa 2.0 when I go back genshin I feel like I’m back in the prison. So I’m considering deleting Genshin for real this time.
Please stop supporting games that don't respect your money spent and time. Be smart
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Just play both dingdong
Stop spending money on a game that sees you as a wallet
@xenoemblem7 hes not man enough to be master at every game known to mankind 🐇
After experiencing WuWa's 2.0, I can't hate Genshin and hoyoshills anymore, I just feel pity for them. I'll just support them with what they love and enjoy, bare-minimum and mediocrity, and if they hate what they can't have which is pretty much WuWa then sure go ahead hate on the game if that's what let them sleep at night
I stopped comparing Genshin to Wuwa for months now, since it's literally no contest. Now I just compare Genshin to ZZZ.
"But Genshin is an open-world game, and ZZZ isn't" STFU! Both are still gacha games in their bones
might be a hot take but i actually like natlan and mavuika, finally an archon that lives up to the title for once.
I'm a day 1 Genshin player and a whale in that game. I won't deny my sunk-cost fallacy of this game plus addiction that was developed after 4 years. I play Genshin, HSR and WuWa. Genshin has a fantastic world and lore but the problem lies in the management team of this game. The artifact XP/resources are minimal, the rewards are minimal and you can actually feel you're not valued both as a customer and as a player. I was grinding for an hour in WuWa and I had accumulated like a 15-20 rolls and with the same time in Genshin in the recent 5.2 new area i barely had 2 rolls. Wuwa makes you feel appreciated and the great content it has from exploration to actual difficult battles is amazing. Genshin are the jews of gacha, I can't describe it any better.
Played GI for about 3+ years and spent well over $4000.00. Once I started playing Wuwaves on release, it made GI feel soooo slow and stiff. Kuro listens to its players and makes improvements every patch. And though it is still a gacha, it feels waaaay less predatory than GI. Wuwaves broke me out of Hoyo’s genjutsu and I never went back to GI.
"Mavuika and Citlali running at the same time is good, actually" has to be one of the most delusional arguments I have ever heard. Especially since both are only in the first half of the patch, unlike how ZZZ decided to put its two new characters for 1.4 in banners spanning the entire patch duration. Not to mention the bulk of free rewards comes in the second half of the patch with Lantern Rite.
Trying to paint the Mavuika and Citlali banner as anything but greedy and profit-oriented is wild.
Just show natlan to any non genshin players and ask them what is the vibe they get. 100% no one will say its in a war.
Just show Mavuika to any non genshin players and show the 1st trailers of each mihoyo game. 100% they will not pick GI as where Mavuika came from.
This pretty much sums up how EX-Genshin players feel and I'm one of them. I said from when I left back in Fontaine/end of Sumeru where we were getting burned out by no QoL and no one complaining about it, I might come back to Genshin when the story is finished but as of that time this is a waste of my time. I guess people needed 2 more years to start realizing that as well.
All in all being appreciated and seen/heard as a player rather than a number is what boosted HSR and WW reception and opinion...
*Sidenote:* I would very much prefer if you as a creator didn't mess too much with Tectone since this is my chill place for WW. I'd rather not see so much drama focused "content" since this just breeds more drama.
9:42 is so real
Good vid Saintontas, but I have a question for you. Why people from the gacha space community hates/dislikes the comparisons? Looking for the comments in every social media (ie. Instagram and RUclips), it seems people were pissed about the comparison between Genshin Impact and Wuthering Waves in every aspects (Story, Cutscenes, Quality of Life, and etc) from the person who made the content comparison (shout out to Gam!ng, Arukika, and the FP IG accounts who repost the video).
From the Indonesian perspective (correct me if I'm wrong), IDN Gacha Community (also the global) telling that WuWa community is thirst for validation because the comparison of Traveler's dancing celebration in Genshin 5.3 and Rover x Carlotta dancing show in WuWa 2.0. They said that, people who loves to compare both of the games is considered as "not chill-person" and "childish behavior". IDN players also really hate drama A LOT, because the CC's (from western mostly) who "farming" content about why WuWa is better than Genshin with proofs and the constructive criticism towards Genshin because what the devs do worst things, like Natlan.
So in the end, IDN players said, "F*ck the drama and f*ck the comparisons between two games. Just play wherever you want, because I play both games with the same theme. It's just a game after all, so why are you babbling and yapping about?". Honestly, I'm really tired of these comments when it comes to contents about comparisons and criticisms, especially from IDN players. Are these people who likes Genshin 5.0 - 5.3 story? I don't know, lot of ID players seems coping with the story and explorations because it's still fun, for now.
I hope you can make a video about my comment, Saint. Greetings from Indonesia.
PS: Tectone should make that video too why people are mad about comparisons and constructive criticism towards Genshin.
Edit: Sorry, I forgot to change from "chill-person" to "not chill-person".
because its pointless.. like who cares about which game is being "better"? Let people happy with their choices. I never played Genshin, and WuWa is my first gacha game but i know why people choose Genshin than WuWa. Its simply cuz they love their game, thay stayed. This is like "why some people loves old-architecture rather than modern buildings?" We know that modern buildings is objectively better, but some people just love the way it is. Its all about preference, its not just because WuWa better = Everyone should quit Genshin and play WuWa. Just because modded minecraft is far better than vanilla, doesnt mean eveyone should play Minecraft with mods, as simple as that.
IMO, 1st, the usual "Stockholm syndrome" takes the lead for them to actually quit or switch to other game like wuwa, so they have to bring out something to 💩 on. 2nd They're mad but don't want to show to anyone abt how wuwa giving QoL for free instead of behind a paywall it's like "If I can't have that for free then I'm going to 💩 on it". 3rd They couldn't accept the truth that wuwa has better quality in terms of combat(or perhaps some of them can't follow the fast-paced combat in wuwa so they still sticking with GI) and graphic bc they need to bring up an excuse so that they won't quit what they have invested their time for. 4th is the worst, just one word, "genshin brainwashed white-knight." they will do anything to defend their game if they saw a thread that could do any harm to the game
PS: I also watch those CC like you, and I like it bc you can actually see how kuro really loves their creations even the smallest detail and what they can do with the so called "low revenue" by haters compare to a game that making billions but still with the same quality
When 2.1 drops trust me you'll never stop hearing genshin could never
Cause what they're about to release will make that hurt all the more stay tuned
When 2.1 drops genshin will have a filler patch witch 50 pulls more or less lmao, it will be so funny
Dont know about other countries, but I can tell you both HI3 and HSR communities in Korea don't really like Genshin Impact becuase of Genshin shills going around these communities and shittalking on their game whenever the opportunity arises.
So I'm inclined to believe most of the hate towards Genshin originates from all the players who were instigated by those few shills.
Its not just wuwa players.
Played 2 years since 3.0. Done every fucking quest, gathered every chest possible on map, loved summeru bcs of massive world and places to explore, know every unit by heart. Seen Da Wei May Cry vol.1 and even then I hoped to things gets better. Meanwhile playing WuWa since day one so I had direct comparison how this game changed in every single patch more than Genshin did in last 3 years. What the fuck. 5.3 was my „Fuck this game” point. Everyone are crying about echo building in WuWa „Ohh I don’t have shit tons of materials to waste them on every single fucking echo”. Bruh, to build good character in WuWa you need a fraction of time and resources that those shitty Genshin chars need. Max lvl talents: 100k shell credits, 6/6 golden mats and boss drop (that you can farm 9 per week). Compared to 750k of Mora, 16 fucking talent books from specific region that you can farm on a specific day of the week. You can bumb 2 weeks of resign just to lvl up someone’s fucking talents. Not to mention LIMITED TIME EVENT exclusive Crowns. Now in terms of gearing: One game gives you shit ton of echoes to try them out if they roll good. You see „Cr/Cd/ATK%/Er/Anything” You are good to go unless it rolls terribly bad and you are min-maxer.
Compared to:
Farm 3 days to find ONE usable artifact with Cr/Cd/ATK/Something. You are rolling it, everything goes to Cr. Multiply that outcome by 4 (bcs offpieces) and you can end up with 90/100 Ce/Cd unit because, Guess what: You had unfortunate rolls. So I need to change Cieclet? Okay, I’ll sacrifice my next 3 weeks just for looking for ONE piece with decent sub stats.
When I was playing both games I could make 4 good characters from a scratch in WuWa and still building ONE in Genshin. That fucking ridiculous.
Everything about Genshin looks like Cheap copy of WuWa at this moment. Everytime when I’m seeing hoyoshills talking how much money Genshin gets, im started to laughing because the other game can be delivering product looking, sounds and feels even better than many AAA titles with the FRACTION of Genshin Revenue.
Not to mention yesterdays Survey from Kuro. They literally asked us about preferences for Character designs not to made any abominations like we’ve seen in Natlan. Bruh, Genshin 5* could be WuWa’s 4* stars. And WuWa NPC could be Genshin 5*
Kuro listens, kuro improves, Kuro is generous and Kuro care about our satisfaction. If my money is going to fill someone’s pocket. I’d like to give it to company who is delivering me 40h of good quality content every single patch and rewarding me with more Astrites than I could carry without Top Upping just to get C0R0 Character once per 2 patches, and new Nation once a Year bcs „We have shit tons of money so we will give you 7 regions once a year”
Solon (Kuro CEO): „Major patch every 6 months”
„We Promise, We Deliver”
And I believe them. Have a good day Saint and everyone who care to read this long ass Comment.
Why is a fire god wearing a latex suit again?
9:46 I mean, yeah, why even waste you're time telling someone to not play a game when you can just use that time to play the game you want too play and enjoy.
Yup and the same is already happening to hsr as people realize hsr's "generosity" was a bait and switch.
I believe a lot of us loved Genshin as a game when we first played it, but then the world building started to go to shit, the story was cop out asf, the game play and QOL was stagnant, and the devs would never stop at any chance of predatory practice and then back pedal just enough to get away with it
Honestly, people who plays Wuwa and only Wuwa, even ex Genshin Player. They just don't care about how Genshin Impact is faring right now. The only people who still cares and complaining is always the one who still plays it. It's never about which gacha communities is doing the sh!t talking about Genshin.
I won't lie if I stuck with Genshin post-inazuma, I would have been a lot more pissed about it too
But now I just don't care, I long for the say everyone forgets about it and I won't hear it mentioned around WuWa, because it will be clear of it
wuwa was never dying to save ..... its unique and great experience it has something other game lacks so my take is it was never in state " to be saved from " and yeah i play almost all gacha games so i am not siding with anyone , its my honest opinion
Wuwa banner predatory as well no? Last patch was xly and yinlin on double banner, this patch carlotta and zhezhi, so wuwa practicing the same thing as genshin or am I missimg something here?
Ones a rerun, ones new. The predatory part from genshin came from mavuika x citlali and releasing them in the *same patch* but didn't increase their release to 42 days...
yes, you are missing the point about the difference between putting a rerun character with a new character vs new character with new character.
It’s true though. Whenever HSR gives out new patch and better giveaway’s, players always compare genshin impact to HSR. Genshin players are always pissed and always call out genshin devs but they never listen. So it all steams down to genshin players themselves not wuwa who are dragging them down but their own community.
But the issue with HSR is that powercreep is out of control. Like it's bad right now that everyone is b!tching hard because of it.
The issue now is how powercreep is going insane on HSR, not even Archeron can follow the newest characters, bosses having sponge hp which 300K dmg feels like 3K
As an ex-Genshin player, Kuro giving out premium currency for filling out the latest survey about what our ideal waifu type is: has anyone else know of Genshin doing this before I drop the “GENSHIN COULD NEVER”? 😂
They better not read my monstrosity of a survey....