WHO'S THE GOAT? - Andy Murray & Novak Djokovic DEBATE on IG Live
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Andy Murray asks Novak Djokovic the question all tennis fans have been asking forever: Who really is the G.O.A.T. ? The two champions go back and forth as Djokovic weighs in on the criteria for the GOAT debate. We also get a glimpse of two rivals being friendly, a sight that was not very common in their earlier years. Watch as Andy and Nole really open up and go deep in this discussion.
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I agree with Andy, Novak is GOAT.😁
Rafa fan first, but really like all guys.
For me novak has to be the GOAT already. They are all special and it's been amazing watching them. But if I had to choose one? It's novak
Yes u are right Novak is the true goat
Novak has more chances of ending at the top, and I also enjoy watching him play the most as well.
lmao hes good but not anywhr near roger n nadal...i agree hes no.1 and tennis legend but roger is more appealing to watch...also yyoung ones like stefanos medvedev r getting close..!!
@@basha9237 Roger is so boring to watch him play, it's people that does not know tennis that thinks, he is not boring.roger know only to attack but when he receives the ball lower or higher, he is always found wanting. Djokovic has everything in his game,he has change tennis.when you go to schools or tennis academy, they teaches Djokovic's tennis with pictures and videos
@@mafiooato7233 boring? he may not be the goat but at least he doesn’t take 40 seconds to serve the ball!
Andy Murray be like nahhh What about OLYMPIC???!! I am the goat!
Underrated comment lol
when you look at the Goat list of active players, Andy is the closest to the big three www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/goatList
🤣 YES🤭
@@takoje732 I’m not surprised by that with the number of titles he has including GS’s, Masters, Olympics. The amount of SF’s and Finals he’s made in majors. He can be proud he’s the only one there with 2 Olympic Golds, he can take that home.
Golden medal loading….
I have a great respect and admiration
for those 2 big icons
Wrong, Federer is an icon for tennis and sport in general, world famous in the sports world.
Djokovic is the goat, Federer is an icon, and One of the greatest
In next 3 years, probably Novak 25 slams, Rafa 22, Roger 20...
Dont think so
@@ccjccj6224 legitimate to have different opinions if we can say for guesses to be opinions
Not unless he gets vaxxed
Nah, too many!
Almost a year later Rafa 22, Novak and fed 20, I think Rafa gets 1-3 more and Novak gets 2-5 more tbh
Win Grand Slam tournament beating at least one of top 3 seed player.
Đoković 15/18 (83,3%)
Nadal 15/20 (75%)
Federer 10/20 (50%)
Win Grand Slam beating one of top 3 seed player in final
Đoković 11/18 (61,1)
Nadal 12/20 (60%)
Federer 5/20 (25%)
Win ATP 1000 tournament beating one of top 3 seed player
Đoković 22/36 (61,1%)
Nadal 18/35 (51,4%)
Federer 13/28 (46,4%)
Win ATP 1000 beating one of top 3 seed player in final
Đoković 17/36 (47,2%)
Nadal 13/35 (37,1%)
Federer 9/28 (32,1%)
Win ATP world tour finals beating one of top 3 seed player in final
Đoković 4/5 (80%)
Nadal - (0%)
Federer 2/6 (33,3%)
Win ATP world tour finals tournament beating one of top 3 seed player
Đoković 4/5 (80%)
Nadal - (0%)
Federer 6/6 (100%)
Interesting facts.
Its unquestionable that nadal and djokovic faced greater competition in their prime, and thats why i think novak is the goat, but we still dont know how federer would do had his prime happened at the same time as the other two, and thats why i got Roger second and Rafa third, for now.
@@Tuca46 did u pick roger over rafa? U dont know shit about tennis
@@Tuca46 So true, Federer won majority of his slams in very factually weaker era, not even Rafa and Djokivic turned 23 yet and Federer wa already on 13/14 slams. TO put into perspective, Fed didnt win a single slam until 23 years....
@@Tuca46 If you dont know how Roger would have been in his prime, why did you pick Roger over Rafa? 😊 At least , be agnostic.
As a Rafa fan, I enjoy watching him the most.
but as the goat conversation, aside from numbers.. cause they all three have crazy unimaginable records, for me all them three are the goats..
There is no competitor and fighter against his everyone and his injuries like Rafa, No one is as skilled and play like an artist as Roger, and no one is as effective and keep on improving as Novak. all them three made each other even more better.
I'm really glad that I'm watching live the era of Tennis
Nice comment! I literally just made a similar argument in my comment before reading your. Glad I'm not alone.
I think ppl make this too complicated. Just take the most important criteria and you have your goat. The most important criteria are simple: nr of slams, nr of masters, nr of year end finals, total nr if tournament wins, nr of weeks at nr 1, head to head against the other goat candidates, all roundness AND specialty wins concerning underground you play on. That’s it. And i think we all know who is going to come out of it as the goat. The problem is most ppl dont like that winner since they have other favourites.
All those stats, like everything else mean absolutely nothing without context. If a guy comes along and plays on an era with nobody and rattles off 30/40 slams. Is he the GOAT? lol. Its why people have always argued it and its why people will forever argue it. So yes, fans of every candidate will forever have legitimate claims to the crown no matter who ends up winning the most.
@@redherring4119 no that’s a load of bollocks. Everyone can see Nole is the goat. It’s whether you choose to ignore the facts
Did you just use H2H and important criteria in the same sentence?
It’s nole 😏
@@yiorgos74p 👌🏽
I'm a Roger fan, but I think Novak is the greatest ever. He's proven that he's the mentally toughest of the Big 3 in the biggest moments. Personally I crowned him the goat after the AO 2012 after he outlasted Rafa in 6 hours on one day fewer rest after a 5 hour semi match against Murray. Since he reached his prime in 2011, Novak vs. Rafa isn't even a discussion. Novak is clearly better. Roger vs. Novak is a bit more complicated because their primes never overlapped. But Novak proved to be tougher at the USO 2010, 2011, and 2015 and Wimbledon 2014, 2015, 2019. I think Roger is still the most skilled and most beautiful player ever, but Novak is better at winning a tennis match.
Thoses matches between Novak and roger were during Novak prime and Roger ( especially at Wimbledon 2019 ) showed an Enormous level. He almost won the match and got the best stats in the match ( serve % , points won ). Moreover , his longevity is amazing . He beat Novak at Nippo ATP Finals 2019( Masters) at the age of 38 ! He also has the Weeks at number 1 record ...
I think we would know who is the goat at the end of their careers . Just wanted to say in this comment that Roger has some good strengths to continue in the goat race .
Sorry for my English, I am belgian
@@mrlipton4571 I agree with you, but with the way Novak takes care of his body and his mindset, I expect Novak to still be at a high level in 5 years too. Roger will always be the one who took tennis to a higher level. Cheers.
We must wait for Roger Federer to pronounce NOVAK DJOKOVIC ...and to be honest and saying directly yes NOVAK DJOKOVIC own my soul and he is the GOAT....
@@thsu8 novak does not have the shots that Fed has though. My favortirw shots are Fed And Sampras in different style od game.
I only disagree with you crowning him the goat in AO 2012, thats waaaay too soon.
It's crazy to think that Andy isn't that much worse than the big 3, yet there is a gulf of 17 slams between them. It is a shame really, because for me he is the 4th greatest player of all time!
He would've definitely disturbed the slam distribution b/w the big 3 if he was consistently healthy. That hip injury was so unfortunate for such a dominating player. The prize money tells it all. 3 above 100mil. Andy around 65. None nearby. A far 4th Stan @35 I guess.
@오겜달고나하는도중졸음에빠진문재인 why r u so angry? If I saw the last line first I wud have skipped the rest of ur msg. We are just discussing tennis. There is no need to get angry or egoistic. Do u have guts to use the phrase “learn facts before speaking nonsense” if I am ur manager at office or ur teacher/professor at school/college? Or, do u have the guts to use such language if iam a super well built guy standing infront of you? Please notice that it is weakness but not strength to abuse people whom u donno and who are online and so inaccessible. Stick to tennis… stick to the topic… what’s the point in getting personal?
And coming to ur point…
Yeah… I agree and I know that Andy is not on par with big 3 but if his fitness wasn’t damaged by the fatal injury I believe he wud hav won atleast 1 more major
And I love to watch Stan than Andy. Stan’s game has more X-factor. He isn’t as consistent as Andy but more entertaining to watch, to me
Please don’t abuse. If u do again, I’ll not read ur msg👍
This video made my day. Its 1am. But it should have been longer.
there's a one hour version :)
Career Slam Twice
Golden Masters Twice (Only one to do it)
Leading H2H record against both Rafa and Roger
Most Weeks as World No.1
5 ATP Finals
Enough to make him 🐐
Novak Djokovic (GOAT)
Olympic Games and Master Cup missing. Rafa have all of these and 20 GS. He's the real GOAT in my opinion.
@@garciatorrell7774
Zero ATP Finals Wins
Career Slam once (Needs another AO Title to match Novak)
Losing H2H record against Novak
Golden Masters : Na (Novak : Twice)
Rafael Nadal : Goat of Clay (No Doubt)
Novak Djokovic : Goat of Tennis
@@garciatorrell7774 Rafa has lack of weeks at #1 as well as not having what Rahul mentioned. He’s not the goat
I personally think peak rafa/nole/roger would smoke peak sampras/agassi/borg/mcenroe. Those three are physical, mental and athletic phenomena and it's insane that all three were in the same generation. I'm excited for the current new gen with tsitsipas/medvedev/thiem cause they truly can contest the current greats as roger is slowly fading away
What the hell Agassi and McEnroe are doing in your list !?
Wimbledon court has slowed down over the years. Grass always used to be much faster than clay but in modern day all courts are more or less the same. That is why we don't see serve and volley players anymore. The slowness of the grass in Wimbledon has neutralised the big servers.
Sampras at his peak would be difficult to beat on the old Wimbledon grass which was much faster than what it is today.
I think it's official now. Statistically, he will be the most successful player in history, thus, the GOAT. In his heyday though, I do think Federer was a better, more talented player. Federer squandered many opportunities between 2012-2016, which was a critical period for him. He was unwilling to change his game style and that cost him many titles. Now, realistically, he's too old to really stop Nadal and Djokovic from overtaking him.
Roger is the longest at number 1. end of story. success wise, he has more titles than novak. He is the most talented player. He is the greatest, but is he the BEST? no, I think the best player is novak because he is so much more well rounded. Something interesting also, Nadal is clearly the best clay player of all time, and that is something huge.
@@leithbouacida2483 Djokovic is now longer at number 1
@@georgestavrinides5082 nope. federer still holds the record.
Are you really sure that RF still holds the record? 😂 Shake your head and take a look tennis records 🤣
@@leithbouacida2483 Federer does not have the record, hasn’t had it for a while
Djokovic is the most accomplished all surface player and will beat out all records in the history of the sport. But this era will always be remembered by the "big 3" . In 30-40-50 years from now I highly doubt that anyone coming will match this incredible stretch of tennis history! Just an incredible time. As for goat by sheer numbers of achievement Novak is the one already by a million miles. Just go onto the records page of all 3 and Novak's list is double of the other 2 and he did it beating them in the process in the same era!
We should just wait until they retire then we can decide.
The h2h between Roger and Rafa is absolutely skewed with the amount of clay matches they've played, if it was more evenly distributed then Roger would have a positive h2h on Rafa undoubtedly. He's also basically even with Djokovic even though he's 5 years older
They've played 20 matches on hard court and 16 on clay
@@draganduga2781 Yeah and did you check grass courts? They played only 4 times on grass, Roger's best surface. So the h2h does not tell the story. Plus in recent years Fed has destroyed Rafa.
@@josephballance6100 there are no masters 1000 on grass so not many tennis players play tournaments before Wimbledon. Also all members of great 3 played 4 matches on grass among each other
@@draganduga2781 sure but that's not Roger's fault. If they had 18 or 20 matches give or take on grass then Roger would be up in the h2h undoubtedly. That's another reason you can't base Rafa's winning h2h as a goat argument over Fed
@@josephballance6100 find one guy who's played not 18-20 but 10 matches against Rodger on grass
If the criteria is number of Slams, Masters 1000, Weeks at Number 1, and Head to Head. Then Novak is the GOAT.
Novak is ahead at every category you mentioned . 🙂
that would make Laver the GOAT
Who's here after his Wimbledon victory? Standing along with Fed and Rafa with 20 slams?
No debate Novak is GOAT
Rafa touched Roger in Grass,;Rafa touched Novak in hard courts but nobody touched Rafa in CLAY.
Nadal has the record in history of weeks at number... 2. If you have the record as second you can't be the GOAT.
The game is between Roger and Novak.
@@fib1478 This is due to Rafa's injuries. To be number 1 it is needed to play at 90%-100% during the whole year. How many times Rafa's has done historical comebacks? For example 2010, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2019. Several of these years (clearly 2010, and 2013) Nadal was by far the best player in the circuit, but he was not able to compete few months, and this fact didn't allow him to increase the number of weeks as number 1.
@@fib1478 Nadal was sandwiched batween Rogers and Novaks prime
@@rustamghafari9585 A lot of excuses. The injuries, the sandwich... The fact is that he holds the record as second. Why now he is second. What is the excuse now in 2020?
@@fib1478 no excuse, Novak had a great consistent season. But theres also no excuse for Roger and Novak for not being able to stop Nadal winning 20 Slams. Theres no point in arguing anyway, everyone tends to call their personal favourite the GOAT
Love both of them- very real
Roger Federer fan here ,I agree novak is the true goat of tennis🐐 his amazing mental and physical power ,his fighting skills and his other stats are not be broken in near future,but as roger fan from childhood I feel elated whenever I see my Idol roger play with so much elegance and godly strokes and yes nadal is undoubtedly the most real gentlemen and greatest fighter out there in tennis.Novak is the real goat while roger is our real love(RF fans) .Fans need to stop berating others ,just enjoy th big 3 while they are playing instead of comparing .You can't just ditch/accept the other woman is better than your wife even if the other woman is most angel like because she is your wife (love) for a reason, so the defence/arrogance from us RF fans.
20 june 2021
Andy Murray" whose the goat"?
Novak Djokovic" It's a combination of slams, weeks at number 1, masters 1000 event and head to head".
According to the research, Djokovic holds the record for most weeks at number 1, most masters 1000 and leads in head to head against both Federer and Nadal.
In conclusion Djokovic holds 3/4. Although, Djoker has 19 slams, Nadal(20) and Roger (20), the grand slams are still to be played out with Wimbledon being next month and the US open in late august. The month in which I was born, where the haters will witness the end of the Goat debate.
Finally, the tennis world has to come to an,agreement, whether they like it or not that Novak Djokovic is officially the new Goat of tennis.
Welcome Novack Djokovic to the Goat club.
Novak is playing the best tennis out the three.Roger at his prime was the best,he's also the most liked player .Rafa is the best on arguably the hardest surface to master.So it's really hard to compare these guys
Rafa is the real goat
"Hardest surface to master"??? Well why isn t he the master of hard or grass ?
@@crab_striker1961 He is the master. He's won the same amount of slams Agassi won if you disregard CLAY. Happy !!. BTW Clay courts are the most physically demanding surface. And No one has mastered that surface like Nadal. OKAY. Now Fuck OFF.
they keep talking about the 3 guys - anyone ever hear of connors, borg and mcenroe - they ruled tennis for a long time. ever hear of laver and rosewall - they ruled tennis for a long time. borg retired early for personal reasons, not because he wasnt good enough.
and i am not knocking today's 3 players at all. i do not compare generations of sports. today's players have tons of advantages. and it really irritates me if i hear someone doing so. i tell them that their opinion is worse than useless UNTIL they put a wood racket in their hands, and try to play with it. and i would say that straight to the face of nadal, federer or djokovic if they were dumb enough to make that comment to me !!
i watched a player of today talking about his personal nutritionist, his personal chiropractor, his personal trainer, etc. as if this was all common back in the day. just absolutely laughable.
these 3 players are the best, today. the reason is fairly simple - with hard work, their skills are best adapted to the game, today. do i think they would beat laver and rosewall ? NO. do i think they would beat connors, borg and mcenroe ? NO.
do i think any of these 5 guys would beat today's 3 ? NO.
and that is not contradictory. because the game of tennis is not the same. there is no sport that i can think of, in which the equipment has changed that drastically. there is absolutely no comparison in rackets. mcenroe would not do as good today, because playing at the net has become way less important. mcenroe did not have good ground strokes. he had to win at the net. he was the absolutely best net player there ever was. today's players dont play at the net much. i saw mcenroe playing doubles on the net with top players, who were 30 years younger. mac was still the best player out there. all 5 of these players were different, but they grew up when tennis was a particular style of game. that style has changed a lot, today.
the skillset needed to win is simply different. and the athletes who had those best skillsets were the best in their time.
players talk about slams, today. they werent nearly as important back then. before the open era, professionals couldnt even play in them. and the french and australian had nowhere near the recognition that the other 2 had. and even wimbledon and the us open had nowhere near the importance that a full season had. and the end of year tournament. rosewall beat laver in the first 2 wct championships - that had way more importance than wimbledon - not even close. so even the goals are different.
yet most people want to compare the two using the yardsticks of today. like most things in life, younger people dont have enough experience to bring any sort of good rational points to the discussion. that may sound cruel, but it is also the truth.
Wow, I must say that this is the best post I have ever read about the GOAT discussion. I totally agree with you, but I could not put it down in words as good as you did. Björn Borg for example only attended the Australian Open once. It took much longer to fly to Australia at that time and the tournament was not seen as an important tournament. Even without playing in Australia, Björn Borg won 11 Grand Slams before he turned 26. If he would have had a time machine and got to know that the number of Grand Slams, Australian Open included, would be the most important number in the future and that Federer , Nadal and Djokovic won 20 times (and perhaps more) , then perhaps he would have competed in Australian Open many times and he may have continued to play more years. Maybe he also could have reached 20 Grand Slams.
@@pontusschroder8361 sorta hard to tell. from what i have been told, the clay back then was much slower. so it was even more difficult for non-clay players. so much has changed, that very little of it is still comparable. if i recall, connors had some sort of beef with the french open, and didnt play because of it. i think borg had the least amount of talent of the 3, because he was simply a counter puncher. but it served him well. mac and jimmy had very unique styles - that were never really produced by anyone else. of the 5 players, all had weaknesses, except laver. rosewall had a horrible serve, great at everything else. connors had a better serve than rosewall, but it was still weak. he wasnt gonna get many free points from it. mac had poor ground strokes, for a player at that level. borg was poor at the net. laver did not have anything you could exploit. solid serve and volley, solid forehand and backhand. those 5 are more comparable, cuz the game had not changed so drastically, like today. rosewall and laver were old, but still played the other 3. the 3 started out with wood rackets. although connors played with the t2000 aluminum racket - very little difference. if you put all of those 5 players at their prime, and they each played one another 100 times, i do think that laver would come out on top. not so sure about the other 4, but i think it would be close. all 5 were very good.
Novak is D GOAT
Nole el numero uno 🙏🏼👏
Wimbledon court has slowed down over the years. Grass always used to be much faster than clay but in modern day all courts are more or less the same. That is why we don't see serve and volley players anymore. The slowness of the grass in Wimbledon has neutralised the big servers.
Sampras at his peak would be difficult to beat on the old Wimbledon grass which was much faster than what it is today.
But one fact can never be debated that across all generations Rafael Nadal is the best player on clay ever.
It's definitely a combination of factors. I would be wary of going by head to heads though, as sometimes you can have a magnificent player whose game just happens not to match up very well with a rival of equal or lesser ability - like a boogeyman type thing. Surfaces also makes a huge difference. Federer and Djokovic don't stand a chance against Nadal on clay, Nadal doesn't stand a chance against Federer on indoor hard court and often not on grass either, and Djokovic always beats them both on grass. Each has their favourite tournaments too - Nadal dominates the French, Djokovic dominates the Australian Open and Federer Wimbledon. I agree with Andy Roddick that you have to look at a player's overall domination of everybody else on the tour over 10, 15, 20 years when asking who the GOAT is. What makes Federer, Nadal and Djokovic stand out is that they've won (almost) every significant tournament.
Federer - all 4 slams, tour finals, 8/10 Masters, Davis Cup (missing the Olympic Gold)
Nadal - all 4 slams, 7/10 Masters, Davis Cup, Olympic Gold (missing the Tour Finals)
Djokovic - all 4 slams, 9/10 Masters, Davis Cup, Tour Finals (missing the Olympic Gold)
When you have 3 guys who are close to a 'clean sweep' of the big tournaments, then they all deserve to be in the conversation. You can make a case for any of them. Rafa has won the joint most slams but also played in the least grand slam tournaments of the 3, which begs the question, how many WOULD HE have won without injuries? Federer has spent the most weeks at no.1, won the join most slams and is arguably the most versatile when it comes to surfaces (he's got the most even distribution of wins across the slams and is easily the second best clay court player of all time, he just always met Nadal in the French Open Final and always lost). Djokovic has a positive head to head against both Federer and Nadal and has won 17 slams with two other 'goats' to contend with - while Rafa and Roger won lots of slams before the emergence of the big 3 era. Djokovic's run from 2011-2016 arguably surpasses Federer's from 2004-2009 and Nadal's from 2008-2013.
It's basically very close. I think all 3 are well capable of winning more slams - unless Thiem can somehow hold them off by himself (he won't). Of course, if one soars ahead in terms of slams won (likely Rafa), that makes a big difference in the debate. But one thing's for sure - all 3 would be capable of hitting 35-40 grand slams had they not met each other in the same era - because nobody else on the tour has stood much of a chance. As fans, we're spoilt rotten just being able to watch them and tennis will never be the same again when they're no longer playing.
This, and also Prime Roger is to a part before the other two.
This comment didn’t age well
@@innosanto how do you say that Fed's prime is 2004-09? Because he used to win 3 slams a year? He was probably winning because he didn't have nadal and Novak challenging him in that Era.
I think this question will soon be over if it s not already
@@VivaRonaldo19 weren't Djokovic and nadal number 3 and 2 respectively in Federer's prime? The real weak era is this one. 1 slam lmao of players in their 20s. Djokovic just had to compete with Federer past his prime and Rafa who's great on clay and gets beaten on every other surface. Guys like Roddick, Hewwit would wipe the floor with this new generation. It's a testament to how great Roger Federer is that players like Novak 6 years younger than him still have to take 5 sets to beat him lol
The next tennis GOAT, will win more than 20 grandslams and is born in the year 2004-2006.
Me
Who? Is that you?
I don't think we'll get to see this kind of domination for a while. Someone who is born after 2010 perhaps.
Several criteria: Head to head, Grand Slam titles, Weeks at#1, Year end #1, ATP World finals, Masters 1000 titles, Tournament titles in general. Although I am a Nole fan thru and thru, when I take all the above criteria, I still give Roger Federer the edge for GOAT; for now.
And there is no Master 1000 on grass, that is the surface with less tournaments (only a few)
@@fib1478 True: Why is there no grass ATP Masters 1000 tournament? Your opinion would be as good as mine. Could there be a Masters 1000 tournament on grass? Sure if there was enough player/tournament directors/ fan demand. When I was a young child, 3 of the 4 GS tournaments were played on grass: in 1974 Jimmy Connors won Wimbledon, Forest Hills (US Open) and the Australian Open all on grass.
@@johnshearyo.d.5576 I think because clay and hard court are simplier to mantain and cost less than a grass court.
It's a pity, because fast surfaces reward the technique. In slow surfaces endurance is more important and tennis abilities are less important in comparison to fast surfaces.
@@fib1478 your comments are completely reasonable and I agree. Also, when I was young; there seemed to be more prestigious indoor tournaments then today, as the US Indoors in I believe Philadelphia and especially the WCT Dallas, where McEnroe and Lendl had some epic matches. The Masters at NYC’s Madison Square Garden was fantastic, both the quality and star power of the players, and the venue itself. I have really enjoyed the O2 arena as the recent venue for the World finals, too bad it’s moving.
@@johnshearyo.d.5576 Thank you for sharing this memories John, it's a pleasure :)
This one became simple for me: Tennis is played on clay, slow hardcourts, fast hardcourts, grass and indoor carpet. So the Greatest Player will obv have more success if his best surface has more major tournaments on it:
Rafa is clearly the best ever on clay, tho it's great when Novak challenges him on it.
Roger is the best ever on grass and fast surfaces, tho Novak has really challenged him on it.
Novak is clearly the best ever on the mid speed courts, while having some epic matches there with Roger and Rafa.
At the moment, more of the tennis year is played on Novak's surfaces. If that balance would've changed in favor of Roger's or Rafa's surfaces, they would've benefited (with extra confidence a huge factor too).
So well done to each of them for being the best ever at his own "speed of tennis" - while providing brilliant competition on all.
(The players from other eras don't compare, since they never pushed each other to as great heights as these 3 do. Roger with a wooden racquet would even has beaten the old Laver by being as skilled, but superiority in size helping him out on all shots)
Novak is on the same level as fed on grass and he is a awesome clay court player
@@toni9782 Murray also was also a great grass player. I would have liked to have seen more matches with him past 2012 where he was at his best with Novak, Rafa and Fed.
Novak is my favorite: such brilliant returning has brought much life into a game usually dominated by service holds...
For "greatness", do we also include how Federer has always been so respectful to all opponents, not making them wait hunched over for umpteen ball bounces and variable grunting...? you could say he didn't use every tic he could've employed to squeeze the life out of opponents to win, while his sheer skills (especially on attack) have been the best. I really hope he could steal one more Wimbledon from Djoker.
They're all 3 really great people, great leaders for the wellbeing of tennis, and Rafa's forehand and Novak's backhand have been from another planet.
Novak will surely have the best stats by the end, if nothing drastic happens. And Rafa and Roger will gracefully appreciate him surpassing them: they were his on-court teachers 2003-10 after all.
(And I remember when Novak was struggling in 2017-18, Rafa and Roger were so encouraging to him, looking forward to him coming back to his best!)
Djokovic I think is right when pointing out that those records are not by themselves good criteria to determine the goat thing. Something I'm not really sure about is saying Federer belongs to the same generation as Rafa and Nole based on the fact that they have shared the court for many years. As known, Federer and Agassi played plenty of times since 1998 until 2005, but surely no one would say they are from the same generation (not even back-to-back generations). Generations I think are meant to be considered in terms of age of the player and year when turned pro. Federer is a late 90s' player, 5 years older than Nadal and 6 years older than Djokovic. No wonder why since the last part of 2012 until Murray in 2016, only Djokovic and Nadal held #1. Federer's age makes him be a 2000s' player, but both Nadal and Djokovic are 2010s' players (regardless their achievements in the previous decade). I mean: obviously it is not the same having a 20 y/o Nole facing a 26 y/o Roger, and then a 28 y/o Nole facing a 34 y/o Roger (with Nadal and Djokovic obviously we can say they absolutely are from the very same generation); I do think that despite some ups and downs in level for injuries, motivation, mental issues, sickness, etc., in general and in the long run, they have all become better players with time (even they usually claim to have become better players due to facing each other so many times). however, in order to display the best tennis you need, not only technique, mind-set and experience, but also physicality in general. Once I heard an Argentinian former football player saying something I think synthesizes that (not literal, but something like): It is a shame that, very commonly, in sports the moment of your career when you are your best version as a player does not coincide with the moment you have your best physical form.
They only have an age difference of 5 and 6 years. Agassi is 11 years older than Federer.
@@rustamghafari9585 that is why I say "not even back-to-back generations", but your "only" clearly misses the point. A 5-6 year difference may not be relevant when comparing 22-27 or 24-30, but when it is 19-25 or 29-35, it makes a big difference.
@@claudioveradelcanto4157 your argument has no authenticity.. Djokovic beat Thiem, Medvedev, Kyrgios, Tsitsipas, Berretini in recent finals.. Thiem, Medvedev and Tsitsipas were in the form of their lives and very strong players yet despite a significant age gap Djokovic beat them.. So age is just an excuse..
@@changeisinevitable3040 being 30+ facing Tsitsipas or Medvedev at their best is not the same as facing Djokovic and Nadal at their prime, that's a fact. Federer would also defeat most of them up until he was around 37 yo. Also, my argument is Federer does not really belong to the same generation as Nadal and Djokovic, which is something mentioned in the video, so what you say has nothing to do with it.
Roger was not in his prime when Novak was so how can you compare. Roger would go threw Novak prime time
When Djokovic started beating Federer, wasn't Federer still in his late 20s and early 30s? I think that is still the prime... Also, longevity of the prime should be a key criteria for the GOAT discussion. Every once in a while you'll have one year wonders. He may be absolutely unbeatable in that year. But he can't be considered GOAT because people started beating him after that one prime year!!
@@chanchalnishanth8117 are you trying to use longevity as an argument *against* Roger ? He was world no1 as early as 2004 and as late as 2018 lmao.
Im one of the biggest Roger fan but he was definitely still in his prime when Novak was rising.
Roger wasn't in his prime ? are you sure ? So how did he manage to get to the US open 2015 finals, Wimbledon 2014, 2015,2019 finals, Rolland Garros 2011 finals, Masters cup 2012 finals... those are just I remembered. So what is prime for you if it's not these all achievements. Why you just can't have some logic in your thinking and recognize that Djokovic is better than Federer. it's that simple, C'mon man you can do better
@@mohamedelsaad4247 In that case we have to consider that Novak's prime started in 2007 (made a Slam Final) and have to ask why Novak only won 1 slam in the first 4 years of his prime...
I’m a big 3 fan. Used to think Nadal was the goat. But If you put bias aside, 1 more slam doesn’t make Nadal better than nole. Not even mentioning the fact that nole has been not allowed to play 2 slams this season, he has done things Nadal did not do. And Federer did not do. And no one has done. Weeks at #1 record set DURING the golden era.? H2H positive vs both. Win ALL the masters. Do it TWICE. First to win all slams twice. And there’s more. 16,000+ ranking points in 2016. 6/9 masters in 2015. Plus the tour finals. Plus 3 slams. 4 majors in a row 2015-16. Went 5 months undefeated in 2011 notching up 41 victories in a row including Nadal in clay twice. BRO HES CLEARLY THE BEST
It's about personal preference among the big 3. But realistically either Novak or Nadal cause both of them have a winning records against Roger.
I agree, but it is also the impact that a player has on the game and the persona that comes along with it. I believe Roger Federer is the best sportsman that walks on this earth till this day and that makes him te goat forever. His class and sophistication is unbelievable and the most enjoying to watch. Thank you for all agreeing!
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@@getrealcash apparently just u. Everyone knows it, including urselve deep down ;)
@@Youknowbigbalin even i dont 🤩
@@guruk who the fook is that guy
Don’t like 1v1 for deciding greater tennis players. Unfair to compare Djokovic and Federer for example when Federer’s prime was 10 years before Novak’s
Weeks no1 record 311 GOAT position sealed....all 9 masters Winer twice nobody else never accomplish this
Dos master del tenis👏🙏🏼
I had imagined djokovic would say well at the end of the day it’s not important to win one more slam or something like that, instead he confirms my suspect he is dying to be remembered as the GOAT
nick goat
It's Novak. Not even that close really. Close to an extent but not seriously close.
Nadal head to head in GS against Federer (10-4) and Djokovic (10-6). Simply the best!
Well, Nick Kyrgios has 2-0 up on Djokovic. What can Djokovic do about it if Kyrgios isn't capable of winning till he gets to the point where he can go H2H with Djokovic?! AO 2021, Nadal lost in Quarters whereas Djokovic won the AO. That's the nature of the game which follows KO rules. Be it GS or other titles, we should give more weightage to no of titles and win percentage rather than giving higher weightage to H2H.
@@chanchalnishanth8117 I agree with you on some points. The most important criterion to judge who is gonna be the GOAT should be the number of GS titles. It seems that is gonna be a fiery battle between Nole and Rafa till the end of their careers. But after that, the matches between them it's also important because it shows who is best in the most important matches.
@@ernestopascualrodriguez5658 it'd be tough to argue a realistic case for Rafa and it's largely due to his instability to hold the no.1 positions, I think that's what most fed and djoker fans know deep down that's something Rafa will lack forever, but also that he record doesn't tell the full story as 7 of Rafa's victories came at Roland garros and he built a very comfortable 5-0 lead on Novak in the 2000s before he came of age. Love and respect all 3 goats but just pointing out some bias in your stats analysis
@@Lil7672 You're absolutely right on H2H. Losses during the early stages of career work against newcomer. Davydenko has a win record over Nadal. He even had 4 match winning streak against Nadal. Does that make Davydenko a better candidate for GOAT consideration compared to Nadal?! :)
@@Lil7672 I would agree with you if there were a significant age difference between Novak and Rafa, but Rafa is just one year older. If we breakdown GS meetings statistics, Nadal leads 7-1 at the French Open and 2-1 at the US Open, while Djokovic leads 2-0 at the Australian Open and 2-1 at Wimbledon. My point here is that Nadal while being clearly dominant in his favourite surface, has been able to adapt better at the other ones that don't favor him
Footwork: Federer
Wer der GOAT im Tennis ist…? Ist ganz klar Djokovic. Da gibt es nichts zu diskutieren. Sorry aber einfach mal realistisch bleiben. Hätte Djokovic zu der Zeit von Federers Siegesserie keinen ernstzunehmen Gegner gehabt hätte Djokovic wahrscheinlich schon 30 Grand Slam Titel. Auch mal aus der Perspektive sehen liebe Tennisfreunde.
Objektiv gesehen ist Nadal der GOAT. Da wird jeder halbwegs Gebildete zustimmen.
Djokovic ist jetzt die Göttlichkeit den jetzt nadal und federer anbeten werden.
Nadals skalp wurde jetzt gerade genommen. Djokovic ist der baba die haben nichts mehr zu melden.nole king of tennis 🎾🇷🇸👍
Tako je Martineze Srbine
Murray is GOAT beacuse he just never achieved peak to not to dilute top three.
In my eyes they are all the GOAT, let me explain.
Rafa is the GOAT right now because he has the most slams and higher win % in grand slam finals and had injuries not happened would probably have more.
Novak is the GOAT because he has slight edge at the moment in head to head matchups and is the one that have best chance to win more.
Roger is most definitely the GOAT because without Roger raising the bar so high we probably wouldn't have Rafa and Novak reaching the heights they have. Roger started it all imo.
I like them all and we should try to just enjoy them all for what they are. Hate it when one rabid fan base talks smack against the other when like Murray said there are 3 and they are all playing right now and a argument could be made for each of them.
My question is do most fans think this era is more watered down than the older ones and that's why 3 have dominated the way they did? Was the talent more spread out in other eras and thus the grand slams not so easily won? Thoughts?
Djokovic will soon have more slams, is by far the best player of the decade and is better in the head to head. What else do you need? He is the GOAT
Way younger than Fed. If he was Fed’s age or closer, Fed would have a better head to head
@@thedoctor8 so as per your logic age is the factor. But then I didn't see Roger dominating the world tennis from the age of 31-34 the way novak has done in the past 3 years. Roger was also 31 to 34 yrs old at some point of time right? I didn't see him winning at least 2 grand slams a year the way novak is doing right now. Because when Roger was in his 30s, it was novak's decade. Roger had 17 titles till 2012 and Novak had 4. Now they have 20 and 19 respectively. Novak just ate up second half of Roger's prime. Even though we have to give Roger credit for his last 3 titles, they were impressive. But the truth is age had nothing to do with head to head. In fact it's just hypothetical thinking since there is no proof. On straight facts, without being biased, Novak is the GOAT. I am not saying you have to believe that, you can say Roger is the goat it's upto you
But saying Roger would have a better h2h if he was younger makes no sense
Since he was not doing the thing at 34 yrs age what novak is doing at 34
@@thedoctor8 Federer had to compete with Novak and Rafa in his 30s. Who does Novak have to compete with lmao? Federer who's 6 years older than him? Rafa who shows up only on clay?😂
Novandy is what people think Fedal is
I absolutely love all three players but some of the comments from Fed fans about Novak beating Fed mainly outside of Federer’s prime years... are you forgetting Nadal completely obliterated Fed on the first half of their careers and it wasn’t until the late 2010s that Fed was able to beat Nadal more often? Fed, to me, actually got better in his 30s. You can’t have it both ways.
Dude, novak is the goat because he dominated the most competitive era in tennis, thats simple, stop complicating. That argument about nadal beating fed in his prime makes no sense, there is something called a bad matchup, only because player A beats player C and Player B beats Player A doesnt mean Player B would beat player C, thats literally elementary school math logic.
@@Tuca46 Novak has to compete with Federer who's 6 years older than him and Rafa who shows up only on clay. What competitive generation? Guys like Roddick, Hewwit would wipe the floor with this new generation. Novak still has to go 4-5 sets to beat Federer who's reaching 40 lol
All Federer fans will be rooting for Danil Medvedev for the next 5 years 😅
Everyboby knows RF is the GOAT.
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Novak Doković is a talented guy, who, if he wasn't hardworking, extraordinarily hard-working, remained just that. Talent.
To that extent, it is an incident that arose from this people, who did not pay attention to the difficulties, to the problems, which are always present in front of every person.
No, he found and paved the way, his anthological and epic story, by honestly soaking thousands and thousands of liters of sweat.
The incident is because he started, from the smallest, without privileges, without support, without relief, without any possibility to bypass and skip something.
No, no privileges, life, from the conditions in which we all lived, including him, the bombing, and all the difficult situation in the country, after that, to sports, right at the beginning of his professional career, the best tennis player in the world Federer was waiting for him, and the one who pleads for that place Nadal.
Right in your head!
He did not bend, he did not avoid, he faced from his early youth with all the life circumstances, which stretched him, to receive blows and absorb them today. To be better every day, not a stubborn Balkan man, full of money, he does not work is, progressing.
He is not an arrogant simpleton, but a family man.
He is not a stupid gedza, but an eloquent and educated gentleman.
He is not a greedy and arrogant, insensitive rich man, but. is dedicated to man and rejoices when he helps, humane in his essence.
Not respecting such a man is really madness, they don't have to love him, but more and more, even the biggest opponents realize that he is something special.
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What a argument ! 😂😂😂😨😨😨
LAVER= GOAT
Why Rafael is the GOAT ????
Considering the fact that majority of major tennis events are played on courts unfavorable to Rafael and very favorable to Djoko n FED, Rafael is indisputably the GOAT. See stats: last 15 to 16 years
[ ] SLAMS (1 CLAY, 2 HARD, 1 GRASS each year)
Favorable court Rafa 15 nos. In 15 yrs
Favorable court Djoko 45 in 15 years
Favorable court FED 45 in 15 years
Observation : If slams were 2 Clay each year, imagine Rafael count of Slam wins.
[ ] ATP FINALS (last 16 years)
1 HARD INDOORS
Favorable court Rafa 0 of 16 attempts
Favorable court Djoko 16 of 16 attempts
Favorable court FED 16 of 16 attempts
Observation: if alternated between Clay and Hard every year, meaning 8 on Clay and 8 on Harcourt in last 16 years, then Rafa would win atleast 6 out of the 8 Clay events here given his history on Clay. The other would be shared equally by FED and Djoko at 4 each
[ ] ATP 1000
3 CLAY
5 HARD
1 HARD INDOOR
Opportunities:
Favorable courts Rafa 45 nos. In 15 yrs
Favorable courts Djoko 90 in 15 years
Favorable courts FED 90 in 15 years
Observation: FED and Djoko play double the number of ATP events on favorable courts each year. if 5 ATP 1000 Clay events were held each year, Rafael wins many many more MASTERS but now.
[ ] ATP 500 (total 13 nos. Out of which only 3 are clay)
3 CLAY
5 HARD
3 HARD INDOOR
2 GRASS
Observation: Obvious to see the huge disadvantage to Rafael. Only 3 out of 13 each year on his favored court's while FED and Djoko get get 11 opportunities each year on their Favorable court's.
Final word: so despite playing 1/4th times on Favorable court's, Rafael still has 20 slams while FED and Djoko playing on 3/4 times each on Favorable court's, they have 20 and 18 respectively.
ATP FINALS : Zero opportunities to Rafael since held on Hard and that too indoors. If half events on Clay, Rafael wins 6 to 8 nos easily.
ATP MASTERS: Huge disadvantage to Rafa again with only 3 of 9 on Clay and 6 of 9 Favorable to Djoko and FED.
RAFA is the GOAT unquestionably and indisputably.
Look folks , Tennis is the toughest sport to pick the undisputed / all around GOAT . All 3 players have won all 4 Major Slams , have all won 3 of the 4 Slams multiple times , and have been Number One player for weeks at a time . How do you pick one GOAT player from these 3 players really ?
Rodger is the GOAT of Grass
Rafa is the GOAT of Clay
Novak is the GOAT of Hard Courts
I mean Rodger has a case overall , but he has struggled against Rafa and Novak on Clay and Hard Courts Head To Head over the last decade .
Rafa has a case dominating the French Open 13 times over the last 16 years . That means only 3 other players have won that event . Federer / Wawrinka / Djokovich . Otherwise Rafa is 13 - 0 in that event , which is unheard of .
Djokovic has won the Head to head matches against Rodger and Rafa . Novak is the only player ever to hold all 4 Slams . 2 Slams in the end of one year and 2 Slams in the beginning of the next year simultaneously . He is the only player to have won 3 of the 4 Slams multiple times in separate years .
I just feel Djokovic will be the All Time overall GOAT of Tennis history . He is only 34 . He will get at least 2 to 3 Slams a year for the next 7 years if he plays that long . So when he retires he could have 30 - 35 Slams . Novak is a year younger than Rafa , so the odds for Novak to outlast Rafa overall are good . Rafa could play another 5 years at best , and maybe get about 10 more slams mostly on Clay if his body holds up . Novak is peaking at the right time right now , where as Rodger is 40 yrs old , and wont last much longer . Rodger may peak at about 22 Slams All Time if he's lucky . But realistically there is a chance Rafa and Novak get to 30 Slams a piece when they retire .
For me it's more easy, djokovic is the greatest hard court player no doubt, he's definitely the 2nd or 3rd best clay courter depending on Borg's ranking of all time and he's top 3 on grass. he'll overtake Sampras there and some may even argue he's a better grass courter than Federer due to his unbeaten record Vs him in the finals although I disagree. So him being top 3 on all surfaces, winning every grand slam 2x and being the only player to beat Nadal twice at RG is enough to make him goat and he'll also have the most GS by the end. All he needs is an Olympic gold and he's basically completed tennis lmao.
@@halwa9528 It wouldn't surprise me if Novak wins Wimbledon , since Fed and Rafa are sitting out this season .
@@Mysterio-Solar I'd be more surprised if he loses it tbh who's gonna even give him any competition
@@halwa9528 Maybe Tsistipas again ? 😂😉😳🙄🤔
@@Mysterio-Solar lmaoooo the new gen are all dogshit on grass, the nearest best contender is berretini and he's not even that great only way djokovic loses is if a massive server like isner rocks him early on
murygoat
No the 3 best don't play now. But among the 6,7,8 best, the 3 play now. It is not correct to compare slams when comparing other eras. In other eras speed of court and obligatory amounts of tournaments you had to play, and format of semis and finals etc would make it completely different to compete for slams.
And what are you based on to say that they are not the goats lmao name a single player with the longevity and consistence of any of the three or that won tournaments after almost getting his career finished by an injury like Rafa has done
funny....
Andy goat? Naaa...
a goat is humble. By thanking andy on head to head is pure arrogance coz he knows he has an edge over both. Humblebragging.
Anyways, the BIG three will end this year US OPEN or French OPEN.
No. Thiem wins both
@@justinsaehoon Thiem lost the french open.
Dominic Fur I’m aware
NEMESIS is fully prepared and waiting for him on Wimbledon again this year hahahaha all record will be broken down by the GOAT....
I didn't expect NOVAK DJOKOVIC is fully prepared and waiting for NADAL on his precious RG 🥇🏆🥇💪💪💪💪 NOVAK DJOKOVIC is unstoppable force and still counting
Chokovic wants to say himself but he can’t because he knows it’s about the slams 😂!!! He’s trying to say everything Else but he can’t say himself because he doesn’t have the slam record 😂!!!!
So you think that if Rafa finishes, for example, with 2 more slams but trails H2H, 5 masters, 2 YEN1s and 150 weeks as N1 less than Djokovic at the end of their careers, he should be considered as GOAT, is that right?
@@darknightrider9129 GOATdal baby! Slams is the primary consideration. Whoever has the most slams is GOAT. Other stuff only matters in ties.
@@goldwolf0606 GOAT of Clay lol. Only 2 Wimbledons, 1 AO and 0 ATP finals. Go to sleep kid.
@@normanosborn4372 20 slams fool... king of ALL tennis 😂!!!!!
@@goldwolf0606 weeks at number one, golden masters, atp finals, 4 slams in a row ?
FEDERER IS GOAT END OFF!!!
Nice joke
@@Jaojao_puzzlesolver Djokovic will win more grand slams than Federer but thanks to Federer Tennis has evolved to what it is today.
END OF COMM9N SENSE 😂🤭
It’s so easy... GOATdal... 20>17. hell, Federer’s 20>17 too 😂!!! Murrays trying to be nice to choker but he is dying to say Roger and Rafa 😂 all 3 are playing at the same time... the question was GOAT, not number 3 😂!!!!
313 weeks at number 1 spot>>>> 209 weeks of Claydal. 36>35 Masters. 5 ATP finals>>>0 ATP finals. 2 Career golden masters>>>0 Career Golden Masters. 6 times year end N01>>5 times yeat end N01. Go get some help kid. And Novak is now at 18 Slams so see you next year at this time.
@@normanosborn4372 nobody cares about number one except you Chokosquirrels who wish cheatervic could have 20 slams like Roger and Rafa 😂
@@goldwolf0606 Why do you hate guy whos won 17 slams and 81 trophies😂😂😂Yeah he still isnt good like Nadal and Federer but why hating? I bet He would trash you in a tennis game, oh and Federer is the GOAT kid
@@goldwolf0606 Oh and stop hating, you will never be near Novak. Kiddo
@@m05e1 I whoop Cheatervic at wii tennis all the time lol 😂 top spin 4 baby!