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Boy is stupid... sociopathic... literally
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No way to win a conversation with ben shapiro he is way to smart and prepared
@@proximacentauri9764 because people like you have selective hearing and only hear lies
Ben Shapiro is me in an argument after thinking about it later in a shower.
Davin Bradley fr tho😂
We can think in a similar way that he does but way slower. Hes so quick on his feet
Or when your in the shower
While in bed at 3 am, figuring out how to sleep hahahaha
Freaking nerd lol
“Say, 9 months”
Argument was done and over right there. Checkmate.
Nova okay give your educated pro choice argument because I have heard dozens and none make sense
Nova I will read them, I would just like you to know as well not all conservatives are pro-life. I happen to be bc I feel there are better arguments against it but some conservatives are pro choice
I also look at that as something to be much more deeply looked at.. conservatives create the environment for that to be freely debated. Take Dave Rubin (he’s a gay and pro choice conservative).. he’s celebrated in the conservative movement and allowed to speak at large conservative conventions bc he is open to dialogue. You won’t ever hear a pro life liberal speak at a liberal convention...
And to add onto that.. he created the environment of respect for people who disagree with abortion based on religious teachings. He respects that some people feel this way and don’t call them ignorant or slander them for having a faith system
Nova also, please tag me in your post. I scrolled all the way down and didn’t find any of yours. RUclips shuffled comments weird depending on likes/responses/ etc. and if you responded to anyone I wouldn’t know unless I clicked on the right one.
It's truly scary how comfortably stupid and casually evil some people can be these days.😬
The banality of evil.
Just as the Bible predicted, the day will come when the world will be so evil, that it will be much worse than the days of Noah.
@@patremtan8574 oh please u dont need to heed every word of a fantasy book
@@beckyg5952 It's a fantasy book that makes more sense than any midwit that criticizes it .
@@Dshlit spoken like a true midwit
Dude set himself up for failure when he defined “life” but ill give him props for standing by it regardless of the back lash of the audience
High school chemistry lab then Andover trip
So if a guy stands up in a crowd and states that we never went to moon, or a "sovereign citizen" states that he can "travel" with no license and insurance like the rest of us, and both stick with the nonsense they are spouting, that they deserve "props"? Insane.
There is a pre-existing "life" -- it belongs to the girl or woman. Now, Ben is free to handle the birth control end of any arrangement he engages in. If the tech ever gets to that point he is free to have the fertilzed egg placed somewhere in his body and go for it. He does NOT have the right to tell any girl or woman what she will or will not allow to grow in her own body. She is not a brood mare -- an animal with no rights -- no matter what he or whatever sky god he believes is in charge may want to think. We will not be cowed -- or horsed -- by you people.
@@ToyKingWonder Yeah exactly there is a difference between being brave/courageous and being stupid/or evil.
@@csiszernorbert3451 SUCH as carrying a life and then helping a desperate couple with a baby. That's brave and selfless caring.. The option is not wanting the hassle of carrying a baby cuz one doesn't feel like it. It's such a burden to make a sacrifice. It's a big mess to take time when I could be out partying. 9 months is a long time to bring great joy via compassion to millions of people who can't get pregnant. Decisions decisions... Get this out of my body ASAP vs doing one of greatest acts that one can. Sounds like being SELFLESS or SELFISH has become a calculous test.
Honestly this is the type of debates you want to see. The dude took it very well even tho his views seemed extreme.
JJ Ben made it extreme to win.
Extremely shallow, more like
He dig himself a hole bc when you compare abortion to someone in a coma, it's suddenly looks inhumane
He was civil yea
@@Duval-In-The-Wall It saddens me the little value people have for individual unique lives. This guy can argue his points, but even as a fetus it has entirely unique DNA set up for an entirely unique life. A life that baby WILL have and experience, unless comes the event of a miscarriage , or another person intervening and killing that baby . So simple yet people choose to ignore those facts.
The dude tried. The problem is that he prepared thinking about what to say, and not what Ben could’ve said
I understood the kid’s point, but he lost it as soon as Ben started articulating some very sensible counter examples. And he dug a deeper hole when he refused to accept that he was indeed wrong.
That’s one of the biggest issues I see with the world today, in all aspects. We refuse to admit when we are wrong. We are adamant in our positions, even when facing the truth.
Héctor Abarca while you’re right that’s an issue in today’s society, he is entitled to his own stance/opinion. You can say he’s wrong, but that would itself just be an opinion.
He should’ve left as soon as Ben said:”ok...”
Ben simply diverted the topic and made a analogy and the kid went with it .... He never once argued that there is no definite time for which a person will be in coma or that if the person is unable to take a decision then the guardian should have the right to make decisions for the concerned person !
It’s easier to win an argument when you’re with the truth.
Agreed
Exactly! I'm a man who stutters in some conversations but it's easy to prove facts than opinions so I win my arguments.
Agreed
Stick to the truth
Do not be distracted
Truth is power
@@lenirish
I still think there is room for opinions, often better than facts in this day and age tbh
Ride the wave of truth
Its the honest way
It's easier to win an argument when you stick to facts. This kid defines life using a metaphysical metric (consciousness). Had he just stuck to clinical facts he would have won. A human is clinically dead without heart and/or brain function. Ben considers an embryo to be "alive" at conception, in spite of the absence of both a heart and brain.
Ben tried to justify this by stating that growth of these cells follows a predictable, measurable pattern (9months), but so does cellular death. In fact many glial cells continue to grow _after_ clinical death for a short period of time until all cellular growth ceases and yet the person is still dead. So the pattern of cellular growth is a flawed argument. "It will grow into a living human therefore it's alive." That not only tries to redefine the life/death paradigm but it assumes that the pregnancy will carry to full term, which is not guaranteed. Flawed logic.
I love watching ben using 2% of his intelligence to dismantle an argument😂😂
😂 2%
I can’t tell if you’re insulting Ben or complimenting him, but if you’re insulting him, I would say him using only 2% says more about the people arguing against Ben than it does him.
@@itsZombieMan it's a compliment.
"Yes you can pull the plug. I have no issue with that." Friend inches away...
😂😂
Elizabeth Sawyer Ben should have asked what if it’s your mother? Or your boyfriend? Or you?
@@janicedevereux2839 true.
@@pokemontobias9721 what do you mean by saying "its not them anymore"? He is still the same person before he was in a coma. The problem is when he wakes up he will experience a memory problem which is fine. It's like meeting the same person again it doesn't make any sense that you will kill a person with memory problems. SMH
@@pokemontobias9721 yeah, lets kill people with amnesia!
It’s crazy how Ben can use someone else’s argument against them. Impressive
I admire those who can beat others esp at their own game
@@mollypayton2828 I agree, playing word games is not real debating. A debate is supposed to be an exchange of ideas, FULL facts and opinions. There is no beating people based on an awkwardly worded sentence
What the guy should’ve said is that when someone has no consciousness, memories or signs of intelligence AND they are directly dependent upon one specific person for survival, it should be that specific persons choice whether they want to carry the burden or not.
We can deem it as right or wrong, but until we ourselves can fill in that persons role as sole nurturer and provider, we should not have the right to dictate what they must do.
It's all about listening to what someone says. It's amazing how often people are inconsistent with what they say, and they don't even realize it because they've never really thought it through.
The other guy had just clearly not thought it through. Which seems to be the problem with the majority of the populations political opinions. His argument was so weak it collapsed itself, he didn't even have to really refute anything, just give him a question.
You know what I do respect, the fact this dude stood up there, said his piece, gave ground, and was respectful throughout. Though they, and we, may disagree that right there is how you debate. What a well rounded young man.
A well rounded young man? Did you hear the part where he was ok to kill an ADULT who is in a temporary coma and will be coming out of it with some level of memory loss? They guy is a walking, talking moron, a sociopath. How in the world is that "well rounded"? We might "disagree"? WTF?!
This is one of the best arguments I’ve ever seen, props to you ben
When I’m feeling brave, I watch Ben Shapiro on 2X speed
Legend says that time runs backwards at those speeds
@Aditya Bhardwaj you little daredevil, you.
Lmao
I can’t understand him even at 1/2 speed ;)
You are in some dicey territory
when he said "so lemme get this straight" everyone in the building knew it was over
It was so funny
Serves for “checkmate”
Yes exactly! "So lemme get this straight" finish him! Flawless victory!
It was fantastic 😂
The smirk in 2:13 tho😂
I use to be pro-choice UNTIL I heard a Doctor describe (in graphic detail) the "process" of aborting a baby. He was testifying in-front of Congress. Needless to say, I'm now pro-life!!! The video is still available on RUclips...it's absolutely amazing!
I remember that I didn’t exactly know what abortion was, I do remember that I knew the baby died because of it. Then I saw some of those same videos and I became a firm believer in the rights of the unborn
What’s the title of the video?
I think I saw the video, the Doctor had an adopted daughter that was killed in a car accident, and when he did a 24 week old abortion, he saw legs and arms of the baby and so after a while he stopped.
@@K-Choi - yes...that's the video. Changed my perspective entirely!!!
That was Dr. Levantine I think. He has a few videos describing the tools used for each type of abortion on RUclips I’m pretty sure. There’s also videos describing each kind of abortion in a drawn/cartoonish form.
Edit: here’s one link I found: ruclips.net/video/5THDmys8z30/видео.html
I actually worked with this guy at McDonald's when I was in highschool a few years ago in the vancouver area. Kind of a dbag so it's lovely to see Ben wipe the floor with him.
Yeah most are just desperate "Simps" selling their Souls for temporary sex with other equally desperate fools
high school chemistry lab
Ben slid that “say 9 months”, in so smoothly that I didnt even catch it at first.
Same had to go back like twice
You didn't catch an obvious reference to the fact that pregnancy lasts nine months? You're just stupid
@@lemongumdrop7388 im not. But thank you, have a blessed day troll ✌🏽❤️
@@Lee935 I mean, you are, you're just too stupid to see. You have an average day.
@@lemongumdrop7388 thank you love, you’re so sweet. Have a blessed day 😊 ✌🏽❤️
“Let me get this straight” DUDE RUN, YOURE DEAD
@@Robert_1685 Wait hold on. Like Ben said, a baby has no sense of identity, just like this hypothetical man with no identity or personality. But it's not okay to kill a child after it's born. How does that make sense?
@@Robert_1685 Hmm. Your argument is a well-reasoned one. However, technically, all human being are massive clusters of cells. We are all made of cells. All of these clusters of cells take roughly the same shape; the human figure. These cells, which are human, start life at the moment of conception. This must be so because if it were otherwise, the cells wouldn't grow. There must be life for growth, and no amount of feeding by the mother will restart a dead fetus. Hence, miscarriages.
So we have established that life must begin at conception, we all are made of clusters of cells, and we all began as a very small cluster of cells.
Following this logic, we must, as persons, have grown from those clusters of cells. Life does not begin at birth, because if so, the fetus must have been dead all during the pregnancy, which is impossible. And if the same life that grows the fetus from a cluster of cells into a baby is the same life that now sustains us as I write these words and you read them, it follows that we, as humans, were alive from the moment of conception onward, as humans.
@gradeaovera he didn’t twist any thing he said or put anything in his mouth, dude is just a freak
You idiot, he said
Just to get this straight
And that's why all right wingers are racists and bigots!
@@Robert_1685 i would like to connect to this weirdly and surprisingly calm conversation that you are both having and state my point of view. So to begin with I am pro-life and let me explain why with the help of the guy-in-a-coma situation.
The example that the guy gave us is that the person who comes out of the coma has no personal identity equal to a child that is to be born but may be aborted.
So. What I want to say is - personal identity is formed AFTER the birth. Personality however is formed during the prenatal period (literature on that - "one point of view by William R. Emerson, "Some complex cases" by Joseph Wolpe, "The person in change: the process as experienced" by Carl Rogers - this is just a few of the books on this topic that are based on experiments and valid medical findings, I really suggest you and everyone else read them because they are truly eye-opening and really reader-friendly). So. If for this guy what defines a person is PERSONAL IDENTITY and not PERSONALITY, then he is SOOO wrong for killing the person in coma because of his loss of memory. Memory isn't the only thing what defines us as human beings. Yes, it adds up to our experience in this world but as I said and as it is mentioned in this literature, it is formed. It is formed everyday and it would have been formed after the person woke up from a coma - yes, the memories would be different, the person's in question identity may be understood differently by him/her, but still, this chance of creating it again after its loss would be regained just as it would be gained after a child is born.
Another thing is that in my personal opinion, if a woman got pregnant - it is her responsibility to take care of her actions. If you got pregnant BY ENGAGING IN SEXUAL ACTIVITIES WITH CONSENT GIVEN, you knew that there was a chance for you to get pregnant. If a woman got pregnant after that CONSENTUAL sexual interaction usually she is in the known of the pregnancy after 3 weeks (statistical evidence, also). What is happening with a woman's body? An umbilical cord is formed, the baby is starting to develop internal organs, bones, tiny limbs and a primal structure of brains. Imagine what changes a woman's body has to go through and how stressful it is for the same body, that went through all that to experience a "cleanse" of it all. One of the biggest problems women face after getting pregnant AFTER an abortion is having a preterm birth or pow birthweight which results in complications during the very first crucial stages of a baby's development.
In my opinion there are just a couple of situations in which abortion can be a way of solving a "problem" - rape or risk for a mother's life while giving birth or having this risk while carrying the baby. If i am forgetting something similar to these situations - please excuse me, these are the ones that come to mind at this moment.
I believe that the change of abortion rates can only drop with the change in the way people act and how they solve the consequences of their actions : don't have unprotected sex, don't engage in sexual activities while in the stage (age) of not being able to give consent or not being in the known of the consequences of your actions (probable "need" for abortion at a your age) - these things should be implemented to the youth at their age when they may start to think of engaging in these kinds of activities (lets say from the age of 12-13).
Why do some humans not value human life? We’re supposed to be biased towards our species. If my dog is attacking a kid, I’m gonna harm the dog to make it stop.
Him saying he was okay with pulling the plug on the guy in a coma only because his memories wouldn't return directly counters his previous point on life being valuable *because of consciousness*
The guy would wake up and be conscious and aware
Ben takes 1st sip of water - 'finish him'
Ben takes 2nd sip of water - 'fatality'
Immanuel GWU This comment should have way more likes!
@@januarykeaton3880 It only let's me like it one time I tried! 😁
I also started laughing out loud at school. Lol
This priceless
Flawless Victory
You know something good was coming when Ben said "so just to get this straight..." The "lets say nine months" comeback was just pure gold though.
@Jesus Christ atheists: if there really is God why shouldn't He stop evil in this world?
...Several passages in the bible where God actually stopped or destroyed evil in the world...
Atheists: your God is a murderer!
@Jesus Christ context is extremely important my friend. Go read what it is about before you start accusing people of having double standards.
@Jesus Christ did you read it and study the context? Put in some effort and then we'll talk. Also, I might ask, are you pro abortion?
@Jesus Christ no, not dodging the question. Simply establishing a basis of knowledge.
The Amalekites were far from innocent. In fact, they were utterly depraved. What is more, they desired to destroy Israel (v. 2), God’s chosen people, the channel of His redemptive plans for all humankind (Gen. 12:1-3). The act of their total destruction was necessitated by the gravity of their sin. Otherwise, some hard core remnant might rise to resume their hateful act toward God’s people and plan.
Source: defendinginerrancy.com
@Jesus Christ As to the question about the innocent children, several observations are relevant. First, we are all born in sin (Ps. 51:5) and deserve death (Rom. 5:12). Everyone will eventually be taken by God in death-it is only a matter of when (Heb. 9:27). Second, God is sovereign over life and reserves the right to take it when He will (Deut. 32:39; Job 1:21). Third, all children who die before the age of accountability are saved (see comments on 2 Sam. 12:23). Hence, the act by which God took the children is far from merciless (see also comments on Josh. 6:21).
Same source as previous response.
You really gotta understand how smart ben is, to have this info in the split of a second without looking at notes... EXTREMELY impressive
I love this guy... He just leads them right to the rabbit hole and they practically jump in
i would get anxiety just trying to argue with him in front of a crowd
Maryiam Gani fool with no logic? And no you’re the stupid here
I pine for the day that i'd get to do that
Maryiam Gani “no logic” “I’ve been watching his videos”
a contradiction in less than a sentence. LmaoZ
@@cufo7806 wait how is that a contradiction
@Maryiam Gani no u
I pray to God that no one in this kids family ever gets into a coma.
truee
Or gets alzheimers!
Technically speaking he’s so stupid he might actually be brain dead saying all this nonsense so i say lets pull the plug on this dude oh wait shapiro just did
When you actually know the kid who asked that question 😂🤣
Amen
I find it so odd where people are amazed by Ben's ability to examine points of view using logic and evidence. There was a time when this was more the norm, and where people who just yelled slogans were easily ignored. And people seem equally amazed that he's not some drooling, grunting monster as he is often portrayed by those who have zero chance of keeping up with him intellectually.
Ben, the voice of reason in a mad world
Me: *gets put into coma due to car accident*
My family: shanking time
Lollllll 😂😂💀💀
The doctor should decide whether or not they want to keep the patient alive. If the equipment needed to keep that comatose person alive is his, he has every right to pull the plug cause it's his property. In the case of the woman, she should have the right to terminate a the fetus because her body is her property. You can murder anyone even children if they traspass on your property.
@@smaaash94 K
Know what time it is? Shanking TIME
@Mickey Merzon I am being serious. Nobody has the right to your own property. A fetus doesn't have ownership to the body of a woman. Is that too radical? Look into what Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater believed in when it came to abortion and you wouldn't find it so radical.
I love how Ben takes a sip of water after he roasts the guy.
Savage
After spitting so much fire, your mouth becomes dry.
@@valerie80yearsago90 You literally stole my comment, lol. I was going to say something like "This is what happens when you spit fire" :)
It's like 'I swallowed you whole now time to take a sip'.
Jared Sullivan he has too take a sip cuz he is spitting fire on that dude and doesn’t have enough time to put it out
He didn’t even have to form an argument, he literally clarified the other kid’s position.
The ability to process all that so quickly is ...superhuman
Yes, and he gets a lot of practice. He gets the same arguments and questions over and over.
Disagree with this guy totally, but at least he was respectful (guy asking question).
I agree. We should be able to have an open dialogue in a respectful manner. Especially with sensitive subjects. This is how things get done is when both sides listen to each other. May not agree but conversations can lead to longer lasting changes. Not putting people down because you have differing opinion.
Yes, same here.
Yeah, agreed, he kept a pleasant attitude throughout his "argument" not like most SJW nightmares who leave screaming.
And he kinda admitted at the end how he talked himself to a dead-end.
Have you seen other videos of his? He's not always respectful.
That "Say...9 months" part was the most genius thing I *may* have ever heard in my life! :)
Nice to meet a fellow Zachary
i wish i was named zachary lol
@@Zachattack1212 nice to meet 2 zackerys even though both are spelt wrong (my names spelt with a k and an e)
I agree, that was brilliant xD
Helena Rosno hey beautiful :)
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I feel for Ben having to clarify the obvious. This was great!❤
for a specifically and predictably short time, say 9 months
rest in peace my man
Getting an early abortion and killing someone in a coma are not nearly the same thing. We are our consciousness, not our bodies. If I had been aborted before I developed sentience, then my existence would've been prevented before I ever existed, and that is very far from killing me while I'm temporarily gone. If my existence is prevented before I ever existed, then it literally can't make a difference to me how it was done. From my perspective, an early abortion would be the exact same as if my existence was prevented with a condom, because in both cases I never got to exist. So how come one of these acts is considered very moral while the other one is considered morally abhorrent?
Kanzu999 life starts at conception, so a comdom does prevent you from living but an abortion is actually killing you because you are a life.
Kanzu999
Definition of kill: cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing).
You are technically alive and a person so you would be killed if aborted
Definition of prevent: keep (something) from happening.
A condom or birth control prevents the sperm from making contact with the egg and the life happening altogether, therefore it’s preventing a life.
@@Kanzu999 You existed before you knew you did. And now that you know, are you happy that you do?
@@tommuggeridge5659 If my body was kept alive but was brain dead for some reason so that my consciousness and/or mind can't exist, then I'm gone even though my body is alive. So yes, it would be killing my body, but it wouldn't make any difference to me. In the same sense then yes, an early abortion would be killing the "body", the organism, but in the end the body is not what we are, so if the abortion is performed before a mind could ever exist, then you prevented that person's existence before they ever existed.
I agree that life for the fetus/embryo starts at conception. I just don't agree that the body is what we are, so just because the body exists and is alive for an early stage fetus, it doesn't mean that it's inhabited by a person with moral value.
But I'm curious. Where do you think moral value comes from? What is it that makes an action/behavior bad or good?
Question guy: “..Yeah I’m TOTALLY fine with that.”
Ben: “I’m about to end this man’s entire career.”
😂
I know as soon as he said that I knew he was finished
It would be even better if Ben broke the 4th wall when he says that line.
It proves that it is possible for a pro choice argument to be so dumb that the collective rehearsed rhetoric of dozens of years of pro life activism can defeat it
At the end of our lives we all go to " choice " amen.
Honestly I was moderately pro choice but after hearing this, I'm rethinking some things
The person is not entitled to new memories????? this guy is off his rocker
I freaking died when he said “say 9 months”
Sameeeee
We all did
I didn’t get it, can you please explain
Ruvim Bond he’s tryna make an argument using someone in a comma as an example, he says someone in a comma for a short, predictable amount of time, for example nine months” . He’s kinda using it as a joke because pregnancy lasts 9 months
CHIVA99 oh, thank you
I absolutely love how Ben says, “Let me get this straight” and the entire crowd knows what’s about to happen
And the guy was thinking “So this is how my reputation ends once and for all”
Its his version of " so you are saying"
Great job copying and pasting someone else's joke ;)
It was at this moment the guy in the audience knew he fucked up! 😂😂😂
Its nice you can see him take a second and then boom. Unleashing the pain
As much as this is a hilarious exchange, at least they are actually talking and not shouting at each other. You will not win over your opponent's support by screaming at them...
high school chemistry lab...
"the babies can recognise their parent's voices after they're born."
They can also recognise their parent's voices *before* they're born.
My dad was in a bad wreck in his early 20s and was in a coma for several months. Completely forgot everything. How to walk, talk. So you'd kill him. He relearned everything, fathered 6 kids, went to college and got several degrees and even started a company. Just cause they lost their memory doesn't mean they can't relearn
The first thing a thought about, when I heard the young dudes "totally fine": ....aaaand amnesia? Sorry and happy at the same time to hear your dad's story. Thank God some people with brains were in charge.
6 kids !!! Really not necessary.
"So you'd kill him" No. He said he would've given the family a choice what to do with him. If he wasn't awakening for 10 years then perhaps it would be a decision to make.
@@bertiewooster3326 I don't really think you were necessary but here we are 😂😂
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When Ben said: "Just to get this straight"
You know Ben was gonna wreck that guy
How many orphans in America right now? If you’re against abortion then adopt an orphan. Put your money where your mouth is.
@@jackknife5062 Isnt the goal of adoption to put these kids in the best scenario possible? Why are assuming that the person reading this who is pro life can take in a child and raise them as good as another person might be able to? Orphans deserve the best life possible, not u just to be thrown out to a pro life commenter because some ignorant asshole tries to guilt trip them into dong that.
@@supremehighlights7819if orphans deserve the best life all children deserve the best life possible and you said it yourself... a lot of people just can't provide that. If youre against abortions... Dont get one. Its that simple. Now on to my second point. Whats the one middle eastern government that has commited acts of terrorism against America? ...Israel. Ben shapiro supports israel. Ben shapiro is all for Israel. Hes not with you... Hes against you.. We're gentiles remember... I dont know why people support this guy knowing hes Jewish.
You're a racist and evil than a Fascist Nazi. There is too much fallacy in your statement, and the facts you provided are inaccurate and biased.
@@QuangNguyen-rx3tv while I think abortions should be illegal, your comment has no logic behind it and instead is full of insults. sounds like something a snowflake would say.
Glad he's not my son. I would be scared to death if i ended up in the hospital and he would tell the doctors to pull the plug even if i would have survived.
"you're getting into some dicey territory dude". Ben pulled that phrase right out of my mind
I don’t think I’d even win a debate with Ben as to why my left foot is better than my right.
You deserve more likes than this.
@@hey_thankstommy5269 Yo he really does
Ruben Arzola u right his voice makes me wanna strangle him
To be fair, this guy was really easy.. Anyone could say why killing someone in a 9 month coma is fucking insane murder.. He started out sounding like a smart guy, and then he said THAT... Like what the fuck?
Ruben Arzola I’d win a debate on why Jesus is God
Hello, I'm a bilingual here, just to let you know that "Just to get this straight" is Shapirish for Checkmate (3:17)
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Boo-ya for Shapiro!!!!!!!!!!! Spoken like a man who has a conscience and a brain 🧠 God bless you Ben!!!!!!!!!!!
He entertained us all by giving it “the old college try”. Taking risk can be admirable. ✌️
Ben just sat back and allowed his opponent to destroy himself. That easy.
@T K Interesting. I would say that Ben Shapiro is libertarian-conservative in most areas. So are you a liberal pro-lifer? Thats a rare breed these days
Only because the guy was clearly out of his depth in debating the issue, not because Ben is necessarily right. Within the first trimester the fetus does not have a fully developed brain and has yet to attain brainwave activity. An Alzheimer's patient does still have brainwave activity and therefore his comparison is flawed and falls apart right there, only the guy debating him didn't pick up on that.
@@RadicalUnderstanding And yet it doesn't begin to exhibit brain activity until within 5 to six week of conception. And even then it cannot feel pain, as it is unable to do so until at least 12 weeks in to the pregnancy. If it can be aborted without any suffering what so ever then I see nothing ethically wrong with it. I mean if we're going to respect the bodily autonomy of the woman it strikes me as a no brain. Put it this way. If a mother, or even a father for that matter had a child that was in need of bone marrow transplant and either one could donate their own to save their child's life would they be obligated to do so? I mean we can't begin forcing people to donate their essentially have their body used against their will to benefit another, so why should a woman be forced against to have hers in the benefit of a fetus. It just strikes me as inconsistent when it comes to anatomical rights to prevent a woman to have an abortion on those moralistic grounds alone.
@@robertmcelwaine7024 yes but that child is going to be perfectly fine when it fully develops. Just like the person in a coma they may not feel anything right now but later may or will get better.
@@charliehendrix1265 Poor analogy. A coma patient doesn't benefit via the autonomy of someone else to go on living whereas a fetus does. Therefore you can't ignore the anatomical rights of the mother. If she wouldn't be morally obligated to have any part of her body used to benefit her child after it's born then why should she therefore be obligated to carry an unborn fetus that is benefiting the from the use of her body against her will? Otherwise there is an inconsistency in her anatomical rights. Sorry, but her rights trump those of a fetus that isn't even yet fully developed, and it's not as if it would make any difference to a child that never go on to fully exist.
2:05 At that point, I'm done, my best friend was in a coma for over 3 months and was barely able to walk and talk for weeks after awaking and now he's one of the most alive and happiest people I've ever met...
Is he still the same person? Did he maintain his personality?
@@ignostic7694 I can't say because I haven't known him that long to witness or see him in the hospital, it happened when he was a kid but I'd say he's still awesome as usual
@@lexnardone5602 so much for a best friend or so much for a sappy story...
@@bazileia9222 Yeah? How about the fact that we had such a good bromance relationship with me knowing him for less than 2 years says there's something more to the story, you're literally mocking my friend who nearly died while he was in his coma? He's older than me but it still stands we can still be great friends regardless, what point does it make for me to know EXACTLY how long he was comatose or EXACTLY how his body was changed from pre-coma to post-coma?
@@lexnardone5602 I was in no sense mocking your friend, what is with all this victim mentality, I was mocking your claim on being beste friends, but you never bothered to know the man before ge was in coma?...
he is so quick that it makes me think his mouth cannot keep up with his brain
I can really be supportive of the way Ben stands loud and proud. Glad to say he was there for speaking the truth to foolishish.
The saddest thing is this dudes logic will be on the internet forever
Ilogic
Throughout human history 😅
Haha, the saddest thing will be if he doesn’t change his opinion
His foolishness, you mean. It's amusing watching someone dig themselves into a deeper and deeper hole, without any sense of it. I loved it when the student finally dug himself so far down that he couldn't counter his own argument that killing Fluffy the Hamster is deeply wrong, but killing a person because they're in a coma and might lose their memory is okay. I'm reminded of that wonderful maxim, "The first thing you do when you realize you're digging yourself into a hole is STOP DIGGING." :)
@@rowanaforrest9792 to play devil's advocate, not "memory problems", but total amnesia.
Legend says Ben wins arguments with his wife
Impossible but good point :)
now that is an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object
Not with her dry af p wordddd lmao
@@morteza.a2210 a man of culture
@@nicolemarshall5235 oooo we have a karen in here talking from experience💀💀
That dude is probably one of those guys who go after Shapiro in social media, but when they are face to face this is what happens.
show until
I don’t agree with the young man (abortion is wrong and life begins at conception), but I think he handled the laughing quite well and maintained his composure without getting defensively angry - that says something, I think. I felt embarrassed for him and thought he managed it well.
"Don't stop your enemy when they're making a mistake"
Answer the fool according to their folly
@@DougWarner25 fucking legend
Hope this guy's family member never ends up in a coma. Who knows what would happen
I thought the same thing. If this person's loved ones ever slip into a coma, they are screwed.
His family watching this like 👀
He'd probably act a lot different than what he said he would.
Don't worry, his hamster will live.
@Neevan Thapa Don't hope that somebody doesn't fall into a coma? So, hope they fall into a coma?
Just teasing; however, we have surpassed politics, this isn't just what are we gonna do with this land, how are we gonna make this trade, etc. This is to the point of questioning one another's morality. What we define as murder. Our identities and beliefs. I don't know about you but I couldn't be friends with somebody who believes killing a baby, or in this instance, a person in a coma for 9 months with memory problems is morally right.
I love seeing Ben smile as he is setting up for the “gotcha”! Based on logical arguments and facts. Well done!😊
He would have no problem with that until it’s his relative.
High school chemistry lab then Andover trip
Funny how he brought up how babies can recognize their parents voice as soon as they are born....wouldn’t that mean they are capable of building bonds and memories in the womb? Smh 🤦♀️
Actually babies recognize sounds and their mothers voice inside the womb
@@israeladesanyasgyno999 Yes.
Well I don't know but when I was talking to my baby when he was still in the womb we always started kicking when I was talking to the belly...
Yes they do. Language begins in the womb.
Babies do grow self conscious in the womb.they will hear what we hear.feel what emotions we feel,smile in womb,see their hands and feet..
Honestly props to the kid for having a confidence to debate Ben
Ben was actually quite gentle with him.
@@megclif yeah brah
@@megclif Gently distructive
Not confidence, ignorance.
MrDavidelliottjr amen
I mean... Fluffy the Hamster is too precious to kill tho
high school chemistry lab.
“No that person would be dead”
*pause*
“right?”
Ben’s smirk after his “nine months” comment should have made the other guy just quit
The election after November should make conservatives quit.
Or start to be proper Americans.
@@jimtownsend3910 Not until self proclaimed eighteen wheel truck driver Joe Biden is gone. Lol.
I would have quit the second I was given the mic
@@stevelopez372 America was never great
It went over his head.
This guy screwed himself so bad that even Ben warned him where he was going.
“He was despised and rejected- a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way. He was despised, and we did not care. Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God, a punishment for his own sins! But he was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed. All of us, like sheep, have strayed away. We have left God’s paths to follow our own. Yet the Lord laid on him the sins of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. Unjustly condemned, he was led away. No one cared that he died without descendants, that his life was cut short in midstream. But he was struck down for the rebellion of my people. He had done no wrong and had never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man’s grave. But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of his experience, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of a victorious soldier, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among the rebels. He bore the sins of many and interceded for rebels.”
Isaiah 53:3-12 NLT
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They have a form of consciousness in the womb! I have no doubt they recognize voices and few emotion.
Ok even though this guy lost the debate he was extremely respectful and that’s all you should ask for sometimes
True
S.I.C.K Art true
@@zphoenix2922 true
Agreed. I'm surprised how few comments are talking about that. At least the guy is consistent in his philosophical views. Although I think if he ever has a close relative go into a coma, he will have some serious rethinking to do. But he took the debate all in good spirit, WAY better than most who argue with Ben.
“I have no problem with that” as he crosses his arms in insecurity
Ikr
Ooh he didn't really meant it probably, he was just trying to win argument in any means possible.
Yeah he just said that to avoid accepting defeat. It's okay to lose an argument. Just know when you are defeated.
@@akashsinghsharma5817 Exactly! If that was his mother stuck in a 9 month coma and awaken with no memories there's no way he would stab and kill her. Better yet if it was his own child.
Ssargrettal Nosaj were not supposed to be trying to win. We’re supposed to be trying to come to a consensus
clicked for the question
watched for the destruction
stayed for the information
From a faith aspect, I also take into account a verse in Jeremiah where it's in the context of God speaking.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I even formed you in the womb I knew you and *before* you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Ben forced this dude to start digging a hole and he never stopped digging
Ben FORCES snowflake to dig HOLE, snowflake never stops DIGGING.
Reptar Slice he lost the second he admitted hes fine with a man in a coma with memory loss being put down
I notice that happen sometimes. To avoid admitting they're wrong, people often just keep going with it and in doing this they dig their own grave because they seem more and more like horrible people.
People say that today he is currently only 100 yards from earth's core trying to prove his point...
Reptar Slice that is the concept of the debate tactic known as a snuck premise :)
Family member goes into coma "I'm about to end my family members whole career".
@@novacorps325 I meant career as in life but ok chief.
@@novacorps325 Bruh, obviously it isn't but maybe if you weren't trying to be intellectual you would understand. Various people use this phrase, and ALOT of them having nothing to do with actual jobs. So get your Jimmy neutron ass out of here.
@@novacorps325 No one, in any real life conversation talks like that but what ever, also maybe you should use common sense and be like oh, okay I understand instead of being a smart ass, well I got better things to do. Not really but I'm getting tired of this conversation.
@@curlydingo9042 Your joke just makes you look irreverent. You speak just like an anime-infected kid. No surprise you came up with such meme.
Seems like people in this comment section have great sense of humor...
When we sleep we go unconscious. That guy is crazy
I was in a coma for over a month, dr told my family if I ever came out of it I would be a vegetable. My family did not let them un plug me. I woke up, have dealt with extreme memory loss. That was 26 years ago. Today I am a 51 year old husband, father, and Pastor.
Let them live
When Ben says “so just to get this straight” you know that guy is doomed
Yes, that is him winding up for the killer punch
If this was an anime, that would be his one-liner before the heroic beatdown
He bought a VIP ticket....so he gets roasted FIRST LMAO
This guy's family members got nervous asf after watching this 😂
Ben Shapiro is the Michael Jordan of logical fallacies
high school chemistry lab
Someone: gets into a coma
This guy: I'm about to end this whole mans life
Ben could convince me that I have two left arms
UPDATE: I have two left arms. Change my mind.
Then you must be an idiot
DIO metaphorically not literally
You do and 2left legs as well! I feel bad for you!
Joseph Anistratov
Pshh nice try! Hahahahaha...
You’re joking right?
CRUSTYDOGTAINT lmao imagine someone actually had 2 left legs and arms playing sports 😂I would pay t💰 watch that!
Lol dude tried so hard to seem smart, and Ben quickly showed him his argument had no leg to stand on, it’s incredible
LOL! Ben Shapiro is just wayyyyyyyy too intelligent and i love every minute of it. Ben Shapiro for Vice President in 2024!
Thug life moment ‘lets say 9 months’ lol that was beautiful. Arguing with him is like playing chess with kasporov or fischer. You wont know the mistakes youre making while building your offense. So many moves ahead...
Sad part is this debate does not show how good shapiro is, it just shows how remarkably moronic the the kid debating Ben is. A blind, deaf, mentally handicapped person could have won debate against this idiot. I mean he agreed that humans can be killed just because he does not feel they have any worth.
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Jonathan Scheib Shapiro only debates people that make him look smart. What psycho is gonna abort a baby after 9 months?
eduardo teddy that was sooo slick
Like a good chess player
I like how people that disregard life, have already been born...
@@joseronaldo8293 lol damn why so self centered?
😂
Quality of life, is that valuable? According to the WHO, people end their own lives at a rate of 1 person / every 40 seconds. I know it's a different argument but to just look at a fertilized egg as life and not regard other aspects, isn't winning a debate. It's very reductive. I get that Ben wants to give the strongest points to show his values are superior but at the other spectrum, euthanasia... It's not that simple but in certain cases, I could see merit for such a procedure.
I agree, abortion isn't preferable but making it illegal isn't going to stop it from happening just as making euthanasia illegal isn't going to stop suicides. There is a whole other level of discussion to be had about surrounding factors but in the mean time, having abortion as an option is probably the most healthy way of dealing with pregnant people not wanting to give birth.
So you can't be blindly pro-life (in the core sense that it currently describes itself) and hold humanistic values at the same time.
So it isn't virtuous to be pro-life by itself.
@@justanothernick3984 the argument that people will continue to perform abortions even if it is outlawed is a false one, because crime continues despite it's illegality. When laws permit certain imoral behaviours, they then are wrongly perceived as legitimit from a moral standpoint, and when this happens society becomes more and more decadent. We should aim for what should vs what we want to do.
Comatose within a predictably short amount of time, say 9 months.
Brilliant 😂
That kid with the microphone talking to Ben will be a Serial Killer one day.
Mark my words
Props to the guy for at least engaging in civil discourse and not devolving into a childish spectacle. Now he knows his position is nonsensical and can formulate a new, more complete one.
Jason McGuinness that’s what needs to happen
He needs to go get mental help. What he said is not normal.
Which is how most arguments should go. So many right wingers here foam at the mouth if someone else has a different point of view. Discuss, argue. That's how we progress, not mud slinging before the argument has even commenced.
Exactly, he didn't think his ideas out thoroughly enough before going out there and speaking, its a chance for him to rethink what he actually believes. A good discussion
Ian 9876 that doesn’t mean he is going to change his stance on abortion. If it’s not your body, you don’t have a right to decide for someone. Just like if someone wants to do drugs or whatever doesn’t mean we throw them in jail unless they are violent/hurting others.
"I dont have a problem with that"
Yeah you don't have a problem with that as long as you are not the one in the receiving end.
Exactly!
J3AN P3T3R plot twist, his whole family decided to kill him when he's completely fine. and literally no one mourns 😂😂😂
Hexl702 Nobdy is inflicting unwanted suffering. It’s dumb to say so because no body is forcing you to have sex and get pregnant.
Hexl702 I do have an answer. It’s called celibacy. If you are not willing to accept the risk of pregnancy and carrying a human being inside for 9 months, don’t have sex.
To think that by holding parents responsible for getting their child’s needs met, especially when they chose to partake in an activity that directly caused their child’s state of dependency and vulnerability, is inflicting unwanted suffering, is nothing but entitlement.
J3AN P3T3R i mean i would rather die than forget all my memories...?
Retired physician here, trained in obstetrics/gynecology and pathology. Some who support abortion hold to the ridiculous notions that a fetus is not a baby or that an unborn baby isn’t human until it’s born. Others supporting abortion claim that life only begins when a baby takes its first breath at birth. They cite the Genesis account of God breathing life into the man whom He created. But these people conveniently ignore the fact that God utilized no egg, no sperm, and no womb when He created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam’s rib. Unborn babies, however, are a totally different matter, for they are very much alive in the womb. They develop, move and grow, cardiac motion is detected by ultrasound by five-six weeks, they suck their thumbs, hiccup, and though they receive oxygen and nutrients from the mother via the umbilical cord, they still “breathe” small amounts of amniotic fluid, FOR GOD HAS ALREADY GIVEN THEM LIFE IN THE WOMB. How can unborn babies move and grow, etc., if they are not alive in the womb? Yes, babies take their first breath of AIR when they are born, but they are most definitely ALIVE BEFORE they do so. Life begins at conception. Abortion is the murdering of innocent human life.
Jesus does not mention abortion by name in any of His teachings. Therefore, some folks take that to mean that mankind may kill innocent, unborn babies through abortion at will. How utterly absurd! Such people either conveniently ignore or are unfamiliar with the Scripture that states: HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO GOD (PROVERBS 6:16-17). This passage certainly indicates that those who shed the blood of innocent, unborn babies through abortion, or who condone such heinous acts, are ABOMINATIONS unto God.
Pro-choicers often cite Numbers 5 as “evidence” for abortion. In this chapter according to the KJV, the priest conducts a ritual to test for adultery, whereby a guilty woman is cursed: “The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell” (v. 21). Neither pregnancy nor abortion are specifically mentioned. On the other hand, the NIV implies miscarriage: “may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.” It is God Who causes the miscarriage, not man. The passage DOES NOT grant mankind permission to perform abortions.
Pro-choicers also quote Hosea 13:16 as “evidence” for abortion. This passage describes the punishment that Samaria will suffer for rebelling against God: "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up" (KJV). God destroyed the infants along with the adults, because He knew that when the infants grew to adulthood, they would be just as rebellious as their parents; in God's sight, those infants were not innocent. God would have none of that, so He destroyed them all, regardless of age. Harsh? Yes, but God is sovereign and holy and must be obeyed. As the Creator, God gives life and takes away life as He chooses. The Scripture said: "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD" (Job 1:21b KJV). That DOES NOT mean we may take away life any time that suits us. We have NO permission from God to abort unwanted, unborn babies at will. Therefore, the passage above in Hosea has nothing to do with abortion.
DO NOT apply human thoughts and actions to God. As God says, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV).
The saying "Remember, there’s always an Asian better than you" does no apply for this man.
This dude brought a sling shot to a gun fight.
More like a rubber band.
@IDENTIFIED_AS _AN APACHE HELICOPTER not even a golden sword. He's weilding some flowers for goodness sake.
A proper gun fight, like Wild West!
Looked to me like he brought a wallet to a gun fight but whatever floats your boating
And then he shot himself
The guy went too far trying to prove his own point and Ben made him corner himself, amazing
No, he didn't. Shapiro is just loud, fast and egotistical.
@@RoseNoho yup.
How is ben loud and how is he egotistical? He's using a mic dipshit. He's never actually raised himself, only raised conservatives in general, in what way does that make him egotistical? Ben is proud of his accomplishments, which makes him egotistical? Listen to yourself talk dimwit
@WeebSlayer666, how is Ben loud? You answered that, he's using a mic. How is Ben egotistical!? I hope you are joking. What has he accomplished? He's like a Kardashian, but not as attractive. Famous for being famous.
@@RoseNoho he isn't famous just to be famous, he earned his place, he is a great debater, he makes sense pretty much all of the time I haven't seen a time he hasn't yet, he uses tactics to put himself in a better position. And it works great when the tactics are just facts and morals.
This dude makes great arguments and have amazing confidence! Wish I had atleast half of that in front of an audience like that