@@Duval-In-The-Wall It saddens me the little value people have for individual unique lives. This guy can argue his points, but even as a fetus it has entirely unique DNA set up for an entirely unique life. A life that baby WILL have and experience, unless comes the event of a miscarriage , or another person intervening and killing that baby . So simple yet people choose to ignore those facts.
I understood the kid’s point, but he lost it as soon as Ben started articulating some very sensible counter examples. And he dug a deeper hole when he refused to accept that he was indeed wrong.
That’s one of the biggest issues I see with the world today, in all aspects. We refuse to admit when we are wrong. We are adamant in our positions, even when facing the truth.
Héctor Abarca while you’re right that’s an issue in today’s society, he is entitled to his own stance/opinion. You can say he’s wrong, but that would itself just be an opinion.
Ben simply diverted the topic and made a analogy and the kid went with it .... He never once argued that there is no definite time for which a person will be in coma or that if the person is unable to take a decision then the guardian should have the right to make decisions for the concerned person !
You know what I do respect, the fact this dude stood up there, said his piece, gave ground, and was respectful throughout. Though they, and we, may disagree that right there is how you debate. What a well rounded young man.
A well rounded young man? Did you hear the part where he was ok to kill an ADULT who is in a temporary coma and will be coming out of it with some level of memory loss? They guy is a walking, talking moron, a sociopath. How in the world is that "well rounded"? We might "disagree"? WTF?!
Nova I will read them, I would just like you to know as well not all conservatives are pro-life. I happen to be bc I feel there are better arguments against it but some conservatives are pro choice
I also look at that as something to be much more deeply looked at.. conservatives create the environment for that to be freely debated. Take Dave Rubin (he’s a gay and pro choice conservative).. he’s celebrated in the conservative movement and allowed to speak at large conservative conventions bc he is open to dialogue. You won’t ever hear a pro life liberal speak at a liberal convention...
And to add onto that.. he created the environment of respect for people who disagree with abortion based on religious teachings. He respects that some people feel this way and don’t call them ignorant or slander them for having a faith system
Nova also, please tag me in your post. I scrolled all the way down and didn’t find any of yours. RUclips shuffled comments weird depending on likes/responses/ etc. and if you responded to anyone I wouldn’t know unless I clicked on the right one.
@@mollypayton2828 I agree, playing word games is not real debating. A debate is supposed to be an exchange of ideas, FULL facts and opinions. There is no beating people based on an awkwardly worded sentence
What the guy should’ve said is that when someone has no consciousness, memories or signs of intelligence AND they are directly dependent upon one specific person for survival, it should be that specific persons choice whether they want to carry the burden or not. We can deem it as right or wrong, but until we ourselves can fill in that persons role as sole nurturer and provider, we should not have the right to dictate what they must do.
It's all about listening to what someone says. It's amazing how often people are inconsistent with what they say, and they don't even realize it because they've never really thought it through.
The other guy had just clearly not thought it through. Which seems to be the problem with the majority of the populations political opinions. His argument was so weak it collapsed itself, he didn't even have to really refute anything, just give him a question.
@@SyuuKito what do you mean by saying "its not them anymore"? He is still the same person before he was in a coma. The problem is when he wakes up he will experience a memory problem which is fine. It's like meeting the same person again it doesn't make any sense that you will kill a person with memory problems. SMH
I actually worked with this guy at McDonald's when I was in highschool a few years ago in the vancouver area. Kind of a dbag so it's lovely to see Ben wipe the floor with him.
The doctor should decide whether or not they want to keep the patient alive. If the equipment needed to keep that comatose person alive is his, he has every right to pull the plug cause it's his property. In the case of the woman, she should have the right to terminate a the fetus because her body is her property. You can murder anyone even children if they traspass on your property.
@Mickey Merzon I am being serious. Nobody has the right to your own property. A fetus doesn't have ownership to the body of a woman. Is that too radical? Look into what Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater believed in when it came to abortion and you wouldn't find it so radical.
@@Robert_1685 Wait hold on. Like Ben said, a baby has no sense of identity, just like this hypothetical man with no identity or personality. But it's not okay to kill a child after it's born. How does that make sense?
@@Robert_1685 Hmm. Your argument is a well-reasoned one. However, technically, all human being are massive clusters of cells. We are all made of cells. All of these clusters of cells take roughly the same shape; the human figure. These cells, which are human, start life at the moment of conception. This must be so because if it were otherwise, the cells wouldn't grow. There must be life for growth, and no amount of feeding by the mother will restart a dead fetus. Hence, miscarriages. So we have established that life must begin at conception, we all are made of clusters of cells, and we all began as a very small cluster of cells. Following this logic, we must, as persons, have grown from those clusters of cells. Life does not begin at birth, because if so, the fetus must have been dead all during the pregnancy, which is impossible. And if the same life that grows the fetus from a cluster of cells into a baby is the same life that now sustains us as I write these words and you read them, it follows that we, as humans, were alive from the moment of conception onward, as humans.
@@Robert_1685 i would like to connect to this weirdly and surprisingly calm conversation that you are both having and state my point of view. So to begin with I am pro-life and let me explain why with the help of the guy-in-a-coma situation. The example that the guy gave us is that the person who comes out of the coma has no personal identity equal to a child that is to be born but may be aborted. So. What I want to say is - personal identity is formed AFTER the birth. Personality however is formed during the prenatal period (literature on that - "one point of view by William R. Emerson, "Some complex cases" by Joseph Wolpe, "The person in change: the process as experienced" by Carl Rogers - this is just a few of the books on this topic that are based on experiments and valid medical findings, I really suggest you and everyone else read them because they are truly eye-opening and really reader-friendly). So. If for this guy what defines a person is PERSONAL IDENTITY and not PERSONALITY, then he is SOOO wrong for killing the person in coma because of his loss of memory. Memory isn't the only thing what defines us as human beings. Yes, it adds up to our experience in this world but as I said and as it is mentioned in this literature, it is formed. It is formed everyday and it would have been formed after the person woke up from a coma - yes, the memories would be different, the person's in question identity may be understood differently by him/her, but still, this chance of creating it again after its loss would be regained just as it would be gained after a child is born. Another thing is that in my personal opinion, if a woman got pregnant - it is her responsibility to take care of her actions. If you got pregnant BY ENGAGING IN SEXUAL ACTIVITIES WITH CONSENT GIVEN, you knew that there was a chance for you to get pregnant. If a woman got pregnant after that CONSENTUAL sexual interaction usually she is in the known of the pregnancy after 3 weeks (statistical evidence, also). What is happening with a woman's body? An umbilical cord is formed, the baby is starting to develop internal organs, bones, tiny limbs and a primal structure of brains. Imagine what changes a woman's body has to go through and how stressful it is for the same body, that went through all that to experience a "cleanse" of it all. One of the biggest problems women face after getting pregnant AFTER an abortion is having a preterm birth or pow birthweight which results in complications during the very first crucial stages of a baby's development. In my opinion there are just a couple of situations in which abortion can be a way of solving a "problem" - rape or risk for a mother's life while giving birth or having this risk while carrying the baby. If i am forgetting something similar to these situations - please excuse me, these are the ones that come to mind at this moment. I believe that the change of abortion rates can only drop with the change in the way people act and how they solve the consequences of their actions : don't have unprotected sex, don't engage in sexual activities while in the stage (age) of not being able to give consent or not being in the known of the consequences of your actions (probable "need" for abortion at a your age) - these things should be implemented to the youth at their age when they may start to think of engaging in these kinds of activities (lets say from the age of 12-13).
@Jesus Christ atheists: if there really is God why shouldn't He stop evil in this world? ...Several passages in the bible where God actually stopped or destroyed evil in the world... Atheists: your God is a murderer!
@Jesus Christ no, not dodging the question. Simply establishing a basis of knowledge. The Amalekites were far from innocent. In fact, they were utterly depraved. What is more, they desired to destroy Israel (v. 2), God’s chosen people, the channel of His redemptive plans for all humankind (Gen. 12:1-3). The act of their total destruction was necessitated by the gravity of their sin. Otherwise, some hard core remnant might rise to resume their hateful act toward God’s people and plan. Source: defendinginerrancy.com
@Jesus Christ As to the question about the innocent children, several observations are relevant. First, we are all born in sin (Ps. 51:5) and deserve death (Rom. 5:12). Everyone will eventually be taken by God in death-it is only a matter of when (Heb. 9:27). Second, God is sovereign over life and reserves the right to take it when He will (Deut. 32:39; Job 1:21). Third, all children who die before the age of accountability are saved (see comments on 2 Sam. 12:23). Hence, the act by which God took the children is far from merciless (see also comments on Josh. 6:21). Same source as previous response.
Getting an early abortion and killing someone in a coma are not nearly the same thing. We are our consciousness, not our bodies. If I had been aborted before I developed sentience, then my existence would've been prevented before I ever existed, and that is very far from killing me while I'm temporarily gone. If my existence is prevented before I ever existed, then it literally can't make a difference to me how it was done. From my perspective, an early abortion would be the exact same as if my existence was prevented with a condom, because in both cases I never got to exist. So how come one of these acts is considered very moral while the other one is considered morally abhorrent?
Kanzu999 Definition of kill: cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing). You are technically alive and a person so you would be killed if aborted Definition of prevent: keep (something) from happening. A condom or birth control prevents the sperm from making contact with the egg and the life happening altogether, therefore it’s preventing a life.
@@tommuggeridge5659 If my body was kept alive but was brain dead for some reason so that my consciousness and/or mind can't exist, then I'm gone even though my body is alive. So yes, it would be killing my body, but it wouldn't make any difference to me. In the same sense then yes, an early abortion would be killing the "body", the organism, but in the end the body is not what we are, so if the abortion is performed before a mind could ever exist, then you prevented that person's existence before they ever existed. I agree that life for the fetus/embryo starts at conception. I just don't agree that the body is what we are, so just because the body exists and is alive for an early stage fetus, it doesn't mean that it's inhabited by a person with moral value. But I'm curious. Where do you think moral value comes from? What is it that makes an action/behavior bad or good?
I agree. We should be able to have an open dialogue in a respectful manner. Especially with sensitive subjects. This is how things get done is when both sides listen to each other. May not agree but conversations can lead to longer lasting changes. Not putting people down because you have differing opinion.
Ruvim Bond he’s tryna make an argument using someone in a comma as an example, he says someone in a comma for a short, predictable amount of time, for example nine months” . He’s kinda using it as a joke because pregnancy lasts 9 months
I can’t tell if you’re insulting Ben or complimenting him, but if you’re insulting him, I would say him using only 2% says more about the people arguing against Ben than it does him.
Technically speaking he’s so stupid he might actually be brain dead saying all this nonsense so i say lets pull the plug on this dude oh wait shapiro just did
My dad was in a bad wreck in his early 20s and was in a coma for several months. Completely forgot everything. How to walk, talk. So you'd kill him. He relearned everything, fathered 6 kids, went to college and got several degrees and even started a company. Just cause they lost their memory doesn't mean they can't relearn
The first thing a thought about, when I heard the young dudes "totally fine": ....aaaand amnesia? Sorry and happy at the same time to hear your dad's story. Thank God some people with brains were in charge.
"So you'd kill him" No. He said he would've given the family a choice what to do with him. If he wasn't awakening for 10 years then perhaps it would be a decision to make.
To be fair, this guy was really easy.. Anyone could say why killing someone in a 9 month coma is fucking insane murder.. He started out sounding like a smart guy, and then he said THAT... Like what the fuck?
I use to be pro-choice UNTIL I heard a Doctor describe (in graphic detail) the "process" of aborting a baby. He was testifying in-front of Congress. Needless to say, I'm now pro-life!!! The video is still available on RUclips...it's absolutely amazing!
I remember that I didn’t exactly know what abortion was, I do remember that I knew the baby died because of it. Then I saw some of those same videos and I became a firm believer in the rights of the unborn
I think I saw the video, the Doctor had an adopted daughter that was killed in a car accident, and when he did a 24 week old abortion, he saw legs and arms of the baby and so after a while he stopped.
That was Dr. Levantine I think. He has a few videos describing the tools used for each type of abortion on RUclips I’m pretty sure. There’s also videos describing each kind of abortion in a drawn/cartoonish form. Edit: here’s one link I found: ruclips.net/video/5THDmys8z30/видео.html
@T K Interesting. I would say that Ben Shapiro is libertarian-conservative in most areas. So are you a liberal pro-lifer? Thats a rare breed these days
Only because the guy was clearly out of his depth in debating the issue, not because Ben is necessarily right. Within the first trimester the fetus does not have a fully developed brain and has yet to attain brainwave activity. An Alzheimer's patient does still have brainwave activity and therefore his comparison is flawed and falls apart right there, only the guy debating him didn't pick up on that.
@@RadicalUnderstanding And yet it doesn't begin to exhibit brain activity until within 5 to six week of conception. And even then it cannot feel pain, as it is unable to do so until at least 12 weeks in to the pregnancy. If it can be aborted without any suffering what so ever then I see nothing ethically wrong with it. I mean if we're going to respect the bodily autonomy of the woman it strikes me as a no brain. Put it this way. If a mother, or even a father for that matter had a child that was in need of bone marrow transplant and either one could donate their own to save their child's life would they be obligated to do so? I mean we can't begin forcing people to donate their essentially have their body used against their will to benefit another, so why should a woman be forced against to have hers in the benefit of a fetus. It just strikes me as inconsistent when it comes to anatomical rights to prevent a woman to have an abortion on those moralistic grounds alone.
@@robertmcelwaine7024 yes but that child is going to be perfectly fine when it fully develops. Just like the person in a coma they may not feel anything right now but later may or will get better.
@@charliehendrix1265 Poor analogy. A coma patient doesn't benefit via the autonomy of someone else to go on living whereas a fetus does. Therefore you can't ignore the anatomical rights of the mother. If she wouldn't be morally obligated to have any part of her body used to benefit her child after it's born then why should she therefore be obligated to carry an unborn fetus that is benefiting the from the use of her body against her will? Otherwise there is an inconsistency in her anatomical rights. Sorry, but her rights trump those of a fetus that isn't even yet fully developed, and it's not as if it would make any difference to a child that never go on to fully exist.
My wife and I recently had our first child. We went through the massive ups and downs of pregnancy, and now our son is coming up on five months. It's incredibly difficult for me to imagine people advocating for abortion after seeing and feeling the real and vivid experience that is bringing a baby into the world, and the frankly obvious life that grows during that time. But above all, it's something you truly cannot understand until you're there in those moments. You simply cannot know what you're shutting down, and for those who say "Well I just don't want to know" that is an immeasurable tragedy.
This is not an argument , its just personal experience and 100% emotional , not logical . The abortion debate is not as simple as "its a life so its bad"
Its no argument at all. Are you having unprotected Sex with as many women as you possibly can? If not you're killing all these potential babies. Are you a murderer?
Fact is, you all made a choice and are happy with them. Good for you two. As for others though, they should be able to make that choice without force from the state one way or the other.
@@Petey-se1lo You shouldn't be able to "make a choice" for murder without consequences. The "fetus" is scientifically a human, it is by definition murder. You don't have to be religious to see common sense.
@@jackknife5062 Isnt the goal of adoption to put these kids in the best scenario possible? Why are assuming that the person reading this who is pro life can take in a child and raise them as good as another person might be able to? Orphans deserve the best life possible, not u just to be thrown out to a pro life commenter because some ignorant asshole tries to guilt trip them into dong that.
@@supremehighlights7819if orphans deserve the best life all children deserve the best life possible and you said it yourself... a lot of people just can't provide that. If youre against abortions... Dont get one. Its that simple. Now on to my second point. Whats the one middle eastern government that has commited acts of terrorism against America? ...Israel. Ben shapiro supports israel. Ben shapiro is all for Israel. Hes not with you... Hes against you.. We're gentiles remember... I dont know why people support this guy knowing hes Jewish.
@@OreoFlavored1911 while I think abortions should be illegal, your comment has no logic behind it and instead is full of insults. sounds like something a snowflake would say.
So if a guy stands up in a crowd and states that we never went to moon, or a "sovereign citizen" states that he can "travel" with no license and insurance like the rest of us, and both stick with the nonsense they are spouting, that they deserve "props"? Insane.
There is a pre-existing "life" -- it belongs to the girl or woman. Now, Ben is free to handle the birth control end of any arrangement he engages in. If the tech ever gets to that point he is free to have the fertilzed egg placed somewhere in his body and go for it. He does NOT have the right to tell any girl or woman what she will or will not allow to grow in her own body. She is not a brood mare -- an animal with no rights -- no matter what he or whatever sky god he believes is in charge may want to think. We will not be cowed -- or horsed -- by you people.
@@csiszernorbert3451 SUCH as carrying a life and then helping a desperate couple with a baby. That's brave and selfless caring.. The option is not wanting the hassle of carrying a baby cuz one doesn't feel like it. It's such a burden to make a sacrifice. It's a big mess to take time when I could be out partying. 9 months is a long time to bring great joy via compassion to millions of people who can't get pregnant. Decisions decisions... Get this out of my body ASAP vs doing one of greatest acts that one can. Sounds like being SELFLESS or SELFISH has become a calculous test.
2:05 At that point, I'm done, my best friend was in a coma for over 3 months and was barely able to walk and talk for weeks after awaking and now he's one of the most alive and happiest people I've ever met...
@@ignostic7694 I can't say because I haven't known him that long to witness or see him in the hospital, it happened when he was a kid but I'd say he's still awesome as usual
@@bazileia9222 Yeah? How about the fact that we had such a good bromance relationship with me knowing him for less than 2 years says there's something more to the story, you're literally mocking my friend who nearly died while he was in his coma? He's older than me but it still stands we can still be great friends regardless, what point does it make for me to know EXACTLY how long he was comatose or EXACTLY how his body was changed from pre-coma to post-coma?
@@Legominifiggriddy5602 I was in no sense mocking your friend, what is with all this victim mentality, I was mocking your claim on being beste friends, but you never bothered to know the man before ge was in coma?...
@@novacorps325 Bruh, obviously it isn't but maybe if you weren't trying to be intellectual you would understand. Various people use this phrase, and ALOT of them having nothing to do with actual jobs. So get your Jimmy neutron ass out of here.
@@novacorps325 No one, in any real life conversation talks like that but what ever, also maybe you should use common sense and be like oh, okay I understand instead of being a smart ass, well I got better things to do. Not really but I'm getting tired of this conversation.
Funny how he brought up how babies can recognize their parents voice as soon as they are born....wouldn’t that mean they are capable of building bonds and memories in the womb? Smh 🤦♀️
Why do some humans not value human life? We’re supposed to be biased towards our species. If my dog is attacking a kid, I’m gonna harm the dog to make it stop.
His foolishness, you mean. It's amusing watching someone dig themselves into a deeper and deeper hole, without any sense of it. I loved it when the student finally dug himself so far down that he couldn't counter his own argument that killing Fluffy the Hamster is deeply wrong, but killing a person because they're in a coma and might lose their memory is okay. I'm reminded of that wonderful maxim, "The first thing you do when you realize you're digging yourself into a hole is STOP DIGGING." :)
@Neevan Thapa Don't hope that somebody doesn't fall into a coma? So, hope they fall into a coma? Just teasing; however, we have surpassed politics, this isn't just what are we gonna do with this land, how are we gonna make this trade, etc. This is to the point of questioning one another's morality. What we define as murder. Our identities and beliefs. I don't know about you but I couldn't be friends with somebody who believes killing a baby, or in this instance, a person in a coma for 9 months with memory problems is morally right.
Him saying he was okay with pulling the plug on the guy in a coma only because his memories wouldn't return directly counters his previous point on life being valuable *because of consciousness* The guy would wake up and be conscious and aware
Agreed. I'm surprised how few comments are talking about that. At least the guy is consistent in his philosophical views. Although I think if he ever has a close relative go into a coma, he will have some serious rethinking to do. But he took the debate all in good spirit, WAY better than most who argue with Ben.
I notice that happen sometimes. To avoid admitting they're wrong, people often just keep going with it and in doing this they dig their own grave because they seem more and more like horrible people.
Thug life moment ‘lets say 9 months’ lol that was beautiful. Arguing with him is like playing chess with kasporov or fischer. You wont know the mistakes youre making while building your offense. So many moves ahead...
Sad part is this debate does not show how good shapiro is, it just shows how remarkably moronic the the kid debating Ben is. A blind, deaf, mentally handicapped person could have won debate against this idiot. I mean he agreed that humans can be killed just because he does not feel they have any worth.
Hexl702 I do have an answer. It’s called celibacy. If you are not willing to accept the risk of pregnancy and carrying a human being inside for 9 months, don’t have sex. To think that by holding parents responsible for getting their child’s needs met, especially when they chose to partake in an activity that directly caused their child’s state of dependency and vulnerability, is inflicting unwanted suffering, is nothing but entitlement.
I’m pro choice for women who have been raped, why would you want a baby knowing that’s the kid of the man who raped you? I feel like women have the right to decide in that case, or if the doctor tells you it’s going to be a complicated pregnancy bc some women are more at risk of death and the docs will tell you if it’s a risky pregnancy. Any other reason is just selfish
@@jacob2343432 In the vast majority of cases you can't prove if you were raped or not so making a law that you could have abortions if you were raped wouldn't make sense. If you allow anyone who says that they have been raped literally anybody could claim that they were and the law essentially is completely pro choice. on the other hand if you make it so that you have to have proof you were raped then there will be a many women who were raped but won't be able to get an abortion, and once again the law doesn't work.
Pro-forced-birth (pro-slavery) people try not to sound like someone who doesnt care about a woman's self-ownership and individuality challenge (impossible)
@@MiyazakisPVPexperience Pro-life gives a fetus more rights over a woman's body than the woman herself It disrespects a woman's individuality , by forcing them to sacrifice resources from their body to support and grow another human being inside of them
Props to the guy for at least engaging in civil discourse and not devolving into a childish spectacle. Now he knows his position is nonsensical and can formulate a new, more complete one.
Which is how most arguments should go. So many right wingers here foam at the mouth if someone else has a different point of view. Discuss, argue. That's how we progress, not mud slinging before the argument has even commenced.
Exactly, he didn't think his ideas out thoroughly enough before going out there and speaking, its a chance for him to rethink what he actually believes. A good discussion
Ian 9876 that doesn’t mean he is going to change his stance on abortion. If it’s not your body, you don’t have a right to decide for someone. Just like if someone wants to do drugs or whatever doesn’t mean we throw them in jail unless they are violent/hurting others.
@@whitekaren7742 because some people come up against Ben like a mack truck all rude and uppity. Ben will debate respectfully if his opposition is, which is what this poorly prepared young man did. He didn't listen well, nor was he a good debater but he took the loss well. Maybe he'll be better prepared next debate
"So just to get this straight....killing fluffy the hamster. Deeply wrong. Killing a dude whos about to wake up from a coma in 9 months with memory problems. Totally cool."😂😂😂 Love Ben's analogies
The problem is, that the analogy doesn't work. If the hamster was in coma and had similar problems it would be the same. And those hamsters are euthanized so? :D
The problem is that a fetus has no personal identity, connections to others, or consciousness, so they're a false equivalence really. The guy brought up the point early on but I guess he got flustered and forgot about it. If he had stuck to his guns it might been a bit more interesting.
How is ben loud and how is he egotistical? He's using a mic dipshit. He's never actually raised himself, only raised conservatives in general, in what way does that make him egotistical? Ben is proud of his accomplishments, which makes him egotistical? Listen to yourself talk dimwit
@WeebSlayer666, how is Ben loud? You answered that, he's using a mic. How is Ben egotistical!? I hope you are joking. What has he accomplished? He's like a Kardashian, but not as attractive. Famous for being famous.
@@RoseNoho he isn't famous just to be famous, he earned his place, he is a great debater, he makes sense pretty much all of the time I haven't seen a time he hasn't yet, he uses tactics to put himself in a better position. And it works great when the tactics are just facts and morals.
I dunno how you can qualify a win or loss...it is a matter of perspective. I personally believe abortion is morally wrong but i also feel it's not my choice to make n I'm against telling others what to do...even if it's wrong to me. I agree tha unborn baby is life and maybe shoul have rights but i also believe tha mother has a right to her own body. If she's a drug addict, forcing her to not do drugs to save tha baby infringes on her right to pursuit happiness and self medicate. I have no horse in this race but I understand both sides, it is difficult. Basically, it yout decision ladies, you have to live with it and i always lean toward UNLIMITED FREEDOM rather than RESTRICTED FREEDOM. thb i wish i was aborted this world sucks and i do believe humans should be annihilated and cease to exist. Only in death do we get what we DESERVE.
@Tw1 a fetus has a right to life just not at someone else's expense. A mother has bodily autonomy rights. a example if a 4 month old needs a kidney it'll die the moms a match if she refuses does the government have the right to forcibly remove her liver no because she has bodily autonomy rights. The same thing applies to abortion the fetus Is using the moms body meaning she has bodily autonomy rights that the government has no say over.
Actually babies can recognize voices before they’re born. It’s been proven that if the father speaks to the mother’s belly in pleasant tones the baby will react with smiles as soon as it can hear and register the sound of a voice they’ve heard before. So by this student’s own logic abortion is absolutely murder.
Agree, Shapiro is in cognitive dissonance on many aspects, not only abortion... He is weird like that also about his imaginary friend and other right wing talking points.
I find it so odd where people are amazed by Ben's ability to examine points of view using logic and evidence. There was a time when this was more the norm, and where people who just yelled slogans were easily ignored. And people seem equally amazed that he's not some drooling, grunting monster as he is often portrayed by those who have zero chance of keeping up with him intellectually.
@Mary People can develop new memories though, so that person is absolutely NOT worthless. You aren't just "your memories", you are also your ability to create new ones (among other things). If somebody gets hit in the head and gets amnesia (which is much rarer than people realize), you don't automatically lose all value just because you can't remember who you are or who your loved ones are, in fact now you get the exciting new opportunity to build new relationships and new memories!
@Mary Do you remember every thing that happened yesterday? No, right? So i guess you never experienced the day at all and that you were never a person then! Your flawed perception of humanity in general is absolutely foolish.
@Mary Yeah should've figured out that you think that life is merely just about memories. Your nihilistic perception of life is i hope temporary and, i truly wish to God that you will never have a loved one get amnesia or any memory loss of some sort.
@@justinc2633 Yep, legalize the right of murder of an unborn fetus, just because it inconveniences the mother because she has the right to choose whether a human being lives! Yep, good argument. I'm seriously worried about the mindset of people like you and your mental health.
@@justinc2633 why isn't it a person yet? It's the early stage of a human. Is a baby not a human because it's still developing. It has human cells and DNA unique to itself. How can't you classify that as human?
Quality of life, is that valuable? According to the WHO, people end their own lives at a rate of 1 person / every 40 seconds. I know it's a different argument but to just look at a fertilized egg as life and not regard other aspects, isn't winning a debate. It's very reductive. I get that Ben wants to give the strongest points to show his values are superior but at the other spectrum, euthanasia... It's not that simple but in certain cases, I could see merit for such a procedure. I agree, abortion isn't preferable but making it illegal isn't going to stop it from happening just as making euthanasia illegal isn't going to stop suicides. There is a whole other level of discussion to be had about surrounding factors but in the mean time, having abortion as an option is probably the most healthy way of dealing with pregnant people not wanting to give birth.
So you can't be blindly pro-life (in the core sense that it currently describes itself) and hold humanistic values at the same time. So it isn't virtuous to be pro-life by itself.
@@justanothernick3984 the argument that people will continue to perform abortions even if it is outlawed is a false one, because crime continues despite it's illegality. When laws permit certain imoral behaviours, they then are wrongly perceived as legitimit from a moral standpoint, and when this happens society becomes more and more decadent. We should aim for what should vs what we want to do.
Nina Harrington chooses? Of course you can choose to my point is that it’s FAR from the norm. Women miscarry everyday and some wouldn’t even notice and thinks it’s just a really bad period. It is a false comparison to say at conception an embryo is a human baby, and that people who get abortions are “killing babies.”
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We need to reintroduce the (supposedly intimidating) philosophical concept of _telos_ into this discourse. What things _are_ is partly a function of what they are _for,_ of what they are _directed to._
@@matthewschmitz6531 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery(lust), fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
He didn't lose though. The fact that you don't like his position doesn't make him wrong... Ben didn't even address the guy's argument. He just said "let me see if I got this right" and then just restated the guy's position back to him...
@@novacorps325 technically it could be kind of an in between, but factually it isn't, its just the embryo heading towrds the uterus. The right thing to say is: "Process" The female is in a process of getting pregnant but it is not in any way an in between
Sophie Rodgers that’s not true. The nervous system is developed in the first trimester. With that the baby can feel pain. And abortion is not illegal. It was just legalized up until birth in New York.
Sophie Rodgers how do you know though and how is it proven that the baby can’t feel pain up to a certain point? You can’t exactly ask them to be sure, so honestly it’s all just a guess. Like someone else stated, the nervous system is one of the first things to happen in development, I’m not convinced they can’t feel pain until a certain age in weeks.
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Boy is stupid... sociopathic... literally
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No way to win a conversation with ben shapiro he is way to smart and prepared
@@proximacentauri9764 because people like you have selective hearing and only hear lies
Ben Shapiro is me in an argument after thinking about it later in a shower.
Davin Bradley fr tho😂
We can think in a similar way that he does but way slower. Hes so quick on his feet
Or when your in the shower
While in bed at 3 am, figuring out how to sleep hahahaha
Freaking nerd lol
Honestly this is the type of debates you want to see. The dude took it very well even tho his views seemed extreme.
JJ Ben made it extreme to win.
Extremely shallow, more like
He dig himself a hole bc when you compare abortion to someone in a coma, it's suddenly looks inhumane
He was civil yea
@@Duval-In-The-Wall It saddens me the little value people have for individual unique lives. This guy can argue his points, but even as a fetus it has entirely unique DNA set up for an entirely unique life. A life that baby WILL have and experience, unless comes the event of a miscarriage , or another person intervening and killing that baby . So simple yet people choose to ignore those facts.
The dude tried. The problem is that he prepared thinking about what to say, and not what Ben could’ve said
I understood the kid’s point, but he lost it as soon as Ben started articulating some very sensible counter examples. And he dug a deeper hole when he refused to accept that he was indeed wrong.
That’s one of the biggest issues I see with the world today, in all aspects. We refuse to admit when we are wrong. We are adamant in our positions, even when facing the truth.
Héctor Abarca while you’re right that’s an issue in today’s society, he is entitled to his own stance/opinion. You can say he’s wrong, but that would itself just be an opinion.
He should’ve left as soon as Ben said:”ok...”
Ben simply diverted the topic and made a analogy and the kid went with it .... He never once argued that there is no definite time for which a person will be in coma or that if the person is unable to take a decision then the guardian should have the right to make decisions for the concerned person !
You know what I do respect, the fact this dude stood up there, said his piece, gave ground, and was respectful throughout. Though they, and we, may disagree that right there is how you debate. What a well rounded young man.
A well rounded young man? Did you hear the part where he was ok to kill an ADULT who is in a temporary coma and will be coming out of it with some level of memory loss? They guy is a walking, talking moron, a sociopath. How in the world is that "well rounded"? We might "disagree"? WTF?!
“Say, 9 months”
Argument was done and over right there. Checkmate.
Nova okay give your educated pro choice argument because I have heard dozens and none make sense
Nova I will read them, I would just like you to know as well not all conservatives are pro-life. I happen to be bc I feel there are better arguments against it but some conservatives are pro choice
I also look at that as something to be much more deeply looked at.. conservatives create the environment for that to be freely debated. Take Dave Rubin (he’s a gay and pro choice conservative).. he’s celebrated in the conservative movement and allowed to speak at large conservative conventions bc he is open to dialogue. You won’t ever hear a pro life liberal speak at a liberal convention...
And to add onto that.. he created the environment of respect for people who disagree with abortion based on religious teachings. He respects that some people feel this way and don’t call them ignorant or slander them for having a faith system
Nova also, please tag me in your post. I scrolled all the way down and didn’t find any of yours. RUclips shuffled comments weird depending on likes/responses/ etc. and if you responded to anyone I wouldn’t know unless I clicked on the right one.
It’s crazy how Ben can use someone else’s argument against them. Impressive
I admire those who can beat others esp at their own game
@@mollypayton2828 I agree, playing word games is not real debating. A debate is supposed to be an exchange of ideas, FULL facts and opinions. There is no beating people based on an awkwardly worded sentence
What the guy should’ve said is that when someone has no consciousness, memories or signs of intelligence AND they are directly dependent upon one specific person for survival, it should be that specific persons choice whether they want to carry the burden or not.
We can deem it as right or wrong, but until we ourselves can fill in that persons role as sole nurturer and provider, we should not have the right to dictate what they must do.
It's all about listening to what someone says. It's amazing how often people are inconsistent with what they say, and they don't even realize it because they've never really thought it through.
The other guy had just clearly not thought it through. Which seems to be the problem with the majority of the populations political opinions. His argument was so weak it collapsed itself, he didn't even have to really refute anything, just give him a question.
Ben takes 1st sip of water - 'finish him'
Ben takes 2nd sip of water - 'fatality'
Immanuel GWU This comment should have way more likes!
@@januarykeaton3880 It only let's me like it one time I tried! 😁
I also started laughing out loud at school. Lol
This priceless
Flawless Victory
This is one of the best arguments I’ve ever seen, props to you ben
"Yes you can pull the plug. I have no issue with that." Friend inches away...
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Elizabeth Sawyer Ben should have asked what if it’s your mother? Or your boyfriend? Or you?
@@janicedevereux2839 true.
@@SyuuKito what do you mean by saying "its not them anymore"? He is still the same person before he was in a coma. The problem is when he wakes up he will experience a memory problem which is fine. It's like meeting the same person again it doesn't make any sense that you will kill a person with memory problems. SMH
@@SyuuKito yeah, lets kill people with amnesia!
When I’m feeling brave, I watch Ben Shapiro on 2X speed
Legend says that time runs backwards at those speeds
@Aditya Bhardwaj you little daredevil, you.
Lmao
I can’t understand him even at 1/2 speed ;)
You are in some dicey territory
when he said "so lemme get this straight" everyone in the building knew it was over
It was so funny
Serves for “checkmate”
Yes exactly! "So lemme get this straight" finish him! Flawless victory!
It was fantastic 😂
The smirk in 2:13 tho😂
I actually worked with this guy at McDonald's when I was in highschool a few years ago in the vancouver area. Kind of a dbag so it's lovely to see Ben wipe the floor with him.
Yeah most are just desperate "Simps" selling their Souls for temporary sex with other equally desperate fools
high school chemistry lab
Ben slid that “say 9 months”, in so smoothly that I didnt even catch it at first.
Same had to go back like twice
You didn't catch an obvious reference to the fact that pregnancy lasts nine months? You're just stupid
@@lemongumdrop7388 im not. But thank you, have a blessed day troll ✌🏽❤️
@@Lee935 I mean, you are, you're just too stupid to see. You have an average day.
@@lemongumdrop7388 thank you love, you’re so sweet. Have a blessed day 😊 ✌🏽❤️
Me: *gets put into coma due to car accident*
My family: shanking time
Lollllll 😂😂💀💀
The doctor should decide whether or not they want to keep the patient alive. If the equipment needed to keep that comatose person alive is his, he has every right to pull the plug cause it's his property. In the case of the woman, she should have the right to terminate a the fetus because her body is her property. You can murder anyone even children if they traspass on your property.
@@smaaash94 K
Know what time it is? Shanking TIME
@Mickey Merzon I am being serious. Nobody has the right to your own property. A fetus doesn't have ownership to the body of a woman. Is that too radical? Look into what Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater believed in when it came to abortion and you wouldn't find it so radical.
“Let me get this straight” DUDE RUN, YOURE DEAD
@@Robert_1685 Wait hold on. Like Ben said, a baby has no sense of identity, just like this hypothetical man with no identity or personality. But it's not okay to kill a child after it's born. How does that make sense?
@@Robert_1685 Hmm. Your argument is a well-reasoned one. However, technically, all human being are massive clusters of cells. We are all made of cells. All of these clusters of cells take roughly the same shape; the human figure. These cells, which are human, start life at the moment of conception. This must be so because if it were otherwise, the cells wouldn't grow. There must be life for growth, and no amount of feeding by the mother will restart a dead fetus. Hence, miscarriages.
So we have established that life must begin at conception, we all are made of clusters of cells, and we all began as a very small cluster of cells.
Following this logic, we must, as persons, have grown from those clusters of cells. Life does not begin at birth, because if so, the fetus must have been dead all during the pregnancy, which is impossible. And if the same life that grows the fetus from a cluster of cells into a baby is the same life that now sustains us as I write these words and you read them, it follows that we, as humans, were alive from the moment of conception onward, as humans.
@gradeaovera he didn’t twist any thing he said or put anything in his mouth, dude is just a freak
You idiot, he said
Just to get this straight
And that's why all right wingers are racists and bigots!
@@Robert_1685 i would like to connect to this weirdly and surprisingly calm conversation that you are both having and state my point of view. So to begin with I am pro-life and let me explain why with the help of the guy-in-a-coma situation.
The example that the guy gave us is that the person who comes out of the coma has no personal identity equal to a child that is to be born but may be aborted.
So. What I want to say is - personal identity is formed AFTER the birth. Personality however is formed during the prenatal period (literature on that - "one point of view by William R. Emerson, "Some complex cases" by Joseph Wolpe, "The person in change: the process as experienced" by Carl Rogers - this is just a few of the books on this topic that are based on experiments and valid medical findings, I really suggest you and everyone else read them because they are truly eye-opening and really reader-friendly). So. If for this guy what defines a person is PERSONAL IDENTITY and not PERSONALITY, then he is SOOO wrong for killing the person in coma because of his loss of memory. Memory isn't the only thing what defines us as human beings. Yes, it adds up to our experience in this world but as I said and as it is mentioned in this literature, it is formed. It is formed everyday and it would have been formed after the person woke up from a coma - yes, the memories would be different, the person's in question identity may be understood differently by him/her, but still, this chance of creating it again after its loss would be regained just as it would be gained after a child is born.
Another thing is that in my personal opinion, if a woman got pregnant - it is her responsibility to take care of her actions. If you got pregnant BY ENGAGING IN SEXUAL ACTIVITIES WITH CONSENT GIVEN, you knew that there was a chance for you to get pregnant. If a woman got pregnant after that CONSENTUAL sexual interaction usually she is in the known of the pregnancy after 3 weeks (statistical evidence, also). What is happening with a woman's body? An umbilical cord is formed, the baby is starting to develop internal organs, bones, tiny limbs and a primal structure of brains. Imagine what changes a woman's body has to go through and how stressful it is for the same body, that went through all that to experience a "cleanse" of it all. One of the biggest problems women face after getting pregnant AFTER an abortion is having a preterm birth or pow birthweight which results in complications during the very first crucial stages of a baby's development.
In my opinion there are just a couple of situations in which abortion can be a way of solving a "problem" - rape or risk for a mother's life while giving birth or having this risk while carrying the baby. If i am forgetting something similar to these situations - please excuse me, these are the ones that come to mind at this moment.
I believe that the change of abortion rates can only drop with the change in the way people act and how they solve the consequences of their actions : don't have unprotected sex, don't engage in sexual activities while in the stage (age) of not being able to give consent or not being in the known of the consequences of your actions (probable "need" for abortion at a your age) - these things should be implemented to the youth at their age when they may start to think of engaging in these kinds of activities (lets say from the age of 12-13).
You really gotta understand how smart ben is, to have this info in the split of a second without looking at notes... EXTREMELY impressive
You know something good was coming when Ben said "so just to get this straight..." The "lets say nine months" comeback was just pure gold though.
@Jesus Christ atheists: if there really is God why shouldn't He stop evil in this world?
...Several passages in the bible where God actually stopped or destroyed evil in the world...
Atheists: your God is a murderer!
@Jesus Christ context is extremely important my friend. Go read what it is about before you start accusing people of having double standards.
@Jesus Christ did you read it and study the context? Put in some effort and then we'll talk. Also, I might ask, are you pro abortion?
@Jesus Christ no, not dodging the question. Simply establishing a basis of knowledge.
The Amalekites were far from innocent. In fact, they were utterly depraved. What is more, they desired to destroy Israel (v. 2), God’s chosen people, the channel of His redemptive plans for all humankind (Gen. 12:1-3). The act of their total destruction was necessitated by the gravity of their sin. Otherwise, some hard core remnant might rise to resume their hateful act toward God’s people and plan.
Source: defendinginerrancy.com
@Jesus Christ As to the question about the innocent children, several observations are relevant. First, we are all born in sin (Ps. 51:5) and deserve death (Rom. 5:12). Everyone will eventually be taken by God in death-it is only a matter of when (Heb. 9:27). Second, God is sovereign over life and reserves the right to take it when He will (Deut. 32:39; Job 1:21). Third, all children who die before the age of accountability are saved (see comments on 2 Sam. 12:23). Hence, the act by which God took the children is far from merciless (see also comments on Josh. 6:21).
Same source as previous response.
for a specifically and predictably short time, say 9 months
rest in peace my man
Getting an early abortion and killing someone in a coma are not nearly the same thing. We are our consciousness, not our bodies. If I had been aborted before I developed sentience, then my existence would've been prevented before I ever existed, and that is very far from killing me while I'm temporarily gone. If my existence is prevented before I ever existed, then it literally can't make a difference to me how it was done. From my perspective, an early abortion would be the exact same as if my existence was prevented with a condom, because in both cases I never got to exist. So how come one of these acts is considered very moral while the other one is considered morally abhorrent?
Kanzu999 life starts at conception, so a comdom does prevent you from living but an abortion is actually killing you because you are a life.
Kanzu999
Definition of kill: cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing).
You are technically alive and a person so you would be killed if aborted
Definition of prevent: keep (something) from happening.
A condom or birth control prevents the sperm from making contact with the egg and the life happening altogether, therefore it’s preventing a life.
@@Kanzu999 You existed before you knew you did. And now that you know, are you happy that you do?
@@tommuggeridge5659 If my body was kept alive but was brain dead for some reason so that my consciousness and/or mind can't exist, then I'm gone even though my body is alive. So yes, it would be killing my body, but it wouldn't make any difference to me. In the same sense then yes, an early abortion would be killing the "body", the organism, but in the end the body is not what we are, so if the abortion is performed before a mind could ever exist, then you prevented that person's existence before they ever existed.
I agree that life for the fetus/embryo starts at conception. I just don't agree that the body is what we are, so just because the body exists and is alive for an early stage fetus, it doesn't mean that it's inhabited by a person with moral value.
But I'm curious. Where do you think moral value comes from? What is it that makes an action/behavior bad or good?
That "Say...9 months" part was the most genius thing I *may* have ever heard in my life! :)
Nice to meet a fellow Zachary
i wish i was named zachary lol
@@Zachattack1212 nice to meet 2 zackerys even though both are spelt wrong (my names spelt with a k and an e)
I agree, that was brilliant xD
Helena Rosno hey beautiful :)
It's truly scary how comfortably stupid and casually evil some people can be these days.😬
The banality of evil.
Just as the Bible predicted, the day will come when the world will be so evil, that it will be much worse than the days of Noah.
@@pattie8574 oh please u dont need to heed every word of a fantasy book
@@beckyg5952 It's a fantasy book that makes more sense than any midwit that criticizes it .
@@Dshlit spoken like a true midwit
i would get anxiety just trying to argue with him in front of a crowd
Maryiam Gani fool with no logic? And no you’re the stupid here
I pine for the day that i'd get to do that
Maryiam Gani “no logic” “I’ve been watching his videos”
a contradiction in less than a sentence. LmaoZ
@@cufo7806 wait how is that a contradiction
@Maryiam Gani no u
Disagree with this guy totally, but at least he was respectful (guy asking question).
I agree. We should be able to have an open dialogue in a respectful manner. Especially with sensitive subjects. This is how things get done is when both sides listen to each other. May not agree but conversations can lead to longer lasting changes. Not putting people down because you have differing opinion.
Yes, same here.
Yeah, agreed, he kept a pleasant attitude throughout his "argument" not like most SJW nightmares who leave screaming.
And he kinda admitted at the end how he talked himself to a dead-end.
Have you seen other videos of his? He's not always respectful.
I freaking died when he said “say 9 months”
Sameeeee
We all did
I didn’t get it, can you please explain
Ruvim Bond he’s tryna make an argument using someone in a comma as an example, he says someone in a comma for a short, predictable amount of time, for example nine months” . He’s kinda using it as a joke because pregnancy lasts 9 months
CHIVA99 oh, thank you
I love watching ben using 2% of his intelligence to dismantle an argument😂😂
😂 2%
I can’t tell if you’re insulting Ben or complimenting him, but if you’re insulting him, I would say him using only 2% says more about the people arguing against Ben than it does him.
@@ArctecGemini it's a compliment.
@@ArctecGeminitake it out your mouth bro
I pray to God that no one in this kids family ever gets into a coma.
truee
Or gets alzheimers!
Technically speaking he’s so stupid he might actually be brain dead saying all this nonsense so i say lets pull the plug on this dude oh wait shapiro just did
When you actually know the kid who asked that question 😂🤣
Amen
My dad was in a bad wreck in his early 20s and was in a coma for several months. Completely forgot everything. How to walk, talk. So you'd kill him. He relearned everything, fathered 6 kids, went to college and got several degrees and even started a company. Just cause they lost their memory doesn't mean they can't relearn
The first thing a thought about, when I heard the young dudes "totally fine": ....aaaand amnesia? Sorry and happy at the same time to hear your dad's story. Thank God some people with brains were in charge.
6 kids !!! Really not necessary.
"So you'd kill him" No. He said he would've given the family a choice what to do with him. If he wasn't awakening for 10 years then perhaps it would be a decision to make.
@@bertiewooster3326 I don't really think you were necessary but here we are 😂😂
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I don’t think I’d even win a debate with Ben as to why my left foot is better than my right.
You deserve more likes than this.
@@hey_thankstommy5269 Yo he really does
Ruben Arzola u right his voice makes me wanna strangle him
To be fair, this guy was really easy.. Anyone could say why killing someone in a 9 month coma is fucking insane murder.. He started out sounding like a smart guy, and then he said THAT... Like what the fuck?
Ruben Arzola I’d win a debate on why Jesus is God
I use to be pro-choice UNTIL I heard a Doctor describe (in graphic detail) the "process" of aborting a baby. He was testifying in-front of Congress. Needless to say, I'm now pro-life!!! The video is still available on RUclips...it's absolutely amazing!
I remember that I didn’t exactly know what abortion was, I do remember that I knew the baby died because of it. Then I saw some of those same videos and I became a firm believer in the rights of the unborn
What’s the title of the video?
I think I saw the video, the Doctor had an adopted daughter that was killed in a car accident, and when he did a 24 week old abortion, he saw legs and arms of the baby and so after a while he stopped.
@@K-Choi - yes...that's the video. Changed my perspective entirely!!!
That was Dr. Levantine I think. He has a few videos describing the tools used for each type of abortion on RUclips I’m pretty sure. There’s also videos describing each kind of abortion in a drawn/cartoonish form.
Edit: here’s one link I found: ruclips.net/video/5THDmys8z30/видео.html
I love how Ben takes a sip of water after he roasts the guy.
Savage
After spitting so much fire, your mouth becomes dry.
@@valerie80yearsago90 You literally stole my comment, lol. I was going to say something like "This is what happens when you spit fire" :)
It's like 'I swallowed you whole now time to take a sip'.
Jared Sullivan he has too take a sip cuz he is spitting fire on that dude and doesn’t have enough time to put it out
Ben just sat back and allowed his opponent to destroy himself. That easy.
@T K Interesting. I would say that Ben Shapiro is libertarian-conservative in most areas. So are you a liberal pro-lifer? Thats a rare breed these days
Only because the guy was clearly out of his depth in debating the issue, not because Ben is necessarily right. Within the first trimester the fetus does not have a fully developed brain and has yet to attain brainwave activity. An Alzheimer's patient does still have brainwave activity and therefore his comparison is flawed and falls apart right there, only the guy debating him didn't pick up on that.
@@RadicalUnderstanding And yet it doesn't begin to exhibit brain activity until within 5 to six week of conception. And even then it cannot feel pain, as it is unable to do so until at least 12 weeks in to the pregnancy. If it can be aborted without any suffering what so ever then I see nothing ethically wrong with it. I mean if we're going to respect the bodily autonomy of the woman it strikes me as a no brain. Put it this way. If a mother, or even a father for that matter had a child that was in need of bone marrow transplant and either one could donate their own to save their child's life would they be obligated to do so? I mean we can't begin forcing people to donate their essentially have their body used against their will to benefit another, so why should a woman be forced against to have hers in the benefit of a fetus. It just strikes me as inconsistent when it comes to anatomical rights to prevent a woman to have an abortion on those moralistic grounds alone.
@@robertmcelwaine7024 yes but that child is going to be perfectly fine when it fully develops. Just like the person in a coma they may not feel anything right now but later may or will get better.
@@charliehendrix1265 Poor analogy. A coma patient doesn't benefit via the autonomy of someone else to go on living whereas a fetus does. Therefore you can't ignore the anatomical rights of the mother. If she wouldn't be morally obligated to have any part of her body used to benefit her child after it's born then why should she therefore be obligated to carry an unborn fetus that is benefiting the from the use of her body against her will? Otherwise there is an inconsistency in her anatomical rights. Sorry, but her rights trump those of a fetus that isn't even yet fully developed, and it's not as if it would make any difference to a child that never go on to fully exist.
I absolutely love how Ben says, “Let me get this straight” and the entire crowd knows what’s about to happen
And the guy was thinking “So this is how my reputation ends once and for all”
Its his version of " so you are saying"
Great job copying and pasting someone else's joke ;)
It was at this moment the guy in the audience knew he fucked up! 😂😂😂
Its nice you can see him take a second and then boom. Unleashing the pain
My wife and I recently had our first child. We went through the massive ups and downs of pregnancy, and now our son is coming up on five months. It's incredibly difficult for me to imagine people advocating for abortion after seeing and feeling the real and vivid experience that is bringing a baby into the world, and the frankly obvious life that grows during that time. But above all, it's something you truly cannot understand until you're there in those moments. You simply cannot know what you're shutting down, and for those who say "Well I just don't want to know" that is an immeasurable tragedy.
This is not an argument , its just personal experience and 100% emotional , not logical .
The abortion debate is not as simple as "its a life so its bad"
Sorry,@@Blue-5, but facts don't care about your feelings. I wish you a speedy recovery from the Woke Mind Virus.
Its no argument at all. Are you having unprotected Sex with as many women as you possibly can? If not you're killing all these potential babies. Are you a murderer?
Fact is, you all made a choice and are happy with them. Good for you two. As for others though, they should be able to make that choice without force from the state one way or the other.
@@Petey-se1lo You shouldn't be able to "make a choice" for murder without consequences. The "fetus" is scientifically a human, it is by definition murder. You don't have to be religious to see common sense.
When Ben said: "Just to get this straight"
You know Ben was gonna wreck that guy
How many orphans in America right now? If you’re against abortion then adopt an orphan. Put your money where your mouth is.
@@jackknife5062 Isnt the goal of adoption to put these kids in the best scenario possible? Why are assuming that the person reading this who is pro life can take in a child and raise them as good as another person might be able to? Orphans deserve the best life possible, not u just to be thrown out to a pro life commenter because some ignorant asshole tries to guilt trip them into dong that.
@@supremehighlights7819if orphans deserve the best life all children deserve the best life possible and you said it yourself... a lot of people just can't provide that. If youre against abortions... Dont get one. Its that simple. Now on to my second point. Whats the one middle eastern government that has commited acts of terrorism against America? ...Israel. Ben shapiro supports israel. Ben shapiro is all for Israel. Hes not with you... Hes against you.. We're gentiles remember... I dont know why people support this guy knowing hes Jewish.
You're a racist and evil than a Fascist Nazi. There is too much fallacy in your statement, and the facts you provided are inaccurate and biased.
@@OreoFlavored1911 while I think abortions should be illegal, your comment has no logic behind it and instead is full of insults. sounds like something a snowflake would say.
Hello, I'm a bilingual here, just to let you know that "Just to get this straight" is Shapirish for Checkmate (3:17)
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Question guy: “..Yeah I’m TOTALLY fine with that.”
Ben: “I’m about to end this man’s entire career.”
😂
I know as soon as he said that I knew he was finished
It would be even better if Ben broke the 4th wall when he says that line.
At the end of our lives we all go to " choice " amen.
this so called choice ... why not call it what it is?
Dude set himself up for failure when he defined “life” but ill give him props for standing by it regardless of the back lash of the audience
High school chemistry lab then Andover trip
So if a guy stands up in a crowd and states that we never went to moon, or a "sovereign citizen" states that he can "travel" with no license and insurance like the rest of us, and both stick with the nonsense they are spouting, that they deserve "props"? Insane.
There is a pre-existing "life" -- it belongs to the girl or woman. Now, Ben is free to handle the birth control end of any arrangement he engages in. If the tech ever gets to that point he is free to have the fertilzed egg placed somewhere in his body and go for it. He does NOT have the right to tell any girl or woman what she will or will not allow to grow in her own body. She is not a brood mare -- an animal with no rights -- no matter what he or whatever sky god he believes is in charge may want to think. We will not be cowed -- or horsed -- by you people.
@@ToyKingWonder Yeah exactly there is a difference between being brave/courageous and being stupid/or evil.
@@csiszernorbert3451 SUCH as carrying a life and then helping a desperate couple with a baby. That's brave and selfless caring.. The option is not wanting the hassle of carrying a baby cuz one doesn't feel like it. It's such a burden to make a sacrifice. It's a big mess to take time when I could be out partying. 9 months is a long time to bring great joy via compassion to millions of people who can't get pregnant. Decisions decisions... Get this out of my body ASAP vs doing one of greatest acts that one can. Sounds like being SELFLESS or SELFISH has become a calculous test.
2:05 At that point, I'm done, my best friend was in a coma for over 3 months and was barely able to walk and talk for weeks after awaking and now he's one of the most alive and happiest people I've ever met...
Is he still the same person? Did he maintain his personality?
@@ignostic7694 I can't say because I haven't known him that long to witness or see him in the hospital, it happened when he was a kid but I'd say he's still awesome as usual
@@Legominifiggriddy5602 so much for a best friend or so much for a sappy story...
@@bazileia9222 Yeah? How about the fact that we had such a good bromance relationship with me knowing him for less than 2 years says there's something more to the story, you're literally mocking my friend who nearly died while he was in his coma? He's older than me but it still stands we can still be great friends regardless, what point does it make for me to know EXACTLY how long he was comatose or EXACTLY how his body was changed from pre-coma to post-coma?
@@Legominifiggriddy5602 I was in no sense mocking your friend, what is with all this victim mentality, I was mocking your claim on being beste friends, but you never bothered to know the man before ge was in coma?...
This guy screwed himself so bad that even Ben warned him where he was going.
"Don't stop your enemy when they're making a mistake"
Answer the fool according to their folly
@@DougWarner25 fucking legend
The guy from the surrounded debate at the last part is also the same guy here!
I knew I recognized him from somewhere.
yup
Family member goes into coma "I'm about to end my family members whole career".
@@novacorps325 I meant career as in life but ok chief.
@@novacorps325 Bruh, obviously it isn't but maybe if you weren't trying to be intellectual you would understand. Various people use this phrase, and ALOT of them having nothing to do with actual jobs. So get your Jimmy neutron ass out of here.
@@novacorps325 No one, in any real life conversation talks like that but what ever, also maybe you should use common sense and be like oh, okay I understand instead of being a smart ass, well I got better things to do. Not really but I'm getting tired of this conversation.
@@curlydingo9042 Your joke just makes you look irreverent. You speak just like an anime-infected kid. No surprise you came up with such meme.
Seems like people in this comment section have great sense of humor...
Funny how he brought up how babies can recognize their parents voice as soon as they are born....wouldn’t that mean they are capable of building bonds and memories in the womb? Smh 🤦♀️
Actually babies recognize sounds and their mothers voice inside the womb
@@israeladesanyasgyno999 Yes.
Well I don't know but when I was talking to my baby when he was still in the womb we always started kicking when I was talking to the belly...
Yes they do. Language begins in the womb.
Babies do grow self conscious in the womb.they will hear what we hear.feel what emotions we feel,smile in womb,see their hands and feet..
Ben’s smirk after his “nine months” comment should have made the other guy just quit
The election after November should make conservatives quit.
Or start to be proper Americans.
@@jimtownsend3910 Not until self proclaimed eighteen wheel truck driver Joe Biden is gone. Lol.
I would have quit the second I was given the mic
@@stevelopez372 America was never great
It went over his head.
Why do some humans not value human life? We’re supposed to be biased towards our species. If my dog is attacking a kid, I’m gonna harm the dog to make it stop.
Baby's body, baby's choice.
Legend says Ben wins arguments with his wife
Impossible but good point :)
now that is an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object
Not with her dry af p wordddd lmao
@@morteza.a2210 a man of culture
@@nicolemarshall5235 oooo we have a karen in here talking from experience💀💀
The saddest thing is this dudes logic will be on the internet forever
Ilogic
Throughout human history 😅
Haha, the saddest thing will be if he doesn’t change his opinion
His foolishness, you mean. It's amusing watching someone dig themselves into a deeper and deeper hole, without any sense of it. I loved it when the student finally dug himself so far down that he couldn't counter his own argument that killing Fluffy the Hamster is deeply wrong, but killing a person because they're in a coma and might lose their memory is okay. I'm reminded of that wonderful maxim, "The first thing you do when you realize you're digging yourself into a hole is STOP DIGGING." :)
@@rowanaforrest9792 to play devil's advocate, not "memory problems", but total amnesia.
Hope this guy's family member never ends up in a coma. Who knows what would happen
I thought the same thing. If this person's loved ones ever slip into a coma, they are screwed.
His family watching this like 👀
He'd probably act a lot different than what he said he would.
Don't worry, his hamster will live.
@Neevan Thapa Don't hope that somebody doesn't fall into a coma? So, hope they fall into a coma?
Just teasing; however, we have surpassed politics, this isn't just what are we gonna do with this land, how are we gonna make this trade, etc. This is to the point of questioning one another's morality. What we define as murder. Our identities and beliefs. I don't know about you but I couldn't be friends with somebody who believes killing a baby, or in this instance, a person in a coma for 9 months with memory problems is morally right.
Him saying he was okay with pulling the plug on the guy in a coma only because his memories wouldn't return directly counters his previous point on life being valuable *because of consciousness*
The guy would wake up and be conscious and aware
He bought a VIP ticket....so he gets roasted FIRST LMAO
Ok even though this guy lost the debate he was extremely respectful and that’s all you should ask for sometimes
True
S.I.C.K Art true
@@zphoenix2922 true
Agreed. I'm surprised how few comments are talking about that. At least the guy is consistent in his philosophical views. Although I think if he ever has a close relative go into a coma, he will have some serious rethinking to do. But he took the debate all in good spirit, WAY better than most who argue with Ben.
Someone: gets into a coma
This guy: I'm about to end this whole mans life
Your choice is to have or not to have sex. That is your choice! NOT TO KILL A HUMAN BEING!!!
Ben forced this dude to start digging a hole and he never stopped digging
Ben FORCES snowflake to dig HOLE, snowflake never stops DIGGING.
Reptar Slice he lost the second he admitted hes fine with a man in a coma with memory loss being put down
I notice that happen sometimes. To avoid admitting they're wrong, people often just keep going with it and in doing this they dig their own grave because they seem more and more like horrible people.
People say that today he is currently only 100 yards from earth's core trying to prove his point...
Reptar Slice that is the concept of the debate tactic known as a snuck premise :)
Thug life moment ‘lets say 9 months’ lol that was beautiful. Arguing with him is like playing chess with kasporov or fischer. You wont know the mistakes youre making while building your offense. So many moves ahead...
Sad part is this debate does not show how good shapiro is, it just shows how remarkably moronic the the kid debating Ben is. A blind, deaf, mentally handicapped person could have won debate against this idiot. I mean he agreed that humans can be killed just because he does not feel they have any worth.
Are you following the chess championship between magnus and caruana? Go check out agadmator’s channel
Jonathan Scheib Shapiro only debates people that make him look smart. What psycho is gonna abort a baby after 9 months?
eduardo teddy that was sooo slick
Like a good chess player
When Ben says “so just to get this straight” you know that guy is doomed
Yes, that is him winding up for the killer punch
If this was an anime, that would be his one-liner before the heroic beatdown
There's no moral foundation behind pro-choice. The one and only thing about it is convenience
Ben could convince me that I have two left arms
UPDATE: I have two left arms. Change my mind.
Then you must be an idiot
DIO metaphorically not literally
You do and 2left legs as well! I feel bad for you!
Joseph Anistratov
Pshh nice try! Hahahahaha...
You’re joking right?
CRUSTYDOGTAINT lmao imagine someone actually had 2 left legs and arms playing sports 😂I would pay t💰 watch that!
"I dont have a problem with that"
Yeah you don't have a problem with that as long as you are not the one in the receiving end.
Exactly!
J3AN P3T3R plot twist, his whole family decided to kill him when he's completely fine. and literally no one mourns 😂😂😂
Hexl702 Nobdy is inflicting unwanted suffering. It’s dumb to say so because no body is forcing you to have sex and get pregnant.
Hexl702 I do have an answer. It’s called celibacy. If you are not willing to accept the risk of pregnancy and carrying a human being inside for 9 months, don’t have sex.
To think that by holding parents responsible for getting their child’s needs met, especially when they chose to partake in an activity that directly caused their child’s state of dependency and vulnerability, is inflicting unwanted suffering, is nothing but entitlement.
J3AN P3T3R i mean i would rather die than forget all my memories...?
He thinks that life is memory. I would feel sorry if one of his parents gets dementia
I’m pro choice for women who have been raped, why would you want a baby knowing that’s the kid of the man who raped you? I feel like women have the right to decide in that case, or if the doctor tells you it’s going to be a complicated pregnancy bc some women are more at risk of death and the docs will tell you if it’s a risky pregnancy. Any other reason is just selfish
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You have a valid point, but why did you choose to reply to this comment?
Mr. Name I was bored
@@jacob2343432 In the vast majority of cases you can't prove if you were raped or not so making a law that you could have abortions if you were raped wouldn't make sense. If you allow anyone who says that they have been raped literally anybody could claim that they were and the law essentially is completely pro choice. on the other hand if you make it so that you have to have proof you were raped then there will be a many women who were raped but won't be able to get an abortion, and once again the law doesn't work.
Andrew V big facts
I feel for Ben having to clarify the obvious. This was great!❤
Ben is a bloody legend, one of the quickest minds out there.
And an even quicker mouth
forza juventus He's very well-informed, he always has a strong stance on what he believes, and he's very logical
Kay Collins and ur an Ozzie. Haha. I agree.
3:17
“So... just to get this straight...”
**pause, laughter**
That was fantastic.
Everyone knew what was comming😂😂
Jay Are
Very sad though
🤣🤣🤣
They knew something good was coming.
I like how the guy’s a good sport about it
He’s a dipshit
@@emeraldelle6 He might be stupid but at least he's respectful, it's always nice seeing a civil human being in this day and age
@@NNiffy I think he’s too much of a zombie to know what emotions are. He prolly walked out of there thinking he did something revolutionary
@@NNiffy he didn’t look all SJW’d out
True. Contrast this with the events wherein he was repeatedly heckled and interrupted.
Pro-murder people try not to sound like absolute psychopaths challenge (impossible)
Pro-forced-birth (pro-slavery) people try not to sound like someone who doesnt care about a woman's self-ownership and individuality challenge (impossible)
@@Blue-5 no way you know what any of those words mean 💀
Yeah those pro Israel supporters really confuse me too
The Isra el supporters confuse me too
@@MiyazakisPVPexperience
Pro-life gives a fetus more rights over a woman's body than the woman herself
It disrespects a woman's individuality , by forcing them to sacrifice resources from their body to support and grow another human being inside of them
Props to the guy for at least engaging in civil discourse and not devolving into a childish spectacle. Now he knows his position is nonsensical and can formulate a new, more complete one.
Jason McGuinness that’s what needs to happen
He needs to go get mental help. What he said is not normal.
Which is how most arguments should go. So many right wingers here foam at the mouth if someone else has a different point of view. Discuss, argue. That's how we progress, not mud slinging before the argument has even commenced.
Exactly, he didn't think his ideas out thoroughly enough before going out there and speaking, its a chance for him to rethink what he actually believes. A good discussion
Ian 9876 that doesn’t mean he is going to change his stance on abortion. If it’s not your body, you don’t have a right to decide for someone. Just like if someone wants to do drugs or whatever doesn’t mean we throw them in jail unless they are violent/hurting others.
Fair play to the other guy tho. Wasn’t agressive and took the loss well
WHY WOULD HE BE AGGRESSIVE ?
Glenn, because that is what these brain dead liberal millennials do.
@@whitekaren7742 because some people come up against Ben like a mack truck all rude and uppity. Ben will debate respectfully if his opposition is, which is what this poorly prepared young man did. He didn't listen well, nor was he a good debater but he took the loss well.
Maybe he'll be better prepared next debate
I'm not sure the guy actually realized that he had lost...
@@daviesdavies538 usually the Blue haired feminist woke leftist devils are tha way. This dude was just a d u mb as s
"So just to get this straight....killing fluffy the hamster. Deeply wrong. Killing a dude whos about to wake up from a coma in 9 months with memory problems. Totally cool."😂😂😂 Love Ben's analogies
The problem is, that the analogy doesn't work. If the hamster was in coma and had similar problems it would be the same. And those hamsters are euthanized so? :D
@@depressedcockroach4045 lol @ you thinking THAT'S the problem with the idea 😂🤣🤣
@@depressedcockroach4045 pretty sure that wasn't the guys logic, coz the guy said we shouldnt kill animals full stop
The problem is that a fetus has no personal identity, connections to others, or consciousness, so they're a false equivalence really. The guy brought up the point early on but I guess he got flustered and forgot about it. If he had stuck to his guns it might been a bit more interesting.
@@jacobjackson5665 but this fetus isn't going to be a fetus forever. It's gonna have potential to be a human one day, duhhhh
Holy crap, it's Jubilee guy.
The guy went too far trying to prove his own point and Ben made him corner himself, amazing
No, he didn't. Shapiro is just loud, fast and egotistical.
@@RoseNoho yup.
How is ben loud and how is he egotistical? He's using a mic dipshit. He's never actually raised himself, only raised conservatives in general, in what way does that make him egotistical? Ben is proud of his accomplishments, which makes him egotistical? Listen to yourself talk dimwit
@WeebSlayer666, how is Ben loud? You answered that, he's using a mic. How is Ben egotistical!? I hope you are joking. What has he accomplished? He's like a Kardashian, but not as attractive. Famous for being famous.
@@RoseNoho he isn't famous just to be famous, he earned his place, he is a great debater, he makes sense pretty much all of the time I haven't seen a time he hasn't yet, he uses tactics to put himself in a better position. And it works great when the tactics are just facts and morals.
You gotta know when you've lost
The guy was on to something. A human is more than just something with human DNA.
When you start arguing with Ben, you've basically lost already.
Benny boy Shapiro had him from the start
@@Elitest2 no it kinda isint just cause something dosent have counsiousnis dosent mean its not alive
I dunno how you can qualify a win or loss...it is a matter of perspective. I personally believe abortion is morally wrong but i also feel it's not my choice to make n I'm against telling others what to do...even if it's wrong to me. I agree tha unborn baby is life and maybe shoul have rights but i also believe tha mother has a right to her own body. If she's a drug addict, forcing her to not do drugs to save tha baby infringes on her right to pursuit happiness and self medicate. I have no horse in this race but I understand both sides, it is difficult. Basically, it yout decision ladies, you have to live with it and i always lean toward UNLIMITED FREEDOM rather than RESTRICTED FREEDOM. thb i wish i was aborted this world sucks and i do believe humans should be annihilated and cease to exist. Only in death do we get what we DESERVE.
Your odds are better winning Power Ball than winning a Debate with Ben Shapiro.
LsGunZ06 especially if your an idiot
Really? Let him try me.
@Tw1 should government force be applied to a woman's bodily autonomy rights oh wait that destroys your argument
@Tw1 a fetus has a right to life just not at someone else's expense. A mother has bodily autonomy rights. a example if a 4 month old needs a kidney it'll die the moms a match if she refuses does the government have the right to forcibly remove her liver no because she has bodily autonomy rights. The same thing applies to abortion the fetus Is using the moms body meaning she has bodily autonomy rights that the government has no say over.
Shapiro only wins debates when it's morons keeping score.
Actually babies can recognize voices before they’re born. It’s been proven that if the father speaks to the mother’s belly in pleasant tones the baby will react with smiles as soon as it can hear and register the sound of a voice they’ve heard before. So by this student’s own logic abortion is absolutely murder.
Honestly props to the kid for having a confidence to debate Ben
Ben was actually quite gentle with him.
@@megclif yeah brah
@@megclif Gently distructive
Not confidence, ignorance.
MrDavidelliottjr amen
The dude is just going through some cognitive dissonance. It's a matter of pride more than intelligence per se. Been there. Hope he gets fine.
Agree, Shapiro is in cognitive dissonance on many aspects, not only abortion...
He is weird like that also about his imaginary friend and other right wing talking points.
@@bazileia9222 That's a stupid thing to say about Ben.
@@TimK-1971 no, it is not, otherwise make an actual argument and not just a blank statement.
@@bazileia9222 that's a stupid thing to say about Tim
@@赴大家惡化不得好死時 how so? Care to explain?
Seems like a guy you can have legit discussions with and still be friends with him.
Unless you're in a coma, then you probably won't get out alive...
But he killed my uncle...
At least I still have my hamster. :/
Paul Elpers - 😂😂😂 Exactly...
Just don't drink too much, and if you do, make sure he loses his consciousness first.
Yeah, that's called tolerance.
I find it so odd where people are amazed by Ben's ability to examine points of view using logic and evidence. There was a time when this was more the norm, and where people who just yelled slogans were easily ignored. And people seem equally amazed that he's not some drooling, grunting monster as he is often portrayed by those who have zero chance of keeping up with him intellectually.
At least this ended peacefully with both of them laughing
he had no choice but to laugh
Laughing out of pain, pretty common this days
Peacefully after he stabbed his family member thats in a coma😂
As soon as he said he’d kill the guy who lost his memory I was completely finished listening to his point 😂😂😂😂
@Mary People can develop new memories though, so that person is absolutely NOT worthless. You aren't just "your memories", you are also your ability to create new ones (among other things). If somebody gets hit in the head and gets amnesia (which is much rarer than people realize), you don't automatically lose all value just because you can't remember who you are or who your loved ones are, in fact now you get the exciting new opportunity to build new relationships and new memories!
@Mary Do you remember every thing that happened yesterday? No, right? So i guess you never experienced the day at all and that you were never a person then! Your flawed perception of humanity in general is absolutely foolish.
@Mary Where do you think value comes from?
@Mary Yeah should've figured out that you think that life is merely just about memories. Your nihilistic perception of life is i hope temporary and, i truly wish to God that you will never have a loved one get amnesia or any memory loss of some sort.
@Mary That's interesting. Do you think that's where the root of value comes from, or is it just some examples you thought of?
This dude brought a sling shot to a gun fight.
More like a rubber band.
@IDENTIFIED_AS _AN APACHE HELICOPTER not even a golden sword. He's weilding some flowers for goodness sake.
A proper gun fight, like Wild West!
Looked to me like he brought a wallet to a gun fight but whatever floats your boating
And then he shot himself
That guy should stop talking. Everytime he does he sticks his foot in his mouth! 😂
The dudes arguing for argumentative sake. Would he really kill someone because they forgot who they were? Cmon.
he didnt want to contradict himself lol, i agree abortions should be legal but the arguments he proposed are horrible
@@justinc2633 Yep, legalize the right of murder of an unborn fetus, just because it inconveniences the mother because she has the right to choose whether a human being lives! Yep, good argument. I'm seriously worried about the mindset of people like you and your mental health.
@@allxrtx6594 would you compromise and agree with allowing abortion for incest or rape victims? (I know It's a very small percent of abortions)
@@justinc2633 why isn't it a person yet? It's the early stage of a human. Is a baby not a human because it's still developing. It has human cells and DNA unique to itself. How can't you classify that as human?
@@endaorourke4637 my cum has human cells and dna unique to myself, is my cum a human being?
I like how people that disregard life, have already been born...
@@joseronaldo8293 lol damn why so self centered?
😂
Quality of life, is that valuable? According to the WHO, people end their own lives at a rate of 1 person / every 40 seconds. I know it's a different argument but to just look at a fertilized egg as life and not regard other aspects, isn't winning a debate. It's very reductive. I get that Ben wants to give the strongest points to show his values are superior but at the other spectrum, euthanasia... It's not that simple but in certain cases, I could see merit for such a procedure.
I agree, abortion isn't preferable but making it illegal isn't going to stop it from happening just as making euthanasia illegal isn't going to stop suicides. There is a whole other level of discussion to be had about surrounding factors but in the mean time, having abortion as an option is probably the most healthy way of dealing with pregnant people not wanting to give birth.
So you can't be blindly pro-life (in the core sense that it currently describes itself) and hold humanistic values at the same time.
So it isn't virtuous to be pro-life by itself.
@@justanothernick3984 the argument that people will continue to perform abortions even if it is outlawed is a false one, because crime continues despite it's illegality. When laws permit certain imoral behaviours, they then are wrongly perceived as legitimit from a moral standpoint, and when this happens society becomes more and more decadent. We should aim for what should vs what we want to do.
that guy should’ve just sat down after Ben’s “9 months” comment. he got absolutely finished😂
He didn’t even have to form an argument, he literally clarified the other kid’s position.
*"i believe life is valuable if they can feel pain"*
People with CIP: 😔
What is CIP?
@@molcatz9634 A disorder that prevents you from reacting to touch the same as normal. They can't feel pain essentially
Nina Harrington so if a woman miscarries at say 5 weeks that embryo was a valuable human life, a baby deserving of a proper funeral and burial?
@@KM-np1rf Yes. If the family so chooses. Why not! My mom asked for a burial when she miscarried my older brother at 8 weeks.
Nina Harrington chooses? Of course you can choose to my point is that it’s FAR from the norm. Women miscarry everyday and some wouldn’t even notice and thinks it’s just a really bad period. It is a false comparison to say at conception an embryo is a human baby, and that people who get abortions are “killing babies.”
*sips water
@@KevinLopez-mw4bi *Liquid
now this is epic
Another Name warm ice*
I don't get it. Why did this Mikyla person writing "sips water", deserve 61 thumbs up?
*siiiiiiiip* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
Nobody:
People who argue with Ben Shapiro: where does it say that a kid has to be a boy in order to be a Boy Scout?
Ben: in the name Boy Scouts
I am being humble when I am telling you that I am the most powerful strongest coolest smartest most famous greatest funniest Y*uTub3r of all time! That's the reason I have multiple girlfriends and I show them off on my ch*nnel all the time! Bye bye manyn
We need to reintroduce the (supposedly intimidating) philosophical concept of _telos_ into this discourse. What things _are_ is partly a function of what they are _for,_ of what they are _directed to._
Moral of the story: don’t be unprepared when debating Ben Shapiro
Correction:
Moral of the story: Don’t debate Ben Shapiro*
@@matthewschmitz6531 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery(lust), fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
Ben is immortal
@@faedraarias278 the Saints will share in the immortality of God at the resurrection, sayeth the Lord Jesus.
I'm pretty sure he **thought** he came prepared. But he clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Ben walked him into a corner he didn’t see coming, but instead of admitting defeat that ego made him double down on his stupidity.
wrexx what are you on about? He annihilated the kid.
Shahzaib Ahmed ummm right. I agree 100% and my opening post reflects that. What are YOU on about?
I'll do you one better WHY are you on about!
khrien Ar'Kanin
Ben is type of guy you want to punch in a argument, but cheer to when he's arguing with others
Why would you ever want to punch this beautiful mother fucker?
The kind of guy you want to be on your side :)
True
Who else is here after he debated Ben on Jubilee?
I knew that I remembered him from something.
he opened his mouth and he lost
So true. Facts never care about your feelings
Yeah, Ben really shouldn't bother opening his mouth since it's obvious what results
He didn't lose though. The fact that you don't like his position doesn't make him wrong... Ben didn't even address the guy's argument. He just said "let me see if I got this right" and then just restated the guy's position back to him...
Instant k.o
@@akaakaakaak5779 whattttt??
I bet the pro abortion guy plays this moment over and over in his mind trying to win, but still, Ben murders him in his own dreams lol
@ probably more wiser use of words choice to prove his point but we'll never get a sequel for this.
Ulises Garcia - it’s not that funny .
LAughter at the expense of decency is.
Criminal .!
Every person that hates
God loves death .
Proverbs 8:36 .
@@kevinbarton1661 what has God got to do with this dear? Bens Jewish?
People are literally lining up to be verbally destroyed by this man
The ability to process all that so quickly is ...superhuman
Yes, and he gets a lot of practice. He gets the same arguments and questions over and over.
There's no such thing as,a little pregnant ! Only pregnant.
Now I'm curious too... what's the point?
He’s saying either youre pregnant or not! There is no in between.
@@novacorps325 I'm sure that's true, but what does that have to do with what he said
@@novacorps325 technically it could be kind of an in between, but factually it isn't, its just the embryo heading towrds the uterus.
The right thing to say is: "Process" The female is in a process of getting pregnant but it is not in any way an in between
@@novacorps325 that's not an in between. That's just non pregnancy
Babies can also recognize their parents voices while in the womb. They can also feel pain while in the womb.
Lisa Blakley they begin capable of feeling pain after about 20 weeks, and after that time abortion is illegal
Sophie Rodgers that’s not true. The nervous system is developed in the first trimester. With that the baby can feel pain. And abortion is not illegal. It was just legalized up until birth in New York.
@@lisablakley5051
Abortion should be totally illegal. At any stage. For any reason.
SteenyStuff I agree 100%
Sophie Rodgers how do you know though and how is it proven that the baby can’t feel pain up to a certain point? You can’t exactly ask them to be sure, so honestly it’s all just a guess. Like someone else stated, the nervous system is one of the first things to happen in development, I’m not convinced they can’t feel pain until a certain age in weeks.
I bet that guy has nightmares about Ben.
Nah he turned him into a fan
He doesn't. My brother has a couple classes with this kid and he thinks that he won the debate..lol
@@i_read_bad_reviews jajaja you are right.
@@ntantar at least he thinks. Jajaja
Let Him Watch Abortion Videos