i used to like using the Light Elemental for downtime cos of the really cheap Curagas and buffs.. but yeah they were quite underused cos people would usually have someone who could cast those buffs already and they were a bit finicky
Yeah, but I blame SE for that. Obviously, they didn't show SMN any love in the early years, but I think that they should've made the spirits cost no MP. The spirits should have also been like having an extra BLM on the team, and the spirits should have casted much more frequently. That would've been really helpful since you can buy the elementals before you have all the avatars.
FFXI SMN = Controller of the Gods FFXIV SMN = Flashy Side Kicks I main smn on both platforms but FFXI is just so much better and makes you feel more powerful.
Right? They completely took away any sort of Summoning identity it had with the rework. I was a SMN main from day one and lost all interest in the job now.
@@Akihito_Kanbara That sucks, don't undertsnad why they cant just have static summons and you command them to use their skills whilst havign a few of your own. Hope you find a replacement job
@@Akihito_Kanbara that's why I don't understand all the praise Yoshi gets. He removed the identity from all the classes. They all feel samey. You're either ranged dps, melee dps, heals, or tank. Sad change from 11 to 14.
@@Revenu yep. For the first few years things were great. Even after they toned down on choosing your own cross class skills, things were still complex and unique enough for classes to have an identity. Now everything has been gutted and dumbed down to the point all you're really doing is choosing how you want your flashy lights to look. The game used to be so great. I started in 1.0 alpha, paid my sub throughout the relaunch, got my Legacy status, and stayed for many many years. Only ever quit for a few months at a time, until Endwalker. Now the game is clearly made for the casual fan base who is only in it for the cutesie characters and outfits. Sad to say Dawntrail is the first time I have zero desire to go back. RIP FFXIV
Thanks man. This was my first mmorpg and the only one i really liked. It's unique style ruined the others for me lol. I started playing when I was 11! So thats... 2002 i think. SMN was my favorite class but unfortunately they ruined it completely. You could never really use your summons in parties and so everyone made you a bootleg whm. I hear it's better now. Back then it was brutal. I'll never understand why they made such an amazing and important FF class so weak! Finally after getting to 75 with smn i tried out bard and discovered it was my actual favorite job to play lol. DNC and BLU were cool, too. I quit when i was like 17 and never looked back so I missed out on all the improvements that that game DESPERATELY needed. Man, SE treated us so bad in FFXI. That game was tough! Amazing, but so hard. I wished they would've given us male mithra and female galka. That whole game was so restrictive... I could never play it now. Anyway, thanks for the nostalgia.
I've play a looot of XIV. Started after endwalker launched but have more than 3k hours and all jobs on 90. I still love the game and will propably play every new expansion and patches until the game is shut down, but after started playing XI and experiencing its blue mage and summoner i can't say i like how accessible XIV is. It's wierd seeing all the monsters, locations a npcs copy pasted from XI to XIV, the former has a lot more natural difficulty spike between normal and hard content. Meanwhile XIV normal and hard is like a night and day, everything is so easy and suddenly on savage you're not permited to slip up once .
totally agree. the baseline for 11 with content is generally higher and there really isn’t such a thing as “trash mobs” in any challenging content, and in the past exp mobs. a lot more mattered in the day to day as well, like enemy type, their specific elemental or physical weaknesses, TP moves to look out for and avoid. You really get rewarded for understanding these fundamentals and they carry through the entire game
The only avatars I don't like are Atomos and Siren. I feel like Atomos isn't fleshed out/useful enough and I don't like the design. Siren, honestly, looks like Garuda's cousin. She's green, has wind powers, and wings. I think they should have switched up her design and color scheme to differentiate her from Garuda. Maybe play up the fairy aspect of Siren instead.
Something that always irritated me about summoner (out of many things) was the uselessness of the spirits. They could've done so much with it. Why add it when they have no use? They should've made the spirits cost no MP to keep out and basically made them really good BLM pets who can buff and debuff at random. That would've been helpful.
I ended up doing a while year long study along with another summoner (Spira) at the time. They were usable, but their AI and cryptic random spell cycles made them hard to use. Out of all of them, dark spirit was the one that I almost never found use for. They feel further behind after the 75 cap when they received no love after that point at all.
@shinsetsusha yeah thats when they were still okay at 75 cap. After the cap went past 75, they didn't get updated with the new stronger spells or faster cast times. Summoning skill seemed to reach a point of diminishing returns after 75 and they fell behind even quicker. Summoning skill used to decrease cast and recast time of spirits spells and increase their magic accuracy, but seemingly not damage. Certain spells had triggers that would force the spirit to use them. Light spirit for instance may cast cure V or Curaga 4 if one or more alliance members were below half health. It could even cast healing and raise III across parties or alliances. I used light spirit tons as smn in the early days of dynamis.
It's sad, especially since Trusts have become so pervasive. We can't control what they cast, so SE could at least give them a BLM protocol so they could maybe MB instead of reapplying Drown over and over.
I have no idea why SE shows no love to smn seeing as it's an iconic FF class. You'd think a mage who could summon otherworldly gods would be incredible. Even in FF11 they nerfed SMN. It wasn't till much much later (over a decade) that they finally gave it some buffs. It's a shame because it's such a cool concept... They never let it be great. I always imagined it as a major magic DD (right under BLM) with additional support. In the early days of FF11 tho you couldn't even keep your summons out in parties because they drained so much MP over time. It sucked.
Yoshi P doesn't like pet classes from what I was told which sucks because 14 could have had an awesome pet system. We may have even seen beastmaster as a melee pet job :(
Well, time to immediately resub to 11 and play my SMN.
Im contemplating going back but I forgot my information. I dont remember my playonline id or anything... just my character name. What should I do?
@@Topei007 reach out to support. If you have you email they can help. Otherwise you may have to just buy fresh unfortunately.
@@Topei007 Reach out to support or just redo it all. Honestly? these days its easy just gotta stick with it
It's been 2 years time to rejoin
First MMORPG I played on release & still my favorite. ❤️
Awesome video. Good lord the nostalgia flows strong.
Thank you for making this video. Brings back some damn good memories
I always thought the elementas were criminally underused
i used to like using the Light Elemental for downtime cos of the really cheap Curagas and buffs.. but yeah they were quite underused cos people would usually have someone who could cast those buffs already and they were a bit finicky
Yeah, but I blame SE for that. Obviously, they didn't show SMN any love in the early years, but I think that they should've made the spirits cost no MP. The spirits should have also been like having an extra BLM on the team, and the spirits should have casted much more frequently. That would've been really helpful since you can buy the elementals before you have all the avatars.
Way better than ffxiv summoner by a long shot
Great showcase was an interesting watch!
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thanks for the support :)
Summoner and blue mage were both done right in this game and definitely worth playing
FFXI SMN = Controller of the Gods
FFXIV SMN = Flashy Side Kicks
I main smn on both platforms but FFXI is just so much better and makes you feel more powerful.
How I wish XIV summoner was my god!
Im going to have to play this
Right?
They completely took away any sort of Summoning identity it had with the rework.
I was a SMN main from day one and lost all interest in the job now.
@@Akihito_Kanbara That sucks, don't undertsnad why they cant just have static summons and you command them to use their skills whilst havign a few of your own.
Hope you find a replacement job
They've overhauled the XIV SMN to be closer to this. Hopefully, they'll expand it to be even closer to this.
@@Akihito_Kanbara that's why I don't understand all the praise Yoshi gets. He removed the identity from all the classes. They all feel samey. You're either ranged dps, melee dps, heals, or tank. Sad change from 11 to 14.
@@Revenu yep. For the first few years things were great. Even after they toned down on choosing your own cross class skills, things were still complex and unique enough for classes to have an identity.
Now everything has been gutted and dumbed down to the point all you're really doing is choosing how you want your flashy lights to look.
The game used to be so great. I started in 1.0 alpha, paid my sub throughout the relaunch, got my Legacy status, and stayed for many many years. Only ever quit for a few months at a time, until Endwalker.
Now the game is clearly made for the casual fan base who is only in it for the cutesie characters and outfits.
Sad to say Dawntrail is the first time I have zero desire to go back. RIP FFXIV
Thanks man. This was my first mmorpg and the only one i really liked. It's unique style ruined the others for me lol. I started playing when I was 11! So thats... 2002 i think. SMN was my favorite class but unfortunately they ruined it completely. You could never really use your summons in parties and so everyone made you a bootleg whm. I hear it's better now. Back then it was brutal. I'll never understand why they made such an amazing and important FF class so weak!
Finally after getting to 75 with smn i tried out bard and discovered it was my actual favorite job to play lol. DNC and BLU were cool, too. I quit when i was like 17 and never looked back so I missed out on all the improvements that that game DESPERATELY needed. Man, SE treated us so bad in FFXI. That game was tough! Amazing, but so hard. I wished they would've given us male mithra and female galka. That whole game was so restrictive... I could never play it now. Anyway, thanks for the nostalgia.
Miss my smn still need diablos and most of the later attained avatar
I've play a looot of XIV. Started after endwalker launched but have more than 3k hours and all jobs on 90. I still love the game and will propably play every new expansion and patches until the game is shut down, but after started playing XI and experiencing its blue mage and summoner i can't say i like how accessible XIV is. It's wierd seeing all the monsters, locations a npcs copy pasted from XI to XIV, the former has a lot more natural difficulty spike between normal and hard content. Meanwhile XIV normal and hard is like a night and day, everything is so easy and suddenly on savage you're not permited to slip up once .
totally agree. the baseline for 11 with content is generally higher and there really isn’t such a thing as “trash mobs” in any challenging content, and in the past exp mobs. a lot more mattered in the day to day as well, like enemy type, their specific elemental or physical weaknesses, TP moves to look out for and avoid. You really get rewarded for understanding these fundamentals and they carry through the entire game
Surprised you didn't turn the blur effect off so they wouldnt be so jagged
wait you can do that? haha.
now that you mention this i sorely miss the old smoky avatar glow
@@wilddragonchase Yeah lol, /localsettings blureffect turns it off. I miss it too! T__T;;
The only avatars I don't like are Atomos and Siren. I feel like Atomos isn't fleshed out/useful enough and I don't like the design. Siren, honestly, looks like Garuda's cousin. She's green, has wind powers, and wings. I think they should have switched up her design and color scheme to differentiate her from Garuda. Maybe play up the fairy aspect of Siren instead.
Even in a showcase, can't find a use for Atomos.
to be fair i wasn't really trying haha. maybe next time
Ugh...I really wish they allowed the summons like this in XIV. So disappointed.
Something that always irritated me about summoner (out of many things) was the uselessness of the spirits. They could've done so much with it. Why add it when they have no use? They should've made the spirits cost no MP to keep out and basically made them really good BLM pets who can buff and debuff at random. That would've been helpful.
I ended up doing a while year long study along with another summoner (Spira) at the time. They were usable, but their AI and cryptic random spell cycles made them hard to use. Out of all of them, dark spirit was the one that I almost never found use for. They feel further behind after the 75 cap when they received no love after that point at all.
They randomly use powerful ancient magic, at least they did when 75 was the cap.
@shinsetsusha yeah thats when they were still okay at 75 cap. After the cap went past 75, they didn't get updated with the new stronger spells or faster cast times. Summoning skill seemed to reach a point of diminishing returns after 75 and they fell behind even quicker.
Summoning skill used to decrease cast and recast time of spirits spells and increase their magic accuracy, but seemingly not damage.
Certain spells had triggers that would force the spirit to use them. Light spirit for instance may cast cure V or Curaga 4 if one or more alliance members were below half health. It could even cast healing and raise III across parties or alliances. I used light spirit tons as smn in the early days of dynamis.
It's sad, especially since Trusts have become so pervasive. We can't control what they cast, so SE could at least give them a BLM protocol so they could maybe MB instead of reapplying Drown over and over.
This makes me want to level SMN but I am such a newb it will take ages LOL
you can do it!
Isn't it super easy to level up these days?
This is better than 14 WTF.
Adored this game until someone hack my account and I lost hundreds if not thousands of hours of gameplay and summoner was my absolute favorite main
🙁
Can this game even be played any more? I miss my old SMN...
yes the servers are still active! but it can only be played on PC
Too bad Ifrit couldn't do Hellfire
Music timestamps?
0:05 Battle Theme
2:06 Battle In the Dungeon
4:16 Battle Theme #3
6:16 Tough Battle #2
8:45 Onslaught
10:55 Mercenaries' Delight
13:09 Clash of Standards
14:50 Melodies Errant
18:04 Steel Sings, Blades Dance
20:13 Ragnarok
What? In 11 you can summon all that shit? Literally no excuse not to give us Shivah, Leviathan and Ramuh in 14.
FF14 summoner is a such downgrade compared to FF11.
I have no idea why SE shows no love to smn seeing as it's an iconic FF class. You'd think a mage who could summon otherworldly gods would be incredible. Even in FF11 they nerfed SMN. It wasn't till much much later (over a decade) that they finally gave it some buffs. It's a shame because it's such a cool concept... They never let it be great. I always imagined it as a major magic DD (right under BLM) with additional support. In the early days of FF11 tho you couldn't even keep your summons out in parties because they drained so much MP over time. It sucked.
Yoshi P doesn't like pet classes from what I was told which sucks because 14 could have had an awesome pet system. We may have even seen beastmaster as a melee pet job :(
Wow even the summons are boring in this game. Glad thing I skipped this entey
We're glad too
They aren't boring, check xiv if you wanna see boring
You missed out. Summer in 14 is literally a steaming pile of mediocre
having this in an mmo is never been done ever u sound like a retarded zoomer stay in ur lane skidmark