The Curious Case of Final Fantasy XI Remake
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- As someone who has been following the developments of the reboot/remake of Final Fantasy XI for almost 10 years now, I thought I would share my thoughts on a potential remake in the future and how I believe it will happen.
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really didnt expect the comments on this video to blow up like this! its clearly a divisive topic, with different views on how best to handle FFXI's legacy, but from what i see there is an overwhelming love for FFXI! keep the comments coming 😃
i really hope there will be an ff11 remake with unreal engine, i bought 11 but i never got to play it and with the Yawntrail expansion, FF14 is over for me, if this is the kind of story we get as a foundation for the next 10 years, thx im good, im out xD
If this does end up being a FF11 remake or whatever, it'd be interesting to see. I never played 11, only 14, and god... 14 got boring. I quit in February of 2023 because the community just, frankly, sucked. Hyper toxic towards anybody who ends up saying ANYTHING negative against their precious game. And this is coming from somebody who has played since Heavensward. So I have zero interest in coming back, even for dawntrail, I even had a mansion in the goblet that I had owned since patch 3.3. So maybe 11 will be better.
they're not doing a remake. they already scraped ffxi mobile prior to covid, and imo that was an ez money grab if they had launched it
Best thing I can tell you is to go give your input to pantheon rise of the fallen. We can have a newer version of ffxi if our input and vision is voiced and heard.
@@celestialkitsune I'm gonna say this, XI's community back in the early 2000s has been more friendly then XIV's community these days. People actually helped others in FFXI with anything and everything. XIV's community people don't help with shit. They stand in Limsa all day every day.
FFXI Is the best MMO to have ever existed.
Even better than FFXIV SB & EW???
@@lllool8404ff11 is an rpg and 14 is an action game, they're not really comparable
@@lllool8404yes
Agreed!!! There will never be anything like it again!
@@lllool8404 nothing in 14 felt like it had meaning. Everything was so easy. In FFXI we would have little celebrations when someone would level up, because even a single level up was a day's work.
No game has ever been the same after playing FFXI 😭 I miss the memories I made with my linkshell 😭
Do you still play?
Same
Play on Horizon XI. the level 75 era is still alive and strong.
"FFXI: A Realm Restored" one day please.
Yeah but they might want to workshop the title a bit lol
Give it like 5-10 years, they might make another mmo
As long as they don't throw a moon at Vana'diel to remake it.
I would pay whatever they wanted for this. Especially if I could port my characters over. hell even if not I would still do it. LoL
yeah no lets not call it that. too similar to that tragic garbage yoshi pee ff14
If they're ever going to release a XI remake I'll take a month off work and nerd it up 24/7 like it's 2003.
One of the best party based co-op mmos of all time. Super challenging and rewarding
absolutely BRUTAL game but feels so rewarding to get like a SINGLE gear piece.
@@Direwoofgotta love being level 1 and getting absolutely destroyed by those damn rabbits, hahaha.
On the other hand, they had amazing holiday events, and just participating in the events was fun enough. I played FFXI for like a year and never really got past level 5. I just did easter egg hunts and explored stuff and died. A lot. Hahahaha
@@Direwoof most of the brutality was from competition. If they made a single player version, where it's just you, or you and enough friends for one alliance, it'd be perfectly balanced. I've seen it happen on private servers
FFXI is one of the best MMOs ever made. 75 era was truly something unique and special.
75 era is sill alive and well on Horizon XI. Im about to get my beastmaster to 70 in about 13k.
FFXI walked so FFXIV could trip and fall, then get up and run 😂
lol touche. As did the Tarataru fall flat on his face at the XI character creation screen. Just trotting along..La..la…Fell.
ffxiv will never run lol.
@@hpbecraft Don't be dumb.
@@hpbecraft kinda late to say that huh guy
@@SolarRodent considering it's a bad game, nope, not late at all.
My first time logging into FFXI in 2003 blew my mind. I was so addicted it ruined my social life at the time despite the warning it gave you when you logged in to not forget your friends, family and job.
I called in sick alot 🤣🤣
I can't go through that addiction again... I'm still having withdrawals from ffxi lol
I know that feel man, ive been on and off private servers for this game and it still is eating at me to play again.
When I was in college I had been up all night in the dunes bashing snippers, my gf at the time texts me in the morning that she made a 100 on her exam and my reply out of a dead sleep was... "Congratulations on your level."
You and me both. I loved this game, but damn it ate up about 4 years of my life. As much as I'd love to, I can't do that to myself again.
It was that good?!??
@@DigiCube4 back then, yes. But now, the main thing that would keep me playing is the nostalgia. I'm not sure it would be very good for a first time nowadays
Ff11 is our home. We may journey to another games for a while or while longer but we always return. And if our home gets an upgrade thats even better id say!
the only way to scratch the itch is to go back and play again. still nothing like it
though i'm one of the stubborn that wont play 14 since trying it early and being disappointed. i played realm reborn but before any dlc and level 50 level cap.
yup. thats why i still play it too
@@HazukiHedgehog you should play 14 it’s great, but ff11 is still the best mmo ever
@@HazukiHedgehogFFXI still beats FFXIV, I got the FFXIV collectors edition prior to realm reborn and it was alright then after they remade it, it was even worse. 😂
Now I play on my own private FFXI server and love it.
@@HazukiHedgehog that was the best version of XIV too, right at the start. It’s only gotten progressively more homogenized and dumbed down since.
FFXI is still my favorite mmo!
Such s wonderful experience.
I would love to see a remake & know I'm not the only one.
Best title in the series and best MMO that's ever been!
My son (Ramrat) and I (IBHalliwell) have played FFXI since the PS2 NA release in March 2004. We saw an advertisement on TV and went OH! WOW! When I could, I went to Best Buy and purchased the game (40 GB HD) network adapter, keyboard, and mouse. I signed in, creating a POL account and two characters. We took turns playing the game, but we wanted to play together. It was back to Best Buy and a purchase of a Sony PS2, game, network adapter, keyboard, and mouse. We now have three POL accounts, 3 SE accounts, and 42 characters.
We would love for SE to release a 64-bit Windows with 4K or 8K graphics. I'd even repurchase FFXI and all the expansions at a higher price and pay a higher monthly fee. I hope SE will keep the existing client for a while so those with smaller systems can still play the game. The new version could be named: Final Fantasy XI 4K (FFXI4K).
its so cool that you did this with your son. i think that SE should keep existing client as long as possible too. theres just so many memories that have been made there over the past 20+ years
it released on pc, a whole year and half befor ps2
@@mikeduff2070 It was the ad on TV that caught our eyes. SE should update FFXI to 4K and then do another ad campaign.
@@mikeduff2070 What? No. The PS2 released 6 months before the PC version; In Japan. In North America it was 6 months after PC. The EU didn't get an official version until 6 months after the NA-PS2 version. As well the EU never got an official PS2 release, only PC.
FFXI is the greatest video game ever made.
Impossible to explain how good it was to those who did not get to play it in its prime.
You can explain it to them very easily just by telling them to download Horizon XI.
The main draw for me to this game was how incredibly CHALLENGING it was. During the 75 era, everything felt like an accomplishment. There was always something to work towards. The game was challenging for many reasons... experience parties were difficult find, so the players with the most initiative would constantly be using /sea all etc. FFXI forced teamwork and coordination. Jobs weren't just cookie cutters like in most games now, where they all feel roughly the same with some kind of damage abilities and healing abilities. Samurai made you feel like a samurai, linking skill chains and playing a key role. Thief was the treasure hunter/SATA. White Mage kept the group alive and Black Mage dropped bombs. Everyone had a clear role and felt their value.
Those were the golden years of MMOs for me. I was about 14 when the game was released and will never forget how incredible it was.
Talking about BLM dropping bombs makes me think of the freeze magic burst days. It was so sweet when an exp pt could actually make it work, 3/4 HP gone from an IT+. Good times!
@@Rancorous_Redwood Ancient magic spells at around level 47-50ish I think right? It was great times.
@@OsakaMotorcycleTours Yeah, they started in the 50s. I think it was a 18 second cast time, so the BLM actually had to start before the skillchain started. It took a cool amount of coordination.
There is always HorizonXI when you wanna return to that.
@@apathy5218 w/e
Best MMO game ever!!
The MMO in my opinion. Challenging, Satisfying, non-instanced for the most part, multi-language, building a party was half the fun, the sound fx and party mechanics were amazing, making something like world of warcraft look like a kids game by comparison. FFXI to me was hardcore. I played every job to 75 when that was the cap as it made it easier to build parties. Bard was my favorite job. My favorite game of all time.
You got everything job to 75? Well done, that was no easy achievement back in early 2000's.
It took me 6 months to get black mage to 75 back in 2006. I loved mana burn parties on skeles in King Ranperres Tomb.
I currently have all jobs to lv99 and MR max and JP 2100.
It's a great game, way better than any other MMO. Wow sucks compare to it.
Bards are op af in 11
A mobile version woulda been a$$
i cant even play with a gamepad, xi is alot of typing commands and binds.
as much as i wanted *any* remake to happen, i think we dodged the bullet with that one 😆
Yep it would have been great.
I'll play it for the story
Depends.
Is it action based like Genshi? If so, it would be more appealing than current XI. The combat of XI is a niche taste; and what I believe is holding the game back from modern audiences.
Wow, I wasn't expecting to see as many comments as I thought. Well here's my take. I don't mind the remake. However, this game needs to be for us vets who dreamt of seeing this.
FFXIV was supposed to be a continuation of FFXI, and I stand by that.
“The game needs to be for us vets”…..okay so you want the game to be right back on life support within a year? I didn’t realize that FFXI and games of its like are doing so well right now that they can afford to not implement features that would attract a fresh crowd. Now I fully get that you probably didnt mean it exactly as you said it, but honestly if the game came back out and it needed all the macros and junk that XI already has then I doubt it would retain 20% of the playerbase that FFXIV has. It definitely would need a way to make getting into a party more effective than sitting in San Doria yelling “35War/16Nin LFG etc etc” for an hour and a half when the player really only has like maybe an hour and a half at most to play on a Wednesday due to a combination of work and family. Then again the same “vets” would just say that that player should go play something else instead because FFXI is for them and their sweaty beards. No. FFXI should be remade yes but not specifically for the “vets who dreamt of seeing this”.
@@zedorian6547 Your opinion. Save it.
@@zedorian6547 Shut up, dork. I agree with you, @phostings1
It feels so nostalgic seeing the opening cinematic!! I used to love that game as a kid even though it was super boring lol. I loved having my own character and fighting monsters with my party, but I hated having to stand around for hours hoping to join a party.
Lmao, I feel that, as a SAM I had to start my own parties all the time, lucked out cuz my roommate at the time was a tank, so was never too boring, plus from 60-75 you always found yourself with the same people, biggest issue I had was my time slot for playing I got allot of "JP Onry" replies
If I was a billionaire I would go up to ENIX and drop 100 mil on their table
Just to say .. make it happen :D
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I played FFXI religiously for over 15 years, i truly believe its the best MMO ever, whether you liked the 75 cap era or what the game is today, but Playonline viewer is the reason it deserves a modern remake, it has to be one of the worst launchers ever. Even if knowing that if it ever got announced it would take probably 3~5 years for it to get released, i would get more hyped than the day i found out FF7 was getting a remake. A legendary, pioneer of a genre-changing classic deserves it.
Sure, PlayOnline is what it is. On the other hand, the nostalgia bomb of hearing that update music when you log back in the first time.
FFXI is the best MMORPG. I've never found one that even comes close to competing. XIV has great story and better graphics but as a game, it's still XI. I got rather psyched when I saw Dawntrail had item coffers named "Ra'Kaznar" and they're kind of associated with an area with a lot of purple ;)
I dabble in XIV. I use it to kill time late at night mostly, expansion story, then maybe around the updates. A proper remade XI would eat up huge, huge, huge chunks of my time.
i honestly thought ffxi was poorly designed. i remember playing with lvl 60 characters during the first era when that was cap and seeing they took long time to beat low lvl enimies thinking it was quite sad. The death knight quest where you had to go around beating enimies with a sword that only did 1 dmg till you beat 1000 enimies or something like that was prob that saddest thing a mmo could ever pull on player base. the actual story quests were kinda cool but there was so few of them and just grinding through the game was one of the things i never liked about earlier mmo.
@@mikeduff2070 Nah, that was awesome. It wasn't designed for solo basically at all (some exceptions, not design for but that worked around the design) past Lv.10 - and anything under Lv.10 you can kill in about a minute, solo. The Dark Knight unlock required killing 100 enemies with a specific weapon - it took like 1 hour, 2 hours if you were lazy, even at low levels.
The early game was pretty lacking, at 60 cap. You had the Zilart storyline. The moment the cap was raised it really took off, story wise.
That said: FFXI was a game without a rotation. You had so many options, and even more options that worked in specific niche cases. Your strategy could be different, the gear hunting was amazingly well done outside of the most extremely rare items. The story got better and better as it aged and people really had to know their job to get the best out of it. And there was actual variety in the jobs, as in: all DPS didn't do relatively the same damage, they weren't interchangeable. There is so much to like about that game it's impossible to stop. No game since has compared.
Agreed. As I am sure most of us who played XI have experienced, we've tried to fill that void with all the slop that came out since then. FFXIV is decent in its own right, but it doesn't really "GET" what MMORPG is about like XI did. Sadly, A lot of people may never experience such things.
We are in an era where square enix actually needs a launcher that Playonline was suppose to be. They should hire a dev from Amazon or Microsoft to build them a true launcher and rebrand the Playonline name. Then put all square enix titles under one subscription.
I don't know if they'd ever actually remake 11 but I yearn for the style of games like that.
PSOBB and the OG Ragnarok Online are my favorite mmos of all time and even after years pass I always go back and revisit them.
There's just something so fascinating about games like FFXI in which they put together all these strange concepts in what feels like what they imagined at the time would be the future of videogames.
It creates such a unique feeling and visual experience that not a single game in the past 20 years has ever considered visiting.
A FFXI port to the FFXIV engine would make a ton of sense for updated graphics. Both games could exist on shared infrastructure to reduce cost and increase performance, as FFXI servers are very slow and old.
It's so old Square Enix don't have original build files for the base game it got lost or deleted. They only have the modern version saved which was just prior to item level but max cap was lv99.
Technically they could do it but they don't want to and the programmers and engineers are not up for the task to re-write the backbone infrastructure for the new game engine and system.
I personally have my own private server I play on and customized to make my own version of Vana'diel and Its very fun, I'm my own Gamemaster as well 😂
You can’t port a game from one engine to another. It needs to be remade completely. They wouldn’t even accept each others assets or compile code the same way. Also the engine that created XIV is not good. You have no idea how rigged it is just to work, it took them how long to update a simple shader and add more lighting? Why? Because the engine couldn’t do it already. They use their own custom engine which still has the foundational burst compiling from 1.0 you really don’t want the XIV engine used for anything other than XIV. And even then it’s a wire nest of code.
@@Blink.M2Dev bruh. FF14 already has TONS of FF11 assets in it.
The most recent expansion, Dawntrail, which released like 5 days ago is filled with Mamoolja you'd see in Treasures of Aht Urgan.
The moon in FF14 has the empty from Chains of Promathis as basic enemies.
Absolute Virtue is even in the game.
They have like 70% of the assets ready-made.
@@Null_Experisthey also added the lizard model used for stuff like Leaping Lizzy in Dawntrail
@@Blink.M2Dev they literally reused 11 assets for 1.0
I would play ffxi again. It is the best game ever created. I was very sad when the remake got canceled.
Google Horizon XI. You're welcome.
It needs a remake purely so it can run on modern hardware. It's a great mainline FF, it deserves it.
I'm a sentimental idiot, currently playing ff14 but there will never ever ever ever ever ever be as an enjoyable game as ff11. And if they make a re-release for PS5... I'm going to have such a crisis in my hands. Might have to quit 14 and finally go back home. Ooh for those somber melancholy evenings on Miseurax Coast...
I want a PC and console remake/remaster so bad myself! As you, and so many others have already mentioned I'd have to take a lot of time off work and such to dive in and no life the mess out of it on both PC and PS5.
I've said for years that they should do an offline version where you can fill your party with Trusts from the get-go, or play online co-op with friends. Release it as the base game and have all the content from updates and expansions unlock as you progress.
I'd pay $100 usd just for the base game and $50 for each DLC and Expansion.
They need to work on global advertising for it as well.
I’ve thought the same. The servers will shut down eventually and the best game ever made needs to be officially preserved.
They have jt it's called ff11
100% this.
When it inevitably comes to the point where the servers shut down, I would LOVE to see an offline remake. Streamline everything, including quests, combat and exploration, so there's not as much "empty space" in the game, but keep the core the same. It would be amazing.
As a 14 addict who has never played 11 - I would play a reboot for sure. I respect 11 and it's community for giving me what I love but I'm not interested in playing 11 in it's current state.
I would love a traditional remake of FF 11 and 14 that just covers the main story for those of us that don't like and don't have time to play an MMORPG.
As much as XI was a huge part of my life, yeah this is the only way a remake of it should be done. No way can I play an MMO nowadays but I’d happily play a traditional single player vision of it.
*sigh* So you don't actually want to play XI or XIV, then? At that point just go watch a story summary.
@@Synthpopper Playing is funner than watching a story summary. The sad truth is that games like 11 and 14 take too many hours to complete. I finished 7 Rebirth after 140 hours, but I cannot afford to spend more hours on every FF.
@@hotdogs8170 that sounds like a too bad then
I don't doubt SE wants to revisit FF11, given the wealth of content there, but I'm skeptical on the idea that it would come back as it's own MMORPG again. Personally I would expect some kind of offline version or some kind of extension of FF14. Though I'd still welcome anything at this point considering how much I loved FFXI
making an entire expansion set in the world of 11 or even several wouldn't be too hard considering visiting other dimensions is already a thing in 14 now
@@Tinyflower1 Honestly, revealing Vanadiel as one of the remaining undiscovered reflections would be wild, and most welcome in a largely non-intrusive way.
It exists as its own world, and maybe we can bounce over there for a full expansion.
But I wouldn't at all be opposed to a singleplayer or offline story either. At some point, hopefully no time soon, FF14 is going to have to look at these options as well, but I'm confident the graphical update at least gave it another 10 years of life. IIRC Yoshi P has already stated that he would like to have the world of Hydaelyn continue in some way, as a game, should the MMO ever go offline.
Why wouldn't they make it an mmo, they make most of their money from 11, 14 and dq10
@@at0micl0bster because then you run into the exact same problem in 5 years.
Single player means the game is still playable in 50 years, and it's not lost art, never to be seen again
Remake it? There's a huge resurging market for classic mmos as they were in their glory days. Old School Runescape. WoW Classic. But SE still has their same old tired and empty 99 era servers they're still charging monthly sub for and refusing to launch their own 75 era servers that Im sure people would clammor over as many of the private 75 era servers and modded or just buggy as hell. They dont need to remake the game. They just need to re-release it in it's original 75 era glory and not stick with the crap "solo to 99 in 3 hours" crap it's become today.
Agreed on all points, I just want to add that Yoshida has gone on record saying he understands how important the game is to its fans, and that he is dedicated to preserving it so that it will always be accessible.
It's also one of only 2 mainline entries that currently cannot be played on PS4/5 (the other being 13).
God please let it happen. Also not technically spoilers but Dawn Trail references 11 with a new metal material for crafting gear named after Ra'Kaznar - the final area of Seekers of Adoulin (on top of the story and setting making numerous allusions to both Seekers and Aht Urghan)
Great Vid!
As a XI player since 2004, Man I would drool over a remake! I wouldn't go back to the life draining grind. But the memories would draw me in!
If they remake FFXI I'll play it, I have a special attachment to this despite never making it very far, only recently in a private server did I make it to like level 63
I wouldn't take any of the things you mentioned as any kind of decisive evidence, but it's certainly possible. I personally gave up hope after the mobile remake was cancelled, but anything's possible, though I do think that an offline remake in the vein of Dragon Quest X Offline is more probable in the sense of preserving XI's place in the mainline series.
But then again FFXIV's biggest competitor WoW has proven how different versions of the same game can support each other, so why not two different online Final Fantasys? And if they were to remake XI they might as well remake everything from the bottom up starting from the account system, so we could finally get combined subscriptions for both games.
You should be thankful anything attached to FFXI that was "mobile" was cancelled. Mobile is cancer to a game genre and a great way to load it up with microtransactions and battle passes and p2w crap and kill a title.
the goat of mmos, BUT the clunky ai and slow options of teleporting and travel hurt it, I do miss this game.
FF11 needs a remake being a mainline Final Fantasy. I dont know if the remake will be a full MMO or not. But even if its co-op where you host rooms for X amount of people. That would be fine too.
That's my thought. In the end, we need to preserve a mainline title. Even if it's single player or multiplayer like Origins is would be fine. It's just too big a piece of Final Fantasy history to end up lost.
Yoshi-P isn't stupid about the potential of FFXI. There's a reason why it's still notably popular in both player base and its historical notoriety in the MMO market. A better world would result in using what they've learned with the main game and taken lessons from their efforts with the mobile ones, both the one that was cancelled and the one that had a short lived JP only release, and make an offline simple version of the game.
IMO, there is a huge HUGE risk with releasing an MMORPG remake of FFXI to the scale that people expect. It's not going to work trying to live off of the truly unique approach that the game had. No other MMORPG encapsulated the experience that FFXI provided back then. The combination of (then) great graphics, great music, impressive storylines, strict/difficult and limiting party based combat, and 2nd life level of progression requirements is next to impossible to achieve today in an online space. It was a product of its time purely due to the struggle players expected.
You can however achieve this offline. They should utilize the trust system. Release a version of the retail FFXI for cheap to test the waters of releasing a real remake. $30 maybe, following in the footsteps of Mega Man X Dive offline. A potentially low cost effort to profit off what exists. The fact that private servers have basically achieved this means it is doable, assuming they can remove the online components. They could even release episodic expansions if they really wanted to, starting from NA release of OG+RotZ.
I doubt this will happen though in general. They haven't even released Final Fantasy Record Keeper as an offline game, although because it's still an active gacha game in Japan, that'd probably explain why. That thing would be a perfect offline game to really get people to fall in love with nearly all the FF titles across the companies history. It was a surprisingly really well done turn-based mobile game and I can't imagine porting it to offline for PC, mobile, and/or consoles would take much time and money to do. It's basically the best way they could market the entire franchise. They could even release cheap updates to the game for new FF titles or collabs like they do with the live version.
I'm getting nostalgic just remembering when I starting playing FFXI, going through the PlayOnline portal and then running around Bastok trying to figure everything out. I would love some sort of remake, even if they made it a solo/offline game, just to play through for the story and music, but I think a lot of new players would have a very difficult time getting into it.
the sense of adventure was so real. it probably wouldnt be the same no matter how they remake it but i'd love if more could experience it
As a new XI player (started 4 years ago and played here and there reaching early endgame) I'd say a remake is due, at least the UI and graphics.
Some other issues, like how to get some pieces gear, endless and tedious grinds, archaic and confusing quests, may be addressed also.
I think that, in order to develop it and make it less costly, they should make it like Stranger of Paradise: a single player game with multiplayer hosting.
This would make it more accessible and less expensive for both players and SqEx, and a lot of times i wished i didn't have to pay the sub for playing through the story solo (basically as a single player game).
I really hope that they'll make it like this, leaving gameplay mechanics and stories untouched.
The best case we get is offline FFXI. Not a remake.
I'm glad I'm not the only one hoping that one of CS3’s unannounced games is a FFXI remake. Thank you for making this video! I like FFXI too much to view the information objectively. I’ve got two follow-up questions:
1. Would you want a single-player or MMO remake?
2. If a remake is being worked on, I’d want at least all the content from Nations to RoV remade (even if they can't do it all at once). Bonus if they got tVR in too. What content would you want included in the remake?
thank you! i feel the same way haha but i needed to get it off my chest.
to your questions:
1. definitely an MMO. i think FFXI only worked as well as it did since its early days because its an MMO. having trusts from day 1 would alleviate grouping issues but i think it needs to be a game you primarily play together with others. also CS3 seems to better at crafting MMOs in my opinion.
2. in my mind, it should work like a reboot would. like, start with vanilla, then slowly roll out each expansion and so on. with the benefit of already having content down the road and knowing what works, they could balance things evenly around each update.. like 10 levels for each expansion, introducing merits earlier, and frontloading newer content and QoL thats meant for early game. like.. FoV training regimes could be merged with RoE. it'd be good if they changed it up a little to streamline the systems a bit.
and if they can get through SoA, maybe we can finally have that actual far east expansion.
FFXI is, without a doubt, the greatest gaming experience of my life. Shoutout to the people of Shiva server.
I was on Ifrit back in the 75 PS2 days. Man do I ever miss this game.
How do you take the essence of Final Fantasy 11 and port it to a modern game system paradigm? We all hated standing around for hours looking for a party but then when we reminsce we say "I loved how hard it was to form a party." A remake would have to keep all the best parts of the hardcore aspect while still finding ways to innovate and provide quality of life. Imagine they still made you build parties but created more immersive/lore friendly ways to do so.
I played at initial release but quit just after Treasures of Aht Urhgan released. I'm feeling super nostalgic for the game right now (just bought it and installed it again) but also remembering night I'd spend 3 full hours LFP with no bites. Or working in a tight area with other parties and somebody running a train of goblins through the middle and wipe out all of the exp I'd made after spending an hour LFP. I was in HS I had nothing but time to burn.
@@mariohead yeah man part of the issue is we all lost our golden age childhood where we had time to burn like that. Back then it wasn’t even so bad being lfp for three hours. The community kept it interesting. It was like, the most entertaining chat room ever with a side of fantasy.
Final fantasy.
@@Andro-z2f Yep. I miss my friends in the LS and the forum we all were on outside of the game. I'm loving the updates that are allowing me to solo through the game and experience all of the end game content I never got to experience, but it's sorta sad seeing the auction house almost completely wiped out and dead and Bastok looks like a ghost town. The truth is that it was a fleeting moment of my childhood that we'll never truly get back, but it's fun to reminisce and hopefully kids are able to have similar experiences with the games they're playing now.
The two things that makes FFXI a cut above the rest of the games in the genre is the Skill Chain and Magic Burst system and the atmosphere and feel of the world. I'm not worried they'll nail the latter part. But in the current environment of the MMORPG genre, I'm worried the Skill Chain and Magic Burst system will get watered down in a remake.
If by watered down you mean making macros less required then I am all for it.
Yeah square enix has some weird vision for final fantasy combat systems these days. I wouldnt trust a remake to even closely do this game justice. Just re-release the game, as-is, just in 75 era. Same as Wow Classic and Old School Runescape.
I want FFXI classic
I would say that although I have big love for FFXI, I don’t see them taking away subs and marketing from FFXIV. To be fair, XIV is my favorite in the series but I actually like how XI functions better because I’m an early 2000’s MMO gamer. It would be fantastic to have a well balanced, modern version of what that time period offered us in terms of strategy, community , difficulty , investment, and overall freedom/adventure and I have yet to see anyone do that.
Im so glad you didnt say they should just remake FFXI as a single player game.
horizonxi is basically what you said. Of course if SE would have an official version of ffxi classic that'd be best.
I doubt there will ever be a remake but it'd certainly be something that I'd play day 1. I've played FFXI off and on for 20 years now. God this game is addicting. Actual crack addiction would have been easier to kick. I'm more interested in the private server scene these days though. Retail FFXI, while still fun, just has changed so much compared to the games 75 cap golden era.
Getting people subbed to 2 of their games would be a smart move.
This was a thing back in ffxiv 1.0. If you subbed both games before 1.0 died, you would have access to equip the Hermes Shoes to help you move faster in FFXIV 1.0.
However, you needed to be sub to both always to even benefit from the extra running speed.
But it was worth it, though ffxiv 1.0 was pretty empty, it was massive in size.
To even get to Ul'dah, you had to trek through the maze of Gridania which I've gotten lost in many times.
@@Phostings1 i didnt know you needed to be subbed on both for the boost. that didnt last long tho i remember they stopped subs on xiv shortly after launch anyway
@@wilddragonchase Yeah, it didn't last very long. It was a great item, but it was time to move from 1.0 to 2.0 eventually.
@@Phostings1 could you keep the item once it went to ARR?
@@alexfpower They made the announcement that they will be discontinuing the bonus when they shut down the servers for 1.0. The item will did not transfer to 2.0.
FFXI is still the greatest computer game I've ever played. Nothing else comes close. It was engrossing, dangerous, deep and rewarding. I play XIV regularly now, and it's pretty, with a lot of breadth. But nothing near the depth of FFXI. A remake announcement would be bittersweet. I don't know if I would want to start over in a game I've played for 20 years. But I know I would still want to "at least try it out". And I think I know where that would go...
It isn't just the mobs, they have been putting in textures unique to FFXI for a while. They have put in textures for sky, sea, Ra'kaznar, and the undersea ruins. If they're wanting to remake the game in the cheapest way possible I don't think there is a better way to do it. The new alliance raid could be the excuse to add in some more the more exclusive models like the FFXI summons, and we know Shadow Lord is coming. The only beastmen we're missing at this point are the yagudo, orcs, and quadav, and there's no way you can do a Shadow Lord theme'd raid without the beastmen of FFXI.
ooh where did they do sky and sea? i dont think i noticed those.. but yes ra'kaznar and alzadaal are there now. definitely think we'll be seeing the 3 OG beastmen races with the FFXI raid too
@@wilddragonchase It isn't as in your face as undersea and ra'kaznar but some of the old dungeons have the walking effects and ground textures. I want to say they're either in stormblood or shadowbringers but I haven't been in those dungeons in quiet a while. They're the 70 and 80 dungeons.
I would pay full price for a single player version of this. Same game, graphics, interface, etc. I know it's outdated but it has such nostalgia.
Just make it much easier to level up, and soloable in its entirety (or maybe some kind of bot/mercenary system if necessary).
I know nobody has responded to this comment and I don't want to boost my own comment but this has been on my mind since I watched this video. And I think this could be applicable to so many mmos that are outdated. If the devs just lowered it to singleplayer difficulty and passed it out at EoL, charging whatever they want to and getting that last bit of revenue from it.
Also for the sake of game preservation that would be so good as well.
A remake doesn't have to destroy it..
But a remastered ui interface, graphics sure.. some elements like Maat .. trophy vs hard lvl cap bullshit...
Map sharing... Old Town movopolis...
Could finly not keep stumbling aimlessly to the chest for map....
haha movalpolos will forever be a pain to navigate XD
I'm interested, as long as it isn't made free to play.
I don't see a business case for spending huge amount of money on FF11, as much as I loved that MMORPG.
All that needs a remake is the account system
Everyone wants FF11 remake with 75-era feeling. (Free) Private FFXI servers recreated this already and there are graphic packages to make it look better/modern.
So this is a conflicting topic. Given the amount of time it’s taken for people to get their characters to the point they have them, a remake that doesn’t allow for a direct plugging in of your jobs, gear, and achievements would be a massive letdown for existing players, and a very strong reason not to play a remake. I’ve personally been playing since the US release in 2003, I can’t imagine going through 21 years of the same content all over again. While I also play 14, I do feel it’s a lesser game compared to XI. The depth of every aspect of XI far exceeds 14, whether it being the use of abilities, spells, weapon skills, or the specific ways that jobs can be utilized. 14 didn’t begin as a one size fits all game, and when they remade it so that there were roles rather that unique jobs, it was a massive letdown with how you could play your favorite jobs. XI’s use of the subjob system was and always will be one of the most groundbreaking ways to diversify play. The way gear is used and optimized by abilities is also something that you couldn’t dream of doing in 14. And while it can feel clunky at times, a piece of gear that does everything wouldn’t feel right in a game like XI, it would make it feel more like a Diablo style game imo. I think a remake wouldn’t make those still playing XI leave the game, after all, 14 didn’t. Maybe a remaster with massive updates to XI would be a better approach to keep the existing player base happy and entice new players to join.
I think a way that they could address xferring jobs, gear, and achievements would be to issue codes/coupons that when redeemed in the remake (Idk that they could remaster it with the old tech/coding) would issue items that could be taken to vendors for said gear, or mog mail exp tomes, and such. I also play XIV, but I don't like it as much as I liked XI. I played in the 75 era on PS2. I stopped before several server merges and the end of PS2 support. I would love a remake that allows for release on modern consoles, and PC while also utilizing lessons learned over the years to make a current XI that still retains most of the original, but also streamlines a few things for QoL (better crafting/gathering, adjustable UI, more/better UI elements, better AH, party finder, and glam just to name a few), to help appeal to modern gamers, and vets alike.
Absolutely Yes. It cannot be allowed to rot away into obscurity. If ANY game ever deserved a remake, its FFXI
Hate to burst your bubble but the 2 games Yoshida was referring to are Fantasias Remastered & Tactics Remake/Remastered
this was a great video. this got me really excited about the idea. personally id like to see the stories in FFXI repackaged into an offline more traditional FF . I think XI had some great stories and characters that alot of FF fans would love, but its buried in a very archaic MMO with an intimidating learning curve and it just feels like these great stories are a bit hidden and trapped. but I do think its highly unlikely we will ever see much more FFXI stuff in the future let alone a remake. it just feels like every other FF game has a much bigger presence in peoples minds and id sooner expect a remake of FFVIII or FFX than XI. but you may be right. id love it if you were
definitely agree that other FF games have a bigger presence in people's minds. but that also means XI has even more of an untapped market to reach out to. SE has been putting quite a bit of faith in creative studio 3 lately tho so i expect to see them running more mainline FF projects
i tried getting into FF11 and i love the mood and vibe but gameplay is just not my stuff. A remake would be just so awesome, i crave Vanadiel!
I wish you're right.
11 classic just like wow classic.
FFXI- the game that made me unable to enjoy any other mmorpg. I miss the 75 era game.
Same, its just hard to play any other mmo without thinking of XI...
I currently play XIV, but man do I miss my PS2 75 era days in XI. As nice as XIV is, I'd leave all and sundry for a XI remake. Idk about you, but I'm not sure I'd want a 1:1 though. There are some things that XIV gets right that I think could make an XI remake pure chef's kiss.
@@revjimmyjam3611 I played xiv in arr beta through shb. It's sad but the jobs and content and everything were the most fun in arr to hw. That game just devolved.
I would love to have a remake/remaster of xi. I want it on new consoles.
I seriously want a single player remake of this game. I'd love to revist the world without the MMO baggage I don't have time for anymore.
It was my Favorite MMO of all time. I love 14 but it will never be as good as good as 11. Yes, please remake 11. I told myself that I will return to FFXI when it becomes a remake. FFXI 2003-2007
Dont. Give me hope...
As long as they make so the older players can move over to the new stuff, I think I'd be game for it. Though same time, wouldn't be totally sad if couldn't. I saw a while back people doing a proof of concept making FFXI in Unreal Engine, they even were working on zones that weren't included in game release that were originally meant to be, like the chocobo forest and some train station.
ive seen those proof of concepts! some of them look really good. if players could do that, i can barely imagine what the devs could achieve with a better engine
FFXI, the magic words to make a grown man who has played it crumble with nostalgia.
Glad this one came up, I've followed off and on. Honestly, for me, FFXI would be a lot more approachable for most people if the initial sign up experience was addressed (albeit understandably that there's a lot of "It works, don't touch it") and bring the interface and client more up to date and bring a little more information into the game itself, instead of wiki's (even though not immediately knowing a lot of things and the community information sharing is part of the experience IMO, but could stand to be less emphasized). I don't think it has to, or even should try to appeal to a modern base, at least not entirely. But I still look wistfully at the screenshots we got. There's a lot of love, and alot of people that live the experience of XI vicariously because it isn't approachable to getting started and some that actually prefered to get started in.... other methods of access, including more difficulty in the game itself and fell in love with it. Profitability is super hard on the Business Unit for sure, I think they know extremely well the love and desire for it, but it's going to be hard to justify to other parts of the company even if they want to do it within the team. I'd like to see it but I think it's going to be a hard balance getting something that appeals to enough new and old fans without making it something else entirely.
FFXI: eventually we wont be able to support the game because of technical reasons.
Meanwhile private servers are never going to stop.
Who is to say the upcoming FF14 Echoes of Vana’diel raid is a science project for SE to see player’s interest and likely is coming out with something FF11 related? Only time will tell and I for one would like to see the story of 11 beyond what I’ve completed after Rise of Zilart.
Been playing this game since 2006 and still playing today! I love love love ffxi. Holding fast to the possibility of a revamped version.
im not gonna hold my breath for a remake but horizon xi is pretty good for now
I think that a remake or remaster of FFXI would be more profitable than any of the remakes / remasters before it. After all, it was the most profitable FF before FFXIV dethroned it.
Yet, it would be expensive to remake / remaster it and it could potentially canabilize some of the profit that FFXIV receives, therefore, reducing the overall potential for its return on investment (at least in the near term). Moreover, if they make quality of life changes, or basically any changes to the game, then they risk alienating the core loyal players of FFXI, and thus lose the player base has kept the lights on, and thus, might prevent the lights from staying on.
I, myself, believe a remake or remaster is needed. Even if they just ported it to Unreal and updated the UI, I would be satisfied.
Best game ever!!!!!! This game took me through all my teen years!!!
Vana'diel forever!
I played FF11 on and off for 15 years and my character still lives. A remake would be so cool, but given the lack luster sales of FF16 and FF7 Remake part 2 and the restructuring at Square, I think this is gone now.
I've played FFXI on and off for the last 20 years since it's release on PS2. No other game has the nostalgia and vibe than the world of Vana'Diel. The mods over the years have been a great improvement to the decaying PS2 port code for PC have been a life support for the remainder of the player base. But what I would like to see this handle like WoW classic. Were the game it's self is largely unmodified from it's original besides graphical, performance, and subtle QOL adjustment and Released as it was in it's day With follow Reworked Expanses after. Part of the journey in FFXI was the experience from one expansion to the other and the tier of challenges that laid between them. 75 era was indeed I feel it's hay day as far as the feel and flow of game play but the prior expansions brought incredible story and experiences that will always never be forgotten. To see this game get it's just remaster and have an all new generation experience it in it glory and appreciate the game as it deserves would be remarkable. The fact that it doesn't follow the WoW standardized MMO systems is just one of the many things that make it unique and a gem of a memory for me. I will always hold FFXI in the highest regards and it's place in my heart and the memories and feelings this game can evoke is priceless!!!
I loved FFXI when it first came out. But the move from that game play design seemed pretty intentional. FFXIV was made to be more accessible. I don't know how they'd position a remake, how they'd plan for its space in the market if it ran concurrent with XIV, or how they'd need to redesign gameplay. It seems unlikely it would get a major remake in the same sense as FFVII.
I would FREAK out. 11 is the only game I’ve never been able to play, and it kills me not being able to
Try horizonxi it’s free and amazing
If i could bring my old character (Heiyu), and all equipment and items back. I probably would come back. But i wouldnt have all my old friends from my linkshell, (thehandofmoria) anymore. So i might not. Its hard to say. But if my character is lost, i wouldnt start over. My 90 days of logged time would be lost forever. After just beating maat with my black mage, and reaching 71 black mage. As well as my monk, redmage, and bard were also getting used quite frequently. I had a lot of investment in that one character.
I would love to see an updated ver of ffxi but im doubtful of this because of how SE uses ambu wherein the fights are so hard and they want you to grind this out and making master levels so bad that it takes months to get a Mlvl in that time
I would also like to see this put back on the multi systems like it once was back in the day with ps2 xbox 360 and pc but with it solely on PC it can lock ppl out.
look at Genshin Impact no one thought it would last but with it being put on multi systems it blew up
Still i want to be hopeful that something happens
I hope not, because if they did it would have WoW combat, and that would kill the game's identity. And about the need of a remake, the answer is no because it is already 22 years old, and nothing is supposed to go on forever. I would really like if they could make a standalone peer to peer for up to 8 friends to play, with all raids accommodated for that raid size obviously.
what... the... IF THIS HAPPENED I WOULD BE 100% SUCKED BACK INTO VANA'DIEL!
Actually there is quite a few models from FF13 used in FF14 especially in Heavensward.
Ffxiv checkers , ff11 chess..
LMAO true
Eh idk it depends on what you are looking for really
I wouldn’t want to lose my current character, but I’d love an updated version that continues to get support.
With the release of trusts in FFXI, I could totally see them making an offline version of the game, albeit with a more ff12 gameplay feel.
As someone who’s played Ffxi for 20+ years it would be great to see it back in some form, and I also started playing XIV, it really is hilarious just how much reused assets they took from XI 🤣
I tried retail again recently and absolutely hated the fact that I was level 30 in like 30 minutes desptie trying to actively NOT level up too quickly. They killed the feel of the game as i remember it back in the day and it's an empty ghost town. I wouldnt buy or play a remake of 11 because i dont trust square enix to stay true to it. Theyll add in some convoluted 15-style battle system and add in a bunch of microtransactions and level skips no thank you. I play on Horizon XI and the only way SE is getting me off of there is for them to release their own 75 era servers like Wow Classic and Old School Runescape. Leave teh game alone, dont remake it, dont remaster it, for the love of god dont make it "mobile", just roll it back to 2003, maybe get rid of PoL, and let me sign up.
I do not want a remake, but a remaster would be fine. They need to port it to a modern engine & bring it back to consoles.
This is the last MMO that my wife and I have been able to enjoy. We would happily both pick it up and introduce our son to it if the game were ever remade.
A remake would involve destruction of what we have now, I don't trust them enough for that.
this is uncharted territory for SE, but i can see them doing both concurrently because they should understand the value of keeping original XI up for as long as possible. im pretty sure its still earning them good money so less reason to end it.
Do I want an FF11 Remake? Holy fuck yes! But man, it is so hard for me to get into it. Graphics, I don't mind too much, but the UI feels a little too inaccessible for me, ane I don't have the patience to look at a 2nd monitor to look at a wiki to figure out what to do.
From everything I've heard though, the lore and story is great though, not to mention music (I mean what Final Fantasy has bad music anyway), so if a remake makes it more accessible at a reasonable price, maybe a discount if you are already subscribed to FFXIV too, then it wouls be great!
I am curious as to what they would do for the players that have been a 11 player for years. Would they need to start over or have their characters brought over?
I’m almost certain they would have to start over but would probably get some special benefit for having played the old version. Kinda like how 1.xx of FFXIV have a reduced membership fee or something for playing 1.xx
if it happened, i expect current 11 will remain, so those players could still play there for as long as they want. maybe a migration strategy would be in place - like free subs for anyone subbed to xi, or like a huge exp boost.
Honestly it would be better to just add all of FFXI to FFXIV. It's literally cannon that Vana'diel is a reflection/shard of the original world. Tons of ways to tie them together and bring FFXI up to modern standards. Could even have independent leveling system in FFXI zones like how XIV already does for Eureka/Bozja. Plus, we're getting "Echoes of Vanadiel" this expansion. Perfect time to do it.
Horizon Ffxi is a 75 era private server that is alive and well. Custom music and content for endgame. It's a blast!