Can a Yamaha Pacifica REALLY Be Worth $2000?
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I'd say EASILY, when you look at laughable 18,000 Gibsons, or even 11,000 new Flying Vs,. I'll play a quality Yamaha over Gibson all day
buying a Gibson marks the punter as a fool
You can't compare an 18k collectors item with a 2k player item. It's shaping the argument so you can dunk on Gibson. Compare this guitar to a strat style in its bracket, as well. Comparing a strat to an lp is like comparing a car to a truck. They are both automobiles, but shaped different and have different value to different people. Enjoy your car, and let people who want glamour trucks buy glamour trucks.
@@iamjakt Yeah spot on. Of course a digital Casio is going to tell the time a million times better than a 30k rolex
@@iamjaktI mean yes you are correct, any guitar above 2k either better have a very specific purpose, push some new really great tech in the guitar world, or be a collector type guitar imo. So comparing something 5x more expensive in this case, it is totally a status or collector thing (which I also find to just be status thinly veiled in a “hobby” 😂 but that’s a whole other personal opinion side tangent) vs someone looking for an extremely solid guitar focused on playing and not aesthetics. That said though I think comparing guitars in the same price range, regardless of type is valid. So a 2k ish Gibson should be the comparison really.
Resale is a consideration. One will hold value. One likely won’t. One will sell easily. The other not so much.
That said, I’m not gonna pay $2000 for a guitar. Certainly not more…
People are financial idiots.
I just discovered these new Pacificas two days ago, now I'm drooling for one! These pickups sound amazing in the hands of everybody who are making videos about them. I don't really need another guitar, but "want" often crushes "need." By the way, beautiful playing, John!
A high quality guitar made in Japan. Absolutly worth $2k.
....until you realize it's a yamaha and the resale value is junk....
@@AmericanNationalist852 I have never bough a guitar based on resale value.
I've got a Japanese Edwards Les Paul , and it is the greatest playing guitar I've ever owned . But I've also had Vintage V100s just as nice . Geography means nothing .
@@Sea_Jay Well said!
LOL FGN is made in japan and price start at 600 Dollars....
Damn those pickups sound great! So clear musical and crisp.
I don't know if it's the guitar and how it pulls you to play or just the overall signal chain but you really get some vintage Neal Schon tones every time you record yourself playing that guitar. I've always been a big fan of his and constantly try to get that sound. I'd happily pay $2,000 for one of those guitars, just like I paid $7,000 for a Yamaha saxophone. They make fantastic musical instruments.
Listening to it I'd say very easily Yes.
I have a 91 Pacifica 921V and it's an amazing guitar. SO easy to play and sounds amazing.
Japanese made, Swamp ash, DI Marzio pickups and Warmoth necks.
Yamaha have always made best in class guitar they've just never pushed them enough.
Luv and Peace.
The aesthetic of the prototype MOPS THE FLOOR with the new pacificas. If the new pacificas looked anything like those prototypes, I would buy one in a heartbeat. For now, I'll think about it.
the last one is the prototype? that's the one that actually looks and sounds the best
Yah...liked the reversed headstock.
Yeah, the prototype looks stunning. The retail models just look average. I'm sure they're amazing guitars, but they look meh. I have a mij Revstar in moonlight blue, that thing is gorgeous.
I’ve been saying since those prototype pics appeared in 2018/19. I’d buy one of each of those!!
If an Ibanez made in Japan is worth 2gs why not a Yamaha. I just don't know if the Indonesian model is worth the 1200 when the labour cost is a fifth of Japan's 🤷🏽♂️, but the price is the price.
Material costs are still the same and it doesn't seem to cheap out on anything. That being said, there are plenty of Ibanez Premiums that undercut that price point with comparable specs. But if Yamaha's Indonesian division has done just as good a job as Ibanez's, they may be worth a shot.
Holy crap John your playing too polite sometimes, you were just rippin’ on that outro!!🔥 I love all your playing, and thanks for all the Pacifica content recently, it’s been super helpful for me in seriously considering which model I want to go for.
Id pay like $1000 for that reverse headstock black model
I’m a Pacifica guy. I own a couple of RGZs as well. Had them since new. Great guitar. I will buy one of these but when Yamaha wakes up and make those prototype ones with those cool colors and metal pickguards and reverse headstocks, I’m buy one of each of those.
I love how you do things you look like you're doing it just like I am making a loop with the Looper and taking off with the lead guitar
Your phrasing is sublime.
I don't know how else to say this: You play guitar just the way I like. Damn John, that ending jam was so clean!!
Hi John, I was impressed by the quality of the pickups in your video. I suppose the luthery is matching the general specs of the guitar. Now reg. the value, people generally don't associate the headstock bearing Pacifica with a 2K price tag... Once you pass that consideration, I would say yes, it seems to be that worth. Cheers
Absolutley. No different than Fender having budget Squier Sonic Strotcasters and then having the the American Vintage (or whatever it’s called now). On top of that Yamaha are well known for quality control and innovation.
Yamaha has ALWAYS built great musical instruments .The Pacifica In the late 80s 90s Were awesome. Im thrilled to see Yamaha release these .Yamaha belong in the top tier of Professional Guitars .The standards are built so good also..I have 721 Pacifica 1 pc alder body compound radius neck Dimarzio Pickups Japanese Takeuchi Trs Floyd Rose .Its incredible ...i also have a revstar Standard and i am wanting this Pac Pro...Love these guitars... way to go Yamaha .Many of us know and knew how great they are .Japanese just build incredible guitars ..
The only endorsee of the Yamaha Pacifica that I remember from the 90s was Michael Lee Firkins. I tried them back then. Never got on with them when there were other things like Charvel and Ibanez around at the same time.
As a man from the US I think we over fantasize American guitar wood and manufacturing. I think we over price for US made. And I could totally see the Gospel, R&B, Lofi, Alternative, Indies genres loving Bad Cat amps and Yamaha Pacificas, PRS and Heritage. Not saying people will ever stop loving Gibson and fender. Just saying that the actual song writers and stars of the future are kids who can’t afford to pretend to be Eric Clapton and John Mayers. That is reserved for grown men with full time jobs that can afford Dumbles.
For a model that is meant to compete with the likes of Fender's American Ultra Strats, I'd argue they definitely offer a compelling alternative at a slightly lower price. And thanks to the features, it also offers better value than the Professional II. That being said, I think Ibanez still has them beat because their AZ Prestige models offer a lot more variety in terms of specs and pickups in that price range. Their roasted maple necks and bigger frets are a welcome feature even without the compound radius fretboard. The cutaway and heel sculpt is more comfortable on the Ibanez too imo. Furthermore, the variety of pickup configurations ranging from two high-output Hyperions to an HSS setup with smooth Fortunas have you covered no matter what you're looking to play, which is further expanded by all of the alternative coil-splitting modes. While the Pacifica is the best classic Strat deal you can get on the market, the AZ is still the most advanced Strat you can pick up in that price range.
wow I like that middle position. I like alot of the colors and combo's they had on those prototypes too, like the one you have on hand, but like the light blue with the roasted neck and the one with the Copper scratchplate, if they would only offer those items, too.
Don't forget the amount of research and development on the vibration and tonal analysis on the body and neck, and the time it took for the pickups to reach the sound that they need (3 years man, that was a huge investment). These efforts cost more money and time than you might think. So I believe along with the construct design it is very much worth the price
Ok but why not get the standard plus?
sounds like a bunch of buzzwords and bologna lol, still a cool guitar nonetheless, love Yamaha
I have strong "The midnight" vibe on that intro
I think I was channeling Ricky Gervais' old tune from when he was a young bloke - it's called Bitter Heart - surprisingly vibey! I love the Midnight's Golden Gate - huge tune
There are a lot of companies that sell you a very competent instruments below the $1k, but at least in my country if you gonna invest more than $2k something to consider is the resale value and here only the most traditional brands (F-G) have it. Yep I don’t buy to resell, and the most of my guitars are budget friendly instruments of brands unknown, but the life is a roller coaster, and re sale value in high price guitars is a must have IMO
I like the new Pacificas. I have a soft spot for Yamaha as my first electric was a SG300, and my favourite acoustic is a LD 10. I would love to try one of these back to back with a Godin session because they look comparable.
John you are a monster guitarist. Really enjoy your playing and videos.
You end with ‘kinda up there’. Guitarists find extra meaning to their lives by feeling part of the tribe and having the right name on the headstock. It also helps with their insecurities. As a player for 40+ years I am as happy on my JV squier as on my Relic Strat.
Insecurities, for SURE
Outstanding tone. I would love to own and play this Yamaha.
You have to compare it with an Ibanez AZ. Weight, quality, etc...
I think the new pacificas are cool and adequately priced. I really like the look. I also believe Japanese made guitars are usually superior to Fender and Gibson US made. Only, I think you can get specs like this and more if you know what you’re doing with Warmoth or other quality partscaster. The key is knowing what you’re doing and quality parts. You can build for less. But you have to settle for a fender body style and put it together yourself, so it’s up to you.
I like them a lot. They're bound to be superior instruments. I have a Japanese Ibanez that's incredible. Price is OK, to me it just means the Japanese are able to build a superior guitar for 30% less. I don't get the price question. Nobody questions why a Gibson is 6k.
The 41 mm nut width I've always seen as one of the things that make the Pacifica the Pacifica. These seem to have a wider nut which if true, is a decision I don't like. I do like the stylistic changes and the finishes are fine but overall it's not exciting enough. I'd rather buy a cheaper Pacifica for a few hundred and then have it customized to my liking.
Good review, and very nice guitar playing!
Been a "professional" musician, i own a Revstar standard and the quality is superb, so definitely i go for the standard Pacifica too 🤩
Yeah their two standard guitars are great. But what the hell are they thinking with the professional series? With the rev they tried to sell us on same aged Japanese wood bs. And with this one I don’t even know what the difference is
Most have commented NO- and I agree.
Would love to hear these with 10-46 gauge strings.
Wow Jonh! 3 minute was amazing playing
The neck pickup is much closer to the bridge than the Fender, so the sound will be different and in general the neck and middle pickup are very close... This is due to the design that initially included 22 frets, unlike the Fender where all necks with 22 frets are structurally the same as with 21 frets simply make a step. Fender did just that so that he didn't have to move the neck pickup! but Yamaha didn't
There was nothing about the name on the headstock that had me salivating about the potential resale of my 1995 Japanese Pacifica 904. I kept it through multiple acquisitions of Fender Strats over the year simply because it was a superior guitar. Mine is number 51 of 500 made that year. And if John is right Yamaha may stick to the limited production Japanese model.
John, if you can find one, it would be nice to compare the 1994 or 95 Pacifica 904 with the new model since it it pretty obvious Yamaha new what they had back then and have decided to recreate it with some modifications.
Ofcourse there will always be guitar snobs. But in every price category Yamaha is up with the best. And they also make ‘upmarket’ products for a very long time. If you’re into guitars you know. Santana played Yamaha for a long time. There is a Mike Stern guitar, there’s top bass guitars and even concert piano’s. I bought a Yamaha Revstar RSP20 and it is a brilliant guitar. I sold my USA PRS S2 Custom 24 because I have not touched it since I have the Yamaha. The PRS is the same buildquality but the RSP20 sounds better. If you want a Gibson that is build that well you will need to spend more than €4000. And you probably still have a less stable and sturdy instrument. Also the Yamaha Pacifica FM612 VIIFM is a guitar that absolutely crushes guitars in the €800-1000 price range. So I would sooner doubt If a Les Paul is worth €4000 than ask the same question about a €2000 Yamaha. This is my opinion as a player, not a collector. If you judge guitars by their quality and just play them you look at different things and can eliminate your inner guitar snob.
I love yamaha guitars ive gigged and used them in the past along with my US strat, people are spoilt for choice now though Harley Benton fusion series have stainless steel frets and top end trems/ locking machine heads for £500 so if i wanted something like this id take my chances and set it up well and drop better pickups in it if required and spend the other £1000 on a holiday ;-)
It's YAMAHA! Guys... This company KNOWS how to cut costs, establish an efficient line of production and still offer high quality instruments to their customers!!!
All those other products they design, create and sell...
I mean OF COURSE they're gonna give you quality. It's obvious now that I think of it.
It's the YAMAHA empire, man...
It's fair to say that guitar looks rad no matter what you think.
If yamaha is trying to increase the value of their brand and create a flagship model, I don't think the professional model has enough specs.
We live in an era when a Korean brand Indonesian-made guitar with compound radius, stainless steel frets, and 24-fret roasted neck can be bought for the $600s.
I think the flagship needs a ridiculously high spec, like a v12 engine or a top speed of 300km/h in a car.
One faithful day guitarists will learn to appreciate high-end Yamaha guitars for what they are: high-end guitars.
Unless it's handbuilt by a luthier no guitar should cost thousands because they are mostly mass produced in the same factory . You can guarantee the workers in the factories do not see those mark ups .
Mike Rutherford and Jack Pearson were both using Fender Bullet Squiers recently. It was by accident and convenience initially, but both were ok to continue using them, rather than using the uprange Fenders. The new Pacifica may be worth $2000, but there's a lot of lower priced guitars that will do the job. Pearson on Squier with Josh Smith & Kirk Fletcher,
ruclips.net/video/UsdSSTJ-h-8/видео.htmlsi=rZVEDZ2Gb84snS_V&t=164
Yamaha is playing very smart with their line. look at sports cars. having an expensive flagship model adds credibility to the whole line. it doesn't matter how many they sell,. they price it so their Japanese makes can stay just busy enough and then they sell the shit out of the Indo line
Finally, someone gets it. Great comment. Not that the Professional is solely a marketing “decoy”, as some claim, it’s just that Yamaha knows what they’re doing and what their expectations are. They’ll have their Japanese luthiers hand assemble however much demand there is for Professionals, and they’re incredible instruments if you own one (I’ve got a Revstar pro). But it’s funny how many people say “Yamaha is going to lose money on the Pros”, as if they are going to accidentally overproduce them in mass from a Japanese factory.
Edit: grammar typo
Vola guitars would also be a direct competitor.
At the moment No. As stated in your last video I won't know till I try one (I will) but aesthetically its a no over the AZ. perhaps ditching the pickgaurd (ugly) and a maybe a flame or burl neck (music-man aesthetic) neck? and more out there paint job... as is it still looks cheap.
No… especially with that wacky pick guard
I agree with Dad-Gad. No guitar should cost thousands unless it's hand built by a luthier.
Thank you , common sense prevails 👍
Thought they seemed a little too pricey.
Would it be as good if it were hand built by a luthier? CNC and precision tooling have raised the bar for guitar quality significantly. I'll take a guitar built by an accurate machine and properly checked by a master luthier over a hand-built instrument full of unpleasant quirks any day.
These guitars ARE worth it. They are built wonderfully and are better than a Fender ,Suhr Ibanez of same pricing. Yamaha have long history of building great everything..you should play one and see.hooe you do man..
I would like to buy one and put a Rick Toone tremolo in it when those become available for sale
They really should have not whacked pacifica on it ... at this price it would have done them a world of good in trying to differentiate themselves from their cheap image.
Also aesthetically the less stickers and branding crap you tend to put on something the more expensive it tends to look.
Why? Fender puts the Stratocaster name on guitars worth both 200$ and 10000$. A company with a respectable heritage doesn't shed its identity because of how much their instruments cost. People who are looking to drop names instead of chords buy Gibsons.
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for 2000 I take a Strandberg Boden NX6 over any day or a ormsby or a caparison or FGN ,Yahaha is dreaming and price will drop very fast the next month...My Ormsby hype gti 6 has Jumbo stainless Frets, Ebony Neck,custom pickups,dot inlays usw and blow the pacifica and the Ibanez out of the water and cost just 1000 Buck.... Pacifica will drop the price very quickly...beleive me!No guitar should cost thousands unless it's hand built by a luthier.
Totally agree. You could buy a NOS Pacifica 612 for 550$ and a NOS Yamaha Revstar with P90 pickups for another 550. Thats 1100 bucks and you still have plenty of cash for a budget modeller like a Hotone Ampero and a couple of budget active speakers like Alto TX312s for running them in stereo.
The real elephant is the prices that guitars are reaching. It's a post covid and post raw material crisis mess. These prices are outrageous in my opinion. Guitar makers will not go back to pre-crisis prices and will get us consumers used to these blown up costs, increasing their margins by loads.
Just my two cents 😊
For me personally, the harder pill to swallow is to shell out 2 grand for a ST Type guitar.
I have Maybachs and Eastmans that come close to that price, but with them i never questioned the price tag because they're stellar guitars. I like Yamaha, but for that kind of money i would rather get a MIJ Revstar.
I prefer the 1991 version personally. This looks like every other brands current edition of the super strat. To me what makes a super strat is the pickups AND the Floyd Rose.
I think the Floyd rose these days is a bit of a niche that is pretty well covered by Charvel, Jackson, Ibanez etc? Perhaps if they reissued the RGX it would make sense, but it seems the Ibanez AZ and Suhr Classic etc might be catering to a bit of a broader player base?
@@johnnathancordyI get it. I just wish they made a Floyd option with this latest line because I think there is a market for that now as well. The “Super Strat” was born out of the era when that’s what players were looking for, HSS configuration WITH a Floyd. That’s specifically how Charvel/Jackson came into existence. They were luthiers that were modding strats for players of that era. Trying to blend a Strat and a Les Paul with a trem that would stay in tune when abused.
The Pacifica started off with an hss and Floyd configuration and was that way for years. Only in the past 20-25 years was it downgraded to an “entry level” guitar because Yamaha understood that that could be a better market for them at the time. They couldn’t compete with the Charvel/Jacksons in the American market. The original Pacificas were premium, premium guitars in my opinion. (Everything Yamaha makes is quality) They were a unique take on what everyone else was doing at the time. Very similar to what Hamer was doing with their super Strat designs and quality. To me, the Ibanez AZ, Suhr Classic, Music Man Cutlass, etc are just SS copies for people that don’t like Floyd’s, which I get. Also, just look what the Super Strat/Floyd combination did for Ibanez’s business since the 80’s.
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$2000 is too much for any solid body mass produced guitar.
Nothing wrong with bolt-on necks, my friends. For those who think $2 bills is outlandish, consider other manufacturers and custom builders charging far more…but, that said, I see no downside paying considerably less for the Indonesian model. The neck difference is negligible.
1,999.99 would put it against Gibson, PRS and Fender as the only choice price for value. Given it comes with a hard shell case, literally custom wound designed pickups. Its still a great guitar for the money. Is it better value then a MIJ Ibanez rg 550? probably, is it 1200 better than MIJ RG 550 no. Still its a great proposition v.s. the big brands with poor QC.
I have to say Sire s10 is more tempting
I think it seems comparable to the Schecter Nick Johnston (Indo) model or the USA Traditional HSS?
Im really tempted with an FGN semi hollow. Beats the pants off a gibby 335
if you have proof it was actually held and played by Jon Nathan Cordy it's worth at least that.
I found the neck really narrow on the original Pacifica. I wonder how the new one compares?
You should try out a Schecter Nick Johnson model. If possible with the wenge neck. That's the best feeling strat I've played.
He has done. Do a search in the channel.
John, why is the standard model much more expensive compared to the revstar standard?
Better pickups
Gotoh Trem / Locking tuners
Tusq nut
That's what I see on the spec sheet. I speculate more time spent on them at the factory and probably better caps/pots.
They look so good and well spec’d but that fretboard is just far too flat for me :(
They made me think of my Ibanez az honestly
As much as I dislike flat finishes, the finish on the custom shop model really highlights the carves on the body.
Definitely has piqued my interest. Now I just hope my local dealer intends on stocking them.
If they were a nitro finish, they might be worth considering.
They are fairly priced for what you get in terms of specs and some interesting pickups. I think they should be slightly cheaper as the Yamaha brand will not pull as many folks as Fender or Ibanez, who are direct competitors in that modern Strat vibe. But it’s more of marketing point.
Probably to somebody, but not me, but you know I got four guitars and It’s all I can do the play those
what other brand sells well built guitar and builds awesome motorcycles?
I have to agree that Yamaha made great value in the Revstar range but this seems way overpriced, would choose a 2nd hand Suhr over this everyday over a £2000 yamaha pacifica, sorry and I have a Revstar standard
I will try one and let you know….
Yamaha should redesign the head stock. 😒
I'd have to lose the chrome bridge pu.
Ok, whats with the reverse headstock model at the end?
If it looked cool... But having a pacifica sitting in our practice room for 20 years collecting dust looking all ugly in the corner doesn't bode well for its namesake.
Yamaha would be smart to make a headless guitar right now with a whammy bar since Ibanez doesn't have one with a whammy and since Strandberg have a neck that not everyone likes.
Nobody can compete with strandberg
@@RobbenBanks153 Many players don't really like the Endurneck, which leaves a lot of room for competition.
It may not be a popular thing to do, but now and again I grab my old 80’s Kramer and get my hair metal on🤘
How to you think these compare to the Fender Ultra?
Hey John, would you be able to get feedback from your friend “Doc” how different is the neck profile on these new Pacifica vs their current range 612 and older pacficas.
Hello, this is Doc. The 112, 311,510,611 etc all had necks that feel narrowed somewhat, almost thin? I belive the necks on these new boys are very comfortable, but I might not be the best person to ask, I believe you can get used to any neck, within reason, and I like all of them. I recently got an AES 820 that I didn't like the carve on at first... But the more I play it, the more I like it.
@@southwestshooters cheers for taking the time out to reply.
I have an old late 90s 302s tele Pacifica which has a narrow and slim C style neck.
I also have a RGX112 for mid 90s, my first half decent guitar, which has a thicker C shape neck compared to the Pacifica.
Then a couple of years ago I bought a 112vcx all black locally, as it was cheap and I wanted to check them out. For a Pacifica it has quite a bigger C neck, plus the back of the neck is polycoated like the body. Strange for a Pacifica series guitar as most have plain wood finished necks.
I plan to take some measurements of the neck in the future and share them.
The problem for them will be getting people to pay $2k for a Yamaha. Too many other choices in that price range. Why not just cut the price in half and compete? A compound radius isn't worth $1200 extra.
So, the compound radius cost 1k more or are there other things that are better?
That is the biggest difference, but they're building in Japan in smaller quantities, which obviously has higher labour costs? But the Indonesian has really competitive specs too
Oh, thought this was a video on the Covid-19 vaccination. Whoops
Compare with a Vola and lets find out...
Great
So a Guthrie Goven charvel signature model, or a Pacifica, that will lose 2 thirds if its value in 6 years?
People sell their guitars?
I think the pro is a rip off. The standard is a pretty good deal.
Japanese made guitar are just better than "American" made guitars. Al least at the same prices.
No, I wouldn’t pay $2000 for a mass produced Japanese Pacifica. I’d go for a used Suhr at that price, or buy a less expensive FGN or Vola if buying a brand new Japanese made guitar.
I'm not sure the Japanese factory is necessarily churning out huge production numbers - based on the japanese Revstars, those don't seem to be that easy to get? I wouldn't be surprised if Suhr make greater quantities of guitars? Great stuff though, and like you suggest a used Suhr could be great value.
Hate to see expensive guitars with that stupid string tree. Expensive modern strat without staggered locking tuner is a nut.
So many notes..
No
No. How do these companies justify charging $2000. for a slab body , bolt on neck? Another CAD cut Strat style guitar with a few stainless steel frets, made in Asia. Looks and sounds like more guitar corporation snake oil to me. It is not just Yamaha but, all the guitar manufacturers seem to be trying to make up for the losses from the baby boomers leaving the market place.