Viral TikTok Dancers Trapped Inside Cult Controlling their Every Move, Family & Friends Beg for Help

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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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    Dancers that have been everywhere recently including the Super Bowl, Ellen, countless daytime talk shows, and all over the media are now at the center of a huge controversy that has gripped the dance community.
    7M Films manages a group of dancers who have gone viral for their throwback dancing and videos. However, the group is being controlled by a pastor who has a history of fraud.
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    The Management: 7mfilms.com/
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  • @WithoutACrystalBall
    @WithoutACrystalBall  2 года назад +434

    Hey Everyone,
    Please do me a huge favor. I know this content is new to the channel. I am always nervous to bring new topics. So please help the video out by liking, commenting and sharing. I truly want to expand the awareness of this story so more people SEE what is happening.
    Thanks!
    Katie

    • @arlenehynes4607
      @arlenehynes4607 2 года назад +25

      Thank you for covering these cults. Hopefully it will bring awareness where it is desperately needed!

    • @reiramiya8805
      @reiramiya8805 2 года назад +25

      Cults are scary and need a light shown on them whenever and wherever possible. Thank you.

    • @kristivaught9541
      @kristivaught9541 2 года назад +18

      I forgot to like 👍 so thank you for reminding me!!! Just an FYI Katie, I go back and like videos from years back just to boost your algorithm!!!! I also, when I have time, will 👍 every positive comment (which are officially 1,000's of liked comments). PLUS, I probably shouldn't say this but I give thumbs down on other channels when false, negative and rude comments are written about you and your channel. I only do it if it is legitimately false or mean information!!! Even on your channel I have left thumbs down on negative comments geared towards you!!!!

    • @ljsteffler5099
      @ljsteffler5099 2 года назад +11

      I think they are in Scientology. People, help us out here. 💜💜💜

    • @itjustmemanning8441
      @itjustmemanning8441 2 года назад +21

      I'm finding this very interesting, sad and scary. I hope that bringing the story out in the open will help get some dancers home.

  • @TheTalentedYC
    @TheTalentedYC 3 месяца назад +88

    Who’s here from the Netflix series 7M?
    Crazy how this was posted 2 years ago!!

    • @geniegina3340
      @geniegina3340 3 месяца назад +2

      Crazy. Robert can't play God forever. This is sad.

    • @adamcrawford9016
      @adamcrawford9016 Месяц назад

      I was thinking the same thing. Can’t believe how long it takes to expose these things.

  • @RobinPrater
    @RobinPrater 6 месяцев назад +54

    Thanks so much!! I have followed these dancers and am blown away. Allison Holker who was wife of the late Twitch, (Steven Boss), also a part of this group. Which brings me to the thought of Twitch and suicide. So much to ponder here. These young people, who are extremely talented, need saved from this cult. It’s heartbreaking

    • @TrishTrends
      @TrishTrends 3 месяца назад +11

      Omg I was just thinking about this. I used to follow a lot of the boy dancers at the beginning and then I saw that last video with Alison and twitch before he passed away. I was wondering if it was related. This is so scary 🫣

    • @DylanLovesBrenda
      @DylanLovesBrenda 3 месяца назад +12

      Was wondering the same. I unfollowed Miranda I wish this would make her lose her followers just as a wake up call. I also don’t know much about how these dancers make money but I’m not going to follow someone so that creep gets money.

    • @Got2BOshun
      @Got2BOshun 3 месяца назад +4

      I wonder what remains to be seen about that situation

    • @lizjo7213
      @lizjo7213 18 дней назад +2

      OMG something about Twitch's death was just weird and so sudden...

    • @user-uz1ym5ph8b
      @user-uz1ym5ph8b 3 дня назад

      Authorities need to find something on the leader. That might be a st🎉art to getting the dancers help.

  • @elizabethgrogan8553
    @elizabethgrogan8553 2 года назад +466

    There is a saying "if you want to get rich quick, start a church". This cult proves the truth of that statement. Exposing this dangerous cult is great. Can't wait to hear more.

    • @WithoutACrystalBall
      @WithoutACrystalBall  2 года назад +29

      Thanks for being here

    • @cremebrulee4759
      @cremebrulee4759 2 года назад +32

      I believe that L. Ron Hubbard, who founded the cult of Scientology, is the one who said that.

    • @cremebrulee4759
      @cremebrulee4759 2 года назад +18

      I believe that L. Ron Hubbard, who founded the cult of Scientology, is the one who said that. Prior to starting the church, he wrote science fiction books. He obviously used science fiction in creating Scientology because it is so off the wall.

    • @samanthakwait8782
      @samanthakwait8782 2 года назад +20

      What blows my mind is how does anyone equate faith or religion with dancing on social media?? Like clearly they are being put to work to funnel money back to the founder

    • @sharonkenyon531
      @sharonkenyon531 2 года назад +7

      @@christineperez7562 do you actually believe that most churches are not rich. Religion is and always has been about the money it makes, charges for weddings funerals all manner of fundraising things, many are kept by volunteers so they don’t even have to pay staff, yes they do donate to those in need but the money for those in need is from more donations many have charity stores, lottery money and more, please don’t be fooled into thinking that religious organisations are poor, most have property other businesses people who pay rent on property owned by churches, look at the vast and luxurious buildings that are owned by organisations such as the Catholic Church and that’s just one example, the church I belonged to has huge temples and has money from its congregation, I was pretty much kicked out for marrying someone outside of my faith, once this happened I saw religion in a very different way you should be able to meet and spend your life with a person you love not just have to marry someone who is the same religion as you are, I was told I would never be welcomed into heaven I strayed from the path by straying they meant loving a person who was not a member of the faith I was even shunned by family now because I don’t give an amount of money to said church I can no longer be a part of said church, I’m not sure why you would think that they donate most of their money Because most do not.

  • @virginiarobinson3848
    @virginiarobinson3848 2 года назад +48

    Thank you for taking this on!!! I have watched this unfold thru the Wilking Sisters for the last year and wished someone could do something to crack this open. Please don’t give up!! Let’s get these dancers back to their families.

  • @kristivaught9541
    @kristivaught9541 2 года назад +67

    It sounds a lot like Scientology, commitment wise.

  • @angelastone9005
    @angelastone9005 2 года назад +52

    I don’t know where to begin. My sister and I have known Dean since high school and reconnected when his and his wife when they enrolled their daughters in dance when they were three and two. Both of my nieces danced with them till they left the studio. I have watched these two beautiful girls grow into beautiful woman and have followed their careers throughout. When Miranda started not showing up on their channel I was at a disbelief because I know how close the girls and family are. It breaks my heart and my whole family’s because we love them like family we have celebrated birthdays, graduations and so much more with them. My family and I want to support them in any way we can. PLEASE KEEP DIGGING SO ALL THESE DANCERS CAN COME HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES!

  • @rccrn0228
    @rccrn0228 2 года назад +15

    I feel for these people. I married into The Church of God. It's a branch of Pentecostalism. My husband's family (now ex husband), were all leaders in the church. His grandfather was lead pastor. Mother was lead minister of music, etc. We faithfully attended church (every Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night). If for some reason we weren't there one day, for whatever reason (both myself and my ex husband are registered nurses, so 99.999999% of the time, it was because we had to WORK), church members were driving by our house and stalking us, so they could later confront us as to why we weren't there. "Missed you at church, but I saw your cars in the driveway at home, were y'all sick???" Passive aggressive bullshit. Plus, tithing. It is MY business how much I tithe, and that it is the appropriate amount. It tore our marriage apart. If you want a deep dive, look into Faith Church in Sherman, Texas. (That wasn't my church, thank God, but this particular church is NUTS! They date back to the 1960's. They had prayer rooms, in which they would literally kidnap and lock people in the prayer room, to "pray them through." Also, on more than one occasion, they kidnapped females and shaved their heads for punishment if they think said female did something wrong. This church rivals the IBLP like no other. Seriously, Faith Church! Please look into them! There is a juicy website www.informe.com/faithchurch, if anyone wants to look into them. Not to mention, these people that run this church are EVERYWHERE in our community. They are surgeons, accountants, police officers, teachers, insurance agents, on the city council, etc. Ugh! Psychos!)

  • @wewemcrhyne
    @wewemcrhyne 2 года назад +167

    Cults are so frightening. We must teach our children about how to see them. Thank you for exposing this group. This truly hurts my heart ❤️

    • @rebekahdavis5935
      @rebekahdavis5935 2 года назад +7

      Yes we do! It seems like it's a growing problem in our society and it's really disturbing. If you teach a child what unhealthy thinking looks like then hopefully they will recognize it and stop getting pulled into these toxic communities. This seeming trend is scaring me because people in a cult are essentially living in psychosis.

    • @carm1030
      @carm1030 2 года назад +6

      Seriously. It would be heartbreaking if my children got involved in something like this!

    • @alliejones5949
      @alliejones5949 2 года назад +5

      @@rebekahdavis5935 look at the kids that have filed a lawsuit on Piper Rockelle mom.. this shiii starts YOUNG

    • @roxannlegg750
      @roxannlegg750 2 года назад +1

      I was caught up in one and forcefully thrown out - it took years to recover from it - even tho when it happened, it was because I saw what was REALLY happeneing. The act of being shunned is truely aweful!

    • @77777sadie
      @77777sadie 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@roxannlegg750So sorry you were hurt by these predators. That you were able to see through the control and lies shows you are a strong, courageous person. I can relate. Shunning is devastating. For years I was angry with myself for being taken in and brainwashed. Now I realize it can happen to anyone if we are not careful. Especially if we are going through a difficult time in our lives that leaves us vulnerable. I wish you the best 💞

  • @aileenbell6750
    @aileenbell6750 2 года назад +185

    As a dance mom and amateur dancer myself, I can understand how dancers would be vulnerable to this kind of cult control. You grow up in a discipline that requires intense dedication and discipline. You rely a lot pn your teachers/authority figures. The professional world is flooded with talent…it is all about who you know, which makes people reluctant to criticize those in authority. I had seen these dancers on IG…and am horrified that this has happened to these young people. 😫

    • @Time.for.tea.
      @Time.for.tea. 2 года назад +18

      Thx for your valuable insight. I never made the connection that children who are involved in highly disciplined activities - like the dance world you described - are at a greater risk to be groomed and lured into the arms of ppl like that. It all makes sense now.
      And I suppose children raised by adults who micromanage their lives are at a higher risk of being caught in the same trap.

    • @roxannlegg750
      @roxannlegg750 2 года назад +6

      Thankyou for elucidating this - I was confused as to why dancers were tied up in this specifically. But it makes sense. I have no exp or ties at all to music or dance cultures so I was very curious.

    • @debrashepeard3039
      @debrashepeard3039 2 года назад

      Hold on, I was also a dancer. Unless you are there and know who they are with (if anyone at all) and this isn't some ploy to get them ousted by someone or something else, you better not make any judgements at all. Do you know all of their afes? Do you know where they reside? Do you know what church they are with? Do you know the Pasted/Teacher of the church? If so you need to share along with your opinion, so everyone else can stop the rumors. You have no idea who reads these. Let's help make things better not worse for them okay. @Aileen Bell

    • @kimberlysnyder4087
      @kimberlysnyder4087 Год назад +1

      @@debrashepeard3039 Do you know how to spell?

    • @debrashepeard3039
      @debrashepeard3039 Год назад

      @@kimberlysnyder4087 LOL

  • @donnagerhard645
    @donnagerhard645 2 года назад +74

    I have seen these dancers on Instagram. They are incredible dancers. I was so blown away how great these kids are. Thank you for getting this out.

    • @meglea7065
      @meglea7065 2 года назад +3

      B.Dash isnt a kid. He is a grown, divorced man with a son he doesnt speak to. He was in a cult once before.

    • @treehouse58
      @treehouse58 2 года назад

      @@meglea7065 really ..? Was it a dance cult as well? How old is his son?

    • @meglea7065
      @meglea7065 2 года назад

      @@treehouse58 Yes! It actually was. He was in it with his ex wife/mother of his child. They got out together from what I can surmise, then when B.Dash got involved with 7M he fell out of contact with his son and baby mom. I believe his son is a preteen/teenager.

    • @treehouse58
      @treehouse58 2 года назад +1

      @@meglea7065 do you known how old B’dash is? Is T’witch in the cult as well?

    • @meglea7065
      @meglea7065 2 года назад

      He is in his mid/late 30s. I cant recall the name Twitch coming up in this, id have to go back and re-listen

  • @thercnielsen
    @thercnielsen 2 года назад +26

    Thank you for getting this story out! It’s eerie watching these dancers posting online like everything’s fine but knowing what’s happening behind their screens… knowing it might not even be them running their own accounts😳 I truly, truly hope the dancers can see through the fog and reconnect with their families and get out!

  • @growingvibrationsmagazine
    @growingvibrationsmagazine 3 месяца назад +11

    I just watched the documentary now in 2024. This is a sad story😢I hope all the families eventually get the healing they’re seeking.❤

  • @lisamcduffy12
    @lisamcduffy12 2 года назад +35

    OMG, I totally follow most of these dancers on TikTok. Thank you Katie for doing a deep dive into this cult. Im totally here for this!

  • @fortmacmom3122
    @fortmacmom3122 2 года назад +67

    You should contact Leah Remini and Mike Rinder in their fight against cults. They have a podcast that would really help advertise this.

    • @misstyrra
      @misstyrra 2 года назад

      The first thing I thought of!

    • @Pnd-tt5xd
      @Pnd-tt5xd 3 месяца назад

      I agree, that is a really good idea. It would bring more awareness to this. The Netflix documentary has also helped to do that.

  • @yanou4u
    @yanou4u 3 месяца назад +31

    I believe the fact that Miranda's boyfriend, James, now her husband, was part of the cult, influenced her decision to stay. Love will make you do stupid things, and at some point, they were able to brainwash her easily. She has a loving family, but we know of at least one person who would drop everything for the person they are deeply in love with. If James quits, she will quit as well.

    • @MusiqallyDivine
      @MusiqallyDivine 3 месяца назад +3

      Or she could already want to leave but won't do it without James. Either way, they are a packaged deal....as of now.

    • @mayse3698
      @mayse3698 2 месяца назад +1

      Funny enough, he had been in another cult before

    • @cynmann4584
      @cynmann4584 Месяц назад

      Really? Do you know which one?

  • @jennywc
    @jennywc 2 года назад +100

    I’ve been a performer all my life and am constantly on the look out for groups like this. Thank you so much for all you do. I’m passing this info along to my performing students. Keep investigating and if you find another group like this, please tell us!

    • @annemcintosh2568
      @annemcintosh2568 3 месяца назад +1

      Hopefully so you can warn your students? 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏽

  • @samanthaperez5696
    @samanthaperez5696 3 месяца назад +9

    I'm so glad you have a video prior to the documentary!

  • @evegrinstead2893
    @evegrinstead2893 2 года назад +51

    Sounds like disconnect n tearing apart families just in Scientology. They took notes!! 😢 Sad.. I feel for this family¡!!!!

  • @melissagill643
    @melissagill643 2 года назад +35

    This is heartbreaking. Do you know if anyone has broken free from this cult?

  • @jessemo61
    @jessemo61 6 месяцев назад +23

    If the dancers do not come out of this, this is going to explode, and these poor dancers are going to lose their audience. I am in total shock. Vik, Miranda, Bdash, don't let this ruin your career

    • @maryannetesoro8848
      @maryannetesoro8848 3 месяца назад +6

      And more importantly: don't let it ruin their lives 😔

  • @perturbedsun5508
    @perturbedsun5508 2 года назад +53

    This is insane. I have been following these dancers on Instagram for about a year and to find out that Miranda Derrick and It’s Slaavic are in a cult is just so shocking.

    • @debrashepeard3039
      @debrashepeard3039 2 года назад +18

      We need to hear the other side

    • @debidee5548
      @debidee5548 6 месяцев назад

      @@debrashepeard3039 Research 7M Films

  • @kimswecker64
    @kimswecker64 2 года назад +49

    So glad your doing this i stumbled across this group of dancers while recovering from knee rpl and found them to be very talented but notice things to be odd as they downloaded content to be the same which if you watch there old stuff was fresh content not repeated. So glad your doing this story they need out of this cult they don't need this guy

  • @sharondowling8896
    @sharondowling8896 2 года назад +47

    Keep getting the story out there! If there are no sponsors, there will be no cash flow- if this cult leader is in it for the money, and the money dries up, he will loosen his grip on his followers. So glad dancers on the outside are now using their influence to shed light and hope as well. It's like there is an epidemic of cult culture lately! People seeking answers, but willing to give up their free will to have that "security"! Thanks for your hard work, Katie!❤

  • @ljsteffler5099
    @ljsteffler5099 2 года назад +65

    Love this content. These ppl are so huge on every social media. I’m a professional dancer 💃 and this IS suspect.

  • @tarasabin5423
    @tarasabin5423 2 года назад +31

    I found these dancers on Instagram. I fell in love with all of them. I actually follow the ones you named. I’m so distressed by this story. Please keep going. If this is true, it needs to be exposed.

  • @gabbyj8154
    @gabbyj8154 2 года назад +6

    I was a dancer my entire life. I also was a foster kid.. grew up catholic.. and as an adult was able to distinct the difference between belief and mental control. I could never allow this to happen.. but then again… we all allow the government to have this control on us everyday.. we just became.. “disciplined” and “accustomed” to it.

    • @gabbyj8154
      @gabbyj8154 2 года назад +3

      I want to add, as far as how we’re controlled.. here’s just a FEW.. very FEW examples: banks, schools/educations and how they CHOOSE to teach our HISTORY.. which is extremely dangerous as by knowing our history, we are able to AVOID situations like complete control.. hint hint..by adding BVOs and GMOs/additives to our food without OUR consent.. I can keep going. But it’s all a concern. I fear for my child’s future.

  • @ldaskam
    @ldaskam 2 года назад +50

    I have been following this story all week. I saw one of the Staying Alive videos a few months ago and thought it was cute, so I shared it on social media. I was shocked to hear that it was a cult. I have since deleted my post and unfollowed this group. I hope these dancers can break free. Keep spreading the word about what is going on. Maybe it will keep others from joining.

  • @sherip9854
    @sherip9854 2 года назад +65

    The dance community has amazing people in it. If they rally together they can give support love and opportunities to these people as they come out of this. ❤️

    • @WithoutACrystalBall
      @WithoutACrystalBall  2 года назад +17

      The dance community is filled with some of the most loving people I’ve come across

  • @michellemyers8020
    @michellemyers8020 2 года назад +23

    I'm a big fan of The Wilking Sisters so I was sad to hear about this and how many dancers are involved. Thank you for sharing details as they unfold.

  • @middleagecrazy4234
    @middleagecrazy4234 2 года назад +19

    Young people don’t remember Jim Jones and the Kool aid. The zealot thought the same killing everyone for the second coming. Bet Daniel drives a Lamborghini!

    • @karensiegel6669
      @karensiegel6669 2 года назад +4

      A very few escaped that horrible cult in the jungle. I remember reading a book about them telling their story. Jim Jones was a drug addicted horrific sexual abuser that used his cult religion to make millions. I still remember the pictures on the news of all those people of all ages laying dead in the jungle. They made a movie about him and that tragedy too that only told some of the truth. When I hear about a cult, I see a black haired guy wearing black sunglasses every time.

    • @firstladygenevieve3688
      @firstladygenevieve3688 3 месяца назад

      A Bentley, i believe

  • @brittleycoudron4570
    @brittleycoudron4570 2 года назад +33

    You’ve worked so hard in this story! Yiu e done such a good job at getting any information to the public about this horrible situation. When you lose a loved one to a cult the only way they ever get out is by the media. Law enforcement can’t do anything most cases! So getting these horrible groups outed is up to really the people willing to spread the news and make noise!

  • @CRMediaGal
    @CRMediaGal 2 года назад +13

    Thank you for following and providing developments about this, Katie. I had followed almost all of these dancers' accounts the past few months because I thought they were really talented - and they are (though the super high quality of their videos compared to their follower counts back then seemed pretty sketchy to me). All the developments on IG over the past week have been just horrifying to read. I really hope one of these dancers wakes up and chooses to leave because that could hopefully have some kind of snowball effect. Praying for them all to get out of this scary mess.

  • @janeblack3441
    @janeblack3441 2 года назад +12

    Should we quit unfollow them all on IG? I have to admit, after listening to you talk, I saw a lot of what you said occurring. Fancy houses to dance, all dating or married to other dancers, etc. I was starting to be curious about what the backstory was here. I do not want to condone or support this church in any way. It just all seemed strange. Now I see

  • @anticlimactic2685
    @anticlimactic2685 2 года назад +3

    Just landed here (starting from The Cut’s article, which I haven’t finished reading yet) and I have to say the information you share in this video is so well presented by you! Clear and concise. I’m so impressed! Thank you.

  • @flowersforme375
    @flowersforme375 3 месяца назад +4

    Just watched the 7M Dance Cult the James (BDash)and Miranda Derrick are apart of on Netflix. They are so sad. I hope you break out of the cult Miranda.

  • @moretoknowshow1887
    @moretoknowshow1887 3 месяца назад +3

    The Netflix doc drops tomorrow, added it to my views for the week.

  • @angiehartness2767
    @angiehartness2767 2 года назад +6

    I have been watching these dancers for a while. I had no idea this was going on behind the scenes. Thanks for digging into this.

  • @elizabethandrus3848
    @elizabethandrus3848 2 года назад +7

    Katie, why has the family not hired a specialist in removing individuals from cults? The authorities won't do anything because she is married. There have been pieces on one of the news shows about this cult.

  • @heatherwillarose8009
    @heatherwillarose8009 2 года назад +6

    Vik is an amazing, self taught, dancer. He moved to the US from the Ukraine when he was eleven. It's sad to see these kids being taken advantage of by a religious psychopath.

  • @Wendy-zl8kv
    @Wendy-zl8kv 2 года назад +44

    Thank you for bringing this to the world’s attention Katie!

  • @ashleyfalk8183
    @ashleyfalk8183 2 года назад +8

    This is just weird. And totally off. I cannot believe some spin-off church is controlling tiktok dancers. I'll continue to keep my kids off tiktok 👌
    Thank you for bringing awareness.

  • @stephaniebrodie4492
    @stephaniebrodie4492 2 года назад +24

    Thank you so much for making this video! As a professional dancer in the industry it is so heartbreaking to hear about everything that has come out about this over the past several weeks. I know some of the victims and they have been completely different over the past year or so both on their social media pages and in direct messages. I hope we can solve this as a community and get these humans back to living their lives!

  • @thomasp.kitten2517
    @thomasp.kitten2517 2 года назад +14

    Wow.sounds like this absolutely needs to be uncovered.

  • @choosehope8729
    @choosehope8729 2 года назад +6

    This is upsetting. I like some of those dancers and I hate they’re being exploited.

  • @krosa2471
    @krosa2471 2 года назад +4

    Thank you for bringing light to topics like this and trying to find a way to cover this on YT. I'm not a dancer or family/friends of anyone involved, but I know how much it has to mean to them.

    • @WithoutACrystalBall
      @WithoutACrystalBall  2 года назад +2

      The dance community is really a beautiful group of people. I’m floored by their kindness and just love for the people in their world

  • @chelktty
    @chelktty 2 года назад +7

    Wow! I would have never heard about this “church” if it wasn’t for your channel. You really do your research! Thank you for all the work you put into these videos.

  • @peacockgrandma
    @peacockgrandma 2 года назад +100

    This makes me so sad because I love these dancers. It's heartbreaking that this church is brainwashing their people in such a way that marriages, families, friends and parents are alienated

    • @noitsnance
      @noitsnance 2 года назад +1

      Iiiuwt

    • @Natasha_835
      @Natasha_835 2 года назад +2

      I know I'm in shock as I watch them too...
      Miranda is my favourite 🥺

  • @joanfels6641
    @joanfels6641 2 года назад +14

    My feeling from just this one podcast that you should be very careful. These people are not like the Duggers in any way.

  • @arrahbell
    @arrahbell 2 года назад +10

    I am so here for this! I had no idea this cult existed. Thank you for opening my eyes to it, I look forward to you covering more stories about it.

  • @amandajohnson3993
    @amandajohnson3993 2 года назад +22

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been following these dancers since 2020, and was so surprised when I saw some of the posts the last few days. Please get to the bottom of all of this. There is so much talent in this group, I hate to think of anyone taking advantage of them.

  • @aspenalyselong
    @aspenalyselong 2 года назад +21

    I love how he’s called to save so many souls but if you miss one church session you’re exiled 🤦🏼‍♀️

  • @NotDone-bt2hz
    @NotDone-bt2hz 8 месяцев назад +2

    I hope you make more videos about this, many more because they have the potential to open members eyes and exposing fraud that should merit convictions.

  • @lindsaymcmillan9051
    @lindsaymcmillan9051 2 года назад +20

    This poor family.

  • @AddColor2Life
    @AddColor2Life 2 года назад +2

    Anytime a person declares themselves to be ‘the one’ who receives messages from God and no one else does or everyone has to follow the “leaders” Messages - that’s scary! And that isn’t what is taught in the New Testament.

  • @anakelly76512
    @anakelly76512 3 месяца назад +2

    "Too close"? That's a very weird thing to say.
    Families are supposed to be really close.
    If it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, it's definitely a cult.

  • @DrofJustice
    @DrofJustice 2 года назад +15

    The family will need information from people who have left of illegal activity or torts that may be successful in civil suits. A legal fund would be very helpful.

  • @elizabethsmithakaelizabeth3332
    @elizabethsmithakaelizabeth3332 2 года назад +5

    Why is a church managing dancers??? WTF?

  • @kathyglass2922
    @kathyglass2922 11 месяцев назад +3

    Mirandas marriage seems like it is "for promoting the videos" i say this, because i dont see chemistry. I see friendliness, but not chemistry of young love.

    • @worscohli
      @worscohli 10 месяцев назад +1

      on top theres no proof of their marraige 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @kellyanneshereck1421
      @kellyanneshereck1421 8 месяцев назад

      If I may, representing GenX here. Kj is working on the marriage license, meanwhile, I have a question about the ring. You already know I’m old, but does Miranda’s ring look in style? I just don’t see it on a 25 year old in the year 2019(allegedly when they married). Perhaps it’s my eyes.

  • @117Pinkyflower
    @117Pinkyflower 2 года назад +60

    I can’t understand what headspace these people are in that fall for the cults. If I smell, see or think there is BS I’m out!

    • @urmamasmamasmama
      @urmamasmamasmama 2 года назад +12

      People are slowly groomed by the cult. It's a process. Like most absers

    • @abigailcosta3494
      @abigailcosta3494 2 года назад +16

      Don’t say “couldn’t be me” so invalidating to the victims

    • @AANGSBALDHEAD
      @AANGSBALDHEAD Год назад

      That's you not everyone reacts to stuff the same way

    • @bentlyluv1211
      @bentlyluv1211 3 месяца назад +5

      You start with a susceptible group... someone with mental/financial/emotional issues (grieving, got out of a bad relationship, highly in debt, etc) then you add in a highly charismatic narcissist. It's really a simple equation. You say it could never be you, but then I know you've never met a highly charismatic narcissist. You don't see or smell the bs, you just join in. It's basically the same way people get in to abusive relationships.

  • @ybnormal427
    @ybnormal427 2 года назад +9

    This story is real... It seems like Miranda was promised a lot of and in exchange she sold her soul to a guy and management company who needed her status to get them even more money. Her family is devastated for a reason. They trusted this James Derrick guy and he was the one that recruited Miranda. They tried getting both of them but Melanie was the stronger and smarter one. I was a bit taken back by the fake statement from James when he actually had the nerve to say that Miranda was the "better" dancer. Well that is simply not true and to place these two sisters against each other is evil and not Godly. Any religion that takes away from family is not a true religion or church. But I say let Miranda learn her lesson the hard way. I mean if it was that easy to cut the family out then the level she is willing to sell out is beyond understandable. She prefers to be loved via celebrity. How ungodly is that. Let her learn her lesson because its gonna be a very tough fall when James wakes her up cuz he is a recruiter now. The next best young dancer is on her way... Sorry Miranda, you are only a temporary human in this business and replaceable. Let her learn her lesson because James is about to wake her up... it may not be immediately, but it will happen just like his last ex-wife. WHAT ONE ALLOWS... WILL CONTINUE. Peace!!!

    • @yumiloomerstorytime.4830
      @yumiloomerstorytime.4830 2 года назад +2

      All religions take from family and have the power to destroy manipulate and lie.

  • @karacooper7154
    @karacooper7154 3 месяца назад +1

    This finally answered so much I have been curious about. Thank you!

  • @brechtverfremdung2026
    @brechtverfremdung2026 2 года назад +123

    Thanks for this fascinating content. If you’re interested in other weird cult church/dance connections, check out the story of the Kirov Academy of Ballet in Washington DC. It’s closing now and lots of sordid info is coming out. As a former professional ballerina, I can imagine how easily aspiring dancers could become enmeshed in a cult. It’s an extremely difficult and precarious career with emerging artists in a particularly vulnerable position.

    • @wolfyngrey1313
      @wolfyngrey1313 2 года назад +4

      Thank you for sharing this.

    • @thinkmirror8507
      @thinkmirror8507 2 года назад +2

      Will do thanks!

    • @lesleykaychoreography2918
      @lesleykaychoreography2918 2 года назад +8

      Also……Katsura Kan.
      Unfortunately it is easy for a con to manipulate artist, especially dancers, into a cult. We’ve already trained to have incredible discipline, we know we have to live a life that’s not “normal” to the average person and we know how to sacrifice for our craft, it’s so easy for a manipulative sociopath to con someone like that into their grip. I’ve know the Wilkings for decades. I don’t know who that was in the video I saw today but it definitely wasn’t the Miranda I knew. The little girl who was an extra in the first movie I did, the teen who danced with my collegiate dance crew, the girl who would sing for our entire class because she had an incredible voice too……it wasn’t her at all. Heartbreaking 💔

    • @zo9690
      @zo9690 2 года назад +1

      I’ve heard of them!!! I was a ballerina for 13 years and it was a topic of discussion in our community

  • @jrad410
    @jrad410 2 года назад +8

    I had seen the Wilkings together on TikTok and was confused when they just stopped appearing together. I suspected something was off, but never would guessed it involved a cult. Any church that close its doors is suspicious cuz thats the complete opposite of what any religious institution should be.

  • @brandon-ahmauri899
    @brandon-ahmauri899 2 года назад +12

    Thank you so much for all that you are doing to continue to bring this light! ❤️🙌🏾🔑
    I know it’s tough managing so many stories on so many different social media platforms and I appreciate the intention and detail you are taking with this issue. It’s so sad seeing professional dancers that I have looked up to for so long be wrapped in this and I am praying/meditating for all of the victims and families involved that this ends soon . Popular organizations/studios like Dancers Alliance and Millennium Dance Studios 👀👀 (regardless of location) should be actively posting/educating the dance community on this so that future dancers who may be moving to LA aren’t lured in with these same destructive and manipulative individuals. And also, it seems like lots and lots of dancers knew about this for quite a while, especially with stuff being dated back all the way in 2005, so I want to encourage everyone to speak up sooner, rather than later when your intuition picks up bad energy and other evidence supports your feelings because with all of the information regarding the immensely talented Krump community and the many times that this evil energy has tried to prey on members of it, I just wish that more people took a stand and made it known publicly in different circles sooner in the way that we know now so that we as a community could have permanently eradicated this virus since it seems like there is two common denominators in all of this. Sending love, light and compassionate energy to everyone , including the other dancers in the community that are sharing this information and continuing to help get the word out.
    My biggest hope is that once this is over, all of the dancers can get the proper therapy and counseling needed to heal fully from this traumatic experience and that each one can then continue their dance career on a foundation that isn’t based on control, deceit, and corruption but instead grounded in joy, self-love and true community. 🙏🏾✨🌺✨🙏🏾

    • @WithoutACrystalBall
      @WithoutACrystalBall  2 года назад +2

      You make sure good points! I love this idea about studios educating dancers!

  • @nettycakes5293
    @nettycakes5293 2 года назад +10

    Katie!! You brought it again!! I’ve been following you forever with the Duggers and now this! I’ve been getting bits and pieces and now you summed it up perfectly! Thank you so much for all your in-depth research and using your platform to help these young adults live free and get awarded for their talent the right way!

  • @marymenges3788
    @marymenges3788 2 года назад +8

    Amazing work Katie! Let’s get these dancers free, y’all! They might not realize it yet, but hopefully in time? They will realize that the world is NOT against them but completely the opposite. We are rooting for you guys to find your voice, and we are praying that you get your freedom. Because THAT is what god would really want at the end of the day.

  • @TrishTrends
    @TrishTrends 3 месяца назад +2

    The more and more I hear about this is just so infuriating how these people will use religion to prey on vulnerable people. It’s so disgusting

    • @daffedavidsen6306
      @daffedavidsen6306 3 месяца назад

      Seen the Netflix doc?

    • @TrishTrends
      @TrishTrends Месяц назад

      @@daffedavidsen6306 no I haven’t. I have to check it out

  • @auzzygirl8175
    @auzzygirl8175 2 года назад +20

    Be careful Katie. Sounds like these people have no boundaries.

    • @rachekleblanc1091
      @rachekleblanc1091 2 года назад +2

      Well that's okay cause KJ has no boundaries either

  • @cremebrulee4759
    @cremebrulee4759 2 года назад +30

    Definitely a cult. These "prophets" do a great disservice to God. Requiring that level of commitment and exerting that level of control are is clearly brain washing. Katie, you are doing important work. I initially thought you were just commenting on reality TV shows, but I have come to learn that you are doing so much more. Keep up the good work!

  • @promisejrhodes
    @promisejrhodes 2 года назад +2

    Omg wow. This is crazy!! Thank you for covering it.

  • @Schu0086
    @Schu0086 2 года назад +2

    I’ve been waiting for this and it definitely made me happy to finally get this rundown. I feel like I missed the first few Instagram posts about this group and felt lost with the later one, and haven’t had time to go find the beginning so this is exactly what I needed.

  • @kimmcleod7092
    @kimmcleod7092 2 года назад +14

    Great job. Amazing beginnings to broaden awareness of narcissistic, mind controlling, predators searching for prey. May the Epstein Shin-s fall with empty pockets 👍.

  • @Memore18
    @Memore18 2 года назад +2

    This is the wolves Matthew 7:15 talks about. I hope this family get their daughter back.

  • @ashley-cz1sl
    @ashley-cz1sl 2 года назад +10

    Finally been waiting for this video. Been following it on your instagram. Totally worth the wait

  • @charmaynehughes7285
    @charmaynehughes7285 2 года назад +4

    I love these dancers. These weird cults never end well. I don't know that I want to follow this as it sound so dark and evil. The Duggar saga wore me out. I hope your spotlighting this makes a huge difference Katie Joy. Bravo for undertaking this!!! I applaud you.

  • @sheilas3282
    @sheilas3282 2 года назад +15

    I’ve been waiting for this…😁💕

  • @christinethemommy6094
    @christinethemommy6094 2 года назад +7

    Wow... I've watched a lot of these dancers and had no idea. How awful 😞 Thank you so much for the hard work you do. You are so committed to bringing truth out and willing to dive deep for it. I'm sure you get ur share of hate. I remember watching a video where this women tried dragging ur name. I definitely left a comment lol
    Hey, I wanted to ask you something, have you watched "The Family" on Netflix? It's a documentary series from 2019. Not to be confused with Australian "Cult of the Family". The cult I'm referring to is a conservative Christian group that holds a strong influence in Washington, D.C., with global ambitions. I honestly think that's why Jim Bob Duggar wants so badly to be a position of power through politics. In this cult they believe politicians are chosen by God. Which is why conservative Christians groups support certain political leaders that say and do very bad things. This group is extremely powerful and far reaching and I think they sincerely need to be kept in the spotlight as they're running the world behind the scenes.
    I realize ur very busy with this interesting story. I'm just wondering if somewhere in the future you'd have any interest deep diving that story? I'd love to hear ur take.
    Anyway, be safe & take care

  • @mrsshawneeboo
    @mrsshawneeboo 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for covering this. I’ve been watching since you started posting on Insta. It all makes more sense now seeing it this way.

    • @mrsshawneeboo
      @mrsshawneeboo 2 года назад

      This is mind blowing. New age cult.

  • @toddbooth-smith5474
    @toddbooth-smith5474 2 года назад +9

    Intriguing! Can't wait to hear more. Unbelievable that this stuff goes on in the United States.

    • @jessicacohen6477
      @jessicacohen6477 2 года назад

      Lol it’s pretty believable if you look closer

  • @ursulatee
    @ursulatee 2 года назад +1

    Wow how brave of you. Their music, dancers, especially Vik and Miranda, has become a mainstay for me. Thank you and my prayers are there. Thank you.

  • @patrickrobertson7290
    @patrickrobertson7290 Год назад +1

    Thanks for doing this. If you hadn’t brought it up, many of us wouldn’t have known about it. Keep up the good work! I just subscribed to your channel.

  • @briteeni7541
    @briteeni7541 2 года назад +2

    Girl, kudos to your research! Even though facts speaks for themselves, thank you for providing facts❤️

  • @susanlewis1875
    @susanlewis1875 2 года назад +8

    Holy cow. That's some scary stuff, and I know it's only the tip of the iceberg. Thanks for what you do, Katie. Courage.

  • @PennyLester
    @PennyLester 2 года назад +2

    Thank you for shedding light on this. I have seen some of the dancers. It is scary to think with all the technology of today that this still is happening.

  • @annemcintosh2568
    @annemcintosh2568 3 месяца назад +2

    I'm honestly shocked! I love these dancers and started watching the Netflix video, and it took a while to click who I Miranda actually was. I had to go back to look at the RUclips videos to confim. This family could have lost BOTH of their daughters but for that need for her sisters to pick up a friend from the airport! I must say that it strikes me that there is more to the death of "Twitch" . Also it may be too late to button this down, but people need to be REALLY careful in how they advertise their children's talent on line. Scary scary stuff (and NO I don't know the solution... Pandoras Box has well and truly been opened.

  • @theresateegarden9147
    @theresateegarden9147 2 года назад +5

    This is a strange profession for this cult to be using to make money. Having been raised pentecostal and remaining for many years I do know pentecostal doesn't believe in dancing. Many members of the church would get upset because I allowed my children to attend school dances. I and my children have changed churches.

  • @gertibell
    @gertibell 2 года назад +20

    Listening to you describe this group is sounding like an EXACT match to Jim Jones' church only with dancing. Even the pleas of the families sound exactly the same. Let's hope to God this doesn't end with anyone drinking the Kool-Aid.

    • @arosem7142
      @arosem7142 2 года назад +3

      I was thinking the same thing… and NXIIM (or however they spelled it) those family members also tried to get their family away from them. Thankfully most of those leaders are in prison now.

  • @abbynormal206
    @abbynormal206 2 года назад +5

    Wow. Never heard about this group. thanks for digging deep!

  • @frequencypaint1858
    @frequencypaint1858 2 года назад +4

    Hate to state the obvious but here goes. In order to be a match to a cult you have to have vulnerabilities that were fostered in childhood. For example parents who are strict and intolerant to your emotions

  • @leisha9626
    @leisha9626 2 года назад +2

    You do a good job telling these stories/cases

  • @meredithcambell6379
    @meredithcambell6379 2 года назад +6

    I work in the legal arena, you are posting a lot of stuff and making a lot of assumptions. This cease and desist/lawsuit territory.
    The Duggar’s seemingly don’t file lawsuits or issue cease and desists, but you need to be more mindful.
    Does this family have an actual lawyer advising them? Someone needs to be steering the ship here that is a professional. Not trying to take away but you are not a legal expert, not an expert in cults, and not able to help people per your own words. I would hate and I assume you would as well, to see this family end up in legal hot water or lose their ability to speak on this.

  • @sallyjohnson2819
    @sallyjohnson2819 2 года назад +7

    All tax free under the guise of church

  • @marinna.realtor
    @marinna.realtor 2 года назад +1

    What’s so crazy is that this has been going on for so long and no one has exposed them. I’ve scrolled and seen so many of these dance videos, I would never imagine what could have been going on

  • @gloriasmith4838
    @gloriasmith4838 2 года назад +3

    Being a Christian means going out to bring everyone to Christ but cutting others out is not part of Jesus ministry! Everyone has free will and Jesus only is love and loves you no matter what! This is a cult and has nothing to do with Jesus!

  • @amberrose8756
    @amberrose8756 2 месяца назад

    I feel so sorry for the families of the people in this cult, devastating for them!

  • @TayTiaraModel
    @TayTiaraModel 2 года назад +2

    stop calling this a church its not a church! They are using something that people deem as innocent as a cover up for their cult and it's sick. They are not Christians and they have nothing to do with the church. They should face consequences for all the harm they've caused and are continuing to cause for the tiktokers and their families.

  • @JesusIsTheAnswer332
    @JesusIsTheAnswer332 3 месяца назад +1

    Everyone WRITE TO MIRANDA TO TELL HER SHE MUST LEAVE THIS FALSE TEACHER AND GROUP. Tell her she is being used, Not for her gain, but for the Leader’s Gain only!

  • @samanthakwait8782
    @samanthakwait8782 2 года назад +6

    I find this super interesting and am excited to see what you dive into and find Katie

  • @sisboombah9595
    @sisboombah9595 2 года назад +20

    Wow. What a sinister way to manipulate young people. As if we didn't have enough online dangers. Great journalism, Katie. It's clear you did a lot of work. Look forward to following this craziness.