10 INSANE Lord of the Rings Theories | 2 To Ramble #59
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:54 - Theory #1 - Where did the Entwives go?
10:23 - Theory #2 - Gollum Killed Frodo's Parents!?
17:35 - Theory #3 - Talking Fox
24:56 - Theory #4 - The Ring IS Gollum
31:02 - Theory #5 - Tom Bombadil's Origins
39:59 - Theory #6 - Galadriel Gift to Gimli
45:18 - Theory #7 - Why the ring doesn't affect Tom Bombadil...
49:25 - Theory #8 - Frodo DOESN"T KNOW LEGOLAS' NAME!
54:21 - Theory #9 - God's Interference in Middle Earth
1:04:12 - Theory #10 - Gandalf is a recovering alcoholic
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Gandalf is definitely a recovering alcoholic, as are all wizards.
Recovering?
First time I have heard of the “God Interfering in Middle Earth” theory, and I have to say…that theory elevates the story to another level. I am accepting it as fact! Thanks for a great show.
To further the Gollum personality theory, I've always viewed the uttering of the word "Gollum" to actually be an onomatopoeia of the tortuous and choking experience of possessing the ring. We even see this a bit in the intro to ROTK, when Smeagol is first entering the cave. In one of the scenes, he holds his throat and chokes out something mixed between a cough and the word "Gollum." In this, the reader/viewer can viscerally relate to the experience of something that is precious to them but also inflicts harm; almost a Stockholm Syndrome with the ring. So, the ring may still have its own personality, but it may not be named "Gollum." Rather, Gollum is just the noise that shows the readers/viewers the nature of the experience of possessing the ring.
I also noticed Bilbo saying my precious too so I do think it’s a Ring manifestation. Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking this
35:00 my headcannon has always been that because Tom bombadill "exists outside middle earth" and can handle the ring is because he is the author himself. He can manipulate the ring because he created it like all other things in this universe
The Gods Interference does not lessen the heroic actions of each character. In and over to self it elevates the story and makes a ton of sense.
This was a nuanced sense of humor the elves have which is another note it carries along with other reasons she gave this to Gimli of the line of Durin. He created the Galadramir, similar to the Nauglamir, setting the locks of hair into imperishable stone which would become an heirloom of his people forevermore. Instead of it being a silmaril, it had the pure light of the two trees of valinor from her hair that was encased into this hallowed piece of jewelry.
The theory of Gollum being the ring I can get behind fully. If you notice in the movie where Bilbo asks Frodo to hold the ring one last time, when Frodo re-buttons his shirt, there's that split second where Bilbo turns feral and his facial features completely change to almost something like we see with Smeagle/Gollum
I know there were several hints in the books that there may be Ents in the Old forest; Sam's cousin said he saw what looked like an Elm tree walking, & a few characters mention the similarities between Fangorn & the Old Forest. The Old Forest seems to be comprised of Huorn type trees. Is there any references in Tolkien's other work that would refer to the Entwives being in the Old Forest? Its nice to be able to imagine that the Entwives live close to the Shire, but wasn't sure if there was proof..
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Tolkien writes in two of his letters that he does not believe the Ent Wives survived a ‘scorched earth' policy in the war against Sauron that ended the Second Age.
There is a conversation between Sam & Ted Sandyman in the Green Dragon Inn in Chapter 2 of FOTR that discusses sightings of moving trees in the northern part of the Shire. Some have concluded this means Tolkien intended for Ent Wives to survive & be in the Shire. But there's not enough evidence to draw any conclusion.
The fact is this part of LOT was written when it was still meant to be a children's book, a sequal to The Hobbit. Tolkien had also written that part before he developed Ents. I suggest reading the entry in its entirety, it should cover everything pretty well.
Sam's cousin said he saw what looked like an Elm tree walking
This is the best evidence. And Fangorn (Treebeard) is super interested when Merry and Pippin describe The Shire.
He asks them if they've seen Entwives there (saying that they would like such a country), and when they depart he begs them to send news should they see any.
In a nutshell, it seems likely that there may be Entwives in the forests of The Shire. I certainly like to think so, though there's no further mention of them
According to Sam, Hal saw a "Tree-man"
"bigger than a tree"; he also says that he was
"as big as an elm tree, and walking - walking seven yards to a stride, if it was an inch." An adult elm tree can grow well beyond 100 feet in size.
For comparison, Treebeard is describes as being "at least fourteen foot high". The length of his stride isn't given, but l've seen speculations between four and eight feet.
Granted, other Ents could be bigger than him, and we don't know whether the Ent-wives were bigger than the male Ents; but unless they were almost ten times as big as their male counterparts, I don't think what Hal saw is likely to have been an Ent.
To an uneducated, working class hobbit who is probably likely to exaggerate in pub story time, its possible that may have taken an Ent for a huge tree. much more possible than believing he lied, especially considering the hobbit didn't even know any such creature as a walking tree existed.
Sure, but if we concede that the details are unreliable, then all we're left with is the second-hand, probably exaggerated story of a hobbit known for "always saying he's seen things".
And if Hal's fantasy was lively enough to turn a Treebeard-sized Ent into a towering, 100-foot giant, it might as well have turned a tree and some shifting shadows into one.
I'm not saying it's impossible, don't get me wrong.
just think that the source of the rumor, combined with the fact that the details don't even fit very well, makes it rather unlikely to me.
The evidence is sparse at best.
1 guess I just have irrational hope that the Entwives exist somewhere & in canon, that's the only likely place. Also, and this is super oblique... Samwise carries Galadriel's box of seeds back to The Shire. Remember, she read many hearts, and who knows what seeds and nuts may have been in that box.
I’m by far not the only one who hopes beyond hope that the Entwives may still live somewhere. The Ents' story is quite a sad one if they don't. I personally take heart in Treebeard's words, and the Elvish song he recites.
He says: We believe that we may meet again in a time to come, and perhaps we shall find somewhere a land where we can live together and both be content. But it is foreboded that that will only be when we have both lost all that we now
have.
And the Elves made a song of it that ends with the lines:
Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
And far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest.
Maybe, just maybe, by whatever "road beneath the bitter rain" some Ents and Entwives found their way into the West. just don't think it very likely that Hal saw one in the North Moors.
Also, and I hope you don't mind me mentioning it, but there was only one seed (& some earth) in Sam's box suddenly became the salt box in the movie) & that grew into a Mallorn tree. It replaced the party tree I believe.
The Ents also are not trees, and I doubt they would have grown from seeds.
Old Man Willow I think was a hourn, a really old tree that grows "entish" with age. The ents used to herd the horns like livestock, but without an ent to care for it in the old forest, It became violent and restless. (That last bit about the reason for its violence is a bit of my own head canon)
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There's always the fun thought that Yavanna called them to Valinor to avoid their imminent fates when men/sauron took over, and the males were left behind to fight.
I mean, Thave O evidence, but as far as head canon goes it makes me feel better than "they all died"
I would like to think the Entwives survived but I believe they went to what in the third age was called the brown lands and built their gardens there. I think that the Hurons in The Old Forest (very close to the shire) somehow survived from the first age when the whole of eastern middle watch was covered in forests and as man settled and cut them down and Beleriand sunk they got separate and somehow survived.
As long as there's no proof of them being extinct, I like to think they did :)
A lot of things were meant for us to do our own work and be scholars just like him. Certain things were left open ended but in his very clever way.
Also don’t forget the oath she swore to help Fangorn find Fimbrethil when Beleriand arises from the sea once more. She’d return and help him find her. And she meant it. And she had the largest and clearest foresight out of all the elves. ❤️
great video as always guys
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RE: Gollum and the ring, I’ve always assumed that was the case, and I haven’t seen the movies, so there must have been some supporting evidence in the books as well.
This was fascinating! I really enjoyed the video.
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Second breakfast is not in the LOTR book but it is in the Hobbit book
Ah, that makes sense!
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The Gollum killing Frodo’s parents theory is very compelling.
Galadriel's Phial(Frodo’s Gift) is something really special. light & dark have a spiritual dimension in Tolkien. way back before the First Age Valinor was lit by two very special Trees that waxed & waned in opposition to each other. a master craftsman Elf named Feanor fashioned three gems that captured their light, the Silmarils. everyone who saw them was captivated by them, even the Valar & Morgoth the first Dark Lord. wars were fought over them called the Kinstrife. after Morgoth had the Trees destroyed the Silmarils were the only light from them left. they changed hands a few times & eventually one was left after one fell into the sea & another was lost in a pit of magma. a Half Elf named Eärendil (the first true halfelven. And Elrond’s father!) came into its possession & sailed it to Valinor as a gift to the Valar to ask for their help in defeating Morgoth, which they did. the Valar turned it into a star & hung it in the sky with Earendil as its guardian. the fountain of Galadriel's
Mirror is lit by light captured from the star Eärendil & her Phial has water from the fount. I've left out about 90% of the story but it's quite important & central to the story of Middle Earth. for her to give the Phial to Frodo is quite extraordinary. its light does burn & blind Shelob (that's the spider's name) but doesn't kill her outright. oh also, before he was put in the sky to guard the last Silmaril Earendil had two children, Elrond & his brother Elros the first King of Numenor. Tolkien's lore is deep & vast & the Silmarils are at the center of it.
The Star of Eärendil is the light that shines in the horizon both in the morning and the evening. It consists in a boat raised by the Valar and led by Eärendil, who carries a shining Silmaril while watching the Doors of Night. The Door of Night was a portal in the distant Uttermost West that leads to heaven, and/or the Void. Eärendil's ship Vingilot was taken by the Valar from the rim of the world, passed through the Door and was lifted into the "oceans of heaven". PS: Eärendil is ELROND’s half Vanyar Elf father. His father was the great Tuor of the great stories of The Children Of Húrin! ❤️
To understand a bit more about Eärendil we must now look at Elrond(Eärendil’s SON) To clarify things about Elrond & his daughter Arwen and therefore we must look at Elrond’s Twin Brother Elros, they both were half-elven brothers who can choose to be mortal or immortal because of their parents(Eärendil and Elwing) both half elven made a great sacrifice and went to Valinor to ask for help which lead to the greatest events in the early first and second age. Instead of being punished, the valar listened to them, that led to a great hosts of Valar and Maiar And Vanyar Elves went to Middle Earth that laid waste to Beleriand. After the War Of Wrath, the valar rewarded them for their sacrifices. They can choose to be elf or men, including their children. They chose immortally, but never return to Middle Earth because they thought that their twin sons had died. But they didnt die. Elrond chose to be immortal while his twin brother Elros chose to be mortal. He founded the Kingdom of Numenor. He lived in Numenor Island and blessed with a long life that include his descendants Those men who fought for the war were rewarded a long life but not their families or children. Only the family of Elrond can choose to be immortal or mortal in which Arwen did. Aragorn is the direct descendant of Elros, thats why he has a long life. The average lifespan of a Numenorean at their height was a few thousand years maximum! Now remember too that half elves are a common thing and whenever they did come together it was always significant !❤❤❤
Remember this is the SHORT version, there are so many moving parts that will make you want to dive into the books or the audio books or even do reaction videos to the famous lore videos by the biggest lore channels out there!
When you’re done the trilogy try doing reaction videos just like Moviejoob did now with the lore recently as well as OmarioRPG. I recommend videos by GirlNextGondor and The Red Book, and Tolkien Untangled and especially Men Of The West. Many other cool ones I’ll recommend in the comments section of those reaction videos you do from Tolkiens Legendarium lore videos. They are super engaging. You’ll be in love. Nothing would have existed if Tolkiens works never hit the light of day as they were meant to stay private and sometimes be shared with his children and so on. No Game Of Thrones. No Skyrim. No ElderScrolls, No World Of Warcraft, no Dungeons&Dragons. None of it. Not even Star Wars. Not even Harry Potter! They took inspiration from his works which were souly to give back a forgotten history of the Anglo Saxons that had their culture & history destroyed as the larger empires were riding around them. His works reflect the Elder Edda(Norse) The Kalevala(Finnish) and the Welsh people from Wales as well as Irelands cultures of the Tuatha De Danaan as well! His languages are fully fleshed out too resembling Finnish & Welsh
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By the way Elrond is around 6870-8000 years old AND nearly a full Elf year (as they age very very differently to Men) is close to 144 man years (solar years for them) they experience the TIME and the way men experience it but their clock is different! They live as long as the world/Arda/Ëa does. Essentially. Which is why they are so I synch with the world around them and the nature responds to them ! Think of when Legolas walked ontop of all that snow on the Mountain of Caradhras!! They continue to endure as long ad the world itself does. (Arda)
The Star of Eärendil is the light that shines in the horizon both in the morning and the evening. It consists in a boat raised by the Valar and led by Eärendil, who carries a shining Silmaril while watching the Doors of Night. The Door of Night was a portal in the distant Uttermost West that leads to heaven, and/or the Void. Eärendil's ship Vingilot was taken by the Valar from the rim of the world, passed through the Door and was lifted into the "oceans of heaven". PS: Eärendil is ELROND’s half Vanyar Elf father. His father was the great Tuor of the great stories of The Children Of Húrin!❤❤❤❤
Shelob is actually quite ancien considering she is one of Ungoliant's brood that survived being eaten by her mother Ungoliant.
I LOVE the Tom origin theory.
So here is my comment on some of your comment guys:
10. The Ent wives, if you care about them then it's great! Tolkien was so devastated about the rapid industrialization of his town in Birmingham as the forests around it rapidly were overtaken by the city. As if no one ever cares about nature anymore, especially the trees.
Yavanna, valar of the forests pleaded with Eru (God) to let the trees protect themselves from his husband's creation and adopted children of Eru (Dwarves).
9. Gollum killed Frodo's Parents. Probably, Gullom has always been looking for the ring. What drove him away ranges from his guilt, to the rangers of the north, to ring wraiths.
8. The Fox, it actually never talked. But it was asking itself why hobbits were out there sleeping under a tree and went on his way or her way. This shows that the creatures of this world have their own thoughts and worries about their lives. Kind of what modern pet activists say.😅
7. Gollum Film, it's obvious that he has a split personality disorder. This mental condition is brought about by traumatic events in his life like the murder of his best friend. He was unable to forgive himself that he created another personality to be dark, making it appear that Smeagol is a victim of himself.
6.Tom Bombadil, that actually is true. As Gandalf said, "There Are Many Powers In This World, Both For Good And For Evil. Some Are Greater Than I Am, And Against Some I Have Not Yet Been Tested.
One of these powers, is the watcher in the water near the entrance in the mines of Moria.
5. The Galadriel hair, this is confirmed. This is why Legolas respected Gimli after leaving Lothlorien.
4. Tom Bambadil, The creations created by the music of the Ainur are brought to life under the grace of Eru. Thus outside of the natural laws of the world. Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are the personification of good thus they do not know evil just as Ungoliant is the personification of evil and she does not know good. They were glitch in the matrix. These beings are beyond the power of the Valar, even Melkor needed saving when he fought against Ungoliant.
3. Frodo doesn't know Legolas' name, Frodo with Bilbo wrote most of the Red Book of the Westmarch leaving the last pages for Sam. This under Tolkien's letter was translated by himself from Westron (Language of Middle Earth, the Common Tongue) to English. If Frodo doesn't know Legolas' name, then we would not know his name. He would only be known to us as the pointy eared prince, or maybe Logolas name was a creation of Frodo because he doesn't know his name.😂
2. God Interfered, the story of the Fellowship of the Ring is about the Redemption of the world. Frodo was meant to die, the pity of Bilbo, Faramir, Sam and Frodo ultimately ruled in their favor. This reflects the Christian belief of the author that ultimate evil destroys itself, the temptation and greed brought by the ring to both Frodo and Gollum destroyed the ring, not necessarily from God. It was Frodo that took the ring there and God would not take it away from him. But his presence is highly felt in the story itself, watching over the fellowship.
1. Gandalf is Alcoholic, just because someone wanted a wine when you first met him and doesn't when you see him after a few years doesn't mean your friend is a recovering alcoholic.
MUCH deeper lore version with added details for you: Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning behind it, like most things in this movie & reflects the expanded lore of the middle earth universe. Galadriel is one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun, the moon and the stars, but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower and fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor. It is said that Galadriel's hair had somehow captured some of the shine of those two trees. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people & also arguably their greatest craftsman to ever live, asked/demanded that she give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, and other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien.
The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Noldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king many 10s of thousands of years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Thingol)
ever wondered how old Galadriel is during the War of the Ring? I have looked in many different sources and depending on where you look, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 years old. 6,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.) She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous).
Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings. I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened. Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz.
Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees.
Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell. Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.)
One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah.
Note that the second age was the LONGEST and again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her.
I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed and most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting of the last fruit and flower of the two trees of Valinor. She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them.
She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning.
The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years.
Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤
The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair. The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm)
Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago. I’m a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea. Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
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There's a mention of second breakfast in The Hobbit, so I guess it counts for it to included in the books.
Love this! Regarding theory 7, is Tom even a physical being? I’m not so sure
Thanks for watching and good question 👀
Gandalf IS a pothead though, lmao.
"Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
1:22 seconds in and I’m already giggling 😅 I’ll update you after I watch the whole thing 😂 gotta find out what #4 is.
Update: I absolutely enjoyed every moment of this podcast/video! LOTR has always played a big part in my life so it was very fun hearing all the theories. Very compelling and will definitely be watching more of your videos 😊
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Not a fan of the god interference myself, but qll the other theories are so cool. I especially love the silly vs serious ones 😂😂😂
If gollum did kill frodo's parents what turned him aside May have been him searching down Stream of the River for the Ring seeing as he found IT in a riverbed in the First place He May have thought IT was washed down Stream and he searched far down the brandywine River until He was far outside of the shire and then He was turned aside by the dunedain WHO patrolled outside of the shire and He was unable to get Back in so He went on His way Back towards the east just a thought
Hell yea - love the theory expansion !
The interesting thing is with Dagor Dagorath when the Pellori Mountains fall away, the light of the revived two trees is what leads the way for the armies f Valinor to come crashing towards the returned Melkor/Morgoth... Guess who helped Revive the trees with Yavannah and Nienna? Galadriel, her hair contained the PUREST light of the two trees, Could also be that some of said light if frodo took the phial with him, that water contains the light and powers of the silmaril that Earendil had brought into the firmament and dwells there with Elwing in a sort of Godly status.
My 🧠 does not work with names, I know the feeling, I can not remember names of anything great video, I just find your channel and ❤❤❤
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he stated in a live interview that there is ultimate good, not ultimate evil. and he was the odd one out out of that organization that starts with a C. He was reviving ancient knowledge. is letters also exclaim how he's more and more sad about the younger generations more and more are letting go of culture and traditions from all countries... tying in the rise of 'industry' and these mega corporations etc... it was really concerning him. his writings had many purposes.
My favorite LOTR theory is that the entwives became hobbits.
Instantly intrigued
Walter white and the good doctor talking about TLoR? Cool!
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56:50 I think God was the one who put the plan together but I don’t see it as direct interference. The characters still are the active pieces. It’s their choices and actions that led to the end, but Eru’s roadmap was what needed to be followed. I think the ring destroys itself. I haven’t read the books so I may be wrong, but I think in the movies at least Gollum promises on the ring that he won’t harm Frodo. Biting off someone’s finger definitely counts as doing harm. In Tolkien’s universe, breaking oaths and promises always have consequences. The ring punished Gollum but also caused its own destruction.
May I rectify you? The 1st Age corresponds to the creation of the Sun and the Men. Men were there long before the 2nd Age and the World was created many thousands of years before the 1st Age (Age of the Lamps, Age of the Trees)
The Ring is not Gollum, in the book the Ring actualy talks to Gollum warnimg him not to touch the ring agine. And he did not kill Frodo parents.
If this was faster paced it would be viral
Here’s the real mystery. Why is Mistborn era 1 and 2 separated by the Skyward books?
Because Brandon Sanderson said so.
Theory 5 gives me stormlight vibes
I just came for the guy in the right's theories, I saw some of them in shorts and wanted to know more.
Nice. Guy on the left sucks anyways 😮💨
Its in the Hobbit but the thrush understands common speaking and gets the old Raven that can talk
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Kinda rolls off the tongue 😂
Gandalf isn't a recovering alcoholic. You literally see him at Bilbo's party drinking ale.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Austin, I can assure, not everyone knows that.
Remember, a VAST swath of the world still thinks 'Braveheart' is accurate.
Sorry I forget what I said in the video 🫡- what are you referring to?
@@2ToRamble William Wallace, crusaders, exact dates. etc
It was when you busted out EXACT dates, were proud of yourself, then refused to allow yourself to enjoy the moment because, "that's not impressive, _everyone_ knows that"
Give yourself more credit for that exact date.
(Cuz as i said, MANY people revere Braveheart as historically accurate. )
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Intro 😂😂😂😂
I kinda feel like I'm Austin and Richie is my imaginary best friend/conscious
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Tobacco? The books never mention "tobacco." The story says "weed" and "pipe weed." Tobacco isn't know to be as significantly mind and mood altering as it is for the characters. My Theory: Middle Earth was getting blazed!
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Its in the preface in the Fellowship, Tolkin says that it is a form of Tabaco.
Obviously tobacco. Up until the 90s every small town in England had at least one tobacconist. Supermarkets and village stores sold tobacco. Alcohol and tobacco were at the heart of the culture, and had been for over a century. Cigarettes only became the dominant method of taking tobacco due to the world wars, where cheap, convenient cigarettes were more practical than the pipe. Tolkien smoked a pipe incessantly. Men of his age smoked pipes, particularly in rural settings.
Whenever you see someone smoking a pipe in an English film you know they are smoking tobacco, unless it’s specifically shown to be something else. No one who knows anything about recent social history, or Tolkien, would assume it’s cannabis. But it seems that these days people are almost entirely ignorant about the past. Why would a conservative Catholic university professor, writing partly for children, have half his characters on illegal drugs? Its idiotic.
19:40 The fox could be a descendent of Huan, the hunting dog from Valinor that helped Beren and Luthien
Feanor is the Worst GOAT ever
The talking fox theory is possibly the stupidest one i’ve heard so far.
The internet is full of dog and cat videos where their owners have speculated on the thoughts of their pet and annotated this using human sentence structure - for the purpose of humour. Tolkien is just talking about an ordinary fox - which is an intelligent animal, and which is perfectly capable of seeing something unusual and questioning it (This is how foxes have managed to keep themselves alive in England; they know how to use water to cover their scent, and have been seen doubling back over their own tracks to confuse the hunt’s hounds, for example).
So all Tolkien is doing is translating the fox’es surprise at seeing something unusual, and suspicion that something is up, and putting it into English, for the sake of the reader. Bear in mind the whole book is supposed to be a translation from an ancient language and all the character names are different from those in the original text that Tolkien is supposed to be translating into a form that is more familiar to modern humans.
Also, the fox talking to itself like this is an established literary device that the reader would be expected to understand as such. Tolkien probably didn’t expect his work to be read by people who didn’t understand these traditions.
Maybe this is dumb, the entwives. They didnt exist. Trees make seeds and spread the seeds on the land. The entwives are/is middle earth.
I am probably wrong though.
You guys gotta stop soyjacking in the thumbnail if you want anyone to click on these videos, looks awful
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