WWE: "Yea, I know that our entire business model is built upon the foundation of scripted entertainment, but I really think it would be a good idea to put the greenest people trying to get into this profession in a situation that they are both unaware of and not at all prepared for."
you mean like David flair, David Arquette, Drew Carrey....people mostly not trained in wrestling, who were put on screen and did roughly the same stuff with less skill.....these people were trained for this. Best way to see how they will act is when they are on TV and when they don't know something, they should just assume they don't get the W.... they aren't fully trained, so they wanted real facial expressions. They aren't actors, so them acting would have been terrible. And if you heard some one might shoot, you tell the guy to stay away from him, as Vince told Kurt...Kurt thought he could take the real shoot and show him up, he was wrong... But you're going to put these guys on TV...this was their chance to prove themselves and they failed...no wonder no one but the Miss is around from it. The whole concept was just as stupid as their invasion angles...
It's worth noting that, according to Puder, he signed a 4 year developmental contract for $250k a year. So he didn't actually get a million dollars. He also said that when he moved to OVW that WWE wanted to renegotiate his contract for much less. I'm not saying he's a great guy or wasn't too cocky as a rookie, but if I won a contest and the people behind it tried to back out, I'd be frustrated and want out of the whole situation too.
@captainobvious2373 yes, but 1) he didn't wrestle with the company for 4 years and 2) they wanted to pay significantly less than the agreed upon 250k a year when he went to OVW. Thus, he didn't get paid a million dollars. Most people assume that when he won the contest he got paid a million up front, but that's just not the case.
@DMForever - Chris Nawrocki put his trust in the trainers, the refs, Angle himself etc. and went to the hospital with cracked ribs. NONE of them deserve any props or credit, including the refs.
As hard as it is to sympathize with Puder, it definitely sounds like a situation that never should have happened at all, which means the blame ultimately falls on management.
Kurt Angle isn't exactly innocent either. These are green guys on national television that you are keeping out of the loop. Then you have Angle basically punking these young guys until one of them happened to have the mma experience to defend himself. You can't be working with a guy when the rookie isn't in on the game and the veteran is acting like a goon(even if in character). You're burying these young guys for no reason and making them look like punks on TV. None of it should have happened and Angle should know better than to treat young talent like that.
@@geraldmorgan6906 - I would go so far as to say that Kurt Angle is as guilty as sin and should thank his lucky stars that the other contestants, as a group, didn't go WAYYYY off-script. Unlikely? Very, but some of them had to be wondering what they had left to lose.
Now that I think about it, Tough Enough did feel like hazing. The fact that The Miz was able to have a Hall of Fame career despite losing to Puder this season is even more impressive.
@@johnnytelemundoyou’re just jealous because miz has a lot of money these days unlike you, you’re just a peasant who loves to troll inside your mom’s house
“Daniel went into business for himself” Lmao no he didn’t. They said a shoot match and he followed the rules. Never understood why all those wrestlers were so whiny about the situation.
The Daniel Puder incident never set well with me. In a business where there is a lot of physicality, its still a business. Tough Enough was treated like college hazing. Anyone that wasn't drinking the McMahon kool-aide back then would have walked away from such unprofessionalism. Puder took an public beating and in any other business Beniot, Guerrero, and Holly would have been charged with assault. Edit: It should be known that this was done quite a long time ago. The thing with nostalgia channels like this is that you get immersed into believing what you're witnessing is fresh when in fact it's not. From what I've heard from interviews is that Holly has expressed some humility upon reflection in how he conducted himself. Wishing death on the guy from 15-20 years back isn't the way to go, fellas.
Yup, and look where that behavior got the first two. Holly's still alive, but absolutely nobody cares. Then again, that perfectly describes Holly's wrestling career too, so I guess not much has changed for him
The thing is though, like everything in wrestling, he was willingly participating. He knew what was going to happen, and was probably informed beforehand what was going to happen. He can also at any point have said "I'm not doing it" and walked away, he chose to go on. He was probably under the assumption he was just paying his dues, but in reality it's because he had immense heat that doesn't ever go away. Also, despite what this video says, it's a kind of heat in the realm of distrust. When people distrust you, they're going to care less about your well being. Also, being rough with your opponent sometimes is just normal business, especially when you want it to look real. If people like you, they won't be rough, and well puder wasn't liked. Simple word of advice for those wanting to be in the business, being liked by those around you is important.
So Vince wanted it to be a shoot competition but also wanted to engineer it so they controlled the results. Yeah, that definitely won't result in mistakes happening.
It's just like the Brawl for All fiasco, apparently that was meant to be a vehicle for Dr Death Steve Williams to make him seem like a killer...so if that's what they wanted, why not just build Williams up by having him steamroll everyone in his way?
@@Kaltagstar96 Well, the orginal - completely idiotic - "premise" for the Brawl For All was to teach Bradshaw a lesson for flapping his gums in the locker room and bragging that he could beat anyone in the company in a shoot fight. Everything else escalated from there, including the fiasco with Dr.Death. Who was already quite a bit past his prime at that point anyway. Another fine idea conceived by certified "wrestling writer genius" Vince Russo and greenlit by some demented coprophiliac with a hypermasculinity obsession. Not that Jim Ross or anybody else helped with anything.
Hey, let's not explain a damn thing to a guy with no experience of working anything, then get pissed off that it almost went completely sideways. Was Angle already on so many pills, that he thought he could communicate telepathically? And that from a guy who completely embarrassed himself behind the scenes with total cluelessness when he started in the business himself, by insisting that he could never ever lose a match to anyone in the WWF, because _something-something "I'm a legitimate Olympic athlete"._ No wonder they made him portray a dumb-as-a-brick jocko putz who just doesn't get how anything works, as his first real job assignment on WWF TV.
it was clear they weren't supposed to win.....its clear....that he tried to break his arm. Doesn't seem your powers of critical thinking or rational reasoning exist, need to be spoon fed everything huh? Otherwise, you're far from correct?
Actually its a holdover from back in the day when wreslers would do crowd work and fight a random guy in the audience the idea is to get them tired @nooneinparticular1491
I will never understand Hardcore Holly he was such a mid wrestler in ring and the only push he's ever gotten was because the main eventers on Smackdown was lacking at the time. Thank God Eddie Guerrero was the one who took the belt from Brock Lesnar 😂
I felt the same about most DX until after HHH became the game and stopped running with them. In a normal job, you poop in some ones bag, you get fired, if not arrested. But McMahon protected rapist and horrible people for years.
Puder never did anything wrong & what was required was a veteran of the business to take him to the side & tell him he was out of line & that he needs to pay his dues. Now if he carried on being cocky after that then you address the issue another way. WWE & Angle put themselves in a position where nothing good was ever going to happen, but then missed an opportunity to strap a rocket ship to the guy even for just a short period.
Vince: offers a million dollars to the winner of Tough Enough. Locker Room: Grumble, but go along with it because Vince is the boss. Puder: Enters Tough Enough, just like a dozen or more other people. Wins. Locker Room: How dare he take a shortcut?
also, Extra Props for the 'hazing victim' to start an Anti-Bullying Program...i think thats right up there with DDP'S Yoga-Rehab, as far as "post-ring effects" go...
It's really insane that some people seem more bothered about having a perceived "ego" in pro wrestling than they are about three veterans just beating the shit out of a young guy in front of God and everyone on a PPV. That said, it's good to hear that Puder is doing well for himself outside of the industry, good on him for that.
bro was put in the kimura lock, a painful submission move the best thing to do was for Kurt, TO TAP OUT, which probably would've surprised the fans, and put Puder over, because lets be honest, tough enough put 0 guys over. anyone who won tough enough was put over later (see Maven, See Miz)
The match really shouldn't have happened in the first place. Neither of the shoot matches should have happened. Angle, Prichard, McMahon etc. all messed up in various ways there.
People that are entirely new to professional wrestling which the vast majority of newcomers are really shouldn't be on TV. There are just too many potential issues they need time to develop & learn. To my knowledge there are very few professional wrestlers who have a history of wrestling before going to a wrestling promotion. Off the top of my head I can only think of Kurt Angle & Brock Lesnar but I know there are others
thats what happens when you don't really do anything in life, every day is the same. There is nothing to differentiate things in any given year, since they are basically the same. When you work hard and your schedule changes, its easier to remember when things happened and tell that its been 20 years. The fact it doesn't seem like 20 years ago should show you that you really have not done much in 20 years for your mind to find worthy enough of telling.... but most wrestling fans aren't fans because they like the sport...its basically filler for life. To be honest, sounds like you're wasting your life, wasted all that time....maybe work on your English grammar? Go back to school maybe? Get some new friends with different hobbies so you can finally live a different day? Same day for 20 years sounds like a great excuse to stop waking up, that sounds like hell. being long enough ago? You mean The idea of 2005 being so long ago, it doesn't feel like its actually been 20 years, still feels recent. People just use whatever words they want to. No wonder people are so confused now days. the "smart" people listen to are actually lower than average IQ....and then they ignore the people with 2x their IQ...shows they aren't smart, let alone geniuses.
Instead of counting "One" for amateur wrestling or "Three" for professional wrestling, the referee should have counted "FIIVVEEEE!" like King Kong Bundy.
Yeah, Puder got screwed over in that instance and Kurt Angle was a bit of a moron. BUT when even goddamn Kenny Bolin can make valid critcisms about your general attitude and wrong priorities... Then again, the irony of Benoit and Guerrero engaging in that type of behaviour, when they used to be ones who endlessly whined about being held back, disrespected, and sabotaged by the older guys with more pull in WCW. It's always a mistake to expect anyone in the wrestling business to have basic morals and stick to them. They're all just carnies and few mentally mature past high-school level. You'll never end up not being disappointed. It's just a pimps and hoes business.
14:07 Apparently this interview is from 2020 but homeboy was still rockin' the turn-of-the-century frosted tips. Wonder how long he's going to hold on to those.
There's some kind of irony to Bruce Prichard proudly talking about "going old school" on the Tough Enough contestants when it's probably been several decades since he last dragged his fat ass out to do some sprints. Not to mention intentionally making them sick. The more I hear that guy speak, the more I can't stand him.
It’s so true how the language of UFC was used. I remember I was big into MMA early 2000 and people used to say for years oh he does UFC. It was a blanket term
It's still true today. Most people think UFC when they hear the term MMA, just like WWE with pro-wrestling. Even though they're not the end all be all.
Seemed like Puder just got impatient to me. Being in OVW isn't a death sentence to your career. It helped tons of guys get better. You could tell Puder was a natural too, so he wouldn't have been there for much longer.
4:10 Yeah, at the time pretty much all of us knew MMA as “ultimate fighting” because the only MMA stuff we heard about was from the UFC. But it’s still surprising that WWE let Puder et al throw around “ultimate fighter” and “ultimate fighting” on TV like that since they were effectively misrepresenting his ties to a trademarked brand name they had nothing to do with.
Its wild that this was 20 years ago and The Miz is still hanging around! Also wished they did an angle with Miz and Kurt while Kurt was Raw GM, bringing this up during it.
if this was not a fake company, sure...but its a fake company doing fake sports. You guys clearly are the equivolent to Zombies, only brains you have are going in your mouth. Not the one you use for intelligent thinking....no rational reasoning or critical thinking? its not a real sport, its all rigged. If you are not told to win, YOU DO NOT...try to win. It's all rigged, so if you were not told to win, then you lose with style.....
I've always hated this situation. They put a kid in a shoot fight against an Olympic wrestling gold medalist then punished him for winning. It was like beating up the freshman then getting him expelled for fighting back as a senior. Now hearing what i heard about the royal rumble its even worse. What fragile egos. Grow up.
That's exactly what happened to Bart Gunn and the brawl for all fights. He got punished for beating Steve Williams even though the whole thing was a shoot. Such bs
Winning? He didn’t win at all lol. If Angle really wanted to fight him, he would have folded him like a lawn chair. A guy with 1 MMA fight isn’t beating an Olympic gold medalist in a fight. Let’s be real
Angle was stupid to pick Puder when Vince warned him not to, and I see nothing wrong with what Puder did for the most part, in THAT instance. Everything that happened afterwards though, to some degree, is on him. Especially not sticking it out and working to become a better worker, which is what everybody has to do. His attitude seems like that of someone who thinks that the dirty work is beneath them, and that's on him.
it was probably locker room talk that Puder was gonna shoot and Angle thought he had enough faculties to win outright. So he wanted to make an example, that Vince didn't want to make, even though he let it happen.
Glad to hear Daniel Puder is doing well. But yeah, that whole situation made me quite uncomfortable when I watched it back then. I'm thinking about how avoidable it could've all been. So I guess nobody pulled him to the side and had a conversation instead of him getting beat up by three veterans of the business? That's kind of messed him. But everything worked out for Daniel Puder, Kurt Angle, and The Miz. Lessons learned I suppose.
He humbled an Olympic hero by shooting on him in the ring? Who in the hell do you guys think Daniel puder is? With how he gets talked about you’d think he went to the ufc and dominated
@@jackiemoon5906 still our Olympic hero was out of control. Even he said it. He was going through major personal issues and took some of his anger out on the Rookies.
@@Diabolico.666 hey at least this wasn’t when he was really out of control threatening Vince and pulling his pants down in front of everyone in the writers room😂😂
Stuff like this pisses me off. You could just as easily wrote this into a storyline of Kurt always being self conscious of this event and elevated his career as well as the rookies. Instead everyone has a stick up their ass because “it wasn’t done the way I expected”. Sometimes in life and business role with it. “Own the meme”
Didn’t the Miz go through similar bullying back then as well despite his current success? I swear…A ton of wrestlers had a huge chip on their shoulders back in the Ruthless Aggression era, huh? Pretty much cutthroat. If you so much has BREATHE funny back then in a WWE locker room back in the early 2000’s, you’ll pay for it, in and out of the ring.
@@erikaw7767 Wasn't just Benoit. Others bullied him as well. Wasn't just that incident with the chicken where Miz was kicked out of the locker room for months, till Undertaker let him back in.
Some chicken crumbs were left in either a ref's or another wrestler's bag and Miz was blamed for it. Benoit kicked him out the locker room and another wrestler had to let him back in.
Kurt thought he could shoot grapple with anyone but Jiujitsu was just popping off that point. And you cant stop what you dont know. You could never do this today, every other guy is training now.
Miz also had prior wrestling training. He had already been in the business for over a year before Tough Enough, wrestling against future WWE wrestlers like Chris Masters, Deuce/Sim Snuka, and Sylvester Terkay. UPW was practically an unofficial WWE developmental in the early 2000s.
I always thought this story really shows up how WWEs current narrative about “Cena slapping angle being unscripted” and him “stepping up and grabbing the brass ring” is just a load of BS.
Don't know what our boy is gonna say about this, but before watching I'll just say I would've done the same thing Puder did (if I could). Like, how's he supposed to know he's not supposed to do his best to win? Were they not supposed to try to win all the other challenges on the show? Why would he think he's supposed to stick to freestyle or folkstyle rules when the referee was counting to 3 in all the previous matches? The natural assumption at that point is that all grappling moves are fair game. Puder seems like a douche, but he did nothing wrong there.
if you're not told to win, YOU DON'T WIN......use your brain, if you don't have one ask your boss...you are apparently as much of a zombie as Puder is, in the brain department.
I agree. I remember seeing this live. Daniel did nothing wrong. I think he was hazed at the rumble, but as a Marine, I can say that it seemed more like a right of passage than pure hazing. Everyone in a brotherhood type organization goes through this and how they handle it determines if their accepted. It's like making the new guy at work do all the shitty things for a bit to test his metal. After he does without bitching, they start to open up and before he knows it he is part of the crew.
I love Kurt Angle but this whole situation was hilarious. The way WWE punished Puder in the 2005 Royal Rumble by having Eddie Guerrero, Hardcore Holly and Chris Benoit pretty much team up on him and kick his ass was hilarious and messed up at the same time.
In retrospect I think Puder got the treatment he recieved in WWE not just because he apparently broke locker-room etiquette or because of the incident talked about in this video, but also because the wrestlers at the time could've felt threatened by people with MMA background like Puder. Remember, when this happened MMA and UFC rose to prominence and established themselves as the "true tough-guys" in the entertainment industry while Wrestling was on another harsh decline after the boom brought in by the Attitude-Era fizzled out shortly after WM17. Plus, many of the established guys who weren't just active in the WWE also could see what happened internationally like in Japan, where promotions like K1 etc. threatened to destroy the wrestling landscape which led to Inoki-ism etc.. Still remember interviews of some of the bigger wrestlers back then who actually voiced their concern about the business because of the rising popularity of MMA. Remember, it took generational mega talents like Cena and Tanahashi respectively to give their companies second lifes during that period and allow them to compete with UFC and MMA, which could explain why wrestlers, especially those who still had come into the business during the late territory era, might've had an issue with people like Puder just because of their origin as fighters.
Puder's incident with Kurt Angle happened before the first season of "The Ultimate Fighter" even premiered, so I don't think fear of a white-hot MMA was the issue here. Puder also only had one professional fight before this incident-- his MMA career didn't progress beyond that until after he was booted from the WWE the following year. Besides, things like catch wrestling (which many of the boys backstage were also trained in) had already been around for decades. Puder's hardly the first guy to slap on a snug armlock and stretch a guy in the middle of a match. I think the real reason was that the hazing he and the rest of the "Tough Enough" cast was supposed to go through is seen as a rite of passage in the business regardless of how tough you are and refusal to go through it would be seen as unfair by the established guys and evidence of a problematic ego that's going to manifest itself in ugly ways later on down the line. Basically the same deal with almost every discipline case in the history of the business.
@@j.menapace625 Fair enough, I thought the first season of Ultimate Fighter had just wrapped up right before Tough Enough started, hence my assumption this could've fed into Puders treatment he recieved. also, on the second part: I find it so ironic that they might've thought that the hazzing was a rite of passage to make sure peoples egos don't get to big when, in reality, this entire nonsense basically gave us some of the biggest egomaniacs the business has ever seen.
Nice insight, along with a refreshing perspective. Something people might overlook too, is the WWF/E had this attitude about seizing the moment, and that's what Puter did. Yeah, it's a shame there was never a proper story between the two.
I’m glad to hear this opinion from you. I’m pretty surprised with the amount of people who take Kurt’s side on this. He challenged the guy to a real fight and lost. Kurt could have tapped but his ego would never allow it. He should have explained the rules, but he wanted to bully these guys and got what was coming to him. As a fan of all combat sports, this ordeal and the brawl for all really make some of these wrestlers look pathetic.
Kurt didn’t lose. He didn’t try to fight him. He thought it was a wrestling match and Puder did something that’s not permitted in a standard wrestling match. A guy with 1 MMA fight is not beating an Olympic gold medalist in a fight. Angle would have folded him like a lawn chair in an actual fight.
I see a lot of you saying Angle lost to Puder? It wasn’t a fight, it was a wrestling match which Puder locked in a kimura which is illegal in a wrestling match. Had it been a real fight, Angle would have mopped the floor with him. A guy with 1 MMA fight is not beating an Olympic gold medalist who beat Brock Lesnar in a legit wrestling match. Lesnar couldn’t take him down a single time in 15 minutes.
Had it been a real fight? Then angle's arm would have been broken. It is obvious that angle can't legitimately fight. He is just an actor. Wrestling is not a sport, it is just entertainment.
Puder said that he could've taken Chris, Eddie & Bob all at the same time had it be an actual fight...I'm sorry but there's no way you can convince me that's true
Using UFC or Ultimate Fighting to describe all MMA back then was similar to using Band-Aid to describe all bandages. Hell, even some ppl in the early 90s said WWF to describe all wrestling.
It's still relatively the case today, especially in the Western world. Because if you look at the landscape back then, Pride FC was still running in 2005 in Japan, altough they would go out of business 2 years later.
Because his name started with P and ended with "uder" on a Friday. There was no real reason. If you hate someone you can just make up any justification to lay it into them.
You know something that is amazing and ironic and bizzare, it's that if you put all the wrestlers in a ring unscripted/ fight for all, a REAL fight/ match. The ones who will come out on top are mostly the ones that are either low card/ mid card guys. Let that sink in.. Ofcorse you have some exceptions but mostly it's the ones who have never been champions or regarded highly by wwe
I kinda see it both ways - Puder didn't do himself any favors but veteran wrestlers should have known better giving the inexperience & the arrogance of youth that is sometimes commonplace. There were ways to manage this whole thing better without it escalating as it did but alas what's done is done. Kurt I love ya as a one of the greatest pro wrestlers in history but sadly this time you forgot one of your three I's in Intelligence.
looked like a good sell to me...Mizz? It's not a finisher, did he expect it to knock them out? if they expected that, then it was clear that they were only using them as a way to make their wrestlers look good. Just like with all their invasion angles
Correction, he became one of the worst wwe champions with one of the worst wrestlemania main event matches of all time, becoming a third wheel since no one cared about him during the cena and the rock rivalry
I remember one of the original ideas was to give Nunzio/Little Guido some mentor role as he was trained by Billy Robinson and is quite versed in CACC (he actually wrestled the legendary Kazushi Sakuraba in the UWFi), but then they went back to Al Snow.
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WWE: "Yea, I know that our entire business model is built upon the foundation of scripted entertainment, but I really think it would be a good idea to put the greenest people trying to get into this profession in a situation that they are both unaware of and not at all prepared for."
“That not gonna work for me brother” 💪👴
Didn't learn from the Brawl for All. Let's book shoot fights in pro wrestling!
@@speedy316uk Or WWE Underground
you mean like David flair, David Arquette, Drew Carrey....people mostly not trained in wrestling, who were put on screen and did roughly the same stuff with less skill.....these people were trained for this. Best way to see how they will act is when they are on TV and when they don't know something, they should just assume they don't get the W....
they aren't fully trained, so they wanted real facial expressions. They aren't actors, so them acting would have been terrible. And if you heard some one might shoot, you tell the guy to stay away from him, as Vince told Kurt...Kurt thought he could take the real shoot and show him up, he was wrong...
But you're going to put these guys on TV...this was their chance to prove themselves and they failed...no wonder no one but the Miss is around from it. The whole concept was just as stupid as their invasion angles...
And let's do it on TV so everyone can see the results
It's worth noting that, according to Puder, he signed a 4 year developmental contract for $250k a year. So he didn't actually get a million dollars. He also said that when he moved to OVW that WWE wanted to renegotiate his contract for much less. I'm not saying he's a great guy or wasn't too cocky as a rookie, but if I won a contest and the people behind it tried to back out, I'd be frustrated and want out of the whole situation too.
250 K in 4 years is a million...
@captainobvious2373 yes, but 1) he didn't wrestle with the company for 4 years and 2) they wanted to pay significantly less than the agreed upon 250k a year when he went to OVW. Thus, he didn't get paid a million dollars. Most people assume that when he won the contest he got paid a million up front, but that's just not the case.
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It’s hilarious though because he got publicly EMBARRASSED 😂😂
@@rayengstrom1905 he also disrespected the place to a great degree, if it was not for that Angle incident he would have been fine..
Gotta give the ref props for the tuff enough shoot move with the pin
Ref saved Kurt’s ass heavy
Yep Puder had him. Kurt was about to tap crazy enough
@DMForever - Chris Nawrocki put his trust in the trainers, the refs, Angle himself etc. and went to the hospital with cracked ribs. NONE of them deserve any props or credit, including the refs.
As hard as it is to sympathize with Puder, it definitely sounds like a situation that never should have happened at all, which means the blame ultimately falls on management.
It’s hilarious because he got publicly EMBARRASSED 😂😂😂
Kurt Angle isn't exactly innocent either. These are green guys on national television that you are keeping out of the loop. Then you have Angle basically punking these young guys until one of them happened to have the mma experience to defend himself. You can't be working with a guy when the rookie isn't in on the game and the veteran is acting like a goon(even if in character). You're burying these young guys for no reason and making them look like punks on TV. None of it should have happened and Angle should know better than to treat young talent like that.
@@geraldmorgan6906 - I would go so far as to say that Kurt Angle is as guilty as sin and should thank his lucky stars that the other contestants, as a group, didn't go WAYYYY off-script. Unlikely? Very, but some of them had to be wondering what they had left to lose.
It's not hard if you are not a mark
Could’ve made it if he took it in stride
Now that I think about it, Tough Enough did feel like hazing. The fact that The Miz was able to have a Hall of Fame career despite losing to Puder this season is even more impressive.
Agreed. Miz had to earn everything. Look at what he came out with.
A multi champ. His own tv show with his wife maryse.
his name is the pizz. get it right
Who is this indian talmout pizz lol wtf
@@johnnytelemundoyou’re just jealous because miz has a lot of money these days unlike you, you’re just a peasant who loves to troll inside your mom’s house
I mean, of course he ended up on top. His entire season of "the Real World" was him doing pretend WWE promos.
13:15 Bruce Prichard admitting to WWE doing something wrong? That's hard to believe.
If it was about Vince, he definitely would've said he was right and that anything to the contrary was just a witch hunt.
Shut up Mark
Now if it was Vince then hed be different
Angle: We're gonna have a shoot fight.
Also Angle: _You're supposed to let me win!_
As cocky and insolent as Puder may have been at the time, this was 100% management's fault along with the locker room antics backfiring on Kurt.
“Daniel went into business for himself” Lmao no he didn’t. They said a shoot match and he followed the rules.
Never understood why all those wrestlers were so whiny about the situation.
Cuz their precious ego was hurt 🤷🏻♂️
Cause a rookie completely embarrassed one of them
Because Puder was about to tap the toughest of them and they know it. hewas about to clean up Angle imagine what he'd do to the fake tough guys
cause daniel could beat them all up in real life.
fragile egos
@@thedancefoolsince puder could beat everyone up he should have beat up the guys in the royal rumble who all used him as a punching bag for a while
That's new information for me:
Vince told Angle NOT to have a fight with Puder.
I'm guessing Vince was in the ear of that ref: "Count to three quickly!"
Probably reverse psychology tbh, he knew exactly what would start Kurt off
@@only1icon1801Vince: it’s such good sh*t!
Nobody can be mad at Puder for doing what he did lol
@@only1icon1801 Probably but I don't think Vince really wanted Kurt to get hurt but he knew that Kurt wouldn't do what he said lol
"I'm sore and can hardly breathe! Well, at least it can't get any wor..."
*Hardcore Holly's theme music
"How Do You Like Me Now"
Lmfao
@@keirtanaka2929beat me to it 😂
Well, he was luckly JBL happened to be the WWE champion during that time.
@@DBoy38 he was probably campaigning to be in the match just so he could get a few digs in.
The Daniel Puder incident never set well with me. In a business where there is a lot of physicality, its still a business. Tough Enough was treated like college hazing. Anyone that wasn't drinking the McMahon kool-aide back then would have walked away from such unprofessionalism. Puder took an public beating and in any other business Beniot, Guerrero, and Holly would have been charged with assault.
Edit: It should be known that this was done quite a long time ago. The thing with nostalgia channels like this is that you get immersed into believing what you're witnessing is fresh when in fact it's not. From what I've heard from interviews is that Holly has expressed some humility upon reflection in how he conducted himself. Wishing death on the guy from 15-20 years back isn't the way to go, fellas.
That’s why two of them are dead and the third who knows
Yup, and look where that behavior got the first two. Holly's still alive, but absolutely nobody cares. Then again, that perfectly describes Holly's wrestling career too, so I guess not much has changed for him
@@juansanchez209 God damn, what a burn. Holly lives in obscurity while the other two died and are still revered (Benoit less so).
Pretty sure they didn't die because they were instructed to be stiff during a Royal Rumble match...
The thing is though, like everything in wrestling, he was willingly participating. He knew what was going to happen, and was probably informed beforehand what was going to happen. He can also at any point have said "I'm not doing it" and walked away, he chose to go on. He was probably under the assumption he was just paying his dues, but in reality it's because he had immense heat that doesn't ever go away. Also, despite what this video says, it's a kind of heat in the realm of distrust. When people distrust you, they're going to care less about your well being.
Also, being rough with your opponent sometimes is just normal business, especially when you want it to look real. If people like you, they won't be rough, and well puder wasn't liked. Simple word of advice for those wanting to be in the business, being liked by those around you is important.
Good on Puder for where he is now in life. Ain't about how you start, it is about how you finish.
He got publicly EMBARRASSED 😂😂
Whats he up 2 now?
So Vince wanted it to be a shoot competition but also wanted to engineer it so they controlled the results.
Yeah, that definitely won't result in mistakes happening.
It wouldn't be the first time McMahon greenlits something only to blame others after it blows.
It's just like the Brawl for All fiasco, apparently that was meant to be a vehicle for Dr Death Steve Williams to make him seem like a killer...so if that's what they wanted, why not just build Williams up by having him steamroll everyone in his way?
@@Kaltagstar96absolutely the example I was thinking of too.
@@Kaltagstar96 Well, the orginal - completely idiotic - "premise" for the Brawl For All was to teach Bradshaw a lesson for flapping his gums in the locker room and bragging that he could beat anyone in the company in a shoot fight. Everything else escalated from there, including the fiasco with Dr.Death. Who was already quite a bit past his prime at that point anyway.
Another fine idea conceived by certified "wrestling writer genius" Vince Russo and greenlit by some demented coprophiliac with a hypermasculinity obsession. Not that Jim Ross or anybody else helped with anything.
@@exeortegarubio Who cares the guy sucked anyhow
Kurt Angle brought this incident on himself. Ignoring Vince's orders, injuring Chris Nawrocki, I don't blame Daniel Puder humbling Kurt.
You are a my little pony fan. Shut up
I listened to Kurt’s podcast and I think he said he was going thru a lot and Vince wanted him to humble the green guys
Hey, let's not explain a damn thing to a guy with no experience of working anything, then get pissed off that it almost went completely sideways. Was Angle already on so many pills, that he thought he could communicate telepathically?
And that from a guy who completely embarrassed himself behind the scenes with total cluelessness when he started in the business himself, by insisting that he could never ever lose a match to anyone in the WWF, because _something-something "I'm a legitimate Olympic athlete"._ No wonder they made him portray a dumb-as-a-brick jocko putz who just doesn't get how anything works, as his first real job assignment on WWF TV.
he was probably perced out of his mind.
@@henrygvidonas9573 Did Kurt Angle personally hurt you? Geez dude xD
Welcome to the backassward world of wrestling kid. You got "Bart Gunned". Punished for doing nothing wrong.
This.
Somebody called the wha-ambulance
Umm...lol he literally did the opposite of his job..his instincts are terrible..it wasn't an mma match...the amount of disrespect there is unreal.
@@erikaw7767Kurt wasn’t working though. He wanted a shoot fight and he got one.
@@kd2453 Then Pruder bitches about the Rumble.
I don't think Puder did anything wrong either cause they had no idea what they were supposed to do
it was clear they weren't supposed to win.....its clear....that he tried to break his arm. Doesn't seem your powers of critical thinking or rational reasoning exist, need to be spoon fed everything huh? Otherwise, you're far from correct?
Right?
He had no charisma and had a attitude . BuT ThEy HaVe No IdEa
@@Zalzaz what point are you making?
It’s still hilarious because he got publicly EMBARRASSED 😂😂😂
Thats why you dont have those types of segments. Puder did nothing wrong. He was punished for no good reason.
He couldn't cut it.
@@MoeMoon WWE isn’t gonna hire you my guy
Exactly. He got told to shoot fight Angle, so he did.
Now puder is probably some ups man.😂
I'm amazed puder didn't continue his
Wrestling carrer in the indies.😂
So Bruce thought it was a good idea to “test them” by having them eat lots of pasta and milk that’s not normal
Bruce never had an idea that wasn't Vince's.
Old school normal...like 70's style 😅
@dasiareed2708 - This is quite the conundrum for me; I honestly can't decide whether Bruce was being a f'n moron or an f'n idiot.
Actually its a holdover from back in the day when wreslers would do crowd work and fight a random guy in the audience the idea is to get them tired @nooneinparticular1491
But Vince Russo gets heat
How about give Prichard the same training as the recruits
Why don't you?
Pasta and buttermilk sounds like a regular Prichard meal.
I will never understand Hardcore Holly he was such a mid wrestler in ring and the only push he's ever gotten was because the main eventers on Smackdown was lacking at the time.
Thank God Eddie Guerrero was the one who took the belt from Brock Lesnar 😂
I felt the same about most DX until after HHH became the game and stopped running with them. In a normal job, you poop in some ones bag, you get fired, if not arrested. But McMahon protected rapist and horrible people for years.
He was the biggest bully in the roster i think
The shoot fights were in fact, not a good piece of business.
Great video!
I respect Puder for standing up
You are such a clown
Puber was a cocky prick, according to the other folks in the back. 🥴
Puder never did anything wrong & what was required was a veteran of the business to take him to the side & tell him he was out of line & that he needs to pay his dues. Now if he carried on being cocky after that then you address the issue another way. WWE & Angle put themselves in a position where nothing good was ever going to happen, but then missed an opportunity to strap a rocket ship to the guy even for just a short period.
I always stop whatever I'm doing when Wrestling Bios releases a new video.
I’d walk out of my Grandad’s funeral service if Wrestling Bios dropped a new video during it. Or I’d just put it on inside the church.
Kurt asked for it and he got what he asked for. Honestly Daniel had that locked in, but looked like he could've cranked a lot harder than he did.
Vince: offers a million dollars to the winner of Tough Enough.
Locker Room: Grumble, but go along with it because Vince is the boss.
Puder: Enters Tough Enough, just like a dozen or more other people. Wins.
Locker Room: How dare he take a shortcut?
also, Extra Props for the 'hazing victim' to start an Anti-Bullying Program...i think thats right up there with DDP'S Yoga-Rehab, as far as "post-ring effects" go...
It's really insane that some people seem more bothered about having a perceived "ego" in pro wrestling than they are about three veterans just beating the shit out of a young guy in front of God and everyone on a PPV. That said, it's good to hear that Puder is doing well for himself outside of the industry, good on him for that.
Soi basically Kurt's ego got the best of him and he nearly got his arm broke for his troubles.
bro was put in the kimura lock, a painful submission move
the best thing to do was for Kurt, TO TAP OUT, which probably would've surprised the fans, and put Puder over, because lets be honest, tough enough put 0 guys over. anyone who won tough enough was put over later (see Maven, See Miz)
@@woobgamer5210it put over maven
And Nadia
@@pleaseshutup7053who's Nadia moron do you mean nidia ?
Puder did have a massive ego
The match really shouldn't have happened in the first place. Neither of the shoot matches should have happened. Angle, Prichard, McMahon etc. all messed up in various ways there.
I always thought he had a striking resembelence to Tito Ortiz.
he has a very common face. Most of these people are bullies so it fits.
Thank you for the content Wrestling Bios.
People that are entirely new to professional wrestling which the vast majority of newcomers are really shouldn't be on TV. There are just too many potential issues they need time to develop & learn. To my knowledge there are very few professional wrestlers who have a history of wrestling before going to a wrestling promotion. Off the top of my head I can only think of Kurt Angle & Brock Lesnar but I know there are others
the idea of 2005 being long enough ago where today is a different time is worrying, it still feels recent to me
thats what happens when you don't really do anything in life, every day is the same. There is nothing to differentiate things in any given year, since they are basically the same. When you work hard and your schedule changes, its easier to remember when things happened and tell that its been 20 years. The fact it doesn't seem like 20 years ago should show you that you really have not done much in 20 years for your mind to find worthy enough of telling....
but most wrestling fans aren't fans because they like the sport...its basically filler for life. To be honest, sounds like you're wasting your life, wasted all that time....maybe work on your English grammar? Go back to school maybe? Get some new friends with different hobbies so you can finally live a different day? Same day for 20 years sounds like a great excuse to stop waking up, that sounds like hell.
being long enough ago? You mean The idea of 2005 being so long ago, it doesn't feel like its actually been 20 years, still feels recent. People just use whatever words they want to. No wonder people are so confused now days. the "smart" people listen to are actually lower than average IQ....and then they ignore the people with 2x their IQ...shows they aren't smart, let alone geniuses.
@@jamesmeppler6375 are you always a douche or is this a special occasion?
@@jamesmeppler6375 holy projection
Same here.😞
@@jamesmeppler6375that might be the most retarded thing I’ve ever read.
Instead of counting "One" for amateur wrestling or "Three" for professional wrestling, the referee should have counted "FIIVVEEEE!" like King Kong Bundy.
Yeah, Puder got screwed over in that instance and Kurt Angle was a bit of a moron. BUT when even goddamn Kenny Bolin can make valid critcisms about your general attitude and wrong priorities...
Then again, the irony of Benoit and Guerrero engaging in that type of behaviour, when they used to be ones who endlessly whined about being held back, disrespected, and sabotaged by the older guys with more pull in WCW. It's always a mistake to expect anyone in the wrestling business to have basic morals and stick to them. They're all just carnies and few mentally mature past high-school level. You'll never end up not being disappointed. It's just a pimps and hoes business.
Finding out about all the predators in the pro wrestling business especially WWE isn't shocking and never was in my opinion
Puder won in the end. Eddie Guerrero is dead (RIP) and Benoit is dead too (he’s down there).
As you said: carnies, the lot of them. Wrestling basically thrives on "rules for thee but not for me".
Puder was the bigger moron tbh
14:07 Apparently this interview is from 2020 but homeboy was still rockin' the turn-of-the-century frosted tips. Wonder how long he's going to hold on to those.
There's some kind of irony to Bruce Prichard proudly talking about "going old school" on the Tough Enough contestants when it's probably been several decades since he last dragged his fat ass out to do some sprints. Not to mention intentionally making them sick. The more I hear that guy speak, the more I can't stand him.
It’s so true how the language of UFC was used. I remember I was big into MMA early 2000 and people used to say for years oh he does UFC. It was a blanket term
The same went for pro wrestling here in Greece. Everyone used to call it " SmackDown " and the wrestlers " SmackDownists ".😅
It's still true today. Most people think UFC when they hear the term MMA, just like WWE with pro-wrestling. Even though they're not the end all be all.
just like all tall off road vehicles are called "jeeps " isn't it ?
@ correct and right
@@Ultriac301 Smackdownists🤣 that’s brilliant
Prichard should never physically train anyone.
So many wrestling personalities claiming to be doctors: Dr. D. David Schultz, Dr. of Style Slick, The Doctor of Desire Tom Prichard
@@roccojamison89gooker51 Don't forget a certain Doctor of Thuganomics and Dr. Wagner, Jr.
@@michaelbreen7865 But I can't C him!
Dr Death Steve Williams,
@@roccojamison89gooker51 Can I include Dr . Jill Biden ?
Ah, the origins of Perc Angle.
no....perc angle started in the 90s after he broke his neck
@@jamesmeppler6375Nope. February of 2003, after Brock broke his neck and sent Kurt for another surgery.
He was already heavily into them before this
💊🥱🥃
His freakin neck if u will😂
Moral of the story: If you're a wrestler, don't get into shoot fights with MMA fighters
Natural heel. Wwe dropped the ball
WWE: If We didn't plan it, it ain't gonna happen!
tons of people were good heels, doesn't mean it would have been profitable...this was just stupid in ever aspect
Seemed like Puder just got impatient to me. Being in OVW isn't a death sentence to your career. It helped tons of guys get better. You could tell Puder was a natural too, so he wouldn't have been there for much longer.
@@marquan1976 This is basically what Vince was all about
4:10 Yeah, at the time pretty much all of us knew MMA as “ultimate fighting” because the only MMA stuff we heard about was from the UFC. But it’s still surprising that WWE let Puder et al throw around “ultimate fighter” and “ultimate fighting” on TV like that since they were effectively misrepresenting his ties to a trademarked brand name they had nothing to do with.
"One of the guys just got right back up"
That's because he already knew he was AWESOME.
Miz-Show!!!😂😂😂😂
He didn't take it seriously because HE CAME TO PLAY
Then he got down on his knees to pray. ( not sure if I got the lyrics right of not )
Its wild that this was 20 years ago and The Miz is still hanging around! Also wished they did an angle with Miz and Kurt while Kurt was Raw GM, bringing this up during it.
Im a huge kurt angle fan, but puder was 100% not to blane here.
if this was not a fake company, sure...but its a fake company doing fake sports. You guys clearly are the equivolent to Zombies, only brains you have are going in your mouth. Not the one you use for intelligent thinking....no rational reasoning or critical thinking?
its not a real sport, its all rigged. If you are not told to win, YOU DO NOT...try to win. It's all rigged, so if you were not told to win, then you lose with style.....
I've always hated this situation. They put a kid in a shoot fight against an Olympic wrestling gold medalist then punished him for winning. It was like beating up the freshman then getting him expelled for fighting back as a senior. Now hearing what i heard about the royal rumble its even worse. What fragile egos. Grow up.
That's exactly what happened to Bart Gunn and the brawl for all fights. He got punished for beating Steve Williams even though the whole thing was a shoot. Such bs
Except he didn't win. But it always makes me smile a little to know that there are still Marks in the world.
It’s hilarious though because he got publicly EMBARRASSED, And he still thinks he’s like Brock Lesnar
Winning? He didn’t win at all lol. If Angle really wanted to fight him, he would have folded him like a lawn chair. A guy with 1 MMA fight isn’t beating an Olympic gold medalist in a fight. Let’s be real
Angle was stupid to pick Puder when Vince warned him not to, and I see nothing wrong with what Puder did for the most part, in THAT instance. Everything that happened afterwards though, to some degree, is on him. Especially not sticking it out and working to become a better worker, which is what everybody has to do. His attitude seems like that of someone who thinks that the dirty work is beneath them, and that's on him.
it was probably locker room talk that Puder was gonna shoot and Angle thought he had enough faculties to win outright. So he wanted to make an example, that Vince didn't want to make, even though he let it happen.
Why was Bruce Prichard involved in any of this? What a stooge.
This was probably just Vince wanting to get a laugh.
Glad to hear Daniel Puder is doing well. But yeah, that whole situation made me quite uncomfortable when I watched it back then. I'm thinking about how avoidable it could've all been. So I guess nobody pulled him to the side and had a conversation instead of him getting beat up by three veterans of the business? That's kind of messed him. But everything worked out for Daniel Puder, Kurt Angle, and The Miz. Lessons learned I suppose.
Puder could of been something in WWE.
Oh well.🤷
Angle was high as a kite and out of control.
Puder humbled his ass.
only one of them knew it was a shoot, chill out.
put Angle and Puder in a room alone and Angle walks out of that room 10/10 times
He humbled an Olympic hero by shooting on him in the ring? Who in the hell do you guys think Daniel puder is? With how he gets talked about you’d think he went to the ufc and dominated
Sadly, we as fans never got a Daniel Puder versus Dave Meltzer match
@@jackiemoon5906 still our Olympic hero was out of control.
Even he said it.
He was going through major personal issues and took some of his anger out on the Rookies.
@@Diabolico.666 hey at least this wasn’t when he was really out of control threatening Vince and pulling his pants down in front of everyone in the writers room😂😂
The Fire Pro Wrestling Rock Remix music playing at the beginning is totally boss.
Stuff like this pisses me off.
You could just as easily wrote this into a storyline of Kurt always being self conscious of this event and elevated his career as well as the rookies. Instead everyone has a stick up their ass because “it wasn’t done the way I expected”.
Sometimes in life and business role with it. “Own the meme”
Didn’t the Miz go through similar bullying back then as well despite his current success? I swear…A ton of wrestlers had a huge chip on their shoulders back in the Ruthless Aggression era, huh? Pretty much cutthroat. If you so much has BREATHE funny back then in a WWE locker room back in the early 2000’s, you’ll pay for it, in and out of the ring.
Yeah he got bullied as well.
Benoit was his issue.
@@erikaw7767 Wasn't just Benoit. Others bullied him as well. Wasn't just that incident with the chicken where Miz was kicked out of the locker room for months, till Undertaker let him back in.
Some chicken crumbs were left in either a ref's or another wrestler's bag and Miz was blamed for it. Benoit kicked him out the locker room and another wrestler had to let him back in.
@@labbaby189 Undertaker let him back in months later.
Kurt thought he could shoot grapple with anyone but Jiujitsu was just popping off that point. And you cant stop what you dont know. You could never do this today, every other guy is training now.
Bruce Pritchard probably can't sprint 3ft but wants to make people sprint up and down a damn ramp.
And Miz outlasted everyone.. clearly can't overlook this
who?
@@jamesmeppler6375 What is your problem?
Who?
Ah yes! More trolls because they’re jealous of miz’ fortune
Miz also had prior wrestling training. He had already been in the business for over a year before Tough Enough, wrestling against future WWE wrestlers like Chris Masters, Deuce/Sim Snuka, and Sylvester Terkay. UPW was practically an unofficial WWE developmental in the early 2000s.
It was angles on ignorance that got him and the situation he was in. It was not It was not Daniel Puder's fault 5:37
He didn't take kindly to the hazing so he defended himself and got black listed for it.
That 2005 Royal Rumble match where Puder was basically brutalized right out of the company was ridiculous. He didn’t deserve that.
Pro Rasslin'...One of the more backwards form of entertainment...
@@reallyretro Lmao he took some chops big deal
@@jackiemoon5906 One or two of those chops would make you run home to mommy and hide and cry under your race car bed for a week.
@@jackiemoon5906 Chris Benoit glazer
Completely ridiculous situation that never should've been allowed to happen.
Damn this was 20 years ago. I'm old
Nah time just goes by. You’re not special
@@Disxreet it ain't that serious moron
@@Disxreet ?
@@extremeking425 just another RUclips kid being an edgelord
Yes we are old 😅
I always thought this story really shows up how WWEs current narrative about “Cena slapping angle being unscripted” and him “stepping up and grabbing the brass ring” is just a load of BS.
Don't know what our boy is gonna say about this, but before watching I'll just say I would've done the same thing Puder did (if I could). Like, how's he supposed to know he's not supposed to do his best to win? Were they not supposed to try to win all the other challenges on the show? Why would he think he's supposed to stick to freestyle or folkstyle rules when the referee was counting to 3 in all the previous matches? The natural assumption at that point is that all grappling moves are fair game. Puder seems like a douche, but he did nothing wrong there.
if you're not told to win, YOU DON'T WIN......use your brain, if you don't have one ask your boss...you are apparently as much of a zombie as Puder is, in the brain department.
Kurt Angle has always had a screw loose.
how do you think he broke his neck? screw was missing at that point, so he barely noticed.
Tbf he was mire sane than puder
Jimmy Cordz did the right thing making that 3 count
I agree. I remember seeing this live. Daniel did nothing wrong. I think he was hazed at the rumble, but as a Marine, I can say that it seemed more like a right of passage than pure hazing. Everyone in a brotherhood type organization goes through this and how they handle it determines if their accepted. It's like making the new guy at work do all the shitty things for a bit to test his metal. After he does without bitching, they start to open up and before he knows it he is part of the crew.
I love Kurt Angle but this whole situation was hilarious. The way WWE punished Puder in the 2005 Royal Rumble by having Eddie Guerrero, Hardcore Holly and Chris Benoit pretty much team up on him and kick his ass was hilarious and messed up at the same time.
Oh no he got his chest slapped a few times. That situation is so over blown
@jackiemoon5906 yeah, Benoit surely did worse things? Holly stinks
It's not funny at all. That's why the business is changed now
@@jackiemoon5906 I don't know about you but whether it's planned or not, getting jumped is never fun.
@@stevengrvp You're right, when I first saw it, I laughed when I was younger but now? It's messed up.
I hadnt heard of this situation! Thanks for making this video!
In retrospect I think Puder got the treatment he recieved in WWE not just because he apparently broke locker-room etiquette or because of the incident talked about in this video, but also because the wrestlers at the time could've felt threatened by people with MMA background like Puder. Remember, when this happened MMA and UFC rose to prominence and established themselves as the "true tough-guys" in the entertainment industry while Wrestling was on another harsh decline after the boom brought in by the Attitude-Era fizzled out shortly after WM17.
Plus, many of the established guys who weren't just active in the WWE also could see what happened internationally like in Japan, where promotions like K1 etc. threatened to destroy the wrestling landscape which led to Inoki-ism etc.. Still remember interviews of some of the bigger wrestlers back then who actually voiced their concern about the business because of the rising popularity of MMA. Remember, it took generational mega talents like Cena and Tanahashi respectively to give their companies second lifes during that period and allow them to compete with UFC and MMA, which could explain why wrestlers, especially those who still had come into the business during the late territory era, might've had an issue with people like Puder just because of their origin as fighters.
Puder's incident with Kurt Angle happened before the first season of "The Ultimate Fighter" even premiered, so I don't think fear of a white-hot MMA was the issue here. Puder also only had one professional fight before this incident-- his MMA career didn't progress beyond that until after he was booted from the WWE the following year. Besides, things like catch wrestling (which many of the boys backstage were also trained in) had already been around for decades. Puder's hardly the first guy to slap on a snug armlock and stretch a guy in the middle of a match.
I think the real reason was that the hazing he and the rest of the "Tough Enough" cast was supposed to go through is seen as a rite of passage in the business regardless of how tough you are and refusal to go through it would be seen as unfair by the established guys and evidence of a problematic ego that's going to manifest itself in ugly ways later on down the line. Basically the same deal with almost every discipline case in the history of the business.
@@j.menapace625 Fair enough, I thought the first season of Ultimate Fighter had just wrapped up right before Tough Enough started, hence my assumption this could've fed into Puders treatment he recieved.
also, on the second part:
I find it so ironic that they might've thought that the hazzing was a rite of passage to make sure peoples egos don't get to big when, in reality, this entire nonsense basically gave us some of the biggest egomaniacs the business has ever seen.
Thanks for covering this.
LMAO at the opening
GET OUT OF MY LOCKER ROOM, NOW!! GET OUT!! 😂😂😂
Puder was too legit too quit
Ge was also too green
2:54 “One of the guys…” 😏
That's what I was thinking 😂 haha
Came to the comments for this
Nice insight, along with a refreshing perspective. Something people might overlook too, is the WWF/E had this attitude about seizing the moment, and that's what Puter did. Yeah, it's a shame there was never a proper story between the two.
I’m glad to hear this opinion from you. I’m pretty surprised with the amount of people who take Kurt’s side on this. He challenged the guy to a real fight and lost. Kurt could have tapped but his ego would never allow it.
He should have explained the rules, but he wanted to bully these guys and got what was coming to him. As a fan of all combat sports, this ordeal and the brawl for all really make some of these wrestlers look pathetic.
Kurt didn’t lose. He didn’t try to fight him. He thought it was a wrestling match and Puder did something that’s not permitted in a standard wrestling match. A guy with 1 MMA fight is not beating an Olympic gold medalist in a fight. Angle would have folded him like a lawn chair in an actual fight.
Man i 100% agree with you puder never did anything wrong it was Kurt's fault😅
Puder did a lot wrong. Quit glazing, little boy
@mihaimercenarul7467 bro it was angle's fault he shouldn't have chosen him vince warned him but he still went with his opinion and challenged him
I see a lot of you saying Angle lost to Puder? It wasn’t a fight, it was a wrestling match which Puder locked in a kimura which is illegal in a wrestling match. Had it been a real fight, Angle would have mopped the floor with him. A guy with 1 MMA fight is not beating an Olympic gold medalist who beat Brock Lesnar in a legit wrestling match. Lesnar couldn’t take him down a single time in 15 minutes.
Had it been a real fight? Then angle's arm would have been broken. It is obvious that angle can't legitimately fight. He is just an actor. Wrestling is not a sport, it is just entertainment.
@ You’re a retard. Angle is an Olympic gold medalist. He’s not losing a shoot fight to some guy with 1 MMA fight
@@marksantiago9841 Are you not aware of his amateur wrestling career?
Angle got himself into that situation . He has only himself to blame .
Nah not really
@mihaimercenarul7467 Vince told him NOT to call out Puder . Angle did anyway . Angle got himself into that situation .
Amateur wrestling does have submissions
17:55 No, he was in the ring with 3 bullies. Please stop downplaying things.
Womp womp
Thanks guys for posting this. Big push by the BIG show...
he was told not to pick Puder, he did it anyways and got embarrassed, then Puder got punished for it.
Puder said that he could've taken Chris, Eddie & Bob all at the same time had it be an actual fight...I'm sorry but there's no way you can convince me that's true
Haha what about one on one, any chance?
No way he could take em all at the same but one on one? Definitely
Amazong that the runner up the Miz is a former 2x Wwe champion. Plus all the other accolades. He was a runner up. Thats crazy.
Using UFC or Ultimate Fighting to describe all MMA back then was similar to using Band-Aid to describe all bandages. Hell, even some ppl in the early 90s said WWF to describe all wrestling.
It's still relatively the case today, especially in the Western world. Because if you look at the landscape back then, Pride FC was still running in 2005 in Japan, altough they would go out of business 2 years later.
In the UK we used to call anime manga, because the biggest anime company in the west was called manga.
Led to a lot of confusion.
@misterpinkandyellow74 I remember that company. They were distributing Japanese animation in France.
@@megamanxhunter your a 90s kid like me then? lol
@@misterpinkandyellow74 Yep.
Whenever id run into him after he left WWE he wasnt bitter, he always seemed happy
Daniel puder would destroy Eddie, benoit and holly in a real fight.
Kurt Angle would kick Daniels ass in UFC if the fight went to the mat
Well DAMN 😮😮😮 I wasn't expecting that kind of start to one of your videos 😂😂😂 really caught me off guard!!!
Why did big show push him out the locker room? Anyone?
Because his name started with P and ended with "uder" on a Friday.
There was no real reason. If you hate someone you can just make up any justification to lay it into them.
I enjoyed the video great stuff Wrestling Bios does it again
That was the miz getting back up after the slam. A full haired Ryback next to a young Miz also
You know something that is amazing and ironic and bizzare, it's that if you put all the wrestlers in a ring unscripted/ fight for all, a REAL fight/ match. The ones who will come out on top are mostly the ones that are either low card/ mid card guys.
Let that sink in.. Ofcorse you have some exceptions but mostly it's the ones who have never been champions or regarded highly by wwe
I kinda see it both ways - Puder didn't do himself any favors but veteran wrestlers should have known better giving the inexperience & the arrogance of youth that is sometimes commonplace. There were ways to manage this whole thing better without it escalating as it did but alas what's done is done. Kurt I love ya as a one of the greatest pro wrestlers in history but sadly this time you forgot one of your three I's in Intelligence.
The guy who didnt sell the body slam ended up becoming wwe champion and is still in the company to this day 😂
looked like a good sell to me...Mizz? It's not a finisher, did he expect it to knock them out? if they expected that, then it was clear that they were only using them as a way to make their wrestlers look good. Just like with all their invasion angles
Correction, he became one of the worst wwe champions with one of the worst wrestlemania main event matches of all time, becoming a third wheel since no one cared about him during the cena and the rock rivalry
I remember one of the original ideas was to give Nunzio/Little Guido some mentor role as he was trained by Billy Robinson and is quite versed in CACC (he actually wrestled the legendary Kazushi Sakuraba in the UWFi), but then they went back to Al Snow.
This doesn't paint WWE in a good light at all lol
It does. Shows it’s not for the weak
@@pleaseshutup7053 you never wrestled or fought boy shut up
@@pleaseshutup7053 it doesn’t paint them in a good light to normal people
@@happymoomoocow good we need less normal people involved in wrestling
@@pleaseshutup7053 Well you're not going to like the wrestling business of today. What happened here would never fly now.