How To Make A Simple Shunting / Switching Model Railway Layout Part Three - Operating Potential
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- How To Make A Simple Shunting / Switching Model Railway Layout Part Three - Operating Potential
Lots of locos and rolling stock running on my micro layout
Kato chassis:
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I love the running/shunting video, could watch this for absolutely hours. Long run videos would be great :)
We have a few trains running videos in our library
An idea I just had is that to leave one of the boxes open in the front. Then build a cardboard drawer to store you wagons and engines .
That's a really clever idea!
Great micro layout that can be adopted to any era or scale...love it
A great demo of the fun value in a tiny layout. There will be lots of young and not so young kids wanting to have a go. And they know how quick it was to build too. A winner all round and a nice first layout for anyone wanting to play trains in a prototypical way. Great stuff and Douglas does produce a better video than his Dad! lol! .........................John
Thanks John, I basically built it on a whim but it's been great fun.
Ps. Yes Douglas was keen to re assert his role as camera man and artistic director before I got ideas above my station!
A small country station at the end of a branch line doesn't require much space for a shunting layout.
Hi Ron, so I discovered. It's really worked quite well as an experiment.
That would be a great wee project for the long winter months.
Hi, thanks. It will keep me interested that's for sure. Thanks for your comment.
Hahaha love your honesty Douglas about your dad not being Hired ;)
No respect for his elders and betters . Lol!
great little locomotives,they run great on my metre square micro layout.jpj
Can you send me some pictures?
sometime maybe I don't have a camera or I phone to do it at the moment,sorry about that.jpj
What I like us that I can just plug it in and run trains. I've narrowed the rolling stock down to five or six items plus my three smoothest running 0-4-0 locos so it's simple and fun to run.
This is what it's all about , having fun !
Keeping it simple certainly seems to add to the fun.
I want to thank you folks. One of your videos y'all made about beginners and where to start.
I have about 2ft X 7ft of shelf space. But I also had nothing but a HO scale german beer wagon I brought back from Neu Ulm germany 33 years ago. Beyond that I had nothing.
I now have a ebay athern SW7 loco, a amazon motor controller , a kato left hand turnout and 6 peices of track. I built 2 buildings from cardboard. The first of the month ill buy another turnout. Yes kato is spendy, but its worth it for what i want to do .
I was thinking too big... the end presentation if you will.
Thank you.
Kevin.
Phoenix , AZ
Sounds epic, thats all you need a loco abdominal some track and a few turnouts and you have a layout, good luck with it and have fun
Thanks for watching, your layout sounds epic, good luck with it and have fun
Hi Mike and Douglas, Small layout lots of fun. Cheers John.
Hi John, sums it up nicely.
After watching this, I realized I'd have to make a longer layout than this because here in the States our rolling stock is longer. I don't recall even seeing US yard locos that are as short as the ones you're using. Shunting does look like I'd have a lot of fun with it, so I'm gonna start looking at building my own layout.
The smallest US shunted is slightly bigger than ours, the main problem is the box cars and wagons which appear to be much longer. It should still be possible to build a small ish shunting/ switching layout though, have fun with it
Now how much fun was that, great shunting variety. Congrats.
Hi Greg, thanks, I've been surprised out how much fun such a small layout can be.
Brilliant video and as a person that has been lucky enough to have done some shunting for real , this small layout is perfect , and I am in the process of 're starting my railway modelling again ,and your channel is great.and helping me with idears .
Great thanks, we have quite a few videos on shunting
Good luck with your model railway
Thank you 😊
@@BudgetModelRailways after work went to B@Q and got a off cut of MDF 6ft by just over 1ft , gong to have fun working on track plans over the next few days :)
@@ianstransporthistorystuff8175 sounds just right, my advice would be keep the track plan simple and use second hand set track and points
Hi Mike and Douglas what a great little layout, plenty to do so what more do you need. well done Dave
Many thanks
i think i may just have to make 2 of these for my grandsons maybe with a scenic section so they can share
Sounds a great idea, you could make it an end to end, or even put a fiddle yard in the middle,
Excellent set of 3 videos. Really inspirational and shows just how much you can get out of a small layout. Thanks so much for these. Really great channel too. Thanks to you both...love what you are doing...
Thanks David, appreciate your support.
Clever idea with the magnet on the lolly stick.
Thanks, we have another idea for uncoupling out in a video next Tuesday
@@BudgetModelRailways please add the link for this to any magnet size reply, thanks
Hi John, sorry this was a year ago so don't have a link, just search on eBay for small magnets, about 3-5mm. Ive gone back to using a bent paper clip taped to a wooden scuwer to be honest
Brilliant! Nice little shunting layout! Hours of fun! Great locos
Many thanks, Ive had great fun with it. I changed the troublesome point and it's much better now, only took me a couple of minutes to change as I used ballast mat.
My modest 4'x6' layout in the caravan that I live in during my retirement is large enough for two Hornby track mat ovals, second and third radius, slightly modified with a full straight at the ends allowing the use of second radius curves in the middle instead of first radius, which leads to a modest sized Inglenook shunting yard of three sidings using two points. This small Inglenook shunting yard provides plenty of shunting operations on a modest sized layout. This shunting yard is NEVER used as a fiddle yard, I store my locos and rolling stock in stackable plastic containers no larger than a desk's drawer using sponges at the bottom providing a nice pillow. As long as you handle the several plastic containers level the locos and rolling stock don't smash into each other. When we are young we started on our bedroom floor, graduated to a small bedroom table layout, then after we left home may have had a much larger garage, storage shed, or loft layout, but eventually after you sell your home and end up in your senior years in a caravan as It is small and easier to clean and maintain preferably near the sea, you end up with a table layout no larger than the 4'x6' layout you had as a child in your bedroom...
Thanks for that demo, really makes the Layout Interesting and shows what can be done. I have had a Thirteen year old that so far has made it to 34, Just don't know How:-)
Thanks. It's tough being 13 and knowing it all! Mind you I'm 53 and still think I'm right!
Wow, It really is amazing to see what can be done in a small space. I think I might build one of these, but with a full size steam loco for an extra challenge. I'll just have to lengthen the sidings because American freight cars are much longer than British ones.
US outline is a bit more challenging due to size, mind you it would still be smaller than most 'small' US layouts! Lol
@@BudgetModelRailways yes, i am thinking about adding it to the 5'x3.5' layout I am building- I will have a switch leading off the main board where I will eventually attach it.
Very fun looking tiny switching/shunting layout!! I really like the cardboard base, quite revolutionry, portable and lightweight.
It looks like a great idea for some train action, whilst sitting in my living room, when it's too hot for the main layout. I have a dilemma though..... being American, with a US-Based Freelance Railroad, I would either have to *double* the length for my much longer cars and locos - or go British!! ;-)
I've never bought British Trains before. However, with the short, 2 axle *coaches* and a short 0-4-0, I could build mine as you built yours, and do some switching games almost on my LAP, on my couch!!
I have an even smaller one built in a box, and I sat in the garden and played trains! If you can find a small loco (Mehano were in the US) and some short wagons then it's a possibility, I love freelance anyway.
Luvly! Thank-you!
I really love the concept of your layouts. Very inspiring.
Hi Bert , many thanks, glad you enjoy them.
Very interesting.much better I think than running trains around in circles
Hi Peter, it's more absorbing but equally sometimes I just like watching trains go round, the problem is space.
hello as a subscriber to your channel one thing i have learned is you dont need to go out and purchase everything new and with a bit of imagination its surprising what can be achieved and budget model railways have proved this ? i have just been watching one guy who is very enthusiastic as he continues to build his N gauge layout but the many bags of brand new items yet to be used did rather concern me as it must be costing him a fortune ? so i have suggested he watches budget model railways it will save him money plus he will enjoy the modelling as his lay out develops Paul
Thanks for watching and supporting, the hobby gets way to expensive way to quickly with many people
Great basic little layout. Giving me ideas to build something like that but using peco streamlined track ect. - Ben
If you can get them cheap, or have the budget as its only three points, it would work much better with newer points set track etc.
Im slovenian !!!!
Cut a strip of clear strong plastic about 1 cm wide and 3 cms long and bend inbetween sleepers for an automatic decoupler
I've tried it. It takes ages to get right and as not all wagons and locos have couplings of the same style or height it won't work on all of them so I gave up.
@@BudgetModelRailways worth a try keep videoing
It's a great idea, it's probably just me lol
GREAT VIDEO
Nice, Just needs a bit of weathering for full effect.
Neat layout!
Thanks
Good evening.
I'm currently having a real hard time trying to get a fiddle yard attached to this layout. (I purchased it from you when you put it on ebay.) Once I have a fiddle yard constructed for it I'll be sure to get some videos up of it.
To be honest I can't remember how I made mine, I think I used a similar piece of corrugated packaging. A suitable empty box might work ok
Thank you very much. I was going to raid the cardboard at work tomorrow to see if there was anything suitable to use in there. :)
nice one,great little layout.right about the bagnall a little gem.jpj
Many thanks. The 06 is almost as smooth as the Bagnall but it's still my favourite
Nice work. Thank you. I like 👍
Hi I love your vids
Thanks for watching
excellent looks great fun to operate might have a go at one myself thanks for the inspiration,
Thanks, I'm surprised how much fun it's been given how simple it is.
nice opp session thanks for sharing.
Thanks
If it was me, I just couldn't stand the pushing and shoving. You might as well dispense with the loco. My ideal is to stand back and operate it from a distance. I still don't think that's possible.
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO
Much more intresting than a loop
I like both, sometimes I want to shunt sometimes I want to watch trains go round
I had a 250x125 cm continous layout consumed a half room. Now Ihave a 310 X 55 cm shelf 3level shunt. It doestn disturb doestn require half room. It is the decoration of the room when illuminated. It is a part of nature in the room
How do you go about wiring this layout please.
very good skills on shunting much better than me
Thanks, it's taken a bit of practice, especially with points. A lot of it is having a really slow running loco and wagons that are compatible couplings wise.
oh ok
Hi Mark, we have subscribed to your channel, great to see the original Hornby locos and rolling stock in use.
ok thanks for watching my channel
Your welcome, if we Can help with advice on layouts or videos just ask, happy to help.
Great video and layout! Thank you for making sharing your work.
What's the book on rail operations you refer to at 7m40s? Seems like essential reading.
Thanks again!
It's called " Layout Designs for Operation " by Stephen Rabone and Trevor Ridley, published by Atlantic books , vol 3 of its model railway handbook series
I’m fascinated with this great compact shunting layout. I am a total novice, so if I were to attempt to set a similar one, roughly how many points would be needed & do I need short curves also could it all be run with one controller?
Hi, you would need three points and a R606 short curve plus some straights, second hand points will keep the cost down. One controller and only one power feed will be all you need. Any questions just ask happy to help
Space is so tight I might make this in T gauge!
I''ll have to look for a mehano controller off ebay, great as always. I highly suggest going to Carendt.com if you've not already which has plenty of small layouts like this and a few budget ideas here and there but mostly switching layouts and concepts for fun operation.
Either of the Mehano controllers seems to work well, I gave three. Will take a look at that sight, thanks.
You're welcome, the best articles in my opinion are from about 10 to 125, before the owner passed away, the site is still updated with new scrapbooks every couple months but are not as good as those from the mid 2000's.
The magnetic decoupler is a poor idea compared to the original Triang R.160 hand decoupler, which goes under the couplings and lifts the strikers removing the need to actually handle the rolling stock.
Easy to make with a piece of plastic sheet glued to a handle and set at a 30 degree angle.
The Hornby Railways GWR Shunter's Wagon came with a miniature hand decoupler though the original R.160 works better as it has a weighted handle end so it can be placed under the strikers with the couplings in tension, the loco pushes the couplings together and the decoupler tool pops the hooks and the wagons can be pulled apart.
A lot simpler and less fiddly than the magnetic hand decoupler.
The originals are like hens teath! The magnetic coupler is not really that fiddly and works really well, although I will have a go at making one like you suggest
i'm trying to build a same style of layout with marklin tracks and running marklin loco's on it
The rail bus is fab! Brilliant idea indeed. The only thing I don't like about Lima locos is that they are not smooth starters. I have three and they're all the same. Anyone else have the same trouble?
Hi John, thanks. I find they need extra weight and really clean wheels to start well if that helps.
I'll bear that in mind and give it a try, thankyou for the tip.
If they are the shunter like in my last video then the gearing is a bit high and even with a good controller they jump a bit.
Yes an 08, and a steeple cab loco. I've converted the latter to run on the catenary (and switch to half-wave rectification if I remember in time) which makes them a lot smoother, if slightly noisier. (I can't find the third loco atm)
Very impressed you got the cantanary working, if you would like to send us some pics and we will put them in a newsletter. I've had two Lima 08 and both are pretty poor.
What a great little layout, I'm tempted to build one like it myself. I'm curious how this layout is wired up, I'm guessing the power feed is at the platform end?
You could put in wherever you like as there is only one loco at a time, my power feed is actually just under the tunnel mouth.
I see, so these points don't set the route for the power like Peco set track ones, everything is powered no matter which way the points are set?
In theory they should not transfer the power but as I only run one loco at a time it does not really matter. I can isolate the goods yard if I want to hold a loco there while I run the Railbus in.
Hi guys, what's goin on??
We haven't heard anything for awhile now.
Douglas I was just checking ta see if Ur Old Man was in the Surgery, an on the ventilator. LOL!!!
New video out Tommorow, we've been on holiday
Hi iam philip and iam trying to make my own layout like yours but bit different can you let me no how to do it ive bn with train layouts for a long time now and me and my girlfriend like your layout.
Hi Philip. Best advice is to first decide where it is going to go and then design as simple a layout as possible. Loads of videos on my channel showing how to do most things. Any questions just ask
Hi Philip here is it ok for me to use roofing felt black on my layout what me and my girlfriend are doing let me know.as we like your train layout.but let me know if it is ok to use roofing felt
please put a link in for where you buy the trees
i love the videos
Go on eBay and put model railways into the search. If you hunt through the listings there should be several from various Chinese suppliers. Look for the auction listings not the buy it now, although they are still cheap.
Great layout how did you make the station platform
10mm thick corrugated card packaging with brick paper on the tops and sides and white printer paper with lines drawn in for the edging
why not put a decoupler piece of track in ?
I don't get on with them, they fix you to one place and with such a variety of coupling hieghts and types are in reliable. I am quite happy with the hand of God lol
@@BudgetModelRailways Yes indeed.
I'm very young and I'm building my first model railway with some help
That's great. Douglas was only nine when we started model railways, and he had a go and doing most things with my help. Mind you I didn't know how to do things so we both learnt as we went along. We have lots of videos on how to make model railways that might help. Good luck and why not send us some pics of your layout.
What’s the length and width of the layout?
Sorry it got sold years ago so I'm not sure, I usually say in the narration
Which size magnet for tge uncoupler do you use, please?
Thanks!
Nice video... don't like the music...I'm trying to listen to you...
We did stop using music after a while. Perhaps look at some of the newer ones?
Nice. But I do not like to see your changing the points by " hand of God". Have you considered the possibility to remotely operate the points with a piece of wire or something similar, with the control button on the front panel? Of course, no use of electric motors which would be contrary to the cheap modelling concept. Years ago, I transformed a couple of cheap plastic signals to operate them without touching the signal itself. I just fixed a piece of wire that was linked to the moving part, going down under the surface of the layout and connected to another wire crossing to the front pannel with a piece of cork as "button". I guess the same could be done with the moving part of the points.
Keep up the good work.
Philippe
This is a great track plan! How could I be able to run 2 locos? Do you think connecting a link wire between the tunnel/power source would give power to the siding?
Hi, thanks. The siding is powered so no problem. You could add a bay platform as well. Are you using DC or DCC
Budget Model Railways Planning on using DC.
That will simplify it then
Budget Model Railways Another thing, where's the power source located?
On the entry track , using contacts soldered to fish plates
Hi! Great fun video. I have a question regarding the Mahano controller. Is it available new or just secondhand? What sort of price can I expect to pay? Take care...
Ive bought mine second hand usually for between £5-£10 , I believe you can buy them new but they are about three times that. If buying second hand some will come with a continental plug so you would need an adapter as well. We have two excellent controllers from a company called AGW, they are old but very good and both were bought second hand, the single for £10 and the double for £20, Hooe this helps
Thank you for your quick response regarding train controllers. Your information is just the thing to help me and it's always good to know what prices may be for secondhand. Take care...
Happy to help
what are the base board dimensions?
Approx 6in X 3ft, I've sold it now so can't measure to check, sorry
i found a picture of this layout online and after some editing made quite a nice looking picture of it. if i find a way and you are OK with it i will post it on images
Please do,many thanks, you could send it to us via our website
I´ve actually made loads more whilst in quarantine. perhaps I could make a book on your layouts as if they all linked together to form an actual railway (the BMR) and do them in black and white as photos
Sounds great thanks
Nice. But if you were using North American equipment, it would probably have to be at least twice as long! :)
How long and wide is the layout? Because I would like to make something like this. Also I subscribed!
Hi, thanks for subscribing . It's 7 inches by 3ft, ideally a couple of inches wider would give you a bit more scenic area and possibly room for a small bay platform which would give you a bit more operating potential.
Budget Model Railways thank you!
Just one more question, what pieces of track are needed to make it? (This is the last question).
Can you please tell me it would help me a lot.
Please tell me. It would help a lot!
Also worth looking at an inglenook puzzle. Two points, eight wagons, and 6720 possible combinations. www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/Inglenook/inglenook-trackplan.html
Many thanks for the suggestion.
Hang on, you cheated with the brake van at 2 to 3 minutes.
What are the baseboards made of ?
Cardboard, there was an earlier video showing me making it
I can understand why you don't build a more complicated layout. God wouldn't have enough hands to operate it.
Do you mind if I use your idea with n gauge as I have made the base board useing your method of cardboard dog food boxes demsions 6ins x30 ins ps base board so quick and easy to make
Hi. Glad we could give you some inspiration. Fell free to use any ideas and methods you want
As it appears my 'murican to english translator isnt working, I need to ask... a magnet on a what?
Some type of stick I believe
Did you know that steel to steel ( steel wheels and steel track touching) has very little friction ? Fun facts from the model railway noob