The layout shows the utility of having long head shunts and at least one storage (spare siding) track. It’s like that game with 15 numbers on small plastic squares with one open area to allow the numbered squares to be slid into position. Open/available spaces are good. I’m not very knowledgeable about all things railroad ...... however, I get the impression that British wagons may be on average shorter than American rolling stock. All that to say that when designing layouts it’s good to allow enough space to allow the wagons that are used to sit comfortably without blocking track access for another consist. This presentation demonstrated that concept. And yes, test locos and wagons and their combinations. I’m still learning what pieces of equipment are best for a specific layout. Thanks, Mark
Until I found your videos I never even considered having a layout just for shunting. This layout also brought to mind the town of Eureka Springs, Arkansas. It had a spur off of a main line that ended on the north end of the town. The only thing left is the spur. Very pretty small station made of stone, and there's a now abandoned ice house that the spur connected with. When I start building my own shunting layout, I might model it similar to that. Also there's a long abandoned spur that goes from my city to a little town called Chadwick, Missouri that used to service a mill down there, so I might incorporate that as well to give another industry. Thanks for the great video!
Glad we could help. Shunting is rewarding in itself and does allow you to at least run some locos and rolling stock in a small space. Those locations sound fascinating
A potential Minories-style classical layout plan : everything you need in a tiny space, with few requirements and lots of possibilities. I've chosen it for my first one !
Great video as usual, Mike. I'm almost finished wiring my shunting layout, and it was down to your videos that I even returned to the hobby. Before seeing your videos the cost put me right off. You continue to show the railway modelling world that layouts can be made within tight budgets, so thank you for continuing to post great videos like this. . Soon I'll be back working on my daughter's trainset, so there will be some much more colourful pics on my Insta over the next few months. Hopefully some more fairy house and gardens too. . Thanks again for sharing.
Glad we could help and inspire, the hobby can be pompous, elitist and expensive, we do our best to show a different way. Cant wait to see your layouts, especially your daughters
As you said we all have a preference for shunting. When I was building my North End Sidings layout's actual sidings I purposefully chose to not include any run arounds. Which mean I could use two locos to pilot between each other various stock consists. Moving stabled stock, oil tanks for refueling etc all good fun. Keep the videos up mate!
Very nice little shunting layout Mike. I think this might be the cutest you've ever built, it's so English with all the poster boards, the small canopied station and even a hint of undulating landscape at the rear - I really love it! Rgds, Joachim
Watching now and I have empathy with you regarding the loco hesitation and and wagons jumping over points. I have just about finished laying track, still looking for two left hand points which are difficult to find second hand here in Toronto. The odd older Triang Sleeper coach will de rail and I don’t know what caused it. Also have acrake of grain tanks and some of them jump over points. Could you do a video on this topic? Another thing is the controller, I too have the same one you have and find sometimes when I try to slow a train down it tends to speed up. Any ideas on that? Thanks and keep up the great work
For the points you can use underfloor pushrods instead of point motors. That will save you the effort of rebuilding the platforms. The problem with the newer style couplers might be the return springs. These will try to keep the coupler straight when no force is applied to keep them in a reasonably straight line.
Fantastic update Mike! Really enjoyed seeing a good shunting session and getting to understand more about actually moving stock around the layout. The canopy looks really good. Well the whole layout looks really good. There are loads of things you must get asked to do videos for, but of course it’s having the spare time to do so. Hope you’re all staying safe and well. I sent you a message on twitter re some European locos. I don’t know if you saw that
Fun to watch again! 😊❤ [You are easing my stress as I help my spouse through her cardiac-hospital stay today. (Just wanted you to know that your videos do more good than you might imagine.)]
A really nice and thorough shunting demo, shows the potential of a well thought out plan. The kick back siding really is a space saver, just modified my plans to add one as works better for me too - thanks for the unintentional prompt - you never stop learning! thanks Stephen
It looks great i really like the wall at the back which slopes down.Well done for showing us all the fiddly bits! When it didnt go to plan etc.A lot of wagons are just to light to be pushed back and work better with a bit of weight added.My Budget Model Railway controllers are still working great after two years of using them.I wonder how many people made them in the end?
@@BudgetModelRailways Im not surprised they do work very well,miles better than those poxy Hornby efforts,i also have a Gaugemaster controller i love it but these work just as well in my book :)
Pinking shears/craft scissors eh ! what ever next !!! Can't believe that I have a pair of my mums sat in a drawer and didn't know what to do with them . . . I do now !!! excellent idea. I have a large layout but with only a small engine yard to park up the odd engine. Having watched your vids on this theme I've now decided that I will be extending the width of my layout another 12" wide x 6' long and create a shunting yard. I have only ever used peco electrofrogs which require power switches as well as point motors. I've just bought a GWR train pack, new and un-used, of eBay that you mentioned on your harbour side vids as it seemed well geared for crawling. I hope this is as good as yours is. I never thought I'd be interested in 'shunting' as it's termed but I've only watched a few of your vids tonight and I feel like I've been missing out. Question . . do you think that using peco insulfrogs (smaller than Hornby) would be best for shunting rather than electrofrogs and all the extra power switching. The reason I ask is because if I use insulfrogs will this stop other trains in other siding from moving. I was thinking that if I had a long siding I cut effectively power it in 2 stages where only the front train would move leaving the rear train stationery and move that one later by powering up the 2nd part of the line. I too have a problem with maintaining long term interest in things so I have to work around it . . . 'It needs to be complex and done now'. I know you'll understand where I'm coming from. Have to say I'll be watching more of your vids for sure. Cheers for the inspiration. xx
Hi, many thanks for watching and commenting. I always use small Peco insulfrog points for DC shunting as they transfer the power reliably and remove the need for isolated sections etc
@@BudgetModelRailways Hi, thanks for the response on which points to use. I think I'll go with the peco insulfrogs as it'll be less of a headache if I forget to switch power to the right sections which could frustrate me. Cheers.
Hi, just enjoyed watching the video again. Your great videos have stirred up the 'inner child' in me and I am re discovering the joys of model railways, Thank you!!!
Due to space limitations my plan has always been to have a shunting layout. However, I really haven't known what to do for a track plan. Whilst I have been inspired by your earlier shunting layouts (it was the £35 layout that got my juices flowing for a layout in the first place) this is the track plan for me. Thanks, Mike, I think this will be perfect for my space and for my train running pleasure. Now the winter isn't too far away, I think it will soon be time to get building. I was undecided, also, whether to ballast or use mat. I have decided to ballast. I have also spent the past couple of years collecting all the bits and pieces that I need from bootsales, table sales, Facebook and Ebay and now I have no excuse not to get started, as I probably have enough track alone for a few layouts lol.
Another good video mate ! ☺ That canopy was a great idea, really simple! And that wee demo did illustrate just how much you can do with that formation! 👍 Nice to see that 4F again too. Great choice 😎
Hi, you have obviously really thought about your track plan and operational potential before plunging in and putting track and scenery down. My first layout is a similar size to yours and lives on top of a wardrobe (I mainly do n gauge and US n scale these days due to having very limited space). Watching your layout and how much fun you are obviously having with it is making me want to get it down and have an operating session with it 😛. The track plan is not as sensible as yours but it was meant to be a module in a larger layout that, for various reasons, never got added to (but never say never). Please keep posting videos to keep us informed of your progress, best wishes 🇬🇧 🚆
To be fair I built a lot of shunting layouts, probably ten or twelve basically practicing skills and track plans, so this one went down quite quickly. Have fun with yours and thanks for watching and commenting
Hi Mike & Douglas 😎👋 Many thanks for your video.. Always great to see a good running session. Great to see homemade uncoupler, I use a cocktail stirrer. Have a great weekend guys and look forward to seeing your next project(s)/video 😊👍
Thanks, we have steam trains running on my shed layout running video just uploaded which you might enjoy. Thanks for watching and commenting, Happy New Year.
The hand of a _gentle & jolly_ god make good-work of the wagons, passengers & parcels of the _whimsy-way_ of rails & town. All Aboard! Sit back, relax & watch The Budget Model Railways of the _imaginative & resourceful_ Father & Son pair! 😊💜 🇬🇧 🚂🚃🚃🚃 🇬🇧 🚃🚃🚃🚂 🇬🇧
I'm interested in making a shunting layout, but I also love watching my trains go round. Could you do a combo of a run round layout & a shunting one like that? Not something I've really seen before, but I really like the look of this layout!
You can have a look at this layout: ruclips.net/video/nITB3NzGLR4/видео.html&feature=emb_title A shunting puzzle designed to be used both as a separate unit and as part of a larger modular layout. With an Arduino for driving and sound
@@BudgetModelRailways yeah that's not a bad shout, though that's the problem; having enough room. Might try & have a go though, plan a shunting layout like that inside a 1st or 2nd radius loop...
Liked the seeing an 0-6-0 tender on one of your smaller shunting layouts. I also like the way you read up on railways and factor that into the operations!
I wouldn't worry about video length; I don't have a model railway, so like looking at those of others, particularly when working shunts and so on. Nice layout; may think of copying it one day.
That's a nice little layout you've built there. I know from experience that mixing wagons with different sized couplings can be a recipe for hours of frustration. My solution was to only use wagons with large D couplings. Happily the used market is awash such wagons :) Most of mine are Triang/Hornby but I've also found that Airfix, Dapol and Lima wagons play well with them. I avoid ANYTHING by Bachmann. If you've got a wagon which keeps derailing and it has plastic couplings then check carefully to see if there's any moulding flash which might cause problems. It the couplings are metal the check that they're at the right height. After that I'd look at changing the wheels if they're plastic. Finally a bit of extra weight might help although sorting out the couplings and wheels usually does the trick. ATB Paula
Brilliant video , my small model railway is a shunting layout and I've been lucky to have done real shunting with a class 10( Blackstone diesel engine ) version of a class 08 and once shunted a class 33/ 73 and with Queen Mary brake van, to move a steam loco for coaling up.and also some trip goods workings too , and found I like shunting more than just going up and down the line with a passanger service, keep up the good work .
@@BudgetModelRailways it was , can't do it anymore due to heath now and at 52 my eye sight not as great lol , but great fun getting to drive a diesel loco regularly a few years ago and one that a rare bread too as only a handful of class 10s left and I think only 2 still run now ? Also got to drive a class 37 too .when this horrible virsa thing is over you should both come to the spa valley railway am sure I can get you both a cab ride in one of the diesels?
That would be great thanks. We had a lovely day on the spa valley a few years ago. I had my cab ride on the lavender line some years ago as I used to know a couple of people there. Take care
@@BudgetModelRailways that's ok :) I rember one night on one of the diesel galas , a mate was driving the class 26 and I was on the rear with a class25 and the class 26 was failing , and we had a heavy train of mark 1s , so as my driver was on the radio and dead man's pedal and i on the power handle , so i put it on full power and I still can hear and see the noise from the 6 cyl Sulzer engine and sparks from the engine exhaust , was like the old times going up the bank at Manchester miles platting , just pure magic, and some people think diesels don't have character! Lol also done some steam and it's not Romatic I can tell you that from experience! Lol.
Different tension locks can be a nightmare. It might be worth changing them to a uniform type. Dapol do various types in packets of 20 which you can often get for around a tenner, so not too expensive to change a good number of wagons etc.
hi, great video, i use my old triang brake vans which are small, shunting the Birds Custard wagons around with a triang dock shunter ,then a triang class 31 picks them up for the journey to the shops,, i agree you do not have to spend a lot of money on locos and wagons. most wagons i have cost less than six pounds each. locos around twenty five pounds !
OK, you didn't loose me. Just found you. Very nice switching (sorry shunting.) Question: I am from the US and still don't really understand the use of brake car (sorry wagon.) In the US the locomotive provide the air power to all the cars (sorry wagons.) Like someone mentioned, yes the hobby can be costly, but hey, that is the price of fun.
Well, a caboose doesn't provide braking power. It is a place for the conductor at the time to allow checking for "hot boxes"(journals). As time move on, trains became longer and it became impossible to check bearing from the back of the train. Technology allowed the use of remote control "hot boxes" automatically from the track side with radio communication in the cab. The "journal" that use grease and packing was replaced by wheel bearing witch are more reliable. So the combination of those elements made the caboose obsolete. It is now replaced by an automatic device the check the air pressure and is fitted with a flash red light. Of course all of those apply to freight trains only.@@BudgetModelRailways
The layout you have build would work really nicely with some 'remotely' switchable points. I found a fairly easy method for achieving this. Get a small, long metal rod and run it through a small channel cut into the baseboard. Alternatively, you could have a layer of cardboard or something to elevate the track and leave gaps for the rod. On one end, connect the rod to the point slider, and the other end (which should be sticking out from the side of the mechanism) put a small handle like thing, perhaps a cork or something. This mechanism works well and doesn't impact the look of most layouts as real points are operated in ways similar to this IRL. It can look especially good if you have all the rods running into the bottom of a signal box.
I have seen that method. If am honest I am quite happy using my finger. Cutting a channel into the baseboard, thick ply, would be pretty tricky and as I don't plan layouts, they evolve, I wouldn't know in advance what buildings and scenery would need adapting. I have used this method in the loft layout though
@@BudgetModelRailways Fair enough. I tend to put a softer layer of material over my baseboards, which is why I am able to use this method. At the end of the day though, people all have different ways of modelling and there is no 'absolutely correct' way to do it. It is best to just model in a way that you find best.
This modeled an end of line station and town, if this plan would be in the middle of a rail line what track would be the through track, the one close to the station? Also using this plan, if you were to add a turntable and engine facility, how would you do it? personally I like the plan a lot. It could very well fill a problem area on my next layout.
Thank you so much, for another excellent, thought-provoking video. I like the track plan and possibilities for shunting very much. I believe that I will build it, here in beautiful East Texas. Thanks for the inspiration!
Actually, it will be a British outline layout. I am enamored of the charming locos and rolling stock that do not look like my North American outline trains. That said, if I build a hybrid scene, I may be able to run both North American and British outline equipment. I’ll keep you posted. Cheers, John
@@johngondol8940 sounds great, are you able to get UK outline locos and rolling stock ok? I guess one advantage is they are smaller especially the goods wagons, which make it easier on a small shunting layout
Well, I certainly can’t go to my local hobby shop to purchase them. Actually, bricks and mortar shops have pretty much dried up in the States. I pretty much have to do my shopping online. The days of going into a well-stocked shop and walking up and down the aisles, looking for neat items to add to my layout are pretty much gone. I do most of my shopping on eBay and with a couple trusted online retailers. Once in a while I find some British outline items on US eBay, but purchase most of my items from Hatton’s, Rails of Sheffield, and Kernow Model Rail Center, as well as eBay UK. My perception is that the Railway hobby is much stronger in the UK than the US, at present. Sad but true. John
Love it! And yes I watched all of it 😉 great little layout, could get very busy with goods and passenger trains in at the same time. Make a really good exhibition layout. Question though, where is the power connected to? On the entry and then some into the kick back siding?
Great video with an interesting shunting layout. Just one suggestion :- the line where the man is standing on the platform could be a small wagon longer. My only disappointment was you did not show your Fiddle Yard. Cheers Greg.....PS Short videos are the way to go. Anything over 15 minutes I watch in two parts or whatever is required.
If there are 2 boogie coaches in the bay platform then you could have a small tank engine that can also still fit in the bay platform and still let other locos go by
Just took it to 1K likes :) I've been looking for ideas to help design an operationally interesting shunting yard for my lad's layout and this video has been invaluable in understanding head shunts and the way traffic moves. Thanks!
Just found this one, really like this layout and will be using the design for one of my own - one question, what radius points are you using? Keep it up, I've watched most of your videos and really like your approach
I'm sorry but this layout is long gone, it should be possible to work out points from watching the video. There were only two power feeds, one on the entry and one for the kick back sidings at the end of the head shunt. Power is switched and isolated via the points
Sorry the layout got sold a long while ago, I don't draw track plans as I tend to just play with track until I get what I want. There are a few videos on this layout and I think the first one shows the plan quite well if that helps? I also use whatever track I have including stuff no longer available so it would be impossible to do a track list. Sorry
Can you remind me where the power was run for this Mike. Was it just the usual two wires or did one on the sidings need an additional feed? Is there an isolator?
Wow didn’t know those mixed trains lasted that long in the UK. There were very few examples of mixed trains here in the US up until recent times. One example was one run on the Georgia Railroad up until the early 1980’s that had a passenger coach on the end of a freight and it only lasted that long because of some state regulation or tax break they got from the state for running a mixed train. The Burlington Northern ran a mixed train up until the early 1970’s down the Deschutes River Canyon in Oregon that was popular with fishermen and hunters because of certain areas that were only accessible by rail.
New to the hobby and a novice, so please excuse me if my question is a bit simple! Is this a DCC or DC layout please? And, if DC, where have you put the power inputs, please? Any help appreciated, thanks.
Hi. It's DC it's much simpler. This layout is long gone, but only had two or three connections, I will have mentioned it in one of the videos, and we have several videos on wiring DC which should help. Best advice to anyone new is keep it simple. Any questions please ask
Hi me and my girlfriend are doing my own railway layout in 00 scale but I want to make a country road and grass let me no how I can do this although I've been doing train layouts for years now I still get a bit stuck.let me no
Hi, fantastic videos as always, just wondering have you made a video of your coupling/decoupling device? If not how Did you make it? Happy shunting 🚂 lol
Great video, just a question but, what Is that that white poled handover thing on the middle line inbeween the cattle and crane? Im new to the train modeling world and ive got one and its doin my absolute heading because i don't know what it is or what its for
Its called a water crane, its too re fill steam locos water supply. They were filled from water tanks that could be a distance away, so are great for a small layout. Mine needs to be a bit further down the track to be realistic
@@warpriest561 , ahhhh. Ok that's a loading gauge, they put them after goods yards to make sure the loaded wagons were not too high or wide for any bridges or tunnels on the line
Hi iam philip and iam doing my own layout like yours in n scaleand I like your layout me and my girlfriend are doing my own railway layout .what do you use to do the road hill let me no
Love the video as always 😁👍 is there a track plan for this layout as when building my new layout in the loft would like to encorpararete this in it ? keep up the good work 👍
Think I’m one of those who would happily watch for an hour
Thanks
Me too
@@paulbrennan3760 me three
Hear! Hear!
Me Four, I think?
The layout shows the utility of having long head shunts and at least one storage (spare siding) track. It’s like that game with 15 numbers on small plastic squares with one open area to allow the numbered squares to be slid into position. Open/available spaces are good.
I’m not very knowledgeable about all things railroad ...... however, I get the impression that British wagons may be on average shorter than American rolling stock. All that to say that when designing layouts it’s good to allow enough space to allow the wagons that are used to sit comfortably without blocking track access for another consist. This presentation demonstrated that concept.
And yes, test locos and wagons and their combinations. I’m still learning what pieces of equipment are best for a specific layout.
Thanks, Mark
Thanks for the comment, yes prior to the 1980,s ish UK wagons were mostly very much shorter
Great thank you, I will have a look and try and make one lol
I did make it to the end, and there's nothing so relaxing as watching someone else do all the work!
Lol, thanks
I swear when ever you guys upload a video I go upstairs to fiddle with my layout 😂. Thanks
Oh, I’m running both down and up the stairs ..... I keep having ah ha moments. 😊
@Yeet Man Trains my layout is in my room, it's a tiny shunting layout
@@alexthewoo same
Is that a euphemism?
Until I found your videos I never even considered having a layout just for shunting. This layout also brought to mind the town of Eureka Springs, Arkansas. It had a spur off of a main line that ended on the north end of the town. The only thing left is the spur. Very pretty small station made of stone, and there's a now abandoned ice house that the spur connected with. When I start building my own shunting layout, I might model it similar to that. Also there's a long abandoned spur that goes from my city to a little town called Chadwick, Missouri that used to service a mill down there, so I might incorporate that as well to give another industry.
Thanks for the great video!
Glad we could help. Shunting is rewarding in itself and does allow you to at least run some locos and rolling stock in a small space. Those locations sound fascinating
Sounds a great basis for a layout, especially like the sound of the ice house
A potential Minories-style classical layout plan : everything you need in a tiny space, with few requirements and lots of possibilities. I've chosen it for my first one !
Great video as usual, Mike. I'm almost finished wiring my shunting layout, and it was down to your videos that I even returned to the hobby. Before seeing your videos the cost put me right off. You continue to show the railway modelling world that layouts can be made within tight budgets, so thank you for continuing to post great videos like this.
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Soon I'll be back working on my daughter's trainset, so there will be some much more colourful pics on my Insta over the next few months. Hopefully some more fairy house and gardens too.
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Thanks again for sharing.
Glad we could help and inspire, the hobby can be pompous, elitist and expensive, we do our best to show a different way. Cant wait to see your layouts, especially your daughters
The layout looks great and looks like it has endless shunting possibilities for its size.
I'm watching a few British layout videos for an HO switching layout I have planned for the future. I'm getting a lot of great ideas.
Let us know how you get on, have fun
Great to watch, glad it is not just me where the rolling stock misbehaves as soon as you press `record`
Its the gremlins!
As you said we all have a preference for shunting.
When I was building my North End Sidings layout's actual sidings I purposefully chose to not include any run arounds.
Which mean I could use two locos to pilot between each other various stock consists.
Moving stabled stock, oil tanks for refueling etc all good fun.
Keep the videos up mate!
Even for a budget model railway you've got the shunting operations spot on for such a small space, brilliant! 👌
Thanks
Very nice little shunting layout Mike. I think this might be the cutest you've ever built, it's so English with all the poster boards, the small canopied station and even a hint of undulating landscape at the rear - I really love it! Rgds, Joachim
Thanks thats very kind
Watching now and I have empathy with you regarding the loco hesitation and and wagons jumping over points.
I have just about finished laying track, still looking for two left hand points which are difficult to find second hand here in Toronto. The odd older Triang Sleeper coach will de rail and I don’t know what caused it. Also have acrake of grain tanks and some of them jump over points.
Could you do a video on this topic?
Another thing is the controller, I too have the same one you have and find sometimes when I try to slow a train down it tends to speed up. Any ideas on that?
Thanks and keep up the great work
For the points you can use underfloor pushrods instead of point motors. That will save you the effort of rebuilding the platforms.
The problem with the newer style couplers might be the return springs. These will try to keep the coupler straight when no force is applied to keep them in a reasonably straight line.
Fantastic update Mike! Really enjoyed seeing a good shunting session and getting to understand more about actually moving stock around the layout. The canopy looks really good. Well the whole layout looks really good. There are loads of things you must get asked to do videos for, but of course it’s having the spare time to do so. Hope you’re all staying safe and well. I sent you a message on twitter re some European locos. I don’t know if you saw that
Fun to watch again! 😊❤
[You are easing my stress as I help my spouse through her cardiac-hospital stay today. (Just wanted you to know that your videos do more good than you might imagine.)]
So glad we could help, and good luck to your spouse hope it all goes ok
Impressive shunting (switching in the USA) layout. I may have to build a similar layout myself.
Thanks for watching
Nice work ! I found it was good to see freight movements rather than round & round the mulberry bush!
very cool I'm new to small diorama/layout shunting and i made it till the end for all its hesitations, thanks
A really nice and thorough shunting demo, shows the potential of a well thought out plan. The kick back siding really is a space saver, just modified my plans to add one as works better for me too - thanks for the unintentional prompt - you never stop learning! thanks Stephen
Glad we could help
It looks great i really like the wall at the back which slopes down.Well done for showing us all the fiddly bits! When it didnt go to plan etc.A lot of wagons are just to light to be pushed back and work better with a bit of weight added.My Budget Model Railway controllers are still working great after two years of using them.I wonder how many people made them in the end?
We have sold 500+ so far, 9 so far this week, so there are a lot out there!
@@BudgetModelRailways Im not surprised they do work very well,miles better than those poxy Hornby efforts,i also have a Gaugemaster controller i love it but these work just as well in my book :)
Pinking shears/craft scissors eh ! what ever next !!! Can't believe that I have a pair of my mums sat in a drawer and didn't know what to do with them . . . I do now !!! excellent idea. I have a large layout but with only a small engine yard to park up the odd engine. Having watched your vids on this theme I've now decided that I will be extending the width of my layout another 12" wide x 6' long and create a shunting yard. I have only ever used peco electrofrogs which require power switches as well as point motors. I've just bought a GWR train pack, new and un-used, of eBay that you mentioned on your harbour side vids as it seemed well geared for crawling. I hope this is as good as yours is. I never thought I'd be interested in 'shunting' as it's termed but I've only watched a few of your vids tonight and I feel like I've been missing out.
Question . . do you think that using peco insulfrogs (smaller than Hornby) would be best for shunting rather than electrofrogs and all the extra power switching. The reason I ask is because if I use insulfrogs will this stop other trains in other siding from moving. I was thinking that if I had a long siding I cut effectively power it in 2 stages where only the front train would move leaving the rear train stationery and move that one later by powering up the 2nd part of the line.
I too have a problem with maintaining long term interest in things so I have to work around it . . . 'It needs to be complex and done now'. I know you'll understand where I'm coming from. Have to say I'll be watching more of your vids for sure. Cheers for the inspiration. xx
Hi, many thanks for watching and commenting. I always use small Peco insulfrog points for DC shunting as they transfer the power reliably and remove the need for isolated sections etc
Ps, but you wouldn't be able to have two trains on the same long siding unless you put an isolated section in
@@BudgetModelRailways Hi, thanks for the response on which points to use. I think I'll go with the peco insulfrogs as it'll be less of a headache if I forget to switch power to the right sections which could frustrate me. Cheers.
You've really made that layout come to life, Mike!
Thanks
Hi, just enjoyed watching the video again. Your great videos have stirred up the 'inner child' in me and I am re discovering the joys of model railways, Thank you!!!
Glad we could help and thanks for your support
Due to space limitations my plan has always been to have a shunting layout. However, I really haven't known what to do for a track plan. Whilst I have been inspired by your earlier shunting layouts (it was the £35 layout that got my juices flowing for a layout in the first place) this is the track plan for me. Thanks, Mike, I think this will be perfect for my space and for my train running pleasure. Now the winter isn't too far away, I think it will soon be time to get building. I was undecided, also, whether to ballast or use mat. I have decided to ballast. I have also spent the past couple of years collecting all the bits and pieces that I need from bootsales, table sales, Facebook and Ebay and now I have no excuse not to get started, as I probably have enough track alone for a few layouts lol.
Sounds great , have fun with it and let us know how you get on
Good to see the operating potential of the layout. Great video.
Andrew
Thanks
Another good video mate ! ☺ That canopy was a great idea, really simple! And that wee demo did illustrate just how much you can do with that formation! 👍 Nice to see that 4F again too. Great choice 😎
Hi, you have obviously really thought about your track plan and operational potential before plunging in and putting track and scenery down. My first layout is a similar size to yours and lives on top of a wardrobe (I mainly do n gauge and US n scale these days due to having very limited space). Watching your layout and how much fun you are obviously having with it is making me want to get it down and have an operating session with it 😛. The track plan is not as sensible as yours but it was meant to be a module in a larger layout that, for various reasons, never got added to (but never say never). Please keep posting videos to keep us informed of your progress, best wishes 🇬🇧 🚆
To be fair I built a lot of shunting layouts, probably ten or twelve basically practicing skills and track plans, so this one went down quite quickly. Have fun with yours and thanks for watching and commenting
Excellent shunting layout. Work well for an Inglenook puzzle shunting game.
Love that shunting demo. Always great to watch despite the minor errors and hiccups 👍👍👍🚂🚂🚂
I like my videos to be true to life and not too over produced , glad you like them thanks for watching
Hi Mike & Douglas 😎👋
Many thanks for your video.. Always great to see a good running session.
Great to see homemade uncoupler, I use a cocktail stirrer.
Have a great weekend guys and look forward to seeing your next project(s)/video 😊👍
Thanks Dan, a bent paper clip works fine lol. Thanks for watching and commenting
I, for one, could sit and watch this shunting all day. Great video sir👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks, we have steam trains running on my shed layout running video just uploaded which you might enjoy. Thanks for watching and commenting, Happy New Year.
Like this layout. Would keep me entertained for hours. Nice one.
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Thanks as always
I've done several shunting puzzle videos and yours is way more popular! So well done, nice to see what can be done in a small space
Very kind thanks
I'm interested in making a shunting layout, but I also love watching my trains go round. Could you do a combo of a run round layout & a shunting one like that? Not something I've really seen before, but I really like the look of this layout!
I like both too. If you had enough room it would be quite easy to have both, picture this layout as part of a loop
You can have a look at this layout: ruclips.net/video/nITB3NzGLR4/видео.html&feature=emb_title A shunting puzzle designed to be used both as a separate unit and as part of a larger modular layout. With an Arduino for driving and sound
@@BudgetModelRailways yeah that's not a bad shout, though that's the problem; having enough room. Might try & have a go though, plan a shunting layout like that inside a 1st or 2nd radius loop...
Exactly, it should work nicely as a through station
Matty P shunting layouts are a great way of unwinding. Mine is based on the inglenook shunting game, with the ultra reliable little Ruston shunter.
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Liked the seeing an 0-6-0 tender on one of your smaller shunting layouts.
I also like the way you read up on railways and factor that into the operations!
Thanks I have 4-4-0 tender loco that runs really well as well
Thanks for showing the shunting, really helped with seeing how it all works. I wonder how big this would be in N scale.
A quarter of the size in theory
Hurrah! Thank-you!
Both/all three.
Ps, is your uncoupler simply a bent paper clip, or i it magnetised in some way?
Just a simple bent paper clip!
I wouldn't worry about video length; I don't have a model railway, so like looking at those of others, particularly when working shunts and so on. Nice layout; may think of copying it one day.
Thanks
I always watch your videos to the end lol
Thats great thanks
That's a nice little layout you've built there. I know from experience that mixing wagons with different sized couplings can be a recipe for hours of frustration. My solution was to only use wagons with large D couplings. Happily the used market is awash such wagons :) Most of mine are Triang/Hornby but I've also found that Airfix, Dapol and Lima wagons play well with them. I avoid ANYTHING by Bachmann. If you've got a wagon which keeps derailing and it has plastic couplings then check carefully to see if there's any moulding flash which might cause problems. It the couplings are metal the check that they're at the right height. After that I'd look at changing the wheels if they're plastic. Finally a bit of extra weight might help although sorting out the couplings and wheels usually does the trick. ATB Paula
Hi Paula, all good advice thanks. I also prefer the older larger coupkings
Hi Paula, all good advice thanks. I also prefer the large couplings , less realistic but a lot more reliable!
Loved the video to the end
I love simplicity
And doing things for your self not relying on an electrical component to do it for you
Thanks
Brilliant video , my small model railway is a shunting layout and I've been lucky to have done real shunting with a class 10( Blackstone diesel engine ) version of a class 08 and once shunted a class 33/ 73 and with Queen Mary brake van, to move a steam loco for coaling up.and also some trip goods workings too , and found I like shunting more than just going up and down the line with a passanger service, keep up the good work .
That must have been great! The nearest I got was a short ride in a class 07
@@BudgetModelRailways it was , can't do it anymore due to heath now and at 52 my eye sight not as great lol , but great fun getting to drive a diesel loco regularly a few years ago and one that a rare bread too as only a handful of class 10s left and I think only 2 still run now ? Also got to drive a class 37 too .when this horrible virsa thing is over you should both come to the spa valley railway am sure I can get you both a cab ride in one of the diesels?
That would be great thanks. We had a lovely day on the spa valley a few years ago. I had my cab ride on the lavender line some years ago as I used to know a couple of people there. Take care
@@BudgetModelRailways that's ok :) I rember one night on one of the diesel galas , a mate was driving the class 26 and I was on the rear with a class25 and the class 26 was failing , and we had a heavy train of mark 1s , so as my driver was on the radio and dead man's pedal and i on the power handle , so i put it on full power and I still can hear and see the noise from the 6 cyl Sulzer engine and sparks from the engine exhaust , was like the old times going up the bank at Manchester miles platting , just pure magic, and some people think diesels don't have character! Lol also done some steam and it's not Romatic I can tell you that from experience! Lol.
Different tension locks can be a nightmare. It might be worth changing them to a uniform type. Dapol do various types in packets of 20 which you can often get for around a tenner, so not too expensive to change a good number of wagons etc.
hi, great video, i use my old triang brake vans which are small, shunting the Birds Custard wagons around with a triang dock shunter ,then a triang class 31 picks them up for the journey to the shops,, i agree you do not have to spend a lot of money on locos and wagons. most wagons i have cost less than six pounds each. locos around twenty five pounds !
Sounds great fun, those are the sort of prices I aim for now too
it's amazing how may operations you can do in such a small space. Cheers John
OK, you didn't loose me. Just found you. Very nice switching (sorry shunting.) Question: I am from the US and still don't really understand the use of brake car (sorry wagon.) In the US the locomotive provide the air power to all the cars (sorry wagons.) Like someone mentioned, yes the hobby can be costly, but hey, that is the price of fun.
It's similar I believe to what you call a caboose?
Well, a caboose doesn't provide braking power. It is a place for the conductor at the time to allow checking for "hot boxes"(journals). As time move on, trains became longer and it became impossible to check bearing from the back of the train. Technology allowed the use of remote control "hot boxes" automatically from the track side with radio communication in the cab. The "journal" that use grease and packing was replaced by wheel bearing witch are more reliable. So the combination of those elements made the caboose obsolete. It is now replaced by an automatic device the check the air pressure and is fitted with a flash red light. Of course all of those apply to freight trains only.@@BudgetModelRailways
I think a lot of us would watch an hours shunting video tbf 😅 its quite therapeutic to watch 😀
The layout you have build would work really nicely with some 'remotely' switchable points.
I found a fairly easy method for achieving this.
Get a small, long metal rod and run it through a small channel cut into the baseboard. Alternatively, you could have a layer of cardboard or something to elevate the track and leave gaps for the rod.
On one end, connect the rod to the point slider, and the other end (which should be sticking out from the side of the mechanism) put a small handle like thing, perhaps a cork or something.
This mechanism works well and doesn't impact the look of most layouts as real points are operated in ways similar to this IRL.
It can look especially good if you have all the rods running into the bottom of a signal box.
I have seen that method. If am honest I am quite happy using my finger. Cutting a channel into the baseboard, thick ply, would be pretty tricky and as I don't plan layouts, they evolve, I wouldn't know in advance what buildings and scenery would need adapting. I have used this method in the loft layout though
@@BudgetModelRailways Fair enough. I tend to put a softer layer of material over my baseboards, which is why I am able to use this method.
At the end of the day though, people all have different ways of modelling and there is no 'absolutely correct' way to do it. It is best to just model in a way that you find best.
I think its a good system with lots of advantages as you say
Ive seen that method used before its a very clever but easy way of changing points.
Great use of space! That looks fun!
Thanks
Hi, love your videos whatever the length, I don't find them boring. Have you thought of having magnets for uncoupling
Thanks, I've looked at most systems, but prefer to keep it simple
Pinking shears, what a brilliant idea!
Quick and simple!
This modeled an end of line station and town, if this plan would be in the middle of a rail line what track would be the through track, the one close to the station? Also using this plan, if you were to add a turntable and engine facility, how would you do it? personally I like the plan a lot. It could very well fill a problem area on my next layout.
Yes the through line would be the line by the platform. An engine shed turntable etc would need a longer board and another point to fit in
Thank you so much, for another excellent, thought-provoking video. I like the track plan and possibilities for shunting very much. I believe that I will build it, here in beautiful East Texas. Thanks for the inspiration!
Thanks for watching and commenting, it will be interesting to see what it looks like as a US outline layout. All the best to the lone star state
Actually, it will be a British outline layout. I am enamored of the charming locos and rolling stock that do not look like my North American outline trains. That said, if I build a hybrid scene, I may be able to run both North American and British outline equipment. I’ll keep you posted.
Cheers,
John
@@johngondol8940 sounds great, are you able to get UK outline locos and rolling stock ok? I guess one advantage is they are smaller especially the goods wagons, which make it easier on a small shunting layout
Well, I certainly can’t go to my local hobby shop to purchase them. Actually, bricks and mortar shops have pretty much dried up in the States. I pretty much have to do my shopping online. The days of going into a well-stocked shop and walking up and down the aisles, looking for neat items to add to my layout are pretty much gone. I do most of my shopping on eBay and with a couple trusted online retailers. Once in a while I find some British outline items on US eBay, but purchase most of my items from Hatton’s, Rails of Sheffield, and Kernow Model Rail Center, as well as eBay UK. My perception is that the Railway hobby is much stronger in the UK than the US, at present. Sad but true.
John
All fair comments, sadly, try Classic Rail for good second hand items, really trustworthy guy , ships to the US and has a good website,
Excellent video! You know trains always wait until there's company to misbehave...
Lol
That looked really fun, and a video on looking at coupling comparability would be most helpful..
...another superb video! thanks for the inspiration, just wondered if the old Peco 'Elsie' couplings would make the shunting easier? 👌
Thanks, the Hornby ones seem to work OK at the moment
Love it! And yes I watched all of it 😉 great little layout, could get very busy with goods and passenger trains in at the same time. Make a really good exhibition layout.
Question though, where is the power connected to? On the entry and then some into the kick back siding?
The entry and the end of the head shunt for the kickback siding. Hopefully we will all be able to exhibit again son?!
@@BudgetModelRailways fingers crossed 🤞🏻 I'm sure they will be very busy when we are and they will be full of layouts named Covid or Corona im sure
As i was watching this it made me suddenly want to make a shunting layout. Really good video.
Thanks, you should
Great video with an interesting shunting layout. Just one suggestion :- the line where the man is standing on the platform could be a small wagon longer. My only disappointment was you did not show your Fiddle Yard.
Cheers Greg.....PS Short videos are the way to go. Anything over 15 minutes I watch in two parts or whatever is required.
Hi Greg, I will show the fiddle yard next time
If there are 2 boogie coaches in the bay platform then you could have a small tank engine that can also still fit in the bay platform and still let other locos go by
Exactly
Just took it to 1K likes :) I've been looking for ideas to help design an operationally interesting shunting yard for my lad's layout and this video has been invaluable in understanding head shunts and the way traffic moves. Thanks!
Thanks, glad we could help, any questions please ask
It's not the length but the quality of the contents that matters and yours are excellent.
Thats very kind thanks
Just found this one, really like this layout and will be using the design for one of my own - one question, what radius points are you using? Keep it up, I've watched most of your videos and really like your approach
Thanks, I always use standard short points, preferably peco insulfrog if I can
very enjoyable to watch..btw...,very nice sentiment about your dad, in the previous video....My dad too,got me into the hobby.....Ade
Thats what dads are for, among other things. Lol
I'd watch an hour of train movements on that layout...
Thats kind thanks, maybe one day
I did, I pressed pause without noticing, that last train was a hell of a long time coming. :)
Lol
Lovely layout what size req in o gauge without the backscene thanks in advance.
Hi, it would be over 4 times bigger in O gauge
Having watched this quite a few times, I wonder is there a de-coupling piece of track?
No careful editing lol
Enjoyed the whole video on your favourite shunting layout. How many points are required & how many power links are needed to run all round please?
I'm sorry but this layout is long gone, it should be possible to work out points from watching the video. There were only two power feeds, one on the entry and one for the kick back sidings at the end of the head shunt. Power is switched and isolated via the points
Hello I like your arrangement with the layout you have, please do you have a track plan I could download?
Sorry the layout got sold a long while ago, I don't draw track plans as I tend to just play with track until I get what I want. There are a few videos on this layout and I think the first one shows the plan quite well if that helps? I also use whatever track I have including stuff no longer available so it would be impossible to do a track list. Sorry
Can you remind me where the power was run for this Mike. Was it just the usual two wires or did one on the sidings need an additional feed? Is there an isolator?
Yes additional power feed with an on off switch to isolate it
When did BR run mixed goods and passenger trains up until?
Was it up until the infamous Dr. Beeching cuts of the early 1960's?
Actually in limited numbers right up to the late 70s. I have even seen a picture of br blue grey coaches with goods wagons.
Wow didn’t know those mixed trains lasted that long in the UK. There were very few examples of mixed trains here in the US up until recent times. One example was one run on the Georgia Railroad up until the early 1980’s that had a passenger coach on the end of a freight and it only lasted that long because of some state regulation or tax break they got from the state for running a mixed train. The Burlington Northern ran a mixed train up until the early 1970’s down the Deschutes River Canyon in Oregon that was popular with fishermen and hunters because of certain areas that were only accessible by rail.
Great info thanks
Would you find shunting easier with Bachmann trucks? Couplers being different ?
Your coupling and uncoupling seems to have improved no end. It must be all the practice you’re getting, lol.
Very good looking plan here Mike. What did you use for a baseboard?
An off cut of 20mm ply from a skip
As always, inspiring hoping my attempt will be a functional and eventually as tidy.
Thanks, have fun with your layout
I stayed to the end and Laurent a lot about shunting 👍👍✌️
That's good thanks
wow a lot of opperating potential for what is such a small layout how is your N gauge layout comming along?
On hold at the moment, too many projects too little time!
Hi Mike you talk about installing point motors. If you do, could you make it a tutorial Tuesday possibly please 😁
Of course, no worries
New to the hobby and a novice, so please excuse me if my question is a bit simple! Is this a DCC or DC layout please? And, if DC, where have you put the power inputs, please? Any help appreciated, thanks.
Hi. It's DC it's much simpler. This layout is long gone, but only had two or three connections, I will have mentioned it in one of the videos, and we have several videos on wiring DC which should help. Best advice to anyone new is keep it simple. Any questions please ask
@@BudgetModelRailways Thanks
Good job, and good job on reaching you subscriber goal -- and then some. Merry Christmas! --dunc
Thanks happy Christmas
Been waiting for a video of this layout in action. Superb work as always :)
Many thanks
Hi me and my girlfriend are doing my own railway layout in 00 scale but I want to make a country road and grass let me no how I can do this although I've been doing train layouts for years now I still get a bit stuck.let me no
Hi, fantastic videos as always, just wondering have you made a video of your coupling/decoupling device? If not how Did you make it? Happy shunting 🚂 lol
Yes there is a video showing how it was made using a mini torch!
Brill, thank you, I will Have a look and try and make one for my layout. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Really nice layout - wish I waited and seen yours before doing mine! By the way where did the red coal truck come from?
Its taken me about nine plus shunting layouts to get it right for my needs! The truck is a Base Toys model bought second hand from classic rail
Well thought out layout.Great.
Thanks
Great video, just a question but, what Is that that white poled handover thing on the middle line inbeween the cattle and crane? Im new to the train modeling world and ive got one and its doin my absolute heading because i don't know what it is or what its for
Its called a water crane, its too re fill steam locos water supply. They were filled from water tanks that could be a distance away, so are great for a small layout. Mine needs to be a bit further down the track to be realistic
@@BudgetModelRailways cheers
Actually bud we got the wrong end of the stick its got a arc over track line too... Sorry
@@warpriest561 , ahhhh. Ok that's a loading gauge, they put them after goods yards to make sure the loaded wagons were not too high or wide for any bridges or tunnels on the line
@@BudgetModelRailways ooohhh cheers buddy! Makes sence now hehe, keep safe, keep up the good work 👍
I have being looking at your website for a while now and see lots of updates on the work you do but hardly any actual work been done, why is that
Pinking shears and ball pen-- looks good 👍
I should have said its cereal packet card, thanks
Thank you and a lovely layout you have.
Thanks
I love the shunting please do more it’s interesting
Thanks, I have another planned
beautiful layout! even though its on a budget!
Thanks
@@BudgetModelRailways i always ballast is needed on a layout, shows it doesn't need ballast some layouts
Hi iam philip and iam doing my own layout like yours in n scaleand I like your layout me and my girlfriend are doing my own railway layout .what do you use to do the road hill let me no
Hi philip here again can you let me no how you did your road hill
Is it ok to have manual points (Insulfrog) on a layout you intend to bring to a show/exhibition?
We have exhibited three layouts with manual points. It will depend on what the organisers want
I really like your videos! However I've realised you use insulfrog points.
As I use electrofrog I presume you videos are no help me, in wiring 🤔?
@@kittapscott4168 thanks, sadly that's correct
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Love the video as always 😁👍 is there a track plan for this layout as when building my new layout in the loft would like to encorpararete this in it ? keep up the good work 👍
Its in the first video if that helps
I’ve always wondered about BMR track plans. I tend to stop their videos and grab a pencil and sheet of paper and draw what I see.
I do try and film and explain and it will depend on how big your board is
Where would you suggest the best place to pick up good deals on oo 4 wheel coaches or wagons is at the moment please Mike?
Give classic rail a ring, although not on his website he usually has loads of them and his prices are good
Hi Paul, have replied to your eBay message, OK to everything
Budget Model Railways thanks Mike. Looks like I have a new shunting layout to play with 😁
Yep, great thanks. I will look you out some wagons. Mike