This has probably been noted somewhere below but I just had to... You'll notice the knockoff "6Ah" ran about the same as the genuine 4Ah... That's because the knockoff 6Ah only has 4Ah worth of cells in it hahah. If those are indeed 2000mAh cells as they're labeled, then 10 of them would yield 4000mAh (4Ah) at 18V which agrees with your observed runtimes. You'll notice this result is similar to the 4Ah genuine pack as well. I'll bet that if you open up the 4Ah knockoff pack you'll find the cells do not add up to what's printed on that label as well. You'll also notice that the size of the knockoff 6Ah pack is about the same as the genuine 4Ah, again because they have the same size and qty of cells in them. I have seen some decent (not awesome, but decent) knockoff packs out there, but these are clearly a scam. Thanks for sharing. Just FYI the HP or HD or whatever it is on the 6Ah Ryobi pack indicates that the cells are capable of producing more current for heavy load applications, but the total capacity is the same and in a relatively low draw application like this it will perform the same as a non HP version.
I was just going to same thing about the "6mah" knockoffs lol. Which if you take that into account when purchasing them, as long as you don't need the HP feature your still probably making out better with knockoff.
Even if you're not desperate do you have to take into consideration the price difference.. in my opinion 3 for the price of one is nice because you can have them all charged and ready as needed and or use them for multiple tools
Yes I have many of these for light work, drill, lights but they suck for circular saw and grinder. For the price it is nice to always have several charged batteries though.
I have had "Batteries Plus" rebuild a couple of those type batteries for me, they told me they all contain sub par batteries originally, they assured me the batteries they rebuild them with would be more impressive, 4 years later, the rebuilds have better performance and runtime than new ones from the manufacturer. Just thought I'd share.
If you could count, you would have realized that the 6ah knock off had 2 sets of 2ah cells in series, making 4ah. If you compare the 6ah knock off (which is actually rated at 4ah based on the cells) to the 4ah genuine battery, the runtime is identical and still a better deal to get the knock off. So what if the ratings are off, just get the larger knock off and its still far cheaper than the 4ah genuine. They just slapped a 6ah label on it to make them sell.
Also it's obvious the cells he is trying to read are clearly Samsung 18650 batteries, he just doesn't recognize them because he's probably either never seen them or just doesn't know how to read either
I guess the knockoffs are good to use in low to modest drain usage. The weedeater or the drill might be good for them. For a high draw tool like my yard blower, it would be frustrating to change that battery more than needed. I guess both have a place.
Most likely the "18050" number from the orange batteries is actually "18650", which is the cell that is used in all of our power tools, laptop batteries, vapes, etc. The "20R" number means 2 amp hours or 2000 mah and there were 3 rows of 5 cells. 5 cells make up an 18v or 20v (same exact battery packs believe it or not) battery pack. 3 rows of 5 two amp hour batteries = six amp hours. So if you see an 18 or 20v battery pack that is not very tall, but is say 3000 mah, it has 5 cells and each one is 3000 mah. A 5000 mah short battery pack has 5 cells that are 5000 mah each, etc. A medium height battery pack that's 3000 mah would have 10 cells (2 rows of 5) that are 1500 mah each. Hope this helps!
Do the math. Name brand , $140 with a run time of 2.5 hours. Knock off, $35, with 1.5 hour run time. . You can buy 4 knock offs which would be 6 hours of run time with a simple change out. most people don't need that much run time. so buy 2 knocks off. and pocket $70 and still get three hours of run time.
I don't enjoy math, but if you like to do it go ahead. JUST KIDDIN, I got the KO, when I didn't have much money 20 bucks is a big difference when your broke!!!!
the ryobi knock offs aren’t bad at all. just lower your expectations I got the 6 amp hr battery’s as the equivalent to the OE ryobi 4 amp hr battery’s. picked up 4 of them for 120$ out the door on e bay 6 months ago they get used daily and so far they are holding up good. and they have about 20% more to give then the OE 4 amp hr battery’s. 👍
Yes but if what he says in the video is right you would have to buy 2 knock offs to get the runtime as one genuine .The original battery's are way over priced
Right now Ryobi Days has two 4ah batteries for $99 and you get a free tool. One of the free tools you can get is 2 more batteries so $99 for 4. Hard to buy knockoffs when you can get OEM for $25 a battery for 4ah.
The massive difference is because the capacity they are claiming is wrong that 6ah that you dissected is actually only 4ah if those 10 cells are 2000mah
I guess you and i are the ONLY ones to see this .... Nobody else in this chat can SEE that battery is NOT a 6ah LOL ... its CLEARLY a 4ah battery with a mis-label of 6ah ... And the guy making this video is BLIND
@@ACommenterOnRUclips when you see the size of 4 and 6 no brand, its quite the same. So you couldn t have 4 more cells in it... 18650 usualy got 2000 mAh.
My takeaway: if you want the $140 6ah HP battery, you can save $60 by buying two knock-off "6ah" batteries and getting about the same combined capacity. Or if you are considering the common 2-pack of genuine 4ah batteries, getting two of the generic 6ah could save you $20. The knock-offs are labeled incorrectly (the stated ah is a lie), but they aren't priced badly considering their actual ah per dollar. This doesn't consider Ryobi's obviously better warranty and replacement service. Now I'm curious to see inside other no-name brands.
Running me doing another battery comparison video here probably within the next month I have some Milwaukee knockoffs and I have some Makita knockoffs as well going to be reviewing
18650 can be anything... since it is simply the format of the cells (like AA and AAA): 18mm diameter - 65mm length All manufacturers of Li Ion cells (Samsung, Panasonic, but also cheap knockoffs) offer this format. The new format in the most recent high-capacity LiIon-batteries is 21700 - which you guess is is 21mm diameter 70mm length
Take a look at the formula for peukert's number. It will give you some detail about battery discharge rates so you can better understand the difference in these batteries. Essentially there is a modifier on how a battery discharges depending on the voltage being drawn. This does apply to Li-Ion on a scale of 1:1.09 Also the HP batteries are more likely to be constructed of 90% efficient materials vs the knockoffs at 80% (or less). 18650 is a description of the battery. 18mm in diameter, 65mm in length. About the size of a AA with 2.5x the voltage. Perfect for powerering LEDs @3.3v±10%. If you were to run 2x 2Ah 18650 3.7v in series (pos butted up against neg) and complete the circuit, the resulting power would be 7.4v 2Ah. If you were to run them parallel (split the wire and run to each seperately, then feed from pos on each back to a single line) the resulting voltage would be 3.7v 4Ah. This essentially creates a larger tank to draw energy from. To achieve 18v they run 5x 18650s in series. Given the batteries ryobi uses are 1.3Ah, 1 series gives us the 1.3Ah pack. If another series is run in parallel with the first we get 2.6Ah or "2.5Ah" pack, 3 series in parallel @3.9Ah or "4Ah" etc. You can find another good read about cell efficiency below. Keep in mind electric/hybrid vehicle batteries are just a great deal of 18650s crammed into a casing. www.researchgate.net/publication/231169804_Rechargeable_Energy_Storage_Systems_for_Plug-in_Hybrid_Electric_Vehicles-Assessment_of_Electrical_Characteristics. I plan on ordering the knockoffs tomorrow. If i dont have 3 series in parallel ill be returning it to the 2 day delivery web store and giving a poor review. Otherwise Ill make due with the less efficient cells until it comes time to dump the old cells and upgrade them to new more efficient cells. Thanks for the video. It really did help.
Nearly all 18V Li batteries use standard 18650 Li batteries. The difference in run time or AH is the quality of each 18650 battery as each brand will have a different mAH rating. 18650 batteries operate at 3.7V, so 5x3.7= 18.5V.
Had pair of Vanon. Would not charge. Got replacements. They didn't charge either. Got a refund. Then was offered a further "refund" to change my bad review!
Thanks for posting this. I came across it after I already bought some knockoffs that look exactly like what you are reviewing. I got 4 of the "6Ah" for $108. If they last as long as genuine 4Ah, I'm a happy camper. Love my Ryobi tools, but can't keep dropping crazy money on batteries.
Nice video. The other thing about the knock-offs is that they expire much faster than the OEM's. After as little as two or three cycles they stop being able to take a full charge. In my experience, they become pretty much useless in a very short while. I returned the four I bought to Amazon.
The worst lifespan I ever had from a lithium battery was one Ryobi (out of 4 I bought at the same time) that stopped taking a charge after a few months. I use both OEM and knockoffs. My experience is that a 6Ah knockoff = a 4Ah OEM battery and that (if I don't count that one Ryobi lemon battery) the average OEM might take a few more recharge cycles but the difference doesn't appear to be much. Bottom line, knockoffs have been a better value for me.
@@noyopacific My two original Ryobi batteries both stopped charging after a disappointing small number of charges. Meanwhile my three third party batteries are still going. The oldest one is over 5 years old at this point. (Disclosure: I'm not a heavy user, which makes it even stranger the OEM batteries died).
Hey, thanks for doing the work so we don't have to!! I'm sure it's been said already, but just in case I figured Id step in an be a know it all lol. The numbers on those cells "18650" is the diameter and length of the battery, so you would pronounce it "eighteen - six fifty". Some of the newer batteries use larger cells which preform better because they allow a higher amp draw. Thanks again for the content.
While calling these thing Chnese-iam, remember that the genuine Ryobi battery is also made in China. You get what you paid for. Don't expect a $30 aftermarket battery can be as good as a $99 one.
I remember watching a video of someone looking at a cheap powerbank and when he took it apart to test the cells some didn't have any power at all. Turns out half the cells were just tubes filled with sand to give them weight. I wonder if that's the case with these no name batteries you have.
I used to have that spotlight, and boy did it eat batteries. I got the new model and gave the old model away to my brother in law. I got the little energup batteries and I couldn't be happier with them.
Yeah I have never had any issues with the light or any of the batteries I really like it. The new LED is a little bit lighter but other than that they're pretty similar oh and also has the dual power which I like
Your "6AH" knock-offs are only 6AH on the outside label. I can see by the video that they are 5 pairs of cells, so that each pair of cells is in parallel. Just from that, the capacity is 2x2Ahr, which makes 4A-hr, assuming the samsung cells are really what they claim. That is the same configuration as the Ryobi pack, but I don't know what cells they are. Also, your load is not a heavy load, which would favor cells that don't handle high loads very well.
This also explains why the batteries cost so much. Those are basically vape mod batteries. Normal price is $20 for 2 and the 6Ah battery has 10 18650's in it. Obviously better batteries cost more, but without the other components that make them work with the tools, that's already $100. I feel like all my complaints about battery cost just got shot down. Those are Samsung 18650 batteries. Wrap number is different than number on the inside. Inside number is normally the part number for the tube that houses the internals of the battery. Also, not suppposed to take the batteries out like that so there would be no point in adding cost to rewrap the 18650's.
China can make very good products, the problem with Chinese factories is they will make you exactly what you ask for. So the same factory could make you $100 batteries that beat OEM spec or $10 ones with recycled nicads inside and Li-ion written on the front.
These tests are really useful, but for me the true test is how many duty cycles the battery can manage before its performance starts to fail. Obviously this will take time. It may turn out that the genuine batteries work out cheaper in the long run for a heavy user like a pro who thrashes them every day.
That is very true, I have had mine for about 9 months and it has to be close to a 100 charge cysles on it, and it still works good. I use my Ryobi light in the babys room as a night light so i let it run all night and then charge the next day, so I am running it a lot..
have 6 knock-offs, 2 are 6 years old, just got thru cutting a 10" I-Beam with my 15 year old Ryobi Recip Saw w/ a new 6AH battery. Got the last 2 6AH for 40 bucks.
regardless of true amperage my question is whether those batteries can supply large volumes of current when needed. Or does it have safeties when using high loads
Well I can answer that. It depends on the tool!! In my ryobi melt down video the old impact kept going an was able to melt down all the way till the very end. The new impact shut off around 170 degree, as for the new hammer drill it will shut off if it senses to much torque,witch is stupid!!!
The 18650 in the battery numbering code means it is a lithium-ion rechargeable battery of a particular size with a nominal 3.7 Volt output and typically comes rated at between 2500 ma to 4000 ma, depending on the specs for the particular battery. Amazon sells a variety of these, and if you take a look at what is available, it is possible that some may have a higher capacity. After much trial and error, I now wait for the big sales and then buy my Ryobi tools and Ryobi batteries directly from HD, which is the cheapest way - please note that many HD stores don’t stock all Ryobi items, but you can save a wasted trip to HD by selecting and buying what you want on line and typically getting 2 day FedEx shipping to your home or shop for free. Returns can be made to the local HD, with a receipt.
qwsxcde0988 I'm no battery expert, but I do report what is advertised. Here is a link to some 5800 ma 18650 batteries made by Lightbole and sold on Amazon. www.amazon.com/Lightbole-Universal-Smart-Battery-Charger/dp/B07SGJX8QR/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=18650+4000ma+battery&qid=1560619464&s=gateway&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&smid=A39COE92XLNS4P. Each battery is clearly marked 5800 ma. Make your own decision as to whether or not they are fake.
2000 ma batteries are on the low side. I believe 1500 ma is as low as they go. The higher the amp hour, the longer the battery lasts. Looked at changing the cells in a battery once, but if you're not buying in bulk, it's cheaper (and easier) to buy a knockoff.
Please consider doing a followup video. It’s been many years and these knockoffs are still available but honestly I don’t see the value since you can get 4AH batterie at 2-$40 during Ryobi days.
What it really shows is that there is zero regulation on battery amp hour ratings. If they're listed at 4 ah the ryobi and the knock off would run almost identical times.
I like Ryobi tools, I have dropped my drill off a ladder several times, still works ! Same co. as Milwaukee,& Ridgid. I will be ordering a few of those knockoff batteries soon.
Are they still workin well? Seen a lot of people say they work.....for the first couple months then won't recharge or only hold charge for 5mins of a task I don't think they use the high discharge cells, that should be used, in these knockoffs. You could get one that last a week or one that last a year
I love Ryobi ! I grabbed the 2 pack of 4ah batterys for 79.00 so I bought a couple. Thats ten bucks per amp hour. I Found the 9ah for 74.00 apiece when you buy four so I so I picked those up too. I wouldn't want to bother with those and this confirms it. Thanks for doing this for us.
Yes they had some good deals this holiday season, I picked up the two pack 4ah, with the 6ap battery and charger for 119. I really like all there lights and specialty tools like there Fan and wet dry vac..
Just a caution on the knock off. Mine has an insulator on the battery terminals on the side where the batteries are not connected across each other so the metal release spring cant short them out. The other side isn't an issue as the spring sits adjacent across a set of batteries.
You took apart a 6Ah, but it has 2 rows of 5 cells at 3.7v and 2000 mAh. That totals up to a 4Ah battery at 18v, not a 6Ah battery. That explains the runtime deficiency. Can you take apart the 4ah or 6ah ryobi to see what those cells are?
@@Impact-OG In these 18v/20v packs, the cells are about 3.7v (4.0v max without load), so you put five in series to get the required 18v. Then to add runtime (Ah), you put multiple of those 5 cell rows in parallel. I am betting if you opened the ryobi 4ah you would find the same as what you found in the knock off 6Ah. That sucks, since I was looking to get some of these knock offs because of the decent reviews and price. But if you compare the knock off '6Ah' to the real 4Ah the price isn't that different.
That is so false advertising. The 6AH is actually only 4Ah if you do the design maths. They lied about the capacity. The running time for their supposedly 6AH is similar to the real Ryobi 4Ah, which confirms this. The other issue is the number of recharge cycles beteen the two. You can not trust anything tney say
my p108 ryobi battery. It appears to take a charge. volt meter says 18v little green bars indicate full charge. When I apply a load (drill) the tool runs for less than a second and stops. sometimes if I release the trigger and pull it again it runs for less than a second. (Almost like its a faulty tool switch) It is not as I can do this with all of my dozen plus tools. same thing happens. I drilled a couple tiny holes to access the main terminals ( tests at 20V) as suggested in some videos, although I haven't tried to shock it yet, as I am not sure thats the remedy in my case. after the attachment of the tool , the battery green bars are dead although I gat a read of 20v at the tiny holes I drilled. Do you have any ideas of how to fix this battery. I had it replaced on warrenty already but would like to solve this mystery and maybe have another working battery as well. putting the battery in the charger restores the green full bar indicator but does not fix the situation - Merrill
My experience is 18650-20R would be 2000mAH. I've seen -22, -24, and -26, which is roughly the limit for that cell size (I laughably got some 18650 button-top cells with a cheap headlamp I got that say 9800mAH on them, which is laughably ludicrous, they tested more like 1500).
I just bought a 5ah knockoff for $35 on Amazon and it's been awesome. The oem Ryobi 4ah is $109 and the 6ah is $129, so I'm really pleased with my purchase. Now I just need to see how many cycles it lasts for.
Watch for the 1\2" Ryobi impact wrench kit at home Depot online as a kit. It come with the wrench, charger, and 4Ah battery for $99. On their page, select, "departments>>tools>>power tools>>impact wrenches, then you can filter by price/special values/ new prices on the lower left of the screen if you're on a desktop.
alot of times they use real samsungs, only they take used ones out of old tools, so you get the real deal but used ones, sometimes, although vanon is really good for imitation
Hello from Australia. Thank you for the video. I am presently learning about these battery issues and have realised that there is quite a lot to it. The worth of these batteries (or in essence, 18650 cells used in these 36/40V batteries) cannot be condensed to just how long they will last - one must consider the maximum current they can supply under load and other specifications. Here is a very instructive video: ruclips.net/video/qMZuHMlRw_0/видео.html However, the title implies that batteries made in China are inferior - but in fact most batteries globally are made in China - it's just that some sellers are shifty and mislabel and contract manufacturers to produce rubbish for a very low price and these shifty sellers make a profit at our expense. One get what one pays for. I used to import from China years ago and I know that quality products are available for the right price.
Hi there. I’m a ryobi fan and I had a bad experience with the 6 amps batteries. They stop working after a while of use and the 4 amps that I have still running like new.
do you charge them and take them off the charger immediately, or do you let them sit for a while? That would slowly ruin the life of the battery if so.
Don't matter, they are barely over junk. I got the 6Ah knock offs to run cordless Ryobi hot glue gun (which is GREAT btw) and even new, they BARELY hung with the 4Ah OE batteries. But in my case, I knew deep drawing my OEs all the time would blow them up so i wanted "sacrificial" batteries and I was right. Within a month or so, I noticed power drop-off that after a second month was very significant. They would shut off @ low draw with 2 bars left so I tried Amazon to warranty, no luck, too old, no email response, and you have to call CHIEEENA to HOPE for warranty. Stick with OE when on sale.
So the % of runtime is higher than the % of cost. I.E. multiple knock of batteries for the same price as one name brand battery will give me 2-3 times the runtime. Sounds like a great deal to me! Great job on a thorough test. Thanks.
As some other commentators mentioned, the 18650s in the generic are not Samsung - also, in addition to the Ah rating being inflated (4Ah on the generics more likely to be 3 or 2), the CDR rating is also worse than the OEMs too. Essentially, the maximum current that can be drawn from the battery is significantly less on the generic when compared to the OEM - which is why it's half priced. If you ever do another video tearing down generic batteries - please consider getting a 18650 battery tester (like ones from Opus or Litokala) so that you can verify the claims that the generics are making.
Witch leaf blower do you have? I had the jet fan blower, And that thing would eat threw batterys like crazy even the name brand ones, the most I could get was maybe 15 - 20 min
I pursched a 6ah Lithium off ebay, my tool did not perform with the same power as the original Ryobi battery. Tried it in my drill, lawn mower, line trimmer and grinder. None of them had the same "kick" in performance, I could actually hear it in the tool when it was running. It also went flat quicker. Wasted $36. Would not buy again, Ill stick to genuines.
Yes I agree the fake ones are not as good an the name brand one. As you seen in the video I got a 4.0ah battery and its says 6.0ah battery. RIp off, but I only had 20 bucks at the time and needed another battery, so it worked in a pinch. Thanks for watching
There is little comparison between buying something off eBay and Amazon. If I have a problem with something bought on eBay it is a struggle trying to resolve it. If I have a problem with something on Amazon they refund my money almost instantly without any argument or hoops to jump through (probably because I'm a good customer that seldom returns items.) Dishonest sellers don't survive long on Amazon but they seem to flourish on the eBay platform.
I've used the genric and they have held up over time there is a few minutes difference in run time but not enough to warrant buying the OEM. However I have found the 4Ah are probably correctly labeled, the 5Ah and 6Ah are actually 4Ah that they have lied about the rating. I've taken several apart and they all contain 2000Mah cells so there is no way they can put out the higher ratings. So when buying just consider your only getting 4Ah batteries no matter what they are labeled and do not pay extra for the 5 or 6. Samsung makes 2000/2500/3000 Mah capacities this is the only way to pull more amperage with same number of cells and Ryobi uses higher quality cells in their 6Ah batteries and more cells on the 9Ah. Lately I've had a problem that one generic brand runs in all my tools except a leaf blower. Not sure what is going on there???
How many times were the off brand packs charged? Even brand new Sony cells need to be charged discharged couple times before they reach peak capacity! Edit... 50 cycles each?
I just bought two 6 amp knock offs and I wondered how it could be the same size as the 4 amp and supposedly have higher output. They don't. Wish you could have tested the current output to see if it is close to 6 amps.
It looked like it had the same cells as the original 4ah And if they are indeed 2000mah then they are 4ah with false advertising, they would need to be 3000mah 18650 to make the 6ah
It’s not 6 amps - it’s 6 amp-hours. That means it can handle a six amp load for one hour, a three amp loan for two hours, a one amp load for six hours - in other words, the load in amps can be divided into the amp-hour rating to estimate the run time before discharge.
The 6ah in terms of dollars/minute of runtime.... $139 for 150 minutes of runtimes = 92 cents a minute for the Ryobi. $35 for 90 mins w/ the aftermarket = .38 cents per minute. It's pretty clear which is cheaper......The other factor that would be awesome to know is how many total cycles each survives till failure and then figure it out in dollars/cycle.
I have difficulty removing the knockoff batteries from my Ryobi tools. Some are the older Ryobi dark color tools and some of the new lime greens. Never have any problems removing the Ryobi brand. I wonder why?
I got a 6 AH knock off was fine. Done the whole lawn What you should talk about are the thin wires that fall foo when the knock off gets too hot while in use or charging
Nice video, thank you. You're not being fair to the 6ah knock-off. It is not 50% less power, it is 40% less. You said it was 50%, but 1.5 hours vs 2.5 hours is 60%, not 50%. So the knock-off has 60% of the power of the genuine battery (or 40% weaker). You were correct about the 30% of the 4ah batteries though. You're also right that both last less, but be fair with the numbers. It's curious that the smaller battery is closer in power to the genuine one. If logic follows, the 1.5ah knock-off should be quite close the genuine one (but I doubt it). I use both a genuine one and the other also , but they are different and I can't make a comparison. My knock-off looks exactly like yours, 4ah I got from WM for $22 ($80 for genuine). I can put 10 pounds of pressure in a tire and buff the wax on one car on one charge. I'd bet the genuine one would do twice that. It's a piece of mind thing for my Ryobi tire inflator. At about 73% off, it was a good buy for me. You have a great personality; I wish you lived next door!
The amp isn't just run time, but also power to the motor. Wondering how you felt about that, did you try them in a drill or other tool? Did I miss that part? ... Thanks for taking the time to review and share.
I have used them in all my tools, In the video I just used the light to drain them because it was the fastest way to drain them quietly !!! They work OK not the best but if your broke it will work.
Question - even if "nockoff" is close to same run time, how many times can it be recharged before it is toast. Say If the off brand only recharges 10 times and the name brand recharges 35 times that makes a difference in price also. Has anybody done a test for total time of use over the life time of battery?
Around 9:54 he spoke fast or with an accent I could not understand. Could someone write down the words he said between 9:54 and 9:57 (something about "thumb up towards the money" what did he says or what does the slang mean ? Thanks much.
I was talking about how many charge cycles I have on the batterys. How many times I ha e charged them up. And I also said for the money there good!!! Thanks for watching.
Any idea how long the brand name and off brand batteries run on that fan in the background? Wanting to buy one of the fans, but not sure which way to go on the batteries. Thanks in advance!
Well the fan will run a very long time on low, 30 hours on a 4.0ah battery, On high i want to say 6-8 hours its been a long time since I tested them. The knockoff's work well I haven't had any issues with mine going on 2 years now. Dont forget to subscribe I am going to be doing a follow up video about the knockoff batterys 2 years later.
Wow that's much longer than I was thinking. I really only need something that will last 6-8 hours so if I can get more than that out of one charge I'll be thrilled!
you said on the one you paid $129 and it ran twice as long but the cheaper price on the knock off allows you to buy 4 for your $129 which gives you twice the ran time of the name brand on the $60 one it seems to equal out two off brands for around $60 vs one name brand for $60 with about the same run time am I wrong?
I would completely redo this video. editing. script. concise. these are your friends. also, don't just TALK about your results. show us. film it. RUclips is a visual medium. not just for exposition.
Almost all of the people who perform aftermarket battery test do not state if they performed a drain and recharge cycle prior to their testing. If a cell is not balance with the other cells this can adversely affect your test. Next time, do this when you get a new battery for testing, perform a full drain and recharge for at least 4 cycles, and at the last cycle, leave the battery connected to the charger for 48 hrs. Leaving the battery connect for 48hrs will allow the cell to perform a full balance.
I have bought multiple different brands of the fake batteries...the best being vannon....having said all of that I have found basically no difference with the main exception being slot of the fake ones dont have a grippy rubber molding on them and they tend to slide around more, but for the price it's all good...
2hr 30min @ $139 vs. 1hr 30min @ $35, 1hr less runtime is not half. You could buy 4 after-market batteries (= 6hrs runtime) or 1 OEM battery. 🤔 I'll take door number two for the win. That's what I think!
That's disappointing. That means the 6ah knockoff is only 4ah producing less then Ryobi 4ah and the 4ah is more like a 3ah so it's definitely a huge difference. Ryobi has a 9ah battery now I'd love to see a review of them...
Hey thanks for the comment, I went over the 9 am battery in my Ryobi vs ridgid angle grinder video. I did a run time test on it, I didn't get to in-depth.
@@Impact-OG cool thanks I'll have to check that out. I came across your video as I was looking for reviews or cheap replacement batteries. One of my main concerns is power. Actually power over run time is something I'd love to see. Do the bigger batteries deliver more power then the smaller ones or is it regulated pretty consistent and just gives you a longer run time.
@@my2centz196 so what I have noticed I have a 4 & 6 ah ryboi, one makita,and like 4 of the Milwaukee m12 batterys. They all work good, but they do not have any of the HP style or put out extra power, But I have herd about people getting battery's with old cells in them. So its really up to you. My 6 and 4 ah ryobi there isn't much different s maybe 30 min run time. were the name brand one is huge difference you know.
@@Impact-OG With the name brand you can take it back to the store and get it replaced. I took one back to Home Depot and it was out of warranty - they replaced it for me any way.
id still go with the knock off. even though less run time you can get 3 knockoffs for 1 ryobi and run your tool for longer. i have two of the 6.0 knockoffs and never had a issue.
This has probably been noted somewhere below but I just had to... You'll notice the knockoff "6Ah" ran about the same as the genuine 4Ah... That's because the knockoff 6Ah only has 4Ah worth of cells in it hahah. If those are indeed 2000mAh cells as they're labeled, then 10 of them would yield 4000mAh (4Ah) at 18V which agrees with your observed runtimes. You'll notice this result is similar to the 4Ah genuine pack as well. I'll bet that if you open up the 4Ah knockoff pack you'll find the cells do not add up to what's printed on that label as well. You'll also notice that the size of the knockoff 6Ah pack is about the same as the genuine 4Ah, again because they have the same size and qty of cells in them. I have seen some decent (not awesome, but decent) knockoff packs out there, but these are clearly a scam. Thanks for sharing.
Just FYI the HP or HD or whatever it is on the 6Ah Ryobi pack indicates that the cells are capable of producing more current for heavy load applications, but the total capacity is the same and in a relatively low draw application like this it will perform the same as a non HP version.
jostafew, greater sustained discharge rate.
I was just going to same thing about the "6mah" knockoffs lol. Which if you take that into account when purchasing them, as long as you don't need the HP feature your still probably making out better with knockoff.
So with this information,,,, are the knockoffs better for the $$$ or not? And furthermore, where do you get the knockoff version?
still for the price if you are buying a 4AH battery even when its labeled a 6AH for the price you are all good
@@jeffthompson8663 whether you get 4ah 5ah or 6ah just make sure you buy a tall battery (10 cells) and you’ll get good performance.
Even if you're not desperate do you have to take into consideration the price difference.. in my opinion 3 for the price of one is nice because you can have them all charged and ready as needed and or use them for multiple tools
@Acg blah in some situations yes that's true, but that's one of the things that it's good for people to think about. 🦅
The trouble is that your 3 cheap options will stop recharging after 6 to 12 months while the genuine ones will last for years.
@@tonysutton6559 That wasn't the case for me. My two OEM batteries were the ones that stopped charging while my 3rd party ones are still going.
Yes I have many of these for light work, drill, lights but they suck for circular saw and grinder. For the price it is nice to always have several charged batteries though.
I have had "Batteries Plus" rebuild a couple of those type batteries for me, they told me they all contain sub par batteries originally, they assured me the batteries they rebuild them with would be more impressive, 4 years later, the rebuilds have better performance and runtime than new ones from the manufacturer. Just thought I'd share.
If you could count, you would have realized that the 6ah knock off had 2 sets of 2ah cells in series, making 4ah. If you compare the 6ah knock off (which is actually rated at 4ah based on the cells) to the 4ah genuine battery, the runtime is identical and still a better deal to get the knock off. So what if the ratings are off, just get the larger knock off and its still far cheaper than the 4ah genuine. They just slapped a 6ah label on it to make them sell.
Absolutely right.
Also it's obvious the cells he is trying to read are clearly Samsung 18650 batteries, he just doesn't recognize them because he's probably either never seen them or just doesn't know how to read either
Still a good video for people who don't want to do their own field test and can navigate his mistakes to discern the comparisons lol
Along with this, the knockoff 6aH battery looks like it is a 4aH battery based on the size of it.
I guess the knockoffs are good to use in low to modest drain usage. The weedeater or the drill might be good for them. For a high draw tool like my yard blower, it would be frustrating to change that battery more than needed. I guess both have a place.
I have 2 of the 4 ah knock off one they work for the weed eater and the drill
The name Of your channel is the reason why I subscribed. Lets go!!!!
Sweet thanks man I do have some smashing videos coming up just for your. Do you have anything In mind??
Thanks for watching man.
Most likely the "18050" number from the orange batteries is actually "18650", which is the cell that is used in all of our power tools, laptop batteries, vapes, etc. The "20R" number means 2 amp hours or 2000 mah and there were 3 rows of 5 cells. 5 cells make up an 18v or 20v (same exact battery packs believe it or not) battery pack. 3 rows of 5 two amp hour batteries = six amp hours. So if you see an 18 or 20v battery pack that is not very tall, but is say 3000 mah, it has 5 cells and each one is 3000 mah. A 5000 mah short battery pack has 5 cells that are 5000 mah each, etc. A medium height battery pack that's 3000 mah would have 10 cells (2 rows of 5) that are 1500 mah each. Hope this helps!
Are the knockoffs any good ? They look like they use the same type of battery cells right?
This is correct infoooo!
Don’t take apart lithium batteries on a conductive surface.
Al isnt the smartest, finest 'merican education at work.
As long as both terminals aren't touching, it is fine.
Good job
On a conductive surface while prying with a metal screwdriver...
On the plus side, its a fireproof surface too.
Do the math. Name brand , $140 with a run time of 2.5 hours. Knock off, $35, with 1.5 hour run time. . You can buy 4 knock offs which would be 6 hours of run time with a simple change out. most people don't need that much run time. so buy 2 knocks off. and pocket $70 and still get three hours of run time.
I don't enjoy math, but if you like to do it go ahead. JUST KIDDIN, I got the KO, when I didn't have much money 20 bucks is a big difference when your broke!!!!
Also important is the longevity of the battery life, IE: will it last as long as the original.... Not just run time after 1st charge.......
the ryobi knock offs aren’t bad at all. just lower your expectations I got the 6 amp hr battery’s as the equivalent to the OE ryobi 4 amp hr battery’s. picked up 4 of them for 120$ out the door on e bay 6 months ago they get used daily and so far they are holding up good. and they have about 20% more to give then the OE 4 amp hr battery’s. 👍
Yes but if what he says in the video is right you would have to buy 2 knock offs to get the runtime as one genuine .The original battery's are way over priced
Right now Ryobi Days has two 4ah batteries for $99 and you get a free tool. One of the free tools you can get is 2 more batteries so $99 for 4. Hard to buy knockoffs when you can get OEM for $25 a battery for 4ah.
That’s a really good deal if you think about it. I think these aftermarket batteries are a false economy. Not worth it.
The massive difference is because the capacity they are claiming is wrong that 6ah that you dissected is actually only 4ah if those 10 cells are 2000mah
I guess you and i are the ONLY ones to see this .... Nobody else in this chat can SEE that battery is NOT a 6ah LOL ... its CLEARLY a 4ah battery with a mis-label of 6ah ...
And the guy making this video is BLIND
@@ACommenterOnRUclips when you see the size of 4 and 6 no brand, its quite the same. So you couldn t have 4 more cells in it... 18650 usualy got 2000 mAh.
china mislabels everything to sell them... pretty pathetic.
I saw a 9ah battery at home depot, on special for 90 bucks
@@emmanuelbelgeri3480 when u find good ones they are 3000mah, but I doubt you ever find those in knock-off batteries
Thank you for bringing to my attention that there is knockoffs on the market.
My takeaway: if you want the $140 6ah HP battery, you can save $60 by buying two knock-off "6ah" batteries and getting about the same combined capacity. Or if you are considering the common 2-pack of genuine 4ah batteries, getting two of the generic 6ah could save you $20. The knock-offs are labeled incorrectly (the stated ah is a lie), but they aren't priced badly considering their actual ah per dollar. This doesn't consider Ryobi's obviously better warranty and replacement service.
Now I'm curious to see inside other no-name brands.
Running me doing another battery comparison video here probably within the next month I have some Milwaukee knockoffs and I have some Makita knockoffs as well going to be reviewing
@@Impact-OG i have makita 18v batteries and they are still working perfectly more than 10 YEARS LATER! tradesman know makita batteries are awesome
You basicly dont..
18650 can be anything... since it is simply the format of the cells (like AA and AAA): 18mm diameter - 65mm length
All manufacturers of Li Ion cells (Samsung, Panasonic, but also cheap knockoffs) offer this format.
The new format in the most recent high-capacity LiIon-batteries is 21700 - which you guess is is 21mm diameter 70mm length
Take a look at the formula for peukert's number. It will give you some detail about battery discharge rates so you can better understand the difference in these batteries.
Essentially there is a modifier on how a battery discharges depending on the voltage being drawn. This does apply to Li-Ion on a scale of 1:1.09
Also the HP batteries are more likely to be constructed of 90% efficient materials vs the knockoffs at 80% (or less).
18650 is a description of the battery. 18mm in diameter, 65mm in length. About the size of a AA with 2.5x the voltage. Perfect for powerering LEDs @3.3v±10%.
If you were to run 2x 2Ah 18650 3.7v in series (pos butted up against neg) and complete the circuit, the resulting power would be 7.4v 2Ah. If you were to run them parallel (split the wire and run to each seperately, then feed from pos on each back to a single line) the resulting voltage would be 3.7v 4Ah. This essentially creates a larger tank to draw energy from.
To achieve 18v they run 5x 18650s in series. Given the batteries ryobi uses are 1.3Ah, 1 series gives us the 1.3Ah pack. If another series is run in parallel with the first we get 2.6Ah or "2.5Ah" pack, 3 series in parallel @3.9Ah or "4Ah" etc.
You can find another good read about cell efficiency below. Keep in mind electric/hybrid vehicle batteries are just a great deal of 18650s crammed into a casing.
www.researchgate.net/publication/231169804_Rechargeable_Energy_Storage_Systems_for_Plug-in_Hybrid_Electric_Vehicles-Assessment_of_Electrical_Characteristics.
I plan on ordering the knockoffs tomorrow. If i dont have 3 series in parallel ill be returning it to the 2 day delivery web store and giving a poor review. Otherwise Ill make due with the less efficient cells until it comes time to dump the old cells and upgrade them to new more efficient cells.
Thanks for the video. It really did help.
Oh cool thanks man
Great, easy to digest @dave b
So we're the knockoffs 3 series ran parallel?
Nearly all 18V Li batteries use standard 18650 Li batteries. The difference in run time or AH is the quality of each 18650 battery as each brand will have a different mAH rating. 18650 batteries operate at 3.7V, so 5x3.7= 18.5V.
Or the fact that they lie about capacity using the cheapest 18650 they can get hold of ,even used
I have been using vanon batteries now ,they use 30q samsung cells ,they have been excellent.
interman 77 Do the Vanon batteries have the extra contacts for brushless tools?
Vanon is not a reputable brand. Most of their batteries are far less amp hours than advertised.
Had pair of Vanon. Would not charge. Got replacements. They didn't charge either. Got a refund. Then was offered a further "refund" to change my bad review!
Thanks for posting this. I came across it after I already bought some knockoffs that look exactly like what you are reviewing. I got 4 of the "6Ah" for $108. If they last as long as genuine 4Ah, I'm a happy camper. Love my Ryobi tools, but can't keep dropping crazy money on batteries.
They don't which i'm sure you know by now
I just bought One + Ryobi batteries and I think they are as good as Bosch, maybe a bit bigger....
Nice video. The other thing about the knock-offs is that they expire much faster than the OEM's. After as little as two or three cycles they stop being able to take a full charge. In my experience, they become pretty much useless in a very short while. I returned the four I bought to Amazon.
Yeah out of those two, one of mine stopped working already and it has only been around 2 years
The worst lifespan I ever had from a lithium battery was one Ryobi (out of 4 I bought at the same time) that stopped taking a charge after a few months. I use both OEM and knockoffs. My experience is that a 6Ah knockoff = a 4Ah OEM battery and that (if I don't count that one Ryobi lemon battery) the average OEM might take a few more recharge cycles but the difference doesn't appear to be much. Bottom line, knockoffs have been a better value for me.
@@noyopacific My two original Ryobi batteries both stopped charging after a disappointing small number of charges. Meanwhile my three third party batteries are still going. The oldest one is over 5 years old at this point. (Disclosure: I'm not a heavy user, which makes it even stranger the OEM batteries died).
Hey, thanks for doing the work so we don't have to!! I'm sure it's been said already, but just in case I figured Id step in an be a know it all lol. The numbers on those cells "18650" is the diameter and length of the battery, so you would pronounce it "eighteen - six fifty". Some of the newer batteries use larger cells which preform better because they allow a higher amp draw. Thanks again for the content.
While calling these thing Chnese-iam, remember that the genuine Ryobi battery is also made in China. You get what you paid for. Don't expect a $30 aftermarket battery can be as good as a $99 one.
I remember watching a video of someone looking at a cheap powerbank and when he took it apart to test the cells some didn't have any power at all.
Turns out half the cells were just tubes filled with sand to give them weight.
I wonder if that's the case with these no name batteries you have.
Absolutely not.
I used to have that spotlight, and boy did it eat batteries. I got the new model and gave the old model away to my brother in law. I got the little energup batteries and I couldn't be happier with them.
Yeah I have never had any issues with the light or any of the batteries I really like it. The new LED is a little bit lighter but other than that they're pretty similar oh and also has the dual power which I like
@@Impact-OG my local home Depot had it on sale for $39. I love it.
@@kobelcofan I just ordered an LED lamp for my original blue flashlight.
Gotta love RYOBI. Great vid !!
Hey thanks man I really appreciate it!!
You have to love them.
Your "6AH" knock-offs are only 6AH on the outside label. I can see by the video that they are 5 pairs of cells, so that each pair of cells is in parallel. Just from that, the capacity is 2x2Ahr, which makes 4A-hr, assuming the samsung cells are really what they claim. That is the same configuration as the Ryobi pack, but I don't know what cells they are. Also, your load is not a heavy load, which would favor cells that don't handle high loads very well.
Can you update the link to the knock offs?
Question is how long the knockoffs last ?
This also explains why the batteries cost so much. Those are basically vape mod batteries. Normal price is $20 for 2 and the 6Ah battery has 10 18650's in it. Obviously better batteries cost more, but without the other components that make them work with the tools, that's already $100. I feel like all my complaints about battery cost just got shot down. Those are Samsung 18650 batteries. Wrap number is different than number on the inside. Inside number is normally the part number for the tube that houses the internals of the battery. Also, not suppposed to take the batteries out like that so there would be no point in adding cost to rewrap the 18650's.
China can make very good products, the problem with Chinese factories is they will make you exactly what you ask for. So the same factory could make you $100 batteries that beat OEM spec or $10 ones with recycled nicads inside and Li-ion written on the front.
Covid is the longest lasting thing to come out of China
These tests are really useful, but for me the true test is how many duty cycles the battery can manage before its performance starts to fail. Obviously this will take time. It may turn out that the genuine batteries work out cheaper in the long run for a heavy user like a pro who thrashes them every day.
That is very true, I have had mine for about 9 months and it has to be close to a 100 charge cysles on it, and it still works good. I use my Ryobi light in the babys room as a night light so i let it run all night and then charge the next day, so I am running it a lot..
I had one clone and it only lasted 22 months and never had the same power output as the Ryobi packs.
have 6 knock-offs, 2 are 6 years old, just got thru cutting a 10" I-Beam with my 15 year old Ryobi Recip Saw w/ a new 6AH battery. Got the last 2 6AH for 40 bucks.
Does those batteries fit in a ryobi p271 drill driver
regardless of true amperage my question is whether those batteries can supply large volumes of current when needed. Or does it have safeties when using high loads
Well I can answer that. It depends on the tool!! In my ryobi melt down video the old impact kept going an was able to melt down all the way till the very end. The new impact shut off around 170 degree, as for the new hammer drill it will shut off if it senses to much torque,witch is stupid!!!
The 18650 in the battery numbering code means it is a lithium-ion rechargeable battery of a particular size with a nominal 3.7 Volt output and typically comes rated at between 2500 ma to 4000 ma, depending on the specs for the particular battery. Amazon sells a variety of these, and if you take a look at what is available, it is possible that some may have a higher capacity. After much trial and error, I now wait for the big sales and then buy my Ryobi tools and Ryobi batteries directly from HD, which is the cheapest way - please note that many HD stores don’t stock all Ryobi items, but you can save a wasted trip to HD by selecting and buying what you want on line and typically getting 2 day FedEx shipping to your home or shop for free. Returns can be made to the local HD, with a receipt.
No such thing as a 4000 mAh 18650, if it says that it is fake and probably not even 2000
qwsxcde0988 I'm no battery expert, but I do report what is advertised. Here is a link to some 5800 ma 18650 batteries made by Lightbole and sold on Amazon. www.amazon.com/Lightbole-Universal-Smart-Battery-Charger/dp/B07SGJX8QR/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=18650+4000ma+battery&qid=1560619464&s=gateway&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&smid=A39COE92XLNS4P. Each battery is clearly marked 5800 ma. Make your own decision as to whether or not they are fake.
2000 ma batteries are on the low side. I believe 1500 ma is as low as they go. The higher the amp hour, the longer the battery lasts. Looked at changing the cells in a battery once, but if you're not buying in bulk, it's cheaper (and easier) to buy a knockoff.
I have 2 piece of 1.3 ah I keep for emergency I love Ryobi.
Please consider doing a followup video. It’s been many years and these knockoffs are still available but honestly I don’t see the value since you can get 4AH batterie at 2-$40 during Ryobi days.
What it really shows is that there is zero regulation on battery amp hour ratings. If they're listed at 4 ah the ryobi and the knock off would run almost identical times.
I like Ryobi tools, I have dropped my drill off a ladder several times, still works ! Same co. as Milwaukee,& Ridgid. I will be ordering a few of those knockoff batteries soon.
Yeah for the money I like them, I have a Makita one, a couple Milwaukee M-12 and the couple Ryobi one's and I have not had any problems with them.
Where can you get the ryobi battery knockoffs?
@@jeffthompson8663 wish f.expl. ☺️
You drop tools off ladders , im guess not on a construction site otherwise you would have been fired several times and had a few split lips
i also have a knock off charger and its works perfectly for about 1/3 of the original ryobi price.
Where do you get the knockoff charger? I haven’t seen them on eBay.
@@J_Neighbor amazon..lots available
Are they still workin well?
Seen a lot of people say they work.....for the first couple months then won't recharge or only hold charge for 5mins of a task
I don't think they use the high discharge cells, that should be used, in these knockoffs. You could get one that last a week or one that last a year
I love Ryobi ! I grabbed the 2 pack of 4ah batterys for 79.00 so I bought a couple. Thats ten bucks per amp hour. I Found the 9ah for 74.00 apiece when you buy four so I so I picked those up too. I wouldn't want to bother with those and this confirms it. Thanks for doing this for us.
Yes they had some good deals this holiday season, I picked up the two pack 4ah, with the 6ap battery and charger for 119. I really like all there lights and specialty tools like there Fan and wet dry vac..
I love Ryobi also I have many of the tools.
Yea Homedepots in Chicago has that deal right now May 2020
Nice video. What's the body marking of the two ICs used?
2000mAh cells, 10 cells, only gives 4000mAh at 18 volts? not the branded 6Ah?
hi i have a one plus blue and yellow old ryobi drill will the old charger work for this battery ?
What is the issue with your circular saw? Is it just too underpowered or does it not work at all?
Just a caution on the knock off. Mine has an insulator on the battery terminals on the side where the batteries are not connected across each other so the metal release spring cant short them out. The other side isn't an issue as the spring sits adjacent across a set of batteries.
You took apart a 6Ah, but it has 2 rows of 5 cells at 3.7v and 2000 mAh. That totals up to a 4Ah battery at 18v, not a 6Ah battery. That explains the runtime deficiency. Can you take apart the 4ah or 6ah ryobi to see what those cells are?
Like I said I dont know much about the Cells them selfs I will have to look into that... But that dos make scene..
@@Impact-OG In these 18v/20v packs, the cells are about 3.7v (4.0v max without load), so you put five in series to get the required 18v. Then to add runtime (Ah), you put multiple of those 5 cell rows in parallel. I am betting if you opened the ryobi 4ah you would find the same as what you found in the knock off 6Ah.
That sucks, since I was looking to get some of these knock offs because of the decent reviews and price. But if you compare the knock off '6Ah' to the real 4Ah the price isn't that different.
That is so false advertising. The 6AH is actually only 4Ah if you do the design maths. They lied about the capacity. The running time for their supposedly 6AH is similar to the real Ryobi 4Ah, which confirms this. The other issue is the number of recharge cycles beteen the two. You can not trust anything tney say
Well this is your answer that you seem to be neglecting. As Chuckie stated the cells are 2ah, x2 =4a! It's a 4ah battery. Done.
happy christmass man
Thanks for your time man
Another informative and helpful video.
Thanks man.
Hey thanks it's nice to get a positive comment ever now and than!!
my p108 ryobi battery. It appears to take a charge. volt meter says 18v little green bars indicate full charge. When I apply a load (drill) the tool runs for less than a second and stops. sometimes if I release the trigger and pull it again it runs for less than a second. (Almost like its a faulty tool switch) It is not as I can do this with all of my dozen plus tools. same thing happens. I drilled a couple tiny holes to access the main terminals ( tests at 20V) as suggested in some videos, although I haven't tried to shock it yet, as I am not sure thats the remedy in my case. after the attachment of the tool , the battery green bars are dead although I gat a read of 20v at the tiny holes I drilled. Do you have any ideas of how to fix this battery. I had it replaced on warrenty already but would like to solve this mystery and maybe have another working battery as well. putting the battery in the charger restores the green full bar indicator but does not fix the situation - Merrill
My experience is 18650-20R would be 2000mAH. I've seen -22, -24, and -26, which is roughly the limit for that cell size (I laughably got some 18650 button-top cells with a cheap headlamp I got that say 9800mAH on them, which is laughably ludicrous, they tested more like 1500).
I just bought a 5ah knockoff for $35 on Amazon and it's been awesome. The oem Ryobi 4ah is $109 and the 6ah is $129, so I'm really pleased with my purchase. Now I just need to see how many cycles it lasts for.
Watch for the 1\2" Ryobi impact wrench kit at home Depot online as a kit. It come with the wrench, charger, and 4Ah battery for $99. On their page, select, "departments>>tools>>power tools>>impact wrenches, then you can filter by price/special values/ new prices on the lower left of the screen if you're on a desktop.
No way a 4AH is $109. It’s 2-$80 every day. During Ryobi days you get that same deal with a charger and tool.
alot of times they use real samsungs, only they take used ones out of old tools, so you get the real deal but used ones, sometimes, although vanon is really good for imitation
Hello from Australia. Thank you for the video. I am presently learning about these battery issues and have realised that there is quite a lot to it. The worth of these batteries (or in essence, 18650 cells used in these 36/40V batteries) cannot be condensed to just how long they will last - one must consider the maximum current they can supply under load and other specifications. Here is a very instructive video: ruclips.net/video/qMZuHMlRw_0/видео.html However, the title implies that batteries made in China are inferior - but in fact most batteries globally are made in China - it's just that some sellers are shifty and mislabel and contract manufacturers to produce rubbish for a very low price and these shifty sellers make a profit at our expense. One get what one pays for. I used to import from China years ago and I know that quality products are available for the right price.
Dude you’re fucking awesome. You help people in more ways than you think. Keep it up!!
Great info and details. Thanks
Was waiting for you to show the guts of the Ryobi pack for comparison.
I did take it apart bit the HP bstterys have a hard black plastic case around them and I would of broken it taking it off lol.
Thanks for watching
Hi there. I’m a ryobi fan and I had a bad experience with the 6 amps batteries. They stop working after a while of use and the 4 amps that I have still running like new.
do you charge them and take them off the charger immediately, or do you let them sit for a while? That would slowly ruin the life of the battery if so.
Don't matter, they are barely over junk. I got the 6Ah knock offs to run cordless Ryobi hot glue gun (which is GREAT btw) and even new, they BARELY hung with the 4Ah OE batteries. But in my case, I knew deep drawing my OEs all the time would blow them up so i wanted "sacrificial" batteries and I was right. Within a month or so, I noticed power drop-off that after a second month was very significant. They would shut off @ low draw with 2 bars left so I tried Amazon to warranty, no luck, too old, no email response, and you have to call CHIEEENA to HOPE for warranty. Stick with OE when on sale.
So the % of runtime is higher than the % of cost. I.E. multiple knock of batteries for the same price as one name brand battery will give me 2-3 times the runtime. Sounds like a great deal to me! Great job on a thorough test. Thanks.
As some other commentators mentioned, the 18650s in the generic are not Samsung - also, in addition to the Ah rating being inflated (4Ah on the generics more likely to be 3 or 2), the CDR rating is also worse than the OEMs too. Essentially, the maximum current that can be drawn from the battery is significantly less on the generic when compared to the OEM - which is why it's half priced. If you ever do another video tearing down generic batteries - please consider getting a 18650 battery tester (like ones from Opus or Litokala) so that you can verify the claims that the generics are making.
Great video, thanks for the video
Thanks man stick around I have a new one coming out in a couple weeks with the 9.0 vs knock off 9.0ah battery.
Always wondered about the knock offs now I know. 👍
Same
I purchased two “refurbished” Ryobi batteries. Total waste of money. They power my leaf blower for barely 5 minutes each. Lesson learned!
Witch leaf blower do you have? I had the jet fan blower, And that thing would eat threw batterys like crazy even the name brand ones, the most I could get was maybe 15 - 20 min
I pursched a 6ah Lithium off ebay, my tool did not perform with the same power as the original Ryobi battery. Tried it in my drill, lawn mower, line trimmer and grinder. None of them had the same "kick" in performance, I could actually hear it in the tool when it was running. It also went flat quicker. Wasted $36. Would not buy again, Ill stick to genuines.
Yes I agree the fake ones are not as good an the name brand one. As you seen in the video I got a 4.0ah battery and its says 6.0ah battery. RIp off, but I only had 20 bucks at the time and needed another battery, so it worked in a pinch.
Thanks for watching
There is little comparison between buying something off eBay and Amazon. If I have a problem with something bought on eBay it is a struggle trying to resolve it. If I have a problem with something on Amazon they refund my money almost instantly without any argument or hoops to jump through (probably because I'm a good customer that seldom returns items.) Dishonest sellers don't survive long on Amazon but they seem to flourish on the eBay platform.
Home depot has 2 3ah ryobi with charger for $99 right now. Then you can pick a tool up to $129 if i remember right. 1/2" 3 speed impact for me.
They have a good deal now deffenitly..
I've used the genric and they have held up over time there is a few minutes difference in run time but not enough to warrant buying the OEM. However I have found the 4Ah are probably correctly labeled, the 5Ah and 6Ah are actually 4Ah that they have lied about the rating. I've taken several apart and they all contain 2000Mah cells so there is no way they can put out the higher ratings. So when buying just consider your only getting 4Ah batteries no matter what they are labeled and do not pay extra for the 5 or 6. Samsung makes 2000/2500/3000 Mah capacities this is the only way to pull more amperage with same number of cells and Ryobi uses higher quality cells in their 6Ah batteries and more cells on the 9Ah. Lately I've had a problem that one generic brand runs in all my tools except a leaf blower. Not sure what is going on there???
How many times were the off brand packs charged? Even brand new Sony cells need to be charged discharged couple times before they reach peak capacity! Edit... 50 cycles each?
I just bought two 6 amp knock offs and I wondered how it could be the same size as the 4 amp and supposedly have higher output. They don't. Wish you could have tested the current output to see if it is close to 6 amps.
It looked like it had the same cells as the original 4ah
And if they are indeed 2000mah then they are 4ah with false advertising, they would need to be 3000mah 18650 to make the 6ah
It’s not 6 amps - it’s 6 amp-hours.
That means it can handle a six amp load for one hour, a three amp loan for two hours, a one amp load for six hours - in other words, the load in amps can be divided into the amp-hour rating to estimate the run time before discharge.
May you do a follow up...please.
Yes I will be I have other brands to Milwaukee, Makita, so stick around and thanks for watching.
The 6ah in terms of dollars/minute of runtime.... $139 for 150 minutes of runtimes = 92 cents a minute for the Ryobi. $35 for 90 mins w/ the aftermarket = .38 cents per minute. It's pretty clear which is cheaper......The other factor that would be awesome to know is how many total cycles each survives till failure and then figure it out in dollars/cycle.
I have difficulty removing the knockoff batteries from my Ryobi tools. Some are the older Ryobi dark color tools and some of the new lime greens. Never have any problems removing the Ryobi brand. I wonder why?
i have both , keep the nock off and use while my goodo ones are recharging
I bought some vanon knock batteries for my Ryobi circular saw and they sucked!!! On a full fresh charge they struggled to cut a 2x4. Oem for me!!!
I got a 6 AH knock off was fine. Done the whole lawn
What you should talk about are the thin wires that fall foo when the knock off gets too hot while in use or charging
Where did you get yours? I’m considering them.
eBay. $40 for A 8 AH battery. Done the front and back lawn with one battery
6 AH I mean
Nice video, thank you. You're not being fair to the 6ah knock-off. It is not 50% less power, it is 40% less. You said it was 50%, but 1.5 hours vs 2.5 hours is 60%, not 50%. So the knock-off has 60% of the power of the genuine battery (or 40% weaker). You were correct about the 30% of the 4ah batteries though. You're also right that both last less, but be fair with the numbers.
It's curious that the smaller battery is closer in power to the genuine one. If logic follows, the 1.5ah knock-off should be quite close the genuine one (but I doubt it). I use both a genuine one and the other also , but they are different and I can't make a comparison. My knock-off looks exactly like yours, 4ah I got from WM for $22 ($80 for genuine). I can put 10 pounds of pressure in a tire and buff the wax on one car on one charge. I'd bet the genuine one would do twice that. It's a piece of mind thing for my Ryobi tire inflator. At about 73% off, it was a good buy for me. You have a great personality; I wish you lived next door!
You can tell they are decent by looking at the spot welding it was used
The amp isn't just run time, but also power to the motor. Wondering how you felt about that, did you try them in a drill or other tool? Did I miss that part? ... Thanks for taking the time to review and share.
I have used them in all my tools, In the video I just used the light to drain them because it was the fastest way to drain them quietly !!! They work OK not the best but if your broke it will work.
Question - even if "nockoff" is close to same run time, how many times can it be recharged before it is toast. Say If the off brand only recharges 10 times and the name brand recharges 35 times that makes a difference in price also. Has anybody done a test for total time of use over the life time of battery?
Around 9:54 he spoke fast or with an accent I could not understand. Could someone write down the words he said between 9:54 and 9:57 (something about "thumb up towards the money" what did he says or what does the slang mean ? Thanks much.
I was talking about how many charge cycles I have on the batterys. How many times I ha e charged them up. And I also said for the money there good!!! Thanks for watching.
Interesting how on the 6am fake battery you only removed three screws when there are 5 in total .....
Any idea how long the brand name and off brand batteries run on that fan in the background? Wanting to buy one of the fans, but not sure which way to go on the batteries. Thanks in advance!
Well the fan will run a very long time on low, 30 hours on a 4.0ah battery, On high i want to say 6-8 hours its been a long time since I tested them. The knockoff's work well I haven't had any issues with mine going on 2 years now.
Dont forget to subscribe I am going to be doing a follow up video about the knockoff batterys 2 years later.
Wow that's much longer than I was thinking. I really only need something that will last 6-8 hours so if I can get more than that out of one charge I'll be thrilled!
@@macsedgwick2249 we are talking about the Ryobi fan??
Yep like the one behind you in the video
thank you for taking it apart.
Thanks for the comparison. Great information.
you said on the one you paid $129 and it ran twice as long but the cheaper price on the knock off allows you to buy 4 for your $129 which gives you twice the ran time of the name brand on the $60 one it seems to equal out two off brands for around $60 vs one name brand for $60 with about the same run time am I wrong?
I would completely redo this video.
editing. script. concise.
these are your friends.
also, don't just TALK about your results. show us. film it.
RUclips is a visual medium. not just for exposition.
Sorry but I'll pass on watching a lightbulb for 6 hours. This video gave me the info I came for and was efficient enough, it gets my thumbs up.
Almost all of the people who perform aftermarket battery test do not state if they performed a drain and recharge cycle prior to their testing. If a cell is not balance with the other cells this can adversely affect your test. Next time, do this when you get a new battery for testing, perform a full drain and recharge for at least 4 cycles, and at the last cycle, leave the battery connected to the charger for 48 hrs. Leaving the battery connect for 48hrs will allow the cell to perform a full balance.
I have a couple of the unbranded (knock off) 2.5ah and they run fine on my drills, nail gun and caulking gun and they do have a good run time
What brand are they?
What brand is the knockoff?
I got knock off battery working great so far
Counterfeit labelling is not uncommon. Sometimes the labels are run over reclaimed laptop packs.
Do you have a video for milwaukee battery teardown and what type of batteries they have?
I have bought multiple different brands of the fake batteries...the best being vannon....having said all of that I have found basically no difference with the main exception being slot of the fake ones dont have a grippy rubber molding on them and they tend to slide around more, but for the price it's all good...
Oh Totally agree, I have a knock off battery for a couple different brands and they all work well. Thanks for the comment
2hr 30min @ $139 vs. 1hr 30min @ $35, 1hr less runtime is not half. You could buy 4 after-market batteries (= 6hrs runtime) or 1 OEM battery. 🤔 I'll take door number two for the win.
That's what I think!
That's disappointing. That means the 6ah knockoff is only 4ah producing less then Ryobi 4ah and the 4ah is more like a 3ah so it's definitely a huge difference. Ryobi has a 9ah battery now I'd love to see a review of them...
Hey thanks for the comment, I went over the 9 am battery in my Ryobi vs ridgid angle grinder video. I did a run time test on it, I didn't get to in-depth.
@@Impact-OG cool thanks I'll have to check that out. I came across your video as I was looking for reviews or cheap replacement batteries. One of my main concerns is power. Actually power over run time is something I'd love to see. Do the bigger batteries deliver more power then the smaller ones or is it regulated pretty consistent and just gives you a longer run time.
@@my2centz196 so what I have noticed I have a 4 & 6 ah ryboi, one makita,and like 4 of the Milwaukee m12 batterys. They all work good, but they do not have any of the HP style or put out extra power, But I have herd about people getting battery's with old cells in them. So its really up to you. My 6 and 4 ah ryobi there isn't much different s maybe 30 min run time. were the name brand one is huge difference you know.
The best tools ever.
@@my2centz196 The new HP batteries offer a night and day difference in power when used with the One+ brushless tools.
I have a question about
I ordered the same one on ebay after 3rd use not working anymore
See I feel like its a crap shoot, I have had mine for a year now and never had a problem.
@@Impact-OG With the name brand you can take it back to the store and get it replaced. I took one back to Home Depot and it was out of warranty - they replaced it for me any way.
id still go with the knock off. even though less run time you can get 3 knockoffs for 1 ryobi and run your tool for longer. i have two of the 6.0 knockoffs and never had a issue.
Hey thanks for the feed back. Yes I have never had any problems with mine, I also just picked up a Milwaukee M12 knock off, and it works good.