Springfield Prodigy Comp vs Staccato XC... Is it a viable option?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024

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  • @loquette1
    @loquette1 2 месяца назад +21

    Would have been a more fairer comparison if the Prodigy was the 5-inch

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@loquette1 absolutely

    • @chrisgilbert2152
      @chrisgilbert2152 Месяц назад

      wouldn't be a fair comparison.

    • @jgmacho
      @jgmacho Месяц назад

      MIM versus non-MIM internals . It would have been great on a 5" considering most companies are charging 200-400 more just to mill a port .

    • @JonGar1911
      @JonGar1911 7 дней назад +1

      My 5” comp feels like a staple gun. I love mine.

    • @jimmysalgado5237
      @jimmysalgado5237 43 минуты назад

      Hey, you’re doing a good job man keep it up

  • @thetacticalape8852
    @thetacticalape8852 2 месяца назад +6

    A 5 inch barrel is always going to return to zero quicker than a 4.25 since there is more weight out front. Replace some MIM parts and change some springs and the Prodigy is quite a beast. I would love to see a bench test to see how well each of them group.

    • @tommymorgan9293
      @tommymorgan9293 28 дней назад +1

      5 inch gun recoils slower than a 4.25.

    • @VenableRacing
      @VenableRacing 27 дней назад

      @@tommymorgan9293 cyclic rate of the 4 1/4 is slightly faster than the 5 inch, but generally speaking the 5 inch will feel slightly more stable and smooth. I prefer the 5 inch…

  • @Mistahcakes
    @Mistahcakes 2 месяца назад +5

    Good video. The slow mo definitely shows a difference in the flip. Looks like the XC slide track immediately back then raise the barrel (recoil from slide movement primarily, blast mitigated). Where the Comp flips the barrel then tracks the slide back ( recoil from blast primarily, blast not mitigated). Info was well structured.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@Mistahcakes Thank you for the compliment on the video! I wonder if there would have been a difference with the 5 inch Prodigy Comp. If I get my hands on one of those I'll share my thoughts on it.

    • @markevans658
      @markevans658 2 месяца назад +3

      Seems like you’re ignoring the 5” vs 4.25” barrel, which makes a significant difference in recoil characteristics.

    • @tjc501
      @tjc501 2 месяца назад +1

      It will make a difference for sure! 5 inch will be flatter.

  • @joeymcdonald-nd5xm
    @joeymcdonald-nd5xm Месяц назад

    Thanks for the video. I've been comparing several different guns, and these are on my list.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  Месяц назад

      @@joeymcdonald-nd5xm Absolutely. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @buffalobillh
    @buffalobillh 12 дней назад +2

    I have noticed in all the prodigy videos I have watched, the ejection pattern is inconsistent with every single prodigy. I see the same here, however, the ejection pattern with your staccato is very consistent. It makes me wonder why Springfield hasn’t bothered to solve the ejector/extractor issues that everyone seems to experience. It’s not difficult to tune those if the parts are machined correctly. Maybe Springfield doesn’t do as much hands-on with the prodigy as they should.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  12 дней назад +1

      @@buffalobillh Interesting observation. Thanks for watching!

    • @buffalobillh
      @buffalobillh 11 дней назад

      @@FiringLineShooting
      Well, that observation may not be worth much, but it seems to be true so far. Place as much or as little value on it as you like. 😜 Either way, I sure appreciate your content. Keep up the good work!

  • @jonblair2327
    @jonblair2327 Месяц назад +2

    Good video! I’ve seen a lot of comments about the 5 inch prodigy being a better comparison. If I’m not mistaken, length of actual rifled barrel between the two is pretty comparable.
    It’s unfortunate the Prodigy has been plagued with reliability issues and I still don’t think Springfield has got it completely worked out. I regularly carry a Staccato XC, I don’t think I’ll ever be truly confident in the Prodigy’s reliability to carry one.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  Месяц назад +1

      @@jonblair2327 Fair points. Thanks for watching

    • @terrarecon
      @terrarecon Месяц назад +1

      You do realize that Staccato used to be STI and they were plagued with issues in their products back in the day? If a smaller company like Staccato can turn their quality control issues around, I think it's fair to expect Springfield Armory to do likewise. Also, bear in mind any new product is going to have teething issues regardless of who the manufacturer is. I think it's only fair to consider all of these things before rushing to judgement on whether Springfield will satisfactorily address issues.

    • @jonblair2327
      @jonblair2327 Месяц назад

      @@terrarecon yes, I absolutely realize that. It’s irrelevant to the conversation because Staccato, STI, or whatever you want to call them doesn’t have those issues, and I feel confident carrying one. The prodigy has been out for over a year and it’s still a roll of the dice on quality. Look at all of the larger companies that have released guns with “teething issues” but have also been quick to fix it and not have the same problems for over a year. I had high hopes when they released because Springfield’s 1911s are generally great for the money. I hope Springfield figures it out. I think the market needs a quality 2011 style gun at that price point. I just don’t think they have done it yet.

    • @tedk2166
      @tedk2166 Месяц назад +1

      @@jonblair2327I purchased the 5 inch Prodigy and the 3 inch Ronin and the first time out shooting both was very disappointing. The Ronin jammed every time I shot it, failed to eject and feed. The Prodigy was slow to cycle and feed. Sent both back and continue to have problems with both, wish I never purchased either. I recently bought a Staccato CS and that thing is beyond impressive. I can’t believe Springfield would ship such unreliable, malfunctioning junk. I wouldn’t think of trusting my life with their garbage. Wouldn’t buy anything from them, even at half price!

    • @jonblair2327
      @jonblair2327 Месяц назад

      @@tedk2166 I agree 100%. I will say the TRPs I’ve owned have been excellent, but I just can’t bite the bullet on a prodigy. Some people are getting good ones and others are getting nothing but issues. It’s a hard sell when you can get into a Bul Armory for a couple hundred bucks more, or a staccato for a few hundred more than the Bul.

  • @gair1944
    @gair1944 2 месяца назад +2

    Nice comparison. Thank you for your efforts, info and time. Very helpful.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  27 дней назад +1

      @@gair1944 somehow I missed this comment. Thank you for your comment and thank you for watching!

  • @leftyo9589
    @leftyo9589 2 месяца назад +4

    there's gong to be some difference between a 5", and 4.25", but the main difference we are seeing is an actual compensator vs a big port in the end of the barrel (yes, its a port despite how they, and other companies try to sell it). the springfield is a good budget option, plus if you are handy, for a few hundred you can replace all the mim parts, and still be more than 2000 bucks cheaper. you are for sure buying more gun with the stacatto, but its quite a big price jump.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@leftyo9589 Exactly. Great observations!

    • @JDB2030
      @JDB2030 2 месяца назад

      I would argue ports are for slowing velocity. So being towards the end of the barrel makes it a comp.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@JDB2030 That's just not true.

    • @JDB2030
      @JDB2030 2 месяца назад

      @@FiringLineShooting great rebuddle.

    • @raksomething6942
      @raksomething6942 2 месяца назад

      @@JDB2030rebuttal?

  • @ACE-6-RL
    @ACE-6-RL 2 месяца назад +3

    Nice vid! I personally, wouldn’t run the 147s in comped guns since it’s so slow, not producing enough gas to actually make a difference in a comp/port. Sticking with 115 or some hot 124s would be your best bet to make use of the comp.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад +2

      @@ACE-6-RL That's what people always say, yet the 147s and 124s always feel so much nicer.

  • @aceshigh9364
    @aceshigh9364 2 месяца назад +1

    It really does depend on the shooter. My Artemis is a beauty and the return to zero is no joke. But my XC is a fkn beast especially at Failure and Bill Drills. Still my EDC is a Glock 22 ☺ so yeah, nothing wrong with the Prodigy.

  • @signsofthetimes886
    @signsofthetimes886 4 дня назад

    The slo mo footage sounds like the "Wasted" sound effect from GTA V

  • @loquette1
    @loquette1 2 месяца назад +3

    Unfortunately, the Prodigy has had its issues, if your looking for an out the box reliable gun, I wouldn't recommend the Prodigy. Now, if you're like me, I love the 2011, 1911 DS platform, and the Prodigy is an excellent project gun. l have both the 4.25 and the 5 inch. As soon as I got the 4.25 inch, I gutted it, replaced the internal parts with EGW internals, porting and some gun smithing, polishing etc. And now it out preforms my Staccato P. I just ordered the new 5-inch ported Prodigy, I'm selling my non ported 5-inch Prodigy and doing all the upgrades planned for my new Prodigy.

    • @jonblair2327
      @jonblair2327 Месяц назад

      There’s been some used 4.25s on a local trader website for around $900, I’ve thought about picking one up for that price and tinkering with it. I’ve heard a large amount of the issues are being attributed to the disconnector, and that aftermarket ignition kits have fixed it. How does your 4.25 run with the EGW kit? I’m still reluctant to get into them or carry one because of the reliability issues

  • @chrisgilbert2152
    @chrisgilbert2152 4 дня назад +1

    Polymer frame XC?? Thats a new one!

  • @magdumpmonday
    @magdumpmonday 2 месяца назад

    yeah Springfield makes the tolerances so tight they are actually out of spec. my original prodigy was actually out of spec and I had to have it reamed. since then runs great. great comparison you slow motions much better than mine. subbed.

  • @rjracing9917
    @rjracing9917 2 месяца назад +2

    Look at the dwell time difference in the two on the slowmo! The recoil spring on the Prodigy looks like it’s at least 3-5lbs stiffer than the XC, making it look and feel like it has more muzzle flip/dive. With some tuning I think you can dial that Prodigy in a bit.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@rjracing9917 I've heard that from people who own it. It has potential

    • @Birdisthename
      @Birdisthename 2 месяца назад

      ​@FiringLineShooting i would check out dpm systems

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@Birdisthename I've got a spring fot my competitor coming in in the next couple days actually.

  • @markevans658
    @markevans658 2 месяца назад +1

    Good video, but the recoil comparison is compromised by the different barrel/slide lengths.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@markevans658 Of course I know that. I was using what was available. I did say that I would love to get a 5" version to compare.

  • @andrewdo9722
    @andrewdo9722 2 месяца назад

    Springer is running their Prodigy chambers on the short size of SAAMI. Send it back to get reamed.

  • @ReconGunworX
    @ReconGunworX 2 месяца назад +1

    Good video brother👊🏾

  • @A_Sense_Of_Purpos3
    @A_Sense_Of_Purpos3 2 месяца назад +1

    I have yet to shoot a 2011, but they look really fun. Unfortunately my wallet cant afford them, any of the Staccato stuff at least

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад +1

      @@A_Sense_Of_Purpos3 Maybe try the Prodigy Comp or the Stealth Arms Platypus. The Platypus takes Glock mags and is super trendy right now. The prodigy comp 4.25" showed just a negligible difference from the XC which costs 3-4 times more, and I'm sure the 5" model is even better. At least for an introduction to 2011s these are awesome buys and not expensive

    • @A_Sense_Of_Purpos3
      @A_Sense_Of_Purpos3 2 месяца назад +1

      @@FiringLineShooting i appreciate the heads up, i will def check them out.

  • @The2AExperiment
    @The2AExperiment 2 месяца назад

    Another Banger. Everyone loves comparison vids, and this was a good one. It sucks having to shoot indoors. We are forced to most of the time. Great use of the slow motion too.
    It's nice to see your subs going up. Don't forget to ask for a sub, it helps. We always forget. Lol. We look forward to your next vid.

  • @LVbibby
    @LVbibby 2 месяца назад

    You could try the new Bul Spitefire open pistol or MPA sales their open pistol in the 4 to 5k range as well. Interesting video.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@LVbibby Ya I'm considering the DS9 Open if I don't get a Chaos here soon.

  • @SmallArmsFirearms
    @SmallArmsFirearms Месяц назад

    Hey man! Great content got a sub from me my friend!
    Not sure what your setup is and if you're looking to get more followers and my only suggestion right now would be to get an actual mic you can clip on you.
    It's worth it. Keep it up!

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  27 дней назад +1

      @@SmallArmsFirearms Thank you so much for your comment and your subscribe! I actually have gotten a mic since this video lol. It definitely helps a lot.

    • @SmallArmsFirearms
      @SmallArmsFirearms 26 дней назад

      @@FiringLineShooting yeah that’s such a small thing but helps immensely in quality. Keep it up brother

  • @mikef1949
    @mikef1949 2 месяца назад

    With another thousand bucks you can add a egw ignition kit, red dirt trigger, cheeley E2 grip and cheeley magwell. I would take that gun over a stock XC easily even if it wasn’t cheaper. Also I imagine bumping to the 5 inch will help it shoot a little flatter as well.
    You talk a little bit about the two guns in uspsa open division and mention you are out gunned. You’re missing the major point between those two guns and the true open guns you talked about like the ultimate racer. The main difference is the ability to shoot major ammo and get major scoring. That is where the biggest benefit of a true open gun comes from. Sure it will have a big gas pedal, frame mounted optic, bigger comps and popel holes but the major scoring is where you really become “outgunned”. If you want to shoot a staccato or prodigy in USPSA the smart thing to do is get an uncomped version and shoot limited optics where everyone scores minor.
    Interesting video thanks for posting.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@mikef1949 Correct

    • @daveh9551
      @daveh9551 2 месяца назад

      Might as well get a Stacatto at that point

    • @mikef1949
      @mikef1949 2 месяца назад +1

      I disagree fully. You’ll be into the prodigy about $2000 so about $500 less and you will have the best grip in the game a better trigger than the staccato and similar quality at that point.

  • @chrisgilbert2152
    @chrisgilbert2152 4 дня назад

    its notthe chamber, its the LEADE dim after the chamber. Its a ojive design of the bullet.

  • @curtisbailey7534
    @curtisbailey7534 2 месяца назад

    I picked up my 5” comp and was wondering what things I should change internal wise? I’m not planning on shooting USPSA with it because I already have a gun for that but I mainly just want to get it reliable enough to carry it. I haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet so I don’t know if I have a lemon or not but just incase what is the general community opinion on what changes need to be made?

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@curtisbailey7534 tuning the recoil system (rod/ springs) is the primary thing that will make a difference from what I have heard from others.

  • @Thomas-vt7cz
    @Thomas-vt7cz 2 месяца назад

    Good job bruh!!! Is the Prodigy a 5" with a comp or 4.25 with a comp? And is the Prodigy comp released for sale or is it an after market comp? 😎

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад +1

      @@Thomas-vt7cz The prodigy comp is actually a chunk ported barrel. Yes it is available in stores now. We used a 4.25, because that's what we could get our hands on. I would also love to try a 5" one when we can

    • @Thomas-vt7cz
      @Thomas-vt7cz 2 месяца назад

      @@FiringLineShooting Thank you my man..! 😎

  • @macsconi
    @macsconi 2 месяца назад

    This was awesome…

  • @chrisgilbert2152
    @chrisgilbert2152 Месяц назад

    Im a Staccato shooter, i shoot 4 to 5 matches a month. You are correct, the XC is not competitive in the USPSA world.
    Its a great IDPA gun. That said, in my opinion theres NO WAY an IDPA guy could justify spending more than three times the money on the XC!! The Staccato fanboys are screaming... THE PRODIGY HAS MIM PARTS! Which proves their ignorance!

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  Месяц назад

      @@chrisgilbert2152 What division would the XC work in for IDPA?

    • @chrisgilbert2152
      @chrisgilbert2152 Месяц назад

      A couple, carry optics, ​@@FiringLineShooting

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  Месяц назад

      @@chrisgilbert2152 The XC is legal for IDPA carry Optics!?

  • @takemyshoesoff3350
    @takemyshoesoff3350 Месяц назад

    Blazer 115's shouldn't be shot out of comped barrels. It says so right on the box

  • @treemerc101
    @treemerc101 2 месяца назад

    There is no way these 2 guns are comparable

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@treemerc101 What makes you say that? Have you tried them both?

    • @treemerc101
      @treemerc101 2 месяца назад

      @FiringLineShooting i guess an immediate assumption. I have the staccato p and i have shot the springfield prodigy and those are not on the the same level.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад +1

      @@treemerc101 That's fair. I will say the ported barrel/ built in comp was very well done on the prodigy. It absolutely makes it "comparable" to the XC. Is it as good as the XC? No... But I was very surprised as how nice it felt and how flat the gun stayed. Enough to make you think, "Do I really want to drop 3 more Gs for a slight improvement?"

    • @treemerc101
      @treemerc101 2 месяца назад

      @FiringLineShooting definitely an informative video. Looking at the Prodigy comp for my Son and wanted some more insight before purchasing. Your video is appreciated for sure.

    • @zarinkai2927
      @zarinkai2927 Месяц назад

      It is , you're just in denial you're 2.5k gun is not better than a 1.5k gun

  • @brettskinner5824
    @brettskinner5824 2 месяца назад

    It’s crap we can’t get the barrel and slide when we already own a prodigy

  • @VenableRacing
    @VenableRacing 28 дней назад +1

    To many people have drank the Staccato Kool-Aid…. Yes I own an XC, XL Limited Island Barrel and a P… definitely good guns.. but not the best . I have ported and comp’d upgraded Prodigy’s that shoot just as good or better than my Staccato’s.. the fan boys are not interested in hearing anything that suggests their Staccato isn’t the best…

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  27 дней назад +1

      @@VenableRacing Thanks for the comment! And thanks for watching

    • @cameronmills3414
      @cameronmills3414 27 дней назад

      Good cuz I just bought the 5" comp today. What have you upgraded to it? Or you saying the comp is the upgraded version?

    • @VenableRacing
      @VenableRacing 27 дней назад

      @@cameronmills3414 , All my Prodigy’s have EGW ignition kit and Atlas Triggers. I have one with a DSC compensated barrel, another with Impact Machine Inline top ports, another with Race City Defense Inline RC 9 Top Ports, Another with DSC V8 ports, another with Cosaint Arms V10 ports and another with Cosaint Arms V12 ports… I have the new Prodigy Comp arriving next week, I will do Accuracy and Chronograph testing as it comes stock and then if needed decide on the best upgrade package for it.

    • @cameronmills3414
      @cameronmills3414 27 дней назад +1

      ​@VenableRacing hahah holy shit that's alot of prodigies

    • @VenableRacing
      @VenableRacing 17 дней назад

      @@cameronmills3414 just posted Prodigy video on my RUclips channel.. featuring 5 different Prodigy’s

  • @ValkyrieActual141
    @ValkyrieActual141 10 дней назад

    Before I even start this video, you're comparing a 1300 dollar gun to a 4400 dollar gun, so let's just clear that up. Secondly, that model Prodigy is like a carry/duty gun. Why the hell are you comparing a full blown race gun that's hand fitted to a 4.25 Springfield.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  10 дней назад

      @@ValkyrieActual141 Why in the world would you comment on a video without watching the video? The price difference was the entire point of making the video.

    • @ValkyrieActual141
      @ValkyrieActual141 10 дней назад

      @@FiringLineShooting Yet it's a pointless video. Compare the 4in C model to it, or compare the P to it even, but a XC dude? Like what is even the point of this. There is ZERO comparison to be had here.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  10 дней назад

      @@ValkyrieActual141 What in the world are you talking about. The XC is absolutely the closest option to compare this too. The C and P aren't even comped or ported

    • @ValkyrieActual141
      @ValkyrieActual141 10 дней назад

      @FiringLineShooting It doesn't matter? They're not competition pistols, and the port on the Prodigy is next to useless. I've personally handled both the ported and non-ported, and there's a near negligible difference. Like we're talking about a maybe 10% felt reduction. The XC is 10 miles above any Prodigy, comped or not.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  10 дней назад

      @@ValkyrieActual141 That's just not true. And neither the XC nor the Prodigy Comp is an ideal competition gun.

  • @chrisgilbert2152
    @chrisgilbert2152 Месяц назад

    plated and or coated bullets should NOT be shot out of ported or comped guns! Springfield is known for its horrible LEADE dimensions.

  • @christopherbaten5459
    @christopherbaten5459 2 месяца назад

    I have issues with the coated/synthetic rounds in all of my ported guns. Occasionally(1 out of 10) the projectile tumbles leaving the barrel.

    • @FiringLineShooting
      @FiringLineShooting  2 месяца назад

      @@christopherbaten5459 That's very odd. Pretty much all I shoot is ported stuff and I've never seen those issues.

    • @christopherbaten5459
      @christopherbaten5459 2 месяца назад

      QVO Tactical recently did a video on a Bul Armory that was having issues with plated ammunition. Some of the ammunition even prints a warning on the box that says not for use in ported guns. So you’re lucky.